Oh does it lose the block value when it isn't in defensive mode?
#protection
nimble laurel
jagged pier
Oh does it lose the block value when it isn't in defensive mode?
yes
u should not ever be venthyr as prot
jagged pier
well u can do that
and i was using it like that for like the first week
now its just been in defensve mode for like 2 weeks
👍
nimble laurel
Pretty sure it's lit for m+
hardy ridge
its like 2.5ppm right
might be good for raid too no?
I feel like you need double on use for higher keys in m+
plush tendon
Has anyone experimented with Codex?
not great; better trinkets for us then Codex
hardy ridge
not great; better trinkets for us then Codex
yeah?
plush tendon
better off with a OWS or another stat plus BSS/Aegis
hardy ridge
better off with a OWS or another stat plus BSS/Aegis
don't have 259 ows unofrunately
plush tendon
I guess the best place to look at codex is its ok, just nothing special and will be replaced by other stuff
hardy ridge
looking for a good passive trinket to go along with the on use in raid
plush tendon
don't have 259 ows unofrunately
246 one works
plush tendon
well, later in the tier, I bet people will be running mythic sylv runs
considering with all the extra damage, should be very easy
since all strenth classes+rogues still need stuff off her
jagged pier
Has anyone experimented with Codex?
defensively its better than RDM but it will do no damage for us
sweet summit
it's extremely underwhelming 
plush tendon
I did actually get to play some prot yesterday; thought our tier set would be 'underwhelming'. Was happily surprised 🙂 was super fun to play with
waxen orbit
It’s fun for sure
plush tendon
So much rage, so much fun
waxen orbit
Way more fun in raid than in M+ but that’s prolly just because you can afford to be more goofy in raid
waxen orbit
Side note
Tfw you would have timed a 20 ToP but when you hit Shield Wall for a Reaping Scythe (SR was on CD), it takes 5 seconds for the cast to go through despite playing on 70 home ping (???) and then it refunds your cast and you die from Scythe because of the game shitting itself
AAA company coding
jagged pier
its the anduin lag that i dont like
deft hinge
in Gambit, people on disc trying to warn about fishsticks fast is just hillarious
chrome falcon
@waxen orbit We nearly timed a 20 streets but the Shuri circle spawned directly on top of the only portal we had access to and there was nothing we could do to survive 
sweet summit
i just made a huge cast bar weak aura for fish sticks
makes sound too
and just press shockwave
austere forum
Looks like I might be raid tanking to replace our MT. We’re on normal Andi -atm. Are the guides in pins up to date?
sweet summit
sweet summit
Looks like I might be raid tanking to replace our MT. We’re on normal Andi -atm...
yessir
mighty valley
biggest normal anduin tip is the downstairs teams actually need to do good
if you're like "wow the intermissions are really fucking us up" people aren't getting the bar filled
sweet summit
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safe thistle
you can spell reflect the reaping scythe too
sweet summit
not every single one
safe thistle
yah one out of 2
other need defensive
normally i keep sw for when its the one during the suction
waxen orbit
<@!203999248931356673> We nearly timed a 20 streets but the Shuri circle spawned...
Sounds about Blizz
rapid bluff
Hey, I am trying to help my guild warrior tank and wanted to know what is the ideal uptime for shield block/ignore pain on a tank and spank boss. What other things are typical mistakes that we can check for and fix?
dawn canyon
Also put in a log here
rapid bluff
yep
urban portal
What's he dying to
Random melees, tank hit, or something else
Tanks should never die to random melees
chilly brook
Hey, I am trying to help my guild warrior tank and wanted to know what is the id...
Like mentioned shield block uptime is a generally useless metric
We need logs or gameplay to be able to really tell you valuable information
craggy pilot
is LFR tier set better than 278? 🤔 thinking for my alts where im not gonna raid a lot
mighty valley
4pc worth a whole whole lotta ilvls
sweet summit
lfr tier > no tier
mighty valley
but also your slow alts will eventually be able to turn 278s into tier
craggy pilot
while also doing vaults
craggy pilot
but also your slow alts will eventually be able to turn 278s into tier
ye tru
rapid bluff
What's he dying to
mostly big attacks from boss, example riftmaw > rend on skolex
urban portal
Then he needs to assign CDs for himself
cinder pasture
Riftmaw can be spell reflected
rapid bluff
Like mentioned shield block uptime is a generally useless metric
what about ignore pain? assuming he can use more surv, shud ignore pain be close to 100% or not really?
sweet summit
Riftmaw can be spell reflected
only on normal
cinder pasture
Oh right 😅
chilly brook
what about ignore pain? assuming he can use more surv, shud ignore pain be close...
Ignore pain is a meme
It doesn’t last long enough to even be close to 100% uptime
safe thistle
IP is for paddinng healing
chilly brook
Nor does it do enough to even warrant pumping enough rage into it to try
Honestly
Just link us logs
rapid bluff
fair enuf, that helps 🙂 will link logs too for more help
urban portal
Assign himself shield wall, shout, etc
Id imagine you can get away with a big tank hit with just shout and 2 ignore pains
safe thistle
not really on skolex
urban portal
If he can't he needs to call for externals
It's his job to call for it not healers job to figure out when he needs it
ancient reef
to unlock the unity belt do i need to do quest in zentis on each toon or one toon
dawn canyon
Yes
ancient reef
which is faster for an alt
ancient reef
i came back like a week ago so im doing shit from nottin
dawn canyon
U wanna do campaign
ancient reef
yeah i mailed the shit to make a 6 already to the alt
dawn canyon
And go do the world quests
Until revered so u can put it in better slots
To my understanding
mighty valley
yeah you'll only use the belt until you've got 4pc from everything but your best legendary slot
ancient reef
fuck i hate rep grinds for shit i just wanna pvp on a few toons
mighty valley
for us we're gonna craft it on head ideally
if you just care about pvp doing the story chapters will get you double legendary quickest
scenic mural
Im going to be revered next week doong only patterns and world quests 3 days out of the week. Not really a rep grind
sturdy sable
Im already revered and ive only been doing dailies the weekly and the odd rare
scenic mural
Yeah this is literally the least grindy patch weve had in a long time.
mighty valley
you don't understand. no one should have to play the game to get all the stuff
i should simply be able to be fully geared without doing anything, for no reason
scenic mural
oblique garnet
Ignore pain is a meme
This is not true if you have the set
chilly brook
This is not true if you have the set
In what regards?
Like you still use it to not cap
oblique garnet
You will kinda have to spam it
chilly brook
And you use it to help smooth damage if intake is high
But it's not a "fix"
Like a lot of people think
oblique garnet
Because youre generating way too much rage to just dump into revenge
oblique garnet
Its honestly pretty great
chilly brook
But it's not a form of mitigation that magically fixes mistakes or damage intake
chilly brook
That's what I mean by "it's a meme"
Because people have some sort of idea that you're using it as a magic form of mitigation that fixes issues that usually are not using CDs or not blocking
sweet summit
hardly dropping below 90% in keys now
ye ur actually immortal
unless you just
hard afk
also
do u have any logs
of nf keys
sweet summit
oblique garnet
Ive been mostly playing kyrian in the recent dungeons ive done just because i cba swapping covenant everytime between raid and m+ and then coming to ZM to change conduits
oblique garnet
<:deadge:900279927138578432>
Also find me a group and ill tank keys rn
unkempt trout
what cov is best for keys
lofty widget
mighty valley
turns out 50% DR is actually pretty good if you have to mash it constantly to avoid overcap
sturdy sable
Who woulda thunk
mighty valley
it's true that new warriors overprioritize
and run themselves dry
but "it's a meme" makes it sound like you shouldn't press it/it doesn't do anything
unkempt trout
is there like an "ideal" m+ opener, i feel like i get trucked by any magic damage
should i just spam ignore pain
unkempt trout
well keeping up sb
waxen orbit
Spell reflect if you're getting hit by magic damage
Kick bolts after SR is down
Spam revenge
Shield slam when low on rage
IP when you're getting hit really hard
unkempt trout
why revenge over ip if i'm getting trucked
waxen orbit
You can spam IP
But if you're getting trucked in the opener and you immediately dump all rage into IP
Sounds like you're either not having SB up, getting hit in the side/back, not using other CDs to mitigate, or your healer is AFK
What keys are you getting trucked in the beginning of a pull?
unkempt trout
it was mainly last week on fort
waxen orbit
And what level of key and what's your gear look like?
unkempt trout
but like dos
waxen orbit
First pull on DOS you should always use Shield Wall in that opener or when shit gets hairy
And spell reflect first Shadowcore
Kick second
unkempt trout
waxen orbit
And have DPS rotate kicks accordingly
waxen orbit
Yeah you have 4 set you shouldn't be having any issues
Uh why ascended vigor?
It's a separate thing but why that and not CG?
waxen orbit
Overkill
Go CG or sin rev
What in particular was trucking you at first in the DOS? Scribe casts? Shadowcore?
Because the Scribe casts shouldn't hurt that much, and if you ever get hit by a shadowcore, that's a misplay on the team's part
unkempt trout
think it was just scribes
lofty widget
scribes hurt if theyre just getting shotgunned with no cc
unkempt trout
are there m+ streams for prot warrs
mellow bridge
first pull is probably bonestrikes
no cast time instant huge magic dmg hit from the bonesoldiers
that's why you need a defensive there when you go in
and consider kiting after they are down if it's a hard pull for you
unkempt trout
so just pre shield wall pretty much
strong forum
it only has 1y range
so if you keep on slightly on the move
you can avoid them casting it
mellow bridge
hope frost mage is meta again for stuff like that
safe thistle
de other side is all about death speaker on those pulls
death embrace not kicked and you get a scribe that 1 shot you
its very painful with group that doesnt kick, i know it !! 😛
mellow bridge
deaths embrace shouldnt be an issue really
scribes dont even cast if youre not in melee range btw
it's all about shadowcores + bonestrikes
waxen orbit
^
primal cape
i always go in with a stun and 1st kick on shadowcore, then i get a juicy reflect
quaint glade
Can someone please help me out, do I just need streets to be done in 15+ or may I somehow avoid it?
For kms
chrome falcon
i mean you could avoid it by doing literally everything else on a 17 or something but you're not avoiding streets altogether
it's very heavily nerfed at this point though
quaint glade
I keep getting gambit, not the streets, so I cannot even get an inv 😅
scenic mural
Streets is pretty cake atm outside of the last boss being an rng nightmare
chrome falcon
last boss is rancid
flip a coin to see if you get an impossible shuri
or if your portals are going to keep moving DURING shuri
scenic mural
They pretty much erased one of hylbrandes mechanics, the shuris could definitely be toned down
waxen orbit
Hylbrande is Gambit
teal swift
dawn canyon
so happy we moved away
raven hatch
is vulpera strong for m+?
dawn canyon
is cute
halcyon current
hey guys, what is the best slot for unity? I have reprisal on boots and the wall on cape
mighty valley
ultimately helm when you get all tier
can stick with the free belt for a while though
scenic mural
Hylbrande is Gambit
I know. Im talking about how last boss of streets could use changes similar to how hylbrande got changed
waxen orbit
Ohhhhh okay sorry I completely misread that
Yeah, you're totally right on that one man. Zo'azmi or whatever their name is definitely needs a tweak
mighty valley
God I haven't even done a taz key since the nightmare first week
sinful fern
When we are talking haste what is the best percentage to aim for?
mighty valley
More haste is pretty much always good until like... 40% is too much
there aren't any breakpoints, I'd say the spec starts to "feel" alright around 20%
dark lark
When we are talking haste what is the best percentage to aim for?
Just keep getting more. More haste = more rage = more defensive/offensive opportunity
sand pebble
When we are talking haste what is the best percentage to aim for?
I was running 30-32% and it felt nice, recently dropped ows and changed gear to 36% haste and it feels amazing
spring heart
scenic mural
I wish ticking sack was on the prot loot table.
waxen orbit
Yea it’d be nice to have it pop up in the vault without going arms loot spec and risking not getting a good tank option if sack doesn’t appear
scenic mural
I wonder how they decide because theres other trinkets that only provide offense that are on the prot table
median tulip
If you wear Unity and a directly crafted Cov legendary, will you get double the effect?
scenic mural
no
sick sentinel
just simming myself for single target and signet coming up on top is that right?
jagged pier
🤷 could be
but @strong forum and @ionic fern have been working on it recently
signet might be highest dps might not be ither way its a terrible leggo for us
deft hinge
the crit gained from Kleias tree feels so fake when u`re not getting parry from it
sick sentinel
im trolling I thought this was the fury channel lmao
lime urchin
Burn it!
tawny karma
hi guys does anyone know if there is a wee list of the bis trinkets for prot?
blazing condor
Depends what you wanna do tbh. But generally its Scale/Aegis/OWS/Phial/Ticking sack/RDM/Codex
You can choose a lot depending one what you tryna do
ancient hedge
is the xymox tank trinket a viable replacement for scale? is there a big difference in damage/shield value when you compare the 1min cd of riftshard compared to 2min cd of scale?
lime urchin
I am still deeply in love with mah LFR Aegis
jagged pier
it is not viable
ancient hedge
it is not viable
👍
ancient hedge
thats a bummer
sweet summit
:notokayge:
mental scarab
Dont wonna switch out matrix and aegis 🤥
naive mauve
BiS Trinkets for prot warri still scale and the tazavesh trinket?
lime urchin
Describe bis
blazing condor
best in slot 🙂
maiden ravine
I'm hyped for reprisal and necrolord leggo next week.
blazing condor
bis varies depending on the content you do
blazing condor
yeah im kidding
lime urchin
blazing condor
you wanna just stay alive and go full turtle in raids? different trinket than if you wanna have bis for parses
sweet summit
kyrian gang 
blazing condor
📆 
dawn canyon
📆
chilly brook
forever imprisoned
late wasp
I'm looking at the wowhead SFO prot tanking guide and wonder if there's something better out there, or a way to get some more specific recommendations into that guide. For example, Vigilant Guardian's Split resolution shouldn't be avoided but reflected. Same for Skolex's Riftmaw should be reflected at a bare minimum to avoid getting absolutely chunked.
I'm nothing special, just someone mediocre trying to do better things in my raid but I feel like some of the documentation out there for prot warriors is incomplete
late wasp
I know for reflects, that's where I've been getting a lot of that stuff, but aside from Reflect, there could be some other things that would make tanking some of these fights a little cleaner
chilly brook
Like?
sweet summit
tank notes is usually the go to for that
tame jasper
I'm looking at the wowhead SFO prot tanking guide and wonder if there's somethin...
spellreflect sheet?
late wasp
Yes yes, I know both of my examples focus on reflect, but I see a lot of tanks separating for parts of Skolex but then stacking up for others, I think that has to do with the rend frontal cones but that detail isn't in a lot of the guides to stack for the two hit melee but not for the separation on the rend
sweet summit
the guides are for the spec
here are better in depth fight guides, with notes for all tanks
late wasp
Ahh the in depth notes weren't in place the last few times I checked here, but the general guides were, thanks @sweet summit
Can you pin the tanknotes along with the icy veins and wowhead guides?
ionic fern
Can you pin the tanknotes along with the icy veins and wowhead guides?
Literally the FAQ.
late wasp
I was looking in the pins for the channels which also includes a series of guide
s
sorry
chilly brook
oblique garnet
@sweet summit This tier is nothing but pain
chilly brook
I also thought specifically stacking and then splitting on Skolex was just the basic guide stuff
For all tanks
oblique garnet
I have never done this degenerate splits so far into mythic week
chilly brook
Late are you raiding as prot or fury?
jagged pier
<@!165864577760755712> This tier is nothing but pain
i like my fingers being in pain after 5 mins of playing
even changed my IP bind to something easy to press
oblique garnet
Yikes
winged gust
hi mates, you already thought which slot 2. lego will be for you? I mean prices are starting to rise im thinking of buying now, but im really not sure. Have Chest hands and legs as tier.
and reprisal feet
lofty widget
belt short term helmet long term
winged gust
there was one of the 5 tier items with awful stats wasnt it?
oblique garnet
Helm has one of the better stats but legendary ilvl on headpiece is just most stats on anything
sweet summit
<@!165864577760755712> This tier is nothing but pain
did u not get it
maiden ravine
I wish instead of making us equip tier gear, they'd just make seasonal effects to specs that they say go away. I've been spoiled by other games not locking massive kit stuff behind loot rng
Time gate if you must but bleh. 20-30% of a spec shouldn't be tied to loot haha.
oblique garnet
I mean its time gated but also not time gated
You can force 4 sets with enough characters
Which makes it extremely cringe
sturdy sable
Time gate if you must but bleh. 20-30% of a spec shouldn't be tied to loot haha.
But like... All extra player power is tied to loot
oblique garnet
its the basic principle of mmos
Where you build up your own character
Instead of just choosing a template
maiden ravine
I feel like things that change rotations or other priorities at the level of tier set bonuses need to be divorced from gear rng. Let gear just be stats.
Or be earned deterministically by everyone at the same rate
And the building your character thing goes out the window when everyone gets the same bonus and all that changes it how lucky you get it faster
summer breach
Claw of Molten Fury. Would someone help me understand why a Prot warrior would want that as there MH for tanking?
distant crystal
i think tier is kinda fine as it is. it's only rng at the very beginning but we'll all have it
@summer breach #vanilla-discussion ?
summer breach
didn't see that. thanks
distant crystal
i think there's a better classic warrior discord actually
but someone in that chan prob knows the link
summer breach
The other channel I found doesn't seem very active.
royal marten
For the raid, what's the major disparity between prot warrior and paladin? Debating on pivoting
oblique garnet
For the raid, what's the major disparity between prot warrior and paladin? Debat...
Prot paladin does more damage, heals the group and has an immunity
We have rally
safe thistle
Heal the group with what ? Most prot pal I see doesn't even heal themselves.
sturdy sable
And juuuust enough burrowed power to not be trashcan
safe thistle
Full of reroll onprot pal on my healer when I Pug I dont take pally tank
sturdy sable
Yeah fotm tank classes are best avoided
If you see a staunch non meta spec they are often good players
oblique garnet
M+ prot warrior however is really fun and good
safe thistle
At least warrior with beacon I don't even need to focus heal them
oblique garnet
Its not a guardian druid but nothing really is
safe thistle
Skill > classes
But on tazabesh I tanked on my holy pally once as prot and it's ridiculous for street how you can pull so easily with the shield silence
oblique garnet
Have you gone left side
60% count nothing is dangerous
dont have to worry about any casters
safe thistle
I prefer top for lust timing
maiden ravine
I mean after dominating bfa, warrior feels fine. Not like how it was at the start of 9.0.
safe thistle
I prefer top for lust timing
sweet summit
huh?
blazing condor
top is sloppy
oblique garnet
Ra spear
sweet summit
same
oblique garnet
Fury is just so much nicer and you dont have to worry about survival or if you are getting any heals
chilly brook
Fury is just so much nicer and you dont have to worry about survival or if you a...
Big facts
If I had played arms last night on Andy I would have died every single downstairs phase
Healers straight slackin
sweet summit
maybe don't stand in swirly 
chilly brook
Pretty sure I was like lowest in damage taken
oblique garnet
If you have dot on you its always healthpot hs inside
chilly brook
Just get hella close to ticking during that phase
Every time
Enraged Regen is clutch
safe thistle
As a healer on Andy I don't heal dps during add to heal unless your close to die not supposed to take DMG during that phase and your topped before going down
Anyway taking swirly = DMG/healing reduction
You might have healer struggling
oblique garnet
As a healer on Andy I don't heal dps during add to heal unless your close to die...
You have dots on people in the inside group so its unavoidable damage
safe thistle
They fade during that phase of they are topped they will come out with around 50ish percent life
I do it in a 10 man group so only 1 healer down
2/3/6
chilly brook
As a healer on Andy I don't heal dps during add to heal unless your close to die...
You tick naturally down there
It’s not avoidable
safe thistle
Shadow world Pain Fade
Normal DMG won't bring you down much until the 4 adds are healed and we get on group. But anyway when I divine toll some goes on group, so I guess you just have healer struggling
west walrus
I am invited to replace someone playing BrM as an alt spec
On the Discord, there is a discussion about how bad prot warr is
They dont know yet 👀
blazing condor
go in there and show them how right they are 😎
chilly brook
Normal DMG won't bring you down much until the 4 adds are healed and we get on g...
This is true if you’re in the first group
2nd group actually needs healing
As per my healing friend
oblique garnet
Honestly warrior is fine in raid
Needs way more effort to shine
Idk how it fares in mythic since my tanking experience this tier has been limited to just tanking hc split
oblique garnet
I took less damage than monk needed less healing and damage output was bit lower than his but thats with fury conduits
So some dps gain from there
jagged pier
not really our conduits do nothing
like .1% gain
i guess slightly higher now
maybe .5%
oblique garnet
not really our conduits do nothing
I mean yeah but hack and slash + doi do literally nothing
jagged pier
true
craggy pilot
anyone following RWF who knows whats happening currently?
sounds like Echo just popped Vantus on Rygelon? 🤔
mighty valley
i'm only really following liquid who have decided they need more priests and need to gear them
cold zealot
Any tips for Lords of dread?
jagged pier
dont die
sweet summit
📮
blazing condor
dont be sussy
cold zealot
okay^^ i guess il just spam revenge... like a true prot warrior. If i die i blame tuning or lag or sth.
undone verge
Like a true raid prot warrior I was told to swap to fury in place of a BDK and a BM Monk
arctic bone
Haste, vers still our best stats for legendarys correct?
sweet summit
ye
arctic bone
thank you 🙂
nimble laurel
Are y'all moving Reprisal to boots to make room for tier on legs? Or waiting to see what tier you get?
tender tulip
i bit the bullet and took it on boots
sweet summit
defo go for boots
nimble laurel
Thinking about doing the same before I upgrade pants to 291
tender tulip
then i think gonna get unity on belt
nimble laurel
Going to put unity on bracers just in case I need enduring blow for arms
tender tulip
fuck arms 😛 fury all the way
nimble laurel
You never know
tender tulip
anybody know about the codex of the first technique vs protoforge?
i'm assuming, protoforge is better for just healing
chrome falcon
protoforge is awful, codex is just mediocre
tender tulip
really? i've been getting some biggo healing from the protoforge tbf
but it is purely defencive
chrome falcon
depends what you want it for really
maiden ravine
you know, it actually felt really good to pop banner right as a balance druid convoked on ingra maloch. 😄
safe thistle
hmmm normally i put stam/leech on cloak but seems ppl talk about stam/avoidance now is it just for raid though
mellow bridge
Leech gains more value in m+, avoidance more in raid usually
But either one barely matters
sturdy sable
Lol the stat difference is so minor youll never notice
safe thistle
and it says on wowhead to put unity on a ring but if i dont go far in mythic raiding the most impactful would be what
ashen scaffold
anyone have WA for spell reflectables from SFO
median tulip
Going to put unity on bracers just in case I need enduring blow for arms
You really want a second Unity for your DPS spec with the correct stats on it
cinder nova
From?
mighty valley
Regret skipping the story on alts
sick sentinel
how much vers should I be aiming for on prot?
mighty valley
any amount is fine
chrome falcon
can we leap over the rings on dausegne i really don't want to get NF renown
oblique garnet
can we leap over the rings on dausegne i really don't want to get NF renown
No
It is truly unfortunate
You can technically run out but its not ideal for the raid comp
oblique garnet
Yup
chrome falcon
it's kinda interesting that the covenant system lets blizz design fights around the idea of everyone having a blink
but also, like, fuck off
just change the name to heroic slide because apparently our legs are too puny to actually jump over anything
sick sentinel
Heroic hop
waxen orbit
HOLY FUCK HE'S BACK
Is necro worth with 2pc or just 4pc?
I'm assuming with 4pc
(For raid)
Also I finally got 2pc after full normal clearing and fucking 5/8 h clearing since week 1 and full 278 M+ vaulting :))))
Fucking about time
civic torrent
Think necro aint too worth till double lego 4pc
latent pier
So halls 15+ in particular really kicks my ass. Is there anything I can do if the kicks aren't on point with obliterators?
DoT on last boss kinda rips a hole through me too. I didn't start tanking in s2 until I was already overgeared, so kinda readjusting.
mighty valley
Ideally kicks are good but you can take storm bolt for an extra personal way to stop a wicked bolt
The final boss dot ramps up in damage so save a CD for the end of it, don't just pop something on cast
broken stratus
So halls 15+ in particular really kicks my ass. Is there anything I can do if th...
the first shard on left and the shard on the right have los point. i do that when i am out of defensive and kicks from gorup
cinder nova
You can also just segregate your pulls in a way that keeps you from being overburdened with more than one caster without passing up too much % for chonky pulls.
urban portal
Is necro worth with 2pc or just 4pc?
feel like double leggo 2 piece is ok
lilac bloom
any advice on jailer.. that thing i used to do to hit the pillar.. its big damage dot
not sure spell reflect work i tried that
lime urchin
DoT on last boss kinda rips a hole through me too. I didn't start tanking in s2 ...
Spell reflect the soul crusher, it’s tricky timing
latent pier
isn't that muehzalah?
I didn't really have a problem with him, but that's good to know.
lime urchin
Oh I misread sorry
mighty valley
muehzalah casts soulcrusher at 100 energy, so you can prep for it, don't need to have the 0.5s reaction time
lime urchin
Ah yes ofcourse
sand pebble
Necro prot any good for buffing 4pc hunter pulling 60k on aoe?
urban portal
Mastery is a dps down for hunters
lime urchin
How does that work?
urban portal
Mm hunter gets more range from mastery
So if you banner on pull you bait them into standing further
So when it runs out they are out of range
jagged pier
banner is a personal cd now
mighty valley
i was just doing a silly little goof, like yes giving a buff to someone doing good damage will be good and not bad, seems obvious
tame jasper
These are my current stats with almost just upgrading ilvl due M+/Raid with primary focus on "Haste" as secondary stats. But as you see "Mastery" is my highest and "Versa" is quite low. Shall I push even more into Haste or focus on Versa now? Going into 20ties again next week I think and then push this seasons as far as I can get. Last Season I started to push late and only got into 23/24es with full focus on Hase (enchants, Gems etc)
mighty valley
Don’t stress, haste still good, play >>>>>> stats
Would be nice to have a little more vers if you push really really high but for where you’re at you look fine
blazing condor
stats are fine
as long as you got your highest main stats equipped then it doesn't really matter that much
especially when you already got high haste
strong forum
with tierset haste will become even more important than it already is
blazing condor
Starcraft players
trim bay
is sigil good or bad
strong forum
Very good for dmg
If you can pair it well with CDs
Or in a short fight, hold it for execute
uncut notch
is sigil good or bad
Is this the phial of serenity and 1500 versa thing? Picked it up last night as prot and wasnt really sure when id use it - 5 min CD is loooooong too.
Also - the spear lego has been my go to for dps boosts when doing lower keys that i dont need reprisal for. Which other damage lego should i make? I quite like the idea of Avatar casting Reck but bladestorm is extremely annoying when it procs in torghast...
Maybe leaper for the pure hilarity........
ionic fern
Also - the spear lego has been my go to for dps boosts when doing lower keys tha...
Seismic is the go-to DPS legendary for m+.
ionic fern
Is this the phial of serenity and 1500 versa thing? Picked it up last night as p...
Yes, but it slaps in Execute phase.
uncut notch
Yes, but it slaps in Execute phase.
I currently run Scale and Ticking sack - worth dropping one of those for?
craggy pilot
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-sl-3/all/world/leaderboards-strict#role=tank:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=15:maxMythicLevel=99
wow only 5% of 15+ keys is Prot Warr 😮
sweet summit
mighty cairn
don't look at +20s
mighty cairn
chilling right under sense 😎
ionic fern
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-sl-3/all/world/leaderboards-strict...
Know why? Because people get declined due to "HURRDURR PROT WARR BAD".
I honestly can't remember a time when i've gotten declined so much as i have recently.
😂
craggy pilot
yea same
dawn canyon
Declining tanks 
west walrus
I'm far less declined this season than S2
craggy pilot
sense has been uploading some nice key runnings lately, nice to watch!
sense uploading keys 😮
west walrus
But, as ilvl is increasing, people are more and more asking for 4P to do 19s x)
So It will end up like S2 😂
upper flame
Feels good to be among the ones who actually try prot war in high-ish keys 👼
west walrus
When I see how 19s were oblitarated wednesday... without any part x)
sweet summit
who the hell has 4 piece alrdy
craggy pilot
my guild stuck on Anduin normal 🤦
we prog tonight for 3hrs, hoping we can get 1-2 bosses for some more tier chances
ionic fern
<:ratge:890357732543168594>
sweet summit
craggy pilot
i did clear anduin last week
will try to clear with guild, then pug after / tomorrow
killing anduin and filling my 3rd vault option is how i finally got 2 piece 😄
rugged mural
anyone have a good tactic of handling stars in P1 of Anduin? 🤔
On normal, tank Anduin slightly off center facing away from center. Have whole raid stand in front of him (yes, melee will get parried). Run stars straight through him and behind him. Move through him or otherwise out of the cone for downstairs if you’re not in that group.
tropic linden
gotta respec
craggy pilot
On normal, tank Anduin slightly off center facing away from center. Have whole r...
ye ok, was also what i thought
i usually see people playing tank sin front, dps behind, and stars to the sides
but some of my guild are literally saying "stars should just move back, and people should move out of the way" 🤣
ionic fern
Looks like we are C tier folks
😂
sick sentinel
Looks like we are C tier folks
Always have been in sl
sick sentinel
Nothing changed lol, we were c last time
sick sentinel
I personally gave up after trying lfr and the adds on bridge phase sylvannasa if you charge them you run and fall off like a God damn looney tunes cartoon
ionic fern
Sounds like a 'you' problem.
sick sentinel
And that was the point for me where it's like okay this is rigged against me
craggy pilot
damn, Mwahi being savage today 😄
jagged pier
as someone who literally did sylvannas every week charge did not make u fall off the bridge
rugged mural
As a DPS, charge pathing on jailer has been pretty hilarious too. You don’t fall in holes, but you sure do make fun shapes.
jagged pier
thats is 100% player error
sick sentinel
I don't really have the problem anymore though cuz I uninstalled and unsubb for now
It'd be hard to say it's just one reason or event but more like 1000
And I just can't give a fuck anymore
craggy pilot
sick sentinel
Also blizzard stealing tatty milk is pretty wtf
ionic fern
99% of the things you complained about were your own gameplay problems.
We provided you with a TON of information that you just full out ignored or responded with "i cba reading" just so you could complain about the exact same issue the next day and then blame it on the class.
sick sentinel
10.0 + waiting room
- for if trailer sucks or some other bad media come out then I'll just wait 10.2/3 - 11.0
ionic fern
Ok?
craggy pilot
The C in C tier stands for cant read
🤣
mellow bridge
that list is from subcreation no?
they just look at how many succesful runs a class has and how high those keys were
more popular classes will almost always be ranked higher automatically
sick sentinel
I'll let you guys in on a huge fucking secret
I don't do any mechanics in lost ark either..........
Only watch videos after I wipe 5 times
dawn canyon
Did you try elden Ring?
sick sentinel
Nope more like, dork souls 2, (someone called that and it stuck for me) after o got it for free on Xbox ds1 and got killed by the black knight jninstalled years prior
I've never been good at dark souls and the only souls like game I ever beaten was lords of the fallen which was shorter
dawn canyon
Yea i didnt get far in ds ill defo try it again
Not too well versed with the Controller tbh
sick sentinel
You can also swap from str to dex to int on the fly so I made it up to some 2 man boss as essentially rogue dex before I had to switch to str, then that made ret of game easy as hell
So OTE not comparable to ds
Cuz you can literal amge one ddx next str 3rd and no negatives
dawn canyon
Elden Ring looks p cool and has shields i wish wow had
sick sentinel
Not on the fly but out of combat on the bonfires,
Anyway that souls like game I beat wasn't too hard
Won't play Malden ring unless it's gifted to me, most likely
blissful pebble
Can anyone explain the logic of Unity recommended on head (once you have 5 tier pieces)?
Head piece is Haste Versa favouring Haste which is optimal for us not clear why would we replace it.
Why would we not craft on Chest (heavy mastery piece) or Legs (heavy crit piece) looking at the high budget pieces?
jagged pier
Can anyone explain the logic of Unity recommended on head (once you have 5 tier ...
its maximum amount of stats
and more stats > than less better stats
blissful pebble
its maximum amount of stats
You mean its maximum when we have all items in Mythic Raid in our bags?
Seems it should have that caveat the recommendation seems like it will be wrong for most players permanently and wrong even for people in the top 5% for months yet. Rygelon isn't even dead yet.
ripe mason
Well yeah it's always doable unless you're in a guild that's not even trying
jagged pier
You mean its maximum when we have all items in Mythic Raid in our bags?
Seems it...
how can this be less clear it doesnt matter what ilvl your pieces are, if your max raid is hc its still worth having it on helm as its still more stats than doing chest or shoulders, so u have the 3 highest stats piece as high as ilvl as possible
jagged pier
putting it anywhere else is omga stupid
blissful pebble
how can this be less clear it doesnt matter what ilvl your pieces are, if your m...
Except M+
blissful pebble
Ok so I get all my pieces from M+ all are 278 you are saying Helm is the best option?
ripe mason
U need to kill crab
Dw it's gonna get nerfed more probably
ripe mason
Ok so I get all my pieces from M+ all are 278 you are saying Helm is the best op...
Well 3 of your pieces will be 285 from last 3
jagged pier
Ok so I get all my pieces from M+ all are 278 you are saying Helm is the best op...
if your only going to do mythic+ then still helm, as its the same as putting it on shoulders or chest
like it doesnt matter then
blissful pebble
It does because I can choose the secondaries on my legendary I cant choose the secondaries on my tier.
jagged pier
its about strength
and shoulders helm and chest have the exact same stat budget
because from the raid the helm is less ilvl than both chest and shoulders
mellow bridge
he's asking about m+ tier only jakey
and in that case he'd be right to craft it on chest
sinc eall pieces are 278 then
for a slightly better stat distribution
jagged pier
its not
chest and helm are the same
it literally doesnt matter
like i said above
its the same
dawn canyon
Also Helm better tmog tbh
jagged pier
it doesnt matter
and u can farm when pieces u want form mythic + btw
becuase u can just make them later on
so u can target certain pieces and get the stats u want anyway
🤷
blissful pebble
When you convert an item to tier with the creation catalyst its secondaries are replaced with the tier secondaries. It will retain gem slots and tertiaries.
jagged pier
okay cool
it wil change helm to haste vers
👍
do what u want
complain to mwahi he wrote it
i cba
strong forum
BTW if you kill 2 mythic bosses, you have a chance of getting 285 tier pieces
Doesnt matter which bosses
;)
blissful pebble
So Chest piece will always have a boat load of mastery. So when mastery is our lowest prio stat why would we not replace it?
ripe mason
BTW if you kill 2 mythic bosses, you have a chance of getting 285 tier pieces
Don't you need to kill the boss themselves to have a chance at their loot? That's at least how it is with jailer wep
blissful pebble
BTW if you kill 2 mythic bosses, you have a chance of getting 285 tier pieces
This is true, although could be playing the slots for a while. I personally think it might be one to recraft a few times.
strong forum
Don't you need to kill the boss themselves to have a chance at their loot? That'...
Nop
Tier you can always drop
ripe mason
Interesting
strong forum
Doesn't matter if killed or not
blissful pebble
Don't you need to kill the boss themselves to have a chance at their loot? That'...
For anything else yes this is a new concession for this tier.
strong forum
That's how people already have 285 rygelon chest for example
ripe mason
Interesting, thanks.
sick sentinel
Regarding mythic + in 10 my opinion is remove normal and heroic mode dungeons, easy mode, hard mode and hard mode scaling, nothing about layouts or boss abilities change except interupts have longer cast bars on easy mode Anda full wipe on hard foes 80%+ to all on easy regardless of anything that isn't pally bubble
The newer players learning it then experience the dungeon exactly as they did on easy, except faster, because they don't feel compelled to take in scenary
jagged pier
this sounds like a forum topic not a prot topic
sick sentinel
I'd post on forums if I could, but if repition is the name of the game nothing can change ge at all..
jagged pier
its less likely to get changed if u post it in a discord that has no influence
in anything with the game
sick sentinel
I just have hopes that the game will get better, and if 10.0 seems okay I'll probably come back again , and guess what I'll play prot and probably do everything wrong again
Nothing ever xhanges
ionic fern
Nothing ever changes if you don't want to change.
🤷
Just don't complain about the class being bad.
sick sentinel
just kinda chilling here till the cinematic and then i'll decide future based on first viewing of it
languid smelt
I can't find a confirmation on this. If I craft Unity on a Ring Slot will it conflict with Signet if I use that in a ring slot for Fury? I an 99% sure that each ring slot is considered unique so it should work.
sweet summit
legendary rings are not unique equipped
languid smelt
Thank you.
ionic umbra
Is the trinket off the nine still bis for us this whole tier?
blazing condor
jagged pier
239 gunna be better in a lot of cases
lime urchin
I am still deeply in love with my LFR version
deft hinge
I just have hopes that the game will get better, and if 10.0 seems okay I'll pro...
if they add another tank class in 10.0 the meta-cycle will be even bigger and we can wait for the solarsystem to circle the galaxy before we gain meta status again
ionic fern
I don't want meta.
I just want people to stop being stupid and realise that every tank can do the majority of content.
Instead of "Weekly+15 10piece required with full mythic clear and 100 parse logs, only g druid".
It's literally just the community being ignorant af.
languid smelt
It's literally just the community being ignorant af.
Have you met people?
cinder dirge
300% agree 😄
fkn 2k8 rio on prot warrior getting refused in pug cus im not pal or druid in +19 keys
LOL
tame jasper
Instead of "Weekly+15 10piece required with full mythic clear and 100 parse logs...
yes its dump that keyholder in 15 are only accepting playerts with tierset bonus
cinder dirge
the entire day
cinder nova
I just started looking at Marileth and it's just a great tree all the way down. Why aren't more soulbinds this good? 🤔
cinder nova
Yeah Kevin OG SL
dark lark
I just want people to stop being stupid and realise that every tank can do the m...
S2 was the best tank balance the game has ever seen, every tank had representation in the top 20 for keys
strong forum
Kevin + 3p is the only reason why marileth is good
cinder nova
3p?
strong forum
3potency
cinder nova
I dunno man, so far all of the passive ones you get between conduits look pretty good. I get 3p is obviously gigchad DPS but compared to other stuff I've seen (particularly in NF/Kyr) it feels like Marileth has a lot of decent range on defensive benefit in multiple vectors
And then the 3p just lets you freeball
strong forum
I don't think any soulbind gives any kind of defensive benefit you could notice or want in specific situations
cinder nova
Fleshcrafting to heal on huge tank dots seems pretty obvious
blazing condor
Can proc it at basically every platform and all bosses except hakkar
ruby stirrup
@strong forum r u like jakey protection warrior for life ?
strong forum
Jakey is Nomeratur 2.0
blazing condor
:stronge:
strong forum
And I'm Sense 0.5
ruby stirrup
i see
blazing condor
Im a dog with a tiny, dusty crown
cinder nova
Can proc it at basically every platform and all bosses except hakkar
How are you proccing it on the broker boss? 🤔
And Muezalah
blazing condor
How are you proccing it on the broker boss? 🤔
Jump down onto the boss area, jump down onto the platform
You can jump down from higher platforms all over the dg if the buff is important to you (which it kinda aint tbf)
Or shouldnt be
But hey
Free DR
cinder nova
I mean it's like a demo shout
and you're slapping that nearly on CD unless you gotta hold it for something big
blazing condor
20% dr for 15 secs
You can even be sweaty with it if you really want to. Big pull before hakkar wing you can just jump off a bit before pulling
Get like 10 secs of dr
But thats kinda aids
Its more of a fun gimmick you might as well use if you can
west walrus
I just want people to stop being stupid and realise that every tank can do the m...
I saw a group asking for a 4P guardian druid, for a 19
sick sentinel
last time i played necro lord i liked using the one where you can move while channeling green bubble
really nice to just start doing it as your moving towards next pull
rugged mural
Is there a reason Seeing Red is based on stacks (8) of 30 rage spent instead of just a flat 240 rage? Makes it awkward to know how close you actually are to getting outburst from 6/7 stacks
chilly brook
I mean at 7 stacks
cinder nova
Pretty sure it's just net 240 rage. Do you have logs showing overspending?
rugged mural
A 40 rage execute can send you from 6-8 stacks immediately if you're 20 rage into the 6th stack. I just don't understand the logic behind hiding it behind stacks
urban portal
I think he's saying why can't outrage just be every 240 vs 3x8
Numbers get too large I think?
rugged mural
240 is scary? I guess so to some of the playerbase
lofty widget
arent there weakauras that show rage+stacks tho?
cinder nova
Are you wondering why they use stacks as opposed to just saying every 240 rage?
mighty valley
yeah just game design psychology & satisfaction stuff, for most brains it's easier to process it in chunks
cinder nova
Because it's just 240 rage. Stacks are to show rough tracking.
rugged mural
Yeah. And it makes it MUCH harder to make a WA to track your progress because tooltip shows stacks instead of rage spent.
cinder nova
Just make a WA that tracks rage spent and then clears it on outburst 4head
rugged mural
Won't work with 4piece. Again, it's just an unnecessary abstraction to make it more difficult rather than less difficult to track and I'm wondering if I'm missing something.
chilly brook
Yeah. And it makes it MUCH harder to make a WA to track your progress because to...
Does it though?
rugged mural
It does for me. I'm bad at WA though
rugged mural
WA tracks stacks, not rage spent
chilly brook
Which is literally the same thing
rugged mural
It's not, read above
cinder nova
^
chilly brook
All you need is an IP
craggy pilot
if im going straight up for DPS in raid, is Necro the best? 🤔
cinder nova
There benchmarkable information you can extrapolate from with the stacks that can inform your rage spent going forward.
rugged mural
Will a 20 rage execute give you 8 stacks?
chilly brook
Just send it at 40 rage
cinder nova
Or at least 30
chilly brook
You’re not punished for not sending it at 20
It’s linear scaling
Or oh no
You had to do two
Not a big deal
rugged mural
But then will you get Outburst or not? How do you know based on the stacks of Seeing Red?
Are you seeing now that stacks and rage spent are not the same thing?
chilly brook
It is tho
And you’re overcomplicating it
You can literally force outburst at 7 stacks every time
With one button
lofty widget
speaking of tier, has anyone else noticed that revenge procs counts towards stacks?
chilly brook
speaking of tier, has anyone else noticed that revenge procs counts towards stac...
Yes
lofty widget
bug, probably?
mighty valley
Yeah it's weird, since they don't count towards AM
lofty widget
oh really
mighty valley
and if I was implementing that, I would've absolutely copy-pasted the AM scripting
cinder nova
Yeah. No idea why.
rugged mural
6-8 can happen with a 40 rage execute though
chilly brook
It's only 7 > 8 that it counts.
It was counting for me on stacks less than that
chilly brook
6-8 can happen with a 40 rage execute though
Ok and?
cinder nova
Show me logs. I tested it extensively in ZM and procced 3 in a row and got no stacks.
rugged mural
If you want to prio Outburst with SS and not TC. It DOES matter
chilly brook
Show me logs. I tested it extensively in ZM and procced 3 in a row and got no st...
No logs was doing a key
chilly brook
If you want to prio Outburst with SS and not TC. It DOES matter
You can still do that….
Press revenj
Get reset
cinder nova
Might have been slapping IP/ShB then because like I said I was proccing Revenge! over and over and it never gave a stack except 7 to 8.
lofty widget
Show me logs. I tested it extensively in ZM and procced 3 in a row and got no st...
just tested from 2>3 and got no stacks, think youre right
cinder nova
It was entirely replicatable.
chilly brook
Might have been slapping IP/ShB then because like I said I was proccing Revenge!...
Interesting
cinder nova
Yeah hop on and give it a whirl. I thought the same thing when I was progging Halondrus and noticed it was only working on 7 to 8 afterwards.
I think it was Erga that also got the same results.
You could @ him and see if anything has changed.
mighty valley
definitely buggy behavior but... fixing it would technically be a tiny nerf so........
cinder nova
But back to the original point - the 2p/4p tracks Seeing Red as just a superficial means of telling you what rage you've spent. Regardless of how you get there, 240 rage will give you Outburst. Spillover is kept into the next Seeing Red stack.
Otherwise hitting Revenge three times wouldn't give me 2 stacks, and it does. You're literally just having a piss take.
chilly brook
And if you are waiting for shield slam
You’re not going to die because you didn’t press TC
latent pier
bug, probably?
Kind of a bummer if so. Other classes have similar mechanics where it's totally intended.
rugged mural
So I should just sit there and wait to see if I have outburst or not and just wait the .5 seconds rather than press TC or SS?
cinder nova
Wait to- bro what? Dude you have a BUFF BAR that tells you if you have Outburst or not.
rugged mural
You'll either have downtime or you'll hit outburst buffed TCs with this setup because you can't see your required rage to go.
lofty widget
why do you have down time? you dont need to spend outburst the second you proc it, and you have other buttons to press besides tc and ss
cinder nova
If you can't look at 7 stacks of Seeing Red and compartmentalize that it's 210+ rage and that you need to spend a MINIMUM of 30 rage to proc to make that choice
I doubt you'll be parsing with trying to game big SS using Outburst.
Not to mention a Revenge! proc will always send you to 8.
rugged mural
why do you have down time? you dont need to spend outburst the second you proc i...
Sitting on both SS and TC off CD... Good idea
mighty valley
this conversation has gone on far too long lol. dividing it into stacks makes it easier for most brains to come up with rules of thumb for playing, it's just a lot harder for the majority of players to process 240 on the fly. that does mean it's not showing you the finest detail, which might affect your granular decisions very very occasionally. if you really think this is going to affect you, you can work on a rage tracker WA, it just wouldn't key off the buffs they display to you. whether that's worth the work is really up to you
cinder nova
Basically. You're hung up on entirely trivial information that - were you not already pushing AOTC or Mythic content - will never be a critical factor in your success or failure as much as foundational play will be.
Go to the WA discord and beg them to make something like that for you if you can't hack it together yourself.
jagged pier
this conversations seems dumb u only need to care about anything at 7 seething stacks once there make sure u put TC on cooldown then spend your rage
then u can pretty much guarentee a outbursted SS
theres already a WA in the pins thats let u track the buffs
jagged pier
because u do
chrome falcon
oh yeah bro nah
don't do that
that's not a good way to live
just ignore the pink and the orange class
cinder nova
Imagine having to simp for a shiny bauble so you can not die ex deee
Warriors just get angry because power comes from within
mighty valley
yo you turn into a bear? a bear like winnie the pooh is a bear? lmao
chrome falcon
man fuck i would kill for some tropical mango now
mighty valley
i'm just in my nice little guild
no one's weird about meta or balance
we play what we like
nothing can harm me here
cinder nova
Does banner trigger GCD or can I just mongo macro it to stuff like ava
sweet summit
gcd
cinder nova
Any optimal order to press it in?
Like LS > Ava > Demo > Banner
or
I should say I just clownshoes with LS and UF on the pull for maximum meter monkey \
sweet summit
banner first since it has infinite duration -> avatar -> demo -> LS (ls last or you just hard overcap)
cinder nova
Okay but what if I'm pressing IP between Demo/Ava while LS is up
sweet summit
sure
latent pier
Any notable prot war key streamers besides pika?
latent pier
Thank ya
cinder nova
Ban Erga for trying to acquire stans
sweet summit
👀
cinder nova
sick sentinel
me in another timeline where i didn't give up on wow
cinder nova
Spanks
sweet summit
😔
mellow gorge
out of curiosity, how dumb would it be to swap from reprisal to signet for like +4 more average ilvl in raid
sweet summit
very
mellow gorge
good.
latent pier
I bet spear + seismic will be a fun meme for low keys.
strong forum
ya absolutely
but i suspect that the rage from reprisal has potential to beat out seismic
strong forum
out of curiosity, how dumb would it be to swap from reprisal to signet for like ...
signet does borderline nothing for us
latent pier
Wtb tier.
strong forum
i miss dolphin who was utterly refusing to accept that signet is dogshit for us just because a random who was r1 rio as venthyr with signet equipped
in very early s1
latent pier
0/4 this isn't funny blizz
gray wolf
dragons roar, yay or nay? is it worth
latent pier
Didn't it used to autocrit and be way better?
gray wolf
i don't, just some pug
latent pier
Many moons ago
gray wolf
just wanted to make sure i'm not missing some sorta hidden meta
strong forum
it used to be 100% pre-SL yes
latent pier
Who the fuck
strong forum
but we also didnt have dragon roar as prot in BFA and Legion