protection

[cinder nova]

and F1

[chrome falcon]

you know you're pumping when Hero portals are you on bars

[sweet summit]

F4 is good bin

it's shout

ok that's not too bad actually?

[oblique garnet]

Ill show my prot binds

[craggy pilot]

anyone have a WA for the downphase HP of Anduin?Å

[cinder nova]

I literally took Intervene off my bars.

It's wrapped into my Charge macro.

[craggy pilot]

🤔

[waxen orbit]

Nah, just use Opie and put it on a separate wheel

[cinder nova]

It's mouseover > target charge if hostile or intervene if friendly.

And it hamstrings if I can't do either.

It's so nice.

[waxen orbit]

^ Should honestly be built in

I have the same macro

[ocean reef]

IP on E

[oblique garnet]

Keep in mind i havent changed my prot binds around alot since bfa where i was actively playing tank

[ocean reef]

Is cursed

??

[oblique garnet]

IP is on 7

not E

[ocean reef]

wot

[waxen orbit]

IP is on 4

SB on 3

[oblique garnet]

Oh on fury

[oblique garnet]

yeah i dont press that button

[mighty valley]

leap on m4 gang

[cinder nova]

I don't remember - did I bounce that one off your head way back in CN? 🤔

[ocean reef]

Why do you have such an important bind then

[craggy pilot]

#showtooltip Charge
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cancelaura Blessing of Protection
/cast Charge
/cast Victory Rush
/cast Impending Victory

i have this

[ocean reef]

And never press it

[craggy pilot]

and then a hover Intervene macro seperate

[oblique garnet]

incase i need to use it

[ocean reef]

man..

[craggy pilot]

otherwise if you remove intervene, you need a WA to track the CD anyway...

[oblique garnet]

Its not like i randomly missclick E in combat...

[cinder nova]

/use [@mouseover,harm,nodead][harm,nodead][]Charge
/use [@mouseover,help,nodead][help,nodead][]Intervene
/use [@mouseover,help,nodead][help,nodead][]Hamstring
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cancelaura Blessing of Protection

[ocean reef]

For sure you don't..

[craggy pilot]

how do you track intervene CD?

[oblique garnet]

I really dont

[cinder nova]

Weakaura

[ocean reef]

Neither do I

I sometimes misclick Q instead

Which is my cov ability

[oblique garnet]

Q is piercing howl on fury

[ocean reef]

doomed

[oblique garnet]

and taunt on tanks

[waxen orbit]

It's very likely

[mighty valley]

simply don't press the wrong buttons?

[waxen orbit]

I had the Hamstring aspect already since prepatch tho

[oblique garnet]

Idk i dont missclick my buttons

[ocean reef]

I could optimise my binds

But I cba

[cinder nova]

Just press the right buttons and then reduce their HP to 0 before yours gets to 0 4head

ezgame

[ocean reef]

Should also make a first sigil + pot macro

[mighty valley]

the only mispress i do is sometimes fatfinger shift and caps lock

but that doesn't actually do anything, so

[ocean reef]

Trinket kinda nutty for prog fights because you typically end up getting 2 uses

[cinder nova]

Sometimes I accidentally hamstring the boss when I'm spamming my charge button.

[mighty valley]

it's fine, just funny when i yell at everyone after a big pull because saps is still on

[waxen orbit]

Did that once during execute phase

Wanted to die

[cinder nova]

OOF

Yeah I was practicing the 2p SS memes and accidentally dumped it on TC

Felt bad

It sometimes concerns me that Warrior discord is unironically one of the better class discords out there.

Some are almost entirely built on foundations of feelycraft

[oblique garnet]

Oh and #protection isnt feelycraft

[cinder nova]

Nah, Mwahi makes sure it isn't

[mighty valley]

how much vers i need to have good feelings about where my life is going

[cinder nova]

1000+

[oblique garnet]

I have 2%

[waxen orbit]

Try 6% leech, 6% avoidance

[urban portal]

every tank is feelycraft

[waxen orbit]

Or my signature 13.24% leech build last patch

[cinder nova]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gross-yuck-disgusting-do-not-want-gif-21459425

y tho

[oblique garnet]

I dont need it

[mighty valley]

extreme confidence in life direction

[oblique garnet]

Why would i go for it

[cinder nova]

I mean, you don't, but Vers/Crit is 📈

[waxen orbit]

^

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but its bad for every other warrior spec

[cinder nova]

Just get different sets 4head

[oblique garnet]

⛔

[waxen orbit]

Just do 24 keys per week ding dong

[oblique garnet]

I am

[waxen orbit]

And get your M+ set

[oblique garnet]

Still not gonna keep useless pieces

[cinder nova]

I will say the only thing about tier is that the itemization is all over the place and almost always half-assed goober shit.

I want my vers/crit full tier reeee

[safe thistle]

you can transform m+ cir/vers into tier piece mid april

crit*

[waxen orbit]

Here have more mastery 🐀

[cinder nova]

Don't think it preserves the stats. It just makes the tier gear that pops out of tokens, my lad.

There was a Kalani video and the PVP gear he showed didn't preserve stats.

It just made a PVP version of the gear he threw in there.

[safe thistle]

that sucks then

[median tulip]

sigh Vault choice between 259 Tier chest, or 278 non-tier Legs

[cinder nova]

Do you have 1p yet?

[waxen orbit]

You already know the answer, lad

[median tulip]

I have the legs from Hallondrus

[cinder nova]

bruh

get chest

That's a no-brainer.

I'm using 239 LFR legs and it's still worth

[safe thistle]

same lol lfr legs

[waxen orbit]

Legit
Fucking
Retards

[cinder nova]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOBoKxEcVAA

[oblique garnet]

I have ran out of gold at that point and cant afford to play wow anymore

[waxen orbit]

Goated clip

[chrome falcon]

are either of those lords of dread trinkets good

[sweet summit]

nope

[oblique garnet]

Ok @sweet summit Lmao 4p rage gen is ridiculous

[urban portal]

isnt it just 1 outburst every avatar?

[chrome falcon]

yeah

but outbursts give you more outbursts

gives you more avatars

it's insanity

you can 40 rage execute 8 out of 10 globals

[oblique garnet]

i actually end up spamming ip so much now

[chrome falcon]

when rage starts giving you rage, warrior becomes ridiculous

see: 7.3

[oblique garnet]

This is with reprisal so no big dam

50% avatar uptime in tazavesh

[chrome falcon]

and avatar is 50% stronger

[urban portal]

do you know the secret tech of macroing ip into shield slam

:DDDDD

[oblique garnet]

No

We dont do that here

We press 7

[mighty valley]

binding IP to voice recognition

every time I go AAAHHHH it pops

[dawn canyon]

fury but for rampage you have to yell

that sounds hillarious

[oblique garnet]

@sweet summit Reprisal 📈

[strong forum]

Big 📈

[gentle finch]

Ya I’m doing 10k in mists with reprisal the nine trinket and scale

Wtb 4

[oblique garnet]

Defensive trinkets

[median tulip]

Picked up an Elegy of the Eternals in raid this evening; looks like a reliable straight swap for my AFE

[balmy narwhal]

Hey guys, do you know how interrupt weakaura for prototype works? Is there a weakaura that makes it easy for interrupt tracker?

[oblique garnet]

You need to have an ERT note with the kicks configured into it

https://wago.io/vNUPoLklw

Once you open up the weakaura in game it tells you how it should be setup on MRT note

But in order for it to work you need to have a weakaura which marks the bosses

[waxen orbit]

"Small" according to others

Nice job tho

Tf that MM hunter doin tho 👀

[oblique garnet]

We had some fun pulls

[balmy narwhal]

Ok thank you

[waxen orbit]

Evidently

[oblique garnet]

But tbf it is kinda low damage

2k lower than i did last patch

[waxen orbit]

No dom shards and running defensive stuff so makes sense

[balmy narwhal]

Thank you, do you know what is the marker they usually put on him?

[oblique garnet]

Uhh

https://wago.io/5q3zuvDrx

Renewal moon and Skull on war iirc

Oh it even says that

in the weakaura

[balmy narwhal]

thank you, I played with the weakaura from before and put condition, so I guess I will delete it and download it again

[oblique garnet]

Well only defensive stuff im running is reprisal

[waxen orbit]

Oof

That's usually my damage rn with no tier set and running Rep + Aegis

Down from my 12.9k record in Mists last patch using Whetstone + Phial + SR

I'll get tier set

I know I will

[oblique garnet]

I dont really have too many trinket options

Just running OWS and tazavesh gland

[waxen orbit]

Taz gland?

Refresh my memory

[oblique garnet]

Yeah the one that lets you choose a partner and take his highest stats

[waxen orbit]

Ohhh yeah that thing

[oblique garnet]

Gives like 117 or so secondary stats

Has no negative effect like gland

[waxen orbit]

Yeah not a bad trinket for sure

I wish they didn't nerf its highest ilvl version by like

47%

:c

Could've actually been a new BIS for prot to replace mythic OWS

[hollow hill]

Dang pocket protoforge is hot garbage

[waxen orbit]

I think it's more like lukewarm sewage

[hollow hill]

Yea maybe

I checked my logs for last night, it procced a total of 3 times on a near 10 minute fight

[waxen orbit]

That's fucking tragic

[hollow hill]

especially when you consider scale could have been used 5 times, and done damage on top of having a better shield

[mighty egret]

is that self healing??

😮

[hollow hill]

I think Ignore Pain gets counted as healing

[waxen orbit]

Yea

Plus Indom is self heals

[hollow hill]

that's true

shoot I hadn't thought about that synergy with the tier bonus

[oblique garnet]

ye with reprisal youre hardly even running into downtime with SB

[mighty egret]

lol i was trolling just crazy to see how much we do with 4p

[oblique garnet]

And set bonus gives you so much rage gen you end up spamming ip when you cant get revenges off

I did entire downstairs of mists in 2 pulls

HP didnt move below 60%

[hollow hill]

on a 15?

[oblique garnet]

Just a 16

[hollow hill]

That's incredible

[scenic mural]

And on raging? Had to spend hald that time running away

[oblique garnet]

You would think that but no

the mobs with raging do around the same damage as mobs last week

[scenic mural]

Really? That makes me happy to hear

[hollow hill]

hah so it's fortified and tyrannical at once

[oblique garnet]

yeah except tyrannical trash dies relatively fast

[scenic mural]

Yeah no hp boost

[hollow hill]

oh that's true

[safe dirge]

someone as a weekauras to track the stack of outburst plz ?.

[hollow hill]

[safe dirge]

ya yeet

[hollow hill]

😄

[safe dirge]

soz

[hollow hill]

I actually made my own before I saw the one in the pins lol

[waxen orbit]

Yeah raging is a fucking joke

[safe dirge]

thunderlord is a viable option with 4p and double legendary for mm+

?

[waxen orbit]

Hell no

Still SR damage / Reprisal defense

[mighty valley]

Wish TC just gave... a little more rage to justify using procs on it

Slamming a 10k crit to the whole pack on pull would be nice

If I wasn't here saying goodbye to 30 rage

[balmy narwhal]

Hey guys sorry to bother you again, the omnicide pantheon interrupt weakaura, it doesnt tell me how to set up MRT note for interrupt order

can somebody help me out witht his

this*

[hollow hill]

Would it be better to put Unity on cloak over helmet in order to keep my tier bonus until I get another tier piece? I feel like that's a no brainer but want to see what the smart people think

[mighty valley]

You want it on a slot that gets maximum stats since you can craft it at max ilvl

If you have a lot of money you can move it around as you gear

[hollow hill]

Right yea. I figure having the 2 piece is worth sacrificing a few stats until I get another tier piece and can then swap unity onto helmet

291 cloak is cheap so won't hurt to burn it in a few weeks time

[mighty valley]

Why not just use the free belt for a while

[hollow hill]

might as well max ilvl right?

[mighty valley]

Sure, lotta money on very minor upgrade

I mean you still have a while to see where your gear's at anyway

[hollow hill]

that's true

i might get another tier piece before it's really even a concern

[hardy ridge]

holy shit lords of dread hurts on heroic

[latent pier]

Back from raid. Zero tier.

[sweet summit]

[blazing condor]

Back from sleep. Zero well rested

[jagged pier]

Same to both the tier and the sleep

Normal tonight i think

[blazing condor]

Woke up again

[jagged pier]

^

[oblique garnet]

soon 🙂

[jagged pier]

U need to sort put your sleep schedule

[ocean reef]

Dau and Xymox tonight in one swoop, defo seeing pantheon as well tonight

Have you bonked artificer yet

[oblique garnet]

It was fine until it wasnt

[ocean reef]

just go sleep lol?..

[sweet summit]

today we reclear and bonk

[jagged pier]

i understand the stuggle

[ocean reef]

That 7% 3rd pull we got will be kill on first pull tonight

[oblique garnet]

I Have an meeting in an hour

[ocean reef]

But be sure to threaten any priests in your vicinity with any means necessary to not get fairy'd

[ocean reef]

Well not now silly?

Like 8 hours ago

[oblique garnet]

I was busy trying to farm sack from m+

[ocean reef]

[sweet summit]

[quaint glade]

Good morning,

Can somebody please help me with the itemization?

I am not quite sure, whether I am going the right direction or not.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/lunaera

Mostly, for some unknown reasons I feel like I need more versa, but I see guides and it says ilvl/haste and then versa

[jagged pier]

yer stats mean very very little

if your having issues its mostly your play

[quaint glade]

After the previous suggestions, I got here, where I should not spam IP my survivability has increased a lot haha, I also wanted to log the runs, but I keep forgetting and remembering in the middle.

But after those suggestions been able to close most of 14th and couple of 15s so tyvm for that

[jagged pier]

i mean there are logs for your character

and they are not good

[quaint glade]

👉 👈

[jagged pier]

i mean the one if found

u are running reprisal but u only intervened 5 times in over 30 mins

u block about 40% of the melees against u when it should be 85%+

like u cast SB 50 times

in 30 mins

thats our mitigation

it need to be up if your being melee'd

u also cast IP 163 times why? 🤷

in dungeons

[quaint glade]

yes, I have noticed that I am not charging a lot, but as I have mentioned before, there is plenty of room for improvements, and I am not saying I am good 😄

[jagged pier]

your casts are all really low

[quaint glade]

it was before I was told not to spam it 😄

[jagged pier]

not to mention TC is your most press ability and it does nothing

in a dungeon is should be revenge SS TC SB from most used to least for your top 4 spell

but like your SS casts should be 12 CPM yours are 5

[quaint glade]

ugh what is SS TC and SB?

[jagged pier]

so your missing out on around 7 SS casts a minute

shield slam

thunderclap

shield block

thunderclap should also be at 10 yours is at 6

[quaint glade]

Dont mind me asking but is there an alternative lego?

[tame jasper]

Vault: 5x garbage + 1nhc set-chest => 4pc bonus + open helm slot for unity 🥳

[jagged pier]

no

[quaint glade]

I am not charging a lot, so Idk how I can improve it

[jagged pier]

u need to intervene not charge

and thats not hard

u just intervene on cd

[quaint glade]

my intervene and charge are macroed 2ther

[jagged pier]

so

most ppls are

[quaint glade]

aighty, will do couple of runs today and will try to work on those issues

ty for the recommendations

[jagged pier]

look u have 2 huge issues

press your buttons more

like far more

and actually pay attention to SB

if its not up ither use SB

charge

or intervene

if none of those are avaible use your trinket or SW

[quaint glade]

so i just remove ip from the spells? 😄

[jagged pier]

no u should still use it just not that much

[quaint glade]

Aight got you

[jagged pier]

because your rage generation is so low u wont notice a different

IP is used to dump rage when over 80 rage

or for magic damage

[quaint glade]

so sometimes I get left with no rage so perhaps it is because i am spamming IP

like i have no rage for sb and etc

[jagged pier]

well thats a combination of u not generating any rage and using IP to much

you need to be above 30 everytime SB is coming off cd

[quaint glade]

Understood, thank you

as for the talents, are what I have right now is ok for m+ or shall i change couple things?

[jagged pier]

they were fine

[quaint glade]

aight, thank you again

will work on those points

[craggy pilot]

anyone else experiencing some weird movement after charging?

like sometimes the mouseclick turn feels really wonky for a short while after charging in

[deft hinge]

i have a problem with leap and charge sometimes, if i hold strafe left while leaping/charging my char continues to walk left by himself after

but i think thats a problem i have local tho

[ionic fern]

Never noticed anything similar.

👀

[sweet summit]

i'm not sure if i've had that or i continued to press the strafe key

[strong forum]

Happens sometimes in wow, just press the key again to stop it

[sweet summit]

[ember tangle]

i got dc'ed after charging the last boss in plaguefall yesterday, is that a known thing to avoid or just a random dc?

[blazing condor]

It happens for some reason

Not just tied to PF happened to me too during Echelon

Something where you charge and move camera quickly or something and the game just overloads

Idk im not a nerd dude but thats what did it for me

[sweet summit]

dc'ing from using mobility abilities are not unheard of

[blazing condor]

I remember in SD s1 where jumping down from the 2nd boss to 3rd boss would just super crash your game

Dc you and when you logged back in you got dcd again

[ember tangle]

i only had that happen jumping on some random rocks in the maw

[ionic fern]

Many depleted keys agree with this.

[dawn canyon]

glider>dc

[ionic fern]

Also, many depleted keys agree with:
-Flat gound
-Spams Heroic Leap
-"NO PATH FOUND"
-Dies.

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

New Expansion announcement in 2 days tho.

So ..that's something.

[jagged pier]

isnt it april 19th?

[ionic fern]

Wait, April?

I thought March.

Damn.

[blazing condor]

Holy bait

[untold salmon]

prot warriors, The first sigil, do we rate?

[ionic fern]

We do rate.

[untold salmon]

2nd question, how does it work for necrolord?

[strong forum]

Wdym how does it work

It resets fleshcraft

But first sigil is very good dmg

[blazing condor]

It doesnt cast fleshcraft right just gives you the buff

[strong forum]

Actually I think it does the cast

[untold salmon]

says it channels FC on wowhead

[blazing condor]

Yikes

I mean

[untold salmon]

which kinda sucks

[blazing condor]

Guess that gives you more defense

But

Cringe

[strong forum]

I mean just move

Lol

[untold salmon]

yeah

[strong forum]

Who cares about the cast

Just use it for the vers for dmg

📈

[jagged pier]

^

[strong forum]

Preferably for execute

[blazing condor]

How many casts of sigil do i need to do a 20

[jagged pier]

have to wait between each pull for cd

[strong forum]

Smurt

[untold salmon]

boomy in my raid really wants it so just wanted to check, thanks guys

[jagged pier]

well u 'should' always gear dps before tanks

[strong forum]

Well yeah it's better for boomy

But it's also good for us

[upper flame]

In Sanguine Depths, the last banana before last boss, how is it with Kaal HP? Does it scale off Tyranical?

[strong forum]

?

You mean if the gauntlet kaal scales with tyr or fort?

Before the actual boss fight

If that's the question, it didnt scale with either the last time I checked. Both hp values were the same on the same key level

[upper flame]

Yeah thats what I was asking

Thanks

[tropic linden]

Hey, do i charge or intervene when not tanking in raid or wait to use when tanking to maximise SB?

[strong forum]

If you want rage for more dmg you charge weave, but you save intervene if you know you're gonna tank soon tm

[jagged pier]

u should charge to a boss just before taunt swap

[strong forum]

Was just about to say that ye

[jagged pier]

should up load my anduin kill do a lot of charge weaving and wasted like 1% rage

the juice

35 rage of that was a demo shout probs on the adds phase

[lusty ember]

just got heart of the swarm, does this thing have any use? i assume we can't block in swarm mode

[hardy ridge]

Anyone else getting trucked on heroic lords of dread?

Looking for a friend

Its a good mix of auto attacks and the magic dmg dot ticking

[jagged pier]

not really if u plan properly

recommend the wall on that fight tbh as u cant really rep easily

[hardy ridge]

I only have like 4 pulls but reprisal seems aids to play on that fight

Yeah exactly

[jagged pier]

u can have block up and SR for like every leeching claws

and a lot of the anguishing strikes u just need to get used to it

and remeber they hitter harder and harder the longer the fight

[hardy ridge]

Ayt ill take your advice

Next week should be easier with double necro lego

Big rage gen

Ty 🧡

[daring bay]

AM with 4 set right? i assume

[sweet summit]

am always 😎

but especially with 4 set

[jagged pier]

WHY HAS EVERYONE GOT 4 SET BUT ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[sweet summit]

2 set even

[daring bay]

Do lfr :p

[jagged pier]

that wont even get me 2 piece

[daring bay]

Infinite bag as 00.1% to give you a set piece

[mellow bridge]

dw I only looted 4 tset shoulders so far

nothing else

[cold zealot]

Upgrade Tazavesh shield to 272 or farm more m+ to upgrade a hast+X shield?

[mellow bridge]

🤷‍♂️

do you want an upgrade now or a slightly better upgrade later

your choice fam

[eager lodge]

I would wait

[mental scarab]

@jagged pier havent put my pinkey in the raid But got M shoulders in vault 👍🏻

[tawdry dirge]

when u play necro with double lego then what soulbind we go there?

[jagged pier]

i'd play to get tier in vault

[mental scarab]

no time to raid so tier from m+ is super good @jagged pier

[ionic fern]

Marileth

[sick sentinel]

Those of you who've gotten at least 2 piece, how do you like it?

[tawdry dirge]

Thankies

2 set is mehhh

Overall i could have felt warriors would have deserved something cooler

[ionic fern]

What?

From gameplay pov our tier is super fun.

[latent pier]

Same

[urban portal]

the 4 set is kinda lame

but 2 set very good

[timber jasper]

finally had time to open my vault... should have leave it closed kekw

[mellow bridge]

wats wrong with it

278 weapon is huge

[timber jasper]

would rather finally have my second tier piece

[scenic mural]

This is pretty bottom shelf take

[mighty path]

Judging by who it is from I would say it’s a pretty hot take

[oblique garnet]

By far the most fun ive had as warrior in a long time

[latent pier]

Sword or tier. Flip that coin

[latent pier]

2pc is that good, eh?

[hollow hill]

2 piece is so damn good

[latent pier]

Is the 4pc just not great or

[hollow hill]

4 piece is good as well just less people have it i think

[latent pier]

It does seem like it'd make us pretty beefy during avatar

But idk

[oblique garnet]

4p is amazing

[latent pier]

Main raid is done for a few days so going to try in vain to get some tier for the warrior.

How is prot in the raid?

[oblique garnet]

No idea dont play it

In raids

[latent pier]

Oof

[oblique garnet]

Heard its pretty rough since alot of unblockable spells or something

@shut summit probably knows better

[latent pier]

This is some bullshit Dx

[hardy ridge]

I've had no issues until i got to heroic lords of dread, hardest fight for prot warrior so far imo

[latent pier]

I can see that one being real rough.

[hardy ridge]

also sucks because its not a good reprisal fight

with all the moving and facing the boss away for the frontals

they also dont seem to cast that much for a quick leap charge

idk i only have 4 pulls but ill see more of it next week

[latent pier]

Gonna practice with normal pugs. Should be terrible.

[jagged pier]

just wait for rygelon

[hardy ridge]

D:

Only 33 prot warrs have killed anduin

23 for lords

13 rygelon

[jagged pier]

34 and 24 at least

my logs are private

they dont count

[hardy ridge]

Oh i guess all the rwf splits dont count either

[jagged pier]

will be killing ry tonight

[hardy ridge]

Nice bro, best of luck

[latent pier]

Any cheesy tricks with reflect or intervene

Or nah

[kindred rapids]

Hey guys i send the same message on all my discord of classes, for prot war in wich slot do you craft the two leggo ( unity+ other one) Ty for the response, what is the most efficient ?

[ionic fern]

[urban portal]

splits count

since anyone in the group could upload that log

just like how i uploaded a log of me beating jpc

topkek

[daring bay]

How much haste do you guys have? I did a dung with into the fray and it felt so much better. Haste without it was on 24%

[mighty valley]

Hovering around 30

Ravager is so good though, haven't wanted to key without it for a year

[latent pier]

I kinda wanna play around with seismic + em next week

.>

[deft hinge]

30% here

[daring bay]

Maybe thats my problem, i just need more haste

[urban portal]

not a thing

[deft hinge]

above 25 it feels better

[urban portal]

but itf isnt exactly bad

just harder to pick up aggro

[deft hinge]

did u do the same dung/keylevel with same party

[daring bay]

No, it absolutsly is "feelcrafty" but feel like thats the only thing you can do with tanks

[mighty valley]

personally feel a lot better with the burst rage + threat at the start of each pull, the hardest part

although it's not unreasonable to consider more ST talents for when tyrannical is hard

[latent pier]

Was the prot artifact ability good?

I forget.

Was considering the idea they bring it back as a talent in 10.0 or something. On brand if they go with the dragon isle idea, too.

[chilly brook]

It did poop damage

but it was incredible to be able to force crit blocks

So situationally good

[latent pier]

Wasn't it mostly used to patch up those windows you just had nothing?

I remember using ignore pain a lot but I don't remember if that was the lego wrist doing most of the heavy lifting there.

a lot more, rather

I'm kinda farming gear as prot because it's a million times easier to pug as a tank right now. Oy.

[chrome falcon]

prot's artifact ability was fine but man it didn't compare well to the other tanks very well

i'd love to see it as a situational talent though

modified in some way

[latent pier]

Didn't spell reflect not go away from a single cast at the time?

[chilly brook]

It was used in specific situations

Like KJ's tank buster

[chrome falcon]

spell reflect was like 3x better in legion yeah

[chilly brook]

Everything was like 3x better in legion

[latent pier]

I didn't really like warrior until legion, but that was mostly the animations.

I still think mop was the best class design overall.

[chilly brook]

Honestly artifact ability should just come back as a baseline ability

[latent pier]

I will say I do like shadowlands arms a lot.

Like it's the only version of arms I've liked for yeaaaaaars

[chilly brook]

But it's like

The same

[latent pier]

admittedly didn't play my war in bfa, kinda regret that, having no tank in the main roster sucks.

[chilly brook]

The big difference from BFA>SL is just the damage isn't your deep wounds anymore

[chrome falcon]

i think the most interesting way they could incorporate the artifact ability is to make it share charges with shield block

[chilly brook]

but it basically is the same

[chrome falcon]

half the duration but guarantees a crit block

[chilly brook]

but why

We already know our block time craters without borrowed power

[chrome falcon]

i dunno i just want more ways to spend rage defensively lol

[latent pier]

wasn't ignore pain nerfed or something?

I remember it being a lot stronger, but I had the legendary early so that might have skewed things a bit.

[grim loom]

how does prot look for higher keys this season with 4set?

[chrome falcon]

define higher

[grim loom]

20 minimum

[chrome falcon]

20s are going to be a joke for every class when we all have 4 set and double legendaries

and yeah we're looking good for pushing, not the best (as usual) but definitely not weak

[chilly brook]

IP was nerfed heavily from Legion to BFA

Went from a 90% absorb to a 50%

Absorb amount went down

And it also capped at 1.3x instead of the like 6x of legion

[chrome falcon]

And instead of being a scaling cost it went flat

[chilly brook]

But we were also reworked to be more of a block class

[chrome falcon]

I miss the OG ignore pain

[vernal vale]

Shield Barrier in MoP

That's OG ignore pain.

[sweet summit]

did a couple 20s last week without 4 set and it's pretty free

[mighty valley]

the entire premise of "choose to spend rage on offense vs. defense" is a little flawed imo, a balancing nightmare

it's honestly at its best when you just do max offense and then excess gives you a bit more defense, like now

since many tank specs don't really have to sacrifice damage to survive

[latent pier]

how to play bear druid: press w

press swipe

win

[mighty valley]

anyway speculation about next expansion is pretty useless when we're gonna lose our current set of powers and who knows what we'll gain

it's thrash, you just got expelled from bear school

[latent pier]

i don't need to know what thrash does to play druid spr gud

proceeds to swipe thrash to victory

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-im-out-gif-12240324

[mighty valley]

it's just fanfiction

people can have fun

[wraith hemlock]

I remember on last tier being able to solo tank aggramar due to being able to force those crit blocks + increased block amount reaching the cap

good times

[wraith hemlock]

Damnand here I can barely tank a 12 without dying

[timber jasper]

thank you non heroic crab, finally 2 piece 🙂

[latent pier]

fuck off. ugh.

[mighty valley]

it's a random writer doing random speculation

don't let it hurt you

[latent pier]

it's too late for that.

this story touched me and I can't show you where

[mighty valley]

do we tag admins to blast this shit

blasted

[deft hinge]

Its Jaina, im shure of it!!!

[latent pier]

Any situation you'd use bolster over am? I have not done much in terms of raid tanking this expac.

almost exclusively M+ and some random heroic bosses.

[jagged pier]

no

[mighty valley]

AM way way way too good with tier set

[blazing condor]

Did someone have the WFT totem chart?

[latent pier]

I wish I had tier. :(

[deft hinge]

argh i want my first tier!!!

[mighty valley]

you'll get it

it's still early

[latent pier]

but I want it now D:

[deft hinge]

me2

i wanna Avatar moar

[latent pier]

I'd settle for my giga shield bashes

[mighty valley]

it is nice to see 30,000

haven't even raided with it yet

[latent pier]

dayum

[ionic zenith]

Is ravager still the go to talent with tier set in m+?

[jagged pier]

yes

[latent pier]

Does pika still stream?

Kinda wanna see what he's doing before I go on a big ol key marathon.

[latent pier]

oh rad

work internet doesn't like twitch, sorry.

[strong forum]

its mainly just raid content

cuz thats what hes focusing on

[latent pier]

gotta get that tier.

[strong forum]

gotta finish the raid

id think he has full tier already

nvm only has 2p

[latent pier]

isn't the 2pc more impactful overall?

[strong forum]

no

4p is the juice

[latent pier]

hmmm

[strong forum]

he also doesnt play pwar

[latent pier]

oh no

did we lose him

[urban portal]

i mean

technically wihtout the 2p the only thing 4p does is 10% on avatar

2p is what gives outburst and stuff

[pallid isle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xL9XFgakb4LtqLS9c7WXN5dqcIQY9ZdFkEizzbl8C_A/edit#gid=344640235

[blazing condor]

cheers big fella

[pallid isle]

What is the mitigation order for Block, shield wall, IP and spell reflect?

[strong forum]

armor first

then % mitigations

then shields

in the end doesnt matter cuz its all % except shields

flat values come last, just like in normal math

[pallid isle]

thanks

[sullen quartz]

hey guys a quick question, with 2 set is it worth spc into Thunderclap like grab UF conduits,etc, or stick to ravager build and ignore that proc?

[mighty cairn]

still better to play normal ravager/reprisal build and send procs into ss

[strong forum]

UF is dead

you get 1 empowered thunderclap

1

and you dont even want to use outburst on TC

its a dmg loss to press it on TC even in aoe

[mighty cairn]

feels bad

should just buff tclap outburst dmg more

[blazing condor]

idk why people keep lusting after TC builds again

it doesnt make sense

[chilly brook]

Wouldn't resurrect UF

You'd press TC one global

And it would do some damage

Then back to ignoring it until there's nothing better to press

[chilly brook]

Idk I want UF back personally

But it's just dogwater

So I'm not going to sit here theorycrafting about it

[strong forum]

current playstyle is better than UF

[blazing condor]

maybe its an unpopular opinion but i feel like having a resource generating ability be your top damage is just flavorless

[mighty valley]

^

[chilly brook]

I disagree but hey

Everyone has their opinion

[mighty valley]

it's just weird that it barely generates resource

[chilly brook]

It's nice to have revenj do something

[blazing condor]

im for buffing TC damage though

but yeah

not have it be #1

[chilly brook]

But ultimately UF is dead because they overnerfed everything

[strong forum]

if they buff TC dmg, they have to remove UF

[blazing condor]

depends on the buff

[mighty valley]

they just decided TC isn't a major damage button which is fine, but also left in talents from when it was

[strong forum]

TC needs to be buffed by 100% to not be dogshit

[chilly brook]

And forgot that the we lost a lot of damage with the removal of BFA systems

[strong forum]

if they buff it by 100%, UF will likely be good again

[mighty valley]

just decide on a direction for the button plz blizzard james

[chilly brook]

Or just roll it into Avatar

🙂

[blazing condor]

make UF generate more rage

and do some more dmg

[strong forum]

the issue about UF is

it fucks up the rotation

ALOT

you wont find enough globals to press revenge and SS

you have to do either

and then you start dumping rage into IP

[chilly brook]

Personally I like the fact that it was 20 seconds of changing up the rotation

[strong forum]

which ultimately makes you lose dps again

[chilly brook]

Made a "fast" spec feel "faster"

[mighty valley]

yeah it was fine when TC was your #1 or #2 prio button

[strong forum]

the rotation worked out in BFA cuz revenge did literally 0 dmg

so you didnt care beyond pressing it to apply deepwounds

[mighty valley]

I do like transformative CDs that make you play different for duration

part of why i like our current tier, does things to avatar

[strong forum]

but now since revenge is important, the rotation is a pure fucking abomination during UF

[chilly brook]

It should theoretically work out

[strong forum]

try fitting in revenge casts

when SS gets reset

300 times during avatar

[blazing condor]

rotation also worked because you had deafening crash and BoM

[chilly brook]

I know what you're saying

[blazing condor]

pre nerf deafening crash as well

[mighty valley]

5 rage, what is that

[blazing condor]

5 rage

[strong forum]

i played UF once for 1 avatar duration in beta

[mighty valley]

thanks dog

[strong forum]

never in my life i swapped faster away from it

[chilly brook]

I haven't played it at all this xpac

[strong forum]

and ive never talented it back in

it was absolutely terrible

those 20seconds were enough for me to decide that its a dead talent for SL

[mighty valley]

i tried thunderlords + UF early since it reads good in theory, but it feels really really jank

[chilly brook]

I'd just appreciate a unified direction for prot

Blizz can't decide what they want from it

[strong forum]

cant wait for blizz to overreact to bear and bdk dmg

and nerf them for 10.0

even though all their dmg comes from tier and legendary combination

[chilly brook]

I think you mean paladin

[strong forum]

nope.

bear and bdk do more dmg than pally

[chilly brook]

There's no way paladin doesn't get hit with a nerf bat

[strong forum]

by worlds

[chilly brook]

It's been oppressively nuts this entire xpac

[strong forum]

pally always has nutty dmg in raid

forever and always

[chilly brook]

yea but it's not just raid

[strong forum]

their m+ dmg is just like everybody elses

[chilly brook]

like we did meh damage in raid in BFA

and look what happened

[strong forum]

why do people say that pally does OP dmg

its legit only in raid

in m+ bear will break meters

in raid bdk will with current tuning break meters

[blazing condor]

guess its just a bias cus they're over-represented on high end level

high high

[strong forum]

are they tho

[blazing condor]

man idk i dont even play

#1 tank for m+ used to be pala and you see them from naowh and other rwf dudes

but idek

[strong forum]

like, andy was pretty much the only pally in top 10

FOREVER

[mighty valley]

don't need to play wow to have an opinion on wow, no one else holds themselves to that standards

just say shit, see what happens

[blazing condor]

average wow player won't care about the other 9 highest

[strong forum]

this is +25 representation

[blazing condor]

i have no opinion on nerfs

[strong forum]

in s2*

[blazing condor]

druids seems to be the "m+ tank" and pala the "raid tank" i guess

but pala being #1 m+ also affects the general opinion on them as a class

[strong forum]

yea

look at current

you can already see the trend

[blazing condor]

damn we really aint liked lmao

[strong forum]

yeah absolutely

itll only get worse

[blazing condor]

pog

cant wait to theoretically prove people wrong

but also not play

[mighty cairn]

im pretty sure we get weaker

with double lego

[strong forum]

na

[mighty valley]

just makes it easy to be Best Warrior On My Server

[strong forum]

we have among the best legendaries in the game

but it doesnt matter

we have the worst m+ tierset

[blazing condor]

what an outrage

amirite fellas

[sullen quartz]

thank you for advice :)

[strong forum]

but hey

ive played around with the APL

and we're gonna look alot better on sims

[blazing condor]

[chilly brook]

that's like a 3 head take

[lofty widget]

not even comparatively weaker?

[chilly brook]

Unrelated topic but does Symbols still interact with AM like this?

[chilly brook]

How do you get weaker from adding in a legendary that skyrockets your damage

At no cost to you

[strong forum]

we get stronger than VDHs get with double leggo

also get stronger than brew gets with double leggo

stronger than venthyr paladins

stronger than non-venthyr guardians

[lofty widget]

yeah makes sense, havent looked into other tanks double leggo

[chilly brook]

in terms of damage gained from lego def stronger than dk

cuz venthyr lego is poopoo and the necro one is only ok

[dawn sundial]

is prot warr easy to play?

[strong forum]

nop

[chilly brook]

yes but no

[strong forum]

its gonna be the pretty much the hardest tank to play optimally in 9.2

[chilly brook]

Prot is easy in that once you understand how you're supposed to mitigate, what it asks of you to do is not really that difficult. Stand in front of mobs, block the damage you can, and use defensives efficiently.

[lofty widget]

speaking of, how do you guys prevent overcapping rage when you proc outburst with LS up?

i find that i cant IP fast enough

[chilly brook]

The hard part is learning when to do all that

And what's dangerous

And what's not

Everything prot does is proactive

[strong forum]

you will end up overcapping during LS, its unavoidable

[chilly brook]

So when you reactively do something because you just got slapped

It's already too late

[strong forum]

even on sim

oh you just gave me a genius idea for sim

hol up

nvm was only 10dps gain apparently

haha

but look at this

even in my sim its overcapping rage

[chilly brook]

@strong forum are you playing necro in keys rn or still kyrian?

I assume Kyrian

[strong forum]

you dont play necro in keys

lose too much value from downtime

[chilly brook]

I figured as much

[craggy pilot]

what is the prio for valor again?

Shield > wep > trinkets > gear?

or what?

[strong forum]

shield >weap > trinket > accessories

[blazing condor]

Even tho thats true spending valor on wep is just

Just make it all cost the same tbh

If you gona have a weekly cap

Cringe ass system

[chilly brook]

just let us not have a cap

[chrome falcon]

Spending valour on weapon or shield feels so horrible when there are 2 shields and 2 1hs in the first 4 bosses

Having no cap on valour would be pretty bad

[blazing condor]

Wanna upgrade ur 2h? grats wait 5 weeks

why the capp?????

[chilly brook]

I don't think it would be bad at all

[blazing condor]

Grr!

[craggy pilot]

but HC ilvl is lower than rank 12 M+

[chilly brook]

Keys are like 40m a key

[craggy pilot]

except you get Valor for m2

[chrome falcon]

You could be 270 average within like a week it'd be silly

[chilly brook]

you cap every week by the time you did like 5 keys

[blazing condor]

It would be ”bad” in the sense that people would feel the need to spam dungeons for valor to upgrade for raids n shit

[chilly brook]

^

[blazing condor]

Which is just catering to rwf people

[chilly brook]

Which is their prerogative

[blazing condor]

but still

[chilly brook]

And it also assumes you get the item you want anyways

[chrome falcon]

You shouldn't be able to overgear the first half of the raid on mythic within the first 2 weeks

[craggy pilot]

i just got 259 Scale, should i upgrade it or not tho? 🤔

[blazing condor]

i dont necessarily mind the cap, but i mind the costs

[chrome falcon]

Which you easily would with no cap

[chilly brook]

You don't

[chrome falcon]

Yeah

[chilly brook]

Since upgrades are below mythic

[chrome falcon]

Because there's no cap

The first half of the raid isn't tuned for mythic ilvl though

[blazing condor]

I mean running hc splits is just as aids

The whole pre raid meta is kinda cringe

[chrome falcon]

For like 100 people sure

For everyone else it's fine

[chilly brook]

Idk

Let people do what they want

Give master looter back

[craggy pilot]

should i spend 800 valor on getting my Scale from 259 -> 265 ? 🤔

[chrome falcon]

I don't think the game gets better if you can just 1 shot the first half of the raid with full 270 gear by 2nd week of mythic

[chilly brook]

idk

[craggy pilot]

scale is pretty BIS right?

[chilly brook]

gear doesn't stop you from wiping

[craggy pilot]

unless you have Aegis high ilvl

[chilly brook]

like 95% of the time

[chrome falcon]

gear absolutely stops you wiping

[chilly brook]

It really doesn't

[chrome falcon]

well

[craggy pilot]

fuck what did i start? 🤣

[chrome falcon]

if gear's not important then why do you care so much about the cap

[chilly brook]

People fuck up mechanics regardless of gear

a lot

[chrome falcon]

;^)

yeah and the gear means that if you fuck up the mechanics you don't instantly wipe

[chilly brook]

?

You're dying if you fuck up on guardian

gear isn't saving you

[chrome falcon]

no, but it is saving your raid

because now they don't need you to be alive for the last burn

[chilly brook]

you're dying if you fuck up Desausage

You're dying if you fuck up skolex

[chrome falcon]

my response is the same.....

[chilly brook]

Most of these mechanics aren't livable if you mess up

[chrome falcon]

more gear = more dps = more room for error

whatever man i'm not arguing the idea that "gear makes bosses easier" with you

because that's probably THE most retarded conversation i'm ever going to have

[chilly brook]

Gear makes bosses easier in a vaccuum

[chrome falcon]

Gear makes bosses easier in practice, too

[chilly brook]

Gear did not make KT easier

It made it worse

[chrome falcon]

KT is an abortion of a boss and an OBVIOUS exception

[chilly brook]

It also made sylvanus p1 worse

[chrome falcon]

Yeah ok i was right this is the most retarded conversation I've ever had

[chilly brook]

And remnant

[dawn canyon]

eye also got scuffed

with shifting dam

however generally ur right

[chilly brook]

Gear increases throughput

[chrome falcon]

and throughput increases your margin for error

[chilly brook]

That's not really something I'm debating

[chrome falcon]

great

so we agree that i'm right

and gear makes bosses easier

[chilly brook]

But you're still at the mercy of your group not being retarded

Which gear doesn't control

In a vacuum where you play with consistent players 100% of the time you're right

[chrome falcon]

No, gear is LESS important if you're with consistent players 100% of the time

The more dipshits you have who get hit by stuff, the more important gear becomes

[chilly brook]

Where did I say gear was more or less important for the two groups?

If the argument is gear just makes it easier, then when everyone stays alive and is able to take advantage of said gear 100% it applies.

When you have 4 people who can't stay alive for whatever reason then you start relying on others to pick up the slack, gear will not overcome something like painsmith

[chrome falcon]

A group in full mythic gear gets 1 fewer set of chains/spikes per phase compared to a group in only half mythic gear

It absolutely makes it easier

[craggy pilot]

anyone have a good Venthyr soulbind for M+? just swapped for a Sanguine

[chilly brook]

not venthyr

lol

[chrome falcon]

God yeah there is literally nothing worse in this game than a Venthyr prot

[chilly brook]

Not sure what you'd run actually tbh

[chrome falcon]

Tell someone else to swap

Your group is legit trolling you

[chilly brook]

Nadjia is my thought

But I also know Theotar got pretty good with his capstone

[craggy pilot]

mage, warlock, warrior

but i dont rly mind, as the tank is the lowest dps

[chilly brook]

fury warrior venthyr is better than you

being venth

especially this week

[chilly brook]

It's not just DPS, you're actively hurting your tankyness and your groups ability to do DPS

[craggy pilot]

hmm tru

[chilly brook]

Venthyr is less rage

[craggy pilot]

but Venthyr is a 50% dmg increase in Sanguine

[chilly brook]

Which means less defensives

I mean Venthyr Fury isn't bad in keys

It's worse than him being Kyrian or NF

[ionic zenith]

opening lanterns as a tank aint a good time

[chilly brook]

but not a crazy amount

[chilly brook]

This

[craggy pilot]

haha ye i know

[chilly brook]

you're completely vulnerable when doing it

[craggy pilot]

i been venthyr before 🤣

[waxen orbit]

Then you know you’re hamstringing yourself

I was Venthyr for first 2 months of S1 dawg. It ain’t worth it

Tell your fury warrior or your mage to swap

Frost mage still does decent damage as Venthyr

[strong forum]

pwar loses loads of dmg and surv

by being venthyr

especially starting next week

[safe thistle]

well shield slam is our most hard hitting ability 😛

[strong forum]

the only no-go covenant

[craggy pilot]

we did 14++ without Venthyr

so was np 😄

[craggy pilot]

because of venthyr lego being dog?

pretty nice team tbh

[strong forum]

ya starting with double leggo venthyr is EVEN worse than it already is

cuz the leggo does effectively nothing

compared to the powerhouse that is glory for raid

or EM / NF for the blue boys in m+

[craggy pilot]

cant wait to craft Unity helm, and then get Tier helm the same day ❤️

[strong forum]

well dont

just sit on belt

until you have 4p everywhere but helm

[craggy pilot]

i have Enduring Blow on belt :<

for my Arms spec

[strong forum]

then tough luck

[craggy pilot]

guess ill make it on wrist or some shit? 🤔

[mellow harbor]

what about unity on cloak?

[strong forum]

cloak is the absolute worst slot for a legendary

[mellow harbor]

so just let it stay on belt

[distant crystal]

wth

cloak is like 1 stat lower than wrist

why tho

[strong forum]

[distant crystal]

65 primary, 95 secondary

vs 66 96

lol

[craggy pilot]

ima make it on wrist 🙂

should be good enough

only issue is the fkin Rep 😄

[safe thistle]

revered is fairly easy with tonly world quest/story