Im excited for double lego and Bursting Sores Unholy Build
#protection
sweet summit
it's in "why" tier bc my pets are fucking dumb as shit when i play it
oblique garnet
Facts on the petclasses being dogshit
Pathin in wow is already bad doesnt need to add pet into the equation
mighty valley
Bron is already too much
oblique garnet
Bron is single handidly the reason i despise playing kyrian in M+
I mean in m+ atm guardian druid is only real tank even worth playing 
Why bother playing anything else when they need significantly more effort to not even come close
waxen orbit
Why bother playing anything else when they need significantly more effort to not...
Factual
strong forum
plush tendon
Why bother playing anything else when they need significantly more effort to not...
Because you lose braincells when playing Guardian
strong forum
the best list
oblique garnet
its not any different from us spamming revenge
waxen orbit
Idk bro
plush tendon
dawn canyon
winged gust
Because you lose braincells when playing Guardian
True but watching netflix or some Sort of stream and still not to die because you smash like 2-3 buttons is kinda nice 😄
fading quiver
Has anyone noticed that you're getting stacks of seeing red with free revenge procs?
fading quiver
thought seeing red was based on rage spent
strong forum
interesting discovery tbh
mighty valley
that's weird, i'll take it though
dawn canyon
fading quiver
just makes reprisal better
winged gust
has anyone time to check my normal logs and gimme some sort of feedback? I have a extremly hard time to survive at guild raid. Never had so much trouble before.
strong forum
yeah this boosts reprisals usage quite a bit
cuz you get 40 rage for every revenge
essentially
mighty valley
has anyone time to check my normal logs and gimme some sort of feedback? I have ...
everyone here always has time to check out logs
do you think we have interesting lives?
winged gust
well im just trying to be polite :E
winged gust
am i allowed to post? You can roast me there 😛
strong forum
ya
jagged pier
ya
winged gust
i even switched to necro because i regulary die during encounters, i played kyrian and loved it...
plush tendon
i even switched to necro because i regulary die during encounters, i played kyri...
Cov choice shouldnt affect your ability to survive or not
mighty valley
I don't think necro would necessarily be better before 4pc + 2 legendary
play what you like tbh
fading quiver
On lords you could probably be using spell reflect more aimy
strong forum
yeah youre not using SR ever
plush tendon
You also only used last stand once during your Skolex kill
winged gust
i didnt even know i can spellreflect something at that fight
gonna check that out
thanks!
fading quiver
not for that
mighty valley
SR just gives a flat magic damage reduction
fading quiver
just to take less magic damage
mighty valley
it doesn't even need to reflect something to be effective
winged gust
not thinking often about that thanks!
do you guys always spam shieldblock
even if you offtank?
mighty valley
not really "spam" - just try and have it up when you're taking melee hits
jagged pier
please say u are not spamming sheildblock tank or off tanking
waxen orbit
You also have sub-40% block uptime on some fights
waxen orbit
Oh didn’t see that
jagged pier
u always check gear first so u know what your working with
jagged pier
that being said skolex is mostly blockable damage
waxen orbit
No ya on my phone so it didn’t show it
mighty valley
haven't done lords yet, probably a good reprisal fight yeah?
plush tendon
yea, his death on Skolex was due to taking two unmitigated melees within 2 second of each other
jagged pier
well yes
but the wall isnt a bad idea on skolex but i run rep on it tbh
as u have SW for every other tank mechanic
so take anduin this is why u should be running repirsal or at least bolster to help with SB
literally most of the damage u are taking is blockable damage
winged gust
im running the wall because i think i cant utilize reprisal good in raids. I guess i should practice it then
jagged pier
u can
but u arent blocking like 50% of that melee damage here
thats an absoulte tune of unmitigated damage
which your just takign to the face
jagged pier
well yes and no
your hits arent bad for the wall
but if you run bolster or repisal on anduin
far far more of that damage will be mitigated through SB
just because you'll have it more
51% of the damage u took from anduin
and 50% of that u dont mitigate
so thats just 25% of the damage in the entire fight u are doing nothing to stop
winged gust
thanks for the feedback, im not sure how to do it better tbh. But ill try reprisal do you guys use the legy on feet already or legs?
im kinda stingy to buy 291 legs and then i might get the 2 piece
jagged pier
well it means u need to pay more attention to what your doing with SB
u dont have to use reprisal
so make sure u only use it was bosses are casting etc etc
as i also said above u can keep running the wall and play bolster
that will help a little bit
winged gust
ah thanks!
mighty valley
This is partially wall vs. reprisal but I still think your revenge casts are low, which means less SS casts too
winged gust
ye i do that cause im scared of being one shot
sometimes it feels like i get like 30-40% hits
jagged pier
yer but thats because your taking so much unmitigated damage
IP honestly doesnt really do anything
mighty valley
yeah if you solve the blocking problem you can start doing more revenge over IP, which means more rage income in general
winged gust
ah good point im always wondering if its even worth using IP if i dont have SB active but i could have it in used like i have charges
mighty valley
ideally you just cast IP to avoid overcapping, and to prep for some big hits you know are coming
and then all of your GCDs can be filled with rage generators + revenge
winged gust
thats crazy for me 😄 i need to try that
im spamming IP so much
big big thanks guys!!! for the help thats insane input!!
i love it
mighty valley
good luck!
winged gust
thanks you too!!
latent pier
So for SL, I'm mostly ignorant of how the other tanks work. Why is prot perceived to be so bad and is there anything you'd say it does better than the others?
strong forum
its very punishing and there are alot of dangerous unblockable mechanics
mainly dungeon and raid design which fucks us
mighty valley
we're good at handling steady melee damage and that's just rarely the thing that actually kills tanks
plus our good utilities are covered by DPS warriors
although for your average guild, having an extra rally is never bad
strong forum
the issue is also that theres ALOT of dmg intake on your group
and paladin/druid can very much help there aswell
latent pier
What changed going into SL? Just the damage from azerite cheese or like?
strong forum
the luxury of having more dispells from your tank is also insane
paladin/monk/druid all have additional dispells for your group which is quite valuable
mighty valley
it's mostly just encounter design that changed, SL has a lot of deadly casts
latent pier
I played prot/brew in legion, no tanks in BFA and now prot is pretty much my only tank.
Gotcha.
strong forum
ya if this was BFA wed still be very strong with our current kit
latent pier
What made it really strong in bfa? All I know about is how crazy the aoe damage was.
mighty valley
I mean, we can still do all content at a reasonable level, so if you like prot and can find a group that isn't meta obsessed, you'll be fine
latent pier
not the hows or the whys
strong forum
in BFA most dmg was blockable or REFLECTABLE dmg
mighty valley
but if you're pushing for +30s later in the season, pick something else I guess
strong forum
now its neither
latent pier
didn't prot reflect used to persist and not just instantly go from a single reflect?
strong forum
in legion
latent pier
feel like at the least the magic DR should persist for full duration
strong forum
yea, SR just vanishing after 1 reflect is indeed yike
but SR in itself is the strongest anti magic abiility in the game
due to its low CD
latent pier
Like I feel almost unkillable at times and squishier than a warlock at others, it's stupid.
jagged pier
its very punishing and there are alot of dangerous unblockable mechanics
lets not forget because is so punishing, a majority of ppl that play are playing it incorrectly, and that also fuels the fire of prot bad
strong forum
^
latent pier
Punishing in like, not managing shield block correctly and just getting slapped with it down?
strong forum
its not just that
latent pier
just wanted to clarify, it does seem really dumb the way it was designed.
strong forum
if a group member makes a mistake, you as a warrior get punished more for the mistakes of others due to the lack of selfheal
mighty valley
compare to, say, brew or bear where it feels almost impossible to play your mitigation wrong
radiant magnet
also punishing/rewarding from the skill requirement. I like the skill it takes to play prot warrior well, but recognize that guardian is stupidly easier.
latent pier
does veng dh's demon spike thing have the same 'get fucked' window or can they kinda maintain that indefinitely
jagged pier
well there SB management
rage management
the speed of the class
when/how to use CDs
distant crystal
demon spikes is like a way worse shieldblock ye
strong forum
demon spikes does nothing
jagged pier
does veng dh's demon spike thing have the same 'get fucked' window or can they k...
but thats the thing theres a lot u can do to not have the get fucked window
strong forum
legit nothing
distant crystal
it makes you spikey
latent pier
Like I don't have any issues with reprisal but I think it's stupid how you kinda need that to get good uptime.
radiant magnet
ppl dont press buttons
agreed
mighty valley
we're already the high apm tank class and 4pc is gonna shoot us through the roof
radiant magnet
or press the wrong buttons, spamming IP in panic
jagged pier
we're already the high apm tank class and 4pc is gonna shoot us through the roof
we will be with 4 set i think we are one of the highest without
but like me and nome over the expansion looking at logs
latent pier
Isn't the 4set kinda passive for us anyway
jagged pier
ppl at like 30-40 CPM
where they should be 63ish-70
latent pier
like we don't change much besides maybe using avatar defensively
jagged pier
Isn't the 4set kinda passive for us anyway
no
its more rage
free mitigation
free damage
latent pier
Is it more rage? lemme re-look up the bonus
mighty valley
technically passive but more rage = more buttons
strong forum
4p is stupid high rage gen
latent pier
oh wait yeah
strong forum
especially if paired with NL
mighty valley
on your opener you're gonna have to press IP constantly to avoid overcapping
latent pier
I misremembered and thought the avatar thing was just one outburst stack
mighty valley
and bleeding out that much rage = more avatar = more rage = even more buttons
latent pier
does it boost thunderclap's slow?
mighty valley
yeah
latent pier
Dayum.
mighty valley
very niche use cases though
latent pier
only slam?
jagged pier
yer pretty much
latent pier
that's uber lame.
mighty valley
the only time i can think is if you need to kite in m+ and your group has absolutely no aoe cc
clap and leave
latent pier
If you pop avatar with more than one stack, do the leftover stacks carry over or does it waste them
mighty valley
yeah they fixed it on PTR to be separate buffs
strong forum
1 buff is seeing red
avatar grants outburst
so no interaction anymore between those 2 if you already have stacks from seeing red
fading quiver
that feel with back to back buff shield slams
strong forum
very 👌
fading quiver
sometimes i just sit on an outburst and spam revenges to bank another one... just for the dopamine rush
since no 4pc yet
latent pier
is it noticeable at all when it comes to damage or not at all
fading quiver
I notice a big 40k crit that pops up on my nameplates
jagged pier
it doesnt
strong forum
besides anger management
fading quiver
jagged pier
well u should never play HR
strong forum
yah
strong forum
fading quiver
but anduin is just a double damage boost so just divide by 2
mighty valley
some phrases just trigger a fight response in here
dark lark
AAAAAAAA
jagged pier
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
dark lark
Human Resources
mighty valley
Also bad
dark lark
don't play it
sweet forum
is it worth taking 252 tier set piece over 278 shield?
strong forum
is it worth taking 252 tier set piece over 278 shield?
na
252 means normal raid, which youll easily be able to drop
278 shield only drops from mythic raid and chances are much slimmer
plush tendon
Doesnt a 278 shield drop from both Guardian and Skolex though?
mighty valley
if you're farming mythic, sure
only dropping for shield classes, so less trading too
plush tendon
I feel like those are the first two going down by many once tier is gathered
mighty valley
I mean it depends on where you're at, but you've got normal + heroic chances at tier pieces, and more people will be able to trade soon
I'd take shield to be better at m+ now, but having said that I wouldn't fault anyone for taking tier piece to get to the fun zone faster
strong forum
chances are still higher youll get 252/265 tier way before a 278 shield
and for a first boss guardian is VERY hard
mighty valley
yeah this isn't gonna be like tarragrue pugs immediately
strong forum
less than 100 guilds have killed first boss so far
surreal plinth
Hey all, I missed the entire 9.1 patch and am slowly gearing my prot warrior. I'm running 10 keys but struggling on bigger pulls with reprisal. Would crafting the wall be a complete waste to help in keys while I'm still a lower ilevel?
surreal plinth
I also feel like I'm not making 100% usage of reprisal
strong forum
then you should learn that
cuz it will be the legendary to play
forever and always
fading quiver
make the aoe revenge legendary and go brrrrrrrr
strong forum
just keep on practicing, find those moments where you can utilise charge properly
and basically intervene a close target on CD
mighty valley
even if you're only getting so-so value out of reprisal, if you're dying really hard the issue probably isn't really reprisal related
surreal plinth
Really only dying when the mythic raider in the key group is telling me to pull big (3-4 packs of mobs) I don't die immediately but I'm blowing everything and end up dying
I'm only 238 ilevel so I'm sure my gear is part of the issue
strong forum
you rarely ever pull 3-4 packs
thats just him being a dumb dps
you pull according to what you can handle and what is smart
mighty valley
while you're still learning, pull like a normal person
surreal plinth
sweet, that's basically what I've been saying to myself as I don't really struggle otherwise
mighty valley
then push your limits once you're comfortable
strong forum
if you end up dying cuz dps arent using CC or interrupt then its just dumb
jagged pier
only logs will tell us
mighty valley
if you end up dying cuz dps arent using CC or interrupt then its just dumb
this is so important for people to learn - everyone still acts like pulling big is just about how good the tank is
but it mostly adds stress on dps controlling the pull
surreal plinth
Yeah that's basically what's happening, or the first set of mobs in DOS with the two enrage mobs
or volleys going off on theater
theres a lot happening our group but I'm trying to maximize my survivability over dps right now
mighty valley
lowering your DPS to compensate for dps players not playing well is a death spiral
surreal plinth
I'm not trying to be mythic raider or +18 keystone master. But still..
mighty valley
keys are just a knowledge + coordination check until the really high levels
know prio targets, get the right things kicked
everyone gets to blast and win
tanks can't just run the show any more
strong forum
tank survivability is a group effort
unless youre a bear
bear is so broken they dont care at all
mighty valley
yeah pugs love a tank that's an unkillable ball of dps every 3 mins
strong forum
with tier bear is that just permanent
its not even every 3min
cuz they get incarn from tier 🙂
and infinite dmg and healing from tier 🙂
VDH gets to be immortal with tier once they have 6+ targets
BDK gets to be immortal with 5+ targets but still oof
monk gets to be immortal
surreal plinth
Well thanks for the validation yall. I appreciate it, between raid lead telling me prot is garbage and I need to play paladin (cringe) and not being able to "pull big" I was about to bench my warrior which I've mained forever
strong forum
pwar just takes a bit more effort
surreal plinth
Is the wall geared more towards raid then?
jagged pier
no
strong forum
wall has fallen out of favour for everything since feb 2021
reprisal is the legendary to play everywhere
wall is only played if you absolutely need sub 1min access to SW
mighty valley
it's decent and lower effort for a couple raid fights each tier
like you can get your cotank killed on skolex if you're not smart about reprisal
but for most cases there's no comparison
lilac bloom
do you guys know which 2 legendaries are good together.. cos of the link thing for prot warriros?
strong forum
link thing?
lilac bloom
we can wear 2 legendary.. but have to finish off the main story line
i'm not sure what 2 legendary i can use
i heard they have to be 2 different covenants
strong forum
its 1 normal
and 1 cov
so its gonna be reprisal + covenant legendary
pretty simple
devout hill
yo is it possible to get a shield from the hadja vendor in the new zone?
idk which one to buy
lilac bloom
whaats the best covenant legendary for warrior
i mean reprisal is kyrian
or is it
sorry my misunderstanding
its normal
so what is the best covenant legendary for warrior
i do have elysian might
radiant magnet
you get one called Unity. it swaps when you swap
lilac bloom
ok.. i just want to know what covenant legendary i should go for .. at the moment i'm kyrian.. so i guess elysian? plus reprisal
fervent star
strong forum
ok.. i just want to know what covenant legendary i should go for .. at the momen...
you dont craft a cov legendary
you get the belt which automatically switches cov
lilac bloom
Oh i see
whole sphinx
Just wear reprisal now. Wait for unity and u solid
sweet summit
aegis -> wall -> phial
limpid pawn
any of you guys play prot pally?
lilac bloom
i'm doing anduin everytime i'm tanking anduin and shield comes up i die when i step in
any tips
this iss when the other group goes down
ember token
just slightly side-step out of it after it goes down once/twice, dont stand in it until it goes off
mellow bridge
Tanking inside the shield shouldn't be too hard
Just use some extra defensives at high stacks
As long as SB is up you should be gucchi + maybe a ds or sw if you hit 10+ stacks
mighty valley
Why might this happen
lilac bloom
just slightly side-step out of it after it goes down once/twice, dont stand in i...
thx il l try that
lilac bloom
As long as SB is up you should be gucchi + maybe a ds or sw if you hit 10+ stack...
ill try that 2 thx
limpid pawn
they gotta fix prot war
firstly I think that reprisal play should be just axed and replaced w/ something else
mighty valley
that will happen naturally with 10.0
reprisal is fun as a playstyle that lasts for one expansion
urban portal
oh thats def not normal
mighty valley
oh there's just a phys and a shadowfrost component
i guess that shows up as separate
mighty valley
think this has to be low anduin energy like you first said
p1 intermission is nothing, p2 intermission is hell
limpid pawn
where do we check tank representation on raider io?
urban portal
mighty valley
warriors are the cool hipster underdogs 😎
errant oriole
I wish venthyr was good to play 😦
mighty valley
same
plucky hearth
should i still be using mythic ows for prot in keys?
errant oriole
whats your guys opinion on night fae?
limpid pawn
2nd best?
errant oriole
from kyrian?
errant oriole
oh
urban portal
no reason to
it has a small niche of being safer while executing
but necrolord brings more execute power
errant oriole
cause of the banner or you talking the soulbind?
urban portal
both
ashen jug is weaker on venthyr
and condemn hits just as hard as execute
so you dont actually have a covenant in execute phase
errant oriole
that blows they should of given prot something different for venthyr
limpid pawn
lol
urban portal
the whole theme of condemn is flawed
limpid pawn
condemn as a prot is dumb
urban portal
i understand why
limpid pawn
should be a defensive ability
urban portal
but its not what you need
well it is
its literally ignore pain but with an execute attached
which is honestly not bad
errant oriole
not bad but compared to the other options >_>
urban portal
you know how people say dont press IP because it doesnt reset shield slam
now it does
waxen orbit
not bad but compared to the other options >_>
Naw by itself it really is just bad
Limited window of disregardable extra absorb from Condemn
limpid pawn
uh, people not using IP - throwing
waxen orbit
urban portal
uh
thats not how it works
if condemn was somehow accessible during 100% of the fight but only became strong at the last 20
then it would be good
waxen orbit
uh, people not using IP - throwing
I mean yea hit it every now and then to avoid capping but it’s not a button you hit often unless you’re doing high M+
waxen orbit
if condemn was somehow accessible during 100% of the fight but only became stron...
I could see that being alright yea
urban portal
in something like sire
i can see it being ok
where you need the boss to die AND you need to live at the same time
also increase the cap on condemn absorb
being able to build like a 30k absorb on the taunt swap back isnt bad
plucky hearth
what are your other options?
259 ows, 252 aegis, 252 matrix, 246 scale, 265 elegy, 252 bells
waxen orbit
Yea 259 OWS is pretty shplonky
plucky hearth
feeling like aegis for scary keys and matrix for carries?
waxen orbit
Aegis + Matrix is also a decent combo if you’re struggling to live
crystal iris
Yeah I usually do aegis + scale
fallen relic
I have the worlds dumbest warrior question. Ignore Pain says that it's a 50% DR up to N damage taken. Shield block is a 100% block chance, but my DR is less than ignore pain. Why is shield block prioritized? Is it because of critical blocks?
fading quiver
ignore pain gets deleted in 1 auto, shield block lasts for the whole duration no matter what
fallen relic
Ah, my keys are too low then. My IP is up for quite awhile.
So once IP is only lasting a second or two there's no point in using it unless I really really need supplemental DR or magic right?
fading quiver
shield block is just better in every way, its a flat % and doesnt run out
most only use IP for big hits they know are coming or magic dasmage.
or to prevent rage capping
i mean, im ilevel 260 and 1 ignore pain only blocks about 15k damage
shield block costs 10 less rage and blocks 30% damage
i feel like if you're getting hit by pretty much anything its way more worth to hit SB
fallen relic
Yeah I keep shield block up, but looking at the tool tip for both of them, I thought if IP is staying up it clearly reduces more damage
fading quiver
kinda, but its not rage efficient at all
40 rage for 15k absorb, or 30 rage to block 30% of all incoming melee damage for 6 seconds. you just have to get hit for about 30k a couple times for it to be worth more
(also increases ss damage by 30%)
fallen relic
what are you doing when you run out of shield block? in BFA there was basically a rotation
fading quiver
Thats the good part, you dont.
with reprisal you can keep it up for a long time
if you're in M+ that should be long enough for the pull
and in raid it should be long enough until a taunt swap
fallen relic
oh, yeah i'm trying to get reprisal
i figured it was key to the m+ spec
just haven't had the torghast it comes from up yet, and haven't had time to level up twisting corridors.
fading quiver
its also the reason we stack haste
more haste = lower cd on shield block
among other benefits
fallen relic
this is more work than BDK 
fading quiver
its definitely not the easiest tank to master
fading quiver
even more rewarding once we get double lego and 4pc
a properly played prot warrior gets to hold onto banner forever
fallen relic
i love the shouting.
radiant magnet
I like to think it annoys people in LFR
fallen relic
for me it's like the shouting, and also leap and charge
mighty valley
You can read how much damage each IP cast is absorbing for 40 rage
SB blocks a significant portion of all auto attacks no matter what for its duration for 30 rage
If you do the math, in most realistic situations, it's astronomically more damage prevented
fading quiver
i mean, if you're tanking boars in durotar....
mighty valley
True, things are a little different in the durotar goat meta
urban portal
what are you doing when you run out of shield block? in BFA there was basically ...
You run tf away
Sl tanking experience
craggy pilot
Wait plka is playing Pala now? 😱😱
jagged pier
he was playing it last patch
craggy pilot
ah ok
urban portal
Wait plka is playing Pala now? 😱😱
Pala and brew
craggy pilot
im having a surprising amount of fun on my pala tho
sad that my warr feels so squishy now
blazing condor
zereth mortis wormhole when
west walrus
Yeah, getting it when we no longer need to get there 🤣
blazing condor
pvp 
west walrus
Did not they remove it?
west walrus
I'll test it!
sweet summit
yes
depends on how early speedman dies and how early the rest of the pack dies
but should work with 4 or more brain cells total in the group
blazing condor
Follow up question: yall think it'd be worth it?
nice mobs to skip but maybe not worth if you gotta pull extra in arden
but those pulls are already kinda efficient in arden
sweet summit
i do that
blazing condor
sweet summit
mellow bridge
Follow up question: yall think it'd be worth it?
that's fine
you can play or skip the 3 oils at the end, either one works
skipping all drills and lubricators is very good
blazing condor
im literally a 5 man premade and they still fucked it up
killed Vy and not Wo
and then when we were gonna do normal invis
they pulled all packs
sweet summit
sweet summit
ye lubes and drills are omega inefficient
blazing condor
m+ is very fun
idle mortar
I feel super squishy even with SB up in 15’s, are y’all able to face tank most pulls w/o kiting till it runs out?
256ish Ilvl as prot running reprisal
blazing condor
Depends on the healer ive found
And dungeon
Did a 16 halls yesterday with a meh healer and that shit was hurting
blazing condor
Sd has a lot of things that can hurt
Wrack souls, traps, dance thrust thing, bleed from gargoyle
And just heavy hitting stuff in general
deft hinge
it goes trough ur shield, trough ur plate and makes u bleed
idle mortar
oh im bleedin all right
idk just in general i feel like i take way more damage than other classes. I usually DPS but have started tanking a bit for the guild and to pug cause pugging keys as dps is near impossible rn
mental scarab
I feel super squishy even with SB up in 15’s, are y’all able to face tank most p...
When i got my 265shield from 246 i was back to my old self again, but Some mobs to magic melee to so think about that
idle mortar
ahhh.... yea does it make that big of a difference? still using the heroic sanctum shield..
mental scarab
Yea
Its day and night for us
Its the biggest upgrade you can get as prot war
Shield Max ivl then all other stuff
idle mortar
kk didnt realize it still made that big of a difference, ill work on that then lol
mental scarab
Go for it
lime urchin
Post logs if you want to talk about your squishy-ness! Otherwise it’s just very generic tips you can be given.
idle mortar
yea, thats all im really lookin for honestly. dont have any M+ logs just seeing if others feel the same way about our survivability compared to other tanks
ty tho guys appreciate it.
mellow bridge
killed Vy and not Wo
tbf those relics are fucked up
Wo is so far back compared to the others
you can even pull the pack and not pull Wo
lmao
blazing condor
thats true
but i literally can't excuse it lmao
especially when we're all on voice
and im like
"hey yo kill wo, yo"
and they just mongo aoe like the dps they are
deft hinge
and they just mongo aoe like the dps they are
haha i have same problem in my group
crystal iris
excude the pack after purple pull?
blazing condor
if you want value from the lamp you can always pull the smallies (in the room after first boss) together with the first lamp pack
craggy pilot
and i used to go left instead of right in the circle
blazing condor
just backpedal back there
that way you can skip the more annoying pack which is in the room to the left of the lamp
craggy pilot
just backpedal back there
what lamp? i usually pull the blue on that lamp
unless were thinking 2 different things
crystal iris
this is what ive got to work with for trinkets, ive been running both shard and scale in M+
what about keys where im not terrified of dying? and Raid, what do you guys like?
crystal iris
I wonder phial vs eye
phial is more ST but zero defensive
i guesss the eye can be offensive and def?
strong forum
if you want middle ground then dont bother
for normal keys id say
aegis + phial
for dmg, you go phial + eye, for ultra overkill turtle, aegis + scale
crystal iris
what about raid?
strong forum
full dmg
strong forum
mastery? lol
if they play IQD its for damage
but for raid choice is the same generally
crystal iris
for pally isnt mastery = damage
crystal iris
wierd they all run it
strong forum
cuz its defensive
crystal iris
in raid? interesting
strong forum
mastery is just a flat atk power increase for them
the same way its for us
but its better or equal to vers for them so they run a mix of haste + mastery/vers
waxen orbit
stumbled across <@!203999248931356673>'s twitter account
Meh
I usually use that as a dumping ground
And to get memes
mellow bridge
why not pull the pack in the blue?
blue pack on fortified kills groups unless you have good coordinated aoe stops
way too many random casters
i guess in low keys it'd be fine but the higher you go, the more you should skip that group on fort at least
waxen orbit
This is a hold W route dawg
Let me log on my computer hold on
I’ll get you that good shit
craggy pilot
i guess in low keys it'd be fine but the higher you go, the more you should skip...
hmm ye ok, used to do it in S2 tho 🤔
felt like they died rly fast
but tbh the lamp buff seems so lackluster, it only lasts for 1min...
its 10% dmg for 1minute right? 🤔
oh i thought it was 1% pr stack up to 10%
distant crystal
i love lamp
strong forum
lamp is why SD dmg meters dont rly count
just like NW meters didnt count prior to the details change
radiant magnet
i'd rather it be a clickable button like torghast thing. give it to us, let us decide when to use it next.
craggy pilot
just like NW meters didnt count prior to the details change
well you still get the 25% spear increase 🤔
radiant magnet
but meh
strong forum
well you still get the 25% spear increase 🤔
Ya but it's not literally getting +3k dps
It's moreso a bit more boss dps
jagged pier
pretty that depends on group size
u can clear them in hc
no theres 1 more ring in hc u need to go through
craggy pilot
is the purple pull what should usually be done for urn?
i feel like it is a bit much
craggy pilot
This is a hold W route dawg
hold W route is the best tho 
lofty cape
Where do we craft our leggo now?
craggy pilot
Where do we craft our leggo now?
boots i reckon (reprisal)
lime urchin
Depends a bit on the patrol when you go right tho
craggy pilot
Depends a bit on the patrol when you go right tho
ye the patrol is in the green tho
lofty cape
boots i reckon (reprisal)
Thx, that's what I suspected since pants are tier
lime urchin
No I mean the patrol when you turn right when you enter that room
That patrols to the lamp on the right side (when you enter that room)
A bit like this, pull sizes depending on how comfortable you are with your pew pew and healer
craggy pilot
ye just thinking how i can plan a 10 stack urn into boss
the 2nd boss is always the troublemaker
lime urchin
You clear a bit on the left side and track back
Line of sight the stuff into a room
And bobs your uncle
craggy pilot
and usually i lust boss 1-2-4
hmm, im alrdy at 100% without going right side at all
craggy pilot
ah ye
lime urchin
But I haven’t done much in 9.2 yet tho, so maybe there are some new tricks possible with the new affix
Maybe the old farts here know
naive hatch
Are there any prot warrior streamers/youtube fellas pushing higher keys? I struggle a lot even at 15s and want to watch some perspective content
urban portal
they all rerolled
jagged pier
Are there any prot warrior streamers/youtube fellas pushing higher keys? I strug...
sense or plka might have some stuff out there
but if your struggle in 15s theres a whoel ray of reasons, but hard to tell without logs
have a bdk co tank
naive hatch
but if your struggle in 15s theres a whoel ray of reasons, but hard to tell with...
i know there's many reasons, it's why i want to watch someone else do it lmfao
jagged pier
u could also just taunt leap taunt the 2 important adds
naive hatch
but if your struggle in 15s theres a whoel ray of reasons, but hard to tell with...
also thank you very much :)
lime urchin
Go rewatch Plka’s streams on twitch. But he plays high pusherinos so it’s not really 1:1 translatable to doing 15s.
strong forum
Rn he's in pally and brew prison for progress
lime urchin
Yes, but I think it is still possible to rewatch older streams
And he is just a nice guy to watch stream, regardless of tonk
dawn canyon
That's big true
jagged pier
@sweet summit stream when?
dawn canyon
Andybrew also great for general tanking business once he's out if rwf jail
sweet summit
crystal iris
aegis + phial
Phial is like no damage
mighty cairn
true
i dont think i would have ever gotten ce
if i couldnt watch sense's pov and copy everything he did
sweet summit
we love sense
mighty cairn
a true pillar of the community
strong forum
Phial is like no damage
its the most dmg dealing trinket in the game LOL
what did you expect
crystal iris
idk i thought someone said it was like 8-10% of their DPS
crystal iris
so maybe they just did no damage
crystal iris
k so thats not worth it at all
strong forum
?
mossy peak
i'd believe it was 8-10% of someone's damage, but that also doesn't mean it's a good trinket...
strong forum
you will never see a trinket do more dmg than that
3.5% is fuckloads
for a trinket
strong forum
secondary stat trinkets arent as good for tanks
as they are for dps
because tanks dont deal as much dmg to scale off of the stats
and even for dps classes phial is one of the best trinkets in the game
judging by this screenshot, im assuming you did around 8k dps?
or is your phial just very low ilvl
strong forum
well even in m+ for raw dps its the best trinket
honestly that phial just looks to be low ilvl
strong forum
@chrome falcon has 4p but i dont think he has any videos
eager star
Does anyone else find that the raid seems to be really prot war unfriendly (lots of unblockable moves)?
jagged pier
nope not really
alot of the bosses are mostly melee damage
which is
and big tank hits have always been magic for years now because they got rid of magic defensive
as a TLDR
anduin for instance is 50% melee
chrome falcon
@eager star nah man have you seen how long these fights are? 2 min execute phase we're broken as fuck B)
also yeah sorry haven't recorded anything with 4 piece but
i can confirm i just hit 2 100k shield slams in 2 globals on anduin intermission
so it's pretty good
dense hound
hey there, can anyone please tell me where i can find effective hits blocked/mitigated/shieldblock uptime in warcraftlogs ? 🙂
reprisal or not i always get 70-80% mitigated in my logs 
mighty valley
Damage Taken, Melee row, mouse over Hits
dense hound
thanks 🙂
jagged pier
any prot warrior streams/videos with 4 piece yet
if i ever got a tier piece i might
killed 2 more tier bosses today
no tier pieces
tawdry dirge
anyonelse ahve the issue that the mouse suddenly jumps?
mighty cairn
Does anyone else find that the raid seems to be really prot war unfriendly (lots...
this tier is way more prot warrior friendly than 9.1
fading quiver
This is an interesting log for Anduin, whats a "Squeak!"?
Is that just 'melee' but bugged somehow?
sweet summit
padding cpm...
fading quiver
yeah, dudes pushing 90 cpm
jagged pier
yer its a toy that u can just spam
it doesnt matter
pretty sure is macro'd into his spells
strong forum
ye
chrome falcon
0.5% anduin wipe must execute harder
blazing condor
gcd diff
chrome falcon
So
Genuine question
For single target damage, do we think that Vitality Sacrifice might actually be better than reprisal as our second legendary
shut summit
:squeak:
chrome falcon
Dude i don't know how vitality sacrifice works i only saw it exists today
If you can actually get 9% more damage for 20 out of ever 30 seconds that's better than reprisal for single target but
If the legendary just doesn't do what it says then that's fine
chrome falcon
rip
dire oasis
@fading quiver squeak
fading quiver
squeak!
patent osprey
squeak!!
teal swift
waxen orbit
Mythic Aegis and a 246 phial
Because I can't get anything better than that phial at the current moment
latent pier
Should I be swapping out OWS?
mighty valley
it's still very good, what are your options
latent pier
252 phial, heroic defense matrix, 233 ticking sack and ocular gland mythic
My tank trinkets being a 239 scale and a 239 aegis
mighty valley
ows + aegis sounds best for tough m+
scenic mural
is this the part where i flex my 272 scale
latent pier
/throws tomato
urban portal
not 278 tho
waxen orbit
252 phial, heroic defense matrix, 233 ticking sack and ocular gland mythic
Unless OWS is mythic run 252 phial
Watch all these options still be dogshit
tame jasper
What trinkets you guys rocking for M+?
252 aegis and 252 fatescriber
cinder nova
#pvp is dead af - any you goobers got a recommendation for prot buy order on conquest?
jagged pier
prot in pvp :KEKW:
deft hinge
should be any dmg since it does not specify
sand pebble
kyr replacement for the dps!
twin raptor
is reprisal 291 still crafted at feet?
jagged pier
ye
raven hatch
was on skolex heroic last night, I taunted the boss on the taunt swap and he didn't swap to me, before the end of the riftmaw cast I then aoe taunted the boss because the first taunt didn't work... he still didn't swap and killed my off-tank... what could cause the boss to ignore both my taunts?
strong forum
Too many taunt swaps
Bosses go immune to taunt if you taunt 3 times in a row, within 18sec
gentle finch
For outburst seeing red stacks at what point is using thunderclap more damage than shield slam? And yes I know shield slam is more rage gen just wondering on the damage part.
strong forum
You don't
You never use it on TC for dmg because it's less damage regardless of target count than what SS gives you
gentle finch
Threat on multiple mobs
strong forum
Because from the empowered SS you get 45 rage which means 2 revenge casts
And those 2 revenge casts will do more dmg than the empowered TC
gentle finch
True
strong forum
The absolutely only possible scenario to use empowered TC is the very first global when starting a pack purely for threat purposes
Because you're gonna frontload a billion rage with spear/bv/ravager/avatar
blazing condor
Gonna get 4p then have 1k wasted rage just cus
jagged pier
killed hc anduin last night and lords + reygalon normal
did i get tier pieces?
no
no i didnt
ionic fern
sweet summit
!
nova rover
Is it now Heavy Reprcussions over Anger Management?
jagged pier
no
sweet summit
HR is higher SB uptime but AM has insane value and synergy with out tier set bonuses
ionic fern
Where'd you guys get so smart?
sweet summit
you 
jagged pier
since u been in hibernation, we had to grow bigger brains
lime urchin
Clicking?
sweet summit
feels even worse overcapping :/
sweet summit
:/
strong forum
Where'd you guys get so smart?
Defo not school
lime urchin
Woijoj school! 
thorny laurel
Whats the general consensus about AM vs HR when we get 4P in M+? I assume its worth it then to swap to AM right? Tho the extra rage from HR that works with 2P also feels pretty nice
lime urchin
What has changed that people are asking many HR questions again?
strong forum
Lot of people thought HR was the go-to talent when it wasnt, and now they can almost see the insane synergy between AM and the tierset so they're not certain
nova rover
A lot of the top key tanks playing HR
arctic bone
so prot warr is not high key +20 material at least this season?
nova rover
Top tanks are getting there now, I’d say it’s a bit behind but it’s all about the players
sweet summit
i'll hopefully do some 20s today if we have gamers online
arctic bone
so need those chads first 😛
ionic fern
i'll hopefully do some 20s today if we have gamers online <:okayge:9176468125197...
I'm online
arctic bone
okay good so prot still gonna be fine was worried I need to become a fury warrior 😭
strong forum
But all tanks will be able to do high keys, but yes pwar will be the "weakest" still plenty strong
jagged pier
20s are high keys? 🤔
strong forum
You gna do fine well into the 25+s
sweet summit
i'd say a 20 streets is pretty fucking high 
arctic bone
thats perfect for me then 😛 I only want to do to the point I get TPs to dungeons 😄
I tried a +15 as 249 ilvl prot in first week, I got smacked so hard :/
strong forum
Shouldve been fine?
arctic bone
ok cool 😛 btw, whats the best WA to use as prot tank or just tank in general for M+'s 😛
sweet summit
whatever works for you
arctic bone
to bring myself to higher levels, only went to 2.1k rio last season though was my first time tanking in pve 😛 since returning from 9.0.5 in January 15th 2022 😮 haha
strong forum
There's no must have WAs for m+ besides the standard ones that show you your buff uptime on Block etc
sweet summit
i recommend afenars for warrior specific, but i use adriox'
and there are plenty smaller dungeon specifix WA you can use
strong forum
I recommend mine should be reasonably up to date
wide trellis
I thought nobody plays protection warrior
sweet summit
ya nomes good too
jagged pier
i'd say a 20 streets is pretty fucking high <a:hmmNod:940376932560822372>
personally i think streets is still overtuned well first room trash
arctic bone
links please 😛 or navigation to find perhaps 🙂
arctic bone
I thought nobody plays protection warrior <:weird:718676218500874320>
we dont want to go the fury route, I tried it in wotlk, never touched the spec again in my life 😛
light halo
Preach it jakey
strong forum
jagged pier
ew
arctic bone
https://wago.io/Zt_bTl_7s
😘
jagged pier
old school boomer ui
strong forum
sweet summit
jagged pier
light halo
So I’m trying to get into tanking and I keep getting gear with mastery. How bad is it or is it okay to use if it’s higher ilvl?
jagged pier
if it has more strength u put it on
strong forum
Other stats are just slightly gooder~
But all that matters is ilvl
arctic bone
ya strength stat weights are like 30% higher than any secondary if I read correctly
wide trellis
we dont want to go the fury route, I tried it in wotlk, never touched the spec a...
fury is the only way
light halo
Oh cool. Just been in the mindset that if it doesn’t have vers avoid it. Thanks
jagged pier
vers 
arctic bone
fury is the only way <:Rampage:592471610536099840>
feels like a caveman meets crash bandicoot
jagged pier
vers does jack shit
light halo
Really
jagged pier
yes
light halo
Well dam
ionic fern
I mean..vers does SOMETHING but it's not miles ahead of any other stat.
strong forum
Vers is a nice to have, but not a must get
strong forum
Die fury die
ionic fern
Hmmmmmmmmmm