Ask him for me
#protection
sturdy sable
distant crystal
also the easiest fix for that is just you taking boss first right
sturdy sable
But the warrior isnt the "maintank"
vernal vale
^
strong forum
distant crystal
look at me
sturdy sable
10 bucks thats the reason
strong forum
You can't be serious
distant crystal
i'm the maintank now
sturdy sable
LMAO i was right again
strong forum
This is too dumb I can't make that up
sturdy sable
Tell this gm to come to prot chat so we can tear him a new one
vernal vale
We are doing heroic.
strong forum
I'd get the fuck out of there real quick
distant crystal
You can be diplomatic and just say that warrior seems to do more dmg right out the gate so it'd be better if you take boss first
it's not a main/off tank thing on who gets boss first anyway lol
strong forum
Maintank/offtank haven't existed for the better of 10 years
distant crystal
idk you still see that a lot tho lol
tanks jockeying for the alpha role
telling the other tank how to do stuff and taking the harder mechanics for themselves when they exist
jagged pier
Maintank/offtank haven't existed for the better of 10 years
i need to be maintank for my ego
strong forum
telling the other tank how to do stuff and taking the harder mechanics for thems...
i do that cuz i can control it better
but i also tell my cotank to tank specific things more when they suit his class better
play to your classes strengths
mighty valley
Paladin can't hold threat and the GM decides it's because of... charge???
jagged pier
@strong forum is sigma tank
strong forum
hell yeah
distant crystal
I'm the ligma tank
strong forum
who's the fugma tank
distant crystal
but if I was that pally i'd be /w telling the other guy to take boss first
jagged pier
im the DN tank
mighty valley
tell this gm they're beating his ass in the warrior discord
jagged pier
i feel like im missing somthig
distant crystal
strong forum
im kinda fascinated that people will blame as much as they can on class
instead of player
jagged pier
bit they have a smooth
strong forum
thats like blaming a car for being slow when the driver isnt changing gears
jagged pier
🧠
strong forum
like... what
jagged pier
wait someone being blamed for somthing?
mighty valley
yeah, guy came in and said his GM is telling him not to charge on pull
west walrus
I depleted a mists, because everyone was waiting for me to put a skull on EACH clone :D
I died, rip :D
mighty valley
wait what do you even mean
mighty valley
putting a skull on all four???
jagged pier
on the one u need to kill
mighty valley
oh the allcaps each confused me
distant crystal
as usual the answer is to use charge
signal plover
Each set* ayyyy
distant crystal
charge to the kill target clone ez visual
west walrus
Yeah, a fox was too close, my bad x)
distant crystal
then charge back to barely kick pattycake in time
actually charging away is how you get other people pattycaked i think
mighty valley
i don't think pattycake can ever target someone else if you're alive
distant crystal
it can
i got it on my disc priest
that was terrifying
"Guess I'll just die?"
mighty valley
huh, i've been pretty far away and she's still cast it at me
mighty valley
something going hella wrong if disc priest has aggro
west walrus
Late S2, I was once unable to cut, because too far away :D
distant crystal
yeah was gonna say no shot i had aggro tho lol
jagged pier
well if u died and didnt have arrgo yet @mighty valley
distant crystal
the tank had like lept across the room to get an explosive or something
mighty valley
anyway back to "don't charge because our paladin can't do damage"
mellow bridge
I've had pattycake go on someone else too
but only if I was reaaaaally far away for w/e reason
prolly 40y+
quaint glade
any tips on how to not to be thin?
i have 26% versa 24% haste idk why im like paper thin
chilly brook
any tips on how to not to be thin?
yea
strong forum
somebody making mistakes
chilly brook
Press your buttons
strong forum
either you, your healer, or your dps
chilly brook
Stats don't matter
quaint glade
i mean my shield and ip on cds
strong forum
its not that simple
tropic linden
you don't IP on cd
plush tendon
Should link some logs
quaint glade
i will if ill finish one dungeon xd
plush tendon
yea, even a untimed log would work; would help people here see what you are doing, whats killing you, and what couldve been done to deal with those situations
as well as fix any rotational mistakes or wasted resource/CDs
quaint glade
Understood will log it now then
plush tendon
but stats are like >5% of the reason you are dying
mighty valley
Most common problems are overcapping rage, underusing Reprisal, overusing IP, randomly turning your back on enemies and not realizing
or it's group/healer stuff
plush tendon
a big one is spell reflect and interrupts
quaint glade
I mean I’m not saying I’m good ofc, but there were couple dungs that went very smooth TOP and PF 14+s
raven hatch
how do i check rage wasted in details
plush tendon
how do i check rage wasted in details
Maybe in resource? Honestly, its easier to see in a log
raven hatch
was in a mythic+ though
plush tendon
you can log M+
mighty valley
If some runs are smooth and some you feel like paper, that's probably because of missed interrupts
plush tendon
people dont cause they forget to have em running, but you can log our personal M+
tropic linden
how do i check rage wasted in details
There is a tab there u can check, forgot the name. Just fiddle around and you'll find
mighty valley
it always goes
"why am I so weak"
"what dungeon"
"DOS/Halls"
"well......"
quaint glade
If some runs are smooth and some you feel like paper, that's probably because of...
Hmmm
tropic linden
I have a halls 10 to do today 🙂 i'm 231. Hope it works out
plush tendon
it always goes
"why am I so weak"
"what dungeon"
"DOS/Halls"
"well......"
There are like only two pulls in DoS that are actually like that (the two with the deathspeaker)
quaint glade
Also, trinket from gambit is it ok for prot or better to farm scale?
jagged pier
it always goes
"why am I so weak"
"what dungeon"
"DOS/Halls"
"well......"
yes but that is also acompanied by bad play
mighty valley
well yeah, but people do those pulls, wipe, group falls apart because everyone blames tank
that's what i'm saying
quaint glade
I have the trinket from the Nine aegis or what is it called
quaint glade
Scale won’t drop…
plush tendon
Scale is aight, I think Aegis is better though
mighty valley
if you value your sanity don't hard-farm specific items in this loot system
quaint glade
I have Phil and haste trinket from soa
quaint glade
And Anima trinket from sd
quaint glade
its not gear
I know but I’m trying to figure out which trinket to use for now
plush tendon
Phial and Haste from SoA is fine
quaint glade
So aegis+ phil?
plush tendon
if you have a Aegis, replace the haste trinket with that
quaint glade
raven hatch
is there an addon for warcraft logs
chilly brook
they have a client
tropic linden
is there an addon for warcraft logs
If this is a question, the answer is yes
quaint glade
Log upload or smth like that
jagged pier
is there an addon for warcraft logs
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.
🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8
raven hatch
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that ...
thanks dude
one more question, has anyone seen the addon that makes LFG way easier to read with respect of RIO etc? I've seen Tattman with it
raven hatch
perfect
oblique garnet
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that ...
Big fan of this copypasta
oblique garnet
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that ...
Good job 
blazing condor
how do i log?
oblique garnet
chilly brook
How do I read?
vernal vale
So, yeah GM says charging on skolex is causing melee to get hit now. >.<
oblique garnet
Yeah you cant charge on skolex
oblique garnet
Because the tank combo is the same as sludge
Where you need to be on top of your cotank
blazing condor
just run out during his slam 
chilly brook
Just make your cotank charge
vernal vale
It's not during tank combo. It's on pu
chilly brook
It's not during tank combo. It's on pu
yea it's gonna hit the next closest person to the active tank
on normal melee
vernal vale
Paladin door of shadows in. Beats me to boss.
chilly brook
it's like sludge
oblique garnet
oblique garnet
Paladin door of shadows in. Beats me to boss.
Yeah thats his fault in that case
vernal vale
Cotank is paladin.
oblique garnet
If dps is back on the boss before
lofty widget
charge range is 8 yds so you can charge weave?
chilly brook
Paladin door of shadows in. Beats me to boss.
if he's dooring in how is someone else closer than you on a charge?
vernal vale
That is the question.
chilly brook
I mean it's simple
you have to be within 10 yards of whoever has aggro
which is prolly gonna be the paladin
so charge
but do it before his door of shadows completes
vernal vale
Already doing that.
chilly brook
Then someone is messing up positioning
either you two aren't close enough
or some dps is too close
vernal vale
Most likely GM leaping in on his demon hunter
chilly brook
put a marker down
and position yourself so you charge to said marker
paladin should door onto marker
vernal vale
Also already doing that.
chilly brook
Then melee need to wait like half a second
jagged pier
Good job <:deswind:533073964096946176>
we tend to not pin that as its so big it pushed stuff down
vernal vale
I'm gonna look at logs to see what the fuck nonsense my GM is talking about. See what melee is supposedly getting hit.
Ultimately he doesn't want me charging any bosses anymore.
shut summit
chilly brook
I'm gonna look at logs to see what the fuck nonsense my GM is talking about. See...
?
lol
vernal vale
Which I told him is stupid.
sturdy sable
Shit may as well craft the wall then lmao
vernal vale
I havent used wall since nathria
chilly brook
Bruh the only time I've died on Skolex is when I didn't wait like a quarter second to charge back into boss on knockback
jagged pier
this is legit the dumb thing ive read in here in a long time
real fossil
melee can afford to wait a second
They literally cannot. The world would end.
mighty valley
what the fuck does your pull look like. this is absolutely baffling
real fossil
Y’all ever see a dh meta himself to death by jumping early?
latent pier
the last time a melee waited, we got WoD.
chilly brook
the last time a melee waited, we got WoD.
mighty valley
but this is the opposite, claiming that melee are getting hit because the warrior is going in TOO FAST
my brain is collapsing
chilly brook
but this is the opposite, claiming that melee are getting hit because the warrio...
My guess is DH brain is going in asap
and the melee hit is going out before paladin gets there or woyer gets there
mighty valley
and the GM is just randomly blaming charge?
chilly brook
I mean it's as simple as melee just wait
one lost gcd isn't going to make the difference
mighty valley
yeah just pull on 1 and melee go on 0
i just don't know what's going on in this GM's mind
jagged pier
why is the paladin doing 2.9k
vernal vale
Paladin is having problems managing tank combo and off healing a lot.
jagged pier
oomg hes not press SoTR
vernal vale
I know I'm using ignore pain too much.
Other than that I don't feel like I'm playing that bad.
mighty valley
don't worry, you're clearly one of the more competent people in this raid and your GM is blaming random shit
i'm sure we could find mistakes but this paladin is legit just not pushing buttons
jagged pier
well no hes putting the blame on the wrong person
if a tanks struggling to hold aggro its that tanks fault
for not playing correct
holding threat is never an issue
vernal vale
I'm already saying imma start calling taunts next week to fix the tank combo issue. He's not managing it well.
mighty valley
has your guild done any on normal?
vernal vale
Yeah, we have don't up to anduin on normal.
chilly brook
DH needs to watch his positioning
he shouldn't stand on tanks
2
you killed your lock
stay with your cotank
don't leap
don't intervene
to stack point
that's bad
vernal vale
Fair enough. I'll make that change.
chilly brook
he'll just melee the next highest threat target and then hit whoever is within 10 yards of him
just run out on top of your cotank
mighty valley
get back that sludgefist brain
chilly brook
This is right after knockback
your melee need to chill
and so do you
stay with your cotank unless you like getting hit twice
mighty valley
looks like the arms warrior also needs to chill on charge
chilly brook
ye
That's what I'm sayin
melee need to chill
you can still charge
but stay with the paladin or charge as he's running in so you time it to arrive at the same time
mighty valley
hopefully paladin horses forward and you charge to get there at the same time
chilly brook
^
vernal vale
I don't think I've seen paladin horse once.
jagged pier
stay with your cotank unless you like getting hit twice
he'll have block the double hit does nothing
vernal vale
I need to look at logs closer on my computer. Phone web webrowser doesn't like logs.
mighty valley
i mean, just communicate, the goals are just both of you get there before melee
chilly brook
why is he standing on your paladin
mighty valley
it's just heroic so it's kinda ok to just walk in together, but better if you use the movement abilities god gave you
vernal vale
Good question why he's on the paladin there.
chilly brook
Same thing
mighty valley
How is he even getting there, what on earth
chilly brook
you leaping out kills ret paladin
vernal vale
I can easily stop leaping to reach the stack point.
jagged pier
u and the other tank have to leave last
but melee should move before u
we've killed melee cause they dont move
not our fault
chilly brook
your dh and your arms warrior have a bad habit of being on boss before tanks
and your dh has a really bad habit of standing on tanks randomly
Also when stack is called like Jakey said melee leave
it's on them to leave
as soon as that's called
vernal vale
I'll just call him out next time if he's on either of us.
chilly brook
so it looks like it's a two sided coin here
melee need to stop being spergs
and as long as you make the adjustment to not leave your cotank in the dust when stacking it should be gucci
vernal vale
Easy adjustment on my end.
mighty valley
stuff to work on but worth noting "charging on pull is getting melee killed" still makes no sense at all
jagged pier
charging on pull youll just get melee'd twice
vernal vale
Yeah, it's not just that boss he doesn't want me charging for pull.
chilly brook
stuff to work on but worth noting "charging on pull is getting melee killed" sti...
it's the age old "I couldn't possibly be at fault it must be someone elses fault"
vernal vale
He insists the paladin should always take the boss first.
mighty valley
you're outdps'ing this paladin on every fight, why not just take it
chilly brook
He insists the paladin should always take the boss first.
which the paladin can
but uhh
maybe he needs to tell the paladin to press his buttons
Idk
Just doesn't seem like a worthwhile guild
waxen orbit
^
vernal vale
I have no issue letting the paladin take the boss first but telling me not to charge is dumb
chilly brook
Assuming you care about clearing the content
waxen orbit
Charge generates like, zero threat. Your RL is eating glue right now
mighty valley
I mean... what's the justification for paladin taking boss first if it means you have to slow DPS to make it happen
whoever bursts harder can just be 1st tank, it's not a big deal
(though this paladin could be doing way more)
vernal vale
He firmly believes the paladin mitigates everything better.
chilly brook
I mean
waxen orbit
Or paladin can spam taunt off CD if he (for some reason) can’t take aggro despite having way higher damage potential than prot warrior
chilly brook
you could try to make that argument
cinder pasture
Tell your GM to stop simping for the pally
chilly brook
but oldboy has 57% uptime on consecrate
mighty valley
gm has metabrain
chilly brook
and 57% uptime on SoTR
mighty valley
and not "what players am i actually working with" brain
chilly brook
He's not mitigating shit
vernal vale
Paladin is an officer in the guild.
mighty valley
are these people your friends, do you have any attachment to this guild
waxen orbit
Paladin is an officer in the guild.
Oh, so classic guild corruption. Got it
Dawg if you don’t got emotional attachment, leave
That’s a recipe for disaster
chilly brook
waxen orbit
Take it from the dude who over 10 years has been in 12+ guilds
vernal vale
I've known several of the players here for over a decade its the only reason I'm here.
mighty valley
the idea of "officers" in a guild of friends is so wack to me
jagged pier
☝️
i loved my old guild im playing with them right now
but i wanted faster progress
had to move
vernal vale
I was looking at a guild for a while but they told me flatout I'd sit on a bench until they cleared mythic last tier.
mighty valley
well if you generally like a lot of these people, you just gotta work on getting to a place where you can communicate on what's wiping you without weird gamer feelings getting in the way
will probably help if you offer up where you're making mistakes as part of it
dark lark
I was looking at a guild for a while but they told me flatout I'd sit on a bench...
There's literally thousands of CE worth guilds out there, find another
And be willing to flex roles if you need to
chilly brook
Idk I don’t deal well with people making comments about the class I chose to play being the issue because some misguided bs that they assume instead of trying to have a dialogue about what’s happening
distant crystal
guilds kinda love someone who wants to tank but plays offspec/offrole to get a spot
we had a tank main join us and play boomy at the end of last tier, worked his way into a tank spot now
dark lark
Idk I don’t deal well with people making comments about the class I chose to pla...
Of course not, because then you know that raid leader doesn't know the game well enough
mighty valley
it's just a worthless way of looking at progress, you have the players you have, find out how to handle the actual problems in a rational way
i'm spoiled, just raid with friends who don't stress about what class everyone wants to play
vernal vale
I dps if I have to. Far prefer tank. I played dps all last tier.
chilly brook
Of course not, because then you know that raid leader doesn't know the game well...
It’s not just raid leaders though like dps that go like “well wouldn’t scale be a better pick so you can have two defensive trinkets” etc
Annoys the shit out of me
vernal vale
Imma point out that yes I was making a mistake by leaping.
And then imma share that he was literally standing on us.
mighty valley
you don't even need to make it a personal callout if that's gonna make things weird
dark lark
Since we're on the subject of Skolex, do we have to actively maintain block when we're the off tank? I've been doing so anyway and then stressing when I start running out of uptime
mighty valley
just "people are standing on tanks sometimes and getting killed, would it help if we had marks on us" or something
jagged pier
Since we're on the subject of Skolex, do we have to actively maintain block when...
yes
chilly brook
Like probably gonna sound super ego but when I was tanking I was orange/pink parsing and had multiple dialogues with healers (just making sure I wasn’t overtaxing them or to see if they’d prefer I do anything different) and the answer was usually “nah you’re super easy to heal we barely heal you”
mighty valley
just... without ego or trash talk, identify problems, talk constructively on how to fix
chilly brook
So when people who have 0 idea what they’re talking about go out of their way to say stupid things it drives me up a wall
mighty valley
and if all you get back is unsubstantiated garbage, well
chilly brook
Since we're on the subject of Skolex, do we have to actively maintain block when...
Ye
mighty valley
hit da bricks
chilly brook
Just like sludgefist
chilly brook
just... without ego or trash talk, identify problems, talk constructively on how...
I mean that’s like 95% of the problem
When you see higher end guilds go about addressing the problem they either have the insight to say “hey this is happening what can we do to not have it happen”
Or they ask “hey what’s going on here, what can we do?”
How you approach a problem is 95% of the battle
humble schooner
PaLaDiN mItIgAtEs BeTtEr
I hate it... I play a Prot Pally in addition to Prot War and man, the damage intake difference is insane to me. I am sure i don't play pally as well as Warrior but man
vernal vale
Straight up. I know I'm making mistakes that I can clean up and am actively working on fixing them.
chilly brook
I hate it... I play a Prot Pally in addition to Prot War and man, the damage int...
Prot pally is objectively hard to play tbh
vernal vale
I need to ignore pain less, manage my rage better because I'm wasting it still.
Just for starters.
humble schooner
Prot pally is objectively hard to play tbh
I've got to keep track of so much shit as pally, just to keep dmg mitigation up, then on the fly decide if I should throw out a heal or give myself a bit more mitigation as well as watching group for sac / BOP etc
tender oyster
I need to ignore pain less, manage my rage better because I'm wasting it still.
Can you expand on this? Are we not supposed to be filling out the downtime between SB casts with IP when we are actively tanking a boss? I understand with trash packs the aoe dmg is needed from revenge, but surely isnt needed that much on bosses?
strong forum
more revenge = more SS = more rage = more dam = more surv
vernal vale
@tender oyster basically revenge has a chance to reset shield slam. Letting you hit it more often which generates more rage to be used. Spamming ignore pain when you already have it going adds little to no value. Thus the rage is better spent on revenge
I'm sure some better people than I can get even more detailed on the reasons why.
tender oyster
Does adding to ignore pain not add to the value it helps prevent though? Its not timed as SB is but instead has a numerical value, so as long as youre not overcapping IP and still have SB up, would it not be better to use on IP?
I am also trying to understand how/when to use Ip. So please help me out if my thinking is incorrect
strong forum
IP is a very small dmg buffer and mainly rage dump
thats it
it doesnt make you tanky
vernal vale
The thing is ignore pain is off the gcd so it's an easy button to hit in that time. Which is my problem more often than not. That also means it's easy to throw one as one falls off.
jagged pier
but it prevents damage C:
strong forum
you use IP when you wanna dump rage and when you know when youre going to take alot of dmg
thats it
vernal vale
^
strong forum
you dont treat is as a maintenance buff
ive done several mythic fights without using IP
because i know what im doing and pumped everything into revenge
vernal vale
Try to break habit of hitting it just because you can. That's what I'm currently working on.
Nomeratur is far better than I am. Listen to him. Lol
sweet summit
it is time 
strong forum
sir?
strong forum
thats alot of trolling
radiant magnet
switch to crackling thunder. flex the Thunder Clap only build.
oblique garnet
we do a little bit of trolling
Thats gaming
are you also playing the demoshout legendary
jagged pier
thats gaming
strong forum
we bfa now
waxen orbit
it is time <:detective:912341312907378689>
Fucking kill it with fire
No double time and UF
🤮
sweet summit
ok this kinda sucks :/
chilly brook
ok this kinda sucks :/
this gives me an idea...
sweet summit
are you also playing the demoshout legendary
nah i played reprisal lol
don't have that lego anymore
think i scrapped it
waxen orbit
Demoshout lego was first week of Nath before the majority of us realized it was dogwater
sweet summit
it was still one of the better options
waxen orbit
Can’t argue against that
sweet summit
i preferred the wall for the flexibility tho
mighty valley
initially I was wall for raid vs. thunderlord for m+, sorta made sense intuitively
but then i just went wall for everything
and then reprisal buff eclipsed both
sweet summit
same
waxen orbit
Got into an argument with an arms Andy last patch because this mf tried talking me into using the wall in M+
waxen orbit
I mean if you were doing it in a high key then gigatroll but if it was <22 then you were fine
waxen orbit
Low DPS players throwing a tantrum trying to get their tank to “play more (entirely) defensively” AKA do no damage so that their low DPS doesn’t look as bad next to a tank outperforming them
median tulip
I outdpsed a fire mage the other day. And I am hardly a megapumping warrior. He was just dogshit terrible
distant crystal
shit i gotta pump the dps just to keep threat on stuff lol
trap alt problems tho
torn gulch
what will be the best slot for crafting unity on? one of the rings or waist?
blazing condor
trim bay
hey guys. i understand ilvl over anything is the rule most of the time. just a question about our stats. i have 34% haste (1139), 18% vers (729), 26% mastery (337)and 6% crit (58). i dropped alot of crit due to getting haste/vers gear. im still gemming and enchanting haste on my gear. am i doing the right thing?
mighty valley
Yeah looks fine
trim bay
sweet thanks. wasnt sure if the haste was or could be wasted
mighty valley
you're in a little bit of diminishing returns but it's still probably best stat til 40% unbuffed
trim bay
ok thanks for the info. appreciate it
deft hinge
awesome! i had active shieldwall for 5 mins after exiting torghast, im gonna get soul remnants to make it longer and go m+
ofc im not gonna do that, but it worked anyway
civic torrent
My goal in life is achieved, have a pinned post in skyhold
distant crystal
My goal in life is achieved, have a pinned post in skyhold
fluid zinc
Is it worth leveling up the other covenants even though kyrian seems the best right now for both raid and mythic plus
cinder nova
Yes.
Necrolord will be pretty strong at 4P + 2L
It provides more overall damage at your expense, but also it's big chunky hits with bannerplay
mighty valley
kyrian and NF are close enough that I wouldn't worry about it unless you get bored
necro has definite value though yeah
humble schooner
Is it worth leveling up the other covenants even though kyrian seems the best ri...
Yes, leveling doesn't take long either, all start at 40 (after main at 80) and covenant campaign alone provides like 28 levels + easy levels from world bosses etc
urban portal
I'm waiting for necro 4 set pop off in execute
waxen orbit
Healer flaming me over a 15 that he bricked by pulling the entire pirate room in Gambit because he stood next to the patting trash pack (I said he’d get past 2.2k eventually after he called me trash the first time, for context)
sweet summit
waxen orbit
Hot take
oblique garnet
3.5k wasnt high
waxen orbit
Your IO? Good accomplishment. Be proud of it. But if it was from an old expac, don't act as though that makes you good in the current one
waxen orbit
3.5k wasnt high
Factual
oblique garnet
Never pugging anything this season
waxen orbit
Fair
Alliance LFG is a river of dogshit
And my dumbass got my boots ready to go wading through it
oblique garnet
Alliance 
waxen orbit
Uphill battle at all times 
latent pier
So uh, pocket protoforge any good?
sullen quartz
Hey guys a quick question is it worth getting the alch trinket or I better stick to scale / phial and fish for em in a higher version ?
sweet summit
it's a decent trinket, but gets replaced by scale/phial/sack
latent pier
oh snap, forgot we can get a high ilvl sack now
sweet summit
So uh, pocket protoforge any good?
actually no idea, how does it work even?
it is 1 + haste rppm
so doesn't proc too often
latent pier
No idea yet. But on the off chance my tier attempt fails...
scenic mural
Seems like horde LFG is shit too. Cant seem to get any dps doing over 6k
How are you 255+ doing 6k and below?
latent pier
no tier this week. :(
latent pier
How are you 255+ doing 6k and below?
idk, on my lock and war I feel like I'd have to be afk for half the dungeon to get that low of an overall
scenic mural
Exactly, its just mind boggling.
rough ridge
What kinda ilevel do you guys think is req. for doing 15s? I know that's a broad question but just kinda trying to benchmark a bit
strong forum
required is hard to tell, but 15s should be decently doable at 250
better people will be able to do it at lower ilvl
rough ridge
I think my gameplay is sloppy, just did a 13 Sanguine and I was getting wrecked by some of the packs. Any good video guides/people you recommend watching to get a better picture of the playstyle?
strong forum
usually my rule of thumb was "whatever the content drops -10ilvl"
is a good point to to think that youre appropriate ilvl
strong forum
I think my gameplay is sloppy, just did a 13 Sanguine and I was getting wrecked ...
sense - nurfed on youtube and plka are like the only people
if you wanna see meme m+ runs you can check out my youtube
strong forum
i decline to answer
blazing condor
I plead the fifth
jagged pier
Healer flaming me over a 15 that he bricked by pulling the entire pirate room in...
i got complained at yesterday because a healer had to actually heal me
craggy pilot
healers are used to Druids and DKs? i guess?
i have seen so many dungeons where i feel like im dying so hard, and i check the healer is barely healing 😄
blazing condor
Shamans are nice
strong forum
imagine doing less hps than a pwar lol
sinful plover
Got kicked from a +12 SD after all bosses were dead and 99% trash, kicked me while we looked for a bat. They claimed I deserved it for my route causing us to deplete the key.
We spent way too long doing boss two bc pally healer (key holder who kicked me) died from manifestation puddle RIGHT after we committed BL, Ashen, and all CDs.
Their big brain dps hunter friend kept pulling for me bc “I wasn’t pulling large enough” which resulted in them and healer friend dying from failure dmg every large pull LOL.
strong forum
yeah keys are a shitshow rn
sinful plover
Yeah dude it’s mayhem
strong forum
legit bottom of the barrel people trying to get their weeklies done
ocean reef
Early season keys and pugging
sinful plover
Can’t believe the power trip they had though
ocean reef
sinful plover
Judging whether I deserve loot or not
blazing condor
Do you actually get kicked tho if you get kicked from a key
sinful plover
When they bricked their own key
sinful plover
Trying to do MDI on a 12
blazing condor
iirc you just stay there
ocean reef
You're not a part of the dungeon group anymore
strong forum
idk never been kicked from a key
sinful plover
Yeah but I wasn’t apart of the key
urban portal
You still get loot I think?
sinful plover
I got loot in mailbox
urban portal
I'd imagine they do that to stop ppl from kicking at 99
Yeah
So you may also got io if any
strong forum
yes
urban portal
Only question is do you have quest progress
strong forum
if the key is started and finished it doesnt matter if theres a group that finishes, it counts for everyone who started it
sinful plover
If a dps starts a pull. That’s harder for the tank right, bc the tank now has to play more offensively to take that snap threat away?
strong forum
depends on the dps
sinful plover
This mother fucker pulled and bursted
strong forum
doubt he used it 🙂
sinful plover
MD puts that aim crosshair on you right
urban portal
yea
sinful plover
Then yeah never used it lmao
strong forum
does MD work for pets now?
urban portal
yea
strong forum
you sure?
cuz i remember BM MD not doing anything
cuz its technically not the hunter that does the dmg
so he doesnt redirect anything
lime urchin
Exactly
sinful plover
I think the best way to time pugs Rn is just take the pulls a little smaller there is plenty of time when doing 15 and lower
These dps still living in 3 weeks ago though
Thanks for some voice of reason though.
blazing condor
strong forum
I think the best way to time pugs Rn is just take the pulls a little smaller the...
best way is to avoid pugging at all costs
blazing condor
so no keys then 
plucky hearth
first prot key of the tier had to try the 2p. the free ignore pains are so fucking nice 😮
timed 14 streets not sure why overalls so crap for party
jagged pier
At least I'm a 2 piece andy now
Lucky
chilly brook
Lucky
actually true
Unfortunately getting invited to keys is where my luck runs out for Fury
jagged pier
But they were s tier on tier lists
chilly brook
But they were s tier on tier lists
doesn't matter, I only have 1300io this season and won't get invited despite 2 chesting a few 17s and repeatedly farming NW on 16s-18s
kek
jagged pier
Griff not even a KSM gamer yet
chilly brook
Griff not even a KSM gamer yet <:sadge:820202363359854633>
last week was big scuffed for me for keys
jagged pier
Same
chilly brook
When I do get in keys I crank the fuck out of them
blazing condor
my whole experience this season has just been "shits a mess but its fine oh wait its not we wiped on the last boss and now the key depleted"
plucky hearth
doesn't matter, I only have 1300io this season and won't get invited despite 2 c...
Did you have Io last season? I get invited to everything on my fury
I only had 2600 too
chilly brook
Did you have Io last season? I get invited to everything on my fury
like 2500
legit takes an hour to get into a key
plucky hearth
I did push last and this week and almost 2700
But that's wack. Push your own!
Everyone's applying to 15+s
chilly brook
But that's wack. Push your own!
I did
jagged pier
Of only griff was on eu 
chilly brook
Outside of score and ilvl upgrades I don't need to do more keys
I just want to do more keys
plucky hearth
Feels
chilly brook
Of only griff was on eu <:sadga:869134702970273812>
sadge
I've been doing the same keys over and over again this week fishing for a weppy
blazing condor
sin stained pendant aint our bis anymore right with the new haste/vers necks available
plucky hearth
I mean you list that and 2800+ apply. Esp if you can get it to 20 for KSH prof
Prog
I've done like 30 keys no wep haha
blazing condor
got one in my vault first week 😎
chilly brook
insta invite to an 18 mists
plucky hearth
And 2pc
chilly brook
kekw
chilly brook
50k down the hole to rebuild EM on boots for 2 weeks
I just dropped like 300k on legos
291 reprisal boots
291 bracers
291 DM
291 Signet
plucky hearth
I'll get reprisal once I sell and get some gold just using EM as prot for now
Just got signet 291 till leggo prices drop
Already have dropped in prices 50-100k
craggy pilot
is 255 shield worth spending valor to upgrade?
blazing condor
kinda expensive to upgrade it fully
but if you dont think you'll have much else to upgrade then go for it
jewlery is relatively cheap
but you can only get 750 valor a week (unless thats changed)
so spend wisely
jagged pier
Personally i dont spend valir early in the season unless i hit like a wall of content because box will replace eventually
craggy pilot
ye ok
but then box will replace everything 😄
then just save Valor for specific trinkets?
blazing condor
i would do that
for things i know will be """"Bis"""" or whatever
aka specific items
not just item upgrades
cus those will come
jagged pier
Well not everything im still running a 246 phial because i never got one in vault
🤷♂️
blazing condor
blazing condor
how come frost mages are ass now
everyone ive played with this season i do the same damage as
radiant magnet
noticed that last night on 2 keys, but figured it was just that mage
craggy pilot
had a bunch of mages doing 4k overall dps
strong forum
everyone ive played with this season i do the same damage as
icelance hard bro
sweet summit
mages are not people
blazing condor
also is fire just a dead spec now?
i swear fire mages perform better than most frost mages but i aint ever see any anymore
strong forum
fire is for raid
sweet summit
fire is for pvp
blazing condor
radiant magnet
i guess snares for kiting?
radiant magnet
might be. just not seeing it yet.
strong forum
not in the mood for jokes
blazing condor
Sorry
well time to do a key with 2 frost mages from my guild
i will return with more evidence
strong forum
as usual all mage specs are good
frost is best in m+
fire best in raid
arcane is really good in both
mellow bridge
all 3 mage specs are honestly fine for m+
fire mage scales really well with Urh
Frost needs decently sized pulls to get enough resets now
but they'll scale real nice with tierset
pallid axle
Hi guys im Using an Intervene Macro with which does work , when I have a Focus makro an dont point my mouse at another player intervene my focus as intended, if i point my mouse on another persons character in Intervene them as intended, BUT i can mouseover intervene via my Group/raid Frames... any help??
/cast [target=mouseover] Intervene
/cast [target=focus] Intervene
pallid musk
I doing 4.3 k overall as prot, any idea how I can push better in AoE?
(Non-tier) playing Kyrian Mika as most
Been thinking about Avatar - ravager - SoB - revege
green trench
TC, Revenge on proc, utilize legendary for more revenge, SS.. rinse and repeat?
Depends also on ur gear obviously. im doing between 6-8k overall after a m+
with 255 ilvl
strong forum
Don't only revenge on proc
oblique garnet
it does insane dmg
It doesnt do insane damage
strong forum
Revenge should be one of your most used buttons
oblique garnet
it does average damage but it has perma slow
west walrus
@strong forum
green trench
Ofc not, but usually during start of pull, thats what i do when we pull 3-4 packs together.. spamming IP on the rage build ;<
strong forum
<@192743144276623360>
No im 
green trench
Not doing crazy high keys, but 17s atm.. feel so squishy 😄
wispy briar
What is currently the best tank
west walrus
No im <:medge:869468644743200829>
Yeah, the real one is better 
strong forum
Prolly bear is best cuz their dmg is dumb with 4p
sweet summit
ye
west walrus
I just thought about you while seeing this
strong forum
😳
oblique garnet
Prolly bear is best cuz their dmg is dumb with 4p
Bear 100% the best tank dps and healer all in one atm
With 4P
its just something else
strong forum
Sounds about right
jagged pier
sounds about right
oblique garnet
+16 halls with 20 mins depleted
Thats not gonna give you score
blazing condor
its gonna give me vault
oblique garnet
🤔
blazing condor
im deep in my cope hole
i run m+ solely for the reason of doing m+ cus its """"fun"""""
dont need to fill no vault cus i dont raid or anything
the effort of filling a vault to max ilvl is just not worth compared to what i do
green trench
Then what do you do in game? Pvp only?
green trench
o.O
jagged pier
its not even fun now
plush tendon
idk, I'm having a blast in M+
plush tendon
did my 8 keys by Wednesday afternoon
jagged pier
u have a group @sweet summit
plush tendon
sweet summit
not really
dawn canyon
pugging remains unfun
plush tendon
pugging remains unfun
When has this not been the case in literally every aspect of wow
dawn canyon
When has this not been the case in literally every aspect of wow
its always been like that ur right
plush tendon
hell, even doing Zerath Mortis was more fun in a group of the bois
jagged pier
i dunno pugging 16 keys a week is killing me
plush tendon
The only thing I have to do is convince my friends that streets aint that bad
they still a bit scared; but my DK wants his goddamn codex
dawn canyon
i just want my feral druid mw ele shamn team back
sweet summit
streets is pretty chill now that people have played it a bit
plush tendon
The first streets I did wasnt too bad, its just long
Gambit on the other hand feels super fast
and everyone is still fixated on tier and filling up the vault first
robust rover
streets is pretty chill now that people have played it a bit
Do you still go left and not right after first boss?
plush tendon
Left is right and right is bad
sweet summit
left bis
robust rover
❤️
plush tendon
I think the worst part about streets are those first full pulls; lots of interrupts
craggy pilot
where on the screen do you guys place Player+Target+Focus? can i get some screenshots for inspiration? 🙂
craggy pilot
is that your castbars in the middle, or just WA?
craggy pilot
probably works on the CD, but not on the debuff
sweet summit
not the debuff
craggy pilot
oh, WAs
ah ok cool, so you have all those WAs and then also castbars further down?
actionbars i mean lol
sweet summit
oh fuck i just noticed my focus frame is out of line...
craggy pilot
just my focus frame is in a fucked position, thinking ill move it a bit in
but man i dont like those Square target frames 😒
sweet summit
¯_(ツ)_/¯
craggy pilot
ocean reef
oh fuck i just noticed my focus frame is out of line...
The reason we died that one pull..
Killed my overall so I lost to the monk
sweet summit
we died cos we killed speed first pull
ocean reef
Just wanna say
sweet summit
who kills speed
sweet summit
ocean reef
I don't kill anything but Urh
craggy pilot
@sweet summit im thinking something like this tho
sweet summit
frames look default too except for the icon
craggy pilot
where focus? @blazing condor
craggy pilot
hahaha
craggy pilot
👀
dawn canyon
@blazing condor what's ur movement keys
blazing condor
no real reason to use focus for me imo
blazing condor
<@186864948343865344> what's ur movement keys
mouse
blazing condor
thats on G
blazing condor
🤷♂️
craggy pilot
oh lol didnt even notice his keybinds hahahaha
dawn canyon
Your binds are as bad as jpcs
blazing condor
blazing condor
i got strafe bound but i only use it every now and then
only real time i use it is last boss NW during storms so i can still dps
craggy pilot
ive seen this a couple of times in the RWF, is that an addon or what? 🤔
blazing condor
what do you mean?
craggy pilot
oh i think it might just be default UI
blazing condor
yeah thats just default stuff
in interface you can group by "groups" and class colors etc
looks normal to me
deft hinge
blazing condor
looks like azerite armor but with extra steps
real thunder
Hello, do you guys/girls know of an addon that tells you if a mob in a large pack is casting a spell where you are the target?
distant crystal
sortof
for longer cds yes, for short cds you get to hammer them wildly for 10secs
too bad tclap doesn't do good dam anymore cause you could prob avatar then clap every gcd
jagged pier
my guilds fine with it 🤷
frigid spire
i need to find a guild that wants one then lol
radiant magnet
join as a holy pally, then 'invite my alt'
whole sphinx
hah
mental scarab
is it a stat thing we take tier on legs above gloves? thinking legendary on pants and belt for i dont wonna farm rep 😄
waxen orbit
man ppl dont like prot warriors in raid
People who meta chase in raid make me laugh
Like sure we’re bottom of the pack but if feral is viable in raid then so is literally fucking everything else
mighty cairn
non world first raid tanking is just do mechs and dont be floor pov
radiant magnet
but the RL saw a tier list. he knows.
waxen orbit
Casual players referring to tier lists make me giggle
radiant magnet
but no, it's on the list! you dont understand RLing
waxen orbit
radiant magnet
one of the wow personalities gave me an opinion! how dare you challenge it!
to be fair, my RL doesnt care but we're stupid casual so meh
waxen orbit
No shame in being casual
Only shame is if you act like meta matters in raid
Outside of niche situations like mythic soulrender when DK was required
radiant magnet
I did the serious thing for a bit. Then I got old. Now I play for fun. Save yelling at people for RL.
strong forum
Halondrus requires meta
and by meta i mean brain
this boss looks disgusting
like absolutely terrible for any guild thats not hardcore
radiant magnet
which class has s-tier raid awareness as an ability again?
strong forum
yeah defo venthyr boomkin are awareness kings
radiant magnet
I know in BFA it was fire mage. pop rune, enter nuke phase, stand in everything, do 400k while healer scream at you, die 15s later
win win
strong forum
defo venthyr boomkin
waxen orbit
A priest mid boon
mighty valley
the funniest part about tier lists is they're immediately invalidated when rwf actually begins
most specs have seen pulls already
waxen orbit
They aren’t invalidated
RWF is entirely reliant on what is needed in a specific situation
sweet summit
tier lists are invalidated because it is a stupid format and it is dumb and stupid and only made for $$$
waxen orbit
I can agree it’s a dumb format
But if it’s, say, a M+ tier list rated based on utility offered, then it can have its perks
Not something to base your decision on
But there are niche situations where a tier list can be a reference point
strong forum
very well put aswell
mighty valley
tier lists are brain poison that just result in people rejecting feral druids from their +7s
for clickzzz
waxen orbit
Don’t blame tier lists for people being dumb
plush tendon
I've hated druids for years
mighty valley
i will, it's a clickbait format by definition
waxen orbit
Dumb people will find a way to be dumb no matter what resources are at their disposal
mighty valley
they're positioned as "these are important for you to know" when you can take whatever comp you want to 99.99% of keys that are actually played
plush tendon
Yea, on my tier list of tier lists I put tier lists in the D tier
oblique garnet
Huh did someone actually rate balance druids being good in m+?
sweet summit
no idea
mighty valley
erga's official tier list rates balance as "fuck em" tier
sweet summit
real
sweet summit
plush tendon
Overall pretty good list, but I dont understand why Prot Paladin is in the 'fuck em' tier
sweet summit
fake prot
plush tendon
you right, that does take points off
mighty valley
i hate all paladins, except the ones my friends play
plush tendon
Epic by association
oblique garnet
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
Bdk as pretty cool
sweet summit
ye
oblique garnet
Really
sweet summit
ye
plush tendon
Arms Warrior is S-Tier amongst all Warrior Specs that use a single 2-hander
oblique garnet
Arms is so fucking boring
mighty valley
i won't ever play arms but i'm never gonna trash my fellow warriors on the record