I like it.
#protection
blazing condor
This game is so good i dont even need to play it
its like OSRS 2.0
Best way to play the game is to be able to not have to look at it and do something else at the same time
strong forum
Hate that
strong forum
hollow dove
woops ty
dawn canyon
strong forum
That's pretty dogshit
2min CD and absorbs only 10% of what scale absorbs
And only 50% absorption
So it's like an IP on a 2min CD for magic only
Very very bad
Even if the value goes to 100k magic absorb
Still worse than scale
Even if it went to 200k absorb actually, cuz you'd need to take 400k magic dmg in those 15seconds
steel mist
it says cosmic damage
most of the bosses do cosmic damage i suppose, whatever that is
strong forum
Ya but still, have plenty of better options
Sure if it's against cosmic dmg the 200k is good, but i doubt the size of that trinket is gonna increase tenfold
raven hatch
is it just me or does spell reflect not get affected by cdr from uhr relic
strong forum
Lots of short CDs aren't affected by that
raven hatch
shield slam is but spell reflect isn't xD
strong forum
Shield slam shouldn't be affected
primal cape
just dropped pulsating riftshard with 265 quest, is that good or?
strong forum
Pretty terrible trinket 
primal cape
gonna give it a try before going back with shard
wild hemlock
you only have to do it on one toon?
wild hemlock
I got like 15 mining levels and watched a whole series at the same time
yooo add bigdong john on osrs lmaooo
keen epoch
Hey guys, what is the best slot for unity if im planning on playing all 3 specs? Wrists with prob haste mastery?
blazing condor
yooo add bigdong john on osrs lmaooo
Lmao bet but i dont play anymore sadly. But i love that game
outer solstice
in gambit which of the murlco get the fishsticks?
lofty widget
scalebinders
outer solstice
ty
spare hearth
Got 265 Sepulcher's Savior from the vault. Can't quite tell if this is a trap item or genuinely good. What's the conventional wisdom on it?
sweet summit
block value strong
wild hemlock
i dont see a recruitment tab in here but uhhhhhhhh are we allowed to ask if anyone is looking lol
jagged pier
theres #promotion
wild hemlock
ah TY
undone verge
Finally got to raid tank again last night for heroic pantheon 
deft hinge
Llarold has updated m+ page for prot warr with double leggo and tier set, but talentchoice says HR not AM. whats a happenin?
nvm, wowhead news are probably refering to old news
strong forum
Not every subset of tabs on the wowhead guides are constantly updated
It's often only that 1 page
inland wasp
In preparation for being able to craft Unity do we have a set slot we want to put that in? Obv Boots is for Repraisl
wispy tapir
inland wasp
Thank you
blazing condor
ty : )
dull tulip
do you guys think shield wall should be made into a raid defensive?
sweet summit
no
jagged pier
no
dull tulip
why not
jagged pier
we already have a very strong one
and giving us another then just makes prot warrior broken
also bad
because u actually want to use SW for i dunno tank mechanics so u dont die
cant do that if its a raid cd
dull tulip
i guess? but it's more of an oh shit button
jagged pier
no
prot warrior has 0 oh shit buttons
if u are using for when your health goes low
you are using it incorrectly
u are supposed to use it to ever prevent 'oh shit' happening
dull tulip
what do you think about this legendary then?
dull tulip
i think it's a really cool one
jagged pier
then your wrong
dull tulip
you're
lofty widget
can be cool without being good
dull tulip
i can't have an opinion?
dull tulip
how is being cool wrong
mellow patio
Doesn’t it only apply to 5 people in a raid
jagged pier
yes
dull tulip
oh i thought it applies to all of them
dull tulip
i see
mellow patio
Not cool confirmed
jagged pier
yes because wow is historically accurate
dull tulip
funny community
mellow patio
You are allowed to believe the legendary is cool, you have my blessing
sweet summit
ty hawgz
sweet summit
soon
mellow patio
deft hinge
no but warrior is based on the vikings culture
Wohoot?! i am from thickest viking country, and viking was using leather, not plate. and usually axes or double-wielding as beserkers did when they ate their beserk-making mushrooms
blazing condor
do you guys think shield wall should be made into a raid defensive?
it was in dragon soul
distant crystal
dragon soul tank tier was something special
I was hunter main turned bear main, raid-wide frenzied regen
pretty...pretty...pretty good
sturdy sable
Tanks pre bfa where something special and even then legion had already started the trend of making tanks.... What they are now
craggy pilot
do we know if we have to do the entire campaign for the belt? 🤔
im wondering how much i have to do the campaign currently on my alts to keep up
distant crystal
the free belt requires campaign
if your main did the campaign + rep and got the memory, you can craft on alts
afaik
craggy pilot
if your main did the campaign + rep and got the memory, you can craft on alts
hmm ye ok 🤔 hopefully there is a 2nd skip then
im doing campaign on 2nd attempt, and its alrdy tedious as fk
craggy pilot
ye its not too bad, but doing it x5 😦
this week is very tedious
clicking fucking helmet 100 times
urban portal
just pretend you are grinding renown
distant crystal
I did necro last patch :p
but i slammed out some NF renown w/ campaign
eventually I'll do venthyr
craggy pilot
i hate that we have to go to Oribos to swap covenant
chilly brook
i never seem 2 be able 2 pump like that im always hard stuck 5-6k
press more revenj
hollow bolt
Tru!
chilly brook
your health is a healer problem
hollow bolt
with 2 set shield slam can do some rando 20k hits tho
iz nice
pfft ignore pain sucks butt
shrewd bronze
Honest question like
Ik I'm not super comfortable with prot but like
I pulled that entire first room towards Gorechop's wing in TOP
And after rotating through my CDs and mobs weren't dead, I just flopped dead man
The small guys' bolts were hitting me for way too much
What exactly should I do in that scenario?
Ofc that burst by the Wo Drifter didn't help but still
shrewd bronze
I feel so rage starved all the time right now
shrewd bronze
I mean i shield slam/thunderclap on cd
Don't revenge unless proc (if I need the rage for defense)
I'm running this
Guess I should go heavy repercussions?
chilly brook
Don't revenge unless proc (if I need the rage for defense)
That's a problem
jagged pier
no
chilly brook
^^
jagged pier
do missing a tone of rage gen
shrewd bronze
Sorry "SS"?
chilly brook
shield slam
shrewd bronze
Are my talents ok?
strong forum
Withering discharge must be interrupted, decaying filth can be reflected and needs to be dispelled. Devour flesh can be stunned
shrewd bronze
Right but like
When I'm just getting fucked I tend to use ignore pain instead
Should I still revenge?
chilly brook
I mean there's a balance
jagged pier
well as IP does nothing u should be using a defensive
shrewd bronze
Not for my keys no
I'm mainly a DPS player, trying to get better at prot so I can have an easier time doing keys too
shrewd bronze
But ok I see your point about revenge to get SS
I honestly didn't even know it had 30% chance to reset SS, completely forgot that
Should I change my talents at all for keys?
chilly brook
talents looked right
shrewd bronze
Ok then yeah, more revenge, less IP
jagged pier
thats a prefernce
jagged pier
just wait till shadowcore, it hits for 50k on 16 i know because my pug wasnt interrupting them 
shrewd bronze
What do you actually do in that case tho?
mighty valley
like, if you're trying to do that big pull and withering discharge goes off, that's usually GG
mighty valley
but yeah, you can stun + reflect a lot, and storm bolt a devour flesh
but also if you're in pugs where you don't trust the dps, don't do huge pulls
urban portal
just wait till shadowcore, it hits for 50k on 16 i know because my pug wasnt int...
just spell reflect it
dumb kid
blazing condor
D:
jagged pier
what?
strong forum
grats
mighty valley
as a game developer, can I please ask that we stop calling game developers lazy twats
honestly the twats part is ok
strong forum
im a lazy twat
mighty valley
but i take issue with lazy
strong forum
but im not a dev
mighty valley
game dev can be fucked for a million reasons but individual devs being lazy is barely ever one of them
mighty valley
im trying dog with a crown...
mighty valley
when i moved to america one of the worst culture shocks was hearing how they pronounce twats "twots"
craggy pilot
how do i play Skolex? 🤔 Reprisal not giving me a lot of value there
urban portal
you can play wall
jagged pier
repisals fine on skolex
u can charge
boss range is longer than charge range
he also melees stupid slow
craggy pilot
ye ok, and i can intervene?
jagged pier
i do
craggy pilot
so i guess charge every time he retch
jagged pier
no double time with reprisal is annoying to play
its doesnt change much tbh
blazing condor
DT is big dick
mighty valley
DT makes it very comfy but you can still get great block % without it, and having an extra stun is just kinda good
blazing condor
id rather take an uninterrupted wicked bolt to the face
but im mostly using it just to get around lmao
mighty valley
that is your right
DT + leaper let's go
i'm halfway across the dungeon. my team is dead in the dust
mighty valley
pog??
chrome falcon
mission accomplished B)
devout heron
can i get one handed mace tmog from torgast
the new ones
with prot specloot?
those flails
radiant magnet
need to be silver? achieve called "Dune Dominance" gives a gold w/ matching shield
devout heron
need to be silver? achieve called "Dune Dominance" gives a gold w/ matching shi...
i mean alright
chilly brook
need to be silver? achieve called "Dune Dominance" gives a gold w/ matching shi...
the gold weapons are prime
lime urchin
chilly brook
tauren disgust me
radiant magnet
<#238066915187097600>
IP has value
radiant magnet
shh, trying to distract him
mighty valley
if starcraft and fighting games didn't get me, wow cannot break my wrists
wild hemlock
im speed-running carpal tunnel
no thats ele sham 4 piece
strong forum
high haste
steel mist
for both m+ and raids?
strong forum
yes
steel mist
thnk you
chrome falcon
holy shit this 4piece PUMPS
strong forum
you got 4p already?
blazing condor
only 4p i got is nuggets
strong forum
not even the 20ö
blazing condor
gotta keep my figure
karmic galleon
Have any of y'all tried Necro tanking? I tried it last night and it is a lot of fun
marble prairie
waxen orbit
holy shit this 4piece PUMPS
I hate you
blazing condor
skill diff
chrome falcon
^
waxen orbit
chrome falcon
correct
blazing condor
- healer problem
jagged pier
u arnt raiding
sweet summit
i'm gonna loot 3rd from rygelon 
mighty valley
i am simply happy for my fellow warriors who have received the blessing of loot
strong forum
Have any of y'all tried Necro tanking? I tried it last night and it is a lot of ...
necro is gonna be the goat covenant for raiding once you have 4p2l
jagged pier
almost like its
blazing condor
u arnt raiding
well u can get them from other sources as well
mighty valley
you should be able to loot them from the bottom of cereal boxes
jagged pier
apprently u have a higher chance if u kill the tier bosses
karmic galleon
I did it in a M0 last night and that extra Sheild into a pull was nice
karmic galleon
Gave me a chance to build up rage
hollow hill
Is the tier bonus so good that it's worth sacrificing ilvl to get it? Like downgrading from a 262 leg piece to a 239 raid finder leg piece to get the bonus?
mighty valley
almost certainly but you can sim it
chrome falcon
i'm dropping from mythic to normal ilvl on my legs for it
mighty valley
rwf guilds were farming normal for it, so
mighty valley
it's also about how many pieces you're downgrading and which bonus you're getting
like, equipping one lfr piece to get to 4set has gotta be worth it
hollow hill
Well if I manage to get another tier piece I'll deal with the calculations at that point. Thanks everyone!
jagged pier
like, equipping one lfr piece to get to 4set has gotta be worth it
well yes one piece
but 4
probably not
mighty valley
sims aren't up yet? boo
blazing condor
where sim
jagged pier
u think mwahis finished them?
sweet summit
surely worth no?
jagged pier
i mean its open source u can go do them
sweet summit
tier is pretty fuck strong
mighty valley
nah i'd rather complain about lazy sim devs
sweet summit
same tbh
hollow hill
I just finished the one that's open and it was actually pretty smooth for lfr
one wipe on halondrus, everything else was 1 shot
mighty valley
i loaded into one and it dropped me onto halondrus
they had wiped 34 times
i dropped
hollow hill
oooof
mighty valley
if i start itching for tier i'll probably try and stack the queue as best i can
blazing condor
🤢
my wow time runs out in 4 days dunno if i'll resub 
m+ is kinda fun but thats about it
chrome falcon
yeah this raid slaps
blazing condor
hollow hill
I've enjoyed it so far as well
mellow bridge
just killed hc anduin, that fight felt nice
starting lord hc now, it's a bit weird
mighty valley
amogus??
sweet summit
called it
blazing condor
ez
jagged pier
imma get teir helm from anduin on monk cause we dont have monk buff had to bring mine
but its okay i have helm on warrior
blazing condor
strong forum
imma get teir helm from anduin on monk cause we dont have monk buff had to bring...
pretty cmmon theme this tier
plka, meeres
you
jagged pier
its not me always
but out dps monk isnt here
this is literally me
litteraly dont need to think
formal ibex
does anyone have a list for raid abilities you can spell reflects?
jagged pier
formal ibex
Tnx bby
sweet summit
the tier bonus?
strong forum
lotta IP to press
chrome falcon
honestly i think i tilted my raid so bad that our overall performance went bad shit's hilarious
jagged pier
i'm about to drop BV because it feels so overkill
u shouldnt
its not worth the dps loss
or rage loss
u just have to change the order u press buttons
fit a few IPs in the middle
chrome falcon
oh yeah for sure
just need to get a WA set up so i don't accidentally go empowered SS into DS and burn like 60 rage
jagged pier
oh thats me
chrome falcon
hey i feel like "eh" is the opposite of an excuse
it's admitting there is no excuse
but hurry up and get 2pc so you can make a weakaura and hit me up with it thanks 👍
jagged pier
nome wont hes not playing
and ill make a TMW cause im a boomer
there probably WA already btw
chrome falcon
i dug through wago yesterday but yeah gonna try again
distant crystal
chrome falcon
otherwise i'll engage 2 brain cells and do it myself
distant crystal
pog
chrome falcon
you have saved my life sir thank you
distant crystal
ocean reef
distant crystal
ty waat u own
tropic linden
Do i use booming voice or dragons roar on raid?
sweet summit
bv
sweet summit
very slightly more damage one one target
and BSC for aoe bosses
wtf is survival damage
tropic linden
very slightly more damage one one target
And more than one is dragon roar?
sweet summit
nah DR is worse in aoe
DR is like the ST damage talent
but it is just not that much better
steel mist
guys that soul reaper cast oin the intermission phase for anduin is killing me , is there something im doing wrong or is there something prot warrior should need to do
sweet summit
so why play it
tropic linden
I'm doing halondrus
shut summit
guys that soul reaper cast oin the intermission phase for anduin is killing me ,...
good block uptime and use CDs
urban portal
Do i use booming voice or dragons roar on raid?
keep in mind that you can still use DR
if you dont think you can use booming voice for damage
as in you need to hold shout for defense
tropic linden
Thanks
steel mist
@shut summit hey sense love your content, i think its maybe the willpower on anduin it should a 100 but we are hitting 70 when he does the intermission. do you think thats the case
shut summit
yes
oblique garnet
wtf is survival damage
Thats fury warrior dam
oblique garnet
<@!105027920459776000> hey sense love your content, i think its maybe the willpo...
The willpower once its at 100 gives you 90% passive damage taken so its basically a must to get full to kill anduin
We managed to live it barely with bl at 95 pre nerf
unkempt trout
how do you open on packs in m+, i usually get destroyed
iron forum
sweet summit
boomkin main :/
mighty valley
how do you open on packs in m+, i usually get destroyed
throw ravager on top of pack, charge + avatar to pack, SS prio target, TC, Spear now that everyone's grouped
Make sure rage is being spent to keep SB up, bleed off excess to IP so you don't overcap
Start normal priority
Something like that idk
unkempt trout
what about the part where i don't die on pull
even with sb i just evaporate
fort trucks
sweet summit
do you have logs?
unkempt trout
na
sweet summit
hard to pinpoint what's going on without logs :/
unkempt trout
even that first pull?
mighty valley
yes, there are mages casting Scribe
and also you can step away from the bone soldiers casting their weird magic melee thing
unkempt trout
should i just be spamming ignore pain as my rage dump
median tulip
No
chrome falcon
the pulls outside ardenweald and hakkar are scary as fuck if you're not kicking properly
even the first pull can be rough if scribes are being spammed
unkempt trout
even with 2 piece?
chrome falcon
well if you're dying on the pull you're not going to have time to spend 240 rage so yeah
unkempt trout
well there isn't anything else defensive wise to spend rage on is there
if sb is up
chrome falcon
oh sorry i misinterpreted your question
yeah if you have rage to dump then IP is your only option
but you also want to revenge for SS procs and damage so don't starve yourself
but like others said, hard to say without logs
mellow bridge
The bonesoldiers in dos truck you with a magic hit that has no cast time
Just an instant magic strike
You're probably getting shat on by that
median tulip
Yeah, it's melee range though, so start with SR up while you grab threat, then Kyrian Spear and leap out
mellow bridge
First pull in dos is usually a good instant demo shout + SR for the dr
Use ls/trinket as needed
SW for 2nd pull usually
And yea def feel free to kite after the initial burst is over
First pack is very kiteable if needed
mighty valley
these days you might be able to go left, so you can blow SW on first pack. but if you're going right, you really really do want SW available there
mellow bridge
If you go left after doing first pull, you won't have a good time
Unless you wanna do pack + mask together
median tulip
Yeah, you could go left. Gotta know your Ardenweald pulls properly if you do that, though
The mask doesn't come all the way onto that platform, and you're pulling in that direction to use the pot there anyway
mellow bridge
He literally does
He walks until almost the stairs
Left side mask walks a lot further than right side for whatever reason
median tulip
Hmmm, ok. I don't remember that, but it's a very long time since I tried going left
mellow bridge
And if you do the first pull first before going left
He will be somewhere close to reaching the platform soon depending on your damage
So either you have to be willing to pull him with the packs or you need to change your start
Like taking Wo in first pack and just skipping that pack for now
Or skip first pack and go straight left
Don't get me wrong mask with pack is certainly doable
But not without planing it properly
median tulip
Especially if you can break the pot on the mask
median tulip
I never pug, so 🤷♂️
median tulip
Also, from having watch peoples run before, one mistake I see people make in DoS is the group comp. Too many people go full ranged and are too light on the interrupts
TBH that's a problem you see in a lot of dungeon groups, but DOS and NW are where a lack of interrupts gets really seen
mighty valley
The theory is you Wo and go straight from first pack to ardenweald
median tulip
ofc the people also have to use their interrupts
mighty valley
seems like you can get some good CD lineups by doing it that way
but anyway, too complicated for pugs this early
median tulip
There's definitely a lot of space to investigate the possibilities of the Wo buff
unkempt trout
is set bonus big for keys
mellow bridge
Dos will be one of the biggest Wo dungeons for sure
Even just the movement speed is insane to save time
mighty valley
set bonus is big for everywhere, but not many people have it yet (well, plenty more will have 2p by the end of this week)
what key level are you doing and what ilvl
frosty holly
Tanked a DoS earlier. I feel so squish compared to S2. Not sure if it was bad interrupts or just war on spellcaster packs. But anything not pure physical made me feel like paper. Even with CD's up
waxen orbit
Whether or not that’s the case depends on a variety of variables you’re leaving out
Item level, healer, kicks, SB uptime, ignore pain use, defensive CD use in general, key level, and trinkets, to name a few
unkempt trout
16 255
frosty holly
- Key was 16. SB uptime was nearly 100% for the encounter where i felt i took massvive dmg. Ignore pain cast as often as rage allowed. Only bad part are my trinkets honestly. Don't have a real tank one. Last stand popped first time i dipped low. SW second time. Healer was a shaman.
waxen orbit
Honestly you should’ve been fine with that then
frosty holly
Didn't check kicks. So could just been tons of cast going through
Kinda sad I spent the whole of 9.1 not getting any of that raids tank trinkets. Because they kept going to our raider tanks and all the tank alts they had 💔
waxen orbit
That’s probably it. Tanked an 18 earlier and it was a snooze fest (didn’t time by 1 min because DPS and healer turned their brain off for last half of the dungeon)
frosty holly
How good is 2 set for tanking? As in a rough estimate. How much survivability does it give us? Because I can get 2 set. But I'd have to re-craft the leggo to be on boots instead of pants
waxen orbit
It’s almost entirely a damage increase
One occasional ignore pain
Lots of rage increase tho
So
That’s defensive as well
Depending on how you utilize it
frosty holly
Cheers for the info
sweet summit
it gives a fuckton
you have so much rage
you're forced to spend on IP a lot
- the free IP
frosty holly
I'll get working on some Leggo boots then
sweet summit
it adds up to a lot
cinder nova
Wait...
frosty holly
So i can use my tier
sweet summit
especially with the CDR guy
sweet summit
LS with UF is like
2 minutes or something
which in turn gives EVEN MORE rage
and the cycle continues
cinder nova
Wait are we going UF over Rep? 🤔
median tulip
You're almost guaranteed to overcap if using LS/UF on a Tier-boosted Shield Slam
sweet summit
yea
median tulip
First World Problems ofc
sweet summit
it's like 90 or so rage
median tulip
I think it's over 100 if you get max rank UF
median tulip
More likely I am
median tulip
Oh I remember; it's 115 Rage with The Wall, Heavy Repercussions and max rank UF. I knew it could go over 100
sweet summit
:weSmart:
sweet summit
only problem is the wall 
median tulip
TBH I wish they'd made it a Rage-over-time effect. I'm kinda bored of feast-or-famine gameplay
median tulip
What will be our second leggo btw? Wall or Cov one for pew pew
Your second legendary has to be Unity
frosty holly
Won't we be able to do another one sometime in the future? I'm so damn sleepy i honestly can't remember
sweet summit
nah
frosty holly
Dang.
sweet summit
yep
frosty holly
Oo well. Guess I'll start getting mats for a belt then.
median tulip
You get a belt with it on at 265 (?) for free
sweet summit
265 yea
frosty holly
Tru. Might just keep that for tanking and craft unity on another slot for DPS. Seeing It would clash with EB for arms
Another unity that is
frosty holly
Now the question is. What is a good slot for unity that works for both Arms and Fury
sweet summit
boots/wrists
frosty holly
Wrist perhaps.
median tulip
I'm going to craft different ones with different stats on
frosty holly
Prob wrist then. Seeing EM Needs to be on Boots.
sweet summit
unity is EM
sweet summit
but you probably mean reprisal?
frosty holly
I could blame lack of sleep again. But smol brain wins
median tulip
Reprisal on Boots; I might well put Unity on Ring
I could do wrists or neck though. The benefits of having a max rank Jewelcrafter and Blacksmith
frosty holly
Have both in guild thank god. So just need to bring the mats I've made 5 291 so far. Haven't costed me much. Unless one factors in the gold one could have made from selling mats
median tulip
I could even do cloak, as I have a tailor as well
frosty holly
Should prob waited with doing EM on boots. But wanted it for progress. So will just have to eat that mats loss. I blame my first tier piece being pants
frosty holly
About to make reprisal on boots now so i can actually use my 2 set if i tank.
frosty holly
EB is kinda hardstuck to be on belt until you have all other tier pieces. So I'm fine with that
sweet summit
yeah
median tulip
Is it week 8 that you can trade in non-tier pieces for tier?
sweet summit
i believe so
frosty holly
That's when I'll start caring about tier for alts then xD
sweet summit
same
frosty holly
Really don't wana pug. Even if normal aint to bad
frosty holly
Wup 262 In tank gear now with 291 Rep on boots. Sadly no real tank trinket yet
median tulip
Even if you don't get tier from vault, if it offers you a 278 non-tier piece in a tier slot there's a strong reason for taking it ahead of week 8
frosty holly
Mm
cinder nova
my plan is to get lucky vaults <:deswind:533073964096946176>
Is it still worth to go for the 8 STR gem
sweet summit
i had completely forgotten that exists
cinder nova
Is that a no?
sweet summit
does not sim better for me so that is a no
cinder nova
Wait.
Question
At what rating or % does Vers and Crit start DRing
Since they share value for DPS I figure if I've DR'd one into the ceiling it'd be better to enchant/socket the other.
sweet summit
35x30 (crit) = 1050 rating
40x30 (vers) = 1200 rating
cinder nova
Those are the ratings?
sweet summit
edited
urban portal
The more crit mastery you have the less you have to press block
tender oyster
35x30 (crit) = 1050 rating
40x30 (vers) = 1200 rating
This is where you should shoot for then spread out stats more?
mighty valley
DR happens in phases
Like, Haste starts to fall off at 30%, but still prob your best stat til 40%
The other stats are all close enough that you shouldn't worry too much unless one of them gets enormous
mighty valley
Nah probably won't be
Warriors are getting their rep from 4 dps warriors on some bosses
errant oriole
hey guys i am just curious why hykon is using the wall for raid? did anyone notice this?
shut summit
you alternate between it and reprisal depending on fight
shit like lords of dread is awful to try and maximize reprisal
mental scarab
@shut summit our master
upper flame
Why is "Best served cold" prefered over Booming voice? It seems like booming voice brings way more utility and can do stronger bursts with voice + avatar + spear of bastion
strong forum
Revenge is a huge part of your dmg
median tulip
Why is "Best served cold" prefered over Booming voice? It seems like booming voi...
Because of the synergy with Reprisal
strong forum
And you get the benefit from reprisal
So you very frequently get the +50% dmg buff to revenge
Which will out-do BV in dmg
Starting with 4p you will start using BV again solely because of the increase in rage gen, because that's the endgame for pwar. Maximise rage gain to get more and more outburst procs
strong forum
You're not pressing enough buttons in generals SS and TC are both low
You have a very high usage of IP
jagged pier
also running HR, u shouldnt be running that
and when u get teir set u 100% dont run it ever
strong forum
You only generated 3.9k rage in a 7min40sec fight
When the R1 log generated 2.5k rage in a 3min53sec fight
Meaning you're generating around 40% less rage than you should
Your cpm of SS should be around 17 but it's only at 12 which is a huge factor
jagged pier
13-17
depends on boss
there are point when your not hitting hal
on somthing like skolex 17ish for sure
strong forum
I guess cuz their kill time is so much slower?
jagged pier
maybe i mean im around 14 on halondrus but i actually run around and soak stuff cause dps are mongos
and i move away on intermissions
cause dps need 'the room'
like 16-18 if your 100% uptime
but alot of bosses u do actually get like small regular bits of downtime
which adds up
tropic linden
i have 13% haste, maybe that's the reason my SS casts are low? Because i put my log in wowanalyzer and said that i somehow casted more SB than i should be able to
sweet summit
it's low because you're barely pressing revenge
tropic linden
it's low because you're barely pressing revenge
Oh, because i'm pressing too much IP. I get it now
I'm a little afraid cause i'm 231
How much block% is normal runing AM? 85%?
strong forum
In raid it should be close to 100%
should but doesn't have to
Cuz more often than not its fine to take a few hits without SB up in raid
wild hemlock
Starting with 4p you will start using BV again solely because of the increase in...
in raid im assuming?
jagged pier
everywhere
wild hemlock
oh shit cool
blazing condor
Even for seismic?
tropic linden
I don't get BV over DR in ST, the flexibility to use the dmg reduction from BV whenever you want instead of using on CD and not having for a big spike for me at least is huge.
And DR also gives rage
jagged pier
and 20% isnt much DR
u get more out of it using it on CD
than holding it for a 1 time thing
strong forum
Even for seismic?
Think real hard
strong forum
And DR also gives rage
But less rage than BV, and also dragon roar loses huuuuuuuuge value as soon as there's a 2nd target on the field. BV doesn't
But in absolute pure ST, yes DR isn't bad
blazing condor
Think real hard
robust rover
Starting with 4p you will start using BV again solely because of the increase in...
Is this even for M+ that with 4piece you would use BV?
sweet summit
that's what we have mwahi for 
strong forum
I thought mwahi was the theory guy
sweet summit
he's supposed to tell us all the hidden tech
sweet summit
strong forum
Cuz why play for 5+ weeks and try to snipe tier when you can just get it all in 1 go a few weeks later
robust rover
Atleast in theory, idk how the practice eventually plays out
Thanks!
uncut juniper
What slot do we choose for Unity? 🤔
jagged pier
wait until u have all the tier
wild hemlock
yeah im not crafting til i have 270 whatever max ilvl tier is
not counting end bosses cause we prog til late lmao
and my guild died after CE sylv
anyone need enh sham
oblique garnet
Even for seismic?
Never
lime plume
Are people running the Wall for Skolex? I usually run reprisal for everything but I’m getting smashed by that boss and finding windows to actually make use of Reprisal when I’m anchored next to him and my co-tank seem limited, so that seemed like a good alternative.
strong forum
Do what you need to do if you can't get value out of reprisal you're better off running wall
Easiest would be just to check logs for legendary choice imo
mossy ferry
@sweet summit Thanks for posting MDT routes. Do you have one for DOS? I'm still trying to get a handle on how to pull Ardenweald, like where to tank packs so DPS doesn't accidentally pull in Matriarchs. 😫
Also, your Gambit route seems short a couple percent - is MDT wrong?
mellow bridge
yea Skolex does look like a wall fight
sweet summit
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no notes on tehre tho
mossy ferry
Oh, good call breaking up the pull in front of Ardenweald.
I assume Wo skip through Mechagon?
sweet summit
ye
sweet summit
Also, your Gambit route seems short a couple percent - is MDT wrong?
yeah idk, i need to re-do it
there is something fucked with it
mellow bridge
i think mdt % in gambit are not 100% correct
I've def been overcount by like 2-3% when mdt showed an almost clean 100%
arctic whale
they've updated and it's correct now
sweet summit
oh sick
jagged pier
Are people running the Wall for Skolex? I usually run reprisal for everything bu...
i dunno when i did it on wednesday i had wall up for every other 1
craggy pilot
do we take this yellow pack in Halls? 🤔
and is it possible to pull it without the Houndmaster in the corner?
jagged pier
wtf is that green pull
craggy pilot
its not one pull 😄
im just marking out to see the % of the dung
i usually adjust pull size on the fly depending on grp dps, and affixes
lofty widget
you can chain the yellow pack into shard, rogues and mages will love you
craggy pilot
ye but is it worth to switch up the route to include that pack?
plush tendon
yea, you can pull the yellow pull with the shard without pulling houndmaster
we do that in our route
though, highly recommend no hounds with shard
sweet summit
Also, your Gambit route seems short a couple percent - is MDT wrong?
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mighty cairn
any prots got the chance to play w tier in m+ yet
any noticeable diff or is it p chill
upper flame
Do I understand it correctly that we don’t want to use whirlwind, like, ever?
chrome falcon
@mighty cairn 4 set is insane in m+
urban portal
@mighty cairn yeah 4 piece is insane
chrome falcon
avatar caps your bar and gives your next global a free IP
sometimes you can press thunderclap and it actually does damage on big pulls
takes some practice to not waste procs but it's basically just all upside
jagged pier
well u should never press TC with it
SS is still more damage
as it gives 2 revenges as well
chrome falcon
sure but sometimes SS is on CD and you want the IP straight away and the TC on 6 targets does slightly more damage than an SS on one target
a true thing of beauty
sturdy sable
Yeah but you miss out on the rage
And thats the main point of using in on shiekd slam
latent pier
I'm sure this has been covered before and apologize, search didn't really yield much. How impactful is the set bonus for raids, m+ and all that?
jagged pier
u dont miss out on the IP u get that regarless
dark lark
How often is the 2p proccing?
chrome falcon
Uh
dark lark
Like once a minute?
sweet summit
a lot more than that
dark lark
Guesstimate?
chrome falcon
WAY more than that
dark lark
Ah
sweet summit
give me a few and i can check logs
dark lark
It's a total of 240 rage spent to proc?
chrome falcon
I mean it depends on how much rage you're generating
dark lark
30x8?
latent pier
was anyone stress testing it on ptr? I'd like to see a vod if one exists.
ionic fern
?
sweet summit
stress testing on ptr?
ionic fern
I'm also confused.
latent pier
the set bonus
ionic fern
Stress testing what?
latent pier
hello
ionic fern
Doing your rotation properly?
Yes, i understand you mean "the set". But literally what is there to stress test?
o.o
urban portal
Hello
latent pier
idfk, how impactful it is
urban portal
Stress test your fingers
rugged mural
Asked in general but didn't get much back. If I play Arms and Fury for both Raid and M+ and also play Prot in M+, where would you recommend I put Memory of Unity and with what stats? I'm thinking Reprisal on boots, Signet on ring, Enduring Blow on Waist, Deathmaker(?) on back. Unity on other ring feels "safe" because it wont overlap with tier. But helm or legs would be better? Crit/Haste good for arms, decent for prot, subpar for fury but not too big of a loss?
urban portal
Wrist?
sweet summit
wrist haste crit i think
rugged mural
Thank you
latent pier
:o
sweet summit
from the 2 set alone there assuming no overcapping and only using SS with outburst that is 5 670 rage gained
wait no
that's a lie
latent pier
Does "more effective" include threat gen? Or is it just rage gen/dam?
sweet summit
Does "more effective" include threat gen? Or is it just rage gen/dam?
damage = threat gain
wild hemlock
thats pretty hype erga
latent pier
2pc looks more hype than the 4pc
sweet summit
phat damage
latent pier
how is the damage with the set bonus?
sweet summit
how is the damage with the set bonus?
i'm averaging like 10k in good dungeons
latent pier
not bad, I think.
sweet summit
good dungeons being not tazavesh, not top and not spires
latent pier
I feel pretty beefy as prot but always felt like my damage was the weak point.
wild hemlock
I feel pretty beefy as prot but always felt like my damage was the weak point.
im backwards lololol
latent pier
I personally prefer nf over kyrian for tanking, aftershocks is nice for caster groups.
latent pier
That over niya?
latent pier
Gonna try that then
I was thinking the HP bonus and mast would be better overall
been kyrian too damn long. :(
ionic fern
<@!238357283996696576> what's wall cd with am and 4set again?
Can't remember exactly. With The Wall it was ~50s
latent pier
What do you guys do if you're kinda sitting on a DCD for too long, but aren't confident in the group's ability to handle a bigger pull?
Been pugging to gear up, it's hell. :)
sweet summit
dcd?
sweet summit
i'm not sitting on cooldowns
last stand is an offensive cooldown with unnerving
shield wall is used to dampen hard hitting attacks and/or cover for gaps in shield block
latent pier
I find myself sitting on wall too long sometimes when my health bar just straight up isn't moving that much. But when I'm not confident in the group's ability to handle more Idk what to really do with that. I'll start using LS offensively though, that sounds good.
ionic fern
Don't stress about it.
I'm pretty sure i used SW Like once in the last dungeon i did.
Or just pull bigger.
latent pier
that's my go-to when I'm confident xD
Thanks lads.
gonna farm some keys and cry now.
oblique garnet
@sweet summit Are you playing seismic in keys?
sweet summit
yeah
oblique garnet
Even if the damage is worse
Would rather just not risk it with healers making questionable plays
sweet summit
i'm just too used to infinite rage and shield block with reprisal at this point
seismic keys feel wrong 
real fossil
What would be the ultimate defensive setup in keys (because of bad play and an inexperienced healer)?
Necrolord/heavy repercussions?
With reprisal
sweet summit
i think so
not sure if necro or kyrian is better defensively in keys
overall necro is prob better with good fleshcraft usage ?
real fossil
There’s not much else to do tho I guess. Warriors feel more flimsy this expansion
Compared to say, Druids or brew
oblique garnet
🤔
I think thats just because you cant actually heal yourself vs the other tank but you definitely are not taking more damage
if you play correctly
sweet summit
that ^
mighty valley
we handle standard melee damage better than most
we do get owned harder by missed kicks etc
strong forum
I can’t go 5 globals without a heal
That's pretty sad
Usually you can go entire packs without needing a heal
Maybe not rn cuz 15s are infact not baby content without having tierset
vernal vale
My guildmaster is legit telling me not to charge on pull.
sweet summit
?XD
mighty cairn
sturdy sable
Next hes gonna tell you to reroll to something "tankier"
strong forum
Na i think his GM thinks you can't press other buttons during charge
strong forum
That would be my suspicion
sturdy sable
Even so like the gcd is done before you even get to a boss if you charge at max range
strong forum
It's a dumb thing to assume, but it's the least dumb reason I can come up with
sturdy sable
Maybe hes the other tank and struggling with threat and thinks charge is whats doing it
quaint glade
Next hes gonna tell you to reroll to something "tankier"
Something that I was told today in 14+ key
I was like this and I get /w you are thin reroll better tank
strong forum
Yeah pwar really got hit hard with nerfs in 9.2
We all know that
Some real nasty stuff they did to us
mighty valley
God I need more details on the don't charge guy
What else is this GM asking of people
strong forum
"don't play evangelism on priest, it's only a few seconds of atonement"
vernal vale
He legit thinks the paladin cannot get threat because of me charging
He also thinks that going necro once I get 4p and double legendary is the wrong choice
distant crystal
tell him it's not charge but you'll stop using it
then pump your face off w/o charging
w/ combat pots
ez
sturdy sable
Tell the pally to hit his buttons
sturdy sable
Also i was right
It was a threat issue lol
Is that pally also playing "defensively"?
strong forum
That's so dumb