maybe OPC better then haha
#protection
craggy pilot
craggy pilot
OPC + IQD
jagged pier
i dunno phial and sac are on my base tanking set
jagged pier
if i do push i equip aegis and RDM i guess
shell shale
Okay cool I'll give those a go later
craggy pilot
RDM?
topaz field
matrix
shell shale
From gaurdian
craggy pilot
ohye
shell shale
My guild doesn't need a tank sadly so I'm DPS until keys.
Been super enjoying prot this season tho
lofty widget
where do we craft unity once it becomes available? just belt?
ionic fern
lofty widget
yeah i saw... 
craggy pilot
this vs a 255 Sac? 🤔
stuck wraith
Hey all. My raid lead linked me this log as comparison and I am extremely confused. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/MNAfH6Qy3cRvLBx2/XGDWgb4wPQHRcxnT#fight=18,29&type=damage-done&graphperf=1&source=12,17 How is it possible for him to get numbers like that? I don't have rage, like, ever. I am always struggling to get rage, and the only way for him to have those numbers is to have rage galore. Can anyone possibly tell me why I never have enough rage?
stuck wraith
It's a side-by-side comparison of ours.
Only real difference I see is he has 2-set, but that shouldn't account for everything.
jagged pier
i mean theres a boat load to take from this already, u arent using your defeensive at all
you pressed SB 3 times
in an entire fight
?????????????????????????????????????
u were hit by 75% of the melees against u no mitigation nothing
and your running a leggo that supposed to boost your blocked hits
the other guy is running glory
he would have less than u
but he blocked far more hits than u
craggy pilot
12.5 CPM shield slam vs 17.8 CPM shield slam
stuck wraith
I mean, he also took 3.6k more dps than me.
jagged pier
your also just not pressing your buttins
craggy pilot
thats where your rage lack coming from
he presses shield slam 50% more often than you
that cant be only because of haste
jagged pier
I mean, he also took 3.6k more dps than me.
yes because they are stack infused strikes higher, and their fight is over a min longer
stuck wraith
But I don't have shield slam available like that. I feel like I try to press it every time it's up; maybe I don't get procs? Or maybe I miss it. I'm gonna record myself and see if I miss it.
strong forum
17cpm in raid fight is pretty normal
craggy pilot
when downtime you can click Revenge
strong forum
12cpm is low
craggy pilot
if rage capping click IP
strong forum
You're legit just not paying enough attention to your buttons Zurwyn its that simple
stuck wraith
See, I literally don't have Rage Cap, like, ever. I am always rage-starved.
jagged pier
so your spamming your rage to much
strong forum
You're rage starved because you don't generate enough
jagged pier
and your generating any through leggo at all
craggy pilot
See, I literally don't have Rage Cap, like, ever. I am always rage-starved.
that cant be right, you only clicked IP 3 times in the entire fight
jagged pier
your running repisal
yet u charged once in your kill
u didnt even intervene
thats a tone of rage your missing
jagged pier
along with the low SS and TC casts
strong forum
jagged pier
u cast spear 3 times
strong forum
Look at this difference in rage generation
jagged pier
in 4:30 mins fight
strong forum
You only used avatar once
You never tanked, you never used charge, you never made use of reprisal
craggy pilot
i was confused why the other guy not casting Intervene, then i remember hes not running Reprisal 😄
strong forum
Legit less than half rage generated
Because you're just not pressing enough buttons
jagged pier
u cast avatar once?????
craggy pilot
@stuck wraith warrior is all about RAGE and Converting rage into meaningfull stuff, Arms warr is exactly the same, using the most Rage efficient spell ALWAYS.
If you get rage gen down, you will zoom to the skies
you got it next time bro 💪 
jagged pier
u cast demo shout 3 times yet your running booming voice
your legit just not pressing your buttons
and not paying attention at all
strong forum
It's as simple as that
stuck wraith
Maybe I have the wrong midnset, but I'm trying to save my CDs for oshit moments.
craggy pilot
https://wago.io/4OdxiMMmN
@stuck wraith
stuck wraith
Like, Avatar is a DR. Demo is a DR.
craggy pilot
Avatar and Demo shout is not "oh shit" button
strong forum
Entirely wrong
craggy pilot
they are DPS button
jagged pier
avatar is not DR
stuck wraith
They both do DR though.
strong forum
Demo on CD
Avatar on CD
craggy pilot
Shield wall and Last Stand is your DR buttons
jagged pier
avtar and demo are not DR
jagged pier
like u didnt even use SW
strong forum
It may sound hard, but man, you're not pressing buttons. This ain't classic where you can get 99s by auto attacking :d
jagged pier
your literally starving your self of rage, all the time so u wont be able to do anything
strong forum
Yah
stuck wraith
Dumb question, but do I generate rage from blocking?
craggy pilot
should maybe pick Best Served Cold for easier rotation
strong forum
No
craggy pilot
but TBH with Anger Management, your Avatar and Demo Shout should be usable together almost always
strong forum
You don't generate rage from blocking specifically, you generate 3 rage from being hit by a melee attack
craggy pilot
and together with your spear also
for massive pump
how this guy has 252 mythic shard items 😮
strong forum
I don't wanna keep repeating myself but, press more buttons, maximise rage gain and with that you will increase your dmg multiple times aswell as become alot tankier
stuck wraith
Well if you look at my Sanctum logs I was a little better cuz I understood the fights.
Not by much tho lol
strong forum
And play around your legendary. Rage generation is the most important thing next to utilising block
stuck wraith
So I'm basically wanting to use Ava, Demo, and SoB on CD right? Not saving them?
jagged pier
like to be brutally honest u are getting hard carried atm
strong forum
I can guarantee you, once you will see a video of yourself playing, you'll notice how little buttons you actually press
quick coyote
CPM?
stuck wraith
casts per minute
quick coyote
Soz reading while driving lol
craggy pilot
lol bro drive :d
jagged pier
like i died on our desauage kill, and i was still top CPM on the fight
craggy pilot
dont do discord haha
stuck wraith
^
quick coyote
dont do discord haha
Lmao
craggy pilot
like i died on our desauage kill, and i was still top CPM on the fight
cus your alpha Jakey
stuck wraith
So the takeaway I'm seeing is: Press my buttons more.
jagged pier
i just press my buttons
jagged pier
So the takeaway I'm seeing is: Press my buttons more.
at a base level yes
craggy pilot
So the takeaway I'm seeing is: Press my buttons more.
also, you have Vers sockets
and Slimy Organ trinket :S
quick coyote
Where can we compare CPM?
jagged pier
to keep it simple follow these rules
- avatar demo and spear on CD
- use SB when you are actively tanking the boss
- use CD like SW and LS before big hits your health should never drop low
get used to those rules first
craggy pilot
So the takeaway I'm seeing is: Press my buttons more.
press SS+TC when rdy, press Avatar+Demo+Spear on CD, they should line up
strong forum
how you got that is beyond me
Raiding isn't hard 
especially tanking, if you can taunt on 4 you did your job, healers can cover alot of shitty play
craggy pilot
Raiding isn't hard <:ratge:890357732543168594> especially tanking, if you can ta...
haha i know, i have experienced shit tanks a lot in my guild 
strong forum
Healer can also cover a tank weakness in a fight.
Play together with your healers!!
craggy pilot
and i am still not allowed to tank 😦
strong forum
So whenever someone says X tank isn't good in raid
stuck wraith
Healer can also cover a tank weakness in a fight.
Play together with your healer...
Yeah my RL is a healer. That's kinda why he's calling me out.
strong forum
Just tell them to kindly fuck off
strong forum
Yeah my RL is a healer. That's kinda why he's calling me out.
Is nothing wrong with that
ocean reef
strong forum
It's good that you're coming here so you can become better
Just get the mentality out of your head to "save CDs for when you need them"
stuck wraith
This is the trinks I have. Weave is 226. Gland is 252. IQD and OPC is 246. Codex is 226.
strong forum
It's better you used a CD poorly than not at all
craggy pilot
Just get the mentality out of your head to "save CDs for when you need them"
well, you can do that with SW and Last Stand
strong forum
Eeeh
craggy pilot
This is the trinks I have. Weave is 226. Gland is 252. IQD and OPC is 246. Codex...
go gland+OWS i guess?
strong forum
Sure you can but it's not advised
stuck wraith
I tend to switch trinks based on what I need on a fight.
craggy pilot
If you can use SW often
tru
craggy pilot
ye, and AM will reduce SW a lot
stuck wraith
For that one, I was taking big hits from the dot expiring so I rocked Gland to give myself a nice 20k or so self-heal
strong forum
You will know if you can safely use SW or not
Why sit on a CD, fucking use it
That's why it's a CD and not a 1 time use in combat like a health potion
stuck wraith
I'm using the Mikanikos thing that auto-phials. Should I not?
strong forum
In good guilds healthstone are treated as a raid CD
Where they use them at specific timings or get called to use them in spicy situations on the go
stuck wraith
Yeah we save health stones for when we have no healer cds available, prescripted
Well. He had no lock.last night but we usually do
strong forum
I'm using the Mikanikos thing that auto-phials. Should I not?
Not in raid no
Auto phial bad
jagged pier
nome u go left side in raid
there not point in the middle
3 potency still bad but better than the haste buff
jagged pier
left side top
strong forum
Ah, then still take that
3 potency full ham
( the ham being implied here is 2% dmg gain)
jagged pier
yep
but its better than fueled by violence or BV
i guess u can go right at top then left side and take ashen and spear confuit still
craggy pilot
( the ham being implied here is 2% dmg gain)
huge
stuck wraith
So what Potency conduit goes in the middle?
strong forum
And swap unnerving focus with condensed anima sphere
stuck wraith
Well, left half-way down
strong forum
Ashen jugg
jagged pier
jagged pier
well yer
strong forum
Gotta make use of that 100% IP uptime
jagged pier
but i dont have it
jagged pier
vault didnt want to give it to me
strong forum
Next week for sure
craggy pilot
the "bonus efficiency" from tier, increases the rage gain as well right?
jagged pier
yes
craggy pilot
why did they not make it work on Revenge tho 😢
jagged pier
stuck wraith
craggy pilot
"next Slam or Thunder Clap blabla" but Thunder Clap so poo you dont even want it
jagged pier
nope
craggy pilot
just do it on only Revenge 🤷♂️
jagged pier
u still want sphere in the middle path, u go middle path inkeys
stuck wraith
Gotcha. It's slotted now.
So basically, use my offensives on cooldown, press SB and IP more, and DEFINITELY press SS more. That's the takeaway here?
craggy pilot
SS and TC
strong forum
Avatar on CD
Demo on CD
Spear on CD
SW and LS as you need them, but don't sit on them for too long.
SS absolutely on CD
TC on CD
Revenge pretty often to use rage
SB to empower SS dmg and block Hits
IP to dump rage to prevent overcapping, and small defensive buffer
craggy pilot
SS takes prio over everything when it is rdy
strong forum
Make use of reprisal, charge when you can fit it in
Intervene on CD on a melee Player for rage and block gain
!
craggy pilot
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene
/stopmacro [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]
/targetparty
/cast Intervene
/targetlasttarget [help]
very shit macro that autotargets a random party member near you
cut the last part out if you just want hover macro
craggy pilot
you can do
/cast @Guhguhlean Intervene
stuck wraith
But I'm running into a problem with how much frontal cleave cone these bosses have so it's not ideal for me to turn the boss like that, since he's behind the boss when I intervene
Oh fr?
Do I just have it Intervene my cotank, since he's like basically right next to me?
stuck wraith
Yeah that's why I don't do it. Seems bad asf
jagged pier
and u shouldnt tie intervene to 1 person
craggy pilot
#showtooltip
/cancelaura Bladestorm
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene
simple hover macro
stuck wraith
I find having it tied to one person makes it a one-button press instead of having to stop paying attention to find someone to intervene.
craggy pilot
also very useful for extra mobility when Leap is on Cd
stuck wraith
I actually do use Intervene for mobility. I just forget to use it for SB uptime >.>
It was really handy on Sylvannis p1 darkness 😛
Or getting back in after taking arrow out
jagged pier
u can just walk out of that
craggy pilot
u can probably swap out leggo, and be fine without it
stuck wraith
omg I literally switched to Reprisal bc I was told to last time I came here. I just am not utilizing it like I should.
jagged pier
well yes
craggy pilot
is Reprisal better than Glory @jagged pier ?
jagged pier
that depends on what u want
stuck wraith
I do have 80 renown in Necro, since it's good for PvP
Would necro be better?
Looks like Kyr is still top based on the stuff I see.
stuck wraith
I think the Bracers, tbh. That ilvl is nice and we scale high off of it, right?
jagged pier
necro is better for damage, but u have to run glory which, mean u have no defensive benefit from leggos, u have to be much more on the ball with your buttons and when to use stuff
craggy pilot
its for my Pala Alt tho 😄
stuck wraith
So 4 set and double leggo, go necro? O_O
craggy pilot
Sigil sick for Ashen Pala, but probably kinda sad for M+ Kyrian
jagged pier
So 4 set and double leggo, go necro? O_O
only in raid
stuck wraith
Still Kyr for M+?
jagged pier
or NF
stuck wraith
interesting. I haven't tried NF all xpac.
One last question.
Do I want more Haste and less of something else, like Vers? I feel like Vers is good for DR but I'm seeing more haste-stacking on other people.
lime urchin
Just stack ilvl
stuck wraith
Bc more haste roughly translates to more cpm, right?
jagged pier
vers isnt good
lime urchin
And go haste
stuck wraith
(and what I'm getting at here is fixing enchants and gem sockets)
jagged pier
u literally go strength >>>> haste >> ver/crit>> mastery
stuck wraith
lime urchin
That better be on a Dudu or smt
stuck wraith
That's just the best ring I've got to drop for me so far.
I can get a guildie to make a boe ring for me when he gets on.
lime urchin
Just stack ilvl and if same ilvl go for haste
And enchant + gem for haste
And slap revenj!
stuck wraith
A'ight cool. Thank yoU!
quick coyote
Currently I have a 220 OWS and 226 RDM. Whats best trinkets for us to run these days?
strong forum
Yup
jagged pier
erga gunna be number 1 again today
strong forum
The ballpark isn't even open, it's just people trying to climb the fence
jagged pier
sweet summit
so don't get any real score
sweet summit
need score for e-peen !!!
jagged pier
KSM mount for e-peen
neon vigil
guys one question pls
on vault drop Codex of the First Technique trinket is work or shit?
strong forum
It's a very good defensive trinket
Offensively not as attractive
But a good cop nonetheless
runic sparrow
Aegis is absolutely nutty yes
strong forum
Aegis is infinitely better
And Codex is a shitty knockoff aegis
But good because its up so often
deft hinge
u yellows are doing an excellent work giving advice day and night in here with swift responces helping people out. u should get paid in my opinion!
strong forum
❤️
wild hemlock
theyre GOATED
median tulip
In case anyone is interested, you cannot obtain Unity by using the item from the Korthia dude that gives you a random legendary memory you haven't already obtained
safe thistle
someone tried while been revered ?
median tulip
I don't think anyone is revered yet
strong forum
Physically impossible to be revered
safe thistle
it require revered but if you could get there before it unlock "maybe" it could had worked
chrome falcon
help a poor unfortunate soul out
i think it's between the trinket which means pretty mediocre or the helmet
but we're probably killing hc anduin this week so i don't want to take the helmet before then
strong forum
Legit all awful options
Cloak shit cuz I believe glory goes there
Legs and Helm awful cuz tier
Pick trinket, or the weapon for tmog
Rest is legit useless longterm
chrome falcon
I can't justify taking a 6 ilvl weapon upgrade
I grabbed the legs, 105 more haste and a shitload of stats
Probably replaced within 2 weeks but that's gaming folks
strong forum
But tmog
strong forum
No I haven't seen it
median tulip
I would have taken the legs, because a: you are going to want to recraft your legendary onto boots anyway, and b: you can always trade them in for the tier piece if you don't get a drop by week 8
hollow dove
Im running 246 BSC and 252 Aegis. I now also have a 252 pocket protoforge. Would it be worth to swap one of the two out for protoforge?
hollow dove
RiP D:
strong forum
Basically take all raid trinkets you can see on sepulchre and delete them
Whenever possible don't loot as tank
hollow dove
aight will do, thanks for the tip 🙂
radiant magnet
trade them to a bdk
craggy pilot
i would probably take the cape, for the times when using Reprisal
sweet summit
can make one easy
strong forum
It's literally just a buff tracker
strong forum
Super easy to make
inner sable
I understand the faults of the trinket but is a 278 anima field emitter worth using ?
tame jasper
we weakaura wizards does not show me the possbile to enter custim seplls
just the warriors buffs :/
strong forum
I understand the faults of the trinket but is a 278 anima field emitter worth us...
It's pretty good, yes
inner sable
Thanks king, ill run that and my aegis
rugged mural
Anyone have a working WA for the Urh Force Slam. I have a combatlog>spellcaststart>spellname>force slam but it doesn’t seem to show. I’ve been caught a couple times in larger pulls.
west walrus
🧐
sweet summit
pog champ
west walrus
Sad, two rings haste/versa 😂
strong forum
Longterm those rings are better
jagged pier
☝️
west walrus
I know
tender oyster
Since i didnt get a solid answer yesterday, is there a % haste value to aim for? The guides are not in sync on what secondary stat weights are. My understand is haste>vers>=crit=mastery. Am i totally misunderstanding these? Looking for some insight
strong forum
No specific %
west walrus
That's why I did not pick any item yet
tender oyster
No specific %
Is there a breakpoint/cap?
strong forum
No
tender oyster
Ok thank uou
west walrus
Isn't it 30% ?
strong forum
30% is 10% tax
Which is negligible
Going from 990 to 1320 haste you lose 33 in total
fluid beacon
My first week's vault is kinda doodoo. M+ loot is a cloak boots and a 278 field emitter. It's kind of a sim trap but honestly the haste at 278 is massive. The raid has big maps but a lot of times you do just stand still and tank. I think it has decent value on some fights honestly
strong forum
Anime emitter is good.
Solid 20-30% uptime in almost all scenarios unless you legit perma run
fluid beacon
Ya. I've always gotten a max level one in my vault which is funny but this time around I'll probably use it
Yea when I used it in 9.0 it procd a ton. In raids I can't imagine it being bad at all
strong forum
And in scenarios where you're running, all stats are meaningless
west walrus
Stichflesh's ring the better right ? more haste
fluid beacon
Field emitter it is. Plus I can roll dps for trinkets and trade to my guildies
jagged pier
yes
west walrus
I currently have a 252 one :p
fluid beacon
278 emitter is like 10% haste or something. It's pretty insane
Diet bloodlust every few seconds as long as you stand in it
strong forum
Should be like 11% ya
fluid beacon
craggy pilot
any notes about this route? 🤔
chilly brook
any notes about this route? 🤔
Yea don’t have bad dps
Jokes aside looks fine
Key seems actually pretty forgiving this week
Almost timed it even with 30+ deaths
craggy pilot
quite different to not do the right side first though i guess
but kinda like skipping as many houndmasters as possible
chilly brook
Wait
craggy pilot
but tbh the first area doesnt seem that scary
chilly brook
How you get up to that halkias
lofty widget
pretty sure theres a gate blocking that stair
chilly brook
There are no secondary stairs
radiant magnet
theres a gate
craggy pilot
rip
jagged pier
thats a bad route
radiant magnet
gate might open if you kill a pack or something, but not sure
craggy pilot
are the Encrypted any worth changing route for?
like including a diff pack for 1 extra Encrypted buff?
chilly brook
are the Encrypted any worth changing route for?
I’m sure they are
craggy pilot
the CDR one seems huge on Prot Warr
chilly brook
But I haven’t
radiant magnet
no one goes that way really, so who knows. mysteries abound. scooby doo shit.
craggy pilot
so many CDs that give value
craggy pilot
theres a gate
shit youre right 😄
radiant magnet
yep. doubt it opens. you could go on Normal/Heroic tho, kill packs near it. might be a trigger
sweet summit
if that lfr tier allows 2 set or 4 set it is better
blazing condor
Lfr (to live)
cunning knot
sturdy sable
1/10
strong forum
Trash
jagged pier
love getting a 262 helm imma replace with a 252 teir piece when i get another one
chilly brook
love getting a 262 helm imma replace with a 252 teir piece when i get another on...
hardy ridge
Meeres is playing reprisal necro without double lego or tier 👀
jagged pier
becuase that what u do
hardy ridge
Oh yeah? I thought kyr was better before double leggo and tier
urban portal
Anyways I've been playing necro
It's about the same
In raid it doesn't rly matter
Rly depends on what you can cheese with phial
Fleshcraft is so much better on average
hardy ridge
Ayt, i've been playing kyr in raid but imma try out necro tonight
hardy ridge
Big rwf tank?
Yeah, tanking for echo along with naowh
chilly brook
Meeres is playing reprisal necro without double lego or tier 👀
The answer to why is simple
the raid deemed it better than whatever personal gain he gets from kyrian
And since you're not gonna get necro from your DPS warriors anymore 
hardy ridge
You think they organized banner groups for their splits? I suppose it doesnt matter what you play for splits
chilly brook
You think they organized banner groups for their splits? I suppose it doesnt mat...
You don't need to organize it
hardy ridge
Exactly that is what i mean
chilly brook
You just buffing two random DPS is more value than spear ever would be
hardy ridge
You need to organise 2 people to be close to you at certain times
chilly brook
"hey you two be here at this mark when I call for you to be"
"hey start moving to the mark"
"giving buff in 10 seconds"
much organization
But in all seriousness
They're world first raiders, it's not that big of a deal for them
hardy ridge
Yeah definitely if you dont want to plan around the cds of specific specs which benefit the most out of mastery
chilly brook
What they do in splits they're gonna do in the actual RWF so yes they'd organize it if it was what they're going to do
hardy ridge
But thay doesnt really matter unless ur min maxing
Havent used banner before, does it only affect the 2 people closest when you pop it or could the buff change targets as they come closer
urban portal
Havent used banner before, does it only affect the 2 people closest when you pop...
Snapshots
chilly brook
Havent used banner before, does it only affect the 2 people closest when you pop...
the 2 closest when used
hardy ridge
Ayt ty lads
So you can stack with 2 other ppl on pull even if theyre ranged, pop it and charge in
urban portal
Yeah hopefully your Co tank as aggro so you don't move the boss
sick sentinel
Dh turned fury turned prot here. How is prot war in m+ lately?
wild hemlock
Dh turned fury turned prot here. How is prot war in m+ lately?
6% damage buff 🤣
chilly brook
Dh turned fury turned prot here. How is prot war in m+ lately?
same as always, doing fine but going to be blasting some good damage in 2 weeks
jagged pier
<@!179993058186625025> i lied
POG
sick sentinel
Good to hear, thanks for the input!
dense shell
hello , i'm going to craft a 262 with an effect of progenitor, but i dunno what . Any sugg ?
distant crystal
is the AOE damage one available yet
errant oriole
would you guys say there is a lot more magic damage in this raid vs sanctum?
outer sluice
what are prot secondary stat prio?
sweet summit
haste>vers>=crit>mast
outer sluice
ty
mighty valley
but ilvl is king
sweet summit
yeah
plush tendon
This is how I figure out my stat weights
cinder pasture
Vault didn't give me tier, but could have been worse
plush tendon
Not a great pickup though since its off first boss
but our Prot Pally tank told me its pretty good in keys, not so much in raid (havnt had a chance to try mine yet since I got it last night)
cinder pasture
That was the only ilvl upgrade I had in vault, other choices would just have been vendored 😅
plush tendon
That was the only ilvl upgrade I had in vault, other choices would just have bee...
then yea, good pick up for you then XD. Its for sure more valuable in keys then in raid thoguh
blazing condor
can confirm that gate skip is not patched in mists
maybe a 🐌 take but
someone asked before
agile pumice
It's just a little more precise now, same with leap skipping that one necromancer pack in wake
chilly brook
can confirm that gate skip is not patched in mists
it works
it's just very weird now
very particular placement because reasons
blazing condor
can we still leap?
cobalt grove
Does the ilvl of the item go out the window when it's a ring or neck piece
Because I got a 265 mast/vers ring from the timewalking event and its item level was significantly higher than what I was using as a stat filler
mighty valley
I wouldn't say out of the window but I'd trade a few ilvls for haste vs. no haste
how big a gap are we talking?
also since we're bumping up against DR now, the gap is shrinking
chilly brook
noice
sweet summit
nay
mighty cairn
errant oriole
So is it reprisal or the wall to use for prot as a good all around leggo for raid?
jagged pier
reprisal
errant oriole
Ok cool thanks also jakey so raids pretty prot war friendly then?
chilly brook
https://tenor.com/view/orc-world-of-warcraft-warrior-gif-17988353
I regret not getting this set
So good
tender oyster
What set is that
chilly brook
WoD gladiator set
cold zealot
do i pick shield or greed and play fury keys till i drop one?
cold zealot
yeah im crying inside
strong forum
the cloak is unironically your best bet
strong forum
yeah and shoulders gonna get replaced by any tier
shield you can get better from m+
that trinket is meh
ring is low
other trinket is lmao
cold zealot
hmm my guts would have told me to go shoulders for bigger upgrade and vers over the cloak
my only shoulderchance would be drad lords normal, if we get them
did 6h and 3n for tier already
strong forum
shoulders are short term increase
cloak is a bit longer
pick your poison
both sucks 😄
strong forum
🤔
cold zealot
im struggleing keys so hard
mighty valley
shoulders will make the most difference now, before we're all completely overpowered for m+ imo
strong forum
its practically day1 of a 14month patch
cold zealot
shoulders will make the most difference now, before we're all completely overpow...
Thats what my thoughts are toot
cold zealot
probably
cold zealot
i just dont get why im so bad rn, had no problems whole last season
strong forum
keys are 25% harder than they should be
mighty valley
it's scaled up more + we lost dom shards
mighty valley
plus we're getting less power from affix
cold zealot
i get those points, i know that i just cant get a grip on the difficulty
like dos15 this week cant live first pull
mighty valley
affix power might go up as people optimize routes better but last season affix was just free power
strong forum
like dos15 this week cant live first pull
youre not supposed ot live
youre supposed to kite
1y
constantly
strong forum
the thing that kills you in 1st and 2nd pull are the bonestrikes
from the skeletons
cold zealot
hmm i just want to be a beefy boy and spam revenge, but hearoic throw prison it is i guess
mighty valley
haven't done much dos yet but going left seems to make sense this patch, so you can blow everything on 1st pull and then have everything up for hakkar door later
strong forum
not heroic throw
literally
1yard
1 yard away from the small skellies is enough
bonestrike is a 1y melee range instant magic NUKE
nobody can tank that ability easily without CDs
nobody
cold zealot
okay, that might help me, i guess i just gotta learn a lot more nuances now
cold zealot
we did that but the pack infront of hakkar is just as deadly with almost no room to kite if you steathskip to it
blazing condor
The way id do dos now is just take first pack then go arden
You can probably do a wo skip through the entire passage if needed
But probably not worth
mighty valley
pack in front of hakkar has a night fae jar though
but yeah you can do first pack and wo all the way to ardenweald, feels cool, can't tell if it's optimal
blazing condor
pack in front of hakkar has a night fae jar though
Pack in front of arden has jar
The jar on hakkar side is down the ramp
Where the spirit patrols
mighty valley
i thought they were talking about the pack in the hallway, literally right before hakkar
since the point of going left is so that you can plan for having all CDs again for the hellpack outside hakkar wing
stealthskipping doesn't make much sense in hakkar hallway though since you have to go back down it after hakkar anyway
cold zealot
you can use 1. Lust on Hakkar then though, but i think its not worth it on fort, i think id rather lust 1. or 2. pull and play hakkar without lust then
i meant wo skipping from 1. pull to hakkar door.
urban portal
good luck playing hakkar without lust on tyr
blazing condor
Eeehhh you didnt need lust on hakkar previous season on tyr
cold zealot
which is rough to pla then bc no cds and no room to kite but nf pot might be the move there then
blazing condor
But its defo nice
cold zealot
i guess our dps are just built different then bc my mates couldnt do that
mighty valley
yeah i think average players really want to lust hakkar on tyr this early in the season
but hakkar can be the last thing you do, you don't really need lust for final boss
cold zealot
yeah i mean the "average" player doenst even have ksm or 20 portals but still those players, including myself, cant handle that
mighty valley
yeah, i guess i mean... the average player among people who might look at discords or actually try m+ lol
jagged pier
yeah i think average players really want to lust hakkar on tyr this early in the...
well i was doing it in pugs, u just have to kill adds
not ignore them
and barrier is never too big
harder for sure
but do able
and longer
mighty valley
quality of player in pugs is very different at different levels
but yeah it's not like old hakkar
which was basically impossible at higher levels without lust
dawn canyon
i killed hakkar several times last week without lust
just takes a while 
we had a 3:30 hakkar
spooky ass boss
jagged pier
hardy ridge
Is there such a thing as too much haste
errant oriole
I am confused if tank defense is so close this xpac why is prot the step child so much? Lol
errant oriole
Ah ok just asking
urban portal
idk about that
plka only had 28s
every other tank had 29s and 30 on nw
cptrogers even had 31 on nw and pf
strong forum
still pretty fucking close if you ask me lol
given that about 3 people seriously pushed
even plka stopped later on
urban portal
yeah but plka was like #2
strong forum
yeah one of the 3 people that pushed
strong forum
he just didnt have a reason to
and doesnt like pwar all that much
he didnt play any of his tanks into 30s besides pally cuz he wanted absolute r1 on every key
like, just because he can play every tank to that level, doesnt mean he will
its an INSANE time commitment to push keys to that level
yes pwar is weaker in m+ than other tanks
but its not NEARLY as bad as people make it out to be, thats the whole point
mighty valley
expecting better balance than this is only setting yourself up for disappointment
someone's always gonna be last, this time it's us, deal with it or switch
strong forum
^
strong forum
And thats the only reason you need to play it
chrome falcon
yeah i could have done
but i would have only taken a cloak instead
so really i'm only losing out on like 9 armour and 11 strength
remote python
IGNORE PAIN, ABSORB BLEEDING?
mighty valley
Yeah, works on all damage
raven hatch
how do you handle severing slice in high sanguine depths keys
from the chamber sentinel
completely murders me
hollow bolt
i cant count higher then that so if u have 2 yell at ur team
sweet summit
parry it
runic sparrow
how do you handle severing slice in high sanguine depths keys
by playing a different class 🥲
oblique garnet
how do you handle severing slice in high sanguine depths keys
you can sidestep it
Once the cast starts you just strafe out
same as in bfa the waycrest manor cleaves
@sweet summit im surprised you didnt know
oblique garnet
it does
lofty widget
it does not
sweet summit
late...
mellow bridge
That has been changed ages ago
sweet summit
u parried...
lofty widget
prob a parry
mellow bridge
You just parried
oblique garnet
and no i didnt parry
sweet summit
oblique garnet
because i didnt get revenge proc
lofty widget
you cannot sidestep it
mellow bridge
It's literally a targeted ability
oblique garnet
yes
sweet summit
revenge peoc isnt 100%
oblique garnet
and you can still out range it
sweet summit
irs 3ppm
mellow bridge
No
sweet summit
3rppm
oblique garnet
So you mean to tell me im just highrolling everytime and parrying?
oblique garnet
Theres no way i consistently parry it 90% of the time
oblique garnet
or you mean tier set?
shut summit
Chamber Sentinel's Severing Slice now only strikes the primary target. june 29
sweet summit
best i can do rn is give u the ids
364006 - Seeing Red
364010 - Outburst
u can also check wago, probably something on there
chrome falcon
true true
oblique garnet
```Chamber Sentinel's Severing Slice now only strikes the primary target.``` jun...
yeah but that doesnt mean you can outrange the cast no ?
chrome falcon
did one key and pretty sure i wasted a ton of procs on TC 🤮
oblique garnet
man i really should set up logs on my new pc
shut summit
outrange it makes it recast onto something in melee
oblique garnet
Once the cast is happening and you move out it still targets you and doesnt put a bleed into you
or melee
maybe im just high rolling parries honestly at this point idk
oblique garnet
chilly brook
<:sadga:869134702970273812>
Ur just Bill Dipperly
oblique garnet
Next time i get SD key im logging and confirming if its just godtier rng or if you can actually outplay
mellow bridge
Ever since I've been playing my dh again I've killed enough dps while kiting to know that outranging doesn't work 👍
Maybe you just didn't realize it went on someone else lol
oblique garnet
Maybe you just didn't realize it went on someone else lol
Nah im not going too far its like the triple bite mob on mists
Just slightly strafing away once the cast is in motiin
keen epoch
hey guys! how good is the first boss shield for prot?
hasty heath
Need some help. Haven't played prot for a long time...
Is my uptime where it should be or more
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N7AmhHtwvVCZ6Drp/#fight=last&type=auras&source=2
mystic jetty
Do you got tier set? If not you should probably run heavy repercussions in dungeons until you do because you could quite easily reach 80-100% shield block uptime
hasty heath
Do you got tier set? If not you should probably run heavy repercussions in dunge...
2pc atm
mellow bridge
The solution to bad play isn't to play a talent that will make it slightly better
Especially when you're not really supposed to play it anyways
mellow bridge
Need some help. Haven't played prot for a long time...
Is my uptime where it sho...
Looking at uptime is meaningless
Especially because wclogs doesn't consider downtime
You want to look at your blocked hits under dmg taken
scenic mural
What % do you have to be at in pf before going down, 88?
mighty valley
you're at like 55%, that's not great for running Reprisal tbh
mellow bridge
That's very bad for reprisal in fact
And HR won't help with that at all
HR can only edge out a few more % when playing well already
You need to focus on your basic shield block uptime and utilizing reprisal
mighty valley
yeah, try not to rely on HR, you shouldn't really need it til VERY high keys
mellow bridge
Your blocked hits is basically at what you'd have without reprisal
hasty heath
you're at like 55%, that's not great for running Reprisal tbh
I'm really having a bitch of a time mousing over a melee to intervene sometimes. Anyone have like a /focus macro they can share?
Sorry what's HR short for?
mighty valley
Heavy Repercussions
hasty heath
You want to look at your blocked hits under dmg taken
I'm trying to find that now. Where would that be?
mighty valley
I use a mouseover macro and generally click on unit frames rather than character model
hasty heath
I use a mouseover macro and generally click on unit frames rather than character...
I mouseover my frame as well but, i have them on the left of my screen which aint ideal
mighty valley
Yeah so do I, I'm a boomer that's barely changed my UI
hasty heath
Yeah so do I, I'm a boomer that's barely changed my UI
😍
hasty heath
Heavy Repercussions
I'm specced for Anger Management*
mighty valley
Yeah that's good, someone else just suggested switching to HR and we were pushing back
anger management is for people who are cool
(until keys that are really really really trying to kill you)
mellow bridge
I'm trying to find that now. Where would that be?
You go under dmg taken
And then hover over hits for the relevant thing you want to look at
E.g. Melee hits
There are blockable abilities too that can be worth a look but melee hits are the majority of your dmg taken in a key and very easy to look so it's a good first step
If I had to guess you just charge in once into a pack and then don't use reprisal again
Intervening a melee is free to do and even finding more opportunities for another charge isn't that hard
Any hard cc works, charging a ranged, using a strong slow or your leap to do it are some ez ways
hardy ridge
should I enchant/gem vers if I'm 42% haste with into the fray
urban portal
its 40 before
cinder nova
What's the absolute value of DPS from PI in execute
hardy ridge
its 40 before
ty!
distant crystal
What's the absolute value of DPS from PI in execute
you can sim dat
cinder nova
how do
urban portal
Execute patchwerk
Google how to sim with pi
And just give yourself a single pi
That being said I'm surprised how hard rot warrior execute hits
Compared to dps warriors
cinder nova
It's the hardest-hitting Execute of the three specs.
It only gets out-gunned by Arms during its CDs in Exe
urban portal
Not even during CDs
I'm fairly sure prot generates more rage due to execute resetting ss
And having a lower CD on avatar since we take AM
jagged pier
tbh all the bosses until anduin are pretty ez
jagged pier
i mean the jailer has been killed on normal
but also lord of dread and reygelon
are both really hard fights
jagged pier
and the guilds that killed them basically killed them for teir sets
blazing condor
since theyve started mythic progging
jagged pier
jailer doesnt drop tier set
blazing condor
ah
jagged pier
he does drop weps so u might see it later on in splits
but there not much point right now
blazing condor
yeah thats makes sense
blazing condor
Didnt know he aint give no good stuff
jagged pier
2h wep good i think
ionic fern
Doesn't he drop the neck as well?
ruby stirrup
@jagged pier ya Jakey how strong prot warrior will be with 4 pieces , also what legendary to craft for prot in m+ and raid
jagged pier
strong forum
With full gear it'll be atleast 3 strong
ionic fern
Agreed.
jagged pier
i was gunna say at least 1 strong
lime urchin
Hello frens
Who here has the tusks?
And what did you whisper in Garrosj ear to make him give them to ya
jagged pier
no me i have around 600 kills
nome got them on his 3rd kill
oo that reminds me need to extend my lock out
jagged pier
i still love how i guy from my guild back in mop came in got them, refused to trade them, he didnt play plate classes and then quit the game
great
lime urchin
Oh boy
strong forum
Refuses to elaborate
jagged pier
yer that as well
blazing condor
I did that recently when i raided with my mates guild one night
They had some lootcouncil thing going on
And i got big upgrade
I aint gonna abide to their rules. Fuck em
analog burrow
Ahh the days of WoD where pug grps would put tier on reserve
west walrus
Prot warr is so bad it can handle all tank combos on Lihuvim HC
steel mist
guys is the sigil trinket good , as a big offensive and defensive trinket due to the vers ?
west walrus
'morning everyone 
strong forum
guys is the sigil trinket good , as a big offensive and defensive trinket due to...
Offensive yes, defensive no
steel mist
I see
strong forum
Technically for its window the vers is good defensively, but the 5min CD makes it stupid to be used defensively
shell shale
It was resetting last night
3 people in my guild have it and it was resetting according to them.
raven hatch
are bleeds, magic damage? silly question xD... if not, are at least some bleeds in the game magic damage?
strong forum
Bleeds are physical, but since you bleed on your skin and not your armor they're obv not reduced by it [armor]
ionic fern
strong forum
That makes perfect sense
steel mist
I noticed that vers trinket helped me with the mig of damage on halondris
and yes it was resetting on fights
strong forum
BTW the trinket works best if you don't have any vers on your gear
steel mist
i got like 17% vers since i switched my ring for more haste levels
strong forum
Doesn't the trinket grant like 1600 vers
That's 40%
So ideally to maximise the use of the trinket you want 0 vers
steel mist
offff, that will not be good while doing m+ dungeons
steel mist
yeah i noticed that
raven hatch
does codex trinket make our life easier in high keys?
strong forum
Cdr doesn't affect trinkets
raven hatch
or phial + blood spattered still the way forward
strong forum
In ultra high keys codex will gain more and more value defensively and offensively
But ideally you'd want to run aegis + something passive
raven hatch
aegis? from sanctum?
steel mist
i saw that pika is maining paladin tank
strong forum
He's maining brewmaster
raven hatch
even the 239 version
strong forum
Cuz of mystic touch
raven hatch
or is it worth going back mythic once everyone is geared for aegis?
strong forum
even the 239 version
239 not as much, 278 scale will be better on average
steel mist
oh wait , he has two tanks ?
strong forum
Plka has like 4 tanks
raven hatch
how do you get a 278 aegis though
strong forum
He's still playing pwar, but he's in brew prison for raid because nobody else is playing monk, so they need the debuff
raven hatch
oh wait
strong forum
how do you get a 278 aegis though
.... You can't
steel mist
damn that dedication , i could not help myself doing a 3rd time patterns within patterns
its too much
strong forum
Maintaining alts isn't all that bad once theyre all caught up
ionic fern
Aegis/Scale/Matrix/OWS/Phial
Pick 2 - Profit.
raven hatch
farmed dos 20 times this week for blood spattered
strong forum
Fun
lime urchin
Y u hurt yourself like that
Just do keys and your trinkets will come
Or go farm tusks
blazing condor
Idk why they just make dog shit trinkets for the new raid
Its not fun keeping what u already got
Smh my head
ionic fern
Wdym