pretty good, but not OP
#protection
sweet summit
plush tendon
Ion, please nerf to ground
stuck rock
Do the free IP from the tier set count as a stack for outburst and heals you or it does not count as used rage?
stuck rock
Ah would be cool if it did
sweet summit
strat for dragon boss
ranged stacks away from boss to bait
melee on tank
tank faces frontal on adds
that's it
free boss
the only nerf upper taz needs was last boss HP, but it already got nerfed
mighty valley
the dragon boss on hard mode day 1 was "holy shit a lot of mechanics are happening. oh we won? cool"
sweet summit
lol yea
plush tendon
still dont like
mighty valley
no
dapper coral
Is there a ballpark uptime for Avatar as Necro w/ 2 legos?
sweet summit
ngl i don't even know uptime with one lego 
dapper coral
Flipping through other logs and my own, it looks right around 40% if used near on CD w/ AM
I imagine it goes up to like... 45-50% w/ Glory/Permabanner...?
sweet summit
definitely a good bit higher than what it is now
i don't want to give a number tho cos i have no idea
errant oriole
hey I have a question is there any fights in this raid that have a ton of magic like sylvanas?
supple mesa
best effect to place on the 262 blue unique crafted gear?
inland wasp
i went with the shock one. delt about 6-8k dmg over the course of a raid fight. probably more in M+
limpid pawn
only did keys as prot so far this season, but for sure it seems far more skill intensive than on guardian druid last season lol
somber sky
Is codex of the first technique trinket bug fixed?
the one where it would wall pull from 100 yds away randomly?
hollow bolt
done 2 15's 2day i have no idea how theres people doing 20s
holy hell magic damage folds me faster then my dad with a belt
urban portal
done 2 15's 2day i have no idea how theres people doing 20s
not playing prot warrior is how you do it
erga is #1 prot warrior
and hes only done 16s
hollow bolt
i think the prot warriorsare like 18 right?
urban portal
hollow bolt
well shit nevrmind
hollow bolt
hopefully gets better with some tuning but jesus christ im getting my krussy eaten raw without permission
urban portal
brew is around the same power level as prot warrior rn
but brew has an insane tier set waiting
hollow bolt
our brewmaster also our main tank, im just a fucking shitter with a shield for the next few weeks
blazing condor
Vy mostly so far
urban portal
vy is consistent
uhr pops the fuck off on some classes
if you are playing for yourself then always vy
viral axle
255 So'leah's Secrest Technique worth it?
urban portal
Not bad
waxen orbit
what do you guys use
Uhr for most groups
Vy is good at start of boss pulls to directly chain into getting Uhr while you still have the haste buff
It’s possible to do stuff like that, for example, on first boss of NW
waxen orbit
i think the prot warriorsare like 18 right?
Yea I did a few 17s earlier with a scuffed comp and it was pretty easy. I or any other good prot warr could probably do 18-19 this week if we sweated and got a really good group together for it. The reason we aren’t seeing it is just because it isn’t worth sweating week 1 over content that will be 10x easier in a week or two’s time once we’ve acquired our tier sets
Highest Streets key done by any group this week so far is a 16 anyways
weak spindle
Streets is rough. Got a sizable nerf today might see more completing now
Trash is very unforgiving with amount of kicks needed ontop of them really hurting then also bolstering. Our pala tanks hp bar when we was doing it was legit 100 30 100 30 100 30
Looked like a blood dk 
cinder nova
tfw no week one 2p
jagged pier
Streets is rough. Got a sizable nerf today might see more completing now
it was easy before hand u just went left
erga was timing 16s yesterday
jagged pier
theres proof scroll up
blazing condor
Thats what leech does to you
mighty valley
I guess we all just need more vers to time these keys
blazing condor
At least 20%then it scales +3% for each keylevel over 15
tame jasper
Streets is rough. Got a sizable nerf today might see more completing now
main prob ist that ppl dont know mechanics of bosses
same as NW
dawn canyon
Bosses got x2 HP compared to last week
tame jasper
again depleted a 15 with 2,4k rating players cause they f*** dont know how to play 3rd boss
mighty valley
My guild did Taz hard mode a bunch of times so I feel like we know the bosses better than most haha
pallid musk
I felt I doing bit tanky bad this week in m+ when I use Thunder Clap when I can’t use any other abilities but due low rage or straved I may should set in Thunder clap and high rage - revege/SBash. Low rage - SBash/clap/SB
When rage is almost over 80 I’ll press IP as always
And I don’t have any other tank trinkets when SB is about to run out
So I wonder here, if I don’t have Ageis / spilltered scale. Which is next best tank trinket I should get as protection?
strong forum
Anime field emitter and scale are your best options in terms of defensive oriented trinkets
pallid musk
That Anime Field from SoA?
craggy pilot
did Vy get nerfed?
craggy pilot
Anime field emitter and scale are your best options in terms of defensive orient...
what about for offense?
AFE and Sac?
blazing condor
idk how bad phial got nerfed otherwise i'd say sac/phial
dark lark
What trinkets should I be farming during in keys? Thinking scale and phial of course, maybe ticking sack and codex as well?
blazing condor
scale sack is the play
dark lark
Sack > phial eh
mighty valley
Overall the chances of getting the exact trinket you want from dungeon farming is so low that I wouldn’t worry too much
Maybe prioritize DOS and Taz a little but don’t burn yourself out
dark lark
I randomly got the stat trinket from pantheon. I was hoping for conduits lol
sweet summit
i got PV from it 
craggy pilot
he had 226 Phial
blazing condor
what ilvl we get from the mf uh
craggy pilot
and he gave me the Sac anyway 😄
blazing condor
timewalking cache
sweet summit
252
craggy pilot
TW cache is 252
craggy pilot
i got the fucking Anduin ring on my DK
blazing condor
i gotta do more
blazing condor
sweet summit
don't think anything will change
sweet summit
si
craggy pilot
next week it pops off
valor tho
craggy pilot
entire S2 i didnt get a single 252 trinket from vault
sweet summit
upgrading from 255 is dumb when we barely have valor
craggy pilot
hmm ye might be tru
but for Shield/Wep/trinket it might be worth
and no clue if Tier set will be ugpradable with Valor anyway
so might save a bunch on those 4-5 pieces
craggy pilot
📈 hoooold
blazing condor
dump
blazing condor
they uploaded their consciousness to the blockchain now
damn @sweet summit just saw that ur #1 pwarr rn
autograph pls 🙂
sweet summit
🙂
blazing condor
also relics de-spawn with bosses right?
aka you can't reset a boss and kill relics
sweet summit
relics yeah, big relic man no
blazing condor
yeah thats what im thinking
and not many bosses that are super easy to reset in that way
2nd boss in SoA is like the easiest one but there's no gain there
sweet summit
yeah
jagged pier
damn <@!165864577760755712> just saw that ur #1 pwarr rn
Yer if u have the week off and time everything at 15 or 16. If i get 2 more 15s i dont have ill be less than erga but ill be like 1900ish
Got ti get them and do 8 keys on monk tho
Then try and time the keys i havent on warrior for the score
jagged pier
Whens it due?
sweet summit
thursday i think?
jagged pier
Plenty of time
sweet summit
ya
jagged pier
Thats wednesday evening after raid work
jagged pier
Thats like 5 mins work
sweet summit
no raid on wednesday
jagged pier
Just do that
strong forum
tfw have nothing due to nowhere
blazing condor
yeah no im just baiting
jagged pier
no raid on wednesday <:deswind:533073964096946176>
Eh? Erga mot raiding?
sweet summit
thursday sunday monday
jagged pier
tfw have nothing due to nowhere
I only have dead lines for work
jagged pier
thursday sunday monday
Odd not raiding on wednesday
sweet summit
ye
blazing condor
nope
you can run her on necrotic weeks cus she cleanses the necrotic stacks and gives you immune for some time after
otherwise you run mikanikos
shrewd bronze
Oh oki
stoic citrus
Is prot viable in m+?
blazing condor
yes
at the very highest keys other classes will make it easier compared to pwarr
but unless you're running highest of keys you just run whatever you enjoy
you had Pwarrs doing 29s last seasons so it's definitely not an issue
stoic citrus
Ok cool 😄
ember token
The issue with pwar in m+ is not the issue with the class but with mentality of other people around you
blazing condor
its a mix of people having FOTM mentality, pwarr being objectively harder to play correctly than most classes as well as pwarr not bringing as much group utility as other classes
well it's not bad but paladins just have a busted kit
jagged pier
i would say there are a lot more bad prot warriors than good out there
and ppl can tell when a prot warrior is bad but not when they are good really
compared to other tanks
no that is due to the class being hard to play
but ppl playing incorrectly and gett destroyed by packs and stuff doesnt help our case because everyone sees it
blazing condor
i can't really say much about other classes since i pretty much only play pwarr but yeah. Maybe it isn't "hard" per se but it's just not straight-forward enough that people will know what to do
jagged pier
well take it this way u cant really tell the difference between a bad - alright or good druid because theres like no difference in play
u will a really good druid because they will be shapeshifting and doing other stuff
but generally good and lower its like spam thrash
difference between like and bad - alright and good prot warrior is huge
blazing condor
tru
blazing condor
got afe on my first soa but doubt i'll use it over ows and aegis
also i swear the dps in m+ nowdays is between 6-8k
its horrendous
inland wasp
Have to remember dps lost shard bonuses and some were tuned lower to account for new stuff this season. That and keys are about 5 levels higher then what they really are
sturdy sable
Yeah but 6k is tank dps
strong forum
well due to the 6% buff, pwar is pretty much the same in regards of dom shard loss
strong forum
well thats just dogshit people
sweet summit
i'm averaging like 8k
blazing condor
every one ive had is dogshit now
sweet summit
but i also suck ass
blazing condor
it sucks
blazing condor
we still timed so whatever
but i swear
every key ive done this season is just boo
then again im not pushing high keys only like 13-15s so obviously not the best people there
strong forum
well yeah, cuz alot more bad people are doing 15s
cuz alot of bad people are playing
ykno
blazing condor
yea
zzz
people are just stupid and it is a wee bit tilting innit
druid who kept solar-beaming the etherdivers despite me saying that i can reflect
mellow bridge
pugs do not give a fuck about your SR
blazing condor
pugs dont give a fuck periodt
well fuck i got a taz key now
i aint never done it
rip those i do this with
sweet summit
which one
blazing condor
soleah
blazing condor
👉 👈 never done it
mellow bridge
actually she just got nerfed yday so maybe it's fine
sweet summit
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https://wago.io/TazaveshConsole/6 <- make sure entire group has this WA
sweet summit
yea
blazing condor
po
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oh pog i can actually do the wings in lfg for hc dungeons
if i wanna test shit cus i aint even know what anything does in there lol
can you pick up items like in NW when you're stealthed with wo?
sick sentinel
druid who kept solar-beaming the etherdivers despite me saying that i can reflec...
this happens way too often to me
pugs dont understand
i can reflect
lofty widget
most pugs dont know what reflect is
sturdy sable
Most pugs also assume your shit because you play prot warrior
So even if they know of reflect they assume you wont use it
west walrus
I tagged for a 15 mists, last spot for a fae tank. Declined in seconds
bright salmon
Is this the norm for M+ when a new patch drops? Just pugging is complete trash all of a sudden?
golden basin
How is the pocket protoforge trinket? Looks pretty good defensively but depends on proc rate I would assume
elfin atlas
It seems that way for me. I don't do high keys like a lot of you, but it seems that most M+ I go into, dps don't know mechanics and that I am in top 2 dps on the meters.
dawn canyon
Many people who dont m+ now do
That drags down quality and you cant really tell who's good
west walrus
Actually, I find it better to do pug than late S2
bright salmon
Just feels weird. There all 2k io from season 2, so I figured they'd be fine for a 10.
west walrus
Some bad surprises, but way more chances to find good people, as more are playing
blazing condor
is secret technique trinket any good for us?
no right?
yeah nvm looks kinda ass
blazing condor
yeah streets is actually ass lol
distant crystal
dungeon so bad they hotfixed it to be easier to give up
Ta'piks can now teleport you to The Gilded Landing if you wish to leave the instance during a Mythic+ run.
sweet summit
sweet summit
unlucky
plush tendon
Left is Right and Right is Wrong
blazing condor
also did the gambit route which probably is good as well but it got uber cringed
cus murlocs would run freely and pull n shit
plush tendon
gotta spear em my dude
sweet summit
yeah
blazing condor
i can only do so much 
plush tendon
Gambit for sure more fun; though those 4 guardians guys before 1st boss are cancer
jagged pier
do we know what KSM is ?
plush tendon
do we know what KSM is ?
2500?
sweet summit
2.5k yea
jagged pier
at least i got points on it now
blazing condor
is the bombardment on dragon pirate boss random or nah?
jagged pier
its not that struggle with is ppl
- not killing fish sticks
- no cc'ing running murlocs
- doing less damage than me
- no knowing the last boss mechanics
oh an no one intuprting brackish bolt
blazing condor
first boss is also very ass in a pug perspective
blazing condor
i mean yeah sure
but a boss that needs to be dependant on a WA to function is just
bad design
mueh'zala is close in that regard too but you can just talk which is fine
plush tendon
We had 0 trouble with trash; though I can see the guardians and the trash before last boss being brutal on Fort
dark lark
The breath mechanic for that boss is the worst. My guild found that stacking together in the breath until the very last second when you can move worked the best
dark lark
Well there we go
jagged pier
u cant really hold him anywhere
blazing condor
feels like that
dark lark
Initially facing the boats, but now I alternate where it starts and where we start
So going side to side, perpendicular to the boats
That way we don't get knock backed into the water
The breath itself seems to hurt less than the tail swipe and the cannons for my party
On a 15 tyr
So I told them that if you have to get hit by shit, get hit by that
Because at least they won't be in fire, impaled, or being punched
plush tendon
Still think the dragon boss is sus
jagged pier
@sweet summit coming for yah, even tho i now have to do monk keys and have no group to push with
dark lark
That was probably the only part of the dungeon that gave us trouble
plush tendon
The last boss aint bad, though its long
dark lark
The rest of the dungeon got nerfed
That boss is super fun, but can be rough on healers
So much group wide unavoidable damage
plush tendon
For sure
plush tendon
1 min?
its long
the mana and heal one might be better though; if we can learn (and then execute) how to proc the relic at a certain time in the fight
dark lark
That might help conserve mana and raid CDs until p2
dark lark
the mana and heal one might be better though; if we can learn (and then execute)...
Probably just spawn the deconstruction and tank him until when you need the buff
Even if the debuff hurts
dark lark
Tell them to stop padding
plush tendon
I play Fury in our keys tee hee
dark lark
Carry on
raven gulch
hey guys
jagged pier
hi
raven gulch
just started playing prot in 9.2 / returned to wow
how do you get reprisal?
- what piece of gear should it be put on?
blazing condor
how do you get reprisal?
Upper Reaches in Torghast (alternateively Twisting Corridors in torghast with Upper Reaches layout)
Boots
jagged pier
at layer 3
mighty cairn
any fellow copers think prot will get more heroic week tuning 🙂
jagged pier
its doesnt need it
plush tendon
Tank balance fine, just have to accept the community is dumb and doesnt realize that it isnt always the tanks class choice at fault for why they cant time their key
strong forum
Go out with a bang
Gimme that OPness
Cuz even if we are op we will have the least raid representation
jagged pier
i'd rather they jsut not design mechanics to ignore our toolkit tbh
jagged pier
perfectly fien to let AMS and spell ward ignore mechanics
but spell reflect cant even defelct or reflect spells
distant crystal
its cd is a little low to be that stronk
sturdy sable
Id rather it have a longer cd and it actually be usable then what we currently have to deal with
shut summit
same
distant crystal
I'd rather it stays this cd they just add some good hard hitting things to the reflect table so you can pump dam with it 😮
i miss cyclone strike 
blazing condor
with the Wo before 2nd drill in Mechagon area DOS you should be able to skip all the way to milhouse right?
dark lark
Thanks for your work!
distant kestrel
does Brutal Vitality gain value as a defensive conduit with the 4-piece Tier Set?
sweet summit
yeah
jagged pier
still bad
blazing condor
is FbV even better
sweet summit
no
jagged pier
well yes because we do more damage
stuck rock
whats apf
sweet summit
ya
waxen orbit
Yall have an abbreviation fetish in this discord I swear
blazing condor
abbreviate these nuts
waxen orbit
TN
blazing condor
ty
waxen orbit
Ofc ofc any time dawg
blazing condor
why waste time say lot word when few word do trick
sweet summit
many? few.
waxen orbit
It's scuffed
sweet summit
I LVE NFTS !P!?!?!?!111
waxen orbit
Feel free to screenshot
blazing condor
ZAMN!
waxen orbit
oblique garnet
I LVE NFTS !P!?!?!?!111
covert vessel
Should I get the rank 6 reprisal or wait for the 7's to hit the AH?
blazing condor
certain things yes
it can either reflect = shoot the thing back at the attacker, or deflect = negate the effect on you
or do neither but still act as a 20% damage reduction
covert vessel
ok cool
blazing condor
someone who loves explosives
urban portal
which game designer gave heroic throw a minimum range
its balanced because the dh throw has a cd
blazing condor
who tf cares about balance
lime urchin
ok
strong forum
its true
cinder nova
Is Disc any good for Skolex prog to help pad the tanks?
jagged pier
Just the tanks doing mechanics should be fine
cinder nova
I'm getting one shot by Riftmaw by the third burrow from the damage increase alone
I should say H sko
N is clownshoes
jagged pier
Rfitmaw shouldnt one shot u, u want a defensive for sure
U also shouldnt be taking both riftmaws
jagged pier
Like it really doesnt hurt that much
cinder nova
I need logs of tanks taking double riftmaws at 15% damage increase jake
outer solstice
so on lihuvim one of our tanks has probelsm seeing the resonance and when to taunt, are there any hints or helpers from your Pov?
cinder nova
Especially warrior
jagged pier
Its magic dont forget tho so if you using block it aint gunna do anything
cinder nova
I'm aware
Show me H Sko kills of warriors taking double maw every combo
If there's a way I want to know it
dark lark
Is the play to rotate spell reflect + IP / demo + IP / shield wall?
Esp when we get to mythic?
Kinda like tanking eye
cinder nova
Just feels like a monumental amount of magic damage compared to HP
outer solstice
does playing wall help?
jagged pier
I mean sure, i generally just took it to the face its boss 2 its not gunna hurt in mythic for sure youll need somthing
cinder nova
When did you start stacking IP
dark lark
It was wrecking our brew/bear on day 1 because their timers were broken + assuming heroic didn't do damage
cinder nova
Feels like it's getting rotted by dust and bleed
jagged pier
I didnt i played that boss like a mongo
outer solstice
When did you start stacking IP
stacking IP is not worht, better pool rage and double IP
strong forum
reminder that often healers are the issue why stuff seems like it hurts
and healers just not healing tanks when they should
jagged pier
☝️
cinder nova
I'm trying to tell my healers they need to precast for the combo
dawn canyon
Just tell any pala to sac
dark lark
We have a new healer recruit who doesn't understand the concept of a tank calling for externals
cinder nova
Kek my only raid external to call on is wings
strong forum
WHAT
outer solstice
We have a new healer recruit who doesn't understand the concept of a tank callin...
well so many tanks not calling for externals at all
dark lark
Guardian spirit isn't awful
cinder nova
Not against massive damage
outer solstice
massive damage are things liek 500k + hits
dark lark
That sounds like eating two guardian of the first ones golden showers
strong forum
thats why you call for it
jagged pier
Not really riftmaw isnt gunna over kill u by ×3
strong forum
like YOU KNOW when youre gonna take dmg
jagged pier
Combo coming up ask for guardian
dawn canyon
You got a log
outer solstice
also with talent Guardian doesn't expire if the cheat proccs
dark lark
I got moved off of tank because our dps don't do damage, is Skolex the only tank buster in the first 8 so far?
jagged pier
Nah patheon it pretty heavy on tank damage
But thats more sustained damage
And healers cant keep up cause it on the whole raid
Anduin slaps apprently
Halondrus if u take 2 beams by accident hurts
dark lark
Have you progged anduin heroic yet?
strong forum
lotta guilds are struggling on anduin
dawn canyon
Did yall see plka is casting rwf
jagged pier
Anduin is like a mid mythic fight
dark lark
Yeah only a small handful of guilds have beat him so far
jagged pier
Or was before the last nerfs
shut summit
anduin when standing in barrier / the intermission with lich king is scary
jagged pier
Plka is brew
shut summit
other than that not too bad
outer solstice
@patent osprey what did you say @strong forum ? not tell Plka that you complimented him?
strong forum
dark lark
I heard nom talking shit about you plka
Dang, only 10 guilds have beat Andy even after nerfs
dawn canyon
If Limit kill something off stream not many are gonna get it first week
jagged pier
I mean echo have done it multiple times of stream now
strong forum
nobody killed him prenerf
dawn canyon
Not yet (watching all the echo content)
strong forum
heh
dawn canyon
That shouldve sent earlier
Im really like how the fight looks cant wait to get to it
strong forum
ngl, seeing this raid makes me enjoy LA raids more
dark lark
How so
lofty widget
it's slower so not really any point
blazing condor
ah k so it works like that
dark lark
Would you really need to? It lasts forever and you're already zoomin
lofty widget
yeah the move speed doesnt stack 😄
strong forum
the thing that i like about LA is that everybody has to do the same thing and learn the same fight, wow raids everybody has to have jobs assigned for different things
so the responsibility is all over the place
dawn canyon
A game without weakauras also makes it more apparent who understands their Job
strong forum
thing is also in wow, bad players can get by and just have other people do their job
dawn canyon
That's how i killed 2 mythic in cn
While being completely new to wow
All I did was parse grey and do a single soak on hunter
strong forum
if youre "lucky" you can get entire boss kills where some people have to legit do nothing
and just dps
whereas in LA its all about mechanics checks, not dps/healing checks like in wow
so its differently done
strong forum
not currenly cuz only easy content is out so you can just overkill everything and skip mechanics entirely
dawn canyon
Since it somewhat removes outgearing as an option
Or not :)
strong forum
later on theres even equalised ultra hard mode content
where you will struggle both with meeting dps checks cuz you dont get to use OP gear ontop of needing to do the mechanics
dawn canyon
That sounds fun
dawn canyon
Asmongold calling sofo bad cuz they couldnt kill xymox
strong forum
well its legit the first time he couldnt clear a raid on normal with a pug
since he started doing it
dawn canyon
Xymox isnt as easy as other stuff but i think it's due to ally being omega dead
strong forum
and xymox is indeed overtuned for normal from what ive heard
strong forum
youre also organised and not NA alliance
dawn canyon
Since dk tank and i soaked traps to make them go away for a sec
Ye eu Horde
With a good rl
And more gear than his gang
cobalt grove
I had a question regarding xy'mox, is there a trick to mitigating the damage of the hyper light spark? That seems to be the biggest killer for our raid group on that boss.
strong forum
isnt that just the bouncy spark?
dawn canyon
Ye just spread
cobalt grove
Thought so, would you recommend healers rotate smaller CDs for that or just heal harder
strong forum
isnt that the moment where most of the raid takes dmg
so yeah healer CDs are appropriate, like aura mastery would be huge
and a disc having his ramp
cobalt grove
And for tanking what's the best suggested way to work with the tank debuff/pull in mechanic. Yesterday we had the tanks go to the opposite side of one of teleporters so that when dps got pulled in, they would be dragged over the portal and brought back to where the other one was.
strong forum
ya just behind the portal so theyre in the correct spot insta is good
assuming theres no other overlap
cobalt grove
Yeah the one overlap we've been running into is a hyperlight spark going out not long after the pull in
I'm running kind of a hybrid tank set up for him, with aoe talents due to adds and using the wall as my leggo
So like best served cold and ravager for that boss, unless you guys have better recommendations
dawn canyon
Yeah the one overlap we've been running into is a hyperlight spark going out not...
That was fine if people used their movement and the slower people stayed close to impact for our group
cobalt grove
I'm strongly considering using booming voice instead of best served cold
strong forum
youre supposed to use booming voice in raid
cobalt grove
Yeah, I kind of got thrusted into tanking last night because our pally tank called it quits both in guild and raid mid raid
strong forum
chad
cobalt grove
So my set up had been for keys
cobalt grove
Yeah, he'd been under a lot of stress and just hit his breaking point with the raid
strong forum
i guess double time aswell
dawn canyon
Yeah, I kind of got thrusted into tanking last night because our pally tank call...
That bad of a night?
cobalt grove
It's been a steady build up
He wasn't too willing to swap out talents for bosses, so it kind of hindered us a bit
dawn canyon
Is you staying tank looking to be permanent 
cobalt grove
So more of a full single target build in general for raiding, taking ravager when significant add presence, yeah?
For the time being till we get a new one
It's me and a dh, but I'm a threat monster comparatively
dawn canyon
Yea dh St is kinda dog
cobalt grove
I think that may have been a combination of a misdirect and me popping all my CDs
So avatar, spear, and ravager, in addition to blood spattered scale
dawn canyon
Oh pull probably
cobalt grove
Yeah, it's a lot of initial threat burst
Not throughout the fight aggro pulling
I just have tremendous burst comparatively
I'll be changing out my soulbind to better suit prot being a main spec
Was previously arms main
dawn canyon
Youll be a good tank
blazing condor
did NW for the first time this season
tried this route just because it seemed fun
it was fun but idk if its any good
dawn canyon
I like da skipp
cobalt grove
@dawn canyon it's not my first forray into main tanking, just the first time this expac being a non-offspec
cobalt grove
I've tanked in some form on various classes every expansion, just been a few since I was doing it as main spec. And I want to make sure I'm doing everything I can to ensure a victory.
The confidence booster is much appreciated
dawn canyon
cobalt grove
Having arms as my mainspec boiled down to pelagos as my st soulbind and mikanikos as my aoe/keys one. Then setting aside kleia for prot.
But mikanikos is the go-to for prot, right?
dawn canyon
With the glory change sadly perma Banner prot bites the dust
waxen orbit
So wait
Lemme get this straight lads
Sack is still our BIS damage dealing trinket over phial?
Even after the nerf?
Am I gathering this right?
blazing condor
the most fun dungeon :hapy
sweet summit
sweet summit
wo fun
dawn canyon
This is funny cuz translates to
Where fun in German
blazing condor
how do you even hold the dragon boss
in soleah
shits mad weird
yeah nvm i get it
still a shit boss
jagged pier
Yer taz ive said it before ill say it again, taz is the worst designed dungeon they have made in a long time
Fervent strikes everywhere
blazing condor
i agree
jagged pier
Massive super fast casts
Packs that actually need like 4 diffierent things intruprted
Its a joke
blazing condor
feels like its a fine dungeon for a normal/hardmode superdungeon
but shit for m+
do the cannonballs on hooktail spawn on players or random?
patent osprey
plka is good at talking <:okayge:917646812519739433>
cobalt grove
A question regarding conduits and keys vs raids, is the show of force conduit preferred in m+ when using reprisal and best served cold or should I go with adaptive armor fragment for both raiding and key situations?
cobalt grove
Yeah, I've been using BSC for aoe/dungeons already
Paired with reprisal
Just didn't know how the conduit fit into the mix
I thought with the more constant usages of revenge that it would excel in those situations
jagged pier
Best conduits are cov one (except venthyr) > unvering > stalwart> aaf> ashen> rest are dogshit
cobalt grove
I also see ashen juggernaut being suggested at times, is it just because our choices in potency are so shit?
jagged pier
No because ashen is actually dps increase in raid and u run left side of mik in raid because the middle does nothing on St
cobalt grove
I like the safeguard one as well as a finesse for the external CD it offers
jagged pier
Meh rally ones definatly better for raid
lofty widget
safeguard is nice for m+
cobalt grove
Unnerving in place of condensed anima sphere?
jagged pier
Unvering is our best conduit
cobalt grove
Since I'm not going down the middle path
Gotcha
I had the conduit, it was just placement I was worried about. Since previously I had been using kleia as my soulbind for prot (was originally off spec since arms used both pelagos and mikanikos soulbinds)
burnt hazel
As a new prot war player that wants to raid, what covenant and soulbind should i look at?? Moste defensive is they way im thinking to go
cobalt grove
Check the pins
As well as the prot guide in the faq section
But in short you want kyrian and mikanikos
humble tendon
grim hare
is it normal to get annihilated right now or am i doing something very wrong. feels like even though ialways have SB up and ignore pain being my primary rage spender, if i dont have wall up I just get hammed into the floor, and sometimes even wall doesnt help
sweet summit
annihilated? no
taking more damage than last season? yes
grim hare
sometimes ill go through a trash pull and feel like im not getting any healing at all
its killing me. makes me doubt my ability to tank anything right now
sweet summit
if you have logs i'll take a look
sweet summit
first few packs in dos is always rough
grim hare
Ive tried running this on 15 13 and now 10
I die on the first pull
Every, single, time
sweet summit
what i like to do
grim hare
No matter what I do
grim hare
Problem is getting urh killed before I get gibbed by the enrage fuckers
sweet summit
especially useful on those early packs
yeah okay so first pull this happened
only three scribe kicks
obviously you'll take a lot of damage
and your blocked hits are quite low too
second pull, one shadowcore interrput
of course you're going to take a lot of damage
- again, pretty low blocked hits
step nr 1 - kick dangerous casts
step nr 2 - urh healing utility is insane, mark it with skull and focus it while cleaving the rest of the pull with passive cleave for those packs especially
low blocked hits seems to be a running theme throughout the dungeon
sidenote - you wasted 605 rage
dump it with IP
don't overcap
grim hare
thats a lot of rage
and i guess low SB uptime? i thought i managed it better, guess I let it fall off when I start panicking which just makes shit infinitely worse
sweet summit
yeah basically
also, i might be nitpicking here but your trinkets are not that impressive
grim hare
thats not a nitpick im aware my trinkets are hot garbage
Im just using what i have for the highest ilvl
grim hare
And 2 pvp trinkets, maledict and the glad trinket
sweet summit
i guess that's why you're running dos?
grim hare
yeahj
sweet summit
grim hare
Couldnt get mythic sylv
waxen orbit
And 2 pvp trinkets, maledict and the glad trinket
grim hare
And I wasnt a warrior last tier
waxen orbit
Mf what am I lookin at
grim hare
The garbage I got in my bags
waxen orbit
Unfortunate
waxen orbit
Who runnin that?
sweet summit
onahail
grim hare
i dont have badge lol
waxen orbit
IQD on tank is just
sweet summit
yeah but badge was not an option
waxen orbit
Oh I just assumed from it being a PVP toon
grim hare
mighty valley
IQD is aight if you just hit it on pull
waxen orbit
This game trollin me tho fr
Gave me a AFE while I already have aegis
And PF still ain’t dropped no Phial
waxen orbit
Yea vault will get me up fo sho
sweet summit
🙏
median tulip
Vault is gonna give me Boots, I can feel it already
waxen orbit
I already got last patch’s BIS boots with a fat speed proc this week so I’m on track for a full 3 slots of 278 boots
dark lark
I got heroic pants in raid so I transferred reprisal to the boots monkaS
icy flax
Does "Glory" add buff duration to ur allies or only you?
urban portal
just you
icy flax
Thanks guys
hardy ridge
Do you bois know if old warriors soul remain bis this tier?
The haste must be lit to get more banner uptime
blazing condor
craggy pilot
anyone have that WA for Soulbind swapping?
woven lance
Can you leap away and charge back in in time on skolex without your co-tank getting double hit?
west walrus
You have to be at 10m from your co-tank, you can charge Skolex at 8m
I did it, keeping my co-tank between me and Skolex
golden basin
Is there any real reason why prot warrior is so unpopular atm? Is it just perception?
strong forum
pwar is always unpopular
jagged pier
i dunno, i at least get into keys on warrior
dont even get invites on other classes
same ish ilvl same score showing
golden basin
hmmm interesting
jagged pier
but nah ppl dont like warrior cause it has no slef healing
golden basin
I'm a complete beginner, but I loved it in Legion and want to play it some more
oh yeah that is a good point
brittle owl
but nah ppl dont like warrior cause it has no slef healing
ppl don't like warrior because they're dumb dumb
pallid musk
Ye self healing is our big struggles
jagged pier
no its not because the spec isnt designed with that in mind
pallid musk
Pala prot can get 20% to 100
jagged pier
yes but paladin is deisgned to do that
pallid musk
With a dead healer in m+ prot paladin can still save
VDH can heal 20 % of hp loss and Fel devastion can make VDH independent for another 20 sec in m+.
For protection warrior you play around with SB uptime/demo shout when you can’t block and spell reflect / IP for magic damage
lilac bloom
any change in 9.2.. any better conduits up at the moment?
lilac bloom
damn
sad sad
i'm still using this
hopefully something better i should run..
i'm still using reprisal
golden basin
pocket protoforge (@252) did 21% of my healing in a mots key, fairly good I'd say
actually did more than scale at 252, and I was using scale pretty much when it was up
median tulip
We did taunt on stack drop, just like Sire last phase
mellow bridge
Take out fueled by violence and replace it with the LS conduit
brittle owl
VDH can heal 20 % of hp loss and Fel devastion can make VDH independent for anot...
you can save perfectly fine on prot warr with kiting/spellreflect/aoe fear/aoe stun
glacial ivy
Hey guys
Is there any possibility to skip campaign
I have renown 80
Or renowed acch
But for some reason i cant skip kyrian campaign
west walrus
Did you finish it with another toon?
glacial ivy
Yup
Im like 57 renown now
On alt
And i cant even get my conduits
Soulforge is locked
I even did the quest for it
And nothing
hasty cedar
Hey anyone know when we are lust in anduin fight ?
craggy pilot
wow pugs requiring 250 ilvl for Anduin Normal 😄
guess im not getting 2 piece this week then
lilac bloom
Take out fueled by violence and replace it with the LS conduit
LS conduit u mean last stand conduit unnerving focus?
sweet summit
unnerving focus yes
lilac bloom
ok will try that
median tulip
In Streets, is everyone preferring left or right after the first boss?
blazing condor
left gang
sweet summit
LEFT GANG
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take that route
it owns
lime urchin
ooh are we looking at the matrix?
distant crystal
this guy can't read base64 smh
sweet summit
shaking my smh irl rn
lime urchin
tame jasper
world 17 feels good 😄 😄 😄
will never be there again xD
nice route @sweet summit will try it 😄
seems better lust timer than mine 🙂
in gamblit, what do you think of picking up WO in first trash pack go straigth to boss for 3 lusts?
glacial ivy
<https://www.wowhead.com/news/ability-to-skip-9-0-covenant-campaigns-removed-fro...
thx
woven lance
Can you get 100% uptime on shield block on skolex?
grim hare
Any of yall use a WA that yells at you if SB is down?
jagged pier
u dont want that what if u arent tanking the boss
or u dont need to have sb up
its just gunna make the noise for no reason
grim hare
u dont want that what if u arent tanking the boss
what if the WA checks on SB/Intervene/Charge CD and also checks if you have aggro on something
jagged pier
🤷
chilly brook
what if the WA checks on SB/Intervene/Charge CD and also checks if you have aggr...
Just track when it’s up….
night oracle
guys how's prot warrior in 9.2 M+ in ur opinion?
been seeing a scary amount of prot pala somehow in keys , curious how warriors' gonna do
dawn canyon
Covenant or zm?
strong forum
guys how's prot warrior in 9.2 M+ in ur opinion?
least popular, but still able to do keys until really high levels
glacial ivy
and i have everything i need
night oracle
is it the generally high magic dmg in most dung that makes it suffer ?
think ignore pain comparing to late BFA is much weaker
strong forum
has nothing to do with ignore pain
night oracle
think corruption back then amplified it quite a bit more
strong forum
its moreso just that alot more dots and consistent magic dmg exist
corruption amplified it for every tank
so thats a moot point
dawn canyon
and i have everything i need
U gotta grab some quest in oribos if i do the first swap
night oracle
ok thanks
strong forum
its mostly just how bosses and mobs are designed to have less physical dmg output
and alot more mechanics
which favours anything but pwar
chilly brook
think ignore pain comparing to late BFA is much weaker
Ignore pain is literally the same garbage spell from BFA
strong forum
but people FOR SOME REASON people only remember S4 where even the most garbage of people could tank keys cuz all they did was run 60% vers
night oracle
always thought the 40% -100% increase IP talents could make fantastic plays actually
strong forum
its trash
chilly brook
but people FOR SOME REASON people only remember S4 where even the most garbage o...
I cringe physically when everyone brings up vers corruptions in 8.3
night oracle
tho i guess i thought that partially coz of the root we used to have by clapping
chilly brook
Literally someone said you should have run vers on nzoth
strong forum
whenever it came up
strong forum
bro someone told me to run vers corruption on MY VDH ON A 20
i fell out of my chair
chilly brook
“BuT iT mEsSeD uP cD tImInGs AnD mEsSeD uP pSyChUs StAcKs”
No
Just use your movement
Literally hard carried psychus phase on my DH
chilly brook
bro someone told me to run vers corruption on MY VDH ON A 20
I got this alot on my DH
I died laughing every time
“Yo holy shit you’re immortal and you’re pumping”
Yea
I’m not bad at my class
chilly brook
Basically
Gluttony+VoP
You could literally solo 20 bosses
Even without sheer spam
Honestly bfa VDH was really fun
It’s a shame it had a bad rap
strong forum
shame it did 0 fucking dmg
ivory elbow
strong forum
ya you got all the essentials
id pick the rally conduit instead of the shockwave CD reduction tho
in a raid setting the rally conduit is easily the most OP
chilly brook
shame it did 0 fucking dmg
TD was literally saving grace
primal shale
in a raid setting the rally conduit is easily the most OP
In raid I understand, but how often are you using rally in a key?
strong forum
i use it quite often lol
chilly brook
In raid I understand, but how often are you using rally in a key?
You should
It’s literally free
And it’s great
Definitely saved a few keys for me
strong forum
literally can use it to save people from dying, or just use it just like youd use it in a raid lol
primal shale
OK. Just starting to key on prot, so I haven't had to use it much