protection

[strong forum]

🤔

I'm talking actual last 3 bosses

[jagged pier]

no okay i typed anduin before that sentence

i dont know where that went

u saying the last 3 are going to be a mess i was agreeing cause anduin has got nerfed like crazy and its still hard

[strong forum]

No

Hence why theyre gonna be a mess

Nobody has seen them

Nobody has tested them besides blizzard

They're gonna release next week

Gonna be a juicy shit show on rwf

Anduin is only the 8th boss

9,10 and 11 arent out

Yeah

From a story perspective yeah it's awesome

But man, it's gonna be messy

I don't understand wanting to go in blind and fail when you can just, not fail

[jagged pier]

I like figuring stuff out tbh

makes it more fun

than just heres a guide

[strong forum]

Wow raiding ain't fun

Maybe that's why I don't like going in blind

[jagged pier]

it is if u make your own tacts and things

and the only reason the raid is like this is story and the fact they thought they would get another patch out of the expansion

like this raid was supposed to be anduin final boss and next the jailer

they said that pretty much

[median tulip]

Not like there aren't breaking bugs in the ones that did get tested. Yesterday we had xy'mox just stay invulnerable and wipe the raid

[strong forum]

I'm nolifing lost ark

[glossy panther]

So in the pinned it says that necro is harder to use properly than kyrian/nf. What is proper use? I've just been using it like a dps/tankyness cooldown but im guessing theres more to it?

[strong forum]

Once you have 4p+2l

You'll have buttloads of access to rage

To maximise the use of the glory legendary

And given how alot of people struggle to properly generate and spend rage, it'll only get harder if you play glory

[glossy panther]

So I'll probably just end up wasting a load on IP just to get rid of it?

Might just go kyrian then, spear does look fun tbf

[strong forum]

Wasting IP is irrelevant

Has been irrelevant since IP has been introduced

[wild hemlock]

yes. until the trinket wears off and someone else gets the "first stack"

then all other trinkets contribute to that "stack"

[deft hinge]

i tried NL «Emeni» wich is not recommended on the guides in a dung. i must say going from about 1550 strength up til 2100 gave me a stretch in my pants, but it had much less effect then i had hoped for

[minor helm]

[jagged pier]

but kevin is better

like no meme

[rugged mural]

I've been watching a bit of Maximum's stream and he appears to have been able to change the name text for friendly players in the raid. The names are bigger, bold, and outlined. I thought Blizz killed the ability to do this. Any idea how he's getting that done?

[distant crystal]

what name text

like above their head?

that'd just be plater or another nameplate addon + friendly nameplates enabled

[rugged mural]

Ok. No way to do this without plater? I've been using mostly default blizz UI with Weakauras. Installed plater once and the enemy plates are just so damn big and the stacking feels bad for me.

[minor helm]

You can turn off stacking

[steel mist]

guys is there anyone uploaded a prot warrior sepulcher fight video yet ?

I used to watch one of the rank firsts on youtube when he was doing sanctum and it was informative to see how he tanks

[jagged pier]

i hopefully get mine up on the weekend

but no promises

and im not as good as sense

[inland wasp]

I have the first 6 bosses in normal on my last twitch vod? If that helps

My reprisal usage was terrible tho lol

[mental scarab]

IP start of legion😁

[jagged pier]

still kinda was

just stopped all damage

[mental scarab]

Yea super fun on magic dmg

🤩

Was a super SUPER noob then so i only used ip for the first weeks

No SB

[chilly brook]

It's kinda fun

But only when you actually have people who aren't braindead

[median tulip]

What's the general thinking on the Sepulcher's Saviour shield?

[urban portal]

the on use?

i thought you still want ilvl?

[sweet summit]

you do

[median tulip]

Even at the cost of no secondaries on the shield?

[sweet summit]

you can sim it if all you're looking for is damage

but the increased strength is probably still better

for damage

[jagged pier]

ah the joys of prot declined from every key

🙂

[sweet summit]

i haven't gotten declined yet

[jagged pier]

well they letting me time out at least

some thing really

[chilly brook]

It's ok not much better as fury surprisingly

despite being 2500 last season

[jagged pier]

but their s tier

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

🤔

[jagged pier]

on use sheild can crit for 18k

👍

[stray kestrel]

if i use the wall in M+ do i take Heavy Repercussions or AM?

[sweet summit]

am or bolster

HR is very much terrible without reprisal

[west walrus]

Someone complaining about the tank, because we wiped on Hakkar, because the healer died :')

[sweet summit]

:v)

[stray kestrel]

okay ty!

[opal pawn]

I'm curious, Is the 4P good enough to swap AM or should I stay Heavy Reprecussions since I have Reprisal?

[mellow bridge]

yes you'll want AM with it

HR is overkill for 90% of people anyways

[west walrus]

AM means more Avatar, means more 10% DR, more rage

[opal pawn]

Solid, Thanks friends. I've been being -overly- defensive which is why I just took HR.

[lofty widget]

i'd argue AM is more defensive since you get more SW as well

[opal pawn]

Maybe! I haven't actually tested comparisons yet. I just know the tier set buffs Avatar further.

[jagged pier]

AM has always been better for 99.5 % of prot players

[opal pawn]

Oh, Wow, Alright, I really prolly should swap.

[west walrus]

It is both offensive and defensive

[opal pawn]

I just always took HR for M+ and AM for Raiding, So I just never thought about swapping that around.

[jagged pier]

well yes and 99.5% of prot players arent doing keys where u need the extra 10% block

[opal pawn]

Highest I've done is 20s, So I'm 110% in that category. 😄

[jagged pier]

yer 0 need for HR

[opal pawn]

Solid, Thanks.

[fading quiver]

Anyone else doing heroic sepulcher and feeling really weak....?

The tanking strats we've been coming up with all try to minimize my time spend tanking

leave it to the blood dk

[strong forum]

the raid is tuned pretty hard

[shut summit]

only boss that felt that rough was pantheon and that wasnt that bad

[jagged pier]

i felt okay expect on patheon that shit hits hard

[shut summit]

anduin fucks in intermission

[fading quiver]

yeah, pantheon has got my heart broken

im only tanking for like 10% of the fight

[jagged pier]

what? u should be tanking the whole time, theres 1 boss each

have u got logs

[fading quiver]

i just taunt for the tank buster and he taunts back afterwards for p1 and p2

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w2dRqmpYDaFcX68A#fight=27&type=summary

Thats what we settled on at least.

works pretty well because his death strike ramps from the seed buffs

[distant crystal]

damn

[strong forum]

so lemme get this right

[distant crystal]

main tank flexin' on ya

[strong forum]

the bdk is tanking for melee attacks

[distant crystal]

thinks ur beta af

[strong forum]

and youre tanking the magic tank buster?

am i understanding correctly here

[distant crystal]

healer parse strat

[fading quiver]

i taunt, shield wall, and eat it

then he gets it back

[strong forum]

i have no clue about the fight

but that just sounds dumb

pwar is god vs melee attacks

and bdk is good vs tank busters

and you switch it around?

[fading quiver]

i looked at how i was doing at damage taken and effective healing playing ultra defensive and it still didn't compare to the bdk

[jagged pier]

cant see much wrong with your actual play but your running 5 healers for 30 on that fight def want more healers we were 6 but even ontop of that u havent really got a tank healer and none of the healers seem to be focusing u that much

thats probably why u feeling weak

[fading quiver]

our dps werent making the dps checks

[jagged pier]

u have to alternate between them in p3 u dont get a choice which one u do in the end

oh no wait u do have apaladin

hes not healing u tho

your paladin shouldnt be doing the seeds

literally better for the other healers

[fading quiver]

pally was doing seeds, he was moving beacon on them which is why I think the tank healing was low

[jagged pier]

my paladin

yours

he should not be the one doing seeds

on that fight

[fading quiver]

what are those graphs?

[jagged pier]

we had a druid and a holy preist do most of ares

the healing the paladins did to targets

well top 5

[fading quiver]

were you running 30 as well?

[jagged pier]

28

and we 6 healed, our dps are nutty tho

like seeds should be hotted and just slow kept up until u need to burst them

your paladin should be doing them lets the druid and shamans do them

u kinda want the ST healing for your tanks

or at least your other healers to heal the tanks

like for instance your other healers did less to u than mine

your a prot u can be left without healing

[distant crystal]

he tried to make a pally do seeds

he rioted

put hpriest on seeds, ezpz

[jagged pier]

well we did have our paladin do it, then both tanks were like nah

we need the paladin on tanks

[distant crystal]

fun fight, seems a lot harder than it is i think

[fading quiver]

very healer intense

[distant crystal]

once healers figure out seeds last phase is p free

on healing

[fading quiver]

people take so much damage on hands

[chilly brook]

it's also 100% predictable

honestly shouldn't be a huge deal

[jagged pier]

yer u know when hands coming

[chilly brook]

imho

[fading quiver]

also no rdruid or disc priest

group healing feels low

[chilly brook]

people dying on this fight is mostly to messing up mechanics

[jagged pier]

but u have rallys

and AM from paladin

like u have the cds u need

[distant crystal]

i guess figuring out how to move out of the succ without getting a ton of extra sinful brand stacks

and then figuring out how/when to heal up the seeds

[chilly brook]

not that hard

tbh the worst is when tanks position it oddly for the suck

and you get succ'd into 3 crittershape stampedes

[distant crystal]

oh btw i found out that the critterboop

overrides the succ

i got succed into a critter from far, and the boop cancelled succ

could be useful tech

[wild rampart]

6% buff is enough to convince my raid leader yea?

[jagged pier]

it wasnt much of our problem tbh but we are better now

prot brings more to the raid than VDH or brew

so its like middle

of the pack in raid

[chilly brook]

I mean Max literally said play whatever tank you want it doesn't matter

That should be good enough

[wild rampart]

oh yea ofc, i was only joking, but was curious numbers wise what does 6% mean, cuz for my average brain it doesn't say much

[jagged pier]

flat buffs are good

problem is we did no damage bfore hand

so 6% of 0 is still 0

[glacial skiff]

In general until we unlock 4 piece which I assume makes AM a required talent would running heavy repercussions be worthwhile in keys for defense?

[jagged pier]

are u doing high keys?

like its only needed if u need those extra 10% blocked hits

which is not until very high keys

[distant crystal]

i've always used it for keys

but i was kinda carried in keys above what my ilvl was suited for 😮

how big of a dps bump is AM roughly, still did respectable dam w/ HR

[mighty valley]

idk, quite a lot

the other thing people underappreciate i think that the last 10% of blocked hits is usually a lot less effective than the first 85% if you're pulling normal-ish

packs don't live forever so if you're doing reprisal well, the times when you're not blocking are when you just have some non threatening stragglers left

[glacial skiff]

Going to try 15’s later I assume so I guess if that’s high

[jagged pier]

that is not high

[glacial skiff]

Problem is I have no good trinkets for tanking. All I have are OWS/phial lol

[jagged pier]

AM is fine in 15s

[mighty valley]

15s are tough for rando pugs right now it seems but it's not really what people mean by "high keys"

[jagged pier]

those a great tinrkets?

what are u one about

[glacial skiff]

I don’t have any defensive trinkets

[mighty valley]

eh don't need em

[jagged pier]

OWS is defensive

[glacial skiff]

Ideally I’d like at least one, since phial isn’t really lol

[jagged pier]

phial is also perfectly fine

[mighty valley]

scale/aegis are nice if you're pulling huge but i'd just pull normal and you'll be good

and do bigger dam

[median tulip]

Streets+17 is an experience 😭

[onyx lily]

vigilant guardian sucks

that is all

[median tulip]

Also I'm pretty sure this dude with his 60 stacks is a bug:

[fading quiver]

dudes pissed

[median tulip]

The 60 stacks give him 1200% extra damage 😆

[distant crystal]

yo anyone got a log of them proccing the fatescribe cheat trinket

i need to win an argument

someone saying the "by not more than" number in the tooltip refers to the total size of the hit

not the overkill

[jagged pier]

i do

but private

so unluck

[distant crystal]

screenshot will do

if it shows a hit bigger than the # on the trinket :p

[urban portal]

tbf current 15s are not easy

that being said i have not died to melee its often

[jagged pier]

they are pretty ez

[mighty valley]

they're just more like early s1 than early s2

[blazing condor]

why has everyones dps just gone to shit

in keys?

either that or the 6% buff really hittin

[strong forum]

dom sockets gone

[wild hemlock]

inv my ele 😉 he still pumps

[blazing condor]

pog

full rn tho : ( but i wanna see caine pump

also how much did tormentor affixes do for dps?

[strong forum]

quite alot aswell

[wild hemlock]

im busy til raid tonight anyways 😦

around all weekend though you dirty dog

if anyone does do some 10-12s though id love to practice enh in it lol

going to a steakhouse for dinner 🙂

[urban portal]

yeah probably just needs to get used to it being not hold w anymore

i fked up 2nd boss of nw cuz i was too lazy to pull it into corner

[jagged pier]

loose around 1k ish

cause dom sockets

[distant crystal]

What do the different numbers on dmg taken events mean, like here:

the red number I think is the actual dmg taken, A is absorbed, O is original dmg?

U is ??

[strong forum]

U is "unmitigated" aka original dmg

A is absorb

O is overkill

[mighty valley]

dom sockets + the affix dps was totally free

[strong forum]

which is the main thing why most people think its harder

losing kyr + stoneward + bulwark is quite a loss defensively

and for dps to lose 480 free stats is also quite a thing

[mighty valley]

healers having to heal more and dps less without anima powers too

[blazing condor]

sad!

[strong forum]

sad

!

[jagged pier]

sad!

[sweet summit]

!

das

[strong forum]

das ist gut ja

[blazing condor]

these are my m+ pugs

[sweet summit]

solid

[wild hemlock]

LOL

sad!

[jagged pier]

BIG

[craggy pilot]

does anyone have a WA to auto mark the Vy?

[blazing condor]

just put /target vy on every button on your bars

😎

[sweet summit]

urh>vy

[distant crystal]

https://tenor.com/AcU7.gif

[sweet summit]

[distant crystal]

i swear in pug keys we kill the wrong relic like half the time

speedshrouding to the next pack

[dawn canyon]

speed one is fun

but idk this entire affix feels bleh to me

so far

i hope it gets better down the line

[distant crystal]

there's some pretty sick skips

that you could only do with like 2-3 rogues before

[jagged pier]

urhs actually good

lust a boss

kill urh

get cds back during lust still

[blazing condor]

do yall reckon Urh > Vy on first boss MoTS? or would the haste to get boss to 20% be better?

Urh during burst phase might be pogging

[urban portal]

depends on your class

urh is fking useless if you have like

arms/fury/rogue

or frost mage

[jagged pier]

its 15%

[distant crystal]

it's 200% increased CDR right

so basically 20 seconds off all your cds

[strong forum]

pretty sure on t hose classes urh is pretty broken lol

[blazing condor]

boss phases at 20% ?

[strong forum]

if you have 1 to 2min CDs

URH is amazing

[jagged pier]

oh i thought u meant haste buff

[blazing condor]

no

but maybe bad wording

[urban portal]

arms is at an awkward 130

[jagged pier]

im raiding not really paying attention

[urban portal]

and for some classes like dh you are pressing blade dance every gcd

[blazing condor]

chad

[urban portal]

or stuff like hunter where you literally rapid fire every gcd

those are the gross ones

[blazing condor]

yeah i did a mots with frost/dh/hunter

urh wasn't really pogging

[urban portal]

nah dh and hunter is good

[blazing condor]

or maybe they werent

[urban portal]

not good on frost

[blazing condor]

it didnt do too well tho lol

also also also

[urban portal]

frost rather have haste

[blazing condor]

did they change first boss in mots

to where he casts the aoe debuff way early

in the beginning

i swear he casted it at like 70% of tree-hp

[urban portal]

you know i wiped on mist 2nd boss

cuz i accidentally kicked the fking add

instead of patty cake

that was cringe

[blazing condor]

i charged the fox twice last key

but it was just as it spawned

so it didnt blow up

free reprisal

[jagged pier]

just charge during dodgeball

[blazing condor]

i just charge

press button

[chrome falcon]

dammit, i got the poggo trinket from pantheon but i already had the terrible trinket from skolex so i had to try it away

never lucky

[jagged pier]

halondrus is ummm shit

[west walrus]

Do you mean easy, or bad tuned ?

Or a not enjoyable encounter ?

[jagged pier]

un fun

[worthy haven]

I run fury and last night in one of my keys I had a protection warrior tank

Sweet Jesus that's 6% damage buff made a difference

[jagged pier]

not really

[worthy haven]

I ran a f****** plus 6 and this guy had 9k overall DPS in item level 249 gear

I'm item level 236 and I had 7.5

[jagged pier]

yer 9k was last patch numbers

i mean 13k was the most we saw

[dawn canyon]

9k isnt unexpectable for pwar

[worthy haven]

Well so far of all the tanks I've run with my warriors are doing the most damage

[jagged pier]

because thats how it works

[worthy haven]

I understand what that probably means is that the protection paladins I ran with just suck

[dawn canyon]

the prot madlads own

[worthy haven]

But I'm proud of my fellow Brown Brothers

[dawn canyon]

you wont see the 10k overall palas in pugs

they are taken fo the premades

[jagged pier]

u wont see them in +6s

[worthy haven]

Also if any of you are serial puggers like me have you seen a single healer that was not a shaman

[strong forum]

generally not any tank really does surprisingly more dmg

like

[worthy haven]

This is a little nuts man

[strong forum]

all tanks until everybody has full gear do the same

[dawn canyon]

shamn goated healer

[strong forum]

except bdk and guardian do less

[jagged pier]

he was probably running seismic if it was a 6 tbh

[worthy haven]

Well I was still enjoying myself because I played nothing but protection warrior for my first 6 years of playing this game

Even the fury warrior I roll with now is the protection warrior that I rolled in classic I've had him for 17 years so seeing protection warrior be strong always makes me happy even though I know it's technically the weakest tank right now

[dawn canyon]

"weak" is always relative

[oblique garnet]

10k overall paladin doesnt exist in anything but maybe high keys

yet

[dawn canyon]

Yea i had the number out if thin air but i doubt it's going to be long till we see it

I think 10 is doable if u play full dam Lego in a 15 idk

[oblique garnet]

I mean for sure i already did 9.4K playing no conduits and niya on pwarr earlier today

[dawn canyon]

With seismic i assume?

[oblique garnet]

Ye

did 9.1K with reprisal

But was SD vs Mists

[dawn canyon]

I never checked how bonegrinder worked with ravager for prot

Does it do anything

[dark lark]

No

[dawn canyon]

Ah unlucky

[oblique garnet]

Yes

You can technically spam ww

But its extremely aids to get full benefit out

[dawn canyon]

Reprisal NF hidden BG tech

[oblique garnet]

NF owns

Ive been saying that for 6 months now

[dawn canyon]

Been true for 6 months

Big owner covenant

Gn gamers

[urban portal]

signet nf bonegrinder

so good

[oblique garnet]

No

Seismic is just better

[urban portal]

i forgot seismic is a thing

rip

[chilly brook]

Hey I was a NF prot enjoyer in 8.0

🙂

I even have the youtube footage to prove it

[oblique garnet]

Yeah same

Not on the footage but ive been saying its better for keys long time

[chilly brook]

AA just feels far more value without it even being big pumper damage in keys

[urban portal]

i just wanna press more buttons

than better buttons

[oblique garnet]

[chilly brook]

Locking down packs for the duration is extremely underrated

Honestly negates a lot of mechanics

[urban portal]

korayn right

[chilly brook]

Niya

[oblique garnet]

Korayn

Wtf is niya

No

[chilly brook]

I use Korayn for Fury keys

[oblique garnet]

There is no conduit energy

Haven has forge of bonds

Literally no excuse

Its right next to the innkeeper

[chilly brook]

Except for me being lazy when I do actually tank

🙂

[oblique garnet]

[chilly brook]

I don't suppose you've messed with DW seismic?

Besides it causing obvious issues if you were to die

[craggy pilot]

would filling out the 3 PvP slots in Vault, give me 3 more chances of getting tier set? 🤔 and what ilvl will they be if my rating is shit?

[oblique garnet]

Not very cool

Generally bad because podtender on tank is bait

[chilly brook]

yea that's what I was referring to as the downsides if you were to die

I'm just curious as to seismics value with Field of Blossoms

[oblique garnet]

Eh

[chilly brook]

Like full on meme key build basically

[waxen orbit]

How is LFG so full of dogshit players lmao

Like half the 15s/16s I’ve pugged are bricks from people fucking up basic mechanics, healers not doing explosives, and damage dealers who I outdps

Anyone else getting this experience with pugs rn? Or is this just an alliance thing?

[spiral mason]

Yeah dying to mechanics that have been in the game since 9.0 ooga booga every where

Including people I know lol

[waxen orbit]

People really pay $15 a month and play a game consistently for a year and a half and still fail to understand the most rudimentary requirements of these dungeons

[urban portal]

hey man

the dungeon has only been out for 18 months

you cant expect them to know mehcs

[waxen orbit]

Shit you right you right

[chilly brook]

bro I'm getting this experience with guildies

boomie doing 4k on last boss of pf

[waxen orbit]

I’ve got some guildies being pepega with mechs in M+ now but none that I outdps in overall

(In M+)

I’ll pug M+ and get a 2600 mage or some shit and that mf will do like 4.6k ST on Halkias as frost even when I rope in additional funnel

Like how the fuck did you get past 2100 doing that little in that scenario

[chilly brook]

👀

tf

This week literally just exposes everyone who got carried by gear and power scaling @waxen orbit

[frosty holly]

Been like that since vanilla times. Rando people are just garbage 95% of the time. 😄

[mighty valley]

will never forget people showing up to molten core wearing arcane resist greens

[steel mist]

guys anyone having issues tanking halondrus

[acoustic oar]

sharpening stones or shadowcore

[steel mist]

fucker hits like a truck

[acoustic oar]

also spectral fire flame potion or strength

[mellow bridge]

Didn't feel particularly hard as a dh

Intermission kinda hurts but I just pressed my buttons and it was fine

[steel mist]

Well as prot against magic damage is another thing

[chilly brook]

There’s only one portion of it that’s magic

Halondrus does seem like it is high damage intake though

For prot specifically

Based on the logs I’m seeing

Although it’s also looking like one tank just takes an enormous amount more damage than the other on this fight in general

[finite salmon]

Is it just me, or is the Lihuvim tank change super weird

Since he doesn't cast in between

[limpid pawn]

is this good

[pulsar slate]

Hi all, swapping over from Guardian tk Prot. Curious: why do we say prot takes zero physical damage with SB up? Isn't it a ~40+% physical DR, with chance to double during crit block?

Or do we not mean it literally - just that the DR is enough to make it feel like almost no damage taken

[mighty cairn]

on top of your base armor/versatility, crit block and parry chance it's a lot of mitigation

[urban portal]

if you have enough crit mastery you dont need to press shield block

its rly good

[waxen orbit]

Only 45 logged prot warrior Dausegne kills

As opposed to my co-tank's 218 logged kills as a BrM

[pulsar slate]

Got it! Pretty excited to try keys and hopefully join everyone else in doing more than 9k overall dps 😂

Only ever did 6k+ overall as guardian

[waxen orbit]

Do not go for a mastery build please

[waxen orbit]

You can do it g

[jagged pier]

46 my logs are private

[inner sable]

got my first tier piece boys

[errant oriole]

so how is prot war in the new raid so far? 😄

[jagged pier]

its great

[indigo bramble]

Skolex HM is kicking my ass. I can't take two attacks (of a different kind, ie Rend > Riftmaw) in a row while my Prot Paladin co-tank can. So we have to taunt between each of the 3 attacks just because I can't self heal as much as him it's annoying

[jagged pier]

self healing has nothing to do this

[indigo bramble]

I'm trying to keep a Shield Block in the chamber and trigger it right before I taunt, I don't see what else I could do for more survavibility

The Paladin can self heal to top himself up before the two attacks

[jagged pier]

and riftmaw is magic

rend first hit si phyiscal but the dot u can do anything with

u just need a cd during tank combo

[indigo bramble]

So one CD for each of the combo phase? I haven't timed them but it feels like they are less than a minute a part no?

[jagged pier]

i mean that depends on when your pushing etc, but tbh demo and IP and SR should be enough

im pretty i just took them to the face and was fine tbh

hes an early boss its not supposed to hurt

if i took a rend into a riftmaw then i used somthing

not if I was taking just a riftmaw

[indigo bramble]

THis is my current gear: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/elune/Dwobin

Not the best but notshit either I don't think

[jagged pier]

gear will have nothing to do with it

[indigo bramble]

I'm just going to blame the healers for not topping me off in the 2.6s between each attack then

[jagged pier]

well i mean its kinda on you, for using SB and nothing else against a magic attack

🤷

[indigo bramble]

True 😒

(I do use CDs, they just tend not to be up by the end of the fight, but I'll pay more attention)

[ebon plank]

Halondrus (normal) was kicking my ass at 241 ilvl, while my co-tank bear had so much more survivability. 🤷

[jagged pier]

i dunno we start halondrus HC last night seems completely fine to me feels like its a misplay if you hurting on that fight

[ebon plank]

its the transitioning walking, he hits like 20k per hit each time

[jagged pier]

u need to keep block up and not turn your back to him

which is why my BDK just take it, because its easier he can just heal

theres no taunt swap there

there no reason to be tanking it

[ebon plank]

ah okay, so I just let my bear friend take the hits 😄

[urban portal]

Did yuzu leave also

[jagged pier]

no hes around from time to time

[blazing condor]

Skyhold dying

[jagged pier]

happens when game is bad

[urban portal]

This raid is good tho

Guess we haven't seen mythic

Only problem is giga trash

[jagged pier]

thats why u just skip it

[urban portal]

We don't have the 4 rogues powerspike

[blazing condor]

I skip the raid

[urban portal]

@jagged pier

They gotchu good

[jagged pier]

yer

we still just death skip

it faster

u also dont need rouges

invis pots and roar is enough

[fading quiver]

as a tank i throw together a 5 man and just go and clear trash before the main raid starts.

[jagged pier]

or invis pots and gunshoes

they put the beams and the true site in to stop the skipping now u just death skip its way batter and faster than going that amount of trash

[grizzled lotus]

252 Sepulcher's Savior in Timewalking chest

I forget, this doesn't really do anything in either mode right

[jagged pier]

its actually better than i thought it would be

20k shield is nice

and it can crit for like 18k

well the hc verison at least

the shield actually saved me from dying yesterday

👍

[grizzled lotus]

so yeah just kinda hit it then

I have a 252 shield already so shrug

[jagged pier]

in defensive mode is also pretty good like if its normal it has the same block as a hc shield and so on

so its not actually

[grizzled lotus]

Yeah that makes sense

just losing about 80 secondaries for the 114 block

probably okay

[urban portal]

Yeah 80 secondaries kinda sketch to me

80 is about 1.x % damage

[jagged pier]

i dropped the 259 shield for the 265 verision

would i drop it for 265 with stats

probably

but 🤷

its a shield is got block

block good

[strong forum]

1. X% dmg of secondaries vs 5% more block value

[blazing condor]

[cold zealot]

So i got an issue... I want to quit Prot because it just feels like S1 start all over again in 15-16 keys. Am I the only one having this problem?
Like i Charge into a Pack just to hit 50% health almost instantly

[blazing condor]

haven't done loads of keys yet but i personally felt fine doing keys around that level. But you definitely feel a bit squishier but thats to be expected at the beginning of a new season + the lack of power items from previous season

its harder but doesnt feel bad at all.

[cold zealot]

Hmm last week i was blasting 16s with dps leggo just to get annihilated in 15s rn. Maybe im just shit at prot after all. 😄

[strong forum]

It's the Fort + New key scaling placebo

Or is it still tyr

[blazing condor]

still tyr this week

[dawn canyon]

Keys essentially got a +3

With the Patch

That's what's making it feel worse

Wait last week also was Patch

Right?

[blazing condor]

you also lose out on tormentor affixes (vers/DR/shield) as well as dom sockets

[dawn canyon]

Nvm figured it out

[idle mortar]

Is pulsating riftshard any good? just got it out of Timewalking chest

[jagged pier]

No

[idle mortar]

F

[jagged pier]

You should be feeling fine tbh, if your playing correctly, u will feel the lose of tormentor powers and dom sockets but they only really change damage tbh, so u should be feeling weaker

[trail brook]

Im doing 15,16 and 17 and dont have that problem tbh

[hardy viper]

How Come prot dont have piercing howl should be baseline after the unpruning. Would be Nice to have

[blazing condor]

yeah would be nice

not sure how needed it is though

[jagged pier]

🤷

tbh ive never thought damn i wish i had peircing howl

[blazing condor]

same

but i mean

if we could have it

then why not

let me have every ability

[jagged pier]

well it was never prot spell

so why give it to prot

🤷

[blazing condor]

fun 🙂

i'll take recklessness and colossus smash too

[sick sentinel]

why does arms have ww

same thing

shouldnt be a thing since arms never had whirlwind

[jagged pier]

what?

yes they did

fevor been around for years

:kekw:

[sick sentinel]

its such a useless spell

just make cleave baseline

[jagged pier]

but they had it

and its not with merciless bongrinder

actually huge value for both fury and arms

in keys

[sick sentinel]

now with bonegrinder yes but without bg u dont even put ww on ur bars as arms

[jagged pier]

okay still doesnt have anything to do with my statement about prot never having piercing howl where arms has had it for a very long time

[median tulip]

I don't think I ever use Hamstring, so how much use would I really get from piercing howl?

[blazing condor]

trueing

[median tulip]

I'd rather have some of the old Prot abilities back

Like Shield Slam having a dispel effect

Or Thunderclap slowing enemy attack speed

[oblique garnet]

hamstring is a zingle slow piercing is aoe

aoe slow is actually useful

[hazy sinew]

and i want sudden death on prot warrior

[blazing condor]

i want sudden death

[sweet summit]

you for got an a

[west walrus]

gm

[blazing condor]

💀

[sweet summit]

for every 10 people in you get 1 guaranteed tier item, but i don't think 20 people are required

[wild rampart]

should i keep gearing haste after 30% or should I look to balance out the rest?

[jagged pier]

u dont gear for haste, highest ilvl gear the strength is far more important than stats, if items have the same strength but one has more haste u choose that,

if u get to 40% haste unbuffed follow that rule

u can go for somthing else

[wild rampart]

oh yea for sure, should have mentioned it, didnt mean to sack ilvl, just wanted to know how much of my 34% haste should i drop, if at all, to get some versatility, without sacrificing ilvl. Unless I am overthinking it

[sweet summit]

10 ppl = 1 guaranteed tier piece
20 ppl = 2 guaranteed tier pieces
15 ppl = 1 guaranteed tier piece + 50% (not sure what % it is) chance for a 2nd tier piece

[strong forum]

well going by those numbers its 10% increase innit

[blazing condor]

cant wait to get big SS

[strong forum]

10*

he literally said 10 = 1

[quick coyote]

Soz to ask but only back to wow. Hows Prot warrior shaping up most sites aren’t sounding great or am i missing something?

[strong forum]

every tank is perfectly capable to do any content in the game, pwar just happened to be the least good

[median tulip]

Player skill is more important than tier lists

[strong forum]

the only thing youll be struggling as as pwar will be the very highest of keys, and it gets punished the most by bad play

[quick coyote]

Ahh cool so more challenge tis good

Cheers

Still ilvl over secondaries i take it?

[strong forum]

always

[quick coyote]

😁

[sweet summit]

YOOOOOOO

[strong forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/875829549995294730.webp?size=44&quality=lossless

[blazing condor]

Leech arc continues

[sweet summit]

one day i'll have 100% leech 🙏

[west walrus]

Then we'll call you : the Leech King

[distant crystal]

[jagged pier]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[chilly brook]

@shut summit just a heads up Retch no longer reflects damage back to boss as of yesterday's hotfix

[blazing condor]

It still does for him

[chilly brook]

Huh, had a warrior do it last night in raid and it wasn't showing up in details

How do you check logs for damage reflect

[shut summit]

enemy damage taken

[blazing condor]

Yeah well he aint sense

[chilly brook]

would it show up as Retch?

[shut summit]

yes

[chilly brook]

I'm not seeing it in this log

[shut summit]

can just link log or dm me

[jagged pier]

it was reflecting last night when i tried

🤔

[chilly brook]

will do

[shut summit]

yea worked both tues/weds on normal and heroic

never know wit hotfixes

[chilly brook]

linked

[chilly brook]

What time?

[jagged pier]

🤷 normal raid time

[chilly brook]

The hotfix was like 7:40pm PST

Skolex, the Insatiable Ravener Fixed an issue where Retch was not treated as an area of effect spell in regards to all defensive abilities.

[shut summit]

yea looks like changed

[chilly brook]

Big sadge

They can't ever let woyer have fun with SR in raid

[shut summit]

riftmaw didnt reflect in heroic tues but did on normal wed for me

unsure if anyone tried on heroic since then

[jagged pier]

it didnt work on hc but i was in before the change

odd its works in different difficults

imo

[shut summit]

yea

[craggy pilot]

anyone know how the Vault Tier sets work?

like if i clear 1 +15, and a bunch of +5 i will get a chance of low ilvl tier set, that is not upgradable? or what?

[chilly brook]

iirc no tier available in vault this week

[craggy pilot]

oh rly? 😮

[wild hemlock]

holy shit for real

[chilly brook]

Looks like they will be in for March 8th

[craggy pilot]

well 8th is this weeks vault tho? 🤔

[chilly brook]

yes

correct

[craggy pilot]

so we can get tier set? 😄

[chilly brook]

yes

[craggy pilot]

ok, do we know how the ilvl will work?

[chilly brook]

no idea

[mighty cairn]

anyone know if the woh stealth functions like an invis pot or shroud

been getting keys where ppl randomly still pull mobs with the buff

unless it's pets or somethign weird

[chilly brook]

I've heard it sometimes gets negated by things

[dawn canyon]

Also had that today

Cant figure it out

[chilly brook]

but I have no substantive experience outside of what I've heard

[dawn canyon]

Probably walked into thr mob

[minor helm]

If you do a +15 key for vault it will be 278, if that slot rolls a tier piece it will be 278

Whatever the slot ilvl is supposed to be tier will be that ilvl

[craggy pilot]

but if a low ilvl slot rolls tier, can i upgrade it with valor?

[minor helm]

From what people say yes

Same with pvp

[craggy pilot]

so it might be ok to do 1 high key, and 7 low keys

[minor helm]

Sounds cring

Would rather just do 8 15s

[craggy pilot]

some of my chars are only 235 ilvl 😄

[minor helm]

Oh well then yeah do what you can

[balmy steeple]

A +15 this season is equivalent in difficulty to roughly what level last week?

[minor helm]

Feels like a 20

[pallid isle]

unless its taz

[plush tendon]

gotta do, timed or untimed, eight 15+ keys

at 6 right now 🙂

The taz dungeons (which I havnt been in) I hear are a wash

[sweet summit]

lower one is rough if u haven't done it before

upper one is very free if you get past murloc area "cleanly"

what's the

website for making

mdt routes

[blazing condor]

The shared one?

[jagged pier]

streets even after nerf is horrible

bosses are better tho

trash still horrendous

[blazing condor]

ive literally never done taz

Gonna be fun

[sweet summit]

i wanna share a secret route

that makes the key

10x easier

[jagged pier]

🙏 please i have a 17

[blazing condor]

Put it in spoiler and tell us that only people you want to see it can see it

[jagged pier]

just share in hot guys club

[blazing condor]

Then how would u be able to see it?

[chilly brook]

Then I'll never be able to see it

[jagged pier]

u have to be a hot guy

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

[sweet summit]

||!fAvtVXjmq0)rv(dm20ZvQkTsBJkRuL6bRfWdj0swIynPB6H93EfymmgCAUyGHb)M5nVzWAQ(OoVR8xqL9I(O2QZnn11nvdT2x1hyFGOZ)da)wFGoE7lfTdW4xun03dNTFA48dq357mx1h4YrpUaTqLTP7SBZM97(H225TWcWtnNFqFGm(uFtT9B11xap6pp02oE7KZHxClm)I1D5O(a3)Yra7A7615uQKuZq(G3h(YsIBF4UxYw3NP3C0DXBIlC2eyBZFAk2283k3hw1YkLQgbzs0WAkqeVraoTK6916Cmmu9WvMqOc6M0XdNyzjDpiZ4sre8s8S4VaL7Sq(qITnJQA1Mpa5sOMWrjr6MYnYvvcJnTFPRqe66csme74Jio2gMY4bWqugEv5OtY9chzG2GHmjqGSjTtW1roscLeHgtccgwfPQqn6KALcJtpsQHwMo6AMZNS)tJZICKWv8IPcnz2DYEwLs3Q(wA4wtoxkfYLz8cgiXBbLTvaUOADpoZDu((cjnzhh7bkTsymoNMbGjIOoe428nsgEGroULA2ilDF7ptUR93htQkWaf4Kji5vl8y2knqIK9PXg(qIn9HeB8djuqrZKYAmBYWsQ1kmDtj9alBZSwxi716K3KhYQllnoifrGmnCEhEQShYeCNlbrdSinqYiZHKrMdjd7E4kwcmfKPrcs1sKkdddwm5FixjcAtq6JcGqDL7zreN(oAwvKjAQidBuHdotjKcxbyoNyjVdqPrakncqPbazKLQKKjGYIO4PR)KJgRnplSIiKCJ7h4(rsI3C4hnZOetZjzEoKJCEraH(N3sV22FzSworAyrnXuPTOt0Kpu2cVaTlHIfUA15hl(BXlWLh)4Tt52EaSxUDQR(2PF0D2a93oDeE65U(I(xVD67DdwqN)KPz8av19a8yxR5lDnNbJUC1Y85MkHhgAANo50mIdngDEw7pVR5(lxV(1pRTA9)a||

think that works

gonna just log on and share the one i have

[jagged pier]

hmm MDT upto date but no new dungeons on it

🤔

[sweet summit]

o

the website is too advanced for me

[jagged pier]

lemme check addons again

[sweet summit]

||!TrvxVXjmqW)sNTHd4128sRuPPI75vcoSVJgceXzst(3xVRXgBtKq3jgVFmZUJbyWfO56848YZTJsTw(Jj1mI1UQN)oIpmDd(wsm9Fa1zGgA0Ypm)EV96lqZC3FLx1pmjBGwh6HMp)vT4(P3U9u3FGM(bLA466O(tOMDgAEVDCvsDFDzroPFEDCeQ5mpqZA3O8DPb0GTmO0)wPEiPguZOUO9X(060n58ermrbYl5RiX7GMhYrdTgMNS5HDWK3BMU5RK7NAo9Gby(3crrtIhAukHuPco1gsgLLaXfbzzWpwcSavstGcsb1I8nLqPg2iHjQ8VQCchpf2LGVPCpp2J2EYz6K8WGZcl5(578SAtQ5r8s1H86CaV02xdfigsrCifH0PizMIdKSGZ862jvQeLeyHDUvgozyLeyifmCVMv5MTvHPMeTzFqAAlA0BEzpN9blvi2PiPs2bl4ozyjjA3t4Z2QHXckslZoVyc)UadHdXosSiLBPZHlPwYAEKvHFo6TKDbtKSVQc7Fj1XIiwyuicwrGUnv2w1YGJgxEje7jXhlzQsug6jpLqW8icwzvyjeAwPXP1s7lPiQyUv2z4Ob2xSa16ltwWTLtryUfybC0WlyjIGAb)0bBunplA7K6xoE3Gl(IIWpGHnTkHzK)0LEv8sDBdynxSnTTryhfZ9gMnFGB944FY1iNGsVJi4rth6B3)tkFbbAETFatrTiL3Nh7)58WKSh)2DN826Wi(HCmm35UIa))p||

does that work

[jagged pier]

ill see when ive updated me addons

which i checked earlier and they were all fine now they all need an update

🤷

[sweet summit]

if it doesn't work just dm me

i'll be afk for like 30 min now

[jagged pier]

[distant crystal]

We went into 17 streets immediately after servers came up Tuesday

I think we were at around 2hrs when we gave up with 2 bosses left

one of our dps was kinda stinkin' it up or we'd probably have completed

[blazing condor]

Couldve been a wr if you kept at it

[chilly brook]

honestly DPS sandbaggers this week are a no go

[sweet summit]

yea we have a 17, but i don't think we're gonna go for that

[jagged pier]

same

[sweet summit]

maybe a 16

[dawn canyon]

-1+2

But

It wish i got that one

It's interesting and a cool way to - 6 a key

[blazing condor]

Thus far ive only boosted guildies in m+

Not fun

[dawn canyon]

Make them buy you consumes

[robust rover]

If I'm maintaining 92-95% uptime on OWS, keep using it in M+ or no? Not sure how to adjust log buff time for 5 stacks vs less than 5 stacks.

[strong forum]

yes its good in m+ aswell

[robust rover]

❤️

[crystal iris]

Fury is hilarious rn

[urban portal]

link the log

because youll always have 92% uptime

but if you dont actually have good amount of stacks it doesnt matter

having 92% uptime just means you are in combat for 92% of m+

you can check it if you click on the buff

this is an example in my raid logs

[crystal iris]

I usually run 2x tanking trinkets but then again im a wimp

[brazen yarrow]

how much worse is pelagos compared to mika

i do not want to mess with my arms setup so im just running pelagos for timewalking rn

[strong forum]

well its alot less spears

you generally dont care abotu conduit setup as prot so you can just run the pinned setup of mikan

[chilly brook]

but there's no conduit energy

And there's a soulforge in haven

[jagged pier]

alot and it shouldnt matter no conduit energy anymore

[brazen yarrow]

i have

memory loss

[jagged pier]

[brazen yarrow]

i will forget my conduits and if i screenshot i will forget i screenshat

[mighty valley]

for timewalking it really doesn't matter, pelagos is fine

[bright dock]

Get conduit manager addon I swap between conduits with 1 button for the whole mika tree

You save a profile like a gear profile

I'll get the exact addon name in a dec

Sec

Soulbind conduit manager

[sweet summit]

YOOOOOOOO

[brazen yarrow]

YOOO

[mighty valley]

Nice nice nice

[blazing condor]

Ayo think ive played with that jaykob

[autumn pendant]

What a gamer

But not fury

Im conflicted

[plush tendon]

Do you have a route you can share 😄

What were the painful parts?

[jagged pier]

scroll up

[plush tendon]

😮

[sweet summit]

#protection message

did that

10x easier

than going right

[plush tendon]

time to get the bois on board

want to avoid a travesty like this

[shut summit]

left is the way

[sweet summit]

yeah

[jagged pier]

sense has spoken

left is the way

🙏

[blazing condor]

Left is right

[sweet summit]

got sack from it too

pogging

[craggy pilot]

omg Tazavesh M+ is a shit show :<

[jagged pier]

nah u just go left

[craggy pilot]

in Streets?

[jagged pier]

yer

[craggy pilot]

but the bosses are still hella cancer

[sweet summit]

menagerie is SO EASY now after the nerf @jagged pier

wtf did they do to it

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-9-2-hotfixes-for-march-3rd-more-mythic-and-sepulcher-raid-tuning-changes-326197?webhook

[jagged pier]

i have a 17

[craggy pilot]

Ticking Sac of Terror vs Phial currently?

@jagged pier could you send a route example for Streets then?

[sweet summit]

i'd play sac over phial

[craggy pilot]

i have Phial+Scale 246 currently

and now a 255 Sac

and 252 Anima Emitter

[sweet summit]

sac+afe/scale tbh

[jagged pier]

scroll up

[sweet summit]

!TrvxVXjmqW)sNTHd4128sRuPPI75vcoSVJgceXzst(3xVRXgBtKq3jgVFmZUJbyWfO56848YZTJsTw(Jj1mI1UQN)oIpmDd(wsm9Fa1zGgA0Ypm)EV96lqZC3FLx1pmjBGwh6HMp)vT4(P3U9u3FGM(bLA466O(tOMDgAEVDCvsDFDzroPFEDCeQ5mpqZA3O8DPb0GTmO0)wPEiPguZOUO9X(060n58ermrbYl5RiX7GMhYrdTgMNS5HDWK3BMU5RK7NAo9Gby(3crrtIhAukHuPco1gsgLLaXfbzzWpwcSavstGcsb1I8nLqPg2iHjQ8VQCchpf2LGVPCpp2J2EYz6K8WGZcl5(578SAtQ5r8s1H86CaV02xdfigsrCifH0PizMIdKSGZ862jvQeLeyHDUvgozyLeyifmCVMv5MTvHPMeTzFqAAlA0BEzpN9blvi2PiPs2bl4ozyjjA3t4Z2QHXckslZoVyc)UadHdXosSiLBPZHlPwYAEKvHFo6TKDbtKSVQc7Fj1XIiwyuicwrGUnv2w1YGJgxEje7jXhlzQsug6jpLqW8icwzvyjeAwPXP1s7lPiQyUv2z4Ob2xSa16ltwWTLtryUfybC0WlyjIGAb)0bBunplA7K6xoE3Gl(IIWpGHnTkHzK)0LEv8sDBdynxSnTTryhfZ9gMnFGB944FY1iNGsVJi4rth6B3)tkFbbAETFatrTiL3Nh7)58WKSh)2DN826Wi(HCmm35UIa))p

[craggy pilot]

ty

will try

need to get more familiar with these bosses tho

[sweet summit]

still tight on timer

you have to play clean

and not have sandbag damage

[craggy pilot]

hmm ye ok

it felt way harder than other dungs

[sweet summit]

yeah it's still a bit overtuned i think

[craggy pilot]

the adds hit super hard, even on Tyrannical

cant imagine how it must feel on Fort

[sweet summit]

not looking forward to it

[craggy pilot]

is Gambit equally hard?

[sweet summit]

nah

but

the first part with murlocks

can get out of hand really fast

if you let them run off

[craggy pilot]

ye, the healing sticks are kinda annoying i remember

[sweet summit]

we had 2 hunters in our group

so 2 bindings really helped

[sweet summit]

don't tell anyone but i don't like #fury chat

[ocean reef]

I'll keep your little secret

[strong forum]

die fury die

[sweet summit]

for once

i agree

with that statement

[torpid junco]

Why is anger management not ran?

[sweet summit]

wdym

[obtuse monolith]

Anger Management is locked in

[sweet summit]

@ocean reef please save my mental i am going insane from reading this how do i stop it

[ocean reef]

We must migrate away from #fury for the foreseeable future

This is getting out of hand

[sweet summit]

can u ping me when archi posts update 🥺

[ocean reef]

He just did @sweet summit

[sweet summit]

o

[ocean reef]

[sweet summit]

pog

ty

[strong forum]

necro pwar staying under the radar

[sweet summit]

warrior bad dude

wcyd

[strong forum]

sad

!

[sweet summit]

!

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/xJI8gvp.png

nice feral

[sweet summit]

@languid yoke i saw u

spit it out

[languid yoke]

[sweet summit]

[languid yoke]

prot fine or

[sweet summit]

ya

[languid yoke]

good, wouldn't want the 10 people playing it to get nerfed

[sweet summit]

LMFAO

[waxen orbit]

Oh shit wait they nerfed Glory

"nerfed"

[strong forum]

only for fury

[sweet summit]

for fury yea

[waxen orbit]

Wait fr?

[sweet summit]

yes?

[waxen orbit]

It says for Glory

[strong forum]

read

[sweet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/876597530429911064/949456017471725618/unknown.png

[strong forum]

maybe you can spot it

[sweet summit]

not very obvious

[waxen orbit]

Okay Jesus

Chill tf out I got severe ADHD

Gottdamn

[strong forum]

i had to

[median tulip]

😂

Fury guy in my guild is pissed

[strong forum]

die fury die

[ocean reef]

Just go to bed and sleep it off

[mighty valley]

but what about when i offspec (when the raid is on farm and somehow i'm not needed to tank or alt heal)

[waxen orbit]

Okay ngl I giggled

[waxen orbit]

Mf I'M pissed I was planning to play that in late-tier M+

[sweet summit]

doesn't change anything in m+

don't worry

[ocean reef]

M+ you'll still blast as fury

[median tulip]

Yeah, without a doubt. I would always set the fury guy from my guild as focus for easy interveneing when we did M+. His opening burst was crazy

[mellow bridge]

The funny thing is

Hc halondrus actually only has 11 prot warr parses

Compared to 182 for the most popular tank

[languid yoke]

did i miss one

[sweet summit]

[mellow bridge]

Was from when I checked a few hours ago

22 was VDH, 32 iirc guardian

[waxen orbit]

Prot warr + Enh sham is stonks asf

17s rn are like 24s at end of 9.2 in terms of scaling so this shit kinda nutty

Prolly gonna get scuffed moving higher without tier sets tho

[sweet summit]

yeah glad i was playing with an enhance

SS procs for days

[waxen orbit]

It’s genuinely not a bad comp

Could probably pull this sort of combo off up to +27 this season if I really sweat but I’m gonna be taking it easy this time around

[ornate flicker]

i see you using 3x dps conduits over taking hammer of genesis

this just for tyrannical or?

[sweet summit]

probably

ashen is pretty good for finishing off bosses

[worthy haven]

Why are people saying protection warrior is bad

The protection warriors I run with do crazy damage even in pugs and they never drop below 80% health

[sweet summit]

they are either uninformed or misinformed

[worthy haven]

So is this purely a once it's level 28 and everybody is getting smacked into the ground they don't have any immunity kind of thing

[sweet summit]

kinda, yeah

[worthy haven]

Because my personal experience is that blood DK protection warrior and brewmaster are the best tanks to run with

Blood DK DPS is awful but those grips are amazing

Ring of Peace is the whole reason I like running with brewmaster monks

[sweet summit]

luckily for bdk, their tier set(s) helps a lot with damage in m+

[worthy haven]

How is prot tier it looks all right to me but I won't even pretend to know enough to make a judgment

[sweet summit]

it's nothing special
great damage increase on ST, good in aoe

a lot of free ignore pain

[plush tendon]

ok, Dragon boss in Taz is a trash boss