3 months
#protection
waxen orbit
strong forum
Then do all the t1 islands, do your daily missions
modern brook
graced*
strong forum
Do the daily 2 chaos dungeon, do the 2 daily guardian raids
waxen orbit
Our old GM’s departure message turned into a copypasta too 
strong forum
Do ghost ship/field boss + adventure Island
modern brook
nothing is sacred
strong forum
Finish shushire campaign
First and foremost
Then do your daily content, then do all t1 islands, keep an eye on lullaby Island you need to do that Island 3x total, it spawns every 2hrs.
wild hemlock
andy playing a warrior in raid right now pretty cool
modern brook
Then do your daily content, then do all t1 islands, keep an eye on lullaby Islan...
aight thanks
waxen orbit
It’s some secret tech
west walrus
omg, the season affix is so shitty
waxen orbit
Yep that one
modern brook
has anyone tried SRing the exploding orbs on the spider dog boss
harold or whatever
waxen orbit
No but you can SR the split on first boss
Though that’s not helpful to your question so sorry
sweet summit
wtf is the spider dog boss
waxen orbit
I think they mean the four legged fuck
sweet summit
halondrus?
modern brook
harold
sweet summit
ah
waxen orbit
I like Harold better
modern brook
in the walking phase
he like
lasers orbs
and they knock you back
im guessing we can SR the damage but not the knock back
but ih avent had a chance to try
sweet summit
shatter?
sweet summit
if it's not in the sheet just assume you can't and sr is just used for damage reduction
modern brook
just seems good if trueto me and yet i cant convince anyone to try it
glacial ivy
What legendarys
modern brook
too busy holding it
modern brook
same as we have been
glacial ivy
And raid
sweet summit
reprisal
glacial ivy
Seems theres 2 of them
modern brook
reprisal and reprisal
sweet summit
it's all in the pins
sweet summit
yeah sure
glacial ivy
Cool thx
modern brook
El. Might and reprisal?
no
Reprisal
and unity
which we cant make yet
dont waste resources on might
sweet summit
ya good call should've specified that 
modern brook
strong forum
andy playing a warrior in raid right now pretty cool
Cuz splits
I doubt he'll play anything but paladin in the actual race
Unless his pwar gets 4p and his pally gets nothing
wild hemlock
no brew?
plush tendon
Got some great boss names in this raid
wild hemlock
true true
plush tendon
we got Da Sauage, Harold, Swolax, Livvie
sweet summit
wasn't mw kil?
waxen orbit
It got hit pretty hard but it’s still a good healer
plush tendon
Its a S tier on the monk healer tier list
waxen orbit
Brings mystic touch, RoP, and revival still so it’s not bad
plush tendon
thats fair, tier lists can be deceiving; but out of all the monk specs, Mistweaver is the best healer
waxen orbit
I’d personally say it’s enough but I’m not Limit Liquid Max
sweet summit
chilly brook
thats fair, tier lists can be deceiving; but out of all the monk specs, Mistweav...
I’d hope it’s the best healer out of all the monk specs since it’s the only healing spec of monk
plush tendon
chilly brook
sweet summit
copa
chilly brook
plush tendon
but why?
plush tendon
Affliction locks need jesus
chilly brook
Their tier set is only like 2-3%
And they’re basically objectively the worst single target in the game
And their small niche of being seed spammers in aoe goes away as soon as destro gets their set
TLDR aff needs help
strong forum
Gib legion aff
sweet summit
yes, however, die warlock die
strong forum
NOW
chilly brook
And I also happen to be raiding on my lock on the side
wild rampart
Tanking heroic first time today, am I overdoing it if I go Mikanikos, The Wall and Bolster? I really don't wanna die to some stupid shit 🙂
plush tendon
Tanking heroic first time today, am I overdoing it if I go Mikanikos, The Wall a...
ye
chilly brook
Tanking heroic first time today, am I overdoing it if I go Mikanikos, The Wall a...
Run reprisal
Don’t run bolster
Run AM
strong forum
I didn't even play Bolster with the wall in mythic raid in 9.0 tbh
wild rampart
If you are gonna run The Wall why would you run bolster
panic button?
strong forum
Wall + AM for those 50sec CD SWs
chilly brook
AM plus Wall is like sub 1m shield wall
strong forum
General block uptime can be covered by taunt swaps
chilly brook
Much better move than bolster
jagged pier
panic button?
prot doesnt have a panic button
wild rampart
right on
chilly brook
wild rampart
prot doesnt have a panic button
Tell that to my butthole when I dip with my back to the mobs and press 3 things at once
cheers lads!
strong forum
That's the jedi way
chilly brook
Tell that to my butthole when I dip with my back to the mobs and press 3 things ...
Just gotta get used to not panicking
Panicking will be detrimental to prot almost every time
wild rampart
Just gotta get used to not panicking
only really an issue before i see the fight once, also im trialing so extra pressure for me 🤣
chilly brook
Here's something to take some pressure off, tanking is the easiest job and has the lowest standards, you literally can't mess it up unless you keep dying 😛
plush tendon
^
wild rampart
Here's something to take some pressure off, tanking is the easiest job and has t...
well there goes fuel for my ego
chilly brook
lol
plush tendon
Tank Ego is derived from M+
chilly brook
Nah
plush tendon
You want to show off you're a good tank, get that IO up
chilly brook
Tank ego is derived from mogging on your cotank and slamming them in DPS
wild rampart
if I have 262 reprisal legs, how badly/quickly will I want to swap it to Feet?
chilly brook
And trying to beat any DPS you can while holding it over their head if you do
chilly brook
if I have 262 reprisal legs, how badly/quickly will I want to swap it to Feet?
you got time no rush
plush tendon
if I have 262 reprisal legs, how badly/quickly will I want to swap it to Feet?
no rush
actually. negative rush
chilly brook
Probably only if you get some decent ilvl upgrades in legs and or tier
plush tendon
unless you got like a leg tier piece you want to equip for a 2 or 4 piece
wild rampart
aight
chilly brook
I just wanna get back in the raid lol
wild rampart
i only ran reprisal in sanctum heroic for clears and shit and was so overgeared that i never really felt the pressure to optimize it. How badly do I care about it on progression?
chilly brook
The fights have all been good so far except for the first boss
plush tendon
So far its aight; Guardian was kind of meh
chilly brook
First boss just zzzzzzzzz
chilly brook
i only ran reprisal in sanctum heroic for clears and shit and was so overgeared ...
Ideally you want to use it as often as possible
both a survival/dps increase
plush tendon
Da Sausage, I think is a bit undertuned
wild rampart
both a survival/dps increase
am i taking booming then or best served cold?
chilly brook
most bosses have a bit of casting or animation lock that makes weaving charges ez
booming
plush tendon
am i taking booming then or best served cold?
boom
still, cant wait to play Necro Fury in raid
chilly brook
Da Sausage, I think is a bit undertuned
Lots of people messing up the soak
wild rampart
still, cant wait to play Necro Fury in raid
YES!
plush tendon
Lots of people messing up the soak
we had to do even or odd so people would stop dying XD
or I would tell the mage to iceblock it
oddly enough, it went to the same people like everytime
and prioed range
chilly brook
still, cant wait to play Necro Fury in raid
Same, don't get to step foot into raid on my warrior until Friday though
Guardian was aids for demo
Oh I tyranted
Oh....the mobs are already dead.....
waxen orbit
First two pulls before we killed I popped Avatar and Spear on something to see it only had 250k health
Literally dead before the GCD tick was over
chilly brook
you could legit do that boss in 220 gear
sweet summit
guardian looks shit as fuck
sweet summit
hanging
chilly brook
its an absolute joke on normal (unsurprising)
It's a joke on heroic too lol
modern brook
heroic is also a joke
left rapids
what legendary slots are we aiming for now? Craft away from legs to be able to carry Tier-4pc asap seems logical.
But what is our ultimate goal? Reprisal on feet and unity where?
modern brook
theres just more to the punchline
its a boring and confusing fight
that ultimaely doesnt threaten you like atall
chilly brook
what legendary slots are we aiming for now? Craft away from legs to be able to c...
irrelevant unless you have 4 pc
nothing stopping you from just recrafting when you cross that bridge
Otherwise it's kinda moot
left rapids
that does not really anwer my question sir 🙂
chilly brook
No but the pins do
robust rover
Hey, I want to make sure I am reading this right. Would this image mean that Heirmir popped, I died, Fate trinket popped after? Is there another way to view these events? Deaths were only listed as 1 (since I was saved by Fate Trinket?)
chilly brook
That is how I would assume it happened
Since you don't "die" with heirmir until armaments wear off
Although why not run emeni or marileth?
heirmir causes all sorts of weirdness with that ability
left rapids
No but the pins do
I already went through the pins and could not find the answer where to craft unity. Neither do the linked guides mention where to craft it, which is why i asked here in the first place.
robust rover
I would go Emeni for 5mans, but I really don't like the tree. Marilth is ok, but I like Heirmir more (atm) for tanking. Just swapped Necro a week or so ago.
chilly brook
Probably because you can't craft it yet
chilly brook
I would go Emeni for 5mans, but I really don't like the tree. Marilth is ok, bu...
But why heirmir isn't really that great
emeni at least has the strength buff
and marileth is a much better option for tankiness and even single target dps
modern brook
Kevin exists so Marileth s op
I honestly expect that the crit and echo from heimer will he more relevant than lead by example
I can explain my feelings better when not on phone
strong forum
You already explained your feelings plenty
waxen orbit
I can explain my feelings better when not on phone
Please explain in MLA format, size 12 font, Times New Roman, with proper indentation, in 4,000 words or more
chilly brook
I honestly expect that the crit and echo from heimer will he more relevant than ...
I mean at the end of the day marileth exists so it's just a non-issue
🙂
blazing condor
does new seasonal affix have truesight or anything?
blazing condor
xD
blazing condor
thank
robust rover
But why heirmir isn't really that great
"Bonesmith Heirmir is a slightly more powerful defensive option than Marileth, and can be a superior choice for particularly dangerous content."
modern brook
that quote literally reads
robust rover
I also liked Serrated Spaulders, Crit bonus, static +stats that scale as my ilvl scale. I disliked Mneominc equipment, but since I maintain agro, sure it's ok
modern brook
"bonesmith has 3% str passive"
chilly brook
"Bonesmith Heirmir is a slightly more powerful defensive option than Marileth, a...
From where?
robust rover
modern brook
icy veins guide
chilly brook
wowhead
sweet summit
bro idk
sweet summit
i get happy drug from cdr guy
modern brook
thats why im asking!!!
id imagine itd be better to route around it to get more lust esques
chilly brook
there's literally nothing in bonesmith that's a great survival increase
blazing condor
idk havent done a dg yet
this healer tells us to kill vy only
seems kinda sus 📮
chilly brook
outside of flat 3% extra stength
chilly brook
it's not wrong
I'd say it is
modern brook
seems kinda sus 📮
a healer that talks is sus tbh
chilly brook
Saying it's a slightly more defensive option is kinda misleading
robust rover
+armor increase too 😉
chilly brook
armor increase is bleh
modern brook
is like 900% of the reason to play heimer
chilly brook
like 3% more armor is going to shave like 30 damage off
robust rover
Carvers eye
Right, the eye too. Forgot
robust rover
armor increase is bleh
but it is slight 🙂
chilly brook
carvers eye is offensive focused
sweet summit
armor+main stat and 4 endurance
compared to ooz and 2 endurance
robust rover
carvers eye is offensive focused
What?? "Mastery increases the chance to critically block and base block chance."
chilly brook
but it is slight 🙂
it's also worse than a 15% hp absorb every 30 seconds
chilly brook
What?? "Mastery increases the chance to critically block and base block chance....
mastery scaling on defense is not good
hence why we don't stack it
robust rover
it's also worse than a 15% hp absorb every 30 seconds
I mean, you have to be below 50% a lot...
chilly brook
you also get stagger lite mode
lmao
oh and you get 120 mastery and other benefits 100% of the time
at least if things are dying
chilly brook
armor+main stat and 4 endurance
compared to ooz and 2 endurance
How often would you slot more than 2 endurance and actually benefit
sweet summit
CAS is always good passive healing
and BV can be good when you do content where it might matter
strong forum
Kumquat
sweet summit
like, i'd still just play marileth
robust rover
How often would you slot more than 2 endurance and actually benefit
CAS does plenty more healing
chilly brook
Likely not enough to matter
modern brook
like, i'd still just play marileth
yeah this is the solution without a doubt
chilly brook
It looks nice on paper
modern brook
My point was just if ur saving marilth for fury war or something and dont want to change conduits, heimer is better than emeni
chilly brook
There really is basically no reason to run Heirmir over Mari
sweet summit
wth
strong forum
Oh boh
chilly brook
Unless you just can't be bothered swapping things around on the same soulbind for different specs
strong forum
Now you started it
Ima fire back
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modern brook
My Japanese needs work Oops lmap
sweet summit
weebs 
blazing condor
bro wtf
why am i top dpsing in this key
prot warr s tier
im calling dratnos right tf now
sweet summit
yuge gamer moment
chilly brook
why am i top dpsing in this key
Keys are brutal rn
Or at least the MoTS I did last night was
modern brook
why am i top dpsing in this key
this dog literally has a crown is wondering why hes king smh
chilly brook
I saw that
modern brook
pog
jagged pier
first key of the season died on last boss
same all because range players didnt swap the to explosives spawning at range
blazing condor
reminds me why i dont play this game no mo
jagged pier
love turning my back to the last boss of a dungeon to HT a explosive that spawned next to a range
modern brook
"prot warrior is a weak tank cant believe we lost because we ran with that" - ranged dps
modern brook
you did they just said it in discord instead of game chat
jagged pier
well cause that took longer than it should have i dont have time for another key before raid
blazing condor
shared overall dps with the mage 
jagged pier
i dunno
wild hemlock
we got first boss, forgot what our second was and sausage man last night in heroic
modern brook
we did first 2 heroic and then swapped to normal and did right up to anduin
day 2 raid will be anduin => heroic clears
chilly brook
you starting in hero?
we did
honestly it's not bad
Other than us being hard stuck on p3 pantheon
modern brook
yeah we only swapped to normal because we wanted to get tier rolls going
blazing condor
the CDR is kinda ass ngl
itd be cooler if the CDR actually "stuck" after the buff was done
now its just like spear becomes 20s cooldown but as soon as the buff is over it goes back to 50
modern brook
whats the third option?
blazing condor
i dont really see a scenario where it isn't
unless they buff the CDR buff to last longer than 10s
but wtf do i know i just depleted my first key
mighty valley
had a 16 theater to start, worst place to learn the new affix lmao
chilly brook
had a 16 theater to start, worst place to learn the new affix lmao
no
MoTS is worse
mighty valley
three bosses, suddenly three things appear, all spitting out explosives
chilly brook
Trust me
mighty valley
screen is just nameplates
chilly brook
Mists first boss is much worse
safe thistle
so its normal for relic to duplicate and sometime you get 2 miniboss + boss ?
blazing condor
yes its called mitosis and it's the key factor to life as we know it
safe thistle
ill go mitosis myself then
mighty valley
on the bridge before gorechop, we'd already depleted timer, so we asked for relics
and they just... dropped into the abyss below
blazing condor
mighty valley
then we clicked it again, and these three fell too, but then all six snapped to us
was hilarious
safe thistle
which one would be easiest to tank with a tyrannical boss urh or vyr
maybe cause its still new so far i prefer the anima affix we had
blazing condor
i mean ones a tankbuster right
mighty valley
vy adds more party damage, urh adds more tank damage
mighty valley
plus a line nuke people sidestep
at least at a 16 none of them were adding super meaningful damage
blazing condor
yeah they didnt really do shit
mighty valley
someone will just have to math out vy vs urh for different comps, probably vy by default but getting some big CDs back to back seems powerful for some classes
and then the stealth one lets you skip a TON, so should hopefully open up some cool routes
modern brook
the problem with CDR is that
it is heavily dependent on the routing of the dungeon
and if you're routing that heavily, you should already be considering your major cooldown usages
which means in order for it to be good
it needs to be in a spot where a) an additional cast of a major cooldown is relevant and b) wouldnt be overshadowed by just getting a free bloodlust during the regular use.
How many of those situations actually exist i cannot say
but just seems pretty narrow
mighty valley
feels like possibly boss fights only, on very specific comps, with decent runbacks to the next thing
so yeah, narrow
modern brook
There are def usecases
I just think that 4 more blood lusts in a dungeon seems pretty good
mighty valley
pretty good
chilly brook
There are def usecases
I can see it on something like first boss of mists tbh
mighty valley
well it's way more than four, these things are everywhere
chilly brook
but only if you chain into it
modern brook
so you have Big CDs on both burns
chilly brook
i.e. you bring the CDR into the boss fight
pop CDs at start
and have them again with the haste buff for burn
mighty valley
i wonder if there are gonna be any wild giga strats where people drag a bunch of minibosses around the dungeon to pop them all on a huge pull
chilly brook
it was also not a good comp
3 ranged casters
:kekw
I don't recommend
Every other boss was fine
but that one?
mighty valley
end loot is capped anyway so now that I have a maxed box in the vault i'll probably step it down for the rest of the week
chilly brook
so bad
mighty valley
got too many games to play to tryhard wow this week
safe thistle
didnt touched elden rings yet
safe thistle
if i start it i know i wont stop playing
mighty valley
i lucked out, it's running fine on my OK pc
it looks totally fine on ps4 though, i'd be playing on that if my wife wasn't playing simultaneously
blazing condor
and a ps4 i get to game on
remember when blizz just sat down and made cata deadmines one of the best got dang dungeons in the game
vanessa was dope asf
long ass gauntlet
third boss kinda ass though with the whole "controlling the mech" thing
sweet summit
ok keys are still a joke
some of u had me hyped for hard content...
looks like it's just taz that's hard, but i haven't tried taz yet
safe thistle
i dunno i find the relic thing quite boring
chilly brook
some of u had me hyped for hard content...
Go do Mists
modern brook
Ergaw op
mighty valley
tyrannical ingra was always pretty bad, now it's +3 key levels, -2 anima powers, - dom shards
and you get a little lust in exchange
earnest iron
My team that regularly did 20's couldn't get past Torvald in +15 SD last night 😕
Like... couldn't.
mighty valley
we don't have the big power spikes of this patch yet
earnest iron
Yeah, things seem to be tuned in anticipation of double leggos and tier sets 😕
mighty valley
i mean
things seem tuned so most m+ players don't mindlessly blast KSM in the first two weeks, lol
strong forum
Me, a loving wife, and a provider
Okay cuck
crystal iris
I did a few 15s yesterday but they felt like 21s
the last boss of NW +16 took almost 4 and a half minutes
I like the new affix tho
also any reason I cant change my name in this server? I use discord for work too and don't love having my actual name on here
plush tendon
some of u had me hyped for hard content...
What level did you do? We did a 16 HoA last night, and we only didnt time due to making dungeon mistakes that cost us a lot of time
but overall, the tuning feels fine
sweet summit
yeah we're just doing 16s
plush tendon
Though, our Frost Mage was feeling the nerfs
sweet summit
we're playing double BM enhance xd
crystal iris
you had an easy time in a 16 with prot warrior 2x BM and enhance??
what are you guys gods?
plush tendon
Fury, WW, and Balance for us last night; had to force our enhance on Resto
Bro, Enhace is fucking good
crystal iris
Its not that great in M+ is it now?
plush tendon
you just wont see it in the top keys because, although Ankh is a awesome defensive, they lack DR
sweet summit
super high overalls
plush tendon
Its respectable
sweet summit
but it's decent
crystal iris
lack DR? they have a 12s 40% DR on a relatively short CD
its like the best personal def in the game?
plush tendon
lack DR? they have a 12s 40% DR on a relatively short CD
I guess what I really mean is 'press button, 0 damage'
crystal iris
oh immunity, i mean neither do warriors
plush tendon
Spell reflect works on a lot of stuff
by likewise, dont really see us in the top keys either
mighty valley
die by the sword if you're an arms loser
plush tendon
still, we are respectable
crystal iris
good point
plush tendon
like, meta comp last tier was like Prot Paladin, Rogue, Mage, WW, and Resto Shaman
crystal iris
11.5k for BM is nuts, i guesss on tyr it makes sense tho
plush tendon
I see like 3 immunites, WW was broken and has a plethora of defensives, and then shaman does stuff
crystal iris
lol
plush tendon
but again, I dont play at that level so just need to be respectable
crystal iris
your point being that enh has no def for high keys but they you point out that rsham was meta in the highest keys with the same defensive kit 😛
plush tendon
different for healer though
different mechs they worry bout
not gonna make your healer soak something ya know
mighty valley
i mean, any comp at all with great players can do anything but giga keys
plush tendon
i mean, any comp at all with great players can do anything but giga keys
100%
Just need to be respectable; if you a giga chad doing giga keys they you gotta optimize shit
mighty valley
16s right now are not giga keys, they're just very hard for your average ksm player
plush tendon
I mean damage profiles can start to matter in 20+
yea, 100%
but you can achieve that in like a million different ways
mighty valley
(by "average" i mean the 10% of m+ players who are already a small slice of wow players, lol)
crystal iris
oh of course. ya I aggree
team comp matters but the meta doesnt really
unless were talking about healers in which case have a cracked Rsham / Hpriest helps since you have an extra 3-4k DPS in your group
plush tendon
goal this week is to get every key done at a 15+ level
waxen orbit
16s right now are not giga keys, they're just very hard for your average ksm pla...
I mean they’re very overtuned rn because we have no gear
plush tendon
and then repeat next week
waxen orbit
I wouldn’t say they’re only hard for KSM players
plush tendon
once we have tier and double legos though...
waxen orbit
Yeah with that it’ll be easy
plush tendon
gonna be steamrolling
mighty valley
yeah but they're not like... 26s from last season, is what i mean
plush tendon
timing all 15s not easy this week
dont need to time, just need to do and be close enough to the timer to get some points
waxen orbit
15s this season at this moment are about equivalent to 23s last season
Boss health scaling is really insane
crystal iris
yeah its way more noticable on bosses
waxen orbit
KSM players are doing like, +11s now
crystal iris
not just bc of tyrannical
waxen orbit
If even that
plush tendon
Im glad we planned for this; I have a nice 18 NW
to deplete down to a 17, then a 16, then a 15
waxen orbit
I have a 22 spires fucking kill me
plush tendon
I have a 22 spires fucking kill me
mighty valley
i'm just saying it's not wild that erga sailed through a 16 with a non-meta comp with good players
waxen orbit
i'm just saying it's not wild that erga sailed through a 16 with a non-meta comp...
Yeah if you’re playing with good players it’s gonna be simple
strong forum
plush tendon
and you can still basically run the same route you were last season
waxen orbit
Yea
I’m just saying that if you notice last boss of NW on a 17 takes 6:18
Don’t be surprised
waxen orbit
plush tendon
I’m just saying that if you notice last boss of NW on a 17 takes 6:18
Gonna suck even more if we wipe with no weapons
waxen orbit
Welcome to the club g
Got him to 200k health
Healer got hit by comet storm because it was 3am after raid and the poor dude’s focus was shot
And we wiped
Would have timed too
I don’t blame him tho
plush tendon
what weps did you save?
crystal iris
did you say 22 spires???
waxen orbit
1 spear and all hammers
plush tendon
I imagine we will throw spear on pull and then save hammers for shields
crystal iris
you timed what a 25 or 26 last week?
waxen orbit
Right on
waxen orbit
you timed what a 25 or 26 last week?
26 the week prior to last
waxen orbit
Fury warr
crystal iris
ahh kk
crystal iris
I imagine we will throw spear on pull and then save hammers for shields
This was our plan too. Wait until you see how much of a shitshow stichflesh is
waxen orbit
Had a prot pal buddy come in and tank a lot of keys because prot warr is just objectively inferior and fury warr is stupid broken
crystal iris
we ended up having to blow both spears on him
plush tendon
: ^)
waxen orbit
Could have gotten just as far on prot but I wanted it to be a simple ride for the whole team
crystal iris
oh you dont spearr first boss?
plush tendon
no
crystal iris
they changed bolstering btw you cant bolster bosses
plush tendon
the last two are the hard points
waxen orbit
Spear is overkill
plush tendon
after that, dungeon plays itself for the most part
crystal iris
I guess, but sometimes I pull boss with the pack on stage and the 2 crafters never die unless i spear through them
plush tendon
I guess, but sometimes I pull boss with the pack on stage and the 2 crafters nev...
theyll die with the buff
the kyrian buff is crazy
crystal iris
i know they are supposed to die
plush tendon
and its good funnel damage
crystal iris
but from my exp they dont and they dont move either, so they end up in the slime its annoying
plush tendon
if you have someone who can make use of it
waxen orbit
I guess, but sometimes I pull boss with the pack on stage and the 2 crafters nev...
That’s just a situation DPS needing to focus them
plush tendon
can also just pull stage pack first, get it low, then pull boss
waxen orbit
Tell them beforehand to focus them. Melee and ranged alike. If they don’t and you wipe from it, I genuinely think you should tell them either learn to do that or find another tank
That makes lots of DPS focus up
plush tendon
waxen orbit
But that’s just my approach
crystal iris
good point
ill get "wtf why pull that tank, so unnecessary"
so i just got into the habit of spearing them, but good point we should save for last
waxen orbit
ill get "wtf why pull that tank, so unnecessary"
The go-to excuse from DPS who can’t pull their weight
waxen orbit
so i just got into the habit of spearing them, but good point we should save for...
Yeah once you get higher in the key register, 4th boss gets brutal without spear
And once a fight in a dungeon stretches on longer than 6 minutes, people are going to lose focus, or healer just won’t be able to keep the group up that long
crystal iris
ya, what about the orbs?
I usually save them for upstairs
fort week ill double orb the double pull, Tyr ill use one on the double and other on boss
waxen orbit
Use one on the huge pull with Kyrian buff right before second boss (the pat, the 2 necromancers, the huge horde of skeletons, and then the 2 bonecarvers) and then use the other one upstairs on the pack in the far left (which you can double up with the pat if you got the AOE and heals)
crystal iris
i dont usually need orb on the big kyrian buff pull
actually ive been messing around with a route where I pull the forbidden pack before the bridge with orb
stage pull with first boss might be rough now that the pack and boss have encrypted
waxen orbit
Oh yeah that forbidden miniboss? Nar’zudah?
I’ve done routes where we’ve pulled him
He’s good %. Definitely not a bad idea
I say if you’re confident with it, try it
waxen orbit
stage pull with first boss might be rough now that the pack and boss have encryp...
Nah I’ve done it, it’s no worry
crystal iris
you get 2x Vy or a Vy and urh?
waxen orbit
You just wanna make sure you position the miniboss not in the hooks
Always Vy
It’s giga great especially if you have a rogue
crystal iris
hooks? sorry im talking first boss
waxen orbit
Oh sorry I thought you meant third from the stage there
Personally I haven’t pulled stage mobs with boss yet this week
On first boss
I pull the pack in the middle plus the pats
crystal iris
waxen orbit
Yeah that but add on even more patchwerk soldiers
And remove the last necromancer pack before 2nd boss
waxen orbit
OH YEA YOU GOT NAR’ZUDAH
crystal iris
he melts with orb and kyrian buff
waxen orbit
That’s a good route there
wild rampart
is humbling strikes blockable?
crystal iris
tyr route since i dont use orb on the massive kyrian buff pull
wild rampart
from pantheon?
waxen orbit
No idea
waxen orbit
Are you on heroic or normal??
wild rampart
hc
crystal iris
how do you pull the middle pack into the boss? you invis to the kyrian buff then pull boss into middle pack?
waxen orbit
how do you pull the middle pack into the boss? you invis to the kyrian buff then...
Precisely
crystal iris
any kicks required?
waxen orbit
The big meat soldier and the harvester
That’s it
I misread again
That’s what I usually pull so I just assumed
Uhh if you’re just pulling pats into it like what you have selected then nah
crystal iris
i tried this once it did not go over well with the team haha
team of pugs mind you
chilly brook
@wild rampart how’s that trial going?
waxen orbit
i tried this once it did not go over well with the team haha
Most of the time with pugs I’m fine on that but I usually only take pugs around my IO this early in the season
sweet summit
man this affix is so nice
i really like it this far
no more back to back spears tho...
they fixed that...
blazing condor
sad!
but yeah i like it for sure
nice that you dont have to route around the affix for once
like
majorly route
aka. go to set bosses to get tormentors or pride better
sweet summit
yeah
plush tendon
we only ever get the haste one
dawn canyon
yes
grizzled lotus
swapping to Warrior for this tier and I'm going into the heroic raid blind; if I play Necrolord I really do need a Glory crafted? or is Necro Reprisal fine until I wait for Unity leggo
if it's meh I can just play Kyrian/NF/Reprisal
I'm not super worried about being optimal this week but if it just feels bad to play Necro without Glory I'll wait on it. Would also wanna save the gold I guess.
sweet summit
we only ever get the haste one
the cdr one heals you for 10% max hp every second
it's op as fuck
sweet summit
i think so
plush tendon
I guess if you plan its use well, could be sweet
plush tendon
I remember one person saying like the buffs should be items that we can choose to use when we want
which, personally, id prefer
sweet summit
i beg to differ
plush tendon
but might be too OP
sweet summit
i think how it is now is completely fine
you can easily choose which one to get, and when to get it
plush tendon
I think once we learn how to maximize them then we'll see the stonks
right now, we are basically just taking haste and blasting with it
plush tendon
but its like, what , day 2?
sweet summit
true
plush tendon
or charge target in general
craggy pilot
is the WB still not a thing?
sweet summit
wb?
craggy pilot
world boss
craggy pilot
ah ok, just cant see it on my world quests 🤔
sweet summit
allll the way at the top
might be locked behind campaign? 🤔
no idea
just thinking out loud
craggy pilot
ill check again ty
bright dock
hey guys can anyone link me a mouseover macro for heroic throw that you are using for explosives? mine is always trying to hit my main target first and a lot of the ones im finding online are old af
craggy pilot
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exist,harm] Heroic Throw; Heroic Throw
hazy condor
can we reflect the spell of prototype of war ?
bright dock
thanks Nielsen
inland wasp
I'm not super worried about being optimal this week but if it just feels bad to ...
im personaly just going with Repraisl and waiting for unity. i dont find it being that bad just our damage suffers a bit nothing major but somthing to account for
grizzled lotus
mmk
but yeah playing Necro with Reprisal is fine overall, you just transfer some damage/rage to nearby friends
and is probably a bit worse or something
idk having Fleshcraft seems good for learning
that's part of my consideration
sweet summit
the on use is shit
but extra block is big
secondary stats are better for damage
block is better defensively
sweet summit
nah
craggy pilot
prev experience you mean cleared normal?
sweet summit
cleared SoD/CN and maybe normal Sep idk
craggy pilot
ye ok, just wondering if i should go Normal before HC, or if i can just skip it cus i dont rly need any gear from Normal anyway
craggy pilot
tru
sweet summit
very hard on hc apparently
craggy pilot
ah ok
heard that the heal zone was highly overtuned
but not sure if its still the case
sweet summit
yeah idk how the situation is right now
chilly brook
heard that the heal zone was highly overtuned
bugged
sweet summit
been in key prison for a while
outer solstice
been in key prison for a while
how many did you get imprisoned in? I was forced to do like 12 keys before raid xD
sweet summit
only 7
outer solstice
yeah same hear, I love the cconcept
brings a lot more depth and possibilities 🙂 I like using urh in bosses and bring a Vy guy to kill just before bosses xD
sweet summit
rank 5 prot war world 😎
outer solstice
giga double CDs
outer solstice
shround one has big movement speed, really nice for DoS and such
oh we did like 7x ToP because we got no other keys 😦
sweet summit
we never killed it in dos, only in halls and spires for skip
outer solstice
yeah we accidentially pulled too much trash in DoS ardenweald
and used the ones at the matriarch to skip to the broker boss
back to prideful tacts 😛
I like it xD no weird "oh we lack 0.4%"
outer solstice
15% damage reduction 😛
outer solstice
if it would be 50% maybe xD
mighty valley
it's week 1, it's cool to have the stealth one on every pack so people can try diff routes
sweet summit
we basically only killed urh
mighty valley
it's fine if it's not used much
outer solstice
yeah haste only when we want it for next pack
waxen orbit
It depends heavily on group comp
chilly brook
I'm being serious
It'll be haste a majority of the time
unless there's a big gap between
waxen orbit
CA + ramp CDR is massive with a boomie
Or with fire mage combust or icy veins + orb
Yea basically
mighty valley
you can also chain haste into CDR, plus some healers might need the mana
chilly brook
you can also chain haste into CDR, plus some healers might need the mana
This is where I see uhr being used
waxen orbit
Haste sure if you’re with a rogue and monk
chilly brook
Haste sure if you’re with a rogue and monk
or warrior
chilly brook
Or lock
outer solstice
or warrior
nah CDR works really good for warrior
outer solstice
but yeah as I said I think the best is to kill urh if you need it for the pack it's in, and kill Vy if you want it for the next pack
waxen orbit
Fury is a valid argument for haste because they basically already have no CDs, they get that shit back quick asf
chilly brook
And Demo won't be wanting the CDR because it'll mess with tyrant ramps I'd assume
outer solstice
you get double MBG, Bladestorm Reck and spear at thestart of a boss during hero
that's bigger than 15% haste
outer solstice
unless you pull some additional shit with it
grizzled lotus
yeah I was gonna ask if MBG is a gain in ST
sweet summit
very slightly if at all
mighty valley
the fact we're even talking about it is an improvement over last season's which was solved in an instant, other than which ones you can get away with skipping completely as key level goes up
outer solstice
also the relics are not linked,...
so you actually need to pull em all when they are in weird locations
like in DoS mechagon big doggo pack
they are halfway in the tunnel
well spinny-doggos xD
oO we had no relics there
weird
we were in there early though
our prot pally nearly got oneshot by the security guards though xD
we had no soothe
xD
mighty valley
i assumed they were linked so many times, like on TOP spirits hallway
and then we're just waiting for a thing to spawn before i realize the last relic is chilling out of LOS
outer solstice
yeah, first room you can double pull left 3 and right 2
but that's it
get the pat singled out there with a trap or so when they are in a good spot
these damn slicers + statis beams are a weird combo
craggy pilot
gear is capped to +10 right?
chilly brook
Even in pre S3 Tazavesh multi pack pulls rarely worked out
craggy pilot
or is it only vault?
outer solstice
vaults i uncapped
craggy pilot
ah ok
thought i should just fill up my vault with +10s
but +15 sounds pretty hard right now
chilly brook
You get 278 out of vault on reset if you do 15s
mighty valley
don't even need to time a 15 to put it in the box
craggy pilot
comparable to a +20 right?
chilly brook
18/19
outer solstice
I'd say harder from feeling because we don't know what we're doing
mighty valley
it's like an 18/19 but we don't have the patch's power yet
chilly brook
But not having dagger and other powers definitely make a noticeable difference
Especially on like Hakkar
mighty valley
and people aren't using the affix well, yeah
outer solstice
btw do we know if it can drop tier?
outer solstice
yeah I know that was fixed ^^
craggy pilot
ah ye, that felt kinda broken 😄
outer solstice
relax
has always been like that in PvP
they remove suspected cheaters and pilots from the ladder
before they fix it
9 days is actually fast
outer solstice
nah, but pilots and bugabusing
waxen orbit
What is bugabusing?
outer solstice
abusing bugs in the game
I bet there are still some old vanilla items that totally break things xD
limpid pawn
is it possible to pull the encrypted adds without aggroing things near them?
urban portal
dont think so
mighty valley
I was able to pull a leftover miniboss after a wipe without pulling the boss again but didn't try just pulling the little fuckers
west walrus
I could aggro one add alone, maybe a bug though
But when trying to get the other ones, trash went. Does not seem to work like tormentors
frosty holly
They have some real strange aggro. Can can nearly stand on them and not aggro. Pull 1 other 2 don't follow
Run to far and they reset
chrome falcon
is the bell trinket nerfed for tank specs?
i had it proc twice on a 4:30 attempt tonight
cinder nova
You don't have to run out with infused strikes, right? 🤔
bold mirage
You do not have to run out it is just damage that hits the raid
keep stacks as low as possible
sweet summit
what's the bell trinket? 
cinder nova
what's the bell trinket? <:detective:912341312907378689>
Bells of the Endless Feats on Skolex
opaque vine
on skolex, is the tank cast fixated, i.e., can you taunt while he is casting rift/rend on the other tank or will the cast change target as well
bold mirage
You can taunt while it is casting
spare cave
İs the new prot warrior buff ant good?
scenic mural
spare cave
So prot paladin still ahead in dps?
sweet summit
no idea bro
cinder nova
sweet summit
- we haven't raided yet
- i don't tank raids
bold mirage
it is magic damage reflect it and CD it
sweet summit
bold mirage
that is what I did last night
sweet summit
still 20% dr
dull owl
I am very new to prot warrior. Does shield block Pandemic, lose duration, or add the time when pressed while up
sweet summit
it adds full duration up to a cap of 18 secons (3x normal duration)
with bolster that cap is increased by last stands duration
dull owl
Thanks man
sweet summit
wild hemlock
Bells of the Endless Feats on Skolex
There's a bug where users apply the stack to the first person that applied it. Gg whoever gets the first stack haha
urban portal
There's a bug where users apply the stack to the first person that applied it. G...
so all the damage goes to whoever gets the first stack?
grizzled lotus
Oh Infused Strikes just always hits the raid for the amount of stacks dropped? No need to move?
Lol 🙃
I am enjoying Spell Reflect on this fight
ornate magnet
can you dismiss bron?
blazing condor
Either cancelaura or just clickity click
tame jasper
Either cancelaura or just clickity click
this saved me a lot of keys 😄
#showtooltip Potion of the Hidden Spirit
/cancelaura Bron's Call to Action
/use Potion of the Hidden Spirit
modern brook
Officially retiring I love you all :(
jagged pier
urban portal
Whar happened
blazing condor
Officially retiring I love you all :(
Wtf why
He already left too.,.
Was it something i said?
jagged pier
🤷
blazing condor
Shit life
deft hinge
Officially retiring I love you all :(
Nooooo!
west walrus
steel mist
i really hate anger management, i think its maybe im used to heavy reprecussions
so far we reached prototype pantheon
steel mist
if you have the tier set then yes
blazing condor
thats like saying you hate not having training-wheels on your bike cus its harder to ride it
steel mist
ill use it
blazing condor
kinda cringe how they changed the weave of warped fates trinket so late
teal swift
Yes it is.
Now y'all will need to get that gigs shit Trinket from this raid
Just in case
They rework it 
jagged pier
i mean in defence its got the same block as a base mythic shield
but not having stats is kinda of arse
but if u have it and its a higher ilvl than the 1 u have its better
tawdry dirge
running 252 version from tara
not having it atm but was just curious what to target
jagged pier
stats > than the on use and no stats
blazing condor
hc pugs 
jagged pier
the raid is gunna be horrendous for pugs
strong forum
The last 3 bosses of the raid are gonna be a mess
jagged pier
has already been nerfed alot
ocean reef
7/8 HC fights were fun but yeah could defo see them being absolute ass with randoms
Halondrus 
strong forum
has already been nerfed alot
Nobody has seen them tho