#protection
distant crystal
distant crystal
we had awful luck w/ weaps
2 jaithyses, one on bdk, one on hpal
0 daggers
hunter never got bow
i never got opus
I think one of our furries got OWS
sick sentinel
indeed
wild hemlock
fingers crossed for 2 piece this week
sweet summit
🙏
wild hemlock
GIVE US SOME SEEING RED BABY
tame jasper
does anyone know if HoA skip with gin-ji knife set still works in 9.2?
craggy pilot
Anyone know how RWC works this week? Do they go straight past normal, and just do splits in HC instant? 🤔
iron trench
distant crystal
willow hearth
hey guys ! i have a big problem, raid is starting tomorrow and i will play with a paladin as second tank. Last raids, i haven't got any aggro problems at all, nowadays he joins the fight for like 5 seconds and i lose my aggro instantly from the mob. Any tips here for getting more aggro as warrior tank? specially for raid?
jagged pier
let the paladin with ashen take the boss first
craggy pilot
Press taunt?
urban portal
ye let him taunt first
no reason for you to tank boss first when you can just not tank boss
and 
willow hearth
uhm ok. I was maintanking since SL, thats the reason i'm asking. Was just wondering why i cant hold the aggro since 9.2
jagged pier
its called ashen hollow
willow hearth
its just because of the ashen then?
sturdy sable
Unless that pally is a chump hes also probably blasting damage with wings along side the ashen
willow hearth
so at all ... paladins are just big dmg canons, so i won't have any chance to maintank, if he's a "solid" player?
jagged pier
Without ashen aggro should be fine unless you are playing drastically wrong
Right lets get this straight right now, there is no such thing as main tanking anymore
craggy pilot
There is 2 main tanks
jagged pier
There are just 2 tanks
craggy pilot
😅
sturdy sable
Yeah your 2 halves of the same whole
Holding onto the "maintank" title is just needless machismo
pallid isle
Ya, pally tanks you have to watch for ashen later on if its your 'turn' at bat... even if they're holding back pre-ashen, ashen can pop it right proper off
willow hearth
alright guys, i totally forgot the passive healing input from ashen to the raid, thanks folks
pallid isle
back in nathria we had a pally tank come in for a few weeks and I was panicing cause he kept pulling
jagged pier
Also ashen shouldnt be an issue as u can just taunt then leap and reset taunt
modern brook
I thought protally ran kyrian
Or is that m+
I wouldn't know cause I don't play dweeb classes
pallid isle
M+ mostly. Ashen is too much upside in raid
waxen orbit
My raid comp has lost our havoc DHs
No more darkness
Four legged fucker boss is gonna be pain
urban portal
alright guys, i totally forgot the passive healing input from ashen to the raid,...
the passive healing is like 10% of the threat that the damage creates
not that relevant
not to mention everyone is full hp on pull
actually cap
on guardian, ashen does 3.8k dps and 4.8k hps
tho im not sure 1 point of healing=1 point of damage in terms of threat
mellow bridge
anyone know at about how much rep one should be at atm
to get unity memory in time
jagged pier
U get it anyway on belt which is fine for us doesnt matter if your a day or 2 behind
Might even help as leggos would have gone down in price
mellow bridge
that's not what i asked
jagged pier
Yer but what u asked is irrelevant
mellow bridge
you know you dont have to answer if you dont have anything relevant to add
waxen orbit
anyone know at about how much rep one should be at atm
You should be about 70% of the way to honored
So around 4000/6000
wild hemlock
why are ppl taunting on pull?
i taunt on pull cause fuck ehads cast early and pingpong
mellow bridge
just let your paladin do that then
you can taunt right before the boss mechanic if you need to take it first for w/e reason
jagged pier
i taunt on pull cause fuck ehads cast early and pingpong
SS will stil out aggro anything a dps does
urban portal
alright guys, i totally forgot the passive healing input from ashen to the raid,...
lemme give you a perspective
a #1 log on guardian with no buffs for prot pal does 19k dps and 10k hps, while the #1 prot warrio does 10k dps and 2k hps on pull
wild hemlock
servers up for NA
grizzled lotus
getting this weird "Population: Incompatible" thing
never seen that ever
version 9.2.0.42423 right?
wild rampart
how much do conduits ilvl matter?
strong forum
dont matter much
wild rampart
i mean, they are 226+, a few 239 and such, just wanted to know how much should i do rifts cuz i want to stab myself in the ear with a pen if i have to farm more catalogued research
strong forum
its legit 0.1%
wild rampart
per conduit?
wild rampart
well now
wild rampart
or kill jailer on mythic and then i can get them allk at 278
wild rampart
yeah 😄
cheers
i can go with my gasoline and gently pour it over my rift rares route and set it ablaze, sit nicely and cook some marshmellows
strong forum
sounds like a plan 
like only specific conduits that have any impact on our class are the cov specific one (except venthyr), Last Stand and Stalwart guardian
rest is pretty much just irrelevant
hollow trellis
finally got an OWS (heroic), is it a viable trinket for tanking?
blazing condor
For sure
Not a bad trinket
Maybe a high ilvl trinket will out-perform it by raw strength alone eventually tho
strong forum
ya ows is really good
modern brook
ows owns
clear oar
you got a 6% buff gj
cerulean wyvern
damage increased for prot by +6%
merry ocean
Are we S tier now? 😄
plush tendon
100% S tier
west walrus
I agree 100%
plush tendon
checks out
sweet summit
pretty good list
however
i would personally put warrior in the c tier since it's cool
distant crystal
it's the worst warrior tank spec
merry ocean
and the best at the same time
uncut notch
Idk man I feel like a damage increase isn’t what we needed
agreed, 5-7k dps is fine for an M+ tank
Ignore pain needs to just not be totally fucking useless
torn gust
yay buff
waxen orbit
I been doing 8-9k in +24-25 register
waxen orbit
Ignore pain needs to just not be totally fucking useless
But yeah I agree with this 110%
torn gust
^
waxen orbit
Just a really bad defensive
nocturne crown
Hey guildie!
wild hemlock
wow of all buffs we really got 6% damage lol
west walrus
I take any buff to my favorite class
uncut notch
I take any buff to my favorite class
Idk, feel more depressed that they looked at it and went "thats what it needs"
waxen orbit
Idk, feel more depressed that they looked at it and went "thats what it needs"
Honestly same
uncut notch
Its like, crushed hope
waxen orbit
Just feels sour
uncut notch
As opposed to just futility
waxen orbit
Yeah like they acknowledged there was an issue
uncut notch
Hey guildie!
Shagger
jagged pier
Idk, feel more depressed that they looked at it and went "thats what it needs"
they may be looking into more stuff but that wont come till 10.0 the damage increase brings us more inline with other tanks on ST
like u cant really make any drastic changes
at this point in an expansion
and lets not forget tier set is actually a free buffed IP every 10 seconds ish
torn gust
^
waxen orbit
they may be looking into more stuff but that wont come till 10.0 the damage incr...
I hope this is what it is
Like that they’ll actually tap us up with 10.0
craggy pilot
Does this buff put our dmg higher than prot Pala? 🤔🤔
jagged pier
no but its not 1 its a free IP which acts like its been buffed every 10 seconds with and outbursted SS which is tone
of stuff
strong forum
Does this buff put our dmg higher than prot Pala? 🤔🤔
not even close
mighty valley
i think everyone is underrating the amount of IP we're gonna have to cast because our rage gen is about to go through the roof
jagged pier
youll be pumping a lot into IP anyway to prevent overcapping just read the pin
limber temple
In 10.0 - I’d love to have reprisal baked into my warrior.
mighty valley
it is normally an inefficient button that sucks to press but it's essentially gonna be free
waxen orbit
i think everyone is underrating the amount of IP we're gonna have to cast becaus...
No one is underrating how much we’re casting, we’re simply acknowledging that compared to any other tank defensive IP is just objectively inferior
strong forum
Paladins rn sim to deal around 12-13k DPS SINGLETARGET in 9.2
craggy pilot
But I meant m+
waxen orbit
Ppal is gonna have a chokehold there still
craggy pilot
Kyrian Pala vs kyrian warr
hollow trellis
]
strong forum
my prediction with full gear
west walrus
In 10.0 - I’d love to have reprisal baked into my warrior.
Most of us too
craggy pilot
we already did close to more dmg than paladins
So now we will be bigger?
strong forum
is that tanks will do about 17k in pumper situations in keys
13-14k normal
except bear
bear will do like 20k
maybe more
waxen orbit
So now we will be bigger?
No, it’s literally just a shield slam damage buff every now and then and an avatar increase. In the way of AOE our tier set does nothing
strong forum
in absolute pad keys like mists i think tanks will surpass 20k
except bear
will do like 25k
maybe more
waxen orbit
Bear finna crank
strong forum
like bears are absolutely broken
mighty valley
comparing IP 1:1 to other buttons doesn't really make sense, given that 100% shield block uptime is pretty powerful. but yes, would love the button to be reworked, just can't expect that mid-expansion. and it's gonna be a lot stronger with a ton more rage
also pretty sure there will be more tuning passes
craggy pilot
Did bear do this high DPS in S2? 🤔
strong forum
no
its their tierset that is broken
their tierset alone will increase their dmg by 60% in single target
jagged pier
no they dont get sinful surge for a few more weeks
strong forum
and in aoe itll buff their dmg by over 400%
craggy pilot
Wtf
strong forum
🙂
craggy pilot
We gonna use tier set on TC in m+ tho?
mighty valley
maybe in the tazavesh murloc room lmao
strong forum
there is 1 exact situation where you might wanna use empowered TC
on pull for snap threat because you pressed avatar
and youll be overloaded with rage
because spear/bv/ravager will all be ready
and you cant hold all that rage from SS ontop of that
thats THE ONLY TIME i can see myself using empowered TC
otherwise its a mistake to do
strong forum
actual dmg loss to press TC with setbuff
craggy pilot
To press it ever?
strong forum
with set buff
craggy pilot
Ah
strong forum
because the extra rage you gain from SS
craggy pilot
So I should time my set, and save SS when I get 8 stack
craggy pilot
The tier set should make rage gain from TC higher pr target hit 😅
strong forum
vs 1x TC for 6k
uncut notch
curious to the general feeling on the tier sets, 1 being shite 10 being "fixed all my issues with class" where are we ranking it?
strong forum
6
uncut notch
Seems like a nice buff but cant see it changing my life
strong forum
maybe 5
jagged pier
6
strong forum
for raid its a 7
for m+ its a 4
its a REALLY WELL DESIGNED SET
but its not amazing numbers wise
from a philosophy standpoint its absolutely amazing
fits great
but the numbers just aint it
uncut notch
because spear/bv/ravager will all be ready
Also been wracking my brain and have no idea what BV is
uncut notch
OH demo shout
strong forum
9.2 will be all about ABSOLUTELY maximising rage gain
in every aspect
you want as many outburst stacks as you can get
craggy pilot
Wait we going BV now? 🙈
valid glacier
So is prot warrior buff good to make us one of the better tanks for raid?
strong forum
in raid we are already better than a few tanks
we're sleeper OP for execute dmg once you have 4P2L
but its not gonna push us over any edge
Brew Tierset is still broken
Bear Tierset is still broken
Paladin is still Paladin
BDK still has Grip
prisma crane
and dmg doesnt affect our bleed/magic dmg taken
strong forum
that doesnt matter for raid
strong forum
in very high m+ yes
but Indom Value and IP uptime will rise GREATLY
so we will factually be ALOT tankier
prisma crane
yea, the rage gen will be nice
strong forum
thats the issue with 9.2
all the defensive gains we have are hidden behind IP and Indom
prisma crane
we got better, others got betterer
strong forum
theyre not as one the nose as
"yeah your dmg button heals you to full everytime you use it"
or "you have basically infinite runic power and greatly increased DRW uptime"
ykno
our stuff is more sneaky
prisma crane
and requires good play to maximize
strong forum
yea
prisma crane
instead of hit normal rotation button and profit
strong forum
well technically it is
prisma crane
i guess
but in order to get it more often you have to play more optimally is more i guess what i mean
instead of just wait for button to light up
craggy pilot
Hasted?
patent osprey
The saddest thing about prot warrior buff today is that it truely shows whoever is doing the warrior dev... doesn't know what the problem is this tier with prot war T_T
craggy pilot
cinder nova
Can we get tier in this vault?
patent osprey
people dmd me Prot warrior buff and I thought ITS TIME! Good thing ive been keeping my prot war up to date
but then... i was just more saddened
Next buff will be, prot warrior physical damage taken is reduced by 10%
sturdy sable
Oh boy
strong forum
Can we get tier in this vault?
not this vault
mythic week vault yes
but not this heroic week vault, aka today/tomorrow
jagged pier
The saddest thing about prot warrior buff today is that it truely shows whoever ...
well damage was an issue just not the biggest, and its a quick fix to a problem, not just the correct one, but as nome said we are on it
mighty valley
they also have a lot of time before people actually have set bonuses, should be more tuning passes
cinder nova
well damage was an issue just not the biggest, and its a quick fix to a problem,...
You're "on it?" What is that code for? I was under the impression that Blizz basically ignores class discords.
sturdy sable
You mean blizz basically ignores its player base
jagged pier
You're "on it?" What is that code for? I was under the impression that Blizz bas...
WE CAN BELIEVE WE MAKE A DIFFERENCE OKAY
cinder nova
Oh, don't get me wrong. I was under the impression Blizzard actually began to approach class theorycrafters to ask about how a spec is.
Unsurprised to see this isn't the case.
patent osprey
Sorry im just depressed in Brew Prison
craggy pilot
people dmd me Prot warrior buff and I thought ITS TIME! Good thing ive been keep...
Plka not playing warr? 😮
jagged pier
Sorry im just depressed in Brew Prison
strong forum
some things arent always allowed to be disclosed
cinder nova
Pretty sure he's CE raider.
They probably expect him to be BrM with how immortal it is.
patent osprey
Cause MW and WW are dog shit atm in raid
strong forum
CE is a very broad term
patent osprey
We need monk buff
cinder nova
Even worse
cinder nova
I dunno, the set pieces are meh, but BrM looks like it's basically a boring immortality on prog
jagged pier
Cause MW and WW are dog shit atm in raid
dont i might be in the same boat
cinder nova
And the last thing you wanna have to look at during fight prog is tank deaths
strong forum
every tank when played right is practically immortal in a good guild
jagged pier
atm im still listed as warrior tho
strong forum
tanks dont die on prog
balmy steeple
Can someone succinctly describe all the problems with prot warrior in m+
strong forum
frequent unblockable dmg intake
cinder nova
Only tank that relies on facing for their AM
strong forum
you cant dodge or parry from behind
so every tank needs to face
thats not an issue
cinder nova
No, but a bear can turn away as it kites if it wants and be fine
sturdy sable
For some reason our survivability is tied to blizzards wishy washy attitude towards what we can and cannot block/relfect
strong forum
thats not a relevant point
mighty valley
who is turning away as they kite
cinder nova
Back hits to every other tank are more survivable than they are on warrior.
strong forum
no
sturdy sable
False
cinder nova
Yes? Flat armor increases physical DR.
cinder nova
[stares at guardian pulls]
strong forum
thats because of Incarn/UFR
cinder nova
I need something to show me that warrior can freeball as effortlessly and brainlessly as bear
Right, which does what?
sturdy sable
Thats not the point or warrior tho
strong forum
Incarn doesnt grant armor
mighty valley
i just don't think "can survive during CDs while playing extremely badly" is that relevant
strong forum
it grants you infinite thrash dmg and 4sec CD onFR
cinder nova
Don't act like this is a hard leap and I have to spell it out
sturdy sable
Back hits still cant be dodged or parried just saying
cinder nova
We both know what people use incarn for
cinder nova
And stacking IF
strong forum
and infinite absorbs from UFR
if played
the IF is irrelevant compared to UFR and FR
you have max stacks on that anyway
sturdy sable
Dude all prot warrior chat is now is the other tank stans coming in and telling us shit we are already fully aware of
strong forum
it always is when pwar isnt meta
strong forum
at taking unmitigated hits
^ in case you missed it S.
cinder nova
Warrior hasn't been "top dog" meta for a long time. Not gonna stop most of us from playing it.
sturdy sable
Do you laugh at the crippled man on the street corner?
strong forum
sometimes
tender imp
it was meta just 1 expansion ago
cinder nova
And that was... 2 years ago
lofty widget
that's like 2 years ago at this point
strong forum
and its gonna be 3 soon
sturdy sable
The first time in forever i might add
cinder nova
Don't remind me
cinder nova
So why are they buffing damage for us again? 🤔 I don't get it. It's not like we couldn't go hard ST.
strong forum
10.0
but we couldnt
we're factually behind by a good 20% in ST compared to bear monk and paladin
were
no clue how its gonna be in 9.2
cinder nova
Even with the 2/4p?
strong forum
no clue
mighty valley
we're the tank that's easiest to misplay on and were rewarded with bottom tier raid dps
strong forum
extremely hard to tell
mighty valley
might as well shore up one weakness
sturdy sable
Might be okay with our pog execute
strong forum
we're the tank that's easiest to misplay on and were rewarded with bottom tier r...
VDH and BDK will do less ST dps
100%
sturdy sable
But thatle decline as kill speeds get faster so
strong forum
VDH by far the least
mighty valley
well sure, but this is heroic week tuning
mighty valley
yes? even on other tiers this expansion they've had tuning passes on later weeks
sturdy sable
Yeah but ppl dont care about that
sturdy sable
And some of its edge ground down
cinder nova
Isn't VDH struggling to even hold aggro?
vestal moat
Why a damage buff though we need more survivabilkity and utility
id rather IP be buffed than this
strong forum
Isn't VDH struggling to even hold aggro?
no, in aoe theyre gonna be nuts
sturdy sable
No you dont
strong forum
but in ST theyre dogwater
cinder nova
Bruh IP is a meme
strong forum
Why a damage buff though we need more survivabilkity and utility
damage is the best utility you can bring.
cinder nova
The only reason it'll be more active this patch than last is because our tier gives us free IP lol
It's a rage dump
sturdy sable
I tell new pwar that ignore pain is a trap for inexperienced players
cinder nova
That's it.
mighty valley
ip is a meme because it's rage inefficient, we're about to get it for free AND have a bonkers amount of rage
with no place for it to go but overcapping or IP
sturdy sable
You literally only press it if your going to overcap rage or literally have nothing else to press and are going to get hut
cinder nova
ATB was an unapologetically gargantuan amount of rage
mighty valley
You literally only press it if your going to overcap rage or literally have noth...
correct. and we're about to do that a lot
strong forum
Unless it's ATB levels it's not
itll be like ATB
factually
1k to 1.3k rage per minute
and thats exactly ATB rage gain aswell
sturdy sable
correct. and we're about to do that a lot
Yeah im old and slow and this was directed at @vestal moat
cinder nova
Gimmie pls
sturdy sable
Fuck did he just prove himself right
cinder nova
I need some hope
sturdy sable
With MATH?!
tender imp
u have enough rage to keep up necro banner near 100% of the time
id say thats bonkers
mighty valley
banner uptime + tons more avatar from AM
cinder nova
Eh necro banner is a raid buff not an us buff
strong forum
mellow bridge
you can have it straight up 100% if you dont drop uptime
tender imp
wut
mellow bridge
at 252 gear
mighty valley
with glory it's an enormous us buff
tender imp
20% str 400 mastery
cinder nova
Still less than EM/NF
lofty widget
ofc its an us buff
tender imp
no.
lofty widget
not to mention the passive rage gain for 100 % of the fight
strong forum
Eh necro banner is a raid buff not an us buff
it is an us buff.
if you use banner for anyone else
youre doing it wrong
100%
cinder nova
Bannering your highest mastery DPS is like the whole point tho
strong forum
NL pwar will be the GOTO for once you have full tier + double leggo
strong forum
Bannering your highest mastery DPS is like the whole point tho
its wasted effort
if they get it, sure cool
mighty valley
yes, buffing dps is very good, but guess what, an enormous self buff with almost perfect uptime is even better
cinder nova
I hear necro prot is an expressway to RSI and carpal tunnel
strong forum
only if youre weak
if you get crippled from an 80apm spec
then wait till you see RTS gamers
inland wasp
as a former SC2 Zerg player 80 is nothing
mighty valley
it's tougher in m+ with a lot of movement and mechanics going on but in raid it's whatever
strong forum
necro in m+ will lose alot of value
median tulip
There's not really all that much between 3 of the covenants. Just don't be Venthyr.
strong forum
NF/Kyr will be better
cinder nova
If you think I'm going to play Necro in M+ you're crazy
strong forum
but in raid NL will destroy dmg meter
inland wasp
M+ im thinkin Kyrian
cinder nova
Kyr or NF
Both are good
Different reasons of good
Last I check Plka is an NF stan and he's an io gigachad
inland wasp
i dont feel the need for a 2nd shock wave is my thinking unless we REALLY need the stuns
strong forum
yes, as mentioned in the pins, you need 4piece and 2leggo for necro to pop off hard
strong forum
i dont feel the need for a 2nd shock wave is my thinking unless we REALLY need t...
its also massive damage
dont underestimate the dmg
strong forum
AA on 5 targets does more than spear does on 10 targets
median tulip
The only reason to cap Venthyr renown is if you want to offspec Fury
strong forum
btw
cinder nova
in M+ on high keys that can't be overstated.
jagged pier
The only reason to cap Venthyr renown is if you want to offspec Fury
no they necro too
urban portal
venth in pvp is no longer playable either
inland wasp
im not under estimating it just never cared for the fairy boys tbh lol just a personal pref one that likely wont hinder me. ive been tanking as necro the who expac so far lol
mighty valley
i have all maxed but NF, and it's close enough to kyr that I don't care
hollow hill
overwhelming power crystal pretty garbage for prot right?
hollow hill
would you rather have a 230 ilvl alchemy stone over a 229 crystal?
trying to decide between making 262 alchemy stone or 262 engineering goggles
sweet summit
it'd take stone tbh
cinder nova
Am I memeing if I try and gun for Sepulcher's Savior?
And it is more valuable with the on-use regularly than the passive damage as thorns?
strong forum
the dmg is literally 0
cinder nova
The thorns?
cinder nova
Does it not actually proc on each hit?
strong forum
last time it was tested it was like 0.1% dps
you just want the shield perma in def stance for the block value
grizzled lotus
do you need to mount during Wo Cypher skips? or just run
also seems like my UDK's pet didn't get stealthed
cinder nova
So rotating the on-use is more damage than leaving it in offense
cinder nova
That sounds lame and boring. How do I parse with something that has no secondaries reee
strong forum
well you dont
its the worst shield for parsing
the thorns do 180ish dmg
thats nothing
the every 3min dmg proc from switching mode from offense to defense mode wont outdmg stats
cinder nova
So it's a prog and/or M+ shield for the block
strong forum
at best
strong forum
i could see the defensive mode switch having some form of utility to provide an absorb for a party member in m+
but the lack of stats makes it quite meh
cinder nova
Is there really any major targeted gear this raid? 🤔 seems like just refarming the M+ trinkets and getting 4p, unity, and you're there.
Not like Daddy Danny trinket
Or the ring off sylv
strong forum
its really just farm m+ stuff
and get tier and ilvl from raid
you dont want trinkets
nothing fancy
just ilvl, tier and haste
cinder nova
Bro give me something to do this patch 💀
cinder nova
kek
deft hinge
Warrior
Protection
Damage of all abilities increased by 6%.
cinder nova
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I wont say no to damage, but there are other fixes that need doing
Like separating SR into 2 buffs
Not major, but probably good to do
proper dock
Progenitor Enhancement, the extra enhancments for the crafted gear, does anyone have numbers or thoughts on what one we should be using for tanking?>
west walrus
Like separating SR into 2 buffs
What do you mean by 2 buff ? 5 seconds to reflect something, but keep the magic DR whatever happens ?
cinder nova
Yes.
A buff that reflects and is consumed when reflections occur and one that just gives 20% magic DR
Brainlet devs can't be fucked
mighty valley
"why don't developers speak up in class discords"
lime urchin
stable cradle
did i just saw they give us a 6% boost in damage
Yaaas, does this change much? I mean it will be more fun burst dmg
steel mist
well anything helps i suppose
broken stratus
aura buff is when you know they give up changing the spec this patch
strong forum
It doesn't change much
But it has potential to do smth
Hard to tell
Cuz we'd need full raid logs with full gear
To accurately judge the situation
But also what brownclass said
It's the most bandaid of bandaids
They know smth is amiss
stable cradle
It's the most bandaid of bandaids
😫
strong forum
But cba to do anything Fancy
stable cradle
SR buff as well would be good no?
strong forum
Huh
Oh theoretically
Theres so much I could list
But im lazy so I won't
The simplest thing I've been saying for weeks is
"buff indom to 2% healing and pwar is immortal"
west walrus
That's why we are strong / good in early expansion, and feel weaker than other late expansion
cinder nova
"why don't developers speak up in class discords"
"why don't devs exist in class discords" ftfy
strong forum
That's why we are strong / good in early expansion, and feel weaker than other l...
That's a
Very
Weird statement
I'm too lazy to explain why
I'm just disagreeing heavily
west walrus
I mean, compared to other tanks
urban portal
yeah like prot warrior was so good in 9.0
strong forum
Pwar is specifically worse in early stages of expansions
Cuz we NEED ilvl
And haste to function
Moreso than other tanks
chilly brook
That's why we are strong / good in early expansion, and feel weaker than other l...
This is not how it's ever worked
Prot was stronk in 8.0 just wasn't well known
sturdy sable
Well that and gcd ip felt like ass
chilly brook
Just as stronk in 8.0 (minus being able to block ranged projectiles) as they were in 8.3
Because K value
Like literally k value keeps you from scaling at all in general in terms of % DR
For all tanks
west walrus
Every tanks need stats 🤷♀️
chilly brook
Every tanks need stats 🤷♀️
yes but your argument is just wrong
Block doesn't get worse through the expac
It stays practically the same
As does stagger
As does SOTR
urban portal
k value just makes you run on a treadmill
chilly brook
As does armor scaling
So the only thing that gets better through an expansion is mastery, haste, vers, crit and strength
west walrus
I reword, SB does not get worst, but get just get a bit better
chilly brook
?
west walrus
While a monk get a BIG upgrade on celestial brew and healing
chilly brook
???
We get more shield block uptime as the expansion goes on
You do realize this?
Also it's not that big of an upgrade on CB
Since damage goes up
And it stays pretty close in actual impact as it has the whole expac
chilly brook
While a monk get a BIG upgrade on celestial brew and healing
The absorb amount is still capped at 200% base of CB
And the only thing affecting base CB is AP scaling and vers
Exact same as IP
strong forum
Nobody scales differently than anybody else
chilly brook
Scaling is a meme
strong forum
It's just pwar gets more access to SB uptime and rage
urban portal
if something gets out of hand blizzard will nerf it to keep it similiar
look at spriest
chilly brook
Outside of things like paladin where you actually see some effects of scaling
urban portal
busted by the kneecaps in 2 patches
strong forum
Where pwar is really fucking weak without appropriate levels of haste
chilly brook
Where pwar is really fucking weak without appropriate levels of haste
But that "scaling" is basically like this
Where achieving about 20% haste as paladin and then dumping the rest into mastery/vers makes a sizeable impact
And even then
You're not some magical god because of stats
You still have to press buttons very efficiently otherwise you die
blazing condor
not reading all this im just hovering over griffs messages to see the gif
sweet summit
chilly brook
not reading all this im just hovering over griffs messages to see the gif
Now try to do it so it's synced
west walrus
Every expansion, in raid, warrior feels behind the other tanks, late expansion warrior feels worst. And you say that the warrior needs more stat to get better
urban portal
no amount of minor tuning can beat borrowed power
look at rogues in 9.1
all 3 rogues up top cuz shards+sylv dag
this tier brew runs around with double the hp of everyone else
cuz of their borrowed power
modern brook
all 3 rogues up top cuz shards+sylv dag
if other classes were just better they too could take advantage of dom sets like rouge
urban portal
tbf sub used blood
and blood does effectively the same damage on every spec
*is effectively
modern brook
sub had sylv daggers tho
so point still stands
i was just joking
cause iirc frost was like
17% of assa's output lmao
urban portal
sry im working rn
and alt tabbing to chat
but ye ive seen 20
frost is the most cringe game design
modern brook
meanwhile in an alternate universe: "protwarrior is really good im glad i can play my favorite always been class ever"
urban portal
damage based on arbitrary game design
dh would not be as good with frost if their blade dance was somehow condensed in 2 hits vs 5
chilly brook
Every expansion, in raid, warrior feels behind the other tanks, late expansion w...
uhhhh this is a simple problem with a simple answer
A lot of raids aren't just pure physical damage
Wow
Also everything is more than viable in raid
modern brook
Prot warrior is also the only tank that has its main form of damage mitigation be both proactive and non-passive
mighty valley
borrowed power should be easier to tune since you can change it without changing anything that's gonna live past this patch/expansion
modern brook
Its telling that every time people think "prot warrior is good" is when they're allowed to do things that keep them from playing the class
ie: verse corruption
chilly brook
Also how the hell are you going to tell me Prot feels the worst now in 9.2 compared to 9.0????
Haste levels are way higher, rage generation is through the roof (once you attain set bonus anyways and play necro)
modern brook
it feels roughly 6% better imo
mighty valley
that's kind of where i'm at: more warriors die because you actually have to press your active mitigation correctly. do we actually want to become more autopilot so those stats look better
modern brook
just keeps us on par with ashen hallow
cinder nova
Update the sheet
you can SR xy2.0 traps
I'm doing it on N right now and did it just to be sure and it reflected
sweet summit
wait what
west walrus
Also how the hell are you going to tell me Prot feels the worst now in 9.2 compa...
Ok, you just don't want to understand the part "compared to other tanks" I'm done now
sweet summit
link log S.
modern brook
I'm doing it on N right now and did it just to be sure and it reflected
i believe you but lionk a log for the sake of documentation
cinder nova
I'll turn on logging
sweet summit
thanks
steel mist
is he saying that you can spell reflect the traps on xymox raid ?
modern brook
yes
chilly brook
Ok, you just don't want to understand the part "compared to other tanks" I'm don...
I mean you're talking about content that it literally doesn't matter what tank you play unless you need a specific buff. Prot was the strongest tank by far in M+ in BFA and yet wasn't popular in raid for no other reason than raid design usually just makes it so that groups decide to use tanks for specific buffs over underperforming DPS.
strong forum
Lots of jam
chilly brook
Also BrM spends most of it's time getting it's face kicked in in dungeons where the damage actually matters
Trust me
It doesn't "feel" better than prot
steel mist
tell that to palbrew
cinder nova
Not sure where to find the log that shows reflect/deflect for sceenies
chilly brook
tell that to palbrew
I mean they're good
It's not that they're bad
But the damage intake you actually get sometimes is disgusting
The difference is that you just omegalul stay out of melee until you stabilize
mighty valley
not sure if i prefer the constant griping or "which legendary should i use"
chilly brook
Their damage output also scales with their damage intake
sweet summit
ty
chilly brook
not sure if i prefer the constant griping or "which legendary should i use"
Neither are ever going away
When prot starts doing disgusting damage with tier set just wait
sweet summit
LOOT AT MY SHITTY PUG WIPE
you didn't reflect anything
mighty valley
actually I guess the absolute worst outcome is becoming FOTM
sweet summit
it faded
chilly brook
Everyone will point to this 6% buff as the saving grace of the class
chilly brook
actually I guess the absolute worst outcome is becoming FOTM
Already been there done that
The 8.0-8.1 FOTM rush was hilarious
cinder nova
you didn't reflect anything
I don't know how to tell you I'm walking clean through them without them going off
I'll take a clip
blazing condor
wait we got buffed?
mighty valley
dog with a crown and wisdom
sweet summit
I'll take a clip
yea please do
cinder nova
It doesn't consume the buff
I walked through 2 traps with one SR
Uploading now
Gonna be an unlisted YT link you want it here or DM
sweet summit
whatever works for you
blazing condor
Helpful SFs 
sweet summit
have to fulfill my monthly quota or i get banned
sweet summit
yeah
mellow bridge
I walked through 2 traps with one SR
is that normal or hc
cinder nova
Do we know if they spawn under players/around them?
Because tank pull can yoink you through traps
so clearing them before that or orienting the raid to be able to ignore them seems important.
finite salmon
chilly brook
I mean honestly we're not in a terrible spot
buffs are always welcome
But prot isn't a dead spec
twilit sable
When I watched Supatease's vid on the shield slams I immediately thought of this:
https://youtu.be/iOlKrlbtt0E
worthy haven
Prot S+++++ tier now right?
scenic mural
Any prot streamers live rn?
ashen scaffold
waxen orbit
Is it more valuable to put a DH, two rogues, and a feral in windfury
Over a prot warr?
I'm pretty sure it's not
But double checking
mighty valley
probably depends on damage output, last maff i saw had us gaining ~8% while i think feral gets like...3?
waxen orbit
Havoc gets something like 1.5%
urban portal
wait
its probalby demon blades havoc
but its hard to say
im sure they get more damage
but you get survival
up to your raid
waxen orbit
Yeah I tried explaining that but :T
waxen orbit
And nah the overall damage increase for prot is more
Than it is for any variant of DH
cinder nova
Trying to explain tank DPS to chud PUGs is a waste of time.
cinder nova
Skolex hits like a truck ow
modern brook
Can you SR the damage or the knockback from the orbs in walking phasde on cute spider dog boss?
ocean yoke
all hail the 6%
frosty holly
And nah the overall damage increase for prot is more
Remember 6% stronker Prot also!
twilit sable
There was a table with the damage % gained from WFT for all melee specs. Not sure if it was here or in Arms/Fury. Argue the point that WFT gives more aa's, more devastators which in turn gives more chances for SS resets and increased rage gained that can be used on defensives or more revenges/executes.
Fuck ferals lol.
urban portal
technically
ferals get a regrowth
every time
so they actually provide util
like no kap
waxen orbit
How are y'all surviving Riftmaw on H
I'm saving shield wall/demo shout for it and hitting IP hard on it
twilit sable
Which guild would be arguing about optimising a WFT group AND have a feral over another boomkin?
2 + 2 = fish in that case
urban portal
^
waxen orbit
How are y'all surviving Riftmaw on H
Oh also
I used scale on it
Still did decent damage, just seriously helped to get through the sudden burst
ocean yoke
There was a table with the damage % gained from WFT for all melee specs. Not sur...
this is the one i believe, with the caveat on it that our tier set isnt entirely in yet
outer solstice
Is this correctly using the set bonus?
Seems weird that it's +1 dps gain from WF with set, does it scale so shit?
forest fern
doing a ring craft for prot, is any of the progenitor enhancements worth more to add to the item for raiding etc?
grim hare
Will Unstoppable Force be worth using once we get our 4pc?
outer solstice
There is one that deals flat damage
The automa core
Would try that
Or the one that gives primary stats
frosty holly
primary stat thing is a bit hard to see I've heard some say. No idea how much dmg the core does tho
grim hare
is the crafters mark recipe account wide for purchase after unlock or do i need to get honored on every crafter
scenic mural
Are the sockets active in raid?
ionic fern
Is this correctly using the set bonus?
If it's by base APL then no.
urban portal
mwahi are you going to update the APL for prot soon?
ionic fern
Yes.
blazing condor
Are the sockets active in raid?
What sockets?
twilit sable
I got lucky with the primary stat recipe enhancement oos 💪
ionic fern
Are the sockets active in raid?
If you mean Domination sockets then no.
Those are only active in:
-The Maw
-Torghast
-Korthia
lofty widget
i think he means the new sockets that you can put in the new gear, and i highly doubt theyre active in raid
west walrus
'morning everyone 
Does anyone know if we can loot a piece of tier set, from 8 first bosses, from weekly timewalking chest ?
sinful herald
I you guys opinions, how much harder is prot warrior than prot paladin
sick sentinel
Its more punishing if you mess up your rotation
jagged pier
I you guys opinions, how much harder is prot warrior than prot paladin
prot warrior is probably the hardest tank to play
so take that what u will
sick sentinel
I would actually say Warrior is harder, because you need to manage your rage properly to not overcap + still have defensives up
Prot paladin just builds holy power and spends it much more easily
However, Prot Warrior is insanely more fun, at least to me
jagged pier
well if your below the haste threshold on paladin u have to manage a little bit
sick sentinel
True, true
jagged pier
but yer warrior u have to manage alot more and all the time
sick sentinel
Still harder to manage stuff on Warrior, though...
sinful herald
Thanks so much for the answers guys
sick sentinel
Its harder but a lot more fun (for me)
jagged pier
im mean comfort as well, im very comfortable with warrior and not so with paladin
but yer paladin is easier
sick sentinel
Nothing beats charging to enemies... The sounds the class makes and those shields hitting the ground when Shield Wall is pressed
gachigasm
sinful herald
Weird question, does warrior do any magic damage?
sick sentinel
I don't think so
Maybe with covenant abilities
Dont remember if, for example, Condemn also has a Shadow damage part incorporated into it
Kyrian ability does Arcane
sweet summit
only those yea
sick sentinel
And NF is Nature
topaz field
prot warrior is probably the hardest tank to play
lmao 😄 after the introduction of devastator i cannot think of any easier tank than warrior except for bear. I almost fall asleep when playing war. You literally have no buttons to press. Apart from that its much easier to tank as a warrior since you are tankier. It always comes down to knowing the encounter and knowing what kind of dmg is coming in when. For example living on high keys as a prot warrior is much easier which does not mean that it is the better tank
topaz field
Weird question, does warrior do any magic damage?
reflect!
jagged pier
prot is literally the 2nd highest and about to be the highest APM class in the game
if u say u have no buttons to press
im sorry u are playing the class completely wrong
and thats with devastator
topaz field
ok 😄 i guess that apm is 100 % approved
rugged mural
I see that new crafted 262s can have extra effects on them. Any consensus on what the best pick is for M+? Genesis Matrix?
west walrus
APM is one of the reason I enjoy playing prot warrior
twilit sable
Pretty sure SR deals physical damage irrespective of the school of damage that was reflected. At least as far as my Details shows.
strong forum
It literally reflects the spell
Whatever the spell does, you reflect back
Details only compiles all the dmg into 1 graph
Disregarding what it actually reflected, it only counts dmg
twilit sable
Ahh sweet, props for fixing that up. It shares the same school in details breakdown, so here i am talking out my ass 😂
strong forum
Is OK
Easiest example to showcase that are the etherwyrms in soa
You reflect the entire dot application
And they kill themselves with the reflected dot
jagged pier
dont know why SR doesnt work on all dots like that tbh
twilit sable
I always thought it did the school it reflected but then checkin details i was like, did blizz change this or what?
strong forum
twilit sable
There are the elite eyeball things in Desmoteran? In the Maw that channel a dot that if you reflect pretty much causes the mob to 1 tap itself lol. Like a 95k reflect
Pretty lame that shit that you see a spell being casted at you by an NPC with nothing else to eat the SR and it's like blacklisted from being reflected.
Like cmon blizz 👎
jagged pier
topaz field
Pretty lame that shit that you see a spell being casted at you by an NPC with no...
blizzard just shit their pants after you were top dps on half of the dungeon bosses in BFA
twilit sable
Is it too much to ask for SR to reflect spells for its 5 sec duration lol. Not OP i swear, just thematic.
ionic fern
jagged pier
it did that in legion
twilit sable
Yeah I thought that it used to, but I have a Dad brain so I could have been making shit up 😂
I just want vengeance back in non rated pvp so I can murk people when theu 3v1 me again and not just be a CC bot.
The good old days 😊
Rogues look at you sideways and you are like sup bitch, i have 20k ap now SHIELD SLAM, HK 👌
trim bay
will vault next week drop max ilvl gear if we do a 15
sweet summit
yea
trim bay
oo ty.
median tulip
6% more damage? Don't mind if I do
hollow hill
I see that new crafted 262s can have extra effects on them. Any consensus on wha...
personally I went with the extra flask/food time buff, the damage from genesis matrix seemed pretty insignificant
robust rover
I see that new crafted 262s can have extra effects on them. Any consensus on wha...
Very limited testing (10 min into PF before disband). Sparks of Power (Matrix) did 4% damage. More than Serrated Spaulders, less than Devastator. Only looking at the failed boss fight Globgrob, Sparks of Power was 1%, less than Shadowcore Oil.
Just looking at trash, Sparks did 5.4%. Above Devastator, below melee
rugged mural
Ok. Thank you. That’s not bad damage for trash. Wondering if any of the healing effects are any good.
median tulip
Does the erratic Genesis Matrix build stacks faster if you have multiple copies on?
robust rover
Does the erratic Genesis Matrix build stacks faster if you have multiple copies ...
Unique equip, right?
(dunno though)
modern brook
Ok. Thank you. That’s not bad damage for trash. Wondering if any of the healing ...
As a general rule of thumb random healing procs are ass
deft hinge
just logged in. Yey my strength is the same! i remember from s1 to s2 i had lost 100 strength when i logged in
and i lost almost 70 secondary stats when swapping from human to dwarf. its that beard i tell ye
wild hemlock
dudes a freak
also the haste boss in the first area of NW did not make my run pretty
we pulled half the damn first area with him jumping lmao
strong forum
Well a 15 rn is like a 19 in s2
So yeah
And it's also tyr, so the bosses are like a 22/23 s2 fort boss
waxen orbit
Way worse than just a 23 fort
Feels more like 25 tyran
Had a 6 minute 18 second boss fight on the last boss of NW 17 last night
uncut notch
Been watching my friends stream all morning, they’re all 20-25 players and have been struggling to time 15-16s
strong forum
Damn
waxen orbit
Been watching my friends stream all morning, they’re all 20-25 players and have ...
This
strong forum
Game finally hard?
uncut notch
Some of that is discipline tho, new affixes are messy at this stage
Tormented was vf easy though, extremely controlled bursts of difficulty
This can send pull sideways very fast
waxen orbit
Game finally hard? <:okayge:917646812519739433>
I hope tbh
I really hope it remains difficult like this ngl
strong forum
You know it won't
waxen orbit
I hated how easy 20s were last season
strong forum
People love to cry for nerfs
uncut notch
I really hope it remains difficult like this ngl
Difficulty is a tricky one, punishing is fun, stat padding isn’t
strong forum
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
modern brook
Game finally hard? <:okayge:917646812519739433>
no just standard new patch gear deficit
strong forum
Rip
uncut notch
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and when...
I get this really badly on racing games, weirdly. I’ll be smashing the shit out of it then like zone back in and go woah what
modern brook
T-T its a copy pasta
strong forum
idk this version of wow is hard 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or eating mechanics and doing very little dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
waxen orbit
idk this version of m+ is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
strong forum
i hit 50 what do i do
Shushire for 302 gear
modern brook
Shushire for 302 gear
do i have to finish the campaign?
waxen orbit
I want you to know that copypasta has plagued my guild for like