protection

[hardy ridge]

D:

[outer solstice]

I do zereth mortis rares solo on weird hours as prot shrug

[muted scroll]

does it matter what slot i put the reprisal legendary on? or is one better than the other>

[waxen orbit]

[waxen orbit]

Boots so that you can get tier pieces (head, chest, shoulder, hands, and legs)

[muted scroll]

thanks so much!

[waxen orbit]

Any time!

Anyone know if I don't do a key this week, and I got a 26 out of my vault, will I 100% get a 23/22 key next week?

Or will that shit reset?

[blazing condor]

elden ring can't run on my pc

🔫

[mighty valley]

let's all make a gofundme for a dog with a crown

[mighty valley]

i'm 99% sure that it'll just drop by 3 like normal

[strong forum]

its by 5

[waxen orbit]

False

Blizz has confirmed it's by 3

[mighty valley]

i guess it'll be by 4 for you because you didn't do a key so it'll deplete like normal +3

[strong forum]

so why ask the question

[waxen orbit]

That's my question though; do I even get a key if I don't do one this week?

[strong forum]

if you know the answer?

[waxen orbit]

I don't

That's the point

[strong forum]

ah no you dont get a key

[lofty widget]

you can talk to a dude in oribos and get a key from him

[waxen orbit]

[waxen orbit]

Ty

FUCK guess I have to slug through this 26 fort Spires if I want a 23/22 next week

Happy fun

[strong forum]

unless you didnt open your vault this week

then you'd have gotten the key next week

:^)

[dawn canyon]

Whyd you want a 23 in 9.2

[waxen orbit]

To get KSH first two weeks

[strong forum]

so he can get shit on repeatedly

[dawn canyon]

Ah

Fair

[waxen orbit]

That's just M+

[dawn canyon]

And ambitious

Good luck

[waxen orbit]

Tyty

Gotta have a little bit of ambition if you're still playing prot warr amirite

[dawn canyon]

First ksh pwar speedrun

[waxen orbit]

Oh nah that'll likely be Plka or Fuego

[dawn canyon]

It wont be you wish that additude

[strong forum]

plka has better things to do i reckon

:^)

[waxen orbit]

But I'll shoot for as quick as I can

[strong forum]

cuz hes gonna be busy getting his monk as fat as possible

[median tulip]

I do ZM (& did Korthia) as Prot purely because of the dismount immunity TBH

[jagged pier]

as plkas playing brm i doubt it

[waxen orbit]

Smart of him tbh

[strong forum]

forced of him*

[waxen orbit]

We're kind of dead in the water for the competitive level

[dawn canyon]

World rank guilds amirite

[strong forum]

hes playing it cuz no other monk in raid

not for world rank

[jagged pier]

that might be me nome please no

[waxen orbit]

Just tank with a BrM offtank 4heads

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-ark-get-on-lost-ark-zyzz-lost-ark-gif-24796825

[dawn canyon]

As long as you get the gear for keys i wouldnt mind world rank

[waxen orbit]

At least BrM is thematically and aesthetically similar to prot warr

[dawn canyon]

Rjw is cool

[jagged pier]

also brings less to the raid

[dawn canyon]

Idk if u play it in raid though

[jagged pier]

and is sleeper class

[dawn canyon]

Huge dam sleeper class

[waxen orbit]

BrM has nutty dam potential tho

[strong forum]

only huge dam if you take huge dam by inting

[grim hare]

When mitigation is calculated whats the order with armor blocks and ignore pain

oh and vers

[sweet summit]

all i know is that absorbs are last

[strong forum]

armor and block always come first

then % mitigations

then absorbs

[sturdy sable]

If its survivable is it truely inting

[strong forum]

no its just me trying to cope

now shush

[craggy pilot]

is Scale gutted after the nerf?

or still worth?

got 236 that i can upgtrade to 246, wondering if i should do it before the reset

[sweet summit]

might as well, unless you've got aegis

[blazing condor]

I got aegis

[sweet summit]

[craggy pilot]

i have 226 aegis 🤔

but maybe Aegis 226 + 246 Scale? 🤔

[sweet summit]

not a fan of that combo personally

[jagged pier]

double on use

yikes

[craggy pilot]

i have 246 Phial 226 Aegis 😦

Phial nerfed

[distant crystal]

shadowgrasp 📈

tank can't drag the pack out of your totem if you're the tank

[sweet summit]

ok agility user...

[distant crystal]

totally thought that was str too lol, it's on tank loot tablle

[sweet summit]

🙅‍♂️

[distant crystal]

🐻

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

still the best trinket

which tells you just how shit the new raids trinket are

[craggy pilot]

oh because the scale outlvls Aegis again 😦

[craggy pilot]

is a S2 Scale still a good choice?

[strong forum]

well yeah

if you have a mythic aegis itll still be bis in next patch

but other than that its gonna be just scale+phial/sack

or scale + afe for a more defensive setup

[craggy pilot]

afe?

[strong forum]

anime emitter

[craggy pilot]

ah

[urban portal]

ows

[median tulip]

AFE is great

[urban portal]

[median tulip]

Bitch never dropped me an OWS

[desert solstice]

Is kyrian still the bis covenant or is it split between Necro and Kyrian?

[wispy tapir]

Check the pins they just updated every scenario today

[waxen orbit]

AFE 🤮

Decent for low keys n that stuff

Just a feelsbad when it drops at the end of a pack/when you have to move

[mighty valley]

It's good in most raid fights and hits more than it misses... mid-tier trinket tbh

[twilit sable]

Meh damn korthia shit still needing adaptive alloys past rank 4, guess im rocking green heirlooms 🤷‍♂️😂🤮

[mighty valley]

why not just go to zereth mortis?

[twilit sable]

Oh that's what im doing, but i thought id check old mate in korthia incase upgrades didn't require the adaptive alloys upgrade since i have heaps of knowledge leftover

[mighty valley]

yeah kind of pointless to go back and change that system when you can buy 226 gear from ZM dirt cheap with anima

[twilit sable]

Yeah true, ahh well was worth a shot

[raven acorn]

guys dungeon scaling started this week ? cause i was getting destroyed in 20s

[mighty valley]

don't think so but shards have turned off

[robust rover]

No shards and Fort and Sanguine. Normally it would be a non-push week even with shards.

[torn gulch]

is a 278 sepulcher saviour better than a 285 ruined crest of lordaeron? it seems in defensive mode the saviour has more block and the effects as well

[waxen orbit]

Probably a question to take to the sims

I imagine offensive mode will be good damage over the 285 but the primary stat has the potential to outweigh it

[mighty cairn]

is it time to farm pulsating stoneheart and bladedancer armor kit?

[urban portal]

if you didnt take a 252 version in vault wyd

[scenic mural]

now i dont feel so bad about my 252 stoneheart lmao

would still trade for scale

[modern light]

is kryian the best covent?

[crude notch]

No

[jagged pier]

who cares all raid trinkets suck get ready to run DoS, PF and Spires

[blazing condor]

Wait we runnin afe?

[scenic mural]

hour 5 of dom key farming

[blazing condor]

Thank

[honest plinth]

What do you think about stam trinket from taza for m+?

I know its ultra good for bdk even at 233ilvl

[jagged pier]

🤷

might be good

but its not good for us now

[blazing condor]

[jagged pier]

[modern light]

what covenent is best for us? in raid and mythic plus

[stray kestrel]

Look @ Pin

[jagged pier]

almost like its the top pin

[blazing condor]

[uncut notch]

Feels like it

something is definitely different - was finishing 20s with 4-5k DPTS and now its 6-8k with 15k spikes

[jagged pier]

nope, but u loose dom sockets which is alot

[uncut notch]

Idk if thats it, i only ever used the accretion one as couldnt get access to high enough stuff

[jagged pier]

scaling has not happened

[uncut notch]

but i guess if everyone around you loses theirs

[jagged pier]

we are not in season 3

[uncut notch]

it hurts you as well

[strong forum]

It's just placebo

Happened in bfa alot aswell

Is it fort?

[jagged pier]

ye

[strong forum]

There ya go

Placebo + fort

[strong forum]

Dogshit for us since we take 20% of the dmg that bdk does

So we lose a huge portion of why its good, dmg output

[jagged pier]

my key i did this week was fine tbh just did 1k less damage

[strong forum]

Rip

[jagged pier]

[mellow bridge]

The kyr shard on the entire group is massive, especially because its grievous this week

[mental scarab]

”Laughed in dwarf kyrian”

[strong forum]

Paladin kyrian dwarf

It doesn't get more fuck you debuffs than that

[distant crystal]

wait shards are working in keys this week? I had the unholy aura shard in for a key tuesday with 0 procs

[strong forum]

They don't

Shards are disabled everywhere but torghast and maw

[distant crystal]

ahh ok, i'd heard a lot of people saying they still worked cause it was still season 2, but i think that was hunchcraft

[strong forum]

And sod? Maybe? Idk

[distant crystal]

still works in SoD afaik

gonna be wearing that shit for sylv mount sales

[strong forum]

Gonna be wearing them all until the last few weeks of 9.2.5

[jagged pier]

they work in the maw torghast and SoD

[strong forum]

|| Cuz I ain't logging on ||

[jade tartan]

Anyone finished gauntlet 8?

[mental scarab]

Well thats true

But slowly dying from normal melee attacks with no real cd up as paladin

SB is so good for many mobs with only physical attacks 😂

[blazing condor]

[jagged pier]

getting close

[ocean parcel]

I went prot last night and did some WQs and stuff. I love it. Fury is fun but it's awesome pulling 7 or 8 mobs and just mowing them down as prot. I'm hoping to be able to get Reprisal today.

I just only have ilvl 163 wep and shield cause I had to get something off the AH

[sick sentinel]

how bad is opc+phial for prot

wanna try playing prot a bit

not planning on doing 20s+ just 15s

254 ilvl

got a 252 1h and 252 shield

[mental scarab]

Wont make or brake the key

Play good —-> key win

[sweet summit]

crit good

damage high

phial good

damage high

[sick sentinel]

loving the gameplay

fun tank

crafted reprisal

fun leggo

good design

skillcap

[ocean parcel]

Why do I feel as if I have been trolled? lol

[blazing condor]

How hard is gauntlet? Only did layer 1

Shit was mad easy ofc

But 7/8?

[jagged pier]

5 up wars its spicy

[sick sentinel]

5 is a huge jump compared to the lower onces

[jagged pier]

otherwwise its a joke

[sick sentinel]

as dps

very hard

cant survive

as prot not hard

just takes a shit ton of time

[jagged pier]

u need a certain few powers to get going in 6 and up i would say im doing 7 right now

taken a longtime to get a good combo of mobs

and powers

[sick sentinel]

yeah im not pushing higher than 6 as rerolling animas for 30 mins isnt fun for me

i will just wait

for higher ilvl

[stray kestrel]

is there a timer for those elite monsters or is this random?

[jagged pier]

some seem to be hp base on the previous waves otehr seems to be timer but i dont really pay much attention

its the area denial that gets me most of the time

[sick sentinel]

its the guy spamming

soul of vitality or something

such a cringe mob

u cant reflect it

[mellow bridge]

yea that guy is really hard

think it's steal vitality

it heals him too so it takes soo fkin long

[sick sentinel]

ye that makes 50x more sense

than soul of vitality lol

[blazing condor]

Just strafe

[sick sentinel]

cringe mob

[jagged pier]

cant strafe when theres a small bug his pool takes up the rest of the space where u kill him

[stray gazelle]

Is prot warrior really worst out of all the tanks like we seem to do crazy damage in m+ compared to vdh and bdk

[frigid spire]

i just cant live for anything in 18+

[jagged pier]

then your playing wrong most likely

[frigid spire]

?.?

any any tips or thoguth why i kept geting Trucked

[strong forum]

"worst"

[jagged pier]

only if u have logs or a vod

can tell what your doing wrong

[strong forum]

its perfectly good for all levels of content until the very highest of keys

[frigid spire]

y'all think the Prot Warrior will be worth having in mythic Raiding?

[strong forum]

its the only tank that brings a raid defensive CD

[frigid spire]

so not the AmZ from dks?

[strong forum]

i dont count that as a revelant CD

as it hits only 8 targets

and absorbs like 100k total

[frigid spire]

so what comp of tanks would u bring to C.E?

[strong forum]

whatever my players are most comfortable on

[frigid spire]

not very helpful there

[strong forum]

but i am

[jagged pier]

well he means u can bring what ever your tanks want to play

there is no best comp

[strong forum]

tank is literally the least important choice

[jagged pier]

its doesnt matter

at all

[strong forum]

or class on anyone really

the only thing that matters is having a good player

[sick sentinel]

only at specific bosses u want a specific tank to make it less of a pain

eg dk on soulrender

[kindred kraken]

should i delay avatar/spear of bastion/ravager to sync them up with each other? and if yes, how long should i wait before its not really worth it anymore?

[strong forum]

no dont delay anything

they align naturally

[kindred kraken]

so just use all on cd?

[strong forum]

yea

[kindred kraken]

alright

[strong forum]

unless its ofc only like 5sec

then you hold spear for avatar

or avatar for spear by a few sec

but not longer

[ocean parcel]

While playing prot, should I cry because it's not meta or should I just enjoy the class and have fun?

[strong forum]

always cry!

because games arent meant to be fun!

[ocean parcel]

True true. You are very wise.

Welp, time to uninstall.

[kindred kraken]

tier set should help a lot though right?

maybe not prot pala level but its gonna be a lot better

[strong forum]

tier set is precisely why we fall more behind in m+

but it does make us better in the raid tho

its not that we're weak

its that the other tanks just get alot more beef from their tierset than we do

we get a nice filet, but they get the 1kg steak

[sick sentinel]

idk i feel like the problem with prot warrior is no self sustain

purely a mitigation tank

[strong forum]

self sustain is just a fancy word for mitigation

the issue is self sustain works against dots and magic, armor and block doesnt

[sick sentinel]

ye but once u take dmg

u took dmg

no way to get it back

[strong forum]

yeah but other tanks also take dmg

and they cant heal everything

back up

thats how theyre designed

we drop to 90% they drop to 70% but heal back up to 90%

same outcome

[sick sentinel]

if its physical

yes

[strong forum]

^

^

^

^

[sick sentinel]

if its magic we can reflect it and spam ignore pain

ye thats what im saying

self sustain works for all dmg prot warr mitigation doesnt

[strong forum]

aslong as the dmg income isnt very frequent we have very good ways to deal with it

demo shout, IP, SR SW

once stuff becomes frequent, thats where issues arise

[distant crystal]

Shiny Shield -
Your block chance is increased by 15%, you are able to block spells, and your successful blocks deal (9.828% of Attack power) Holy Physical damage to your attacker.

hire me blizz

[strong forum]

[blazing condor]

Okay ge

[kindred kraken]

for m+ specifially, how much is the difference between booming voice and dragon roar?

[sweet summit]

you run bsc

[strong forum]

dragon roar is a massive dps loss

BSC is generally the go-to talent in m+

with tierset BV could become more valuable tho

[kindred kraken]

i completely forgot about bsc

that makes sense

thanks

anything majorly wrong with my talents for m+?

[waxen orbit]

Nah I’d just recommend bounding stride

[strong forum]

i also prefer bounding stride

[waxen orbit]

Personal preference

[strong forum]

^

[kindred kraken]

alright

never surrender looks pretty decent on paper but indomitable is in the same tier and our only kind-of self sustain

[strong forum]

NS is dead talent

[kindred kraken]

how come? blocking 40-100% more damage seems pretty good

[strong forum]

its not blocking 40-100% more dmg

its increasing a mediocre absorb shield by 40-100%

when the heal from indom alone is worth 70-120% of IP

not to mention the 10% HP gain ontop of that

[kindred kraken]

thats a fair point

[strong forum]

ONTOP of the doubled rage gain we will have with double legendary + 4p tierset

further increasing the value of Indom

[sick sentinel]

a good rule of thumb is: Ignore Pain is kinda trash

so if it involves playing around it, talent is bound to be trash as well

ok so this is my highest ilvl stats i have very little to no vers gear besides pvp

252 rn

should i sacrifice ilvl and mainstat for more vers

i have pvp rings and nec

k

note that my pvp is 236 ilvl

not a pvper

so at 246

these are my stats

way more vers

btw i can replace my nine ring with

but then i feel like my haste is way too low

[strong forum]

vers doesnt matter for shit

dont sac ilvl for vers

[sick sentinel]

thanks for clearing it up for me so i just run highest ilvl

[strong forum]

dont sac ilvl for anything for that matter

only on rings you can say okay drop ~10ilvl for haste rings

[sick sentinel]

i got the nine ring and false accuser

heavy haste master

and heavy mastery haste

[runic sparrow]

you just want crit and haste for optimal execute damage

[mellow bridge]

Rerolling starter powers in torghast is so boring 😴

but I dont see myself doing 7/8 without good start powers

[waxen orbit]

Yea never

You want strength as high as possible

Mastery is dogwater

Haste/crit and crit/vers are my go-to builds

[kindred kraken]

So always crit and then its whatever happens to be on your gear as long as its not too much mastery

Or is it like haste for raids and vers for m+?

[ionic fern]

Haste/Vers is generally considered a good middle-ground.
Haste/Crit is solid for damage purpose.

[errant oriole]

so crit/vers is good dmg reduction as far as secondary stats go?

[strong forum]

crit vers is for pure single target dmg if not necrolord

[errant oriole]

oh

im doing haste vers atm now

[mellow bridge]

haste vers is the common all around choice

good defensive good offensive

[median tulip]

Mastery is by no means a bad stat

[errant oriole]

so if i went more vers then haste better defense?

[median tulip]

Versatility will not save you

It's a mistake to over-focus on any secondary to the exclusion of all others

[errant oriole]

I get that was just curious thats all

[mellow bridge]

Haste is more important than vers

[glacial swift]

What's the verdict on prot warrior in comparison to other tanks for 9.2 raid/m+ ?

[dawn canyon]

Not as good

But good enough for all content

[jagged pier]

it will be perfectly fine in raid actually better middle of the pack

m+ its also fine until u are at the very very very high end of keys

[kindred kraken]

very very high end = 25+?

or are you talking even higher?

[lofty widget]

whatever the highest keys at the time is

[jagged pier]

25 isnt the highest keys at all

[kindred kraken]

so in season 2 around 30?

[jagged pier]

ppl were doing like 29-30s

thats where its not the best

[kindred kraken]

so for the vast majority of players, its perfectly fine

[jagged pier]

yes

which ppl dont seem to understand

[kindred kraken]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jagged pier]

when they see a tier list

[kindred kraken]

yeah everything is perfectly playable for most people who stagnate somewhere between 10 and 15 keys

i think thats about average

[jagged pier]

most ppl dont even step into a key

[kindred kraken]

considering ksm is ~top 15%

but keys are so much fun

why wouldnt you

unlesss its necrotic/sanguine

but they are getting rid of that combo

[strong forum]

idk i found that necro sanguine literally is the best combo for necro

like

when mobs are about to die you kite out, thus reducing your chance of necrotic stacks

[craggy pilot]

any of the Seppy C trinkets any worth for Prot? 🤔

[kindred kraken]

what do you even do in this game if youre not doing keys?

[strong forum]

i dont see why the combo would be worse?

[strong forum]

you dont

[sweet summit]

no good trinkets 🙂

[strong forum]

you just dont play

[glacial swift]

Ok thanks for the feedback. Was hoping for that answer. Only doing 20's with my group and it's more than enough for me. Not great to see prot warrior ranked so poorly but nevertheless it's just a great iconic class.

[kindred kraken]

to me its just very fun seeing both my gear and skill improve

[dawn canyon]

For context cutting edge keys are up to 31

Highest pwar did was 29 NW

[kindred kraken]

like on my shammy in season 2 i went from 6k average dps in 15 keys to 10k average dps in 15 keys around the same ilvl

thats fun to see

[dawn canyon]

Pwar can do 10k in 15s

[kindred kraken]

can is the key word here

most people probably dont even come close to that

[dawn canyon]

Yea but that's always the case

[glacial swift]

I'm happy to stick to prot war. Dont want to be one of them candy crush warriors that turn their back on the class as soon as it's "not meta"

[dawn canyon]

For all classes

[kindred kraken]

ye

like yea ww monk does stupid damage if the player pilots the character really well

but a couple mistakes and your damage halves

prot warrior is probably the most fun tank for me so far

and thats why i play it

[glacial swift]

good man

[kindred kraken]

druids are too simple of a damage rotation for me, dks can go to hell with their yoyo health and ive never really vibed with paladins in general

[glacial swift]

god it's like the words in my brain are here on the screen..

tried paladin. really dislike standing in consecration for it to be "strong"

[kindred kraken]

oh right monks exist i guess

and demon hunter also has a yoyo-ass health bar

[errant oriole]

dumb question though why exactly are prot paladins so strong anyway?

[kindred kraken]

big damage, low damage intake and the ability to heal up a lot of the damage you do take

[errant oriole]

interesting

[glacial swift]

lol

[waxen orbit]

This plus healing other people and a boatload of utility

[glacial swift]

the combination of the new tier 4 set makes them "good"

[waxen orbit]

BoP, BoF, sac, WoG offheals (as mentioned), and fucking countless interrupts from DR toll

[kindred kraken]

oh right why does that shield interrupt? thats actually stupid

[waxen orbit]

They were already busted before their tier set. They're going to be p much the primary tank we see in top M+ registers now

[kindred kraken]

they already were

guess shadowlands is the expansion for prot paladins

[waxen orbit]

Yea

S1 wasn't too hot but it was still good

S2/S3 are just open season for prot pal IO

[kindred kraken]

just like warriors were pretty busted in bfa

[waxen orbit]

It's even worse than how warriors were in BFA

[kindred kraken]

at least from my experiences

warriors just thunderclapping all over the dungeons was a sight to see

[errant oriole]

i miss clap spam 😦

😛

[strong forum]

You don't miss clap spam, you miss the dmg associated with it

[jagged pier]

☝️

[kindred kraken]

clap spam feels good because its aoe damage, its a pain trying to line up revenge constantly

[dawn canyon]

Clapspam just looked funny

[jagged pier]

well not really because all enemies should be in revenge otherwise u arent blocking the hits from them

[dawn canyon]

Revenj is cool too

Especially with reprisal

[strong forum]

Current playstyle is better

Now give the same numbers and we gucchi

The only thing missing from bfa at this point is the very high dmg output other than that it's pretty much the same tank

The thing fucking us over compared to bfa is the dungeon design

[dawn canyon]

Prot pal dam ples Mr blozzart

[strong forum]

Well our dmg is actually the same

To prot pal

It's just that we aren't dealing 20% more dmg than every other tank by default

We're only even

[kindred kraken]

yeah so give damage buff please

[strong forum]

In 9.2 things might shake up a bit more

[dawn canyon]

What do you think is the pinnacle of prot warrior dungeon

[strong forum]

But the thing propelling pally forward is just their offheal potential and their flat dmg reduction from mastery

[lofty widget]

heroic week dmg tuning?

[strong forum]

WCM

WCM was easily the pinnacle for pwar

Cuz SR abuse and immortal against tree boss

[dawn canyon]

Also wcm very cool music

[strong forum]

And big ass pulls

[dawn canyon]

Honestly one of my favorite bfa dungs once i figured out the pathing

[strong forum]

Albeit the witch wing was exceedingly scary cuz of its high magic dmg

Obv FH was every tanks favourite

Cuz 0 magic dmg

[dawn canyon]

Adora

[strong forum]

But when it comes to pwar specifically its WCM cuz SR

Eudora*

But that was cuz of group difficulty, not tank

[dawn canyon]

Ye right

Adora is bloons

[strong forum]

FH was difficult because of the many 1shots of your dps players

[dawn canyon]

Pulling stuff on harlan sweetie was really neato

With the cannon blasts

[strong forum]

It's always fun to pull trash ontop of bosses

Almost like pure ST is boring in wow?

And weird how almost all SL dungeons are designed in a way to prevent you from pulling ontop of bosses

Because of either extremely dangerous packs or just physically not feasible

:)

[dawn canyon]

I love stuff like SD gaundlet

I love forced slow areas

I love soa flying

[strong forum]

:nodders:

[dawn canyon]

That's all so fun

[strong forum]

Really adds to your immersion

[dawn canyon]

15€ a month to wait

[strong forum]

Just like a major patch release

But it's only 2hrs of Story each week

And a few World quests

🤔

[dawn canyon]

Tbf ZM isnt bad

[strong forum]

I think it's bad practice

[dawn canyon]

Not having a large ass list of things to do is pretty relieving

[strong forum]

To stagger release content

And spread it out over 1 month

[dawn canyon]

Full Story week 1 raid week 2?

[strong forum]

Everything week1

[dawn canyon]

And then the preweek end s2?

[strong forum]

Unlock raid after you finish story

Boom

Done

Uncap m+ after you finished heroic raid

Boom

Incentive given

Here you go enjoy your game to your hearts content

[dawn canyon]

Or a week after raid Release if you dont raid

[strong forum]

Then you lose the incentive to raid

Why raid when I can wait

That's the whole problem with wow in a nutshell

Why do X when I can just do it later and easier

[dawn canyon]

Some dont like being forced to do X idk

It's just messed up and we cant really fix it

[strong forum]

Then they shouldn't play a game that requires you to play

[dawn canyon]

With the pillars of gameplay raid m+ and pvp bring seperate

If it was just pve and pvp divided itd be easier

[strong forum]

Pvp should be it's own thing yes

Pve shouldn't have any influence on pvp

And vice versa

[dawn canyon]

Agreed

S1 fire mage bis in pvp involved mythic slg cloak and that shouldnt be a thing

[kindred kraken]

if i were to be forced to complete a heroic raid to unlock max reward from m+ i would just buy a leech and call it a day

my guild is very casual and we will probably only curve by the end of the patch

now if it were to clear a normal raid to unlock the like last 2 levels of gear that would be fine with me

[strong forum]

Any kind of progression that isn't just "yeah get farther in the raid and pray on your once a week chance on loot"

[kindred kraken]

how good or bad is the fueled by violence conduit?

[lofty widget]

4th/5th of the endurance conduits not worth using

[strong forum]

Equal to 2% leech

So take that as you will

[kindred kraken]

hmm 2% is not a lot

[strong forum]

Welcome to the abandoned conduit system

Enjoy your stay

[kindred kraken]

yeah i know how painful it is

[strong forum]

Where nothing matters

[kindred kraken]

ele shaman has 2 mediocre potency conduits and the rest is bad

[dawn canyon]

Dk conduits

[kindred kraken]

mostly because almost all of ele shamans potency conduits are rng based

[dawn canyon]

Are the saddest thing

[kindred kraken]

unholy conduits are pretty decent

[dawn canyon]

Since buff yea

The apoc one was so funny

Too much cdr that if u used it on CD is costs you damage

Although you gain a cast

Cuz it alligns badly

[kindred kraken]

yeah unholy dk was my raid character in 9.1

i know the pain

[dawn canyon]

Im doin raid on it 9.2

Only dk in the guild Moment

Might try BDK tbh

[kindred kraken]

the tier set seems good enough

[dawn canyon]

Seems really interesting

[strong forum]

DKs in 2022

[kindred kraken]

but its sad unholy dk only gains a tier set in execute phase

[strong forum]

[kindred kraken]

but the damage unholy dk will output in execute phase is probably the best in melee dps

they get like 3 extra army of the dead before its back up

assuming the survival set gets fixed of course

[dawn canyon]

Honestly very happy with how good Grips are on andy

So at least that's a deep mythic one ill get brought on

Since im still on trial

[kindred kraken]

`gotta love catch up gear

almost freshly dinged character gets to be 226 ilvl

[sweet summit]

[minor helm]

[waxen orbit]

...Did they remove the 278 conduit thing?

The one where we'd need CE/full KSH/2400 CR to get?

I'm not seeing it at the quartermaster

[strong forum]

its moved to a different vendor

somewhere in oribos iirc

[sweet summit]

covenant vendor

[waxen orbit]

Yep

Fuck

Okay looks like I still have to commit to my tryhard plan

[strong forum]

almost saw the light at the end of the tunnel huh?

dont you still need exalted tho?

[lofty widget]

need KSH/elite/CE and chapter 7 of the story completed

[strong forum]

ah

so not possible before RWF?

[lofty widget]

nope, week 5 at the earliest

[strong forum]

good

[waxen orbit]

I really did mang

Felt so hopeful

feelsbadman

[strong forum]

no need to rush tho

since you have like 5 weeks anyway

might aswell get there naturally

[waxen orbit]

True but I think my team wants to push first 2 weeks

Don't wanna fall behind too hard

IRL first tho, can't prioritize epeen

[balmy narwhal]

If I decide to go Necrolord in Raid, which melee class should I be close to for banter?

[strong forum]

nobody

you only use banner for yourself

[balmy narwhal]

oh ok, cuz the wowhead guide says banner is not worth it if your teammates are not playing optimally using extra mastery....

But I thought the 100% uptime would have been worth it

[strong forum]

necrolord will be the play

once you have 4set + 2 leggo

then itll be the best cov for raiding with a significant margin

[waxen orbit]

I mean personally I’m gonna motivate my ferals to be standing on my ass whenever possible

But don’t prioritize it yourself

If they get it, they get it

If they don’t, they don’t

[balmy narwhal]

Is there a range?

for banner I mean

[waxen orbit]

Yeah it’s closest person in a radial LOS

The yard range isn’t specified but it’s far enough to cover most of a raid fight room

[kindred kraken]

what slot will reprisal use when we get double lego? feet?

with tier set

[dawn canyon]

per "my" analysis

[kindred kraken]

i should check pins occasionally

[dawn canyon]

yea haha

fury channel is melting down cuz of a read pins discussion

🍿

[kindred kraken]

lmao

[sweet summit]

hate it

so much

but i will contain my anger

for now

[kindred kraken]

hmm i hope the upper reaches unlocks next reset, otherwise im playing without lego for a week and a half

[sweet summit]

you can do twisting corridors

for reprisal

[kindred kraken]

really?

[sweet summit]

yeah just reset until first floor is upper reaches

on layer 3 or higher

and boss will drop it

[kindred kraken]

neat

i will do that

gonna just make a 225 lego, i aint spending 60k for a lego i can use for about 2 weeks

[sweet summit]

ya just craft the cheapest one right now

[kindred kraken]

its like 50 gold for a 190 lol

[dawn canyon]

the effect stays the same

[kindred kraken]

1k for a 225 is reasonable enough

yeah but stats are important too

[sweet summit]

lmao

[dawn canyon]

thats very good yea

the missives will cost more than the item

KEKW

[kindred kraken]

oh right i forgot the missives

[dawn canyon]

haste vers is good

[kindred kraken]

it seems ive never done twisting corridors before and need to start on layer one

damnit

[strong forum]

pin this

[sweet summit]

o

that's rough

good luck doing 36 floors

[dawn canyon]

id just wait

[sweet summit]

same

[kindred kraken]

do i really need to do all 36 to unlock the next difficulty?

[sweet summit]

you need to do 18 floors to get to unlock the next layer

since the powers don't drop from layer 1 or 2

unless that has changed

[dawn canyon]

however if you torture yourself to layer 8

you get a mount

[sweet summit]

(not worth)

(trust me)

[kindred kraken]

im just gonna go for layer 3 to unlock the lego

[sweet summit]

that's some dedication

i respect it

[kindred kraken]

18 floors to try to not go insane

[sturdy sable]

id legit just wait lol

[sweet summit]

same

[strong forum]

go be a speedy boi

the record to beat is 6hrs for 8 layers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/770378914027405332.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[kindred kraken]

am at floor 6 now

[sick sentinel]

unlucky

fury gear

shouldnt hinder me much since i dont plan on doing 20+

before 25s nothing matters

just skill

[strong forum]

mastery is still usable

more critblocks

[sick sentinel]

[blazing condor]

[sick sentinel]

bdk and prot warr most fun tank specs

ngl

druid is just

[kindred kraken]

gl almost dying 20 times on every pack as bdk

[sick sentinel]

thats why its a giga fun spec

have a 250 bdk too much fun honestly

[kindred kraken]

its why i absolutely hate it

[sick sentinel]

nah u dont die

[kindred kraken]

i like my health safe and high

[sick sentinel]

just get crimson rune weapon

and its chill

[kindred kraken]

i dont like dropping to 10% health every 3 seconds

[sick sentinel]

u get 5 bone shield stacks when u pop

marrowrend

8 stacks

u chilling

keep enough power for death strike

press when u drop low

high apm

very fun spec

unlike the other 2 dks which are very garbage bdk is good

[kindred kraken]

doesnt bdk do like the lowest damage out of all tanks?

[sick sentinel]

way below every single other tank

in pugs its a problem

nobody watis for bdk to set up

so they draw aggro

annoying as fuck

but who pugs anymore

do keys with ur guild

ez

just call pulls

dont dps till i get everything up

[kindred kraken]

casual guild problems, nobody does keys any higher than 10 outside of a select few

[sick sentinel]

time to change guilds i guess

[kindred kraken]

but i like these people

[sick sentinel]

unluck

i guess remain a social but raid with other guild

[kindred kraken]

so its pugging for me most of the time

[sick sentinel]

unluck

bdk in pugs is cringe asf

healer gets confused whenever u full heal

they dont know how bdk works

neither do they know how prot warr works

oh he will heal

??????

no he fucking wont

heal me

[elfin atlas]

exactly

[kindred kraken]

sometimes people call me paper because i cant heal myself

but like

my damage intake is pretty low

youre just spoiled by the other prot

[next copper]

Healers expecting tanks to do their job. Lol

[teal swift]

Only on single target

[sick sentinel]

true in 9.2 they will be cracked at aoe like genuinely wont do 3k dps xd

not really 3k but u know what i am talking about

[strong forum]

VDH is going to do the least ST dmg in 9.2

[stable cradle]

I like tanking as prot warr with the repraisal legendary

[sick sentinel]

yeah vdh is gutted no?

[teal swift]

I pull like 8k overall on my bdk

[kindred kraken]

but isnt vdh gonna be bonkers on aoe?

[teal swift]

In keys

[sick sentinel]

reprisal honestly best designed leggo ive seen

[teal swift]

Like I'm 9.1.5

[sick sentinel]

such a good leggo

[strong forum]

VDH is gonna need over 6 targets to pop off

[sick sentinel]

like genuinelly someone with a brain came up with reprisal

[strong forum]

if VDH is fighting 5 or less theyre gonna suffer

[sick sentinel]

fuck dh

[teal swift]

Idk what kinda bdks you have

I do far more than 3k st

[kindred kraken]

so do what vdh does best, pull 3 things together, deal a bunch of damage and kite until your cds are back

[stable cradle]

Intercepting and leaping and charging around it's fun

[sick sentinel]

.

[sick sentinel]

ye

[sick sentinel]

not saying that bdk does nothing its just that other tanks do more dps but bdk is the tank with highest survivability

u literally never die

u dont need a healer

[sick sentinel]

unless u run low on power but thats ur problem

[teal swift]

I do pretty decent damage

[stable cradle]

I tanked KT as prot, charging between the adds building stacks was fun

[strong forum]

its still the lowest of all tanks

[kindred kraken]

thats more damage than most of the dps in my guild kekw

[sick sentinel]

im just saying its lowest

of all tanks

[waxen orbit]

That's just being a bad bdk

[sick sentinel]

crw best leggo

superstrain in raid

is nuts

[teal swift]

XD bring the player not the class

[sick sentinel]

https://youtu.be/t_IZtExoWWo

he is giving me motivation to keep on

[strong forum]

friend of mine did 20s on his NF BDK without a legendary

fresh BDK

240ish ilvl

[sick sentinel]

ye bdk is cracked

[strong forum]

his goal was "i wont craft a legendary until i time a 20"

[sick sentinel]

gigachad

dont need a leggo

[strong forum]

masochism

[sick sentinel]

ye crw is an amazing leggo for m+

u dont actually get oneshot on pull

[strong forum]

id have crafted superstrain

[sick sentinel]

thats for raid

[strong forum]

thats for m+

[sick sentinel]

ss?

[strong forum]

yes

[sick sentinel]

u go crw u get rune weapon on every pack

• 5 stacks

of bone shield

[strong forum]

sure but you lack damage

as bdk

and superstrain is more dmg and more runic power

[sick sentinel]

ur goal is to survive not outdps ur dps

[strong forum]

ergo better

[waxen orbit]

That's why you just bring a rsham

They just pull your weight

In DPS

[sick sentinel]

u just bring 3 dps with brains

[waxen orbit]

Barely even need to heal you as BDK

[sick sentinel]

he doesnt need to heal u

if u play good

properly

[strong forum]

who cares

[sick sentinel]

a guy did a 20 solo as bdk

[strong forum]

if you end dungeon with fucking 3k dps

[sick sentinel]

sanguine it was i thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kNzjB5LIpY

[strong forum]

DKs soloing keys is nothing new

[sick sentinel]

ik

its just a testament to how self sustainable the spec is

u dont need a healer

[strong forum]

then why is superstrain the more popular legendary

with higher keys done

[sick sentinel]

cause u have a healer who understands how bdks work

most healers will heal u while u are at 120 runic power

[strong forum]

cuz its more dmg and more runic power

[sick sentinel]

i can guarantee

99% of healers

have no idea when to heal a bdk

[strong forum]

i dont pug so thats not an issue

[sick sentinel]

oh shit he is running low on hp lemme heal him

like no u wont heal me cause im gonna heal myself

and then theyre like ok dont need to heal me

[kindred kraken]

ive been yelled at so many times as a healer to look at the rp bar, not the health bar

[sick sentinel]

yes

[kindred kraken]

when rp is low is when you want to heal

[sick sentinel]

yes

thats when u heal a bdk

[waxen orbit]

I mean lots of healers just don't know how to heal period

[kindred kraken]

but healing is not for me

[sick sentinel]

let alone heal bdk

[waxen orbit]

Part of why bear and prot pal are most popular with pugs at 2.5k-2.7k bracket

[kindred kraken]

to be fair, lots of dps players also dont know how to dps, making the healers job a lot harder

[sick sentinel]

idk r1 bdk in keys

goes crw

[kindred kraken]

missing that one interrupt causing the party to take 10k each

oh boy

there goes 20% of the healers mana

[sick sentinel]

looking at m+ logs top bdks mostly go crw

[strong forum]

i only checked subcreation

dont really care in the end

since ill never play that boring ass tank

[sick sentinel]

idk how is bdk boring

seeing ur hp bounce

[strong forum]

low apm

[sick sentinel]

is very cool

[strong forum]

0 dmg

hp bouncing very bad

[sick sentinel]

its fun idk why

[strong forum]

if my HP moves

its wrong

simple as

[sick sentinel]

prot warr and bdk are the tanks i will only play all the other ones are cringe

[modern brook]

Speaking of hows gunlancer

[strong forum]

so good that i have 2

[modern brook]

I played 6 levels of berzerker

[kindred kraken]

if you play a tank and have no mitigation, but heals instead, youre not playing a tank, youre playing a healer that can only heal 1 person

[modern brook]

Got confused bow ppl say it isn't Diablo

[strong forum]

its diablo + wow + monster hunter

[modern brook]

On a personal note I haaaate that it's left click move

[strong forum]

you can choose that

you idiot

[modern brook]

I went to the settings and they were locked

[strong forum]

literally one of the firs things you do

when creating a character

[modern brook]

Kek

[strong forum]

is choose left click to move or rightclick to move

[modern brook]

I just made a hot boy and hammered through everything

BRB making new char

[strong forum]

its part of the tutorial

or some shit

but i think only once per account

[sick sentinel]

[modern brook]

Tutorial smh

[blazing condor]

But why??

Like whats the point

[strong forum]

no clue

[sweet summit]

surely you can change later or

[mellow bridge]

You can change it in settings any time you want lmao

There's a setting called attack with left click or smth like that

Need to uncheck that box

[craggy pilot]

https://old.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/t1mi9v/soulletting_ruby_nerfed_two_other_dungeon_tank/

Bladedancers Armor Kit and
Pulsating Stoneheart 🤔

will they still be shit?

[mellow bridge]

Yes

Very much so

[craggy pilot]

seems like quite low buffs 😄

[mellow bridge]

It's cool they're looking at those trinkets

But the changes just dont do anything

[devout heron]

hey how did you got trinkets

[craggy pilot]

you can buy it in Haven for 500 anima

[devout heron]

really? goddamn

noice

[craggy pilot]

you just need to do 1 quest first, then he sells it 🙂

[devout heron]

which npc?

[kindred kraken]

Dont even need to do the quest

As soon as you walk into town from oribos its the first guy on the right

[devout heron]

yeah

[kindred kraken]

He has a side quest but that one is optional

[devout heron]

i didnt need to do quests

bro like this patch is jsut muah

dont know why they take make the patch good halfway into it

[kindred kraken]

I dinged 60 and one hour later im already ilvl 230 from spending anima and doing the patterns quest

[devout heron]

yeah

crazy as fuck

[kindred kraken]

I like the catchup gear

But remember that the catchup gear is only 226 while the max gear in 9.2 is like 280 something

The gear is just to get started

[craggy pilot]

Hmm pretty sure i couldn't do it before i did the quest, but might be wrong

[urban portal]

226 is enough to walk into normal

which is fine by me

[devout heron]

yep

its enough to farm m10s and get carried in m15s too

[strong forum]

absolute garbage

they need to be buffed by over 500%

to compete with scale

25% buff is nowhere near enough

[nova rover]

Question guys have you been struggling with threat in keys? 15+ and up

[strong forum]

pwar is one of the tanks that struggles the least with threat

so youre defo making mistakes

[nova rover]

Yea I hadnt struggled till like 2-3 weeks ago

I charge in use revenge (have the lego) tclap and um forget the spin thing (sorry memory on names is dumb)

[teal swift]

Honestly only danger time is the first 6s to lose threat on most tanks, and Prot warriors have very fast ramp time so it shouldn't be an issue,

And then there's bdk 😢

[teal swift]

Ravager

I use ravager > charge > tclap > revenge spam

[plush tendon]

you can throw Ravager before charge

[teal swift]

Throw in an intervene to extend reprisal and then if it's a thicc pack use shield block

[frosty holly]

I feel the tanks i have the best control of aggro on are Prot war and Prot pala. After that DH > Druid ( if CDs druid ofc beats DH) > DK. Don't have a monk at 60.

[nova rover]

Ravager thank you

Its just been with a DH suddenly spiking

[waxen orbit]

You can toss ravager mid charge or before charge. Do that. Then revenge whenever possible and avatar off CD unless shit is about to die in 15 seconds

https://tenor.com/view/there-is-a-zip-bomb-in-your-mailbox-zip-bomb-pipe-bomb-there-is-a-pipe-bomb-in-your-mailbox-gif-22623061

[modern brook]

It's not it's literally a check box in the settings

Now the only problem with the game is the 300ms lag

[pseudo robin]

do we have updated banner sims?

[sweet summit]

not yet

but it's gonna be the same specs as last tier basically

[modern brook]

turns out mastery is still dog shit on everyone its not good on

also hi erga :^)

[thorn torrent]

how is prot war in 9.2

[stray kestrel]

Prot is bottom of the pack in m+ and Raid in tier lists but u can do all content with no problems! Just keys above 23 can get tricky. Tier set is fine and makes fun but hurts your wrists :D

[jagged pier]

Thats wrong its actually mid teir for raid, better than VDH and monk, and its going to be tricky in 29s up not 23s

Kyrian until teir set and double leggos then necro

[strong forum]

Guess I was blind