protection

[modern brook]

Cause like you can just like. Rout sround the cd naturally and also have omega haste with it

[west walrus]

Which makes the whole affix boring 🤣

[modern brook]

Yah seasonal affixed are boring

[tawdry dirge]

mhmm sounds pretty boring

[jagged pier]

affixes are boring

[modern brook]

In fact video games are boring

[west walrus]

Prepare your auto marker 👀

[tawdry dirge]

well aawekening was pretty cool tbh

[modern brook]

Anything is boring if you're reductive about it enough tbj

[distant crystal]

to be johnest

[west walrus]

The best

[tawdry dirge]

aye

[modern brook]

Awakening was boring ur crazy

[west walrus]

I think the affix would be better if there had been one relic on given packs, instead of all of them 1 pack out of 3

[tawdry dirge]

yeah

agree

so u kinda NEED to work with what u get

and do it rotational each week

[west walrus]

More creativity, less danger in PuG

[craggy pilot]

the M+ Affix seems boring as fk

you will just kill the haste one 90% of the time

[distant crystal]

what do they all do again

[chilly brook]

CD reduction

Big haste

And shroud with speed boost

Hmmm

You can chain them together as well

[pulsar wedge]

the stealth option seems pretty nice for certain dungeons

[chilly brook]

I wonder if anyone would potentially chain the CDR into boss with the haste boi for giga burn

[pulsar wedge]

I see that happening alot

[grim hare]

whats available next week aside from new zone and campaigns, is there any ilvl changes to dungeons?

[chilly brook]

no next week is season 2 post season

Week of the 1st is the start of season 3

[grim hare]

alright so pushing a key today isnt necessary?

[chilly brook]

I mean it is

[pulsar wedge]

you will want to push at least a 21+ to get a 15 key for week 2

[chilly brook]

Get at least an 18 done this week so you can have an 18 next week

[chilly brook]

shouldn't need a 21

[jagged pier]

its ither 18 or 20

[chilly brook]

iirc 18 timed

[jagged pier]

we dont actually know

thats timed

ither 19 untimed or 21 untimed

usa can beta test for us

👍

[pulsar wedge]

just try and time the highest possible

to receive the highest key for week 2

[chilly brook]

Regardless do the highest key you can this week so you start next week with the same level so you go into Season 3 with the highest key you can get

[grim hare]

I have 79k hp at 235 ilvl, how rough would a 19 be

[jagged pier]

if u play correctly

it will be fine

[pulsar wedge]

this current week is push week

so probably very easy with a ok group

[chilly brook]

I tanked a few 18s and 19s at 235 on my brm should be fine

[grim hare]

im never gonna get this dos trinket

[jagged pier]

why would u want that?

its not bis now and its nerfed next patch

[dawn canyon]

rough getting into a pug

if its ur key go ham

[grim hare]

oh well then rip whats bis then

[jagged pier]

aegis

if u have a hc one or mythic one still bis next patch

[grim hare]

i have neither lol

this warrior was strictly for pvp up until 2 weeks ago

I feel offended

[lofty widget]

are we really still using aegis next patch?

[jagged pier]

uncapped damage mitigation

probably yer

[grim hare]

well fuck

does that mean i still have to pug SOD next tier

[lofty widget]

makes sense, was hoping the xymox trinket wouldbe decent

[jagged pier]

is that the absorb one?

if so its worse than nerfed scaled

[dawn canyon]

first 3 myth sod is fine to pug imo

[jagged pier]

[west walrus]

We need a skill cap tier list

[grim hare]

reason im trying to get dos trinket btw is this

every combo except 2 uses it

[dawn canyon]

id grind it in s3

not now

[jagged pier]

who the fuck is using organ

[blazing condor]

yogi

[lofty widget]

but also the only combos that timed anything 27+ is with aegis

[grim hare]

oh im not doubting aegis is good

[jagged pier]

these are some odd trinket choices tbh

[distant crystal]

did they put any cool tank trinkets in new raid

[jagged pier]

our best trinkets are RDM and aegis

and OWS

theres no arugment

[distant crystal]

phial + totem

[blazing condor]

RDM

[jagged pier]

only thing that could be is ppl still read aegis wrong and dont get that its literally uncapped but they just read the absorb which means nothing on that trinket

[dawn canyon]

aegis ows is chill

[jagged pier]

or scale just does more damage

i guess that could be the reason

[distant crystal]

the dmg from aegis reads like it should be uncapped but it seems weak

even with a big honkin pull in front of ya

[lofty widget]

i feel like dmg from defensive trinkets is negligeble

[jagged pier]

4k off every attack for 8 seconds including dots and bleeds

yes very weak

[lofty widget]

just run a dps trinket if youwanna do dmg

[distant crystal]

i'm just talkin bout in practice

[west walrus]

• people not knowing it works against DoT

[distant crystal]

maybe it's too narrow to hit everything consistently o rsomething

[jagged pier]

well they should by now

[distant crystal]

just never seems to do fat dam

[jagged pier]

it doesnt do damage

its not supposed to

never has

[grim hare]

You guys want a good laugh? This is the garbage im currently tanking with. The only other trinkets I have malediction and pvp trinket

Some garbage proc damage and an on use vers buff

[distant crystal]

I was using that top one until just a few days ago

got a fatty 220 OWS to replace it

[chilly brook]

Sheesh I didn't know you were a FFXIV Andy

[blazing condor]

explen

[chilly brook]

RDM=Red Mage

[blazing condor]

o

[dawn canyon]

rdm is reno dragon mage

[blazing condor]

We're gonna be rich

[dawn canyon]

man LPG mage was cool

[blazing condor]

i was always a degen aggro player

Zoolock / Shockadin / undertaker hunter / pirate warrior

etc etc

[dawn canyon]

IM IN CHARGE NOW

YAHARRR

cannon noises

i should reinstall and finish warri tbh

only at 900 wins

[blazing condor]

everyone, get in here! everyone, get in here! everyone, get in here! everyone, get in here! everyone, get in here! everyone, get in here! everyone, get in here! everyone, get in here! everyone, get in here! everyone, get in here!

[chilly brook]

wadu hek is this

[blazing condor]

hearthstone

[chilly brook]

oh

that game

[modern brook]

Y did u change ur profile pixi

I miss 1400s mf doom

[blazing condor]

mf oblivion

[chilly brook]

Cuz everyone else did

Don't blame me

Blame yourselves

[blazing condor]

the sheep has conformed to the normative behavior of his environment

[modern brook]

Yeah but we all upgraded

:(

[chilly brook]

Go chase sheep, you dog with a crown

[blazing condor]

too busy chasing bitches

and my own tail

[chilly brook]

Lol

[jagged pier]

im online if u want a key

[blazing condor]

cooking some dinner but im down after ive ate if you still playin?

[jagged pier]

ok

[blazing condor]

redy in like 10 @jagged pier

[jagged pier]

inv me

when your rdy

[strong forum]

im not clicking that

[distant crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/121880895211831302/944357582594768966/IMG_2090.jpg

[strong forum]

should i delete or nah

[waxen orbit]

Issa meme

No gore or NSFW or anything like that if that’s what you’re asking

I’m not an animal

Or a DH player

[modern brook]

Delete it anyways

[strong forum]

title is just worrying

[waxen orbit]

Wait

What’s the title

I sent this from my phone

I can’t see it

[distant crystal]

DDLVID.com-857793y7458439257843295783295437289544325432

[blazing condor]

[ebon plank]

So is Reprisal the 9.2 raid legendary, and thus The Wall is now obsolete? 🤔 Trying to come back and MT this new raid for our guild 😄

[sturdy sable]

The wall will be used in niche scenarios

Reprisal is bis for m+ and raid unless your NL then you run glory but that point is moot in 5 weeks when ylu get double leggos

[ebon plank]

Im just wondering it as Reprisal uses charge/intervene, how is it better

[sturdy sable]

Well it gives you 4s of block 20 more rage and a free revenge cast

[chilly brook]

more rage

more block

more revenj

[sturdy sable]

So just looking on paper thats a massive value for little cost

[chilly brook]

what isn't better about it

[ebon plank]

I guess there are mechanics that make me use charge often then 😄

[sturdy sable]

Thats like a 80 rage value on 1 charge

[chilly brook]

?

[sturdy sable]

Well you should be charge weaving anyways

Boss casts a spell? Walk out and charge back

[chilly brook]

you just use charge on the boss for more shield block and rage and revenj

[sturdy sable]

Multiple mobs? Walk a few feet and charge back into a caster

Leap and charge back if your lazy

[ebon plank]

oh. damn. extra shit to do on boss fights 😄

[sturdy sable]

No

Youd be charge weaving anyways

With the wall

[chilly brook]

It's not like tanking is a lot to do to begin with

lol

Oh I press taunt when DBM tells me to and I press shield block before I get hit

[ebon plank]

I loved the fact that tanks had it easy. Okay Dena was a bit of a dance but a fun one with the tanks. But Sylvanas mechanics were annoying to handle (puddles) 😄

what I mean is that I liked when tanks had it a bit easier on mechanics, but you had to do boss location and tank swaps correctly or it was a wipe.

the additional responsibility of being a tank - you fuck up some thing the whole raid wipes

[waxen orbit]

Idk I like having a boss be more than a training dummy

[west walrus]

Amen

[ebon plank]

I think the Denathrius tank mechanics were just right. It was super fun to do the dancing of the fight as tank with all the swaps and positionings

[sturdy sable]

I also enjoy sire D

[ebon plank]

But I guess the reason I start this tier as raiding tank directly is that now in both tiers HC Dena and HC Sylv I had to jump in to progress tank and kill the boss when tanks just disappeared when there is going to be 100+ wipe pulls ahead for our guild progress 🤷

easier for the mindset, instead of thinking you are a dps and then get the tank duty 5 mins before raid start

[dark lark]

thanks dratnos 🖕

[sturdy sable]

Lol tier lists

[dawn canyon]

Lol dratnos tierlist

[dark lark]

lol

Just thought it was funny, I don't take stock in it

[jagged pier]

oh god its starting

https://tenor.com/view/eye-roll-ugh-stanley-rolls-eyes-gif-9403428

[chilly brook]

tier list time baby

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801876810261463041.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[blazing condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801876810261463041.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[frigid vault]

Did anyone compare 9.1 tier predictions to how it turned out?

[west walrus]

In my guild, we are going with a prot warrior and a BdK 🙃

[chilly brook]

no, but again tier lists are meh to begin with

[dark lark]

Should make a tier list of the tier lists

[chilly brook]

Rarely ever really reflect much of anything

[waxen orbit]

They reflect high M+ most of the time

[lofty widget]

lower ranked on tier lists=higher chance to be buffed after HC week 👍

[jagged pier]

[west walrus]

Reflect ? 🙃

[waxen orbit]

For raid you can run anything and just not be a literal vegetable and you’ll be fine

[chilly brook]

They didn't even do that in BFA

[waxen orbit]

I was extremely casual in BFA so tbh I’d not know unfortunately

[chilly brook]

Paladin was also rated lower in 9.1 iirc

And it became the meta tank

[dark lark]

Everybody said guardian druid for 9.1 and then Andy bodied them all with paladin

Now everybody is following with paladin

[waxen orbit]

Guardian is still really good for 9.1 for sure

[blazing condor]

yes griff

love the profile pic

[waxen orbit]

It’s a close tie with prot pal rn, prot pal wins from utility tho

[dawn canyon]

Prot pal got the dam

[chilly brook]

It's even better when the emote and the pfp sync

[hollow trellis]

So I was just informed I will be tanking first week...
Is the phial trinket useful at all (242) or should I stick to the cheat death trinket from normal KT (226)

[strong forum]

Phial is dmg, cheat death is cheat death

[chilly brook]

cheat death trinket useless on normal/heroic

[hollow trellis]

Thinking about it, I will probably fuck up a bunch, so cheat death will help

[strong forum]

Up to you, usually normal and heroic are absolute snoozefests

So depends on your comfortability

[chilly brook]

I mean

95% of tanks don't press their buttons

and they still clear the content

[strong forum]

Yeah

[chilly brook]

severely doubt you'll need cheat death in normal/heroic

[inland wasp]

Unless theres somthing you can cheese with a cheat death notbworth much in normal/heroic

[deft vortex]

Dratnos hates prot warrios

those tier videos really bring down prot warrior stonks

[ancient monolith]

Hey guys, once we get non-helm tier pieces, would it be good to craft unity leggo on head?

[dark lark]

In all seriousness, the tier lists should always be taken with a grain of salt

[tropic linden]

I mean, that's not bad. If public perception is that prot is not that good is a lower change to get nerfs and higher to get buffs

[dark lark]

CN, Prot warrior was considered bottom tier. Limit won 1st with one

SoD, everybody thought Shadow Priest was going to be S tier

literally 0 used

[mellow bridge]

because they got hit in the heroic week

[dark lark]

You're right, good memory. I forgot about that

[deft vortex]

i totally agree, but when im gonna be trying to push for 20+ key levels this season on prot warrior all this shitpost tier lists arent helping me out

[mellow bridge]

spriest is unlucky

they always look good

and then get fucked by blizz lmao

just like this patch

[dark lark]

Start your own groups, prove your skill and form a team

[mellow bridge]

they looked so good on the ptr and suddenly randomly nuked

[tropic linden]

To push 20+ u need a group so u don't want to kill yourself

Tried push on 9.0 as Hpriest alone

was terrible

[deft vortex]

well i at least have a pocket healer wwho will always be grouped with me. We just gotta pug the 3 dps

[tropic linden]

Found a group and was way less stressing

[dark lark]

DPS comp is honestly more impactful than the tank/healer, since damage profiles matter when trying to race against a clock.

Tank is more player dependent since you set the pulls

[tropic linden]

Just pug. Any DPS will die for a team with a tank and healer already

try to add good dps u find along the way

[dark lark]

I've done 20s on all six tanks this season in heroic ilvl gear with my guildies; the tank balance is insanely good

[tropic linden]

and build a network

[karmic plinth]

in theory legs may be the best slot as it has one of the highest budgets.. but we will probably have our reprisal on legs anyway, i would aim for a non tier slot with a good stat budget (which might end up being something smaller like boots waist or cloak), jewellery might not be bad for it either stats depending

[dark lark]

I heard you might want to move Reprisal to boots because of tier

Someone else can confirm that for me

[deft vortex]

yeh when running our own keys we can at least be super picky with our dps choices since there are always tons of dps queue'ing up

[tropic linden]

As a former main healer i rlly liked healing prot warrior, as they are not meta, they usually know what they are doing. The worst were prot paladins

[dark lark]

Well, the "meta" tank of a tier is always going to have a bunch of class jumpers

Remember VDH in S1? Good god there were so many squishy VDH's that don't know how to cycle their mitigation/kite appropriately

At least Bear in S2 is braindead to play

Prot Pally has a higher skill floor so your average 15 pushers are going to struggle

[tropic linden]

The offtank in my guild was a bear that used mangle 30% of the times he could use the skill.... Almost never died and did some 19 keys on time. This guy proves the theory that bear is silly to stay alive

[karmic plinth]

very possibly, i know from other class discords that legs seem to be a desired piece for unity because of the raw stat budget though as at 291 it will be better stats than having it in a different slot

[deft vortex]

the VDH wave in S1 was hilarious

[tropic linden]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cvkPdp8TVM6fx4Ha#fight=5&type=casts&cutoff=0&source=338
Just so u know i'm not lying

[deft vortex]

so much trash

[dark lark]

Prot Pally is gonna be hilarious when people don't know how to cycle their cooldowns to live through trash

[deft vortex]

yeh but divine toll big dam

her der

[waxen orbit]

Wdym

[dark lark]

In 20s and up, shit hits hard enough that you get chunked through SotR/Consecration

And you have to plan what defensive cooldowns you use for each pack

[waxen orbit]

Not really, you don't start getting pounded on ppal really until like +24ish

And even then you have crazy uptime on AD most of the time

[dark lark]

My point is that fotm jumpers won't maximize that

[waxen orbit]

Idk it's not too much to keep track of tbf

At its core ppal is a lot of just watching holy power

[modern brook]

You're literally in the discord for the class where peoples number one issue is not pressing buttons enough arguing that fotm rerollers will have no problem pressing buttons on their spec.

[waxen orbit]

I'm just saying it realistically is not that much to keep track of

[modern brook]

Yeah its wow

The game is easy

[waxen orbit]

But I get that people who can't press buttons will struggle on it more than they would on bear

[deft vortex]

also side note, what is gonna happen with all the extra Valor we will have?

does it get converted to gold?

[dark lark]

usually

[deft vortex]

cool

[blazing condor]

i got 20k on the AH by buying mats with them

[lofty widget]

1 valor = 1 silver usually

[mellow bridge]

use it to buy mats

[dark lark]

thanks for the reminder on that

[blazing condor]

np amogus character

[verbal ledge]

Is there a rough estimate (or even more concrete) calculation on how much rage gain windfury gives to prot warr through devastator + melee swings?

Devastator = SS in this case

@steady karma

[chilly brook]

20% chance for an extra swing

20% per swing for shield slam

Could probably figure out a rough estimate based off that tbh

So like 132 melees without wft on my remnant

So give or take 26 extra melees

So like 52 rage from autos

About 6 extra shield slams?

So like 90 rage

Extremely rough, doesn’t include extra rage spent on revenge etc

In total 142

[verbal ledge]

That doesnt Sound too exciting Tbh.

[waxen orbit]

Prot warr gets the most benefit in the game

Out of anyone else in the entire game

[chilly brook]

Arms bruv

[mellow bridge]

pretty sure it's 2nd highest in sims yea

right after arms

[waxen orbit]

Prot and arms are at the same benefit level

Arms is only a lil higher

I forget about arms with fury basically just being the go-to kekw

[verbal ledge]

Yeah but i was wondering how prot can benefit super hard from it. Spreadsheets say prot benefits by 6.5% from wf

[waxen orbit]

Because our melee is a massive portion of our damage

Dev is also a decent portion

[verbal ledge]

Arms used to be 5ish % which in raw numbers is ofc higher

But the defensive value for prot isnt that exciting then i guess

[mellow bridge]

melees do decent damage

more melees more devastates which do damage

more SS which does damage

more revenge which does dmg

yep

[waxen orbit]

Helps with rage gen from more SS procs

Which means more Indom heal

Because you’re spending more rage

So it’s still a good defensive value

No reason to ever have wind fury in a group and not have the prot warrior in there

[chilly brook]

Unfortunately the sims aren’t available anymore so I can’t check rage gen between totem and no totem

Although @verbal ledge you could just do two quick sims for yourself

And see the difference of WFT and no WFT to see resource gen

[blazing condor]

Too much tc talk in here

[chilly brook]

Shut up you chad

Let us be nerds

SMH

[blazing condor]

dont wake me

[chilly brook]

Or what?

[waxen orbit]

Oh that’s a different chart than the one I saw

My bad, that looks more reasonable

[chilly brook]

this is the 9.1.5

[waxen orbit]

Yea I may have been looking at 9.1

Or 9.0

Or 4.3

[chilly brook]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1dIUxKmakYpOd0R9w5HBLJ5Hgk0XhxFGnqm5tHdnc1Ck/htmlview#

[mellow bridge]

seeing the WW % always makes me chuckle

[chilly brook]

It surprises me that DH doesn't benefit as much as you'd think running demon blades

[waxen orbit]

Yeah, you think that it would give way more, right?

I wonder why it gives less

Making me want to go into the hellscape that is #havoc

[dark lark]

The DH discord is literally the worst of the class discords Ive seen

[waxen orbit]

I’m not gonna shit-talk it but from the descriptions given by four DHs in my guild, there’s definitely a uhh... problem.

[strong forum]

its very loose

atlaest the dps section

and basically anywhere that isnt vengeance

[sturdy sable]

The veng section was pretty decent in 8.0

[strong forum]

im frequent in chad chat cuz its the shit talk channel

thats about it

[sturdy sable]

The nsfw channel was pretty bad

[waxen orbit]

So basically it’s like the moments of debate that we’ve had in here, but way less civil and they’re genuinely rage-fueled

Is what I’ve heard

HoW and Dreamgrove have BIS emotes

Cant cap

The ones here are good but shit they got good emotes over there

[distant crystal]

i don't even play pala but i'm in that discord because i saw an emote i wanted to use

lol

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-fistpump-gif-4689886

best emote

[chilly brook]

Zyzz brah

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-we-are-all-gonna-make-it-zyzz-zyzz-pose-gif-24463755

[strong forum]

wagmi

[pulsar wedge]

What cov yall going for m plus?

[strong forum]

kyrian/nf

[craggy pilot]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/arms/soul_binds/castingpatchwerk

anyone can get this one to work?

i keep doing resetting cache, but it wont work

[waxen orbit]

...the fuck is bloodmallet

[urban portal]

Cringe shit

Misleads people

[waxen orbit]

Homie whatever you’re trying to sim do it on Raidbots

[urban portal]

^

[waxen orbit]

Infinitely more accurate and infinitely quicker and easier to access

[errant oriole]

hey guys i am curious, what is wrong with using najita in venthyr as a prot war?

currently kyrian but was just curious

[mighty valley]

just weaker than the other soulbinds from other covs and condemn doesn't have much value, especially compared to other cov abilities

and especially since they buffed regular execute

it's fine if you like venthyr, I still play it a lot, you can do the content

but it's pretty clearly a bit behind the other covs in power

[errant oriole]

ah ok thanks 😄

[waxen orbit]

It's not Nadjia that's weak, it's the entirety of Venth which is

The haste that Nadjia gives is great but the fact that Condemn is the way it is just devalues everything

[modern brook]

just in time 8)

[errant oriole]

think i will just stick with kyrian then 😛

[dark lark]

Grats!

[waxen orbit]

Big grats

Nicely done

[modern brook]

world last bby

[twilit sable]

It's because they've sacrificed EVERYTHING, especially their IQ 😂

[night oracle]

guys im trying to gear my warrior next season , but does the ilvl for mythic dungeons scaled up next reset ?

[distant crystal]

no

well, not tomorrow but following reset

[scenic mural]

What is the m0 ilvl gonna be next season?

[distant crystal]

252 i think?

[bright dock]

m0 is like 236

10 is 255

[tame jasper]

Gratz!

[scenic mural]

Yeah i found the article its 236

[night oracle]

oh thanks guys , just afked for a lot

a bit*

does default number of loot (not counting extra piece from 3chesting )change according to key levels as well ?

last time i remember was 2 pieces per dung

[mighty valley]

2 pieces per dung always, even if you don't time it (if you don't time it one is lower ilvl)

but random chance for a 3rd piece for every key level above 15

[night oracle]

oh , yeah actually , if im not wrong i think it's +20% for each above 15 ?

and thanks for reminding!

[mighty valley]

Don't remember specific numbers but something like that

[night oracle]

thanks that helped ~!

[blazing condor]

are there any socket items confirmed for 9.2?

[fair solar]

No

[blazing condor]

sweet

[fair solar]

But when upgrading a socketed item with the catalyst (unlocks after 7 or so weeks) to tier, the item keeps its socket.

[blazing condor]

also sweet

ty

[brazen yarrow]

so 0 sockets

i dont have to farm reputation?

[jagged pier]

there is a socket thing i believe

[brazen yarrow]

[nimble sluice]

Sorry if this has been asked a million times already, but just to check is Reprisal on feet the way to go for 9.2?

[jagged pier]

in the short term yes

[nimble sluice]

Whats the long term plan?

[jagged pier]

legs fir higher stat budget

but u need 5 tier piece to do that

so it will take a long time

as helm drops from jailer

[nimble sluice]

Okay gotcha, tyvm

[mellow bridge]

there is no socket item on the ptr actually

[jagged pier]

did they remove it?

[tame jasper]

Afaik there never was one

[blazing condor]

Maybe the real socket item was the bugs we found along the way

[tame jasper]

Will be 9.2.5 „feature“ u mesn?

[blazing condor]

Love it or hate it thats just how the game works

[mellow bridge]

yea there never was one on ptr

which is kinda good since you dont have to grind rep for it

[blazing condor]

How else can you create hype around a new patch if it doesnt remove shitty things that shouldnt have been in the game to begin with 🙂

[mellow bridge]

but at the same time kinda sucks cuz socketing your bis items feels nice

[remote cloak]

🚨 SPEND YOUR VALOR IF YOU HAVENT ALREADY 🚨

[jagged pier]

i made 60k with mine

[strong forum]

Spend your vacation days if you haven't already!

Blizz needs you on that treadmill!

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[teal swift]

When blizzard does a ban wave and I Lowkey hope it banned me

Even though I didn't do anything lmao

[blazing condor]

Take matters into ur own hands

Ban urself

[sweet summit]

anyone get banned

or

[smoky wave]

do dom gems just stop working outside of torghast/the maw tomorrow?

[sweet summit]

ya

[jagged pier]

ya

[pulsar wedge]

Buddy got banned for sharing his password in 2019.

[smoky wave]

sweet, good riddence

to the gems, not the guy sharing his password

[pulsar wedge]

Got that 1 month ban

[blazing condor]

That happened to my buddy eric

[jagged pier]

i did my friends dailies for him back in tbc

never got caught

[blazing condor]

:0

[jagged pier]

😂

ah well dont need to play anymore then

[blazing condor]

Bliss

[ionic fern]

👍

[jagged pier]

whos rdy for the grind tomorrow?

[ionic fern]

I aaaaam.

Still like 20 levels to go until 50.

[jagged pier]

Mwahi really in 10.0 waiting room

[ionic fern]

9.2 doesn't exist for me.

[jagged pier]

perma drums

not bad actually

👍

just skull it

and watch them kill the speed one

[ionic fern]

I'm going to grief and get stealth 24/7.

[jagged pier]

POG

[ionic fern]

And then watch people be tilted cause "WE CANT COMPLETE THE DUNGEON NOW CAUSE YOU GOT WRONG BOFF GGWP"

[jagged pier]

thats actually gunna happen

[ionic fern]

Yes.

The WoW special.

Where people are dumdum.

[blazing condor]

were the mobs even tough like mechanically

[jagged pier]

on groups of mobs

[blazing condor]

I assume they scale stupid high like with most season affixes

[rugged mural]

Urh (CDR + hp/mana) vs Vy (15%haste + on hit) relic? What conditions would warrant which one?

[jagged pier]

drums in literally 90% of times is better

[blazing condor]

how much cdr do you get?

[jagged pier]

more haste is not only more damage but more resources etc etc that for us actually makes teir set etc even more valuable

you likely to take CDR just before a boss or somthing

but theres a reason why everyone ran the 3 dps gems

because dps is > everything

[blazing condor]

if you do one big pull and blow all CDs maybe its worth to take CDR if it's close nearby after the pack

then just haste on boss

but idrk i havent tested anything

or even read on it

[jagged pier]

yer but u can stack the haste buff

[blazing condor]

speed

[strong forum]

Isnt the cdr 200% for 10 seconds?

[jagged pier]

🤷

[strong forum]

So we'd be able to get 2 avatars in that window

Cuz double dipping with AM

[mellow bridge]

the CDR has been pretty good ever since it got buffed

and getting infinite mana is valuable too

i dont think the choice is as easy as people make it out to be here

at least in higher keys

[strong forum]

Ya they changed cdr from 20% over 30sec(?) to 200% over 10sec

But it doesn't affect rotational spells like Tc and SS

[mellow bridge]

ya

but getting 2 1 min cds in a pack

is nutty

[strong forum]

Ya im saying its good

Was more meant as a hint

So people aren't surprised when they can't spam SS every global

[rugged mural]

Yeah. I guess I thought it would be good to take the CDR if you had a lot of 2min CDs in your group. Could use those CDs on every pack maybe.

[strong forum]

Yeah, cdr is massive for 1 and 2min CD classes

[rugged mural]

Follow dumb question. Does the CDR apply to spells already on CD? Or do they have to be used during the 10sec window?

[mellow bridge]

it applies to spells on cd already

[strong forum]

It constantly updates

Aka doesn't snapshot

For the 10sec window all CDs but rotational buttons will cool down 200% faster

So basically you get 30sec off of the CD

[rugged mural]

Awesome. Was worried that you’d need to hold CDs

[strong forum]

Instead of 10sec

[pulsar wedge]

are we getting the new affix this week to check out

or still tormentor?

[strong forum]

It's off season

So still tormentors

[pulsar wedge]

thats what i thought

thanks

[strong forum]

Yes

DW heroic week will surely fix everything

[jagged pier]

[mellow bridge]

condemn

🥱

[strong forum]

Make condemn hit in a cone infront of us

A big one

Thx

[jagged pier]

give us masscre and SD talents

member when bliz said all covs would be within 1% of each other for all specs

its fine

able to do all content

as usual

tank balance so close for 99% of the player base there is no last or top pick

u wont runn banner in m+

[lime urchin]

Sad

[jagged pier]

then why ask what lvl of pick we are

🤷

[strong forum]

If you absolutely wanted to have a best and least best

Then yeah pwar is the least good in m+

But in raid we're as usual middle of the pack

Carried by rally, battleshout and our execute dmg will be insane with necro in raid

[jagged pier]

in before 9 bosses are all magical damage

[strong forum]

:nooo:

[jagged pier]

:yesss:

[lime urchin]

Aren’t tonks in the big boi raids chosen by how well their dps spec does?

[mellow bridge]

they usually are there to cover buffs and utility

[strong forum]

Tanks are chosen based on: in this order

1. raid buffs(bshout/mystic touch/chaos brand)
2. op dmg output
3. utility (rally/immunities/grip(also depends on fight))
4. survivability

iirc

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that was the order

[lime urchin]

Yea exactly, and then when the dps spec of the does really well, the buffs are already brought by them and makes the tonk spec obsolete (for world first stuffs I mean)

[strong forum]

Yes

[modern brook]

Pretty sure tanks are chosen by 1)Max said they were good

2. sco plays them

[jagged pier]

sco

[lime urchin]

Lol

[modern brook]

You laugh but how many people come in here asking if peots dead cause their guild lead says the need to play something else cause Sco doesn't like prot war??

[jagged pier]

i havent seen that ever

ive seen it because max says x

never sco

[strong forum]

Yeah that's been pretty much gone since method imploded in bfa

[jagged pier]

i didnt even rate sco then tbh....

[brittle owl]

you all will eat your words once the number 1 tank in the world, undefeated, undisputed, Kungen, gets WF in 2 days

[jagged pier]

after watching him at the end of BFA and start of SLs i realised he was good back in the day not anymore tho

[strong forum]

My clip went viral of jungen

"classic raiders were really fucking good back then"

[brittle owl]

people keep forgetting that when nihilum got WF black temple

and talking about that shit

there was a korean guild

[jagged pier]

" a good raider doesnt need to be told what to do " proceeds to fuck up ever mechanic under the sun

[strong forum]

While I do agree with that statement

[brittle owl]

that cleared BT in dungeon blues

[strong forum]

It was just dumb to think he could get away with not having a raidlead

[brittle owl]

[brittle owl]

to be fair

raidleading was very rudimentary

since the fights were "simple"

[jagged pier]

no he said that in CN

[brittle owl]

wonder if he was ever like

"ok bois, remember, this is just like Lurker Below"

[strong forum]

Na he told people to shut up and focus

This is easy if people just did the mechanic

[strong forum]

I know that but even in this day an age I agree that you technically don't need an RL

But sadly

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

And it's also technically easier for 1 person to focus on mechanics and do callouts instead of everyone paying attention, but raiding quickly turns into 100% muscle memory anyway

[distant crystal]

even the simplest mechanics that don't need callouts will immediately be failed on pull 400 if the RL abruptly stops calling them out

[daring bay]

Well, then my whole raid team has athropy

[strong forum]

As I've said, people are retarded

And also mistakes happen

In a raid of 20 people, if every single player only slips up once it's still 20 mistakes done in a night ykno. Happens

[jagged pier]

when its the same person again and again tho

[strong forum]

Ya that then is tilting

[lime urchin]

I have had those nights

Stepping into a reclear with people who have done it for weeks

Where I needed 5-6 tries to get the timings right

I heard the soft sighs on the discord

[distant crystal]

We had our MT and one of our main moonkins out last night.

Somehow 1shot KT

had a banshee respawn in both downphases but it came back up kickable lol

#blessed

[brittle owl]

https://tenor.com/view/therock-gym-focus-gif-5145354

[humble tendon]

Who is max?

[sweet summit]

the guy from the guild

[tame jasper]

so in the long run reprisal still on legs and unity on feet (or the other way round)?

[lime urchin]

The raidlead and co owner of one of the world first guilds

Pretty fun guy to listen to every now and then on the YouTube’s

[jagged pier]

no hes the co owner of liquid, owner of the guild

[lime urchin]

Oh sorry

[distant crystal]

i would do unity on the tier slot

since you'll always wear that

i think he's co-owner of the liquid wow subsidiary not big Liq

or maybe it was MMO subsidiary

[tame jasper]

that's what he said in this stream

[humble tendon]

ok thanks

[blazing condor]

Thought yall meant pieces max

Did he pepsi

[mellow bridge]

😬

[sweet summit]

terrible

[tropic linden]

Will I have problem tanking normal raid with 230 gear?

[strong forum]

sod or sepulcher?

[dark lark]

1% ownership stake I believe, does that count lol

[jagged pier]

🤷

[distant crystal]

equity is equity baby

[tropic linden]

Sepulcher

[strong forum]

is a bit low

but should be fine

normal raid drops 252

[mighty valley]

you'll be fine probably, normal rarely has real tankbusters, we had ilvl 200 tanks for alt runs of sanctum

but also you'll easily be able to get some gear before the raid opens

[tropic linden]

I'll travel tomorrow and gonna be back 07/03

Not gonna have time to get a lot of gear

[mighty valley]

if you have a cool guild it'll be fine, pugs will turn their nose up at you

[tropic linden]

Nah, it's a cool guild. Just don't want to be a burden for the first 2-3 weeks while i get gear

[kindred kraken]

new to the spec, how much is the difference between ravager and unstoppable force? i really like thunderclap builds, but if the difference is too much im just shooting myself in the foot

[strong forum]

UF is dogshit

[kindred kraken]

define dogshit, for some people dogshit means 1% less dps

[strong forum]

lot less dps

lot less rage

[kindred kraken]

looks like im playing ravager

[mighty valley]

ITF is good in raid too

[kindred kraken]

for now this toon is just for m+

[mighty valley]

but yeah they changed around our damage profile pre-shadowlands and thunderclap doesn't pump like it used to

[kindred kraken]

yeah i can remember thunderclap causing prot warriors to top the dps charts in dungeons in bfa

[crystal iris]

so how good is our tier sets?

am i getting back into prot? xD

playstyle doesnt change much right?

[sweet summit]

pretty good, very fun

[crystal iris]

I want to like prot so badly lol

[sweet summit]

nah, just puts more weights into SS with outburst

[crystal iris]

on ST only?

[sweet summit]

everywhere

[crystal iris]

when do you use outburst on thuderclap? never??

[sweet summit]

never

[jagged pier]

thats the thing u dont

[crystal iris]

damn thats unfortunate

[sweet summit]

yea

[jagged pier]

no really

[distant crystal]

just need 38+ targets

ez

[kindred kraken]

why ss in aoe? wouldnt thunderclap be more effective at like 4 targets plus?

or does the rage also get tripled?

[crystal iris]

wait is that just for rage gen?

[sweet summit]

tc is weak

that's why

[jagged pier]

it does less damage and gives less rage

[sweet summit]

ye

[crystal iris]

wow

[distant crystal]

lookhowtheymassacredmyboy.gif

[lofty widget]

is there any indication on your bars when you have an empowered SS, or can you only go on the outburst stacks

[crystal iris]

I thought okay maybe it gives more rage but empowered SS does more damage than empowered TC even at 5+ targets??

thats so rough

[jagged pier]

ye

[distant crystal]

prob want a WA that tracks it

[sweet summit]

you need a WA for it

[crystal iris]

makes sesnse since the free SS lights up as well

[distant crystal]

what actually is the target count breakpoint where TC becomes better

is it like, 15?

[jagged pier]

10+ maybe 🤷

[sweet summit]

there is none

[distant crystal]

or just never cause theh rage is always dook

[sweet summit]

xd

[jagged pier]

but an empowered SS is 2 revenges

thats what your comparing against

[crystal iris]

jesus

[jagged pier]

is the SS damage plus double revenge

[crystal iris]

oh bc of rage gen

i mean unless youre capping

[kindred kraken]

so a thunderclap would also gain more value if the targets are a bit more spread out

[jagged pier]

then your not going to TC ither

[crystal iris]

true

[kindred kraken]

revenge is pretty short range

[sweet summit]

you'd only ever use it on TC if you really need the extra slow

(aka never)

[crystal iris]

not even avatar + thunderclap on pull for aggro? xD

[distant crystal]

how much is TC slow when empowered

[crystal iris]

I want to clap cheeks

[sweet summit]

20%*200%

60%?

[jagged pier]

nice u just wasted outburst on TC

[distant crystal]

p weaksauce

[grizzled lotus]

yeah TC stonks 📉 after tier set, now you gotta be careful NOT to hit it

[honest plinth]

but what if i want to RP Flash?

[crystal iris]

removing frm action bar

[grizzled lotus]

TC the new TP

[tropic linden]

So 70% with the TC talent?

[crystal iris]

new whirlwind

[jagged pier]

you'll still press it as much as possible just not with outburst up

its gives rage still

[sweet summit]

something like that, iroh. i'm not 100% sure how it works with CT

i'm a bounding gamer

[crystal iris]

just doesnt feel nice using SS on a big pack

[tropic linden]

I read the slow come after the 200% buff

[crystal iris]

especially when youve spend a few days blasting shields at packs as pally

[tropic linden]

More revenj

[sweet summit]

oh it will

trust me

[crystal iris]

kk ill keep an open mind 🙂

[honest plinth]

1 day we will spam TC again

[sweet summit]

🥺

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[sweet summit]

[tropic linden]

More rage to cast revenj that feeds ur AM talet which is more Avatar that gives u more outburst that give u more rage and so on

[honest plinth]

Nome is playing LA wow is dying

[grizzled lotus]

(servers are down)

[sweet summit]

nome is eu

[jagged pier]

nome hasnt played wow in months

[sweet summit]

servers up here

[crystal iris]

nah its just gonna be a slow week

[crystal iris]

lol

not gonna be up until tomorrow morning watch

[grizzled lotus]

There isn't really a point to mashing the hell out of ZM with the new rep change huh

[sweet summit]

nah

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-meme-astronaut-gif-23926290

[grizzled lotus]

just for the fun of the weird side prog tree thing and mounts

so we're just vibing this week

[crystal iris]

you only need 25 days of dailies in 5 weeks

[grizzled lotus]

Yeah

so any rares you kill are "more days you can miss"

[crystal iris]

and thats only if you absolutely want to craft unity on a new piece right away week 5

which lets face it, I dont have hte gold for anyway

[grizzled lotus]

when we get the belt, we're also able to craft the 291 IF we have the Unity memory?

[crystal iris]

so ill probably use the belt for a few weeks

[grizzled lotus]

so the belt is "useless" or something? I forget

since it's 265, cannot be upgraded etc

[honest plinth]

29

[crystal iris]

belt is free. memory you need the rep

[grizzled lotus]

yeah but we will have the rep

[sweet summit]

u get the rep from campaign

basically

[grizzled lotus]

so it's either budget 265 or get the memory

[crystal iris]

yeah

[kindred kraken]

a second legendary > ilvl probably

[grizzled lotus]

and then alts also get the 265

[crystal iris]

either way this week is going to be a bit of a dead week

[kindred kraken]

legendary is big deeps

[sweet summit]

this

[crystal iris]

once you do dailies and finish the 3 campaign chapters

[grizzled lotus]

oh right, are we gonna actually be able to have enough Cosmic Flux to upgrade both

[honest plinth]

it will be cheaper in 9.2

[sweet summit]

flux drops everywhere

[honest plinth]

you only need 2 boe reagents

[grizzled lotus]

like to get Reprisal 291/Unity 291 = at the same time, as soon as we get the belt

[sweet summit]

you'll have enough

if not, just bang some keys

[crystal iris]

292 legendaries will be cheaper? on week 5 i think the prices still going to be super high no?

[honest plinth]

i mean its 2 reagents not 40

[crystal iris]

fingers crossed

[grizzled lotus]

I'm still a bit fuzzy on what's even acct wide, I'm switching to Warrior for raid this time around but I play BrM and BDK as well

[crystal iris]

yeah ive got a warr main but I used to raid more on my Rsham

and have a pally too all at the same ish level currently

so ill probably do dailies on warrior and shammy to gear them equally

but going to be raiding warrior mostly this tier

how is necro looking for prot?

[grizzled lotus]

it's looking to be the shiz once you get double leggo

and 4 piece

so later in the patch it'll be great for Fury/Prot

[kindred kraken]

what does necro do again? and with lego?

[grizzled lotus]

M+ probably just still Kyr/NF

[sweet summit]

you need high uptime on boss for necro to shine

[crystal iris]

nicee. im excited for the fury necro

[grizzled lotus]

so yeah it's a "wait and see" but the potential is there

[honest plinth]

necro is good on paper

will see

[crystal iris]

you only need consistant uptime on boss for the 35-45s that banner is up no?

[grizzled lotus]

I'm more excited for M+ with Night Fae double leggo

[honest plinth]

no

[grizzled lotus]

Nature's Fury slaps

[crystal iris]

meh

[sweet summit]

100% uptime on banner on paper

[crystal iris]

its a LONG time so keep mobs still

[sweet summit]

natures fury does slap

[grizzled lotus]

yeah

[jagged pier]

only gunna do damage if the mobs dont die

[grizzled lotus]

one thing I have a hard time with playing NF is the desync between Avatar and AA

Spear is just "ava spear go brr"

[crystal iris]

keep them still and alive for what, 16s??

[grizzled lotus]

18

[crystal iris]

my trouble with kyrian is rage capping during spear + ravager xD

[honest plinth]

kyrian will still be king for m+ im pretty sure bout this

[grizzled lotus]

my group needs a NF for those two dungeons at least

but I'm happy to be able to play Kyr/mess around with Necro in the others

yeah the lining up of Ava/Spear/Ravager is just sooo clean

[crystal iris]

its clean but i can barely keep up

just spamming the shit out of revenge

[grizzled lotus]

will be even worse with Tier set 🙃

[crystal iris]

how is that going to work with outburst SS

[grizzled lotus]

yeah

lol

Ignore Pain x4

[crystal iris]

exactly. no way you dont overcap when you hit avatar spear SS

[grizzled lotus]

• free ignore pains

[honest plinth]

ip has cap 😄

[grizzled lotus]

so they are like

capped

yeah

[crystal iris]

probably just gonna hold ravager until after spear is done

[grizzled lotus]

the SS gives you crazy rage + 1 IP so one more IP and then...

then sometimes Revenge is free

[honest plinth]

so you wanna waste your burst ? 😄

[crystal iris]

no i want to prevent wasting rage

so prolong burst

[grizzled lotus]

I think it's just gonna happen idk

[crystal iris]

charge in avatar spear intervene

[honest plinth]

so you will desync all your buttons is that way

[jagged pier]

U are not going to be using SS rage on IP

[crystal iris]

thats 2x free revenge + outburst SS

theres no way you need ravager rage on top of that

you already wont be able to dump rage fast enough

especially with those 2 free revenges. Usually charge + spear alone puts me at 100 rage

[jagged pier]

Its not 2 free revenges

Its 40 rage

[crystal iris]

charge + intervene?

[jagged pier]

U literally should never be doing that on pull

[crystal iris]

you guys are the ones who told me its good to get intervene on CD quick

but ok lets say I save it

[jagged pier]

Quick, first opprtunity

Which is when u run out of SB charges

[crystal iris]

charge + avatar + spear + SS thats max cap

then you free revenge and hit first charge of SB

[kindred kraken]

add in ravager and you have more rage than you can spend, is what im experiencing anyways

[crystal iris]

exactly

[sturdy sable]

yall know you can throw in an ignore pain right uses the rage without wastin

[crystal iris]

only 1 though ya

[sturdy sable]

still 40 rage

[crystal iris]

I usually do

[sturdy sable]

and spending the rage is more important then letting it waste

[crystal iris]

and I even hit the second SB charge sometimes to not overcap

[sturdy sable]

esp with anger management and the tier coming in

[crystal iris]

realistically youll get maybe 3 revenges out before you need to SS outburst again?

gonna be big dam

[scenic mural]

Ravager isn’t just a go to for rage it’s used for threat as well.

[strong forum]

its also good dmg

[warm nest]

is there a line to add to simc to enable simming banner buff on other classes?

[strong forum]

to include it into your own sim?

dont think thats possible

[sweet summit]

external_buffs.conquerors_banner=x/y/z

with x, y and z being timers in seconds

https://tinyurl.com/bannersims

[plush tendon]

lol, bannering other people

good joke

the best way to do it is have a group of 4 warriors and enhancement shaman; tell the Enhancement to drop windfury and stay away, and then you and the bois banner each other

[distant crystal]

arcane mages gonna be stacking on the warriors in melee

[plush tendon]

gotta pay off the priests to move them

[mighty valley]

think so but there's no rush, raid isn't open this week

[distant crystal]

this week is just new zone basically

next week is where the grind really gets moving

[waxen orbit]

This week is for experiencing Danuser’s excellent award winning storytelling

[mighty valley]

story discourse literally anywhere else please

[deft hinge]

is 278 the ilvl cap great vault next week?

[distant crystal]

NO

caps

252 next week, 278 heroic week

[mighty valley]

tbh i'm glad the new season isn't really happening yet

with a million other games to play dropping at the same time

[sweet summit]

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[raven ore]

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[true pawn]

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[sweet summit]

tyvm

[raven ore]

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

[oblique garnet]

@blazing condor

[blazing condor]

Literally in the club rn

[blazing condor]

Ratjamming

[oblique garnet]

Yikes during a pandemic

[distant crystal]

the only thing i'd consider using mouseover on is heroic throw

as far as dmg abilities

[dawn canyon]

#showtooltip ignore pain
/cast revenge

[distant crystal]

lol

[modern brook]

mouse over execute is a secret

you cant tell anyone else about it

[blazing condor]

:X

[tropic linden]

Mouseover on interrupt/stun and execute

[timber cloud]

Gamers - is there a resource anywhere on what slots I should be using for my legos this tier

So as to avoid conflict w high iL / tier set

[waxen orbit]

Yeah DN is a pretty good resource

[distant crystal]

[stray kestrel]

[teal swift]

Mouf

[ionic fern]

The Icy Veins :
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-guide
and the WoWhead :
https://www.wowhead.com/protection-warrior-guide guides are up to date for Patch 9.2

[teal swift]

@ionic fern 🤝

Hi friend

[ionic fern]

Hello.

[distant crystal]

[ionic fern]

[tame jasper]

Thank you @ionic fern 🥳

[ionic fern]

With the new tier set in mind:
It's ALWAYS better to overcap Ignore Pain (don't care by how much) than waste any rage.

[tawdry dirge]

checked the guides now,.. wonder with the tierset it might be not so bad to extend avatar by 2.5 seconds from venthyr lego or?

and with AM talented condem spend also reduce the CD of avatar there might be a higher uptime?

[ionic fern]

If we're talking raid then remember that it's only for certain HP thresholds.
Also NL providing A TON of rage when played properly(leading to even more AM CDR) with Glory is just going to be benefiting you/your team way more over the course of the fight.

[tawdry dirge]

not only raid i was more genereally thinking

[ionic fern]

Venthyr still has the down side that it always had..it's a rage DUMP not a rage gain like the other Covenants.

In m+ it's even more behind everything else.

Spear/AA/Glory all provide you more damage in AoE with more RPS.

[tawdry dirge]

i never tryed necro how do u gain there a ton of rage?

[ionic fern]

Glory legendary provides you 4 RPS as long as the buff is active.

You can keep the buff active for 100% of the time when the situation allows it (with double legendary + tier).

[tawdry dirge]

ahh okay thats handy

so might be that necro rises if your group benefit from mastery aswell

[ionic fern]

Jeah, definitely.

[tawdry dirge]

also in m+?