but still
#protection
blazing condor
jagged pier
thats the right way
same as me
actually no i did that stream a few weeks ago
enough for like a year
expect for someone need to take up the mantle of key pusher as @patent osprey is going monk
any takers?
jagged pier
that means u have the time
blazing condor
im not like erga
deft hinge
wooot! Plka going monkaw?!??!
jagged pier
well if u were you'd be SF'd by now 
crystal iris
Ive played both reprisal and seismic
But as you say I should be able to comfortbaly tank a 15 with seismic
jagged pier
well playing siesmic is all about comfort with the spec which it sounds like u arent, so probably not tbh
sweet summit
yo how tf do i remove decimals on a wa
jagged pier
patent osprey
blazing condor
well if u were you'd be SF'd by now <:keks:936231610850897992>
jagged pier
solid granite
blazing condor
jagged pier
crystal iris
well playing siesmic is all about comfort with the spec which it sounds like u a...
I mean ive timed a 20 or 2 as prot so I know where everything is
Ive also played it quite a bit
But I still find it very punishing and those were tyr weeks
lime urchin
Monk is fun!
crystal iris
maybe ill do a few more runs to get back into it then stream or log
Its mostly that the whole fun I find in tanking is that you can soft carry / help guildies out with KSM and stuff but I find that much harder on warr than pally
ionic fern
Paladin IS arguably the best "Let me carry these plebs to KSM" tank. 🤷
You just got so much utility/heals and DPS that you can do everything.
crystal iris
and the interrupts
its nice to have that mob control
because people who need help with KSM arent exactly kicking the far out mob so it can run in
crystal iris
how much dps would you say you gain from seisemic over reprisal
lets say halls 15 fort, rough estimate
2k?
lime urchin
Well that depends on your bravery
Do you pull trash on bosses
Which can’t be done on 2nd and last boss I thinks
Well technically you can on 2nd but that’d be a bit clunky I think
And also there will some kiting done in halls if da baers start hurting you on lower ilvls
That are many words for saying
I don’t know
crystal iris
I mean I hit IP to not overcap
and occasionally to help with the dog bleeds
but you guys are right I should play more with reprisal and get really comfortable with it
crystal iris
gotta stay alive too
dead=zero revenges
although I guess you could weigh the 4% HP you regain from revenge vs the IP amount
deft hinge
3k rio to get best conduits, just great
distant crystal
i don't think that's gonna be the only way
distant crystal
right, that's the item that upgrades every conduit to 278. it's not the only way to get your conduits to 278
jagged pier
it is all 20s done
distant crystal
and yeah it's equiv to 2400 this season
jagged pier
but tbh
if u care that much about conduit ilvl
u will probs be doing the achieves to unlock them
distant crystal
you could get elite in pvp before mythic comes out p sure
jagged pier
look okay if it uses the tuning from PTR 20 swith tier sets and double leggos will be a joke
distant crystal
let's get some early guessing for cutoff of s3 hero title
sick sentinel
everyone saying theyll get it week 2 or 3 lmao
distant crystal
I'm gonna say 3500ish
sick sentinel
thats way different since there was nothing new
distant crystal
actually i think that's prob pretty low maybe 3700
jagged pier
there was a new k value
which is literally the only new thing in the dungeons
whatever else u get is added on top
crystal iris
you guys want to watch a NW16?
sick sentinel
yeah but not enough, this new season will be alot more scaling to mobs and bosses in M+
jagged pier
no?
crystal iris
hahah
sick sentinel
jesh
sick sentinel
well you guys have double legos and tiers sets on ptr already
you wont have it on week 3
jagged pier
not all the time
strong forum
yeah but not enough, this new season will be alot more scaling to mobs and bosse...
says who
its always been 30% baseline per tier
and blizz has not made any notion which would suggest that they will increase key scaling like they did in bfa s4 from 8% per key to 10% per key
which was exclusive due to the insanity that was corruptions
sick sentinel
Who knows no one
sick sentinel
With the way things are going I’d say likely
strong forum
also given the new affix, you will have more frequent access to way bigger powerspikes
sick sentinel
But they could be making things easier for everyone
strong forum
which could potentially lead to dungeons actually being easier
than currently
now what it also depends on is affix rotation
maybe they create absolute an absolute dogshit affix rotation
sick sentinel
They need to make a necrotic affix for ranged
strong forum
but it is factually likely that people absolutely will get 20s done in the first few weeks
if not much higher
people did fucking 22s week1 of s2
with 226 gear
sick sentinel
Those are the top .01% of players tho
Although I did hit 2k week 2 and rolled an alt
deft hinge
i can rent jackass, who the hell rents jackass? imdb 7.0? wth?
did any1 see the new matrix? i havent but heard the Wachowski brothers.. ohh excuse me! the now Wachowski sisters didnt do good
distant crystal
Wachowski siblings 😮
deft hinge
they both chopped it off
deft hinge
haha!
deft hinge
we have whirlwind tho
next exp prot warr is gonna be all whirlwind
when that happens im gonna chop it off and rename Jenna
blazing condor
mighty valley
yeah kindly asking you to shut the fuck up
grizzled lotus
NF gamers; do I delay AA 15 sec to line it up with Avatar
or just rip it if you want/need it
chilly brook
NF gamers; do I delay AA 15 sec to line it up with Avatar
Just rip it, avatar shouldn’t be a minute and a half CD anyways
chilly brook
At what key level
grizzled lotus
idk like 20s
HR just feels better for SB uptime
maybe unnecessary?
just run AM
chilly brook
Depends
grizzled lotus
rgr
grizzled lotus
yeah if it's just way more damage to have more Avatars then sure
also extra liberal use of Shield Wall is good
I'll give it a try
grizzled lotus
it's going to be exceptional in 9.2 right? with the tier set
like maybe even high keys still running AM?
grizzled lotus
Yeah that's my plan
chilly brook
Probably won’t be running necro in keys
mighty valley
necro seems like it'll be decent for keys but too stressful
too many button presses, i'll play kyrian and chill
but yeah i'd recommend AM up til real real high keys
chilly brook
In general Kyrian just likely is better in keys
grizzled lotus
my group needs NF for those dungeons but I can swap all 3
chilly brook
Or NF
grizzled lotus
probably won't even try Necro until double leggo exists
mighty valley
oh yeah, the BIS covenant is still gonna be the one the group doesn't have
grizzled lotus
Necro Raid for sure
grizzled lotus
oh here's a question
would you guys run Wall or Glory while waiting for double leggo in raid?
I was assuming Wall
mighty valley
reprisal
grizzled lotus
oh no way
mighty valley
well, depends on fights, but reprisal was best in like... all but a couple sanctum fights
chilly brook
Reprisal
mighty valley
i haven't studied sepulcher fights a lot but reprisal is better unless there's a compelling reason for a very short shield wall
chilly brook
I’d stay Kyrian until double Lego tbh
But if you’re going to run necro glory
Unless I absolutely need the survival from reprisal
grizzled lotus
mmk so for heroic week I'd probably just do NF or Kyrian/Reprisal then
then maybe swap to Necro later with double leggo and run Glory/Reprisal or Wall if yeah, there is some pressing need for a faster 2nd shield wall
I thought the bonus Avatar uptime was just better overall
really enjoying the Reprisal/HR/Devastator playstyle in M+ though
chilly brook
I mean if you enjoy it, and it's working, keep doing it
HR isn't exactly inting in 20s
grizzled lotus
mmk
hollow hill
Are there any good spreadsheets or data that people have compiled on the level of difference between prot warrior and other tanks right now? Got into an argument with someone who said that prot warriors are complete garbage compared to all other tanks, which is BS in my opinion
I know we have some big brain theorycrafters in here 🙂
dark lark
All tanks are good
No tanks are garbage
Pretty simple
Prot warrior still has a lot of value in raid with rally, intervene safeguard as a ghetto sac, execute dam, and eventually Necro banner buff. In m+ block nullifies a majority of incoming damage, and we do really good aoe damage
Whoever says prot warrior (or any tank) is garbage is a dumbass
dark lark
Yeah, but at the same time the people who you have to argue against probably aren't in the race to world first or pushing 28s+
And even then, RWF could potentially use Prot War if it fits their comp
pliant sage
I just like the clang sound when Shield Bash goes off. :)
mighty valley
^^ this is the strongest argument
also yes, most guilds who say "you must change class to improve our comp" aren't failing to prog because of comp lol
neat trout
i just like pressing charge with flame glyph
deft hinge
i’ve played prot warr and only prot warr since 2004, i have been trough all expansions. Yes prot feels weak this exp to a certain degree, you are more dependent on group to do its job then earlier. people often say its only noticeable when doing high-end keys, that is wrong in my opinion. you dont «suddenly» meet a wall were prot dont do it, if you are experienced with prot warr you can feel it long before that
but prot is still fun to play for me, eventhough all my friends is all about the meta, i am still here walking these halls
blazing condor
jagged pier
blazing condor
formal elbow
deft hinge
autumn palm
I played Protpala since 2005 and my raidlead now asked me to play protwarrior coz the lack of a melee warrior. So i agreed and now i'm playing Protwarr since 2 weeks. And man, it's a lot of fun. The toolkit of Protwarr is as good as the Paladin one. But it's more difficult to play, but i like this challange. So i hope u guys here are okay with a warrior newbie and excuse some hillarious questions if i can't find an answer by myself.
autumn palm
i log every raid i do to check out my performance, so this shouldn't be a problem 😄
jagged pier
you would be suprised
about 1% of ppl that say that actually have very little to work on
jagged pier
ionic fern
blazing condor
oh wait someone else logged it
too scared to look
actually nvm im dmb
leaderboard log
blazing condor
grats man!
blazing condor
too bad its not leap year
blazing condor
ask @jagged pier
ionic fern
jagged pier
he is dog with a crown
blazing condor
oh yeah soulbinds default back to #1 when you switch covs?
apparently been playing pelagos for a hwile
jagged pier
blazing condor
man its tough
kyrian one trick rust lord haven't played properly for months
too much to know smh my head
ionic fern
That's weird.
I had the same issue before but the last few times i logged on it diddn't default to Pelagos.
blazing condor
i think i just never changed back once i swapped back to kyrian
cus i just assumed it was on mik still
strong forum
blazing condor
literally me
jagged pier
oof we've seen a few of them
west walrus
A raid leader asking for a switch to prot warrior ? 
blazing condor
pog
west walrus
silver tangle
Do I realy play with the intervene legendary in m+?
jagged pier
yes
silver tangle
Hm, sounds like a shitty Playstyle kinda:(
blazing condor
it's not that bad really and it gives you way many more positive tings
more rage and more shield block
jagged pier
not really your thinking about it to much
silver tangle
Hm ok
jagged pier
its not even really that is charge u get SB
u use your 2 charges
by the time they run out u intervene into another SB
then the pack is dead
blazing condor
its a warrior leggo so its made for warrior players
meaning u only really need like 50iq to use it
silver tangle
Lol
deft hinge
when ur’e used to it its fun 🙂
west walrus
I like when my mates ask me "why are you jumping everywhere ?"
deft hinge
Weeeee!
tawdry dirge
Maybe in a borrowed Power again
blazing condor
use: store more pee
jagged pier
🤔
teal swift
Melvor idle is good fub
tropic linden
Need to finish the kortia campaing b4 9.2... Was postponing it while i could
And finish the necro campaing for the sick mog
tropic linden
What's the best convenant mog in your opinion?
deft hinge
holy crap! an armored gremlin
tropic linden
Last time I played it was I believe CN mythic
Gonna be back for 9.2?
strong forum
Na
somber sky
mythic cn transmog 
deft hinge
im at a diner, i told the waiter to give me something worthy a hungry prot warr. he went away and came back with this
somber sky
waiter knew what a prot war is? :0
dawn canyon
I like the neck thing
mellow bridge
what is that actually
deft hinge
y it was
tropic linden
Ppl should release games around my schedule. Elden Ring + 9.2 can't release that close
Smh my head
median tulip
mythic cn transmog <:blizzdesign:745704462613741648>
Castle Nathria everything is better than bloody SoD anything
tropic linden
9.2 will be good 
median tulip
autumn pendant
im at a diner, i told the waiter to give me something worthy a hungry prot warr....
Imma call you out and say you just threw menu back at waiter and said ye to everything
deft hinge
Imma call you out and say you just threw menu back at waiter and said *ye* to e...
desert was njumy! mmgood prot warr full, prot warr good
modern brook
Were just gunna let this go?
My guy sitting here eatin a full rack of ribs with a fork and knife.
jagged pier
got to keep the fingers clean for gaming
deft hinge
My guy sitting here eatin a full rack of ribs with a fork and knife.
fuck, i should have used my hands! im failure as prot warr /cry
craggy pilot
i thought theres covenant campaign skip in this patch? 🤔
west walrus
There is no campaign skip
You may get your soulbinds without doing the campaign if you already did it with another toon
west walrus
Mount in Torghast ?
craggy pilot
maw i mean sry
west walrus
Oh, that. You may skip many quests
craggy pilot
so whenever i switch to a new covenant on a toon with 80+ renown, i have to do entire campaign?
jagged pier
no?
when u get to the cov as part of the quest there like a dialog option of like ive done this before etc etc
jagged pier
I aint done them on my monk 🤷
strong forum
That's how I understood it
No shortcuts
Only shortcut is renown 40 item unlocks all soulbinds
craggy pilot
i just dinged 60 on this hunter, and now im going through the entire Kyr campaign, only skipping the Soulbinds
strong forum
Ye
jagged pier
yer u dont have to do it tho
craggy pilot
i cant do WQ in Maw yet
and i cant do legendaries
how do i skip it then @jagged pier ?
craggy pilot
did you get to Korthia also?
jagged pier
i believe so
jagged pier
craggy pilot
huge
ill check
boom
worked ❤️
weird that you have to talk to him again tho
thx @jagged pier
jagged pier
👍
craggy pilot
and i can mount ❤️
blazing condor
plush tendon
blazing condor
the game is at its best when you get to play as little as possible
craggy pilot
what lvl do i need to be to freely switch back and forth between covenants?
is it Renown 80?
strong forum
Ye
craggy pilot
ok, but only with 1?
strong forum
Need to reach 80 atleast once
craggy pilot
ok
strong forum
Idk if account wide or not tho
craggy pilot
just for some reason picked Kyr as hunter
craggy pilot
how will legendary work in 9.2? they will be upgradable higher than 262 right?
blazing condor
yush
craggy pilot
but i still need Soul Cinders?
blazing condor
Honestly no idea lol
Doubtful??
Itd feel weird to still go to ”the runecarver” and upgrade leggos with torghast stuff
Specially cus the runecarver is freed now
agile pumice
You need cinders to get them up to 262 but for the higher levels you just need the new patch currency
gleaming pecan
With the catch up gear being 226, I was thinking of rolling prot on my Necro warrior and trying to raid and push ksm, is Necro prot going to do okay or is it going to be hard to compete? Also being I don’t have a toon at 80 renown my warrior is lacking some serious conduits is that going to create a problem?
mighty valley
Necro prot is looking very good for raid, definitely more than good enough for KSM too
You get renown for doing most stuff so just start trying to do catchup stuff and it won't take that long to get to 80
gleaming pecan
Sounds good. I haven’t tanked in awhile and it seems waaaaay less stressful than holy priest. Well a different kind of stress at least
How impactful are conduits for prot? I know they’re good for arms which I’ve been playing but not game breaking? Also what is the best legendary combo?
mighty valley
Our conduits are among the least impactful so I wouldn't worry about grinding them up too much, they'll come to you
It's mostly gonna be Reprisal + covenant legendary
mellow bridge
you'll get the conduits at 265 through m+ naturally
so it's not a big deal if you dont have em
gleaming pecan
Where does reprisal drop? I can look in game later I’m just at work on lunch so I’m just trying to make plans ha
Also what slot should I craft it on? Is belt for covenant legendary good enough or does it need to go elsewhere when it comes
distant crystal
upper reaches torghast
If you're crafting it now probably boots
so it won't interfere with tier drops
upper reaches isn't open this week but you can do twisted corridors layer 3 and just keep leaving/rejoining until you get upper reaches
but i think you'd have to do a full layer 1 and 2 to unlock layer 3
ionic maple
Dusted off my prot Warr since 9.0 been doing low keys as necro with seismic to help with the dps since I'm pretty tanky as necro. Will this sustain at higher keys?
blazing condor
Depends on how good you are and what you define as higher keys. Deswind did like 20 with seismic?? But it's probably just safer overall to change to reprisal
Necro is fine - not the best but doesn't really matter
ionic maple
Thinking KSM next patch so 20s, but I guess there's still a few unknowns as far as next patch goes
blazing condor
For 15s seismic is definitely fine
but you only really gain damage so it's definitely more risky
ionic maple
Yeah, I just feel tanky already playing necro so I felt more dps wouldn't hurt
blazing condor
yeah and thats fine
seismic is more fun
but also more of a meme
play it til you feel like it's not viable anymore thats about it
mighty valley
you're definitely expecting your team to be doing their jobs well if you take seismic
ionic maple
Would emeni be better in m+ with her pustules ability?
urban portal
honestly play whatever man
but yeah emeni is the best
the thing about necrolord soulbinds is that they all kinda suck
ionic maple
And does the cov leggo extend the strength buff from her and the conduit?
mellow bridge
yea it extends the conduit
ionic maple
Nice
I remember about a year ago someone posted a flowchart about how damage goes through DRs and absorbs. Would it hit fleshcraft or IP first?
I know you block before it hits FC and I think reflects magic DR too
strong forum
i think fleshcraft goes before IP
strong forum
shouldve stayed unsubbed
strong forum
yeah execute is lacking indeed
blazing condor
i was capping rage kinda hard ngl
strong forum
ya
dawn canyon
tell that hunter he owns
oblique garnet
@blazing condor i hate your new name
blazing condor
if you got issues you have to take it up with Jakey
blazing condor
viral cove
I feel my damage as prot is lower than it should be.... help me out. 248 ilvl...but a few things. I just started to try to weave in executes on low targets (should I do this in aoe packs as priority or continue revenge etc?)...also..on single target should i revenge to not waste rage? Any other tips to maximize dps? On an AOE pack should I revenge as often as I can along with shield slam and thunder clap as possible?
M+ specifically of course.
chilly brook
Shield slam on cd
Revenj a lot
Even in single target
Execute on 3 targets or less iirc
Press TC for shield slam resets
Don’t sit on your CDs
Hit them as they come up
@viral cove
viral cove
Ok appreciate it. Definitely looking to improve @chilly brook .. I think more executes will be important to help push dps some. Currently I'm necro so I'm not as strong as Kyrian Forgelite prime... but still can do 5.5-6.0k overall dps in dungeons. I'd like to do 7k...
Also. Is Crit good to have higher? My haste is around 29%, crit at 12%, vers 17% and mastery 24%....should I push any stats higher? I try to wear as much haste/vers as I can.
chilly brook
Don’t worry about stats much
Haste vers is nice to have
Haste crit pumps a little harder
But overall you’re going to see the best results as far as damage and survival are concerned through getting better at pushing your buttons
Make good use of reprisal
urban portal
I feel my damage as prot is lower than it should be.... help me out. 248 ilvl.....
Execute if you need to hit prio targets
Executing the shard is infinitely more useful than revenging the pack on halls
gleaming pecan
What are some go to addons for tanking?
waxen orbit
#2 world ST damage to mythic KT on prot warrior
feelsgoodman
First kill too omegalul
Only #30 for the add pad tho
Had 2 boomies, an ele sham, and a fury warrior so didn't really have room for anything except single target damage
modern brook
ethical gamer thwump
waxen orbit
Would have actually been trolling if I padded on adds there with that comp
modern brook
i just meant #1 pull with no externals
modern brook
nvm ur a cheater
waxen orbit
nvm ur a cheater
Burst trinket
Ticking Sack is objectively better still
For ST
For consistent damage
I was using Whetstone because we were having weird phasing issues and the on-demand burst was a genuinely noticeable difference
jagged pier
Lol caring about a fight that gives no all star points
jagged pier
👋
waxen orbit
Lol caring about a fight that gives no all star points
Yea b/c I don't raid exclusively for parse gratification. Just felt good about doing well on a boss my guild just recently downed and felt like posting
blazing condor
i only raid for parse gratification 
waxen orbit
GUYS GUYS LOOK AT MY IO/ALL-STAR/CR
waxen orbit
Yea yall was talking about parses and I tried to join the conversation by discussing said topic kekw
I prefaced it with "it's only heroic" g
But like nice job disregarding context
feels2022man
Just let people be proud of accomplishments they earn; not sure why there's gotta be any sort of tension
Like yea mythic KT is p easy but nothing's wrong with positive emotion
blazing condor
mang chill it was a joke
if you think i'm genuinely tryna come after you then idk
waxen orbit
Naw I don't it's just a common thing in MMO communities
Ain't no offense taken tho sall g
blazing condor
aight good 
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blazing condor
bruh
ocean reef
jagged pier
quordles literally to big brain for me
formal elbow
waxen orbit
Oy btw before I go to bed j wanna clarify w everyone in this channel that if I disagree with any of y’all or debate, it don’t mean I got hard feelings or none of that. We’re all wrinkle brained prot monkeys here so it’s all love
I’m also high
Okay I doze
serene steppe
If I disagree with any of you I hate you and I want you dead
strong forum
Tru
valid violet
Hey guys I gotta ask what do you guys feel about current situation of Prot and 9.2 . Asking cause I’m thinking to reroll warrior for next tier and want to play all three specs
Both in raid and m+
strong forum
It'll be perfectly fine for all types and levels of content except the absolute world highest of keys
It's current spot in the m+ hierarchy won't change
We will be decently stronger in raid compared to now
But we will continue to be the least popular tank
trim bay
weed is a gate way drug man
lime urchin
I really don’t understand how every now and then people pop in this discord, ask about the state of protection warrior and then get the same answer as always, it’s viable, it’s not popular etc etc. Do these people then take this answer for granted to base on wether they will play a class? I highly suggest just trying different tonking specs and see which one you enjoy the most, and just play that.
trim bay
they would get told by other people that other classes are better which they probably are but less fun to play. its good though, every time they ask i read we are fine just not for world first or high keys
jagged pier
ppl are meta slaves, even tho they dont do any content where meta matters
they are just trying to find out what is 'meta'
👀
brittle owl
you keep forgetting half of the english alphabet soo
jagged pier
Nah thats just me and my dyslexic or however u spell it brain
strong forum
Dyson vacuum
brittle owl
are you actually dyslexic, have a literary impediment, or just straight up not care
jagged pier
I wasnt lying when i said at some point in school my reading age was 6 years behind
brittle owl
Dyson vacuum
dyson vacuums are legit
brittle owl
I wasnt lying when i said at some point in school my reading age was 6 years beh...
i find it extremely odd that you can read logs but not shitposts
jagged pier
logs are numbers
im good at numbers
i only got the reading and spelling bad part of dyslexia
strong forum
Proper nerd right there
jagged pier
im also, in the 99th percentile for pattern recognition or something like that which i shouldnt be good at
literal nerd just cant read or spell
strong forum
Like a good friend of mine, huge brain, but he switches up left and right 99% of the time
brittle owl
r34d d1$ d1ck
jagged pier
see mael because u grew up in the age of texting where numbers replaced sounds and letter i can read that
brittle owl
left right is a common mess up
jagged pier
phonics are king
brittle owl
see mael because u grew up in the age of texting where numbers replaced sounds a...
what you, a yellow name, don't understand is that i was testing a hypothesis
strong forum
He can also memorise entire movie scenes and dialogues for years and years after watching it
And I'm like "they said that?" literally after the movie ends
brittle owl
jakey is a 1337 sp34k native, confirmed
strong forum
jagged pier
what you, a yellow name, don't understand is that i was testing a hypothesis
yer i cant read context well ither tbh, do struggle with that
strong forum
Can't believe jakey is Sheldon
jagged pier
jagged pier
i wish i was that smart tbh
jagged pier
im about as socially awkard
strong forum
Naaah
brittle owl
ye it is
stoic ruin
ppl are meta slaves, even tho they dont do any content where meta matters
its not about meta, its about performance. Try to tank 20+key with bear and prot warrior. Druid is like "press two buttons to win" and prot is like "kick it pls or ill die". And im not talking about overall damage
strong forum
Naaah you trippin
brittle owl
it's like calling someone
jagged pier
its not about meta, its about performance. Try to tank 20+key with bear and pro...
in a +20 thats incorrect
brittle owl
dumb, arrogant, oblivious, autistic and gay in the same word
jagged pier
and druid is always 2 buttons
doesnt matter what content
warrior is and has always been more
strong forum
dumb, arrogant, oblivious, autistic and gay in the same word
I choose to ignore the bad sides. Ignorance is key
jagged pier
u just need to put more effort into warrior to get the sme result
strong forum
^
stoic ruin
not the same result
dawn canyon
But it has revenj
brittle owl
more effort is a misnomer tbh
dawn canyon
Thus better
stoic ruin
and not only you need to put effort - all party. You have only one kick
jagged pier
ive tanked 20s where no one has kicked
and its been fine
the same result as a druid pressing 2 buttons and no one intuprting
strong forum
Or fear, shockwave, intimidating shout
jagged pier
because thats 'too much effort'
brittle owl
how can you invoke "kick or i die" when talking about pware
jagged pier
Or fear, shockwave, intimidating shout
its too much effort nome its not 2 buttons
jagged pier
i swear to go the amount of ppl i see that insta shockwave a pack for no reason
and the amount of ppl that dont fear ever
REEEEEEEEEEE
west walrus
I made a macro to assign kicks priority to each one, people keep asking me "what is this WA, can you share it ?" 🤣
jagged pier
then say oh ppl not intuprting
strong forum
Like, if the outcome was this much different
How come there's a 3k warri
When apparently you die in 20s
jagged pier
dont lie NOME WARRIOR CANT DO 20s
because cant handle no interrupts
and is more than 2 buttons
brittle owl
you're both dangerously close to being cringe
strong forum
? Nah I'm just being real here
brittle owl
cringe
jagged pier
like legit mael we been dealing with it too much recently, its literally all real
and cringe
strong forum
It's true that bear is dumbfuck easy
And that you can literally play wrong and do 27s
Nerf is the best example
jagged pier
keyboard head smash
dawn canyon
Nerf is the best example
I have zero Bear exp, what's he doing wrong?
strong forum
He's ultra carried by his group
jagged pier
literally i clip of him on the first pull of NW, just using his head to play
autumn pendant
but i thougt he is good
strong forum
4 times.
autumn pendant
jagged pier
hes not
dawn canyon
I for a fact know
autumn pendant
Well you learn something everyday
dawn canyon
Noawh is a good bear
strong forum
Nerf is good at dungeons, but not at playing the classes he plays
jagged pier
same as alot of ppl who ppl actually follow for some reason
dawn canyon
Nerf is good at dungeons, but not at playing the classes he plays
Is he better on other classes in your opinion?
strong forum
Not rly no
brittle owl
who cares
strong forum
His vdh is ass, his warri in bfa was terrible
brittle owl
about an asian american midget
jagged pier
i only care when it effects me like the start of the expansion @brittle owl
brittle owl
?
jagged pier
kungen this kungen that
brittle owl
why does nerf affect you at the start of the expac
as opposed to
kungen max rads andy [insert popular streamer here]
strong forum
Well that's what he meant
jagged pier
i ment in general at the start we had a bad time
jagged pier
brittle owl
so you're welcome skyhold
lunar widget
Hey, will it be possible to craft the covenant legendary in any slot ?
strong forum
Not at first
Early on its only belt
Later on you can choose other slots, but idk if it can be any slot
lunar widget
Ok ty! I had hard time to understand how we could have the 4 TS bonus with both Reprisal and Kyrian Power in Legs&boots
Oh ok
Is it too soon to craft Reprisal on boots ?
strong forum
Ya, boots is the safer play
lunar widget
Why ?
strong forum
Cuz you might run into the situation where you need to equip the tierset in legs to get your 4set or even 2set
lunar widget
AH yeah, TS is not on boots, thanks for the information!
jagged pier
well u get belt and boots for leggos
actually not a bad combo at all
and belt and cloak for the wall combo as well
also good
boreal haven
Can't really decide which Leggo to craft. What's your Guys Experience in Therms of Fun? Reprisal or the Kyrian Leggo?
jagged pier
its pointless to craft a cov specfic leggo as we get the cov one from doing the new campaign in like 8 weeks time
tropic linden
i swear to go the amount of ppl i see that insta shockwave a pack for no reason
What's the optimal time to shockwave??
jagged pier
when u need it
that is a case by case bases
but just wasting it once u have everything stacked it dumb
like u can use it sync casts thats fine
but shockwaving for shockwavings sake is pointless
strong forum
With shockwaving at bad times you can actually kill yourself
jagged pier
strong forum
Cuz all auto attack swing timers will sync up
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
So you get hit by all mobs at the exact same time
tropic linden
but shockwaving for shockwavings sake is pointless
I was shockwaving to run away and charge
jagged pier
again there is no main case for using shockwave, you should use it when u need it
it can be used to sync casts up
but thats only useful on etherdives in SoA or the soul splits in Mists tbh
brittle owl
i shockwave to see the dust rise up
jagged pier
brittle owl
🧠
tropic linden
Hey @jagged pier , srry if i'm beeing dumb about it, but if i could put examples of good times to use shockwaves they would be:
- Interrupt
- Stop non interruptible casts
- Start kiting
- Drop necrotic stacks
I'm rlly new to prot, don't know when i need to use
teal swift
Don't DR other people's single target stuns as well, so plan around it.
No one hates anyone more than the fucking retarded havoc who aoe stuns a pack and dra all your big single target stuns into the ground
tropic linden
Don't DR other people's single target stuns as well, so plan around it.
I mostly pug, how can i pay attention to this?
tropic linden
So what are some examples that's a good time to Shockwave?
jagged pier
literally what ive said above and what you've listed my whole point is just dont use shockwave because u have it up
its something that should be used and only used when u need it
jagged pier
just walk lmao
brittle owl
🚶♂️ 
steel mist
@tropic linden speaking of when you can use shockwave, there is an add-on which you can select which spells can be shown on each party member to see their cooldown which is quite useful in pugs
strong forum
blazing condor
🐀 🕺
patent imp
do we skip sog in top ?
patent imp
if i would skip it, does the last boss of top would be more dangerous than last boss of spire ? or even ?
i ll just try
mellow bridge
if i would skip it, does the last boss of top would be more dangerous than last ...
reaping scythe is half physical half magical damage
it's not impossible to skip but it can be difficult
need to plan your CDs well
teal swift
Being another warrior@mellow bridge intervene and have them spell reflect every other one lmao
lime urchin
Just hit buttons
That’s the general advice here indeed
The mini-bosses take 45-60 seconds to kill?
Take that into consideration when thinking about skippin
mellow bridge
and soggodon power is very useful for the bosses
every boss downstairs murders your party on tyrannical
so having the shield is very good
frost is the standard skip in top
actually I think gorechop adds scale with fort for no reason so I guess it's just kultharok and xav
distant crystal
scythe's physical part must just get clobbered by block and small absorbs
cause when i reflect it my HP bar doesn't budge
lofty widget
it reflects the entire thing since the magic hits first
distant crystal
ah
mellow bridge
we can deflect/reflect physical stuff too
the dmg category isnt important
it's just a case by case basis for w/e reason
summer sand
What's the dps difference between a Kyrian BRM and a Kyrian Prot warrior for raid?
urban portal
That's a sim question
And brm can do absurd damage on farm
Just turn your back to the boss
summer sand
Just turn your back to the boss
Thanks!
urban portal
Fairly sure brm is the highest damage tank if you know how to cheese
karmic harness
Brm ?
chilly brook
Fairly sure brm is the highest damage tank if you know how to cheese
Partially why I stopped playing it, because I don’t like having to do absurd cheese to parse
tropic linden
you can see it in logs under dmg taken <@!281918255851896832>
Where in this img shows the dmg reflected?
lofty widget
you see the reflected ability, not reflect itself
so in this case it's reaping scythe
blazing condor
How do i know which one i reflected?
you can see on the "hits" column how many you reflected
distant crystal
you can do timeline view
blazing condor
also timelien
distant crystal
and see when each one was reflected
it is kinda annoying that you can see a cumulative "reflected total" for the whole boss/dungeon
lime urchin
you should be able to reflect every other reaping scythe
mellow bridge
How do i know which one i reflected?
if you filter the damage dealt to the boss it will obv only show the ones that you did reflect
modern brook
tfw still looking for my endless empress :^(
sweet summit
tropic linden
if you filter the damage dealt to the boss it will obv only show the ones that y...
Man, i'm rlly dumb, but how do i filter the dmg dealt to boss on the dmg taken page
?
mellow bridge
damage taken
all enemies
filter for the enemy you want to look at
and then look for the ability that you reflected
third ability is what i reflected
modern brook
bro PYROSCHLAG
mellow bridge
dont ask me why it's on German, a friend logged it lmao
mellow bridge
kek
tropic linden
you can see on the "hits" column how many you reflected
Hits is not how many times it hit you? Shouldn't be Cast - Hits the number u reflected?
blazing condor
man idk im not even invested in this convo at all
jagged pier
its seems like something dumb that doesnt need discussing
sweet summit
Xuen den Weißen Tiger beschwören
mellow bridge
youre just jelly
modern brook
Xuen den Weißen Tiger beschwören
Auslaufedner Animabeschleuniger
sweet summit
Brons Aufruf zum Handeln
ancient monolith
hey guys with 9.2 coming soon, where do you think we should craft reprisal and cov leggos?
sweet summit
reprisal on boots
modern brook
Unity is a seperate legendary from the cov leggos
sweet summit
don't craft cov lego until you can get unity
modern brook
reprisal likley on boot
sweet summit
and unity likely on belt
modern brook
yeah what erga said
ancient monolith
yeah I I wanted to refer the unity leggo haha my bad
modern brook
Brons Aufruf zum Handeln
gezackter knochenstachel
ancient monolith
because stats?
modern brook
legendary bracers is dweeb for sure
sweet summit
legendary on wrists are just wasted stats in my eyes
modern brook
isnt wrists also a possible tier slot?
sweet summit
no
modern brook
i dont know anything
sweet summit
head, shoulder, chest, gloves and legs
modern brook
oh so the good slots :/
sweet summit
yea
ancient monolith
I'm trying to have a unity leggo that doesn't interfere with arms' leggo EB which will stay on belt
a unity leggo that works both for prot and arms at least
modern brook
i mean
sweet summit
but ring works
blazing condor
head shoulders knees and toes (knees and toes)
sweet summit
but then secondary stats won't be perfect for one of the spec
i suppose you could do haste crit unity and that would be good for both
ancient monolith
i suppose you could do haste crit unity and that would be good for both
yeah
so ring would be the go to for unity in this case
sweet summit
i think that would be the best option for you yeah
urban portal
caring about stats is cringe
sweet summit
nah i need stats as a cope to why my dps is low
urban portal
so true
strong forum
Haste crit gang ww@
blazing condor
www.
sweet summit
windwalker dont want haste 
blazing condor
then why do they ask for BL on bosses then???
sweet summit
because they are dumb and stupid
strong forum
I am rosjen
modern brook
i am rosjen
sweet summit
i am rosjen
modern brook
sweet summit
strong forum
It does
tropic linden
Also dmg done to mobs?
urban portal
SR shows on details for sure
strong forum
SR showing on details is why we got destroyed from bfa to SL
tropic linden
Mine doesn't show on dmg done
ionic maple
So before secondaries, block chance scales with shield ilvl because block rating, does damage reduction from block still scale with shield ilvl?
sweet summit
block chance does not scale with shield ilvl
block rating is one of the pieces in the equation for damage reduction from blocked attacks
ionic maple
Ah. So it's a static base chance to block, but rating is for the reduction
sweet summit
idk the intricacies of block chance, i play warrior and we have 100% chance to block xd
ionic maple
Any idea what the reduction is for 278 shield?
sweet summit
for 9.2?
ionic maple
Yeah
sweet summit
do you know how much block a 278 shield has?
ionic maple
I was just poking around last night and was napkin mathing critical block stuff
ionic maple
do you know how much block a 278 shield has?
Nope
ionic maple
I appreciate it!
ionic maple
Have a fuzzy cow for the effort
ionic maple
More M+, but it should still matter for raid just scaled different for bosses
strong forum
raw block chance stems from mastery
you have 12% baseline
due to the K value increasing in 9.2, a 278 shield will result in roughly the same amount of DR as a 252 shield gives currently
so no changes there
ionic maple
Thanks. Yeah I was playing around with heirmir soulbind last night and noticed I get 975 mastery just from the bind and banner, was thinking about crit block chance and the ignore pain from tier and avatar all lining up
strong forum
its not really something you should think about
its there
it does smth
and thats about the extend that it matters
ionic maple
I was bored, so I was thinking about it
sweet summit
2257 / (2257+2785) = 0.447 (9.2 m+)
ionic maple
That's 44.7% before or after k value?
sweet summit
2785 is the K value
west walrus
It's capped at 85%
sweet summit
85% dr iirc
ionic maple
Good to know
modern brook
its worth noting that Shield wall is a 50% DR cooldown
west walrus
50%
modern brook
to get a stronger understanding of just how nuts shield block is for dealing with blockable damage
sweet summit
50%
modern brook
i have large fingers
sweet summit
bro i'm just slow today or what
modern brook
🌭
west walrus
Or older number in mind :p
blazing condor
i have large fingers
ionic maple
But it stacks, so 85% from crit block + shield wall= 7.5% dmg taken (minus armor)