I guess eventually you'd want unity helmet
#protection
azure tusk
What trinkets are you running? I'm farming the DOS trinket. I read that the PF phial is second choice for prot warriors, but I'm not sure about that, especially since I got a 252 decanter, and I also got the Faulty Countermeasure trinket at 246
dawn canyon
Do you have the 9 Trinket?
azure tusk
Nope, none of the raid items at the moment since I didn't raid on my warrior this season (and also couldn't find a raid)
Only running M+ right now
dawn canyon
Decanter 252 seems like a fine option
Ideally you try snag the 9 Trinket though.. It's arguably better than scale
azure tusk
So the secondary trinket is really just about additional DPS, nothing directly related to stats or defensive capacities?
dawn canyon
If you dont need the Trinkets to live you use them for damage yea
azure tusk
Aight, cheers
dawn canyon
Gl with the scale!
mellow bridge
So the secondary trinket is really just about additional DPS, nothing directly r...
well partially yes
but there simply isnt a good defensive trinket from M+ besides scale
it's better to run a good dps trinket than a really shit defensive trinket cuz of that
azure tusk
Alright, thanks
pliant sage
So I'm reading the pins and the image of how to multispec Arms and Prot in mechanicos has me confused. I'm not great at reading the pathing on the Soulbind tree but is the only change at the start then Prot goes with Arms the rest of the way to the bottom?
mellow bridge
Unless you're giga lazy
Just ignore the double pathing
It was for when we still had conduit energy
Just check out what the optimal trees are for both specs and change accordingly
pliant sage
Oh. I left in September of last year and I'm trying to catch up on stuff
mellow bridge
You can change conduits whenever now
No limitations
Except for being at the forge
pliant sage
Can you change the stones without destroying them? (Whatever the socket able items are called)
Or maybe I'm misremembering that. I barely interacted with the system
mellow bridge
Domination sockets?
Yea you can change them with an item from korthia
Smth with chisel
Costs like 1k stygia or smth
pliant sage
Alrighty are the chisel consumed or is it like a key item that lets you do it forever?
pliant sage
Sweet. Is there a central list of 'x, y, z' grinds that need to be done for current patch? I'm behind af and don't really know where to pick up
strong forum
dont bother
new patch releases in 2 weeks
and everything from current patch will be irrelevant
mellow bridge
Yep
pliant sage
Oh thank christ
strong forum
you could slave away in korthia and try your luck at domination sockets from raid
but it would be a massive waste of time
mellow bridge
I guess you can just farm some gear in m+ to have an easier start next patch if you wanna do something
strong forum
the only thing you can/should do is farm renown
mellow bridge
I'm not sure if you need to have done the campaign once?
pliant sage
Apparently I have a huge amount of covenant renown to farm.
pliant sage
I've got a Horde warrior at 40 renown but it was locked into Necrolord and I kept getting actually laughed at
strong forum
love horse warriors
mellow bridge
Necro will be good next patch
At least for raiding
Kyrian is the best all around choice tho
pliant sage
I want to do more dungeons, I just love Necro asthetics
mellow bridge
You can do necro, it's fine too
pliant sage
For the Prot/Arms split I want it looks like Night Fae will do best
mellow bridge
Arms can do both nf and kyr afaik
Get one covenant to 80
Then you can buy an item that instantly gets you to 40 for the others
pliant sage
I'm not doing anything too difficult so any covenant will be fine. It's just xmog to my characters
mellow bridge
And you can freely swap in oribos whenever you want
pliant sage
Oh, that's nice
strong forum
once youre 80*
mellow bridge
Quickest way to farm renown is torghast layer 9 spam if you don't mind the grind
Until it stops dropping, then you go up a layer
World bosses give a lot too
pliant sage
Yeah, what brought me back is removal of faction gating so I can actually play Alliance and form ...groups. I'm leaving an baby warrior rn but doing research to know what to do with it
I don't think I've done crap with Torghast since launch. That's going to be a grind
Anyway thanks for the help. Right now I just need to cap the Warrior and farm Renown/Torghast until (and likely into) 9.2
formal elbow
which sec stats should i put on the reprisal leg? and better craft on legs bec. more stats hm?
strong forum
haste + vers/crit
whichever you prefer
boots will be better for 9.2 because tierset will be likes on legs aswell
pliant sage
haste + vers/crit
Does this make PVP gear worth it at low ilv?
formal elbow
boots will be better for 9.2 because tierset will be likes on legs aswell
thank you pal, but its not sure which t-part we get first hm? and legs give more stats right?
strong forum
yeah but imagine this
pliant sage
I'm just thinking of ways to actually gear while affording legendary base materials. When I was playing it cost an arm and a leg for the leggo items
strong forum
you have 3/4 pieces
4th piece is legs
now you have to recraft legendary on boots
to get both the set and legendary
crafting it on legs is a gamble now
if you have alot of gold it doesnt matter
formal elbow
na but got the leg piece alrdy..^^ but its not my main..so it is not that imp 🙂 but thx for advise
lusty ember
so head chest and legs put the most stats on your leggo, right? once we can craft cov legendaries in any slot, is there gonna be an optimal slot for them? one of those three slots but around your tier?
distant crystal
tier helm has the worst stats
so prob there
guess it depends if the ilvls are normalized too, if last 3 drop higher ilvl tier it might change that
teal swift
dawn canyon
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craggy pilot
what is our go to setup in 9.2 for M+?
Reprisal+NF / Kyrian leggo?
craggy pilot
is NF leggo more dps than Kyr leggo?
blazing condor
don't know. It's probably quite close but EM is gonna be nice with seismic
gotta ask the smart people for that cus i aint doing nerd math
craggy pilot
ah for the rage pump
urban portal
Warrior has no double leggo synergies
tame jasper
iam even going to say we dont even need a 2nd one, cause its only gives aup a bit damage
tame jasper
i would prefer more defensive yeah
jagged pier
yes because glory isnt a big defensive gain in anyway at all
and isnt made broken by the synergy of repisal or the wall
strong forum
Set + double legendary only doubles our rage income, no biggie
quick elk
Things are quiet on the prot warrior front. Several videos and streams all saying . Prot is fine but lagging behind the rest. Playing prot regardless.
But is it true?
strong forum
the position we're in isnt changing
except that we'll become better in raid
we have the only setbonus that doesnt scale into multi target situations as much as other tanks, so in that regard we will be behind yes, but just as capable to do any meaningful content except the very highest of keys
quick elk
Thanks for the details , understand it a bit more now.
quiet mauve
something i am noticing is that we dont have any healing as prot warr compared to other tanks
blazing condor
We don't rely on healing the same way as other tanks either
instead of making up for damage taken by big heals/absorbs/whatever we simply just mitigate damage instead
brittle owl
something i am noticing is that we dont have any healing as prot warr compared t...
you can think of pwarr as the polar oposite of DK. warr mitigation is entirely proactive, whilst bdk is entirely reactive
west walrus
something i am noticing is that we dont have any healing as prot warr compared t...
Ignore pain, Indomitable, Last Stand
And Victory Rush 
Small, but it is there
wispy tapir
west walrus
Use Spell reflection on adds 👀
hollow hill
Is it better to use fleshcraft just before a boss fight or should you try to time it as a defensive cooldown during the fight?
plush tendon
I would just use it
if you are playing emeni, use it on CD
unless you are saving it for a time when you need DR and you aint in melee
hollow hill
So pop it before the fight and then use it on cd in the fight then?
plush tendon
yea
hollow hill
Yea that was kinda my thought as well
plush tendon
the 20% DR is nice, but like we are tanks and should have a defensive ready for when we need to use it
hollow hill
having a chonky damage shield going into a fight would be handy
plush tendon
and it eats up a couple of globals to channel
which means less rage
but the damage gain from emeni makes it worth to channel
during fight
hollow hill
Ah yea i'm going marileth because kevin is a chad
plush tendon
Kevin is pretty swag
Been big on Kevin since the start of the tier
Plague Devisor is same thing though, keep flesh craft on CD for the mastery
or any other buff you can steal from the dead bodies
plush tendon
What buff do you get from dead boomies that dont do mechanics cuz "im ramping"
tank dps
though, to be fair, if you are a running a boomie and they are ramping, everyone else should be doing everything in their power so they dont have to do mechs
west walrus
I am testing a guild tonight, RL said "Well, warrior and DK is not the best tank combo but we are not aiming world first so it's fine, I don't care"
plush tendon
I am testing a guild tonight, RL said "Well, warrior and DK is not the best tank...
a man of culture I see
plush tendon
Theres only a small % of players where class composition matters (unless you need certain util for a boss life Mass Dispell or Grips)
For everyone else.... play what you want
just be good at what you are playing
distant crystal
i've made this contrarian take before but I still kinda agree with it, comp matters for everybody if you're doing content that's hard for you and your group
even if it's content that a lot of people would consider easy, if it's hard for you then any advantage you can get will help
mental scarab
This man is right 
some ppl think 20 keys are easy But alot of people feel that 15s are hard,
Like the top % thing raider io put up for S2
Im 2222 rio and that was in the top 10%? I think
Thats not a super high rating
distant crystal
sounds about right
mental scarab
I have done pugs for the weekly 15 with alot of people that dont know the basics of the game, its weird for well us but yea 🤷🏼
Dont know of they are bad or cant learn it
grim hare
Hows prot looking in M+ in 9.2
fringe folio
Same situation for m+, better in raid, aesthetically awesome as always
grim hare
How high can they comfortably tank.
blazing condor
define comfortably
blazing condor
in theory they can pretty much do any key that the other tanks can but at the highest keys it's just not worth to bring them
highest pwarr key tanked is like a 29 right?
dawn canyon
Yuh
blazing condor
I dig the new name crowndog man
grim hare
Can I do above 20s without giving my healer stress injuries
dawn canyon
29 TNW
blazing condor
Can I do above 20s without giving my healer stress injuries
yes
dawn canyon
Just cant do andybrew keys
chilly brook
Can I do above 20s without giving my healer stress injuries
No because your healer is an idiot to begin with
Joking aside
How solid you feel honestly is going to be very dependent on how good your healer is as the content gets harder
grim hare
Do they still do ridiculous amouts of damage or has it been toned down
chilly brook
I’ve felt like an invincible thunder god with good healers that claim they don’t need to heal me much and in the same content I’ve felt like paper with bleh healers
You can do big damage in lower keys
grim hare
So is it still shield block or physical hits and ignore pain for magic damage, or is ignore pain the rage dump regardless of damage type
chilly brook
In higher keys you’re going to sacrifice damage to run heavy repercussions though
chilly brook
So is it still shield block or physical hits and ignore pain for magic damage, o...
Both?
Shield block for anything you can block, IP when you think you need it or to not overcap rage
grim hare
Im new to prot. Main swapping warrior from druid, raid leader wants another dps warrior in raids and I like tanking keys as guardian. Whats going to be the biggest learning curve in that swap
chilly brook
You don’t get to ignore everything every 3 minutes?
Lol
Probably proper use of shield block
Getting used to playing like a spaz with reprisal
distant crystal
teaching healers that it's 100% their reponsibility to make your hp go up
grim hare
Hoe the hell do you use reprisal well. Heroic Leap to charge back?
chilly brook
Your job is to make their job ez
blazing condor
Hoe the hell do you use reprisal well. Heroic Leap to charge back?
intervene on CD - leap > charge - stun > charge - back off a bit and charge
distant crystal
leap/charge, intervene a friend and charge back in
distant crystal
walk away during cast, charge back in
next copper
Hoe the hell do you use reprisal well. Heroic Leap to charge back?
Intervene. Slows and CC setups so you can get charge range without needing heroic leap.
chilly brook
I mean you can get into charge range without needing heroic leap anyways
Thunderclap slow is enough to get away from mobs even without crackling thunder
sturdy sable
teaching healers that it's 100% their reponsibility to make your hp go up
This
grim hare
I have a lot to learn lol
So whats the best covenant going to be for raid and M+. Ive been my guilds flex tank this tier so I might end up doing it again in 9.2
Want to ve prepared
distant crystal
i prepped kyrian and NL
but prob gonna grind up NF and venthyr too
cause fuggit
chilly brook
Specifically necro with double Lego
distant crystal
tuning might happen and suchh
chilly brook
NF is a good secondary for m+
Since you control the mobs it should be easy to keep them in your AA
grim hare
Is reprisal the go to for both content?
distant crystal
reprisal and wall for some weird cases
seismic for padding in keys
and leaper for the memes 😄
blazing condor
and leaper for the memes 😄
grim hare
Alright awesome ty for the info. Im sure ill be back with a million more questions. Yall have been very helpful
distant crystal
that's huge for anybody really but ya
can't really check on your mitigation with details, logs are required for that
grim hare
Oh should revenge ever be used with rage or ks that a waste
chilly brook
Log your keys
This 100% log your keys and your raids it’s the easiest way outside of recording yourself for us to give you help @grim hare
dawn canyon
Revenj is big
chilly brook
Oh should revenge ever be used with rage or ks that a waste
Revenge unless you need IP
grim hare
Wait doesnt shield block also need rage
dawn canyon
Yes
dawn canyon
Dont worry, pwar generates a lot of rage if you press shieldslam on cd
distant crystal
shield block is your best rage spender 99% of the time but it has a recharge cooldown
grim hare
Should I use be using SB on cooldown or is there specific stuff in keys I need to know aboht
dawn canyon
You only use it on packs where you can actually Block something
distant crystal
If you're getting melee'd, basically
and sometimes you'll want to save for a big tankbuster type hit, you'll get a feel with practice
dawn canyon
Dont use it on the obliterators in HOA for example
grim hare
What about IP. Its very expensive. Should that be up as often as possible?
distant crystal
it's kinda your lowest prio for spending
don't sacrifice shield block for it if there's mobs meleeing you
lofty widget
IP is your defensive rage dump, so you use it if you are gonna overcap rage or are taking big dmg
chilly brook
What about IP. Its very expensive. Should that be up as often as possible?
Like I said IP if you think you need it or if you need to not overcap
IP is kinda feelycraft
In the respect that you need to gauge your own damage intake and the ability of your healer
distant crystal
it's off gcd too so can be a little more versatile as an overcap avoider
chilly brook
If your healer is struggling use it more
If not revenj
From last tier buuut
Clearly it’s not that necessary
The tldr on IP is it’s there to help smooth damage
It’s not mitigation
If you try to rely on it like that you’re going to have a bad time
If there is magic damage incoming that’s actually dangerous dedicate a CD to it
distant crystal
in keys I use it a lot when I see like a bolt going off at me or something
since it's off gcd I can always hit it
idk if that's actually good to do, it's usually my #1 heal in overall 😮
grim hare
idk if that's actually good to do, it's usually my #1 heal in overall 😮
Isnt that like, your only "heal" outside leech
irs not even a heal its a shield but its not
distant crystal
grim hare
If there is magic damage incoming that’s actually dangerous dedicate a CD to it
Why is that dangerous
distant crystal
bear in mind i'm like 230 ilvl tanking keys i prob shouldn't 😮
dawn canyon
Why is that dangerous
Cant Block magic damage
So your main defensive (sb) doesnt do anything
ancient siren
Still kyrian for 9.2?
grim hare
Cant Block magic damage
He said using IP against magic damage is dangerous
And to dedicate a CD to it
I dont get why
strong forum
he means
if theres an actual dangerous mechanic, you allocate CDs for it
he doesnt mean using IP is dangerous
"If there is magic damage incoming that’s actually dangerous, dedicate a CD to it"
but yeh
IP alone isnt gonna do much
gotta layer it
grizzled lotus
Reprisal on boots is the safe craft now right? Can stay on Legs if you get the other 4 tier pieces or whatever but Unity belt + Reprisal boots/Wall cloak is fine yeah?
zealous epoch
Hey all. Prepping for 9.2. For legendaries is it Reprisal and Unity for all content?
Or is Wall going to be relevant?
And I’m assuming Necro for Raid and M+?
jagged pier
Reprisal on boots is the safe craft now right? Can stay on Legs if you get the o...
should be fine yes
jagged pier
Hey all. Prepping for 9.2. For legendaries is it Reprisal and Unity for all cont...
wall maybe in raid on some fights, like now and necro in raid, kyrian or Nf in m+
zealous epoch
Oh wow. NF?
grizzled lotus
Yeah NF slaps
zealous epoch
Are we talking Aftershock on huge packs over Spear?
jagged pier
NF is already the same / a tiny bit more damage than kyrian
just the NF leggo is better than the kyrian leggo for us
blazing condor
the DoT from Natures Fury is as long as they stand in it or?
or does it just apply a dot
never touched NF lol
jagged pier
Well its stacking and they have to be in it, but whos stacking crit at the start of the patch
blazing condor
crit > ilvl 🙂
jagged pier
Depends i mean if your higher keys where mobs stay alive longer yer
I mean both leggos are kinda arse lets be honest
For us anyways
But NF has koryan who is busted dont forget
If u could get koryan with EM leggo now that
blazing condor
jagged pier
That would be somthing
blazing condor
any soulbind who scales high asf with the cov leggo/tier?
like has particular synergy
jagged pier
No really just he same synergy now really
blazing condor
fun 
blazing condor
i'll probably buy gametime again this week cus friend is gonna start again
guess i'll just slave Necro
blazing condor
jagged pier
U seemed too at one point
waxen orbit
Tank logs be pretty shplonky ngl
Plus I get to actually play tank for my raid comp next patch so no more fury offspec shenanigans
I can finally go back to damage parsing on glorified mythic training dummies
pliant sage
Oh boy honey it’s time for 3 hours of speed running Torghast for renown
I'm dreading this. :(
waxen orbit
Yea
grizzled lotus
Then you gotta graduate to 12?
waxen orbit
I just do 12 no matter what and speed run straight to the end
If you’re fully geared it’s no problem
Just focus down the layer boss and cleave onto adds
Rinse repeat
If you really wanna be efficient, invis belt/invis pot to skip big packs that’ll slow you/reduce your damage/inconvenience you
Doing that my record for a layer 12 soulforges was 4 minutes 17 seconds
Could’ve probably gone faster but terrain and layer design likely inhibited that speed
Layer 12 grants 100% renown to my recollection
pliant sage
I stopped playing in 9.05 so I didn't even do much Torghast.
Apparently I have a decent grind to max renown on one covenant
waxen orbit
I haven’t touched Torgh since August when I maxed out all my covs
But yeah you got a ways to go unfortunately
You can buy the 40 renown skip on all other covs too
pliant sage
That's what the Arms chat said to do. Cap one and buy 40 on the rest
waxen orbit
Yea
hardy viper
Have tanked a lot on monk this patch, but because i dislike WW and love fury and arms. Ill gear as protection, and at the moment im doing some +15 to get use to the spec. At first it felt difficult with the many offensive and defensive buttons and playing with reprisal there is always something to press compared to the monk. But after some keys it feels very engaging. The DPS is great aswell 6+k i most keys, even more than my similarly geared monk. Getting our tierset + elysian might will be monstrous in pure dmg. Looking forward to playing prot next patch thats for sure! 10k+ overalls will be easy to hit. Guess prot pala will have insane dmg aswell
blazing condor
it's fun
you can pump 10k+ damage already so we're just gonna be even bigger pumpers next patch
but so will everyone else
hardy viper
Yeah, seam like all tanks will get a huge bump in dmg.
chilly brook
I just do 12 no matter what and speed run straight to the end
Doing 9s really is the most efficient
hardy viper
Will we play with Unstoppable Force instead of ravager with tierset along with anger management?
lofty widget
TC hits like a wet noodle so doesnt really make sense to spend half our globals pressing it in avatar
hardy viper
Really like ravager so fine by me
I played some prot in BFA so remember that feeling
grizzled lotus
Ravager is like a bigger badder Death and Decay that tracks
blazing condor
It spins
hollow hill
So if I was to do Kyrian for M+ and necro for raids, would it be sensible to switch covenants to necro for raid nights and stay as kyrian the rest of the time, or is that stupid?
hollow hill
Oh I thought you had to do like a quest chain or something to swap back
hardy viper
It was removed fortunately
dawn canyon
We are free of it
hollow hill
That's fantastic news
dawn canyon
Fuck that System
Oh yes
Also if you get one to 80
You get to skip to 40 for the other 3
And keep the transmog/mounts
hollow hill
So I can get my renown to 80 with necro and then tell them to bugger off until raid time, love it
hollow hill
And Bastion is purdy
hardy viper
With the right setup necrolord can be good in keys aswell? but for average pugs kyrian for better agroo and such?
dawn canyon
Pretty bright yea
hollow hill
I haven't done any keys yet as NL but I'm sure it wouldn't be too much harder, just missing out on spear or ancient aftershock for aoe control
blazing condor
Its fine for sure
blazing condor
9.0 venth plka pog
hardy viper
If u can give the mastery to a MM hunter + fury warr it would be pretty sick 😄
hardy viper
Boomie aswell 😄
hollow hill
Fastest way to farm renown is torghast spam right
hardy viper
Doing the weekly 1000 anima + worldbosses is the fastest 3 reknown on a weekly timer, do covenant callings aswell
hollow hill
Yea I always do those
hardy viper
Just remember to pick up the 1000 anima before u kill the 2 world bosses who gives the 500 each. I forgot, more than once 😄
hollow hill
Haha yea I've done that on more than one occasion
sweet summit
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west walrus
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grim hare
Korthia weekly gets a renown as well. Super quick to do that. World boss gives 25% and the covenant assaults give renown as well as either 10 or 15%. The korthia dailies also fill the 1000 anima shit super fast
pliant sage
So kinda dumb question but Arms doesnt seem to have the best time in Torghast. I plan on doing Torghast stuff solo, is Prot a better choice than Arms starting out?
modern brook
You should be able to pull the entire floor on any if the 3 specs
Arms probably the fastest, prot likely thr easiest
pliant sage
You should be able to pull the entire floor on any if the 3 specs
That's great, I'm more practiced in Prot than Arms anyway
urban portal
Sounds about right
waxen orbit
distant crystal
MOP timewalking M+ WHEN
deft hinge
Make Ubrs great again m+
blazing condor
All of BRD in one m+ dungeon
sweet summit
keep ur bad opinions to urself dog
blazing condor
That was just a statement
sweet summit
terriblr
blazing condor
I am sorry, Erga. 
ocean reef
Erga toxic from the morning..
sweet summit
blazing condor
He let the bed bugs bite
jagged pier
deft hinge
for those who’s tested 9.2; we gotta weakaura Outburst, but is it a must to weakaura Seeing Red aswell? i’ve used HR and not AM sofar, so going AM makes managing SB more work then usual. And on top of that if Necro will be a thing we have to manage bruce banner uptime aswell. thinkin about it makes my balls inflate, more then usuall when im stressed 😂
sweet summit
seeing red and outburst would be something you'd track yeah
deft hinge
kk
sweet summit
doubt you'd play necro in keys, so you don't have to worry about that
jagged pier
tracking banner uptime isnt really a thing, if u play correctly its up 100% of the time
pretty easily
sweet summit
oh yea, you'd only track banner cooldown tbh
jagged pier
i think @ionic fern went like 10 mins with only cast banner at the start something stupid like that
sweet summit
fossil mountain
Is there much prospect of us playing anything but Devastator in 9.2?
jagged pier
nope
sweet summit
no
fossil mountain
Cool. I like it. So chill
1 more question if i can. Just starting leveling in shadowlands and doing dungs. Quite often i feel like i cant stop capping rage. I have SB and IP up and spam revenge but cant get rid of it
am i doing something wrong?
sweet summit
happens on pull if you pop everything (avatar, ravager, spear etc) but you just dump excess rage into ignore pain. as long as you don't overcap anything, no rage is wasted since anger management gives you cdr through rage spent + ignore pain stacks twice (just absorb cap)
jagged pier
also your lvling so things dont hurt IP wont go down so theres no need to refresh all the time, but u just also no actually be spamming revenge as much as u think
we see it all the time 'im doing x, y and z' we see a log and its the complete opposite
jagged pier
sweet summit
valentines day is not real
strong forum
Woah
deft hinge
💋
blazing condor
all i got was a happy valentines guys from A dog with a crown
Tf you mean ”all i got” ungrateful ass
I take it back
Sad valentine
jagged pier
😭
sweet summit
uheldigt
minor helm
uheldigt
modern brook
Happy valentines day @sweet summit 💓 💗 💛 💖
sweet summit
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wraith kestrel
what's the second best soulbind for kyrian?
jagged pier
it doesnt matter u run mik its free to swap conduits just run mik all the time
blazing condor
Mikanikos
robust rover
what's the second best soulbind for kyrian?
I follow the PIN to swap from Fury(or Arms) and Prot in Mika without soulbind changes. It's a bit outdated, as I typically do not run Ashen, but Bone. I just have to remember to move the pathing when I spec change
jagged pier
i mean u dont need to follow that anymore
that was made when u couldnt swap for free
now u can
robust rover
True, I still like it though
gleaming swan
deft hinge
all prot warr feelings matters here bro, let it out
lime urchin
jagged pier
Wish my feelings mattered to someone
they matter to me bro 🫂
strong forum
Bro
blazing condor
Yellow names matter
jagged pier
one day maybe A dog with a crown will be yellow 
jagged pier
modern brook
Wish my feelings mattered to someone
Should I play lost ark
It doesn't like... look interesting
It looks like diablo
Idg the hype
strong forum
It's the combat and boss design mostly
And the fact that alts actually aren't cucked by artifical time gating walls
pliant sage
https://tenor.com/view/hug-bros-bro-code-dude-bro-hug-gif-15039924
awww
strong forum
And alts further improve your main
strong forum
Prolly a bot afk
covert shell
best covenant for offensive protection tank ?
storm glen
tbh i think lost ark suffers from a few issues-- but, genderlocked classes kinda suck
sweet summit
nf m+
necro raid prolly
covert shell
ty
modern brook
Be ungovernable
I was going to make a usa joke but discord fucking got me so i guess this is all i have now
🌭
I could rally go for a good dog now ngl
May i suggest
a FATTY bec
sweet summit
🌭
jagged pier
🌭
distant crystal
lot of glizzies in chat today
modern brook
same dog 😦
jagged pier
<:sadge:820202363359854633>
strong forum
jagged pier
modern brook
this is cold
jagged pier
@strong forum queue check
west walrus
👑 🌭
modern brook
King The Royal Glizzy is such a vibe
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> queue check
Should be like 2kish,im not home yet
deft hinge
wtf are all prot warrs single or what
modern brook
im married to @sweet summit i tihnk
sweet summit
yea
jagged pier
Should be like 2kish,im not home yet
jagged pier
I sitll dont play on eu servers tho :/
modern brook
literlaly looking for an eu job ngl
jagged pier
😮
modern brook
tryna expatriate
jagged pier
modern brook
moving to EU just before WWIII
we prefer the term wwii-2
indigo bramble
Hey guys, I'm wondering what haste and versatility % I should aim for
lofty widget
vers% doesnt matter
indigo bramble
Ok
distant crystal
verse is only needed if you're a nerd iirc
indigo bramble
The WoW Head guide places Vers% just below Haste but doesn't really say "it doesn't matter"
jagged pier
stats really dont matter at all tbh they contribute about 1% of your suitability, most is your own play
modern brook
The WoW Head guide places Vers% just below Haste but doesn't really say "it does...
More stats > good stats so generally you just go for ilvl
jagged pier
u got for ilvl because of main stat bull
modern brook
When you're officially capped you prioritize haste>verse =crit
jagged pier
u should know this by now
indigo bramble
stats really dont matter at all tbh they contribute about 1% of your suitability...
Yes, obviously, but all things being equal I'd prefer to make the right gear choice 😉
modern brook
u should know this by now
Yah. more str
tawdry dirge
any idea how the tierset and double lego will place us in m+ tierlist?
modern brook
"Not prot pally"
tawdry dirge
yeahhhhh 😄
indigo bramble
Alright. But then would the 9.2 tier set bonuses maybe change the orders of things? As in, it might be better to get less STR but get the set bonus?
jagged pier
dont for get that
tawdry dirge
i thought so its so sad we need buffs in dps imo
distant crystal
There's always the feral druid/shadow priest noslave2themeta groups
modern brook
I mean prot dps is nutty tbh
jagged pier
Alright. But then would the 9.2 tier set bonuses maybe change the orders of thin...
like dom sockets now adays they will be prioritized but as u can put tier set on pieces later it will be highest ilvl
modern brook
Nah even reprisal damage is respectabk3
indigo bramble
i thought so its so sad we need buffs in dps imo
I want better CDs, Raznal is annoying without BoP 😦
jagged pier
but u loose alot of defesive value taking it like now
jagged pier
Nah even reprisal damage is respectabk3
ive seen the logs not for most ppl
modern brook
ive seen the logs not for most ppl
Yeah most people suck at this class tho
jagged pier
modern brook
Like don't get me wrong
Reprisal damage is lower than the silliness that seismic gives
And both don't compare to the stupid shit that prot pally and other tanks can do in cds
But iunno idt damage buffs are needed
Just like. Let us do something that isn't reprisal
Or maybe give us a reason to do something thay isn't reprisal
dawn canyon
shit ton
modern brook
A lot yeah
jagged pier
yer i wanna number
dawn canyon
best dam lego also = best survivability lego
modern brook
yer i wanna number
I can dig through logs later today
But I don't play the spec cause I have self respect
modern brook
damage wise
Probably in overall for sure
dawn canyon
korayn seismic sacrifices much more compared to mika divine resonance
indigo bramble
They also self heal a lot
dawn canyon
prot pal lego bis for dam and survivability in keys
indigo bramble
Wouldn't it be thematic to have a gimmick around reflecting blocked damage?
dawn canyon
tank revenge prolly never coming back
indigo bramble
Our physical mitigation is great, maybe they could but a dps gimmick around that ; ie: the better you are at using your physical resistance rotation the more damage you do
maybe a damage shield or something
tawdry dirge
yeh i am really in a woggle if i go back to pala or stay warrior
warrior is so great fun but compared to the pala u miss out so much utility
and dmg ^^
tropic linden
Necrotic reduces IP?
sweet summit
ye
tardy sequoia
today I started playing the game again after a month of pause. I was totally excited of speaking again with my guildmates but they told me to change class because protection literally sucks. Is is true or the usual bias?
mighty valley
your guildmates suck
tardy sequoia
That's true I don't plan of changing class, period.
mighty valley
are your guildmates pushing +27 keys?
modern brook
your guildmates suck
yeah this
tropic linden
are your guildmates pushing +27 keys?
Or going for RWF
tardy sequoia
definitely not lol they're talking about mythic raiding
mighty valley
you can definitely mythic raid fine + you bring a rally
tardy sequoia
honestly, i dont want to change class, even if they told me I should because there are too warriors, even DPS
modern brook
honestly anything sub ~world 500
your class genuinely does not matter
especially in the tank slot
tardy sequoia
there have been cases, the other tank was told to level up a Blood DK just for the mass grip in dormazain
but in general agree, I fear they're just being assholes
jagged pier
honestly anything sub ~world 500
its anything sub 50
blazing condor
Bullfango huell babineaux confirmed
tardy sequoia
its anything sub 50
you know the one who told me to is a person who change character once or twice every patch cycle just because tier list has changed and wants to play the absolute first
wild hemlock
Just like. Let us do something that isn't reprisal
i just pray for 10.0 they fix our base class so were not bandaided with reprisal
tame jasper
what do you think about the shields in 9.2? vigilant guardian with increased block value but no secondaries skolex with haste/versa ?
(i mean ofc at the atm lords with higher ilvl, but will take a while on mythic to get it ;D )
wild hemlock
https://tenor.com/view/baby-seal-sad-cry-meme-seal-gif-19608082
i ran a damage lego for fun and it just felt strange lol
if that picture is in response to me
sweet summit
unlucky
sweet summit
:dandersoo
modern brook
modern brook
He was gunna be my valentine :*
sweet summit
wtf is a gura
modern brook
Mine?
modern brook
wtf is a gura
its a warrior i raid with
modern brook
gura pipes 4sure
sweet summit
that's crazy
urban portal
why did you change from ina
hollow hill
If I'm upgrading items with valor points, first choice should probably be shield and weapon right?
trim bay
shield>weapon
hollow hill
shield>weapon>everything else?
hollow hill
let's assume I don't run mythic raids
trim bay
havent seen that shield drop
distant crystal
i'd prob go shield > scale/phial > weap > rest
trim bay
rip
mellow bridge
shield gives you the most defensive value, weapon the most damage
distant crystal
weap is very expensive
mellow bridge
nah upgrading phial over weapon is for sure troll
distant crystal
i think shield is cheap af right
hollow hill
yea shield was cheap to upgrade
i've got 1100 valor left that I can spend, just got up to 1k rating so I can upgrade a couple items
distant crystal
getting a 252 weapon from vault is WAAAAAY more likely than a phial or scale
hollow hill
maybe i'll hold off on upgrading anymore till I see what I get in my vault tomorrow
blazing condor
this kinda ass ngl
mighty valley
you're my kinda ass
blazing condor
urban portal
phial is also pretty cheap to upgrade tho
modern brook
If I'm upgrading items with valor points, first choice should probably be shield...
Shield > trinkets imo. Weapon upgrades are important but unless you have an entire seasons worth of valor hanging around; its way too much of an investment for something you'll replace in a heart beat from a strong chest week
Shield will also get replaced quickly but the value is way too big for us
also depends on any funneling you have in your gearing runs
but im assuming no funnels
hollow hill
Yea haven't had much of an opportunity to get funneled any gear
Mostly just pugging M+ runs
humble tundra
How is prot looking in 9.2? our MT is leaving for another group. Last time I tanked was in wrath
ancient reef
anyone run necro prot, need a setup to farm reknown
modern brook
High key the only time you can effectively run War Machine
modern brook
How is prot looking in 9.2? our MT is leaving for another group. Last time I tan...
i tihnk the consensus is "the worst of the tanks" but tank balance is pretty close tbh
humble tundra
We aren't a top of the line guild anyways. Just as long as I wouldn't be a hindrance. may consider it
blazing condor
then its fine
but warrior arguably need more practice to get good at compared to other tanks
modern brook
^ yah i call it doing homework
cause you need to go into a fight knowing where your cds are going to be etc
or what you can gimmick with reflect or block
ancient reef
what slot do we want to craft reprisal with tier sets
stray kestrel
Boots is fine
stray kestrel
What do you think are the pros and cons for prot warri?
blazing condor
pros - we mitigate physical damage like a motherfucker
cons - we mitigate magic damage like a noodle
stray kestrel
Well that was powerfull and quick
tardy sequoia
they really won't let me play prot next patch I don't believe it
i tried to explain that class doesn't matter unless you're in the top guilds
they replied telling me that numbers are important and started quoting streamers who does PTR tier lists
im speechless
dawn canyon
what wr
tardy sequoia
i dont know if it is bias or something like that
dawn canyon
if u dont know then its too low of a wr to matter
tardy sequoia
copium
dawn canyon
and honestly just a dick move
west walrus
they replied telling me that numbers are important and started quoting streamers...
O_o
dark lark
Show them world first raiders who used prot warrior in CN, they didn't give a fuck that prot warrior was bottom of every tier list
tardy sequoia
Show them world first raiders who used prot warrior in CN, they didn't give a fu...
they told me that tier bonuses this patch is shit
there's too much difference (which i dont believe is true)
dark lark
I feel like all 6 tanks tier bonuses are fairly solid, with the exception of prot pal and brew's numbers which likely won't make live
plush tendon
Brew is pretty flippin good, but I think most tanks are all gonna be solid
dark lark
Yeah all tanks are really good
plush tendon
much different then what it was first patch of SL
jagged pier
i don't know we're just 4/10M
LMAO LEAVE THAT SHITTY GUILD
dark lark
for real
minor helm
Man being in like a 3-4 boss mythic raid guild is a totally different world
Sounds like there's no ratjammin going on
jagged pier
minor helm
blazing condor
true
minor helm
"iF yOu DoNt KnOw JuSt Do WhAt ReVvEz DoEs"
jagged pier
Tbf Max did keep saying dont bring one even tho they did
minor helm
Love that in arms chat
blazing condor
solid granite
max says a lot of things
jagged pier
But prot was actually low key busted in CN if u knew what you were doing
dark lark
You think Max is going to giveaway any info on their comps or strats? lol
jagged pier
No he said it after the CN race
9 stacks of reposte on council with like 1 external
Slidgefist doing no damage
solid granite
With all due respect, and there's a lot for what he does & says, but you'll always have to take what he says with a pinch of salt
jagged pier
Stonefist doing nothing thanks to vanguard
minor helm
Max isn't playing the same game we are
solid granite
^
minor helm
The graphics just look similar
jagged pier
Im aware
dark lark
Yeah it's called Lost Ark
minor helm
Yes
jagged pier
'Reasons'
dawn canyon
Tbf you copy a lot of what he does
Like sire p3
Movement
Or idk soaks for hunter
solid granite
what was the saying again, copying is the highest form of flattery or smth like that
dark lark
mockery is
jagged pier
Its mockery but close enough
median tulip
So, I've been away for a few months, coming back and looking at these forthcoming changes and I have a question: Does the Rage Multiplication effect of the tier set also multiply the extra Rage gained from talenting Heavy Repercussions?
solid granite
ah, it was "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" - close enough
jagged pier
Well u get more rage so u get stacks kinda faster
But u wont be playing HR anymore
AM all the way
solid granite
HR feels now 'better' imho, but with set AM is king
jagged pier
Well as u get more rage thanks to everything u get it far more often also means the CD on SW is gunna be even less now
Like the moment u get tier and double leggo
Rage for days
solid granite
overcapping on rage fo' days
jagged pier
Nah youll just overcapp IP still gives indom healing
distant crystal
just macro IP into everything
jagged pier
No
distant crystal
distant crystal
unlucky
jagged pier
Imagine macroing defensives
distant crystal
i don't macro it on my druid but i might as well
my fingers reflexively smash IF constantly
every time i want to FR i lack rage
jagged pier
Execpt on madien that was fine, put everything into one button to solo soak the slam
Then on jaina make a macro to cancel every buff so you die
distant crystal
still got that macro from Ra den lel
solid granite
i mean, whatcha spent the druid rage on anyway, Maul? Might aswell catweave
solid granite
btw, necro still a 'ok' choice for prot war in 9.2? haven't followed developments for 2~ weeks because of PoE
dark lark
it's gonna be quite good, and just depends on what your raid/m+ group will want
can theoretically achieve perma banner but I hear it's a degen way to play
solid granite
it's a degen way to play
So perma banner it is!
jagged pier
btw, necro still a 'ok' choice for prot war in 9.2? haven't followed development...
Best in raid
In m+ still kyrian or NF
Most likely
solid granite
for m+ it's whatever, gonna take nf/kyr anyways
jagged pier
Necro is okay in m+ but u need perma uptime to make it work and of course double leggo and tier set
So its actually gunna be a while till u play necro probs
urban portal
at least you can fill 3 covs
solid granite
necro now felt really shit in m+, even in lowish 20's keys
dark lark
It's gonna feel bad for you of course, you're effectively a simp for your DPS
solid granite
Yeah, but that's never bad. The loss of control of Ancient aftershock / spear is the 'bad' part. Fleshcraft is bae, but that's about it
dark lark
Wait till the new expansion hits and we lose our borrowed power!
solid granite
And we get new ones. Not a downside, if the borrowed power just cycles around
Magetower showed me personally, how undesirable no powers are. Maybe that's just me though
distant crystal
i mean, it's undesirable because everything is tuned around borrowed power
mage tower was the only place where borrowed power felt like a bad thing
but if you have it in all content, and you get it in a new form in the next xpac, is it really borrowed 
solid granite
eh, dunno. I don't see it that way - it's like a year, two-year long PoE league. When it ends, the good stuff dies to patch notes and new builds have to be made. It's the same thing, on a higher frequency
solid granite
still friends? 😄
blazing condor
yes
solid granite
that's the important part
sick sentinel
Magetower showed me personally, how undesirable no powers are. Maybe that's just...
thats true, borrowed powers have to exist to shake things up a little
no borrowed powers is boring
mighty valley
it's good if every expansion has some things that make them feel novel and different
in some way shape or form
but some of them are misses
inner sable
I’m covering for a tank tonight, is a max unholy set is better than a lvl 1 blood set?
mighty valley
probably, you could sim it
sick sentinel
I’m covering for a tank tonight, is a max unholy set is better than a lvl 1 bloo...
it is if u want dmg
if u have trouble surviving idk
u shouldnt cause its late into the patch
inner sable
Yeah, it’s a reclear so I should be fine lol
urban portal
Remnant big iq check
median tulip
I hope the new raid is better designed than Sanctum.
Sanctum is frankly a piss poor raid
sweet summit
true
sweet summit
sod sucky
lime urchin
What’s ur favourite then
blazing condor
Raid?
sweet summit
shadow legends
blazing condor
Pog
tawdry dirge
in m+ we spend the outburst also on SS or on TC then?
sweet summit
SS
tawdry dirge
thank u
sweet summit
there might be a case where you use TC for the slow, but then you're desperate and/or have demon comp
tawdry dirge
ah slow effect is also increased?
sweet summit
yeah
sweet summit
slow/damage/rage gen, all of it
tawdry dirge
thats pretty dope,.. it is kinda a nice set bonus only tested it on training dummy
but can be really handy
blazing condor
would the tier set scale slowness with CT in any way and if so is it before or after
blazing condor
was curious if it was TC slow + tier set slow > CT slow
or TC slow + CT slow > tier set slow
strong forum
Outburst TC slow is greater than normal TC + CT
ionic fern
👍
woven lance
New to prot. What's the best way to intervene to a party member and charge back in m+? I have intervene on a mouse-over macro and I've been trying to click on party members directly or on the health bar above their heads, but I've been running into the issue of missing them and then my cursor turns blue because I pressed the macro with no target and now it wants me to just click on a target. Also I have issues with turning my camera to view my party members, but that probably just comes with experience. Any tips?
jagged pier
just use party frames
blazing condor
you either just
- hover over the mobs youre fighting and click-click-click-click-click-clik everywhere until it lands (lazy way)
- party frames
woven lance
I have it bound to shift+mouse button 4 right now and I seem to remember wow having an issue with that not working when you click party frames
"But when the mouse is over a UnitFrame, the mouse button will be interpreted as a “click” on the frame, and not as a button press."
strong forum
You need @mouseover in your macro
strong forum
@mouseover will change your life
woven lance
I'm using a mouseover macro
jagged pier
u arent if u need to click a frame
strong forum
If you need to confirm your action then your macro is faulty
woven lance
Because the mouseover macro is bound to mouse button 4, when I click it on a party frame, it interprets that as a click, instead of me pressing the macro
Like if I had it bound to 4 or something it would work
blazing condor
for me when i do party frames i just click+button at the same time
works for me
but i think the mouseover works
strong forum
Then I suspect you have another shift modifier on button 4?
So it tries to override the macro with something else
woven lance
Is there any way to test intervene without being in a party?
jagged pier
no harm LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
strong forum
I guess that also works
woven lance
#showtooltip Intervene
/cast [@mouseover,exists,help,nodead] Intervene
That's what I'm using
strong forum
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover, exists, help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [exists, nodead, harm] Charge
/cast Hamstring
jagged pier
ew get rid of hamstring
strong forum
Hamstring is for gamers
graceful sundial
Hello! I'm trying to create an intervene wa (from template>icon>abilities) but when I'm done it doesn't show up
just want to track when intervene is ready to use
strong forum
Just copy another basic skill WA and change the trigger to intervene
strong forum
Hello! I'm trying to create an intervene wa (from template>icon>abilities) but w...
What could also be, would be a load condition being set to maybe another spec
or could be a condition to only show the WA when on CD or when the buff is active when creating from the template
cyan bluff
Anyone know which of the bosses in 9.2 raid are going to be good fights that a tank can do the raid calling on? (eg no weird camera angles or bad views of the team etc). Our guild share raid calling on a per boss basis - so I am going to need to pick out 2-3 to call on as a tank.
graceful sundial
Just copy another basic skill WA and change the trigger to intervene
that worked perfectly, thanks a lot!
fiery talon
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover, exists, help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [ex...
harm and help have exists check built in
Also I’d add [help] and [harm] as last condition for corresponding lines to have default behavior enabled to avoid always relay on mouseover but that is entirely personal preference
raven creek
Hi is there a way to see how much % damage i blocked with shield block on WLogs ? thank's
blazing condor
Hi is there a way to see how much % damage i blocked with shield block on WLogs ...
If you mean Warcraft Logs then you go to damage taken > melee > hover over the ”hit” column
raven creek
Yes i mean Warcraft Logs, thank you 🙏
blazing condor
brittle owl
just make goodstuffe a SF already
ionic fern
Make him TC.
tropic linden
I have it bound to shift+mouse button 4 right now and I seem to remember wow hav...
yeah, i have this problem too
Even with @mouseover
tropic linden
It works if i mouse over my ally, but not on the party frame 😦
But if i bound to a letter or number, it works fine