protection

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

Mm this copium tastes even better than usual

[shut summit]

[deft hinge]

before we reach pension age it will be 5-10 years more because of life expectancy increase

[wild hemlock]

how can yall afford food right now

[deft hinge]

im the last generation of smokers in my country, i will not live as long as expected probably. so for me it sux

[wild hemlock]

i have a great job but i cant believe the american costs of food atm

[deft hinge]

come to No(r)way and get robbed by insane prices overall. Whalecum tax payers!

[chilly brook]

You’re telling me you don’t like dropping $10 on 3lbs of ground beef?

[wild hemlock]

THE FRESH FRUIT PRICES WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

[chilly brook]

$10 for ground beef is omega wtf

It gets worse as you look at better cuts

[wild hemlock]

i havent noticed proteins too bad

[deft hinge]

$10 for grounded beef is almost twice as cheap as here

[distant crystal]

I paid $90 for 4 ribeyes from the grocery store

_>

[chilly brook]

Beef rose like 20% from 2020 to 2021

Only gone up since then

[sweet summit]

what is this adult talk in my kids channel

[chilly brook]

Yea I think I saw one ribeye at Costco for like $45

[wild hemlock]

bashing US still

[distant crystal]

that must be like prime lol

i'm out here overpaying for choice

[deft hinge]

a bread costs $10 were i live

[wild hemlock]

what country

if you dont mind saying

[deft hinge]

No(r)wa

y

[sweet summit]

buy cheaper bread or

[distant crystal]

https://pics.esmemes.com/wint-dril-food-200-data-150-rent-800-candles-3-600-42446810.png

[chilly brook]

Lmao

[distant crystal]

[scenic mural]

I got 100lbs of new york strips at $5/lb at stater bros

[wild hemlock]

you wana mail some?

ill send u dry ice filled pack

[scenic mural]

If i give you some i wont have any

[mellow bridge]

OMG

FINALLY

[jagged pier]

rip that

elden ring

[sweet summit]

season ends 21st

so like raid isn't for another month

or?

[jagged pier]

raid 2 weeks after

mythic 3

[sweet summit]

nvm

yep

dead

game

fuck

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

God damnit.

[waxen orbit]

At least season is finally ending so that M+ rating can stop getting over saturated

[jagged pier]

It will just happen again after like a month

[waxen orbit]

Not to the degree of what it’s at right now after 6? 7? months

[jagged pier]

ah u would be suprise, like 2 weeks after i got all 20s (which was like week3 or somthing) ppl in pug couldnt do 15-20 lvl cause score was already inflated

[waxen orbit]

Yea cause that’s 15-20 level, DPS get boosted to that p regularly

Right now there’s goobers who don’t pull their weight at like 2700

[jagged pier]

like always

theres always ppl that dont pull their weight

[waxen orbit]

Yeah you just see it more at higher registers the longer the season goes on and it saturates into specific IO brackets where the behavior really festers

But no point in arguing over it

[lime urchin]

make frens to play with so you dont need to bother with that stuff!

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-dr-evil-how-gif-19601238

[lime urchin]

[jagged pier]

roirin be my frend

[lime urchin]

ok!

[jagged pier]

[sick sentinel]

what leggo should be fine for next patch?

[strong forum]

reprisal

[vestal moat]

Literally not a single baseline tank class change in this huge patch.

[jagged pier]

'yet'

still hc week tuning

[waxen orbit]

I’d be genuinely surprised if they tuned it

Their focus seems entirely oriented on tier set balancing right now

With the exception of the BDB and frost mage changes

[vestal moat]

Various healers and dps have received baseline changes unrelated to tier or legendaries. Not a single tank has. Not suggesting anything, just pointing that out. they just must think everthing is balanced.

[jagged pier]

hot take

no one

cares

about

tanks

[waxen orbit]

Nah I mean people care about tanks

Unless you’re talking about in a specific aspect Ig

[mighty valley]

tanks are better balanced relatively than other roles right now, so time and energy goes where it makes more of a difference

i know that doesn't feel great for the spec that's currently bottom of the role totem pole but

them's the breaks

[waxen orbit]

Feral druids

[mighty valley]

also like, this is the last patch of the expansion, changes to gear might as well be changes to the spec

[minor helm]

No Jakeys right tanks are second class citizens

[distant crystal]

tanks are essential workers

and we all know nobody cares about them

[minor helm]

True and valid

[coral quartz]

Hi guys quite new to prot warrior but I'm loving it. Quick question with the resprisal lego I know I'm meant to be using itervene and charge on cd is it best to have a melee party member focused to intervene to them to keep in the fray to dps

[urban portal]

you should

however if you need shieldblock uptime, you should also get used to int a ranged, and charge back

wasting a revenge proc but you get more shield block uptime

[coral quartz]

right okay thanks a lot im really trying to get it down i was playing prot pala but fancied a change

[chilly brook]

I just mouseover charge whoever is closest

Sometimes it’s the healer

Or a ranged

Or sometimes I need to get out of something and use intervene instead of leap

[distant crystal]

lot of spots where you can just charge a diff mob

ranged/caster mobs

[urban portal]

charging a caster can sometime get you meleed in the back

since now you are sandwiched between the caster and melees

[chilly brook]

ye but sometimes they end up right next you because of how something got positioned whereas the melee in on the opposite side of the mob or boss

[vocal bison]

Focus a melee and have mouseover intercharge (copyright) for best of both worlds

[slow cypress]

Hey i have no clue what im doing when it comes to writing macros/mouse overs. Does anyone have a macro or know if its possible for charge/intervene/victory rush where it charges my target, intervenes if moused over a friend and victory rushes in melee?

[lofty widget]

@slow cypress
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help] intervene; charge
/cast Victory Rush

[teal swift]

I got pung

Morning

[teal swift]

We doing heroic tonight instead of mythic

so i get to play prot warrior : D

[balmy narwhal]

Hey guys, I am playing prot warrior and planning on doing that for next tier. I am thinking of leveling another tank just in case for raid progression, is there a tier list? I have a blood dk as well, but was thinking of leveling gaurdian druid as well. I just don't know their state of tank with tier set

[chilly brook]

Tier list in regards to what content?

[balmy narwhal]

Raid sosry

sorry*

[chilly brook]

All the tanks are more than good enough to do whatever you want minus bleeding edge key pushing

I.e. 30s

[balmy narwhal]

ah ok

Sounds good then

[dark lark]

You'll even see that logic in world first guilds, all tanks are viable so it's just a matter of what brings the most raid utility at that point

Back in Castle Nathria, wowhead and icyveins all had prot warrior in their lowest tier for raid; lo and behold, limit ran prot warrior

[waxen orbit]

Prot paladin is the absolute king of keys next patch

And raid tbh

Prot warr is good for mythic raid as always and up to +23 keys but you're gonna notice a difference in your effectiveness in comparison to most other tanks once you start hitting above +24

It'll get more noticeable the higher your key register pushes. It's still very possible and if you're skilled at it you can pull it off obviously, but just be aware that if you're pushing high M+ you're going to see an uptick in difficulty slightly more intense than, say, prot paladin/BrM/bear next patch

[balmy narwhal]

Yeah, for sure. but I am mostly thinking of mythic raiding and not push keys beyond 20

and obviously not going for HoF

[waxen orbit]

Then yeah you're for sure fine

[balmy narwhal]

Are you guys thinking of switching to necro when double legendaries come?

[waxen orbit]

For raid? Yeah

Good single target damage output

[teal swift]

oof

I wanna neck myself rn

Oh well

Do i swap to EU

Have multiple CE guild offers from there

[waxen orbit]

Aren't you located in US?

I imagine that would truck your ping

[teal swift]

it would truck my ping

I just dont know what I wanna do rn

I mean, all I REALLY need to do next tier

is get portals and AOTC

and then quit

[waxen orbit]

If you really want CE

You can probably easily get a CE raiding group if you just ask around or look for them intentionally

Can't really throw a stone without hitting a CE group that needs a tank nowadays

[pallid musk]

Do anyone can share any warrior defensive recommend on The eye mythic?

[waxen orbit]

Save all your major shit for intermission phase when tanking your eye

Save it for when you're solo

Badabingbadaboom

You're good

Spell reflect off CD

Demo shout + maybe an IP on deathlink

[pallid musk]

I got bit heavy dmg by Deathlink

[waxen orbit]

Demo shout + Spell reflect off CD + maybe an IP for deathlink

[pallid musk]

Ah Demo + IP out it?

Good advice

[waxen orbit]

Yea

[teal swift]

Need a log

Might be helaerss, I prefer the wall for the eye fight

[waxen orbit]

Tbh just do that fight with EM

Like I said, save majors for solo phase

And you're good

[quiet crane]

All you need to do is have a CD/trinket/external for every deathlink

[jagged pier]

U dont need anything for deathlink its physical armour alone reduces it by 50%

[blazing condor]

but it aint blockable right

[west walrus]

You cannot block / parry / dodge

[urban portal]

just IP

and shout

thats it

ip demo shout bshout

is your combo

[teal swift]

Wordle 237 5/6

⬛⬛🟨🟩⬛
🟨⬛⬛🟩⬛
⬛⬛⬛🟩🟩
⬛🟩🟨🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[jagged pier]

4/6

[blazing condor]

5/6

[west walrus]

Wordle 237 3/6

⬛🟩⬛⬛⬛
🟨🟩🟨🟩⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[jagged pier]

what race do i play next patch?

[sweet summit]

orc

[blazing condor]

female undead pog

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

[brittle owl]

play fem goblin

[blazing condor]

honestly goblin kinda pog

[sweet summit]

i will ban u

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

you never see goblins anymore

[sweet summit]

thank god

[blazing condor]

you're welcome

[jagged pier]

because vulp look better and use the same animations

[blazing condor]

play zand troll

play whatever tf you want

just dont go some normie shit

[sweet summit]

gnoblin is only acceptable as shaman or priest

[brittle owl]

gobbo warr so you can hit people for golden rings

[sweet summit]

shut up

[brittle owl]

shouldn't you be into small cartoony boobs?

isn't that something you need in order to get your weeb license

[blazing condor]

[sweet summit]

i don't have a license

therefor i am not a weeb

[brittle owl]

STOP RIGHT THERE

CRIMINAL SCUM

🚔

[sweet summit]

🏃

[jagged pier]

all i know is im kinda sick of vulp, want something else but dont know what expect undead fmale

[blazing condor]

lel

yeah id never touch undead fem

idk im panda that shit kinda slapping but i know you played that before

[jagged pier]

im considering tauren for crit damage to pump even harder with EM and seismic

[blazing condor]

female tauren

[jagged pier]

of course

[brittle owl]

tauren is the 400iq play indeed

[blazing condor]

ty

[sweet summit]

tauren is too big

it bad

[blazing condor]

male taurens are cool but tmog looks ass

[jagged pier]

nah fmale

[brittle owl]

male tauren mog is hard yes

but when its good

[jagged pier]

fmale tauren armour actually fits and they can fit through doors

[brittle owl]

it's fkin bangin

[west walrus]

fem tauren > all

[sweet summit]

my opinion > your opinion

[blazing condor]

true

my opinion is that ergas opinion > my opinion

[sweet summit]

[brittle owl]

goodstuffe getting danker by the season

[west walrus]

Goodstuffe deserves to be a SF

[jagged pier]

we SFs defiantly didnt craft good into a boy who answers all the questions so we didnt have to do the work

[strong forum]

tfw jakey spoilers skyhold lore

[brittle owl]

kindof a stretch to call it lore

more like scribbled fanfiction

[strong forum]

ima scribble my fancfiction over you

[jagged pier]

dont hate scribble lore

[oblique garnet]

Its all about delegating

[jagged pier]

☝️

[oblique garnet]

Once you have trained enough pet SF you get to ascend into Valkyr where you just peep into channels and meme

[blazing condor]

guess i really am a dog

at least i got crown

[modern brook]

Ur king dog

[jagged pier]

well he wont even get his name changed to dog with crown

[blazing condor]

@oblique garnet Change my name to Dog With Crown to please Jakey kthx

[jagged pier]

[oblique garnet]

No

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/finding-nemo-bags-floating-stuck-now-what-gif-5473087

[sweet summit]

damn

u got got real bad there

[strong forum]

The absolute perfect response

[jagged pier]

dont worry im proud u tried

https://tenor.com/view/pet-dog-adorable-cute-gif-14614095

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smile-happy-gif-9231579

[oblique garnet]

@blazing condor do you really want to be called a dog with a crown?

[blazing condor]

Yes if it makes Jakey happier

[oblique garnet]

Are you sure?

You cant undo this decision later

[strong forum]

"Skyhold will remember this"

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/tomato-sad-emotional-frown-unhappy-gif-8158178

[sweet summit]

will skyhold remember if you leave and re join?

[blazing condor]

Do it

i am a dog with a crown afterall

[oblique garnet]

$rename @blazing condor ”A dog with a crown”

[true pawn]

Done.

[sweet summit]

"a dog with a crown"

[oblique garnet]

Always specify

[brittle owl]

why

is

skyhold

so fkin nazi jfc

gotta get mods to change your name

[hardy ridge]

Will nf or kyr do more dam in 9.2

[oblique garnet]

Honestly idk

[sweet summit]

nf

[strong forum]

Probably NF

Cuz korayn dumb

[brittle owl]

this only makes it worse

[oblique garnet]

Limits bots

[sweet summit]

does it?

[brittle owl]

yeah cause wow woyer is so popular that it's a bot magnet

[hardy ridge]

Ty, you handsome man

[sweet summit]

true

[oblique garnet]

Probably

[sweet summit]

i can't see how that would affect it but ye sure i believe

[brittle owl]

sounds like

copium tbh

[oblique garnet]

There used to be decent bit of bots that constantly renamed while spamming

[jagged pier]

this is too true

[strong forum]

Get

SCAMMED

[oblique garnet]

Are you gonna be a good boy now

[sweet summit]

love watching lost ark players come out of their cave when servers go down

[brittle owl]

@oblique garnet can you change my name to "muie"

d/w it's perfectly good ToS compliant name

[oblique garnet]

Is it

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/squeeze-through-hole-armie-hammer-ascends-from-an-underground-cave-running-wild-with-bear-grylls-crawling-through-hole-getting-out-gif-23183078

[sweet summit]

don't do it late

it is bait

i googled it

[brittle owl]

do it

[sweet summit]

ban maelkenar

[brittle owl]

i am the joe rogan of skyhold

unbannable

[sweet summit]

roe jogan 📉

[brittle owl]

just look at my emoji resume

[oblique garnet]

Give head?

[brittle owl]

it's our flavour of "fuck you"

[oblique garnet]

$rename @blazing condor A Dog with A Crown

[true pawn]

Done.

[oblique garnet]

I wanna go back to my cave can the mainentance end already

[strong forum]

This

[sweet summit]

soon

[jagged pier]

Nome alive suprised not napping till maintence is over tbh

[oblique garnet]

Nome when guardian raid solo stream

[strong forum]

I woke up 2hrd before maintenance

[brittle owl]

gamer coma is not sleep

[jagged pier]

u only have 3 days of degeneracy left

how u gunna cope

[strong forum]

Ik

:worry:

[oblique garnet]

11 for me

[jagged pier]

POG

[brittle owl]

get covid on the last day

extend the degen

[sweet summit]

good plan

[brittle owl]

nothing to worry about with 3 doses

generally speaking

[sweet summit]

[tame jasper]

Finally, yesteday I got soulrender shoulders and completed mythic SoD set - looks great 😄

[jagged pier]

[tame jasper]

first set since T6 i switch to 😄

but we canceled trying sylvanas cause of sign ups, so no CE / mythic syalvans kill 😦

[jagged pier]

😦

how close were u

[modern brook]

I can't believe I missed the only important thing to happen in this channel because some dope doesn't know how to login to a program

Life is a series of agonies

[tame jasper]

trying to stabilize phase 2

[jagged pier]

honestly u would be cutting it very very close

probably the better choice to break

[tame jasper]

yeah we would not have killed her in time anyway

our progression was far too long (more than 250 on painsmith etc..)

but feels somehow bad with 9/10 xD

[blazing condor]

im really glad i stopped raiding this tier semi early on

cus god damn

imagine raiding like 2-3x a week for this many months

just progressing

over and over

and not getting CE

🔫

[jagged pier]

thats why u find a new guild

[blazing condor]

tried for a bit but no luck

i was picky cus kinda burnt

and i dont really have any progress to show either

i aint finna join a 3/10m guild when i just left one

[sweet summit]

i'll vouch

[blazing condor]

maybe dog with crown 9.2 comeback

[sweet summit]

pausechamping irl rn for u

[jagged pier]

its dog with A crown

[blazing condor]

yes

[modern brook]

I havent been following ptr stuff

do we like our tier yet?

or is outburst still dumb

[jagged pier]

the fixed the issues with it

but its still a ST tier set

[modern brook]

stinky

[jagged pier]

ours gives use both stuff in raid m+

some dont give anything on ST

we just dont scale into aoe and nither does our tier set

[modern brook]

is there still never a reason to use Tclap?

[jagged pier]

i might use outburst on TC to not overcap during burst cause it will give less rage

🤷

but thats a doubt

[modern brook]

lmao

guildy said they shuolda made it make ravagers

party time set pogpopgpog

[jagged pier]

well that would be pointless on ST tho

and we are far behind on ST damage

[modern brook]

yes jakey 😦

ur ruining my shitposting with proper analysis smh

[jagged pier]

i always do

[modern brook]

❤️

[jagged pier]

🫂

[mellow bridge]

is there ever a scenario where TC would outdps the ss + revenge you get from the rage 🤔

[jagged pier]

not really

[modern brook]

if the mobs die in that tc

[jagged pier]

i mean sure

[modern brook]

so it'll be good for classic mog run parse whoring

[tropic linden]

if all the rage u generate is going to IP cause u are generating too much rage, than is better to TC, no?

[jagged pier]

as i said u might use it to not overcap

but honestly just over cap IP and use SS

ull heal with indom and it will still probs be more worth it

and if your going to put all your rage into IP which u should never ever ever ever ever do u still use it on SS

for more rage

[tame jasper]

this reminds me to look wher emy IP WA is gone

[hollow hill]

213 Wakeners frond (68 str, 745 haste on use) worth replacing with 230 Spiritual Alchemy Stone (103 vers, chance to gain 318 str for 15 sec)?

Usually ilvl is always my indicator but i'm not sure losing 68 strength at all times is worth it

[modern brook]

You can compare this in the future by checking any reasonable fight

for the buff uptime on spiritual stone

[hollow hill]

Simming right now for damage, but curious about survivability

[modern brook]

318*(%uptime) = effective passive strength

i dont know the uptime on alchemy stone off hand

but it'd need to be less than 20% to be less str than the wakeners

Whats your 2nd trinket?

[hollow hill]

236 Spare Meat Hook

Is there a good resource to find the uptime on the alchemy stone?

[modern brook]

details or logs

both should have them

I would use stone tbh

236 meat hook is likely better than 213 frond

and double onuse is cringe

[hollow hill]

Is it?

[modern brook]

using a trinket puts a 20 (30?) second global cooldown on all other on-use items

[hollow hill]

Oh good point

[modern brook]

sometimes its worth it

I just dont think dropping ilvl is one of those times

i dont have a real answer for you so i would listen to your sim for damage, you're at the point in gearing where your survivability isnt going to be massively impacted by a change in trinkets that isnt Aegis

[hollow hill]

Yea that makes sense. I think I'll try it out and see how it handles. Hopefully I'll upgrade it pretty quickly in a couple weeks anyways

Thanks for your input!

[modern brook]

happy tanking

[hollow hill]

My sim finished, it was a 1.1% relative dps increase lmao

[modern brook]

1% is high

Im surprised

[jagged pier]

@oblique garnet its pump week again

[modern brook]

NF gaming

[distant crystal]

filthy spiteful padders

petitioning details author to remove it from overall

[jagged pier]

tbf like 2 weeks ago i did 11.2k without spiteful pad

[distant crystal]

hello is this details HQ? I'd like to speak to a manager

[jagged pier]

i dunno

u can go do it waat

dont complain to details HQ

[oblique garnet]

[jagged pier]

yer that was my 1 key on my warrior for this week

😂

new season coming

not gunna both farming anything

[wary bay]

hi mates, i will start to tank for 9.2, whats convenant will be fine for raid ?

[hollow hill]

I think Kyrian is still best and Night Fae is 2nd

icyveins has some info on the changes for 9.2

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-patch-9-2-changes-analysis#thoughts

[distant crystal]

What happened to the NL dream?

[hollow hill]

From what this says, with double legendaries NL is actually not bad because the NL legendary pairs nicely with Reprisal

[oblique garnet]

NL will be strongest for raid with 2x legendaries

[jagged pier]

NL with tier and 2 leggos

kyrian and NF for aoe and m+

[hollow hill]

How big of a difference are we talking?

[jagged pier]

between NF and kyrian not much

if its ST then necro is way ahead

[hollow hill]

I'm not sure I can handle going necrolord, just because of the aesthetics of it lol

[jagged pier]

what u dont have to look like a necrolord

to use necro

[hollow hill]

I mean I hate the order hall and everything relating to maldraxxus

I know it's silly

[jagged pier]

well if u dont want an extra 20% strength and tones of passive rage gen and 400 master for an entire fight i guess u can play whatever u want

[hollow hill]

Eh I'm not a CE raider, I'll probably manage okay

[jagged pier]

has nothing to do with CE

prot NL with 2 leggos and tier set is literally the funnest the spec has been since argus

[hollow hill]

Well, I suppose I can give it a try if it's as good as you say 🙂

[oblique garnet]

@strong forum wake me up when servers up

[blazing condor]

gamer green day be like

[strong forum]

Ya I also just woke up from nappy

[jagged pier]

how was nappy?

wish i could have one

[strong forum]

Was a half nap, cuz yiu never know if server suddenly pops up

[jagged pier]

true

[strong forum]

But both cats came to cuddle, which is giga rare so that was nice

[jagged pier]

😮

wish i had cats still

yer i dont like ppl

[sweet summit]

L

[jagged pier]

animals >>> ppl

change my mind

[hollow hill]

@jagged pier I just looked over necrolord talents and stuff for 9.2 and damn it looks amazing.

[jagged pier]

told u

[hollow hill]

Imma miss my little steward buddy though

[hollow hill]

Is it advised to switch to necrolord ahead of the patch to get renown and everything or is it going to be easier to switch in 9.2?

[jagged pier]

i mean its not hard to switch and its not changing so thats up to u

[dark lark]

It's not like there's anything to do until then, just farm renown with daily callings

[hollow hill]

Yea that was kinda my thought. Get used to new rotation and farm up renown

[jagged pier]

u can legit get to 80 renown in a day btw

[west walrus]

A few hours, this is Upper Reach week

[sturdy sable]

Oh is it?

Guess i should bang out the last few NL renown

[dark lark]

I'd rather jump off a bridge over spam torghast

Did it way too much at this point

[jagged pier]

if u have weekly quests or emisaries with renown u need to actually do them

other why torghast will stop giving u renown

and make u do that content anyway

[tropic linden]

And gives u gold and maybe a mount

[frail dagger]

How’s prot looking in 9.2? I will be doing my own research, but just coming back and looking for info.

[hollow hill]

Get ready to be stinky necrolord 😠

[jagged pier]

we are looking fine just like always

[frail dagger]

Yeah, I’ve noticed it seems to be in a good spot. I’m between my bm monk or prot. Buddy is playing prot pally so being able to trade gear during raid would be nice, but debating lol

[tropic linden]

Lot's of pally in my raid 🙂 Lot's of ppl to trade gear

[dark lark]

All tanks are good, play what's fun or whatever brings a raid buff

For what it's worth, the protwar 4p looks more fun than brew 4p

[frail dagger]

Oh for sure! Bm feels lackluster.

[sweet summit]

?????

how ia soing infinite damage and being immortal lackluster

[waxen orbit]

BrM is pretty shplonky chief idk

Giga dam and autotank stagger

[blazing condor]

I just lack the lust of playing it

[dark lark]

I think he means you don't do anything different with the 4p, which makes it boring. It's strong for sure though.

[frail dagger]

I don’t mean lackluster as far as viability, prot just feels better game play wise. This is an opinion of course.

[strong forum]

which is the only reason you need to play X class/spec

[grizzled lotus]

Likely playing Warrior/Monk/MAYBE Death Knight if tier acquisition isn't atrocious

[strong forum]

Tier should take like 5-8 weeks to get

if you do absolutely everything

[west walrus]

I can play a boring monk, but I'm trying to find a guild to play my pwar with 👀

[strong forum]

I'm trying to get into lost ark but servers are on extended maintenance

[chrome falcon]

Same

pain

[strong forum]

I wanted to hit t2 today

[waxen orbit]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/lead-rewards-designer-russ-petersen-announces-last-day-at-blizzard-entertainment-325944

https://tenor.com/view/cwalk-gif-19763155

Wish him the best tho

Great vault was a good idea but azerite armor and covenants was

[livid dagger]

What is best prot cov looking like it will be for 9,2?

I didn’t see it anywhere in the pins I apologize if it is

[sweet summit]

anything not venthyr

[mighty valley]

necro is looking real good if you coordinate with the right people to get the buffs

but it's also hard work

can't go wrong with NF/Kyrian

[plush tendon]

All purpose Kyrian, NF viable alternative (personally like the AA knockdown for certain dungeons), Necro can also be good with a little extra effort

Venthyr if you want to RP as a vampkid

[hollow hill]

Necro is apparently the best for single target

[plush tendon]

Necro for sure good; but uptime is important

Id still recommend Kyrian for a all purpose good in all situations pick

[jagged pier]

its not its already top on pure ST

[plush tendon]

in 9.1?

[jagged pier]

yes

[plush tendon]

hmm, I dont know if I believe that

but you might have insider info 🙂

[jagged pier]

this isnt old news

literally cant remeber his name came through and start destroying everyone as necro

[mellow bridge]

yea

you just give up defensive for it because you have to play glory

EM isnt that great for ST too

[agile pumice]

sure enough heres mythic guardian

[plush tendon]

yea, but 3 power infusions and a kindred

everyone right below is Kyrian or NF

[jagged pier]

nah before scar

but also 1.7k dps doesnt come from 4 PIs

pi is not worth that much

[hollow hill]

Do you suggest Marileth or Heirmir for soulbind?

[jagged pier]

yer in 9.1 not 9.1.5 it was julor top on guardian as necro

no Pis

kevin

is

bis

[ancient reef]

do i need to paly any of the .5 content to unlock 2.0

i havent played in awhile

[hollow hill]

I think you need to finish the campaign

[patent osprey]

I have not betrayed our kind!

[grizzled lotus]

orly? This is an alt, I have to finish Chains of Domination story?

[hollow hill]

Errr don't quote me on it

[grizzled lotus]

mmk

[humble tendon]

@patent osprey 🙂

[chilly brook]

You need to pump those survival numbers up

SMH

[modern brook]

Julor

He's s homie

[chilly brook]

Julor is the homie

[verbal ledge]

It is cheesed nevertheless, blessing of summer pre pull, bonds and pi makes the difference

[chilly brook]

Summer is credited to the paladin

[jagged pier]

do ppl like not read

[ocean reef]

Selective reading

[chilly brook]

No PI

No blessing

[ocean reef]

inspect element

[chilly brook]

Just good old mogging on peeps

[ocean reef]

for sure

[verbal ledge]

Check the log, blessing 125k dmg

It scuffs the log if you get pre pull blessing

[hollow hill]

So is NL just better single target damage or is it higher survivability as well compared to Kyrian?

[jagged pier]

its better ST damage

[chilly brook]

I mean you give it pre pull so you can get back to back summer

[hollow hill]

Cause not gonna lie, I might be willing to take a hit to dps and keep some survivability if it means I don't have to spend any time in maldraxxus. I'm hating every moment of this so far

[jagged pier]

so cool that 125k summers acccounts for 300ish dps

the 4 pis do not account for 1.4k dps

necro is just better ST with glory

[chilly brook]

Necro does dummy damage in execute

Like absolutely dumb

[jagged pier]

even dumber next patch

[verbal ledge]

Then why are the top 10 not filled with necros on guardian if its obviously better in St According to your Statement?

[chilly brook]

Because no one cares enough to change?

[jagged pier]

because there is 0 reason to actually play it

and swap for 1 boss in the raid

when your on farm night

[chilly brook]

And Kyrian is good for everything else?

And you’re losing your BiS Lego to do it

[jagged pier]

like i could have done it tones of time, i dont want to waste the time, plus my raid doesnt have the externals so cant run glory anyways

[chilly brook]

^^

[verbal ledge]

According to wcl necro can manage to #1 on pretty much any Boss then?

[chilly brook]

You lose either the wall or reprisal depending on fight

Because for necro to be good you need glory

[jagged pier]

which is why its bis next tier because u get glory for free

[chilly brook]

Pretty sure Julor got multiple rank 1s as necro

[jagged pier]

and for necro to actually be good u need to keep banner up which is really hard if your not used to it

and its easy next patch

because of tier set and extra leggo

[grizzled lotus]

btw is Reprisal on legs and Wall on cloak gonna still be "the thing" with tier bonus? I haven't scoured the dungeon journal for what the set pieces even are

[verbal ledge]

Have you actually tried glory yet?

[jagged pier]

yes

[verbal ledge]

Me 2 and i am telling you, without cheesing the logs you wont get rank 1 with it

[strong forum]

?

[chilly brook]

Julor did…..

Literally no cheese

[strong forum]

It's factual that necrolord + glory will net you the most ST damage

Not an opinion

[chilly brook]

Oh man

Would you look at that 9.1

Rank 1 no cheese

[jagged pier]

hes also rank 1 on several other fights as well

as necro

without cheese

but not all because some arent ST

so the other covs win

as we've been saying

[chilly brook]

Rank 1 The Nine

[shut summit]

🎣

[sturdy sable]

Yeah i couldnt see nl beating NF on like soul render

[chilly brook]

Rank 1 Remnant

[jagged pier]

thats a kyrian fight

[sturdy sable]

Exactly

[jagged pier]

spear lines up with every add

[sturdy sable]

Yeah but you proc first strike with every add set as well

And AA is up for every other add set

But i havnt checked logs so 🤷‍♂️

[chilly brook]

The fact of the matter is that Necrolord when played well provides you with so much extra rage and stats it’s almost impossible not to perform extremely well and should be a great pick on single target for shooting for rank 1s even without buffs

[modern brook]

I'll say it again

Julor is a homie

[chilly brook]

50 seconds of constant rage ticking in and 400 mastery plus a huge amount of extra strength

Now imagine that during the last 20%

[verbal ledge]

I know the feeling, i tried necro

[chilly brook]

Literally half a million damage in execute

Nothing comes close

[verbal ledge]

Well, my results on guardian didnt come close to whatever you guys are claiming necro can do. Both kyrian and NF turned out to be better if i dont get buffed

[chilly brook]

There’s your damage difference

Between current rank 1 and rank 2

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

Oh and the fact that the current rank 1 did 600 dps more with shield slam alone

Which btw isn’t PI or blessings

Feel free to make the argument that he got more shield slam resets because of PI

But they cast the same amount

[modern brook]

Is it a claim to point to a historic data point?

[distant crystal]

he had more SB uptime due to PI

[chilly brook]

Disregard that actually

[distant crystal]

so bigger slams

checkmate

[chilly brook]

Top guy had 20 more shield slams

[verbal ledge]

I am just sayin, since i am sitting on rank 3 on guardian and tried to analyze the difference -> i see why there is this huge gap between 1 and the rest

And i beg to differ -> its not the specc

[chilly brook]

Discounting any sort of external buffs

Necro homie just hits harder

[jagged pier]

u can cast more executes

u got 16 casts in

[verbal ledge]

Sure necro is nice with all that str and mastery that you can easily extend to 70-80 seconds outside of execute already

[chilly brook]

Like there’s a 3 execute cast difference from 1-2

And a 150k damage difference

[distant crystal]

if your group has more overall dmg in the execute range you could just be stuck w/ less casts

[chilly brook]

From execute alone

[verbal ledge]

Exactly

[chilly brook]

It doesn’t just apply to execute damage thought

[distant crystal]

maybe r1 has a bunch of boomies that sent their last ramp just before execute

[chilly brook]

That just highlights the damage profile

Again 3 less casts from r2

Yet 150k behind

[distant crystal]

there's a million different variables, just crit more 4head

[chilly brook]

How often do you crit for 50k?

[distant crystal]

well i'm a boomy main so

🙂

[stark bramble]

Prot warriors can easily crit for 50k... On ingra maloch

[distant crystal]

poggies

[chilly brook]

Top warrior average shield slam is 4.4k

11.4k on crits average

[jagged pier]

i mean theres lots u can do cru looking at my log from the 15th of nov, which is still number 6

i literally am pressing more buttons that u

[chilly brook]

Next guy is 3k average normal hit

6.6k avg crit

[jagged pier]

and my trinkets do more damage than the ones u run

[chilly brook]

Like it’s not rocket science to see that his abilities just hit harder and he has more casts

[jagged pier]

your SS does more damage because u have more uptime of SB and thats about it

[chilly brook]

Whether you want to put it down to PI I guess?

[jagged pier]

u can charge weave more for more rage

[chilly brook]

Which I mean maybe take away 104k (20 casts) from shield slam casts that he might not have had if he didn’t have PI that still works out to be 90k damage ahead in shield slam

[verbal ledge]

What makes you think that? More haste maybe?

[jagged pier]

no

u just slow

[verbal ledge]

Care to explain?

[jagged pier]

I mean we have like the same amount of gear

[verbal ledge]

Your trinkets do more damage but less dps

[distant crystal]

🤔

[jagged pier]

u have a shorter kill time of 10 seconds

its makes like no difference

and they dont btw

[chilly brook]

You have over 10 less casts of shield slam

[chilly brook]

Sorry 9 less

[verbal ledge]

Fusion sims higher for me, also makes Sense on a Fight like guardian which perfectly lines with the duration

[jagged pier]

and yours is a 252 phial

mine is a 246

[verbal ledge]

True

[chilly brook]

Less revenge

Less thunderclap

Less execute

Way less charge

[jagged pier]

less charge

[chilly brook]

Huge damage loss

[jagged pier]

i had 14 more IPs

[verbal ledge]

Do you play Wall or reprisal

[jagged pier]

think about how many more revnges that is

i use the wall

[verbal ledge]

Same

[chilly brook]

You want to charge weave regardless

[jagged pier]

u should still charge weave

[chilly brook]

It’s free rage

[verbal ledge]

I dont feel like i am rage starved or sth

[chilly brook]

It’s not about rage starving

[jagged pier]

BRUH

[chilly brook]

More rage=more revenge or more execute

[jagged pier]

U WASTED 250 rage

[verbal ledge]

I dont have empty globals is what i was trying to say

[jagged pier]

well u do

u generated 400 rage less than me

and wasted 200 rage more than me

u 100% have empty globals

and off globals u can ise

[blazing condor]

[jagged pier]

like your saying u dont have globals but if i have globals and time to move away from the boss and charge, and still get higher cpm

your slow at pressing buttons

[haughty sleet]

Ball don’t lie

[jagged pier]

your TC casts are also 2 CPM less thats a lot of free SS's

from procs

[verbal ledge]

I am old and tired apparently, maybe i can try working on implementing that charge weaving tho. But wasting rage is a bigger issue tho...even the when offtanking the only way to avoid that may be pressing IP even tho not needed

[jagged pier]

u should be pressing IP

so u dont overcap

so u can use more SS's and TC's

looks its good damage for sure dont get me wrong, but there is a lot u can do to do more

[verbal ledge]

Has 350 more haste than me and talks about higher cpm

[verbal ledge]

I agree and i appreciate the Input

[jagged pier]

Haste isnt that big i wish it was

[strong forum]

for necro haste plays quite the role

atleast for glory

but 350 haste isnt gonna make or break a log

in pure ST crit/vers are better dmg stats

outside of necro

[verbal ledge]

Well, still explains at least the 2-3 casts per Minute difference

I would assume at least

[jagged pier]

Less

[strong forum]

well 350 haste is 10%

almost 11%

but idk

[jagged pier]

Well if we just take the 10% of 5

That would be .5 cpm more

I know it doesnt actually work like that but. Its really isnt much more

[verbal ledge]

?

[strong forum]

where is even the log

[jagged pier]

3 and 6 on guardian comparing mine to his

[verbal ledge]

Comparing rank 3 guardian vs rank 6 guardian

[jagged pier]

Hes sayi g because of my 350 more haste i have 5 more cpm

[verbal ledge]

I actually didnt say that, but i am under the Impression that haste affects cpm

In multiple ways

[strong forum]

it does

especially given our SS reset chance from devastator, revenge, ss, tc and execute

[jagged pier]

Im not disagreeing but i also move away out of range 6 more times so there are literal points im not hitting the boss

[strong forum]

but ye

10% haste shouldnt result in 400 rage generation difference

its almost 20% rage gain difference

if you include rage wasted

between you two

[verbal ledge]

Exactly

[strong forum]

which means some casts have been missed

also some RNG obv

[jagged pier]

That 250 wasted rage is also more rage gen

And casts

[strong forum]

execute being higher on jakeys end may come from his fight lasting longer

your SS dmg is higher Cru cuz loads more crit gear

[jagged pier]

And 10% more uptime of sb

[verbal ledge]

And higher sb uptime probably

[strong forum]

ah reprisal?

[verbal ledge]

No

Both Wall

[strong forum]

hm

well jakey you also only crit 16% of SS

Cru crit 36%

small diff

:^)

[jagged pier]

Yer it was still once of my first raids with omni was just wearig tank gear

[verbal ledge]

Well i mean, SS gives extra rage with the Wall but the SS cast difference isnt that huge so can probably not make a big dif either

[strong forum]

well its a diff of 200 dps

thats substantial

[verbal ledge]

I meant the rage gain, sorry

[strong forum]

okay so

in the timewindow of 4:20

jakey generated 250 more rage

which is around 10%

which could be explained by haste

so yeh

but the wasted part

is just yike

still ofc a good log

crit good

[verbal ledge]

That has been pointed out on multiple occasions, working on it

[jagged pier]

Whats the difference in TC and charge casts at 4:20 tho nome?

Like that has nothing to do with haste

[strong forum]

47 to 55

thats close to 20% diff

21 to 16 sb tho

actually cru just highrolled his crits

he only has 5% more crit

[jagged pier]

Yer i was just saving for tanking tbh

[verbal ledge]

Thats what i do

[strong forum]

nvm its 7%

still

highrolled

also 40 more str

[verbal ledge]

Well, 233 trinket with mastery only vs 252 trinket with str

[strong forum]

wait how

how is that only 40 str

should be more than 90

??

hax?

[verbal ledge]

Ye, should be.

Also my 252 phial vs his 246

[strong forum]

ah

you dont have 259 wrist

[verbal ledge]

No 😦

[strong forum]

but weird

very weird that you only have 40str more

when you have 259 shield and fusion amp

[verbal ledge]

Thats weird indeed..

[jagged pier]

That doesmt sound right

Oh well one of thoughs things i guess

🤷‍♂️

[distant crystal]

Cruisaviér right

[verbal ledge]

Cant find the reason for it tbh

[verbal ledge]

That would be me, yes

[humble tendon]

guyz korthite cruystals will be still usefull or better to be sold these days?

[distant crystal]

i wonder where it gets the stat numbers

if you're not crafting legendaries sell them @humble tendon

[strong forum]

the crystals wont be useful in 9.2

[humble tendon]

nah not crafting anything i have reprisal and i will crfat new leggos nothing else before i think its useless

thanks for answers guyz

[verbal ledge]

@strong forum just checked the vod from the kill and the value seems correct. There has to be sth that is responsible for the weird difference of only 44str

[distant crystal]

i think it's just a WCL oddity

[strong forum]

i asked some higher ups for help

[distant crystal]

idk where it sources those stat numbers

[verbal ledge]

Thats what i doubt, i think wcl is showing the correct value

Thats why i checked my vod

[distant crystal]

maybe jakey got healed right before pull so he had the conduit proc

[strong forum]

wcl is defo not always right

there can often happen funky shit

[shut summit]

yea its just snapshotting shit weird prolly

he had adaptive on pull etc

[strong forum]

hm

[verbal ledge]

Adaptive would be more than 44str

It boosts me up from 1668 to 1734

[distant crystal]

like your gear has 1064 raw str

[strong forum]

ya thats perfect then?

jakey had AAP

which is gonna result in 70str

[verbal ledge]

Is it?

[strong forum]

you have shield is 259 which is more stats than wrist

then take in the trinket ilvl difference + the entire slot difference

and you have 44 discrepancy

[distant crystal]

jakey shhould be 961 from gear

where the hell is all the extra str coming from lol

10% for armor bonus

[strong forum]

trinket

[distant crystal]

20 for feast?

trinket is included

raw number on gear is 1064 vs 961 if my count is righht

[verbal ledge]

Sounds about right at least, i guess

So its a snapshot thing with wcl?

[verbal ledge]

Good Call

Thanks for your time, was fun

[distant crystal]

now i wanna know where all that extra str came from lol

i count 1206 from gear/enchants with plate armor bonus

and i think feast

[strong forum]

i remember having 1334 str

on my 243 ilvl

so idk

ya 1386

[distant crystal]

oh

i'm dumb

base str exists

lol

447 at lvl 60

[stray mason]

I was asking on the forums but not getting any replies, how is prot warrior doing in the grand scheme of things?

[sweet summit]

pretty good tbh

[stray mason]

how are they in comparison to other tanks performance wise? Also I like lots of buttons and stuff I got to think about, I haven't tanked before, is this a good fit?

[strong forum]

pwar is considered one of the harder tanks to play optimally, but is good enough to do literally every content except the absolute highest keys in the game

tanking requires you to know alot about the fight youre doing so you can use your defensives preemtively before you take damage

pwar is quite beginner unfriendly in that regard because you have very little to help yourself in surprise moments, youre more prone to dying to mistakes than other tanks in higher level of content

but in the end its wow, and nothing is actually hard to play

[modern brook]

is the free swapping of cov account or character bound

[mellow bridge]

Account pretty sure

[mighty valley]

yeah think so, i've switched my alts around a lot

[brazen yarrow]

kyrian good for all content and war specs tho right

[teal swift]

🫂 @jagged pier

[rugged mural]

Hello. Just ran into some issues with a ToP. Did the Shackled Souls in two pulls of 6. First pull went fine. Second pull killed me SO FAST. And then it did it again. Looking at death logs, the vast majority of the damage is Soul Touch with a bit of melee and Bind Soul in there. What did I do wrong?

[worthy karma]

Umm spell reflect could have help mitigate the magic dmg and maybe saving last stand could have helped with the health boost other then that pray and rotate stuns on them. Least I think

[waxen orbit]

You can reflect the first round of Soul Touches. You can kick Bind Soul, as can anyone else. If you or someone else gets targeted with multiple and the rest of the group has used their group stuns/CC, use your shockwave

In addition, you can reflect a Bind Soul while the cast is going out, but you’ll get more value out of reflecting the Soul Touches instead

Other than that, the melees are purely a thing of defensive usage, not having your back turned, and/or not having shield block up

[teal swift]

Primel 41 3/6

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[waxen orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/wordle-obscure-gif-24482500

[teal swift]

@waxen orbit try prim

Primel

[gleaming pecan]

I’m currently geared mostly for arms pvp but low enough ilvl (189) I could make the switch to prot. My question is can I do wel as a Necro lord prot warrior

[stray mason]

Any reason to pick prot warrior over other tanks? trying to understand the nuances, not down playing anything

[sturdy sable]

Battle shout lol

[vale mural]

what is the stat priority for protection?

[sturdy sable]

Ilvl haste>crit=verse>mastery

[vale mural]

for raiding imean sorry is it the same?

[sturdy sable]

Or just sim for dos

Dps*

[stray mason]

@sturdy sableu talking to me?

[sturdy sable]

Ye battle shout is my answer to your question

Other then play it because you enjoy it

Tank pick literally doesnt matter in raid

[vale mural]

i see thank you

[sturdy sable]

And wont matter for 99.9% of players for m+

[hearty terrace]

hey guys need some help picking my main alt 🙂 could ya give me some pros an cons for warrior 🙂 mainly inkeys

[formal elbow]

ahahaha 😄

[jagged pier]

🫂 4/6

[gray iris]

so with am my blocked hits are 75%

massive improvement in casting more intervene, sob, ds and avatar

i still struggle to interrupt main casts on time

specially when there are two or three mobs with high damaging casts

[urban portal]

You either shockwave, or kick one and pray the other two gets kicked

[gray iris]

yeah i mostly go with pugs and casts rarely get interrupted or cc'd...

did 12+ and i had the 3rd highest dps close to second

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nR6pGxThwg4k1NBJ/#boss=-3&difficulty=0&type=casts&source=5

[young galleon]

what covenant will u be playing in 9.2? havent looked in to warr on ptr

[jagged pier]

anything but venthyr

[teal swift]

https://converged.yt/primel/

@jagged pier try this Jakey

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[thick hedge]

hello protect warriors!

i see tier warr protect and like a lot! it's works fine??

[dawn canyon]

all tanks work

[teal swift]

@jagged pier Wordle 238 3/6*

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Hardmode now that I've found the setting

[quiet mauve]

hey guys, is Anger Management talent still good for M+? i see a lot of people playing Heavy Repercussions

[jagged pier]

Yer its still AM

And will be even more AM next patch

[quiet mauve]

thanks ❤️

[grizzled lotus]

Orly? I thought HR was just as good if not better in M+ with Reprisal synergy. Massive SB uptime, I see lots of top raider.io people using it. There are a couple AM users (which proves viability) but I thought HR ws dominant?

Clearly with 4 piece its probably AM all day though

[strong forum]

HR is dominant in push keys

not alot of people push keys

[blazing condor]

Its just skewed number cus you look at top players and not the entire base

[inner sable]

Are you guys going to be recrafting your Wall leggo to shoulders, or keep it as a cape?

[sweet summit]

craft it on cloak

[mellow bridge]

shoulders are a tier slot so unlikely

[inner sable]

thats what I figured lol, thanks all!