And a lot of the best ones were generic passive increases
#protection
west walrus
gn everyone 
mighty valley
i think blizzard has been slowly leaking people for a long long time, some a natural consequence of an aging game but also like... shitty environment etc
so fewer people, stretched thin, less time for iteration, more things just have to ship at "good enough to not break the game"
and then a pandemic, so
so smart people have good ideas but they don't always get the time/focus to get to great
anyway this is armchair game development
maybe they're all just playing with hot wheels
balmy narwhal
Does sylvanas Withering fire just randomly attacks people? Because sometimes people go to like 5 stacks in 10 seconds
oblique garnet
Until it was capped
chilly brook
Until it was capped
Literal worst change of BFA
oblique garnet
Literal worst change of BFA
Wouldnt go that far UF nerf was way worse especially since they never reverted it
waxen orbit
Nice job Blizz kekw
Small servers about to be left like ghost towns when all the content pushers leave them to join a popular realm and a boosting guild in light of the recent development not allowing boosters to advertise/boost cross-realm
Not gonna be a mass exodus but going to still be an even more noticeable contrast in server pop now
Love to see it
teal swift
I'm okay with this.
mighty valley
do we have any data on how widespread boosting is, like what percentage of players receive boosting
absolutely alien concept to me
waxen orbit
Boosting is alien to you?
teal swift
I literally don't give a shit about small servers
A52, tich, illidan is where all the action is
waxen orbit
Spoken like someone who has not played on a small server
teal swift
I started on farstriders
mighty valley
yes, why the fuck would i want to spend my money to get carried just to get some numbers to go up
teal swift
Have you even heard of that server?
teal swift
It was 2nd from bottom in world LOL
H ICC25 was cleared 3 weeks into cata
I was there for wotlk then started to move around
But yes, I've been on small servers.
I've been on like 30 different servers
Trying to find the right home.
I legit just don't care what happens on servers I'm not on
waxen orbit
It’s just not going to be good for the health of servers. I don’t wanna see a major split of servers that do content, and servers that just flat out don’t
teal swift
I'm on a52 finally.
Just do away with servers tbh.
Do away with factions
Let everyone play with everyone, it's cross server anyways.
waxen orbit
I legit just don't care what happens on servers I'm not on
I mean that’s just an ideological difference I suppose
teal swift
Ye u not wrong
waxen orbit
Let everyone play with everyone, it's cross server anyways.
Ping would shoot through the roof, servers exist for a reason
Gold economy would be trucked
Like there’s a web of issues
mighty valley
we're always going to be sharded somehow
teal swift
You can still shard to servers
But remove the restrictions
Gold economy would be fine, it always is.
But they should offer free faction change in 9.2.5
waxen orbit
Gold economy would be fine, it always is.
teal swift
For one character
More sellers, more buyers. I make plenty of money even on the biggest server in the world.
teal swift
More competitive market. It honestly would hardly change.
Mat surplus... Ban the bots dumping 250000 leather a day
The a52 market is entirely propped up by mass botting.
It's the only reason we have enough materials.
waxen orbit
I agree with that but that still doesn’t do away with the fact that merging every single server would fuck gold economy, RP servers, guilds, ping, etc.
teal swift
Like, for R6 leggos
waxen orbit
Like that’s just flat out not a good idea
teal swift
We had people importing from like 20 different servers
To keep up with demand
Korthite was an issue,
I ended up making giga profit selling missives
Buying bottled herbs posted at ass o clock
That were like 4-5g per herb
Lmao
But ping is a non issue because of sharding
RP could be a toggle like warmode.
As for economy, gold would stabalize.
Let's agree to disagree tho
I like you too much to argue about silly things 
mighty valley
i doubt their auction house technology could handle a million + players interacting with one instance of it
but who knows
mighty valley
anyway the whole boosting thing just doesn't impact me in any way shape or form so
i dunno
yall figure yourselves out
teal swift
I never boosted through the communities, always private group sales
I bought aotc runs a fair bit when cheap enough
But like idgaf enough to care
I just want them all gone
I'm interest to see the top 5 guilda
They'll prolly have to hire guild advertisers
mighty valley
the whole point of wow to me is a series of challenges i overcome with my friends
teal swift
To pay for rwf
They pool mass gold and used to just boost through communities
Now they have to find their own buyers.
So they'll prolly hire advertisers.
mighty valley
yeah they'll find a way
chilly brook
Spoken like someone who has not played on a small server
I was on Dragonmaw, tbh playing on a small server is just not good for your experience in the game
On one hand I’d say just swap servers but that does cost money so on the other hand I do think blizz should just consolidate or offer free xfers
mighty valley
it's tough because the pop of this old ass game is always gonna come and go in waves
mighty valley
they can consolidate to some degree but if all servers felt populated in off season everything would collapse at expac launch
mighty valley
yeah they've done some merges, prob time to do more
but anyway i can't bring myself to care about the needs of boosters or the boosted
waxen orbit
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oblique garnet
do we have any data on how widespread boosting is, like what percentage of playe...
Majority are affiliated with boosting one way or another
waxen orbit
Actively affiliating with the community that you've previously admitted that you actively avoid
distant crystal
we just 3 shot sylv and are now on the 5th shot on fate 
waxen orbit
Sounds about right
oblique garnet
wow, where'd you get the numbers?
All the boost community discords totaled over 500k people then you ofc have individual people also boosting etc etc and since well retail probably has around 1m active users at this point
Classic boosting also exists and its huge but there is no communities that i know of
The active character numbers from this expansion during launch were 6m in 9.1 they dropped to 3m and given how long the content draught has been 1m active retail players is a fair estimate
mighty valley
hmm but a lot of the members on those discords probably overlapped and also many are likely among the lapsed players
in any case still very sizeable
for something that to me is a pretty sad way to play the game, heh
but to each their own
oblique garnet
I mean most boosts were bought by boosters just gearing up alts
waxen orbit
I mean if you push high content you need the gold provided from selling boosts to supply the purchase of mats and whatnot
oblique garnet
^
mighty valley
i don't fault people for selling boosts at all, if the demand's there make use of it
oblique garnet
Even if you dont actively push keys etc you will spend on average 50k a week just on consumables during progress
waxen orbit
^ Average "living" cost for PVE in WoW basically demands it
Unfortunately herbing/crafting just doesn't compare
oblique garnet
Even more because of the legendaries now
mighty valley
i know, i just get sad about the other side of the coin
where casual players pay money to skip the character growth part of the game
then say "there's nothing to do" and quit
oblique garnet
I dont think casual players have a lack of content as much as the hardcore ones do
And by casual i mean those that are clearing maybe heroic maybe pushing 15s etc
mighty valley
sure but the hardcore ones are the ones selling the boosts to fund prog
waxen orbit
Not really exclusively “hardcore” players
oblique garnet
Yes but thats because blizzard themselves created inflation that caused all the prices to skyrocket
waxen orbit
You had lots of 2.2k/2.3k, 10/10 heroic players selling boosts
Incredibly widespread
waxen orbit
Yes but thats because blizzard themselves created inflation that caused all the ...
sob in wow token
oblique garnet
There is no way to sustain yourself without grinding herbs or skinning for hours on end
Boosting is the easiest way for hardcore players to make enough gold
mighty valley
like i said, i'm not criticizing anyone for selling boosts
oblique garnet
Personally the good part about communities was that it was good way to network for the lower ranked people to the upper bracket
waxen orbit
That and there was also responsibility for playing like shit
There was a hierarchy and a chain of command and if you fucked up, it got noted and if you did it enough, you'd get restricted from boosting with that community further in the future
oblique garnet
Also the communities made it a safety net so you wouldnt get scammed and lessened the rmt boosting
waxen orbit
Now you're gonna see a lot of scam boosting and RMT
waxen orbit
Also the communities made it a safety net so you wouldnt get scammed and lessene...
This
oblique garnet
Im not saying i rmt but i have had few people asking me if i could after the policy change which never happened before 
Which is kinda sad considering the state of game where i would personally like to spend as little money on the game as possible
waxen orbit
When you really sit down and think about it
This could genuinely lead to more token sales, as mind-boggling as that sounds
oblique garnet
This could genuinely lead to more token sales, as mind-boggling as that sounds
I mean eventually yeah or the people just go to certain players and buy straight from them because its cheaper than tokens
But cutting communities will also make the people who only stuck around for boosting between tiers to just stop playing
mighty valley
they can't really fully kill the communities, if the discords are that popular they'll just do more organizing out of game and will overall have less acquisition I guess
which will hurt boosting overall since it'll be less discoverable
oblique garnet
They made recent clarifications
Which effectively killed the new boost community idea
Now if you want to advertise for a boost you need to do it personally and partake in the run
mighty valley
they just can't police out-of-game organization
oblique garnet
No but all they have to do is follow the gold
Which again encourages more rmt
Ill give it couple of months before blizzard stops cracking on the communities and everything goes back to way it was
Its way too much manpower needed to enforce everything
mighty valley
yeah i can't imagine it's feasible to track all gold transactions and try and isolate patterns that look like boosting
and not worth the false positives that get caught up in it
when ultimately it's a big mechanism where people are encouraged to pay blizzard more money to get gold for getting boosted
teal swift
yeah i can't imagine it's feasible to track all gold transactions and try and is...
It's actually very doable
There would be some false positives
But you can have a small team look after it.
mighty valley
blizzard financial crimes unit
waxen orbit
Yeah could def be at least helpful
teal swift
Especially when you have omniscient view on all data
You can't hide gold transactions from blizzard.
Could have an algorithm flag transactions,
Have an ai network consider socio economic variables
And generate numbers such as bond factor
Based on how the two players have interacted via messages, and instances etc.
You can also see where said gold goes etc.
It's definitely doable. But it isn't free.
And would require some manpower to really verify things, and to deal with appeals.
But all of these steps could also stop gold buying with the dumb websites
And force token purchases, potentially breaking even
mighty valley
guess I don't have faith that they'll do much of this given they're always eager to slash customer service to the bone
oblique garnet
The issue becomes when the gold gets divided and distributed into peoples gold
You have no real way to flag it if its within policy gold or different one
teal swift
Absolutely. You can't really stop the gold from moving
But you can ban entry points / sale points
teal swift
As well as boosting communities
Why not
Illegal gold buying is cancer
Perma ban anyone who buys illegal gold. Hard line.
oblique garnet
So youd have to track every single mail/auction ever
They dont have resources to do that
teal swift
Algorithms and AI could handle it :) and it doesn't have the be in real time :)
oblique garnet
Yeah track people selling items on auction house and still get flagged for false positives
Its a losing battle
The algorithm would get fucked the moment it would have to determine if the auction is real individual person selling for x amount or a gold seller
In theory its possible
In reality not so much
distant crystal
Feel like the auction house is way easier to spot like, really easy to see the outliers that are obvious money moving auctions
handing off gold in person could have an excuse
ocean reef
handing off gold in person could have an excuse
Even then you don't know the monkeys who would genuinely buy an item for 500k gold, even if it's not worth that amount, and if they'd say "Yeah I'm fine with the purchase" then Blizzard can't do anything about it
jagged pier
ppls AH addons sometimes make them buy that 1 potion for 1mil gold if they arent careful
ocean reef
Assuming it's a gold purchase sale, then the buyer and seller will both say "Yes it was an intended purchase"
If both give consent in the purchase, they'd need 3rd party logs to prove it otherwise
ocean reef
Even then you don't know the monkeys who would genuinely buy an item for 500k go...
.
Refer to this
autumn pendant
That is a lot of manpower . ˇIt is like war on drugs. You cant win on that scale
teal swift
I suggest we just use ai and bots
jagged pier
5/6 @teal swift
teal swift
And just auto suspend
autumn pendant
AI and bots are known to also cause some unwanted effects after all
ocean reef
Then who is to say it's a bad purchase if there's no other of that item up
Apart from if you had knowledge of the value of said item to not be 500k
west walrus
Gm 
autumn pendant
Gm
teal swift
Wordle 230 2/6
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ocean reef
It's easy to just say "We should do this, it'll fix it all"
But it's way more difficult to actually put it into practice
And for it to work
teal swift
@jagged pier
autumn pendant
It's easy to just say "We should do this, it'll fix it all"
JUST DO IT
ocean reef
Because of the amount of variables you have to account for and you inevitably need manual labour anyway
ocean reef
JUST DO IT
Will do it just for you, Shia
autumn pendant
Arigato
teal swift
But it's way more difficult to actually put it into practice
Ofc
Simple doesn't describe difficulty
It'd be insanely difficult to execute that
ocean reef
All they can do is take action whenever it's reported and that's about it
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025>
gj
teal swift
So lucky today
ocean reef
Since gold selling is on such a big scale in reality that they can't take a mass preventive measure without hurting legitimate people
And the illegitimate purchases will find some loophole
teal swift
I don't know how so many people get away with it
Ngl
I know like 20-30 peolle
Who buy like 1m a month
ocean reef
Then enact the judgment that you deem right considering your stance on this, and report them
teal swift
I wonder with the lack of boosting communities
If it'll be easier
To see this shit.
jagged pier
Who buy like 1m a month
i was getting that from turning up to raid now i cant do that 😦
teal swift
Then enact the judgment that you deem right considering your stance on this, and...
I don't like the idea of reporting my peers.
Unless it's a grotesque violation.
teal swift
i was getting that from turning up to raid now i cant do that 😦
I miss selling jaina mount in 8?3
Suh free gold ngl
ocean reef
Isn't that just being a part of the problem that you see then, by not removing buyers from the market?
teal swift
Policing your peers actions is incredibly toxic.
jagged pier
well we boosted hc and mythic 7/10 every week, and next patch we were going to do hc and slyv for mount
cant do that now tho
literally gold income is 📉
autumn pendant
Isn't that just being a part of the problem that you see then, by not removing b...
It def is
teal swift
I disagree.
ocean reef
It might be but is a market with cheaper gold through illegitimate means also toxic?
teal swift
But that's not my responsibility.
teal swift
There are staff for that.
ocean reef
If you don't do anything, Blizzard wont be able to do it
autumn pendant
And there are players that need to help blizz
ocean reef
Because they don't have the info to know that they buy gold
You help them, help you, achieve what you think is right
teal swift
Absolutely not.
autumn pendant
If you see speedhacker for exemeple, you gonna ignore it and say * somebody will deal with it* or you gonna report him?
He will get caught eventually
ocean reef
Just because there's someone who has a job for it, as a whole it hurts the overall health of the game that you seem to enjoy a whole lot
ocean reef
So why not make that persons job easier, by reporting said individuals who make it unhealthy
teal swift
Just because there's someone who has a job for it, as a whole it hurts the overa...
Snitches are scum.
ocean reef
So you go from a more objective view with a solution into a subjective stance
teal swift
Because, you shouldn't report on your peers.
ocean reef
You think it shouldn't be a thing, they break the rules, but because you know them you won't do it
autumn pendant
You def should if there is legit reason for it
teal swift
Even when I don't know them.
blazing condor
Are we back to talking about jobs being created from bad people
ocean reef
In a way yes
autumn pendant
Are we back to talking about jobs being created from bad people
We talking about ignoring issues but wanting drastic and complicated measures to be implemented
¯_(ツ)_/¯
ocean reef
You are helping the problem to keep manifesting by not doing anything, when you know people buy gold by not reporting it so that they get taken off said problematic market, even if you want the market to be rid of
oblique garnet
If you know someone rmts and dont report about it cant really complain about it either
autumn pendant
Big true
jagged pier
one of the biggest trues
honest plinth
Dont get me wrong but lets be real half of the ppl we are doing hc/mythic boosting runs are selling gold and you know them
jagged pier
everyone i boosted with didnt we were saving for next tier
or like erga
dreadnought set
oblique garnet
Boosting so i can afford to play the game 
blazing condor
I had to boost a bit to afford r6 leggo lmfao
jagged pier
Boosting so i can afford to play the game <:deswind:533073964096946176>
thats as well
blazing condor
I had gambled my money in raid
sick sentinel
I suggest we just use ai and bots
imperfect technology + a lot of money needed to invest in such a young and immature technology. simply not worth it
teal swift
I was already proven wrong, in theory, and then people called my ethics into question
oblique garnet
Imagine implementing AI to the spaghetti that is blizzard coding
teal swift
I'd like to just drop the discussion.
sick sentinel
nah the idea is good but in 5 years or so or when wow gets a complete recode which will prob be never
sick sentinel
Imagine implementing AI to the spaghetti that is blizzard coding
everything that is 20 years old
is spaghetti
sick sentinel
oblique garnet
everything that is 20 years old
Wow code is special kind of spaghetti and you can see it from ptr when the new covenant legendary can be used on every slot at the same time 
sick sentinel
they change akali w aatrox r gives him ap or someshit
jagged pier
Wow code is special kind of spaghetti and you can see it from ptr when the new c...
close to patch btw :
sick sentinel
i hope they delay it a bit in order to fix the bugd
also is it possible that they reduce the time needed to obtain both legendaries and then tune the raid for double leggo
sick sentinel
well undertuned raid again i guess
oblique garnet
Yeah im worried
oblique garnet
Waiting over 6 months for tier to be done in 3 weeks
Wait no even more
How long has it been
jagged pier
well im not in a guild that good
strong forum
I feel like sod is already 8 months old
jagged pier
isnt it over that?
oblique garnet
Uhh
sick sentinel
idk havent caught up much on the systems and shit
oblique garnet
3rd week?
sick sentinel
omg blizz please
change it
bro there is no way they do the same hsit as with sod
sick sentinel
tune the raid for shards and the raid would be more fun this way u just oneshot everything the moment u get shards
oblique garnet
Nah the bosses are fun
strong forum
3rd mythic week*
sick sentinel
Nah the bosses are fun
same tbh i like them
strong forum
Damn wtf, sanctum released in July
jagged pier
strong forum
Holy shit
sick sentinel
zamn
oblique garnet
Damn wtf, sanctum released in July
Depression
strong forum
In legion you'd have already finished the 4th tier by this time lol
Not start the 3rd tier soon tm
What a mess
autumn pendant
Wait
oblique garnet
Ye same in bfa
oblique garnet
Oh new pfp
strong forum
I've been had
teal swift
@jagged pier big hugs my friend
jagged pier
🤗
oblique garnet
I've been had
Stop changing pfps all the time 
strong forum
I would never
strong forum
strong forum
You have a script so technically
You aren't changing anything
The change has been made to reoccur on a set schedule
strong forum
Thus not actually changing
brittle owl
get rekt
brittle owl
jagged pier
tropic linden
only time shackle undead is useful in shadowlands
blazing condor
blazing condor
@brittle owl Te iubesc pup pup
brittle owl
@blazing condor 
blazing condor
you don't happen to be a law student from bucharest right
blazing condor
sadge maybe you knew my friend
mighty valley
good morning
i just want to say that this has become part of my life philosophy
thank you dog with crown
blazing condor
deft hinge
today i was at the old morgue were i live reviewing its renewal, i wanted to tell the man there that i was working on my necro, im glad i hid my honest and upfront mind. i got so many chances, phew i made it without floppin
shut summit
blazing condor
today i was at the old morgue were i live reviewing its renewal, i wanted to tel...
mighty valley
Good job not floppin
distant crystal
👀
jagged pier
blazing condor
sweet summit
waxen orbit
plucky hearth
2nd key as prot warrior lol wtf is this spec. Coming from bdk dps this is absurd
maybe i should try somethin above a 17
urban portal
yo
thats frost mage is doing my damage
and i firsted time it in a dos using hekili
jagged pier
what key was that?
mellow bridge
https://tenor.com/view/fire-emblem-mods-are-asleep-anankos-fire-emblem-fates-val...
what's that from
mellow bridge
looks cool
waxen orbit
Yeah tbh thought it was something from the most recent Smash campaign b/c I haven't fully played that
quiet zinc
does the banner extension apply to the other ppl aswell or only for the warrior himself?
jagged pier
only warrior
quiet zinc
aight
strong forum
but still.. wtf is prot dam
na bro according to "top dmg logs" pwar is 2k behind every other tank in dps
plucky hearth
what key was that?
17 mists
yeah if i did that 2 keys in im sure i can break 10 when i figure my shit out
ows + 252 phial, or ows + 239 matrix?
strong forum
mighty valley
i'd guess phial for pure dam but matrix if your life is at all at risk
strong forum
69
jagged pier
ive done like close to 10k with rep but seismic really tips it
mighty valley
we just don't get there by pressing one CD and spamming one button
gonna cry on reddit
jagged pier
blazing condor
strong forum
hoho
jagged pier
like 8 k for mists is a bit low tbh i did that in ToP 20 today in defensive gear
strong forum
yea
blazing condor
but honestly
strong forum
think so
blazing condor
yeah
considering its the last patch
we gonna have a whole year
to get our shit straight
and our dps up
strong forum
average dps will be 13-14k
waxen orbit
For pwar*
waxen orbit
Naw not with the way ppal can run bulwark/resonance with Sera procs
strong forum
idk, but numbers ive seen so far on ptr is tanks doing 11k
overall
except naowh in his meme halls
jagged pier
time will tell
strong forum
where he did 19k
waxen orbit
I been hitting 13k on the low end for prot warr on PTR and 17k low end for ppal. Maybe too early to tell but idk
blazing condor
revenge
mighty valley
there are so many factors
i'm sure we're behind at current tuning but feelycrafting out numbers doesn't mean much right now
strong forum
ye are factually behind
but i cant judge how much
cuz i havent seen anything worth looking at
current situation is like SL beta
where people did 22s with VDH full kiting meta
and frostmages soloing entire dungeons
waxen orbit
Hold up SL is out of beta?
strong forum
not rly
waxen orbit
waxen orbit
Ngl I been playing some ESO while raidlogging WoW
Not a bad game
Dragonknight tanking plays really similar to pwarr
strong forum
i tried it for like 2 days
first 2 hrs were awesome
so much shit happening
then you just got so many buttons but you could only ever equip 4
literally ruined it
waxen orbit
You just made a bad build in that situation
strong forum
bro i was level 13
waxen orbit
You gotta go prio into passives
strong forum
WHAT BUILD
waxen orbit
There are builds n shit
strong forum
ya but not at level 13
waxen orbit
Acquired taste
strong forum
hm
in the 20s plka has done in his vods
he did like 7-8k as pally
and 8-9k as pwar, albeit necro
but thats from 2-3 weeks ago
blazing condor
prolly
waxen orbit
I mean that's also the DPS we do on live currently with the pulls you do in Halls
Kinda inflates the numbers
waxen orbit
Hmm okay
strong forum
ToP 20
ya idk
seems eerily low?
for everyone
but i guess thats cuz ilvl
and lots of dying
strong forum
ah that top they didnt even finish
DoS20 same numbers
but also necro, so a decent dmg loss
wait no thats kyrian in dos
blazing condor
waxen orbit
this is halls 20
But our tier set doesn't benefit our AOE which is what really gives the inflation in Halls so that was 100% just a combination of good play + ST damage from necro
strong forum
i know we dont scale into aoe as much as any other tank
but its still a decent gain from rfdt
cuz we get 3rage/sec in aoe
instead of 1-1.5/sec in ST
waxen orbit
I'm talking about a direct bonus. Yea the rage gen gives more revenge opportunity obvi
strong forum
i know
mighty valley
more rage = more avatar too which is just flat gain
strong forum
we have the only set that doesnt get better in aoe
like brew, guardian, vdh or bdk
pally set is kinda the same on ST and aoe
cuz 3sec ICD now
west walrus
we have the only set that doesnt get better in aoe
TC
west walrus
Yes, lol :D
jagged pier
theoretically u can say as it will increase TC damage but 0x 100 is still 0
strong forum
its just so dumb that the extra dmg TC will do gets made up by the 2 extra revenges you get from SS
waxen orbit
TC is basically just our token rotation filler/AOE slow
mighty valley
i'm sure there's a number where spending procs on tc is good but... not a reasonable one lol
strong forum
there really isnt Harrow
cuz the extra 4k you get from TC, are made up by the 2 revenges you get from SS rage gain
west walrus
I was just joking about "no aoe gain" :D
strong forum
THE ONLY TIME i can see you using TC is literally on pull with avatar, to prevent disgusting rage overflow
for threat
waxen orbit
But yea what I was saying earlier is the main reason why I predict ppal will likely beat us in M+ overall DPS is just because bulwark will be viable no matter what as a double lego option at all key levels on top of resonance and the scaling of prim stat with that is gonna be pretty shplonky
strong forum
cuz avatar, ravager, spear and BV is a bit much rage
pally will be better
no doubt
blazing condor
gonna be pog
waxen orbit
It's okay but it's just not super noticeable ig
blazing condor
is crit build gonna be bis with em + seismic?
waxen orbit
In low keys yea
blazing condor
good cus i got that already
strong forum
then it depends on comf
blazing condor
didn't really run my crit build in 5 pwarr
strong forum
i dont run a crit build either
blazing condor
but idk its kinda degen to run OPC n shit
strong forum
i hate phial
waxen orbit
Current build goin dumb
strong forum
its so boring
blazing condor
think i got like 30% crit and 20% haste
waxen orbit
20% haste is kinda my comfort zone ngl
strong forum
25%
waxen orbit
More is nice but I ain't really need it
strong forum
too much vers
waxen orbit
strong forum
waxen orbit
Mf you just say 7% "too much vers"?
strong forum
na crit blocks are jooce
strong forum
simple as
jagged pier
vers is boring
chilly brook
vers is boring
Wdym vers makes my 16s stupidly easy
chilly brook
I basically don’t need to rely on the healer as much and it lets the group do more damage
waxen orbit
Man I've tanked 16s in my speed set
chilly brook
strong forum
waxen orbit
Ya for raid
mighty valley
haste/x for the 99.9%
strong forum
blazing condor
Me when the el is dorado
strong forum
people when you say vers doesnt matter
strong forum
nani
waxen orbit
If you need vers for a 15 you're sus
blazing condor
How can u be a sf ifu didnt love that
Know *
Nah im too drunk i aint gonna talk more and seem more stupid than i usually d
:bedge
jagged pier
8
strong forum
hol up
jagged pier
8 fingers 2 thumbs
come on nome i know your internets down but dont loose your brain
jagged pier
mine looks like the left brain not gunna lie
waxen orbit
Average WoW player
mighty valley
desperate for left brain
modern brook
Bro ur thumbs a finger
strong forum
ur thumbs a finger, but a finger isnt a thumb
strong forum
🕶️
sweet summit
?
distant crystal
sick sentinel
talkin about thumbs
mighty valley
let's talk about something a while so i can stop seeing this gif when i switch to this discord
mellow bridge
Patch date when
west walrus
west walrus
I love red pandas
mellow bridge
Ye same
mighty valley
mission accomplished
west walrus
But I can't change my warrior to a red panda
So my Twitch avatar is my red panda monk x)
sick sentinel
let's talk about something a while so i can stop seeing this gif when i switch t...
lmao
vocal bison
So is it just me or are tyrannical weeks basically the push weeks this patch? Seems like the affixes are weighted that way.
west walrus
Season 2, push weeks are tyranicals ones, basically
vocal bison
This week seems pretty cheese for example
dawn canyon
This one apparently is the last good tyra week of the calender
Apparently, im not sure on the calender and an just repeating what iirc Andy said
They went ally
Dwarf abusers on the loose
vocal bison
Fort raging explosives got messy
Sanguine is kinda annoying with spear, i may have screwed a few pulls with that, hehe
Im so happy for the sanguine nerfs though, i still have ptsd from tol dagor.
The 20 min pools and mobs that wouldnt give % but still dropped puddles
west walrus
Is necrotic the only affix which affect non elite mobs ?
I mean, among the ones triggers by mobs
Hmm, maybe explosives and storming too
vocal bison
Someone told me about tiny dancing shoes when playing dps for spiteful and that was huge.
It was like a new chapter in my life
sick sentinel
whats tiny dancing shoes
west walrus
I did a key with someone telling be was fed up about tanking.
ocean reef
whats tiny dancing shoes
Dodge the next 2 attacks after entering combat
vocal bison
whats tiny dancing shoes
Its one of the defensives you can select from the tormentors
west walrus
When someone ask me if I have a dps spec, I always answer "yes, prot" 
ocean reef
Helpful for Spiteful
vocal bison
Basically dont have to worry about spiteful 95% of time
ocean reef
Or if you have aggro issues
west walrus
gn
waxen orbit
gn <:bedge:882323848844963860>
Night x2
trim bay
jagged pier
Depends on dungeon and leggo and gear
young galleon
yo is any of the tormenter spells block/reflectable? cant find anything in the spreadsheet
tame jasper
how can u skip the last miniboss in halls? i read somewhere u can use https://www.wowhead.com/item=90175/gin-ji-knife-set but how exactly?
strong forum
Requires a monk and a paladin
The paladin has to sac the monk, the monk has to take dmg and press diffuse magic and target the last boss, then through some magic he will apply his magic touch with infinite range somehow
Pull the boss, then the boss resets, thus the door behind miniboss is open and you can then shroud past the boss
west walrus
GM
jagged pier
gray iris
did sd 12+...82% blocked hits with hr... Intervening quite a lot but still struggling with charge midfight...But my frequency of other casts have improved a little...ss at 8.4 cpm which is still bad
urban portal
That's fine
Chafing midfight isn't easy
Do focus on slam tho sometimes you revenge instead
urban portal
They'll get here eventually
Make sure your dps is ranged kicking
Also if packs are spread you can charge back and forth
gray iris
Make sure your dps is ranged kicking
what do you mean by that?
if they are spread i start to lose threat on them
urban portal
Like you don't want mobs casting perma
At range
You need to kick them so they come melee
If they are spread you charge to them and hit revenge
Until they follow you
And charge back
gray iris
oh okay that is a good advice
sacred notch
Morning guys ! I'm supposed to tank +24 HOA later today. I usually get destroyed by the last boss... (his dot hurts so much D:). Do you have any tip for this guy ?
gray iris
also isnt tank supposed to have a first kick in important casts? This last dung dps guys were kicking first like for example that inferno guy
tame jasper
Requires a monk and a paladin
thanks!
gray iris
what's a pug?
west walrus
Morning guys ! I'm supposed to tank +24 HOA later today. I usually get destroyed...
Spell reflect late to diminish damage from stigma and use one defensive for each one
west walrus
what's a pug?
Pick Up Group
dawn canyon
what's a pug?
A pick-up group aka your group finder people
sacred notch
Spell reflect late to diminish damage from stigma and use one defensive for each...
yes that's usually what I do
west walrus
Morning guys ! I'm supposed to tank +24 HOA later today. I usually get destroyed...
If you have time, kill soggodon to get broken mirror
gray iris
yeah, good idea
sacred notch
If you have time, kill soggodon to get broken mirror
I told the team we were doing Soggodon no matter what
soo I guess I'll just tell my healer to save my ass once I'm out of cd 😄
(he likes challenges :D)
west walrus
Which class?
sacred notch
Sham
dawn canyon
SLT can help
sacred notch
our comp is usually War tank - Sham heal - Monk (or war or ret) - Feral
west walrus
They have to use slt only when you call it :D
sacred notch
aaaaaaand one last pick up 😄
dawn canyon
our comp is usually War tank - Sham heal - Monk (or war or ret) - Feral
BASED
Feral really helps on Boss dam i guess
jagged pier
Morning guys ! I'm supposed to tank +24 HOA later today. I usually get destroyed...
The dot its the only thing that hurts and it ramps up in damage u need to save cds for the last 8 secds of the dot
sacred notch
yeah he is really good
sacred notch
The dot its the only thing that hurts and it ramps up in damage u need to save c...
Yeah so as Kuku said reflect the last 5s or so and CD late
west walrus
If only we could just deflect it :'(
urban portal
also isnt tank supposed to have a first kick in important casts? This last dung ...
Doesn't matter
sacred notch
yeah 😦
jagged pier
also isnt tank supposed to have a first kick in important casts? This last dung ...
U dont have ti kick first in pugs o usually save mine cause dps spunk them away
urban portal
I don't like the current design of spell reflect
It's either absurdly op
Or kinda eh
jagged pier
Blame bliz for that
urban portal
Should be more consistent
jagged pier
In beta u could reflect every thing and they were like oh thats not good for other tanks
urban portal
Two spells that feel the same one can't be reflected
west walrus
It should be : deflect or reflect any magical debuff stack
gray iris
U dont have ti kick first in pugs o usually save mine cause dps spunk them away
okay thanks guys
dawn canyon
No :(
west walrus
In beta u could reflect every thing and they were like oh thats not good for oth...
Yeah.. And bdk can shell it...
dawn canyon
I would like 1 min all deflects but itd Lose the wonderful boing effect
Also no dps reflect tech whihc i love
dawn canyon
Maybe give prot some more important deflects
dawn canyon
Like Chamberlain
What's weird is you can ams some stuff you can sr
But also sometimes ams doesnt do stuff sr does
Like the smash from muezala
urban portal
Consistently inconsistent
west walrus
Remember when we could deflect the debuff on Lady Inerva?
west walrus
The boss, tank mechanic
west walrus
They fixed that after a few months
jagged pier
No they fixed it on ptr
west walrus
I deflected it on live
jagged pier
U did not because it wasnt live
jagged pier
I just scrolled back throught the patch note couldnt see it 🤷
jagged pier
Find me a log or the ptach note and ill believe u
jagged pier
Told u
mortal brook
Eyir sucks
gilded tendonBOT
fuk u @mortal brook
jagged pier
@mortal brook
strong forum
Steve sucks eyir
gilded tendonBOT
fuk u @strong forum
strong forum
Wow rude
gilded tendonBOT
🧦
blazing condor
Eyir cock
jagged pier
Eyir cocks
gilded tendonBOT
jagged pier
Dog with crown wrong kekw
jagged pier
Petition to change goods name in this discord to dog with crown until he changes pfp
blazing condor
i will humbly accept The Council's verdict regarding this matter
no matter the outcome
west walrus
Do you wear the crown in game ?
blazing condor
a metaphorical crown
blazing condor
i have the normal version iirc
or maybe it was lfr
i played 9.1 for like a whole month
jagged pier
No u where playing in 9.1 for a while my dude
west walrus
Jewelers can craft one
jagged pier
U mean 8.1 dog with crown
blazing condor
just checking to see if you're with us
jagged pier
No negative thoughts are the nice joocy filling
blazing condor
spicy 
jagged pier
delicate gyro
Anyone know what the best leggo for prot is I will mainly be doing M+
blazing condor
Anyone know what the best leggo for prot is I will mainly be doing M+
reprisal
blazing condor
yup
delicate gyro
Ty ty ty
blazing condor
👍
Vent is our worst cov but still playable
doesn't make a super huge difference
gilded tendonBOT
🧦
humble tendon
Guyz what pot's u use? Just strength ones?
strong forum
str for aoe
phantom fire for st
sweet kayak
👍
humble tendon
thanks alot nome
deft hinge
NF ability, it interrupts in a period of 6 secs wasnt it? and with leggo does it interrupt longer or only dmg?
west walrus
It knocks back every 3 seconds, AA lasts 12 seconds so 5 knocks back
Leggo gives 3 more seconds, so 1 more knock back
Up to 5 targets
deft hinge
kk, tnx
somber sky
eyir socks
gilded tendonBOT
🧦
blazing condor
Holy
blazing condor
Yeah thats p much what you should run minus the victory rush conduit imo
kinda ass
but we don't really have any good endurance conduits left after those you already got. I personally run brutal vitality cus i haven't been assed to change from it
wild sandal
ok, some told me to not go through the mid one so wanted to be sure
wild sandal
ty
mellow bridge
the middle is very good for m+, not so much for raid
you could consider going left at the start too and play double potency with AAF
and then swap the victory rush conduit with the last stand one
plush tendon
I would avoid the first potency; the auto phial kind of sus in a lot of cases
blazing condor
yeah fuck auto-phial
plush tendon
granted, youd probably get better healing from the deepwounds endurance conduit then the victory rush
blazing condor
yeah ive never seen anyone run VR conduit
plush tendon
Also, no reason to be afraid to build a soulbind out strictly for prot unless you really hate going back to Elysian Hold
Since no more conduit energy
modern brook
Indelible is questionable
All 3 options suck
But indel is the one that sucks and is inconsistent
If you're running impending victory yeah sure but then we have to talk about thay
I personally prefer fueled by violence
But it's really a wash
There's a strong argument for going right to take inspiring presence instead of a 4th endurance
Esp for m+
But left does damage and damage is pog.