protection

[blazing condor]

too cold

[mellow gorge]

yea like

[blazing condor]

so i left

[mellow gorge]

people say he did a big bad

but for someone who did that big and badly

he sure does succumb very quick

[teal swift]

Yep just looked it up

[ionic fern]

Roughly jeah. I honestly can't remember all the various types. but generally yes, "chaos","shadow",blablabla count as magic damage.

[teal swift]

Yeah all those weird ones like cosmic

Are just multi school right?

Cosmic is what arcane, shadow, nature, holy

[blazing condor]

damage is damage

i simply mitigate it

[teal swift]

Chaos has holy + physical, does that mean AMS can't fully shield it??

[mellow gorge]

unless it's magic

in which case we are ead

[urban portal]

Rly

Fairly sure chaos is full mag

[blazing condor]

litreally worst class

[urban portal]

Since havoc is like 70% chaos

[urban portal]

Who knows man

[teal swift]

Hmm

[urban portal]

Wiki is outdated as shit

[mellow gorge]

true, very sad

[urban portal]

I just assume it's magic

Says optionally

Idk

[mellow gorge]

let's be honest

would WoW really put that much effort

into split dmg mutli class types

[blazing condor]

maybe if resistances were a thing still

[ocean reef]

Just assume that anything that's not phys is magical

[urban portal]

Yes because old game design

And just carried over

[teal swift]

Dh chaos stirke / annihilate have physical

Eye beam doesnt

[ocean reef]

Assume it's because you physically hit with those abilities

[teal swift]

Chaos nova doesnt

[ocean reef]

Eye beam is just a beam

[mellow gorge]

eye beam is magic

[urban portal]

Demon bolt is physical

Lmao

[mellow gorge]

wait

demon bolt is physical?

how

[urban portal]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Chaos

[teal swift]

Yeah demonboly is physical

[urban portal]

Who knows

[blazing condor]

(there's a small demon inside the bolt that hits you with a physical attack)

[teal swift]

I'm more curious that anything now

Lmao

[mellow gorge]

ah yes

demon bolt

you take the imp

and yeet it at the enemy full speed

[urban portal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/i0zgki/why_is_chaos_damage_not_chaos_damage_consistently/

Ok I understand now

[blazing condor]

it's Usain Bolts demonic cousin

he fast asf

[urban portal]

It hits for the lowest resist you hate

Have

So if you have 0 armor and 1000 Mr

If would be physical

[mellow gorge]

ok

that's

kind of bs

[urban portal]

That actually makes sense

Considering Chaos in wc3

Its basically true damage

[mellow gorge]

yeah

chaos should be true damage

[urban portal]

So this finds your lowest resistance

And hits that

Which for most entities is just magic

[teal swift]

So does armor cpubt as physical resist

Cause like I would fucking hate the idea

Of demonbolt ignoring ams

Miao

[mellow gorge]

c a t

wait no

that's a feral druid

[urban portal]

No ams is an absorb

If you were like

[teal swift]

If I took off all my armor

Would ams still absorb it

[urban portal]

If you were naked as a dh

Then I'd imagine it'll be physical

[mellow gorge]

aren't you guys already naked as a DH?

[urban portal]

Not if you are in default sanctum mog

Like I am

I don mog

Because I'm not cringe

[mellow gorge]

lies

deceit

[urban portal]

That's 250 fold

Gold

[mellow gorge]

one time purchase

if you know what you're doing

[urban portal]

Nope

Teach

[mellow gorge]

don't need to remog

if you don't get gear

👍

[urban portal]

So true

[teal swift]

Anyone have a dk, and a warlock

That can test demon bolting + ams

[urban portal]

But anyways

You'll prob get one shot regardless

[teal swift]

While dk is naked

Nah ams is thicc

Like 40k absorb or some shit

[urban portal]

Yeah but you are naked

You have no primary stat

[teal swift]

Idk let's test Iy with a naked warlock too

[urban portal]

Ye that would make sense

I wanna say it'll absorb?

Who knows tho

Since I'd imagine there's base armor somewhere

[teal swift]

Hmm

Aww fuck it's raid day

https://c.tenor.com/FWj9PrqLYgoAAAAM/rope-primal-survivor.gif

[blazing condor]

not for me

[teal swift]

We doing nerz

Reprog

Cause we couldn't rekill

Our first kill was a fluke

I only got a 77 on it

Cause I was dead

[blazing condor]

🤢

[teal swift]

And so was my cotank

[west walrus]

Useless info of the day : today all my NF followers reached level 60

[blazing condor]

y

[woven lance]

I analyzed the top 10 logs from HoA for each tank to compare m+ tank dps and thought I would share in all the tank discords:

[mellow gorge]

damn

very sad

[lime urchin]

What key levels are these top 10 logs?

[teal swift]

Sus

[blazing condor]

[lime urchin]

Tell them to use revenge more

[woven lance]

😆

[blazing condor]

bro imagine still running splinter in keys

in current year

[deft hinge]

time for wowhead to update, says prot warr is leading in following categories: Damage mitigation
Defensive cooldowns
Dealing damage
Offensive cooldowns
Mobility
Crowd-controlling enemies
Looking very cool -- the most important one!

[granite anvil]

You forgot the awesome soundeffects.

Imagine playing wish wush wish wush wish wush bear

[blazing condor]

swish... swush....

[lime urchin]

well

maybe some of them

[jagged pier]

Just clear on reset then u dont need tor aid for the rest of the week

[west walrus]

Roh kalo's one will be better

[blazing condor]

no that one is even more cringe

cus u actually die

its just a soulstone on a stick

[west walrus]

Not any more on ptr

[blazing condor]

o

didnt know they were gonna change it

but why

[west walrus]

It changed

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/832605997843218472/935481750111531038/unknown.png

[blazing condor]

cool

[west walrus]

No damage output though

No killing friends

[jagged pier]

Brah thats been like the for a while on ptr

@ionic fern i has no raid tonight wanna do keys?

[blazing condor]

ya but only nerds care about ptr

[tame jasper]

Wtf - so it made sense i picked it from my ladt vault some werks ago „just for the showcase“

[strong forum]

Tank rule #1

Never delete raid "tank" trinkets until the expansion is over

[distant crystal]

don't use W key?

ohh

[teal swift]

I didn't even get it

Sadge

But ye I keep trinkets for awhile

[strong forum]

I think I have it from hc

[teal swift]

Not having it is gonna suck

[strong forum]

But could be wrong

[teal swift]

That cheat death would've been pog for prog

Oh well, my guild prolly won't rekill that boss...

[strong forum]

Not a fan of cheat death for raiding

[teal swift]

And I'm not pugging it

[distant crystal]

It was already kinda ok for a raid cheatdeath ehh

just dog for m+ cause threat drop

[strong forum]

Apparently it used a CR

So it kinda wasn't

[distant crystal]

👀

[strong forum]

But I will never know

Nor do I care

[distant crystal]

p sure it didn't

we had an rsham that wore it for painsmith prog

cause he sucked at dodging stuff lol

[teal swift]

Find a new rsham

[strong forum]

That's precisely what cheat death is for

Bad people

[distant crystal]

we did

[teal swift]

[distant crystal]

That doo died a lot and also didn't do much output

but he had the best APTs

[teal swift]

I wouldn't sacrifice a trinket slot for it as anything other than a tank for prog

But like they are helpful

[distant crystal]

mf sniped me with APT so many times

[strong forum]

By the time that we'd kill a boss

I could literally play the boss by muscle memory and have allocated everything

[distant crystal]

that's how CN was for me

[strong forum]

So by that point it would just be wasted dps to run a cheat death

[teal swift]

Cheat death would've been helpful on m sylv no?

[distant crystal]

tank prog finished way before everybody-else prog

[strong forum]

Cheat death only helps for very early prog when undergeard

Aegis +rdm is infinitely more useful on sylv

[distant crystal]

all i could do was wince when dps shat the bed, and wonder what that mechanic is like

[teal swift]

My bdk likes purgatory idk what to say xS

Literal crutch

That prevents me from dying to one mistake

We have to save our brezes for our DPS 🙂

That die in first 20s of the fight

[strong forum]

At that point I'd just call a wipe

[blazing condor]

yeah

[strong forum]

If we are to need all CRs for later

[blazing condor]

sludge prog was like that for us

literally any deaths before 3rd pillar was a wipe

[strong forum]

Like we needed on our council prog

We need everybody alive to meet the dps check

So if someone dies early it's literally GG

Same thing with sludge, get to 4th pillar with everyone alive and its GG

[blazing condor]

yeah same

holy

sludge was hell for that reason

8 months in and we still needed the perfect attempt to beat it

everyone alive, no mistakes at all, all the pots and all that shit

and then just BARELY we got it

[strong forum]

Even echo and limit had wipes to sludge

(even if they 18manned it but still)

[blazing condor]

truee

my guild is good afterall

[west walrus]

By that time I played my monk

We had to use the fifth pillar

[blazing condor]

sludge went down after like 10 seconds in the wall lol

[west walrus]

It was fun to see people die one by one

[strong forum]

I fucked up my block uptime after 4th pillar 👍

And I didn't know how to hit 5th pillar without being the 5th pillar 👍

[teal swift]

There was a 5th pillar?

[strong forum]

Yeah

[teal swift]

Where????

[strong forum]

It might come as a surprise

But the wall

[blazing condor]

i got my first orange mythic parse on sludge

it was also my 2nd mythic kill in all of shadowlands cus i started progging on council

[strong forum]

Was the only boss I didn't get orange parse

[blazing condor]

sod was easier to parse on

[strong forum]

Fucking rank 27 but only a 93

My funniest parse was shriekwing, rank 7 but only a 69

[blazing condor]

chad

nothing will beat the council kill though in terms of butt clench

sludge was a pain but you know that shit was going down at least eventually

[west walrus]

I loved this fight

[blazing condor]

council was just monkaSTEER

10 minutes into the fight tryna squeeze the last few% , co-tank jumping like crazy to kite the big ad and me trying my best not to die with a million stacks on me

[west walrus]

Sludgefist... I made all attempts seeing my monk in a big duvet

[blazing condor]

pwarr on sludge was orgasm

100% block uptime

[west walrus]

Did you run HR ?

[blazing condor]

nop

you have a lot of opportunities to charge back during stomps/roars and intervene someone on chains

so you always have SB covered

[jagged pier]

U didnt need Hr to get 100% on sludge

Rep was enough

[strong forum]

Just get bopped

Life hack

[blazing condor]

i did

but we were slow asf

so it still hurt

[strong forum]

F

Our p3 was only crazy cuz 4th bird guy spawned and attendant spawned at like 2% boss hp, so I literally had to heroic leap the boss away from the attendant

[blazing condor]

oh god i forgot about the attendants

that shit was ass

[strong forum]

Otherwise my cotank would've died, and then I would've

[blazing condor]

squeezing extra% by leaping away

[strong forum]

I think in the end I tanked boss and gargoyle + kited away from attendant

[blazing condor]

case in question

monkaSTEER

[strong forum]

But legit the perfect boss to learn reprisal on

[blazing condor]

i got a 40 parse on that fight

looks like i ran the wall though

with scale + afe as trinkets

pog

[teal swift]

Is definitely.. soulrender

Shit to charge everywhere LOL

[modern brook]

Ngl I hate it when you lose the cloud

But this is a net gain I believe

[jagged pier]

I need a new prof pic

Maybe i take the cloud

🤔

[modern brook]

just put the deal with it glasses on heroic strike tbh

[strong forum]

Is just temporary dw

But fun is to be had

[modern brook]

yah yah

im having fun with it

[strong forum]

:susge:

[chilly brook]

Just like you being good was temporary

Goteeem

[strong forum]

Okay there Mr... Centurion something something

[modern brook]

its mf doom

[strong forum]

[chilly brook]

Excuse me it’s a spartan helmet smh

[strong forum]

[modern brook]

no its mf doom but in the 1500s

gearing question

how do i get a shield in arms spec 🤔

[chilly brook]

Change loot to prot?

[distant crystal]

boe green

[modern brook]

yeah thats what ive been using but i cant get anything higher than 200:(

still using my s1 pvp shield

[distant crystal]

I got a 220 from korthia weekly

[modern brook]

in arms spec?

I dont want to get a tank trinket 😦

[distant crystal]

i was prot lootspec but

the korthia drop "tank trinket" is p decent actually

i was using it for a bit til i got a baby scale from the valor box thing

it's just a dmg proc w/ heals or smth

oh i guess no heal

2.2% of my dmg in a mists 16 baby

now everybody's doing the math to determine that my overall sucked

[mellow bridge]

hey man no particular reason, was just wondering how long your key was?

Kappa

[chilly brook]

You’re giving me too much credit assuming I know how to do math still, I’m American and haven’t taken a math class in 6 years

[distant crystal]

honestly p good for 228ilvl imo

[mellow bridge]

228?

looks fine

[dawn canyon]

Juicer enha

[distant crystal]

true

[waxen orbit]

What da dog doin? 🤔

[distant crystal]

https://tenor.com/bFeWF.gif

[blazing condor]

Never askin why the dog doing

Its a psychological conondrum

[chilly brook]

It’s actually unfortunate

[blazing condor]

Thats why i study psychology

To get to the bottom of this

[chilly brook]

I’m just waiting to see how many other people change to a dog pic tbh

[blazing condor]

I dont think ive ever not had a dog pic

[modern brook]

king stuffe :^)

[blazing condor]

+

[balmy coral]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/sjfib9/protection_war/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

You know what to do

[sweet summit]

[blazing condor]

pointless to argue with people who've already made up their minds

[balmy coral]

I'm excited for prot in raids. Getting a nice damage boost and free buffed IPs are welcomed, especially since it's not on the gcd.

I may even tank keys again, I stopped because hot damn people don't know what kicks are even in 20s.

[balmy coral]

Soo troll that comment was...

[strong forum]

Don't post on reddit about warrior

You literally cannot win

[blazing condor]

don't post on reddit*

[blazing condor]

[mighty valley]

Agreed

man... i have the same brain as a dog with crown

[blazing condor]

woof

[sweet summit]

@boreal jasper

woof

[green badger]

looking for some help. I'm a huntard and know nothing about tanking... There's some drama happening over the consumes our main warrior tank is using. I'm guessing there's probably different flavors of elixirs/flasks you'll want to use for a specific fight

what would be best for KT

[sweet summit]

strength

[boreal jasper]

Woof

[sweet summit]

ty xlytol

[green badger]

flask of chromatic wonder?

[distant crystal]

based on all the metrics

aren't we due for some buffs?

[sweet summit]

wait is this classic

[boreal jasper]

Np Ergmeister

[green badger]

this is classic?

or tbc

you guys have me tripping

[sweet summit]

i have never heard of chromatic wonder

that is not a retail item

[green badger]

oh damn

[sweet summit]

i refuse to believe it

[mighty valley]

yeah that's tbc

[strong forum]

This dude is a classic Andy talking shit, no wonder.

[green badger]

this isn't classic focused disc

[sweet summit]

nah

https://discord.gg/RbCZJtw

[green badger]

my bad

[sweet summit]

fight club is

no worries

[green badger]

thanks!

[mighty valley]

KT got us confused lol

[sweet summit]

yeah

[mighty valley]

imagine rolling up to sanctum being like "hey yall i found this flask that increases my Magic Resistances by 35, might be good for prot warrior"

[strong forum]

That's a reddit take

The comments on that harmless threat alone made me furious

People instantly talking about competetive edge like they're doing 28s

[sweet summit]

hate reddit

[strong forum]

:reereeeee:

[sturdy sable]

Imagine arguing over a solved game

[strong forum]

I should just let go man

[mighty valley]

we get enough doomsaying here without going outside for extra doses

[chilly brook]

People are dumb nothing new tbh

Always looking for the path of least resistance

Meanwhile I took off meta operators that weren’t “viable” for competitive play to plat 1 in siege

[blazing condor]

hate people

fuck em

what they ever do for me

[chilly brook]

It’s not about how “good” a class or spec is

When something is bad or has obvious drawbacks it forces you to become a better player mechanically

Part of the reason why you see so many crappy people playing meta specs

[strong forum]

i always like a good underdog story

but man im fed up about people spouting the most horrid takes

[chilly brook]

It’s also why 3/4ths of the mages you run into are awful but have good io

[strong forum]

yup

[keen epoch]

can't even tell you how many mm hunters i saw do 900 dps in 9.0

[strong forum]

mwahi knows a story or 2 about 250 ilvl monks doing 7k dps

🙂

[mighty valley]

wild that in the same thread people are saying "prot warrior takes more effort to play well" and "prot warrior dies way more often" and don't see a connection there

[strong forum]

🙂

[keen epoch]

i just press shield block and stand there right?

[mighty valley]

no

IP and stand there

[strong forum]

no

[mighty valley]

all rage -> IP

[strong forum]

stand there

[keen epoch]

ahhh thats what ive been doing wrong mb

[mighty valley]

i bow to the master

[strong forum]

if you have more than 35cpm youre doing it wrong

[mystic warren]

you guys are standing?

[blazing condor]

i have /lay macro'd to every ability

[strong forum]

tbh i dont even log in

im that tanky

[blazing condor]

i dont even have a sub

[keen epoch]

i have 1 button on my bars is that too much?

[blazing condor]

yes

well if you click it its fine

[strong forum]

not if that button is intervene

[keen epoch]

i play like its an fps

[blazing condor]

what crosshair you guys use?

[mystic warren]

don't need bars if you play with alexa voice command

[keen epoch]

unplugged steering wheel here

[mighty valley]

any feedback on my Guitar Hero controller keybinds

[blazing condor]

strum up and down can be bound separately

also charge for whammy is nice

[mystic warren]

don't forget to bind 'shake guitar' to something as well

[mighty valley]

[balmy coral]

I find it funny that people want to say the sky is falling for warriors despite us being within 10% of protection Paladin single Target but better in AOE, but yet mistweavers are behind Resto shamans and holy paladins by 200-300% in damage yet they're considered still viable and Mythic Plus.

Like we're behind protection paladins in 9.1.5 by 10% in single target where as for healers that is HUGE gaps in healing and damage yet people so oh it's fine...

[ionic fern]

It's a bandwagon and a echo chamber.

Always has been.

[mighty valley]

maybe healers are just more well-adjusted as people

[strong forum]

people just REALLLLY care about tanks

and nobody really cares about healers, except healers

[distant crystal]

ehhh

Try to pug a key as a disc priest sometime

😄

[keen epoch]

is disc bad for m+ now?

[blazing condor]

literally unplayable

[keen epoch]

good

holy priest superiority

[distant crystal]

I love disc in keys but it's not too great at healing through the bad

[mighty valley]

disc is incredible if the player is very good and wretchedly bad otherwise

you're rolling the dice when you invite a disc priest

[distant crystal]

idk i don't think you need to be particularly amazing at it really. i never really tried to push high as disc though

[chilly brook]

While also not understanding anything about how they work or what they’re capable of

[distant crystal]

If Moadmoad gave up and went hpal it must be lacking

[ionic fern]

Are some classes better than others at the high end? Sure. BUT..
Nothing is bad in m+/Raids for literally 99% of the people.
Considering how horrible/mediocre most people are at the game and the content they are doing they would rather benefit from learning the encounters/the class they are playing over "OH NO I AM NOT PLAYING META SO THATS WHY I SUCK AND DIE TO THIS FRONTAL".

[mighty valley]

these are all people pugging heroic raids and will at most get KSM, but genuinely believe if they play a meta spec and just stop being let down by all these pug people they'd be pushing +28

[distant crystal]

if the tank was a bear the healer could've focused on keeping me alive while I eat frontals smh

[keen epoch]

the only reason to play a meta spec is because thats the only way to get invited to some pugs lol

[chilly brook]

Kinda the point I was making, people are better off dedicating time to being forced to improve as players mechanically rather than reinvesting their time into a new class

The new class is just going to help cover up issues but not address them

[mighty valley]

I see people that reroll at every balance patch, convinced that they're now going to be useless

[blazing condor]

They also are useless

cus they reroll

and play a class they don't know

[ionic fern]

I swear to god Guarm was the epitome of people being dumb.
You would think that "Oh, it's easy..all they have to do is get hit by X..that's what they do all the time anyways.
And then people start side-stepping it and then standing in the wrong frontal etc.

What

People tilt me so much.

[strong forum]

yeah i never understood the point of guarm

have red? stay in red for whole fight

got it

gg boss dead

[blazing condor]

what if colorblind!!!

never played legion

i feel like i missed out

had my non-mmo arc at that point

[strong forum]

the boss had a 3 colour frontal

you choose a colour

you soak that colour for the rest of the fight

if you soak wrongly, you die

[blazing condor]

sounds incredibly difficult

[strong forum]

very

and the pattern doesn change

ever

[blazing condor]

wow players don't have inductive reasoning

[mighty valley]

i was raiding with a weird rando guild back then that seemed to be made up of mostly dads from the deep south

[strong forum]

so they all stacked in red?

[mighty valley]

i remember in the middle of one pull a hunter started explaining over comms that he'd just found out about this new thing you can do, strafing

[blazing condor]

wait what's that

[strong forum]

yeah goodstuffe would need to learn a thing or 2 about that

[mighty valley]

you know how we all backpedal everywhere into the wrong color very slowly? well have I got the tech for you

[blazing condor]

interesting

will check it out

is it an addon?

[mighty valley]

you need to buy an expensive gaming keyboard addon

that's how you become a good tank

[blazing condor]

dang

[strong forum]

and sub to my twitch

[blazing condor]

dont got tha monni

i'll sub when you stream wow

[jagged pier]

@ionic fern keys when?

[ionic fern]

I just got home from work.

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

I know.

[blazing condor]

god damn

what do you do? if i may ask

[distant crystal]

Gigalo

[blazing condor]

at least not a juggalo

[strong forum]

you mean gigolo?

[distant crystal]

google didn't autocorrect me so

i'm dying on that hill!

[ionic fern]

CMO

[blazing condor]

chad shit

[plucky hearth]

best trinkets for low m+ when im going large and carrying homies? between scale, aegis, matrix, OWS?

low meaning like 15-17

[blazing condor]

do you wanna pump damage or be unkillable?

[strong forum]

what about both

id just play dps trinkets

[blazing condor]

Yeah

Matrix + OWS in that case i guess? if you don't have phial

[plucky hearth]

kinda mix of both

trinkets make me feel safe forsure

i have phial also

252

[blazing condor]

id run phial + ows in that case

[plucky hearth]

word thx

EM > reprisal?

for dam

[strong forum]

not rly

seismic is more dam

[plucky hearth]

word thats why im checkin i dont prot much

heh

ah i dont have siesmic

[strong forum]

you can also reach 10k with reprisal so is perfectly fine to play

[tropic linden]

I hate NW on tyr. 1 wipe on boss and it's bricked

[strong forum]

hate NW

period

[blazing condor]

love NW

free dungeon

[strong forum]

dogshit dungeon

if you dont have good boss DPS its the worst

especially 2nd boss

[blazing condor]

true

worst feel needing to commit and orb (or even two) for that boss on tyr

[plucky hearth]

easiest +2 tho

[blazing condor]

yes

[strong forum]

ive done about 10 NW total in all of SL

and it will stay that way

[blazing condor]

NW is my fav SL dungeon lol

mists 2nd

[strong forum]

its my most hated dungeon

[blazing condor]

NW worse than sanguine???

[strong forum]

yea

[blazing condor]

dang

[strong forum]

depleted an NW18 in S1 on 3rd boss cuz 4 wipes

and 2 or 3 depleted on 2nd boss

forever grudge

[blazing condor]

you probably just got mad unlucky lol

NW feels good cus you can pull so efficiently in it

and its easy

with all the weps and whatnot

[strong forum]

yeah so unlucky that dps cant do ST dmg

and that you waste weapons

if you dont 2phase 3rd boss its practically GG

same with 2nd boss

[mighty valley]

NW used to be so bad

All the power was in the weapons, so someone slips up and it's over

[strong forum]

yup

no recovering from that

[mighty valley]

Now it all just feels undertuned so it's ok but like. not great design overall

[strong forum]

okay ive only ever depleted 2 NWs

but thats enough for me to hate the dungeon

[stone wing]

Just ran a NW last night that at the end of the dungeon I saw a hunter with a spear on his back and a monk still holding a hammer. Barely timed, I wonder why 🙃

[blazing condor]

not sure but i think because you didnt use all weps

[strong forum]

i said it today in another discord but this is what i said:
I hate abusing dungeon specific mobs/mechanics that have nothing to do with my own performance to cheese shit
Cannons in TD
Plagueborers in PF
Spotters in sob
Weapons and Throw cleaver in NW
Dog
Water

i despise it

[stone wing]

I also love the people who don’t understand the second boss of NW isn’t a single target fight. Had a hunter frost trap a mage and got mad when I hit it to kill it before final harvest

[strong forum]

wellllllllllllllllllllllll

if the mobs are CC'd during final harvest

they dont do dmg

[stone wing]

Oh shit I’m bad

[blazing condor]

ive always said this too

it is just unflavorful and always super janky

[strong forum]

same as i hate controlling machines or other things temporarily in other games

like bitch, i wanna play MY character

not some dumb gimmick thing

[blazing condor]

feeling forced to abuse those things always just made keys 100x more depleted

TD cannons would always just be a shitfest

plagueborers as well

[strong forum]

yup

[blazing condor]

and spotter

[strong forum]

i legit never did spotter memes

cuz it would always go wrong

[blazing condor]

nah same

especially that whole "pull all of 3rd boss room and LOS with the spotter behind"

worked like a charm

never lost so many keys so efficiently

[strong forum]

but we did do it

during corruption

and it somehow worked out

no i didnt play vers

[blazing condor]

i didnt play

BFA was the best m+ i've done and i only got to experience ghuunies and emissaries lol

more fun than SL m+ still

[strong forum]

id take BFA s3 over SL any day of the week

bfa s2 was peak tho

[blazing condor]

emissaries weren't even all that impactful tbh

[strong forum]

they were pretty shit

[blazing condor]

i was even worse back then so i didn't really experience it at an impactful level

like 17s at highest

[strong forum]

idk what i did

ye only did weekly keys

15-19

[blazing condor]

void emissary was just timeloss

only hard one was tides

the dome-one was whatever

just HT or have the healer do it (they never did it)

[strong forum]

look at this beauty

[blazing condor]

pog

https://gyazo.com/deca5cb6f36314e9964537af63e6ea21

well

never had 3x bom i think

never lucky

[strong forum]

yeah baby

[blazing condor]

actually pogging

Edict of the faithless was kind of a cool trinket ngl

[mighty valley]

i think it's a fine balance. like, you want variety in dungeon design so knowing tricks and stuff that feel fun to pull off make you remember dungeons rather than everything feeling the same. but bricking a key because you failed something that feels gimmicky just sucks

[blazing condor]

idrk what it is about SL dungeons i don't like

[strong forum]

the overbearing responsibility from dps players to do their job well

[blazing condor]

yeah it feels like everything is just way more punishing

every mob pack and every boss really can just fuck you if people dont know what to do

[mighty valley]

tanks used to just be able to drive the bus

[blazing condor]

BFA felt way easier with many whatever-bosses and normal packs

[mighty valley]

i'm generally in favor of spreading responsibility but they haven't come up with much that's more interesting than "know what to kick and don't overlap"

[distant crystal]

yooo is that me

[blazing condor]

how did yall just highroll every azerite piece

[west walrus]

What is easier : 10 players having to play better or some key people to carry because their class can ?
In the latest guild I tested, they did not keep because "though I am good, even better than some tank they had", some of their healers were having difficulties to heal a pwar + some DD taking useless damage which require more healing

[blazing condor]

or did you save residuum so you could spec buy

[strong forum]

get lucky

[blazing condor]

cant im still alive

[strong forum]

i never saved

i always rolled

[blazing condor]

i always gambled

[strong forum]

you could buy a max ilvl piece every 2 weeks

[blazing condor]

krakenshell pauldrons were pog

[strong forum]

so you get alot of chances

[distant crystal]

same gamble 4 life

[west walrus]

Now they have a prot pal

[strong forum]

well good for them

[blazing condor]

why did people run CnS as major essence anyway?

it just gave TC the root right?

[strong forum]

vers

thats it

[blazing condor]

doesn't it give vers anyway? or was it more vers in major

[strong forum]

people ran vers amps

so you got alot of bang for your buck from the major

the major would give you 2x the vers of CnS everytime you CCd something

and since you CC with every TC

[blazing condor]

ah yeah

[strong forum]

youd have perma uptime on 2x the vers

[blazing condor]

i remember

yeah then thats big if you wanna vers stack

[strong forum]

i only ran CnS in dungeons where the root was beneficial

aka JY and UR

everywhere else it was a meme

[blazing condor]

imagine they just didnt split up mechagon

hell

[ionic fern]

I'm sorry, carry what?

[west walrus]

Some classes make life easier

[blazing condor]

all players don't

[west walrus]

That's the point

I do agree that, when all players know what to do (I'm not saying play perfect), all classes are good

I like the challenge, so I keep improving to earn my spot as pwar. I currently don't want to play my monk for progress :(

[blazing condor]

pwarr is fun 🙂

also i would be 100x better as a pwarr than another class

so i aint switching

[barren geyser]

any recommendation between kyrian and nf for 9.2 m+?
Or is it "just play both lol"?

[blazing condor]

just play both lol

its preference really

[ionic fern]

Okay, so you're just re-rolling to every class depending on the fight cause they all have something that might be broken on some fight?

[barren geyser]

fair enough, thanks ^^

[arctic bone]

hey guys, what is prot warrs haste cap?

[jagged pier]

40%

[arctic bone]

okay so I can keep making sure I am getting haste items on my gear pieces

[west walrus]

I do not, I play what I like to play.

That's why I played the monk in late BfA 🙃

[plucky hearth]

carry went well :]

phial ended up doing like 5%

in a halls

and the healer was p bad

[jagged pier]

no ilvl >>>>>>>>> haste > crit = vers >>>> mastery

if its got main stat and more ilvl its and upgrade regardless of stats

[blazing condor]

is more stat > right stats still the case? id assume so

[jagged pier]

always

[blazing condor]

ye

more stat = more ilvl either way but i guess its still relevant for jewelry

[jagged pier]

liek 15 ilvls

jewlery is an upgrade regardless of stats

[distant crystal]

but leech

[strong forum]

good zug

[chilly brook]

Nah at least none of the SL affixes have been focused on forcing you to play the dungeon the way the devs intended like S3 was

[blazing condor]

emissaries had truesight right?

dont member

at least void had i know

[distant crystal]

i think it was just void

[modern brook]

Void was the only

Cause people were whining that rogue was op cause it had shroud

Turns out rogue was op cause it shat dps

[chilly brook]

Void had true sight and also did that pulsing aoe

Had dummy range too on it

[strong forum]

pride?

[chilly brook]

If you put pride in Freehold you’re free to do the dungeon however you please

You can skip and start anywhere you want

Yes you have to pull around pride

But no it didn’t force you to play the dungeon a specific way

[strong forum]

well did you have any freedom in hoa with pride?

NW?

im fraid not

[chilly brook]

Emissaries were literally “nah we don’t like how you skip shit”

[strong forum]

ya but BFA dungeons were better

:^)

and so were classes

atleast for us

[chilly brook]

Yes so why bring up HoA or NW?

They literally play the same

Regardless of pride

[strong forum]

not rly

NW plays entirely different

[chilly brook]

Pull like 4 packs before boss

[strong forum]

you dont have to do the back and forth shenanigans

to get to 69% before going upstairs

[chilly brook]

Pull like 2 packs after, skip bridge

[strong forum]

but get 60% pride for 2nd boss

[chilly brook]

Grab buffs then really big pull with orb

Then 2nd boss

It’s basically the same

[strong forum]

you didnt do that pull with orb

in s1

cuz pride

would fuck you over

[chilly brook]

Sure

But it’s the same route

With slightly different larger pulls

[strong forum]

how could you play any different lol

[chilly brook]

You can’t

[strong forum]

the dungeons are linear as fuck

[chilly brook]

Because the dungeons aren’t made for it

[strong forum]

aka dogshit

you literally have no way to play it differently besides overpulling

same with hoa

[chilly brook]

I’m not in disagreement

I dislike SL dungeons

I disliked a lot of BFA dungeons as well

[strong forum]

same

[chilly brook]

Legion dungeons were fun

Linear

But fun

Because they didn’t shove all these obnoxious mechanics on trash tbh

[strong forum]

yes

[chilly brook]

If you don’t want people to skip don’t make obnoxious trash

[strong forum]

also dont make dungeons with only 110% trash total

or other dungeons with 250% trash but 80% of trash is a must do

because you literally cant physically skip them

[chilly brook]

At least Tazavesh will be a little more free form

The first half specifically

Tbh AD/Freehold should be dungeon design layout standards

Not linear being the standard

[strong forum]

idk never done Tazavesh outside of skipping literally everything and only 5 bosses tops

[modern brook]

i still dont know how to get to tazavesh tbh

[distant crystal]

Freehold should be perma in the rotation

[chilly brook]

Obviously have a few linear dungeons but none of this weirdo 95% linear dungeons

[strong forum]

big pulls are illegal

[dawn canyon]

i really liked AD

EoA

[modern brook]

not doing fun trash is still faster than doing it

if u dont want people to skip remove the timer

[strong forum]

xeph put up some nice idea to rework m+

one was to remove timer

always grant a key upgrade if you can complete the dungeon

so pushing will actually mean pushing the literal limits

and not limits within a set timeframe

[distant crystal]

hard pass

[blazing condor]

Honestly

[modern brook]

holy shit

[distant crystal]

I don't want to spend 4 hours doing a 30 for clout

[modern brook]

+15 completion

4 hours later

[blazing condor]

Weekly No leave

No time

Ez

[modern brook]

disgusting tbh

[west walrus]

Having a timer is fine, but some dungeons are tight (Mists, HoA) when some others are really free (NW, PF)

[modern brook]

thats the opinion of a guy who hasnt had to pug anything in 3 years

[strong forum]

was a whole threat

im just paraphrasing

and the entire idea how he laid it out was really nice tbh

[modern brook]

nah i get it

[strong forum]

much much better

[west walrus]

My main suggestion would : stop having a key -1 when depleted, people would be less scared about failure

[modern brook]

it makes sense

it honestly sounds really cool froma "m+ is my end game progression content" pov

[blazing condor]

Maybe switch timer with something else. 20 total lives like in torghast or somethin

[strong forum]

https://twitter.com/gerrit_alex/status/1480514759757910023?s=20&t=8Ridq7yOEOKAqUCCdlDpww

Gerrit Alex (@gerrit_alex)

my mythic+ wishlist for 10.0 @WarcraftDevs 🧵

a vetted amalgation of reddit, twitter and my personal opinion as ~2700 tank

Twitter · Jan 10, 2022, 12:20 PM

[chilly brook]

You still have to do trash period, having fun trash just opens the door a little more on how where and when you pull or don’t pull

[strong forum]

this thread

[modern brook]

it just sounds like absolute dog shit from the widly more popular "m+ is a means to 252 gear for my tier-ly aotc"

[strong forum]

really great ideas tbh

"- no timer. score is still based on speed, but simply on "the faster the better". those that hunt score can always improve it by being faster. removes anxiety for anyone not liking the pressure. allows going by your own pace"

it would result the in the same scores as now, pretty much, but you can still get access to higher keys

[agile pumice]

Can we just get rid of keystones

[strong forum]

ye it should be like in D3 tbh

[agile pumice]

Let me go to a dungeon and choose the level

Yeah like d3 exactly

[sweet summit]

how ptr does it is good

and nuke fort tyran

and make good dungeons

then the game is saved

[strong forum]

have more affix rotations per week

remove HP increase affixes

[modern brook]

😄 i agree

[chilly brook]

I actually agree with this

[modern brook]

this more than anything tbh

[chilly brook]

But mainly because bricking a key and it depleting serves no purpose now that you can downgrade your key in Orobos

[ionic fern]

Are people scared about failure?
I just get tilted when they key takes too long.

[modern brook]

^

[blazing condor]

This But uniroincally

[modern brook]

theres a subset of players where 15s are like real progression content

[ionic fern]

Doesn't matter if there's a timer or not..if it's too long i'm tilted.

😂

[modern brook]

which is fine

and the system def is not kind to them

[blazing condor]

Nop

[modern brook]

but im not trying to spend the next 45 minute s of my life doing a weekly 15

[chilly brook]

I mainly get titled only when my key gets bricked

[strong forum]

45min is still good for pugging

[modern brook]

it really is

😦

[strong forum]

an old guildie who hated keys for some reason always pugged his weekly key tuesday night

even tho we offered him a smooth key almost every week

[modern brook]

my favorite pug moment is still doing a nw, tank quad pulls the surgeon room, dies IMMEDIATELY

[strong forum]

and then he pugs for like 3hrs

[modern brook]

asks us to not pull things for him

he gets back up

does it again

gets mad

leaves

[strong forum]

trying to finish 1 key

and then he does it again next week

trying for 3-5hrs to pug 1 key

[modern brook]

maybe he didnt like u guys

[strong forum]

he did he was just retarded

[modern brook]

and was just using keys as an exucse 🤷

LOL

fair

[strong forum]

he never wanted to play wow when we did keys

he only raidlogged and weekly key logged

[chilly brook]

I’ve given so many people who don’t deserve a raid spot on a mythic team carrys through keys it’s unreal

Sounds elitist, might be

[strong forum]

in peak times we bullied like half our guild through weekly keys 1-2 people at a time

cuz they j ust absolutely sucked ass and couldnt get into a quick key

[chilly brook]

But also if you can’t be bothered to get KSM 5 months into a tier……

And don’t do your keys

[west walrus]

I'd love something like one season of one month, with only one set of affix

[chilly brook]

And are also a weak player mechanically……

You shouldn’t be in mythic

[strong forum]

low ranked guilds are quite a beast

[west walrus]

Or, the ability to chose what set we want to play

[strong forum]

the amount of 0 effort people put into the game

[west walrus]

And have a leaderboard per set

[strong forum]

like i dont put alot of effort in

but fuck me i was still top 5 geared people cuz i did my weekly keys

[west walrus]

It's been always like this, most people want gear, but not grind for it

[strong forum]

like 2 months into a tier and we still had people with a 210 weapon

like bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

[ionic fern]

Sounds like me.

[west walrus]

Wednesday : most guildies are connected, Thursday some vanished, Sunday you have to find pug 🤓

[distant crystal]

filthy casuals

[modern brook]

and then its something ass like necrotic bolstering and m+ is just dead fora month :^)

[distant crystal]

random affixes on every key

🤞

[strong forum]

we changed raid days to thursday monday cuz
a) wednesday raid would lag
b) so you can get your weekly shit done on wed
c) sunday raiding ruins the entire sunday

[sweet summit]

shut up

waat shut up

bad

[west walrus]

Necrotic should really be like nowadays bolstering

[sweet summit]

[distant crystal]

oh you got SD with sanguine quaking, unlucky go reroll it

[strong forum]

eh

[modern brook]

so you know whats wrong with this idea already

[strong forum]

fishing for better affixes is shit

[distant crystal]

that's what's right with it

[strong forum]

make it a 3day rotation

[west walrus]

You would have to play around the affix, but YOU decide how much you stack, and can lose some stack by kitting, at your will

[distant crystal]

rather have a shitty key than a shitty week

[strong forum]

or you only reroll keys

forever and ever

[sweet summit]

just

let me

[strong forum]

to get the easiest combination

[sweet summit]

pick

affixes

i play for fun

i don't like not fun

[modern brook]

the system would literally just be you have rng teams with enough time to reroll keys with ez affixes at high levels and either you're that team or you cannot compete with those teams.

Ialso waant erga to pick my affixes

[plush tendon]

We have a system for guildies who wait to the last minute to do keys

[mellow bridge]

weekly affixes are fine imo

they just need to balance the fucking affixes more often

and not intentionally create dead weeks

[strong forum]

they just need to balance the fucking affixes more often

[mellow bridge]

that too yes

[modern brook]

honestly nah

[strong forum]

once every 6-10months isnt enough

[modern brook]

Baby bolstering is great and all

but I had fun in legion when bolstering week was around

[mellow bridge]

it's baffling to me that they either intentionally create dead weeks

[modern brook]

i had fun in bfa when bolsterin week was around

SL dungeons just suck

[mellow bridge]

telling their customers to NOT play the game

or are so bad at balancing that they dont realize theyre creating those weeks

[mighty valley]

i would love a more consistent balance schedule with more communication

but there will always be "hardest affixes" whether that's true or just perception

[mellow bridge]

sure

but the gap could be a lot more narrow

[west walrus]

I'll never understand why they do not give the rotation ahead of season...

[mighty valley]

i'm in for no depletions from not timing, i'm not in for key goes up regardless of how long you took

the meta could really easily become based around slogging through miserable long keys that the players have no business being in just to get vault/max rewards

I do think there's a space for a system that's like... do a really hard mythic once a week with no timer, it was fun to try and complete the legion timewalking dungeons that were tuned way higher than SL ones

[mellow bridge]

that sounds reasonable

[west walrus]

Remember early Legion ? When you depleted a key you had to rerun the same, on time, with no loot, to get another random key

[mighty valley]

yeah people don't always remember the parts of the game that were objectively worse from a time when they were overall enjoying it all

can't wait for five years from now when people are somehow like "BOFA and SL were perfect, blizzard really fucked up a good thing"

[chilly brook]

BOFA DEEZ NUTZ

[mighty valley]

honestly the best part of that expansion was the number of opportunities to get people with bofa

[chilly brook]

But it’s battle for Azeroth

Not battle of Azeroth

[mighty valley]

it's close enough

the law can't stop me from calling it bofa

[chilly brook]

I mean true no one cares about a trash expansion

I will say I do find it funny how people who started playing in BFA have a completely different outlook on the same systems as people who played before BFA

It kinda makes you think, the systems themselves aren’t necessarily bad ideas, it’s just the implementation of them that irks us and the fact that often we lose a system that was better in some way for them

[mighty valley]

always been that way, back in wotlk people complained so much about "wrath babies" and how the soul of the game was being destroyed

[chilly brook]

Ye I just had a good discussion last night about azerite armor

[mighty valley]

people remember a lot of azerite powers really fondly! there was something there

[chilly brook]

Some of them

[mighty valley]

but the experience of getting it and the number of times you ended up with the "wrong" ones just made it sour to live with a lot

[chilly brook]

The problem was there were things like ToM and DC that actually made a difference in how your class played or had a real impact through your abilities

[mighty valley]

same thing with corruptions tbh, the initial drop sucked, with some tweaks it got close to great (still some problems)

[chilly brook]

But way too many of them were boring x stat increases

[mellow bridge]

i feel like most of their systems actually have at least somewhat of a good idea behind them

[chilly brook]

And compared to tier sets….

[mellow bridge]

but they just fail in the final implementation and fixing

[chilly brook]

They were just lacking

BoM only is remember fondly because you could see the impact on the meters

But it was just a flat mastery bump

DC actually added uptime to Demoralizing Shout and encouraged a mini game to see how long you could keep it up before it got nerfed

[mellow bridge]

perma demo shouts in m+

[chilly brook]

It’s like they cut corners and kneecap the ideas

[mellow bridge]

but yeah some azerite powers were def cool

[chilly brook]

Like so many bad class/spec specific traits

[mellow bridge]

some even got baked into the spec

like vdh kept revel in pain