CD doesnt mean buff duration
#protection
waxen orbit
Never use both charges of block at once is a good starting point. And don't try to reach 18 seconds of shield block duration. That's just a recipe for disaster if you're new to the spec
oblique garnet
The sb buff uptime has a maximum of 18 seconds which you wont ever really reach unless youre playing with reprisal
waxen orbit
Generally you want to charge, shield block, intervene, rinse repeat
Refresh when you see your shield block duration falling south of 4 seconds left
That's a safe rule of thumb
gray iris
so when do i use the second charge?
waxen orbit
When available and when falling south of 4 seconds on shield block duration
Or if you have nothing else (like intervene or shield block) to refresh your duration
gray iris
okay thanks man...one more question...shield block only blocks damage for 6 seconds right except reprisal? so when 6 secs are over, i go for the second charge sb
waxen orbit
okay thanks man...one more question...shield block only blocks damage for 6 seco...
Unsure what you mean by "except reprisal." Reprisal grants shield block whenever you charge or intervene so just think of it as more shield block. And yea when 6 seconds are over, or running out, go for the next charge
gray iris
reprisal gives you sb for 4 secs instead of regular 6
gray iris
but weakauras sometimes shows sb active for more than 10 seconds
waxen orbit
I mean, it's possible to get a SB duration longer than 10 seconds if that is what you're referring to
Happens by just pressing SB during another SB. Or are you saying that the WeakAura displays the duration incorrectly?
gray iris
former
sick sentinel
deez- had to stop
gray iris
okay thanks for the help guys
oh god now i understand
reprisal+2 charges of sb adds up to 18 secs
and i can press freely stack them
waxen orbit
Yee
gray iris
i was under the wrong impression....
gray iris
just got 14 secs uptime on sb lol
gray iris
Generally you want to charge, shield block, intervene, rinse repeat
this was gold.... now i get it... when sb duration is falling below 4secs, you press sb to avoid diminishing returns... xd
west walrus
Good night 👋
waxen orbit
Night x2
ocean yoke
pretty nice vault id say
waxen orbit
Pretty pog
trim bay
hey guys. what spell reflect WA does everyone use?
strong forum
I don't know anyone who actually uses any
You just know what you can and want to reflect
trim bay
i had one that said the amount that was deflected
urban portal
Im fairly sure plka uses it
It's good
It's definitely better than not using it at all
trim bay
yea it was good just to know if the debuff was reflected or not
all good though ill look at plkas addons
agile pumice
Thought you guys were talking about me lol
stuck wraith
Anybody have any input on how I can improve my performance on M Soulrender? Tysm for your advice and input.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PbYGczVdpqmJvA2n/
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tyNwvhTA3dKkFjnq/
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Y1GCQHgRfFhd8AqL/
halcyon lichen
Anybody have any input on how I can improve my performance on M Soulrender? Tysm...
So, I've got a few thoughts.
First and foremost, your DPS here as a tank is legit kind of just GIGA pad. So don't really be sad if your dps parse is low. (lot of parses on this boss are inflated for reasons I show below)
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Firstly, I would argue mythic soulrender probably does the least tank damage of all the raid bosses this tier. This in mind, you could go for a DPS trinket instead of the Tazavesh trinket. (The OPC is kind of nice, though a phial / Ticking Sack etc) will add some nice dps.
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Your legendary. Wall is a great defensive option, but at the end of the day, this boss really doesnt do heavy tank damage. If you wanna do max dps, you can go Elysian Might and revenge spam once adds are grouped in the Torments. Reprisal can work kind of nice too as its a nice marriage of both dps and tankiness.
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With the Demo shout talent, make sure to use it once they are grouped. MASSIVE dps increase. Be careful with overcapping rage when you use it. If you decide to pair with this ELysian might, it is BIG BOY damage with revenge slam.
I wasn't sure what you really meant by "performance" but let me know if you have more questions.
halcyon lichen
So, I've got a few thoughts.
First and foremost, your DPS here as a tank is le...
and with this in mind, ur revenges need to be higher priority.
it absolutely slaps
jagged pier
Anybody have any input on how I can improve my performance on M Soulrender? Tysm...
You should not be wearing the wall for this fight its physical damage fight reprisal is what you should, your blocked hits are really low like 40% which is aweful even with the wall leggo
U should not go of EM until u can tank the fight comfortably
And u can manage your SB correctly which from the logs u cant, so please equip reprisal and make your u have sb up only when the boss is meleeing he does a lot of casts so there are good 4 secon periods where he wont melee at all
covert vessel
Is reprisal still going to be an M+ leg in 9.2?
blazing condor
Yup
west walrus
gm
teal swift
Gm
ionic fern
gray iris
damn no matter how hard i try, im still managing 75% blocked hit with hr and reprisal...
ionic fern
1)Intervene/Charge usage
2)SS usage on CD
I remember you were lacking in both from some logs you posted.
gray iris
yeah..that is something im working on
ionic fern
Just keep on logging to see how you've improved.
gray iris
yeah i see log every time agter competing a dung
ionic fern
gray iris
xd
ionic fern
Maybe you would benefit from a WA that makes some specific sound every time Intervene / Shield Slam come off CD?
ionic fern
You could try to make one for them as well - would help you use them more frequently.
ionic fern
It's easy to waste during burst windows..e.g using Unnerving + Avatar/Ravager/Spear/SS
Have to keep in mind to use IP to avoid capping.
blazing condor
Unnerving Focus is a conduit
gray iris
oh havent got that yet
blazing condor
Gives you more rage gain when using Last Stand
gray iris
oh sorry i have that
but replaced it with anima sphere...gives nice cooling
healing
anyway my gameplay has improved significantly by following advice here...I was getting hammered prior to this
ionic fern
That's great, good job.
What conduits are you using then for endurance?
Are you running 2x Endurance?
urban portal
Every endurance conduit is kind of poopy outside of unerving anyways
jagged pier
wasted a lot of rage aswell
Try not to focus on too many things at once just focus on your SB
Once u have that down then look into rage management
They do go sort of hand in hand but splitting your brain on 2 issues u wont fix ither
ionic fern
management.
blazing condor
just
gray iris
yeah thanks guys
covert vessel
So I hit 48 renowned on my fresh warr but no nature's fury, is there something else that i have to do?
blazing condor
Not that i can find. Check so you don't already have it in your powers tab?
covert vessel
it's not in my powers
strong forum
You gotta buy it from the renown vendor no?
Like the renown NF vendor
Renown quartermaster or what it's called
covert vessel
ok, i assumed it would just show up like the kyrian one did
ionic fern
Mine also just showed up.
👀
Never bought any of them.
You sure it's not in your inventory already and you're just not overlooking it?
covert vessel
oh right, lol
blazing condor
covert vessel
yep it's there, ty, returning after 4 months of being sick
ionic fern
stuck rock
Is necro going as good personal dmg as kyrian with the constant rage generation and frequent avatars?
sweet summit
sims when @ mwahi
urban portal
Is necro going as good personal dmg as kyrian with the constant rage generation ...
Not exactly for prot because mastery is kind of weak in terms of damage
sweet summit
keys or raid
urban portal
Tho 11.x% attack power is nothing to laugh at
sweet summit
kyrian/nf will almost always be better in keys
necro has potential in raid for next patch
but i can't remember if i've seen sims or not so i can't say for sure
urban portal
I feel like, itll depend on which cov ability can cheese mechs harder
sweet summit
yeah for sure
urban portal
I meant the signature (fleshcraft phial etc)
urban portal
Tank damage matters but not too much
stuck rock
I meant for keys i was thinking the more rage generation thanks to high banner uptime means more avatars and more tier seets procs
urban portal
Glory provides for team tho Co tank is gonna catch it more than not
urban portal
But if jailer has some nasty bleed then you could go ky, a strong magical tank hit you would want fleshcraft
Etc etc
strong forum
Yeah nah doubt that you'll get a meaningful bleed that you can cleanse with kyrian
Very much doubt that
sweet summit
it's also only once per encounter
strong forum
urban portal
Being able to cheese even 1 mech is sometimes good enough
ionic fern
sims when @ mwahi
Do you wanna know what i do in my 10.0 waiting room?
teal swift
jailer will have execute for sure
sweet summit
tell me
sweet summit
Living out my pirate life dreams.
sea of thieves?
blazing condor
but you can only get it when the jailer takes his nap and lets the keys hang out of his pockets
sweet summit
does he even have pockets?
blazing condor
he's gotta keep his wallet somewhere
ionic fern
sea of thieves?
Yes.
blazing condor
i doubt he just steals stuff
blazing condor
the real prison is the life we have outside of the game
ionic fern
I don't like that sentence.
sweet summit
ionic fern
Hits too close to home.
blazing condor
it really is a "sentence" for sure
blazing condor
u hate me cus you hate yourself
sweet summit
tru...
blazing condor
anyway how much vers do i need to do korthia rifts
sweet summit
full pvp gear
blazing condor
thanx
sweet summit
u also need to be in warmode for the pvp trinket 2-set
blazing condor
got ganked 
sweet summit
go agane
blazing condor
no rift key
sweet summit
L
stuck wraith
@jagged pier @halcyon lichen Thank you. I've crafted Reprisal. Not really looking forward to learning the added element of using Reprisal during prog on this fight, especially since I'm calling torments and big add placement for the raid. It's just one more thing to pay attention to. But I shall work on it. Thanks so much for your input!
tropic linden
TIL
gaunt ocean
does he even have pockets?
What do you think is the real reason he has a hole in his chest for?
sweet summit
blazing condor
Squid games
gray iris
alright guys my blocked hits this time in sd 8+ is 85%...did a lot of intervene charge and sb
i forget to cast demon shout many times
gray iris
yeah sometimes my back was towards the enemy and this is where i got hit i think
just yesterday my blocked hits were 45%
mellow bridge
that's a huge improvement, gj
you can click on melees and see in detail your blocked hits for each mob type as well
gray iris
i had to cast shield wall and last stand to stay alive everytime
mellow bridge
so you can see where you messed up
gray iris
oh okay thanks
mellow bridge
e.g. Grubby Dirtcruncher you only blocked 58% of hits
those are the yellow small guys
67% for the dogs
gray iris
oh okay will keeep it in mind
mellow bridge
73% oppressors and 76% overseers
those are the caster packs
rest looks decent
the yellow mobs tend to run around and come back to hit you after a while
so you probably didnt pay attention to those and then got hit in the back
gray iris
yeah that is what happened.... i thought these are small guys and didnt use sb on them
ionic fern
That's not wrong. I don't use SB when i know that the damage intake is going to be low enough. 🤷
mellow bridge
it was the 6th highest dmg taken from trash 🤷♂️
ionic fern
Your casts are still low tho. intervene/charge have improved but Avatar/Spear/Ravager/DS are still horrible.
gray iris
i need to get this fundamental concept down before i can move to the other advance stuff
ionic fern
it was the 6th highest dmg taken from trash 🤷♂️
I meant the thought process, not that specific pack.
mellow bridge
and in the same pull you did block the 87% of hits from the big guy
so it was a positional mistake probably
causing you to get hit in the back by the small ones
gray iris
oh
mellow bridge
Need to be aware of how to position yourself
ionic fern
i need to get this fundamental concept down before i can move to the other advan...
Generating rage IS a fundamental.
gray iris
yeah man.... will get more casts of ravager and other important stuff
mellow bridge
ionic fern
feedback is very important in improving
Listening/accepting and implementing the feedback as well.
gray iris
yup true
ionic fern
We've had some people in the past who diddn't improve even though they were provided the feedback in the same way as for you.
gray iris
yeah... will keep practicing and this thing takes time
gray iris
as long as you have fun...it does not matter i guess
learned this the hard way playing fifa
normal zinc
I still suck after playing for years.
...same
Missed my 3rd pot and a full CD set on sylv last night
ionic fern
I'm surprised you're still taken to the raid after that mistake.
teal swift
I still suck after playing for years.
I'm not sure if the content has been getting easier, or I'm getting better. But I'm definitely getting more content down than I was in BFA
modern brook
We've had some people in the past who diddn't improve even though they were prov...
🤔
blazing condor
azure tusk
I'm not sure which two legendaries I should run in 9.2. Any recommendations? I only tank M+ (currently only up to 15-18) and HC raid bosses
mellow bridge
Reprisal + w/e cov you want to play besides venth
modern brook
i mean
in fairness if you're playing venth u still run the cov leggo :^)
its just the equivlent of playing while grounded - youre obviously having a blast but if dad ever finds out :^(
blazing condor
thats why you blackmail him with his mistress
mutually assured destruction
never fails
modern brook
literally condoom
blazing condor
por que
modern brook
he pulls no bitches :^)
blazing condor
Holy
inland raft
Looks like im a protpal m+ and havoc raider now time to make both of those show as brown on my ui ao i can pretend still master class
ocean reef
Looks like im a protpal m+ and havoc raider now time to make both of those show ...
Or stay warrior and make other people swap to said classes
inland raft
Ill prob fo both protpal and protwar in m+ tbh
ocean reef
I'll be ur wf
inland raft
As i said in the arms channel as havoc at least when i get killed cuz im watching tv or playing another game during the pull on my second monitor i can alt f4 and claim fel rush dc
dreamy island
What legendary should I use for prot warrior?
mellow bridge
Reprisal in most content
the wall on a few raid bosses (potentially)
seismic for meme keys
dreamy island
I dont think I have reprisal
mighty valley
It's annoying to do but you can get reprisal any week by resetting twisting corridors
mellow gorge
compared to the first reveal
mellow bridge
leggo is solid
mighty valley
set bonus is good but not as interactive as other tanks
mellow bridge
they fixed most of the annoying stuff
mighty valley
and not wildly overtuned either
mellow gorge
i've heard guardian is even more broken
mellow bridge
you can look for larolds post on it from a few weeks ago
mellow gorge
along side prot pally
vdh, bdk, and brews
well all tanks but prot warr seem overtuned
a tad bit too much
mellow gorge
they're even more busted afaik
mellow bridge
not really
they were broken in big aoe which got nerfed hard
and in ST they were close to useless and got buffed a bit for those situations
mighty valley
i think ours is sneaky good too, our rage gen is gonna be so high, but it means that the gap between good prot wars and bad is gonna be even bigger
mellow bridge
VDH is still in that scenario, their set is incredible for huge pulls and really weak for st/small pulls
mellow gorge
i noticed that
mighty valley
it speeds the whole spec up between having to IP more and getting more CDR from AM
mellow bridge
the prot set is solid in any situation but not great anywhere
mellow gorge
avatar 10% increase damage dealt and 10% dmg taken reduced is nice
mellow bridge
it does allow us to have 100% uptime on banner which is huge for raid however
mellow gorge
oho?
mellow bridge
assuming no big forced downtime
mellow gorge
i mean in dungeons aswell
mellow bridge
(so it will be fight dependant)
in dungeons it will lose value cuz you will always have forced downtime, some dungeons more than others
jagged pier
Our one is more centered on raid than m+ unlike the other tanks which is the opposite way around
mellow gorge
on tyra weeks
mellow gorge
can't have downtime if you keep pulling 👍
mellow bridge
yea vdh set is close to worthless in raids tbh
idk how bear set is in raid but it looks a lot more useful for m+
mighty valley
anyway grass is always greener etc but overall i'm excited, and they fixed the irritating parts from the first pass
jagged pier
Bear is busted not because of the tier set but because of sinful surge and thrash spamm
halcyon lichen
<@!179993058186625025> <@!193488426752802816> Thank you. I've crafted Reprisal. ...
For sure bro. It becomes second nature once you practice it for a day or two. Maybe try some keys with it. (Though take best served cold if you do it in keys)
Reprisal grants a free (stronger version) of revenge with that talent.
It’s a great lego. My shield block uptime is up to >90% in keys. (Higher w heavy rep) It’s absolutely mad.
Dm me if u got more Qs about log or the lego in general
solid granite
rage of the sleeper is sleeper op with 4pc venthyr
jagged pier
For sure bro. It becomes second nature once you practice it for a day or two. Ma...
Log of 90% without HR please
If raid then thats fine but if its m+ your talking about i want to see it
solid granite
90% in a 2min fight maybe, but not overall
mellow bridge
If raid then thats fine but if its m+ your talking about i want to see it
just kite every time sb is down
solid granite
leap > sb :p
halcyon lichen
Log of 90% without HR please
Oh I should clarify, this comment was for keys like +15 where everything will die so fast. In my weekly vaults I get like 90% with AM.
But in 24 and 25 with AM it’s around 70-75%. Up to maybe 80-85% with HR.
lofty widget
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/76ZKjbJ1XPBqxVdk#fight=7&type=summary heres a 24 with 90 %¤
and AM
halcyon lichen
Ur a GAMER
halcyon lichen
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/76ZKjbJ1XPBqxVdk#fight=7&type=summary heres...
@jagged pier I don’t log my self but chimmi has his here
mellow bridge
Oh I should clarify, this comment was for keys like +15 where everything will di...
you def need to work on that
80-85% with HR is too low for that key level
those are AM numbers
waxen orbit
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/76ZKjbJ1XPBqxVdk#fight=7&type=summary heres...
Russians are fucking wild I stg
halcyon lichen
80-85% with HR is too low for that key level
Ya could always do better
I’m just speaking from memory
mellow bridge
i was looking through my logs but most of them dont have talents
need to fix that
dont think I've had 90% with AM but close to it
around 87-88%
halcyon lichen
was just averaging on low side but I’m pretty sure I’ve had around that
waxen orbit
You talking effective uptime or regular uptime?
mellow bridge
hits blocked
mellow bridge
uptime is pretty useless to look at
halcyon lichen
wait
waxen orbit
I was misreading what you were laying down as just uptime lmao
halcyon lichen
I read as uptime as well
halcyon lichen
💀
mellow bridge
we always talk about blocked hits in here
cuz SB uptime is a worthless metric
congratz keeping up SB while the enemies are stunned, useful
waxen orbit
I still see some people being up SB uptime regularly so you never know /shrug
mellow bridge
and you can see in chimmis log as well, he meant blocked hits
that's a gamer move with AM
waxen orbit
congratz keeping up SB while the enemies are stunned, useful <:ratge:89035773254...
Tfw you pop shield wall and one of the DPS fucking pops a mass stun like Shadowfury
Actually chewed tf out of people for that before ngl
mellow bridge
if you are in comms with em, that's def the right thing to do lmao
mellow bridge
man looking at my warr rio makes me sad
havent pushed in 4 months
only close to 2.7k and still rank 50 lmao
meanwhile my dh is 80 points higher in 3 weeks of pushing
and rank 150
halcyon lichen
havent pushed in 4 months
Same, I started pushing my dk and pala, it’s just a bit more fun and almost easier
waxen orbit
I haven’t pushed prot io in 2 months and I still don’t have a team that will take me as a tank because they know I can play fury and want a prot paladin instead
halcyon lichen
ya for sure
mellow bridge
I dont randomly die anymore just because pug dps brains let 3 shadowcores through
waxen orbit
B/c prot paladin just WoG’s the whole party and does the healer’s job for them
waxen orbit
I dont randomly die anymore just because pug dps brains let 3 shadowcores throug...
Quickest way to get on guild blacklist
mellow bridge
yea not being able to find people that wanna play with me is the reason I stopped playing my warr lmao
with my DH at least I get invited to pug keys
halcyon lichen
yea not being able to find people that wanna play with me is the reason I stoppe...
“We need a guardian Druid for this 22 key you filthy warrior go away”
mellow bridge
yea basically that just for 24/25 instead
waxen orbit
yea not being able to find people that wanna play with me is the reason I stoppe...
“Okay but you can play fury just as well as you play prot so just play fury and we’ll get a prot paladin or a bear instead”
mellow bridge
I even have a 25 timed on the warr
but dont get invited to 23 dos that wouldve been score
waxen orbit
Obviously, yeah
mellow bridge
but it sucks to be the one not getting invited
waxen orbit
Factual
halcyon lichen
Just sac the healer or the guy without cds and just massive off healing
waxen orbit
And then talking about this issue warrants 2.3k Andy’s shouting about how they never experience this problem and everyone that has this happen needs to just git gud 
mellow bridge
I've had people join my group when I signed up my own key
see me as prot warr and leave again
lmfao
mostly healers actually, dps knew they'd sit in queue for ages anyways
halcyon lichen
Based
waxen orbit
mostly healers actually, dps knew they'd sit in queue for ages anyways
Healers when they see a tank they actually have to heal and can’t just DPS for half the key
dawn canyon
Thaner be like
solid granite
we had 3 healers in raid that were in the 0.1% m+ bracket. They couldn't heal for shit but were celebrated for being so good.
dawn canyon
(thaner loves to do damage)
dawn canyon
we had 3 healers in raid that were in the 0.1% m+ bracket. They couldn't heal fo...
One of the healers in my guild is a self titled hps whore 
Ironically they play paladin
waxen orbit
One of the healers in my guild is a self titled hps whore <:garms:91712019552759...
Is there a cringe emote on this server?
waxen orbit
halcyon lichen
waxen orbit
solid granite
and omg they were toxic af
waxen orbit
Raid healing is basically the one role that actually takes more skill in raid than in M+ if we’re being honest
(In current tier)
solid granite
i quit that guild, i rather not play at all than being surrounded by toxic m+'ers
dawn canyon
Yea not getting to burn your entire mana bar each pull is kinda tricky
jagged pier
i quit that guild, i rather not play at all than being surrounded by toxic m+'er...
but this discord is filled with them why are u here?
jagged pier
tropic linden
Healers when they see a tank they actually have to heal and can’t just DPS for h...
main healer last 9.0 and 9.1. Loved to heal warriors that knew how to play. Almost never had to heal him and didn't have spikes in dmg
Only gost KSM this season, but 9.0 was pushing some +20 keys
waxen orbit
Not bad
solid granite
i pushed myself to do all +20-22's as prot warr, but being scolded for being not good enough for a 9/10 guild whilst being surrounded by massive egos that couldn't heal for shit was so draining
jagged pier
but 9/10 means nothing for m+
i know plenty of 10/10 ppl i wouldnt bring to a 15 key
halcyon lichen
^
balmy coral
So if we go Necro in 9.2 are we going to stack haste/mastery?
waxen orbit
i pushed myself to do all +20-22's as prot warr, but being scolded for being not...
You’re good enough for CE if you could push a 22 chief LOL
You were just around toxic people
jagged pier
So if we go Necro in 9.2 are we going to stack haste/mastery?
no
solid granite
yeah, but their 'ideology' was "skill sets from high m+ translate to raiding". It doesn't, i know that.
balmy coral
So still haste>crit=vers>mastery?
jagged pier
So still haste>crit=vers>mastery?
yes
balmy coral
Night now for M+ I have 38% hast, 30% crit/vers and 2% mastery lol
jagged pier
okay stats dont matter
so your fine
we're also not running necro in m+ next season
only raid
well u can but its still not as good as kyrian and NF
balmy coral
I'm fine with running Necro in raids.
waxen orbit
Necro for ST encounters in raid, potentially cleave encounters
balmy coral
What soulbind? Emeni?
waxen orbit
Kyrian for M+
solid granite
yeah, necro feels very underwhelming in m+. I think NF is still the best option, followed by kyrian in necrotic weeks
waxen orbit
What soulbind? Emeni?
Marileth always
waxen orbit
yeah, necro feels very underwhelming in m+. I think NF is still the best option,...
Hard disagree
mellow gorge
btw lads quick question
if i spear, and before spear hits, i use avatar
does the dmg buff still apply
to the impact or no
jagged pier
yeah, necro feels very underwhelming in m+. I think NF is still the best option,...
i mean its not but necro only get value from uptime so u need to change pull in m+
balmy coral
I can't see NF beating Mikankos period
jagged pier
I can't see NF beating Mikankos period
it already does do more damage
waxen orbit
I can't see NF beating Mikankos period
It can but damage isn’t your primary focus in high keys
waxen orbit
does the dmg buff still apply
Yes
balmy coral
I'm surprised, spear hits really hard without the leggo for me.
jagged pier
aa has always hit harder
solid granite
It can but damage isn’t your primary focus in high keys
i personally like the 'knockdown' a tad more than kyrian w/ mika. Personal pref i suppose
waxen orbit
I'm surprised, spear hits really hard without the leggo for me.
Tbh you can interchange the two for big dam. I’ve hit 12.9k overall in a 17 mists as prot with spear and hit around that same number as NF
balmy coral
But Spear has a 40 second CD and lines up with avatar
Well I'm glad Kyrian will stay viable
Spear is great for bad groups xD
I pug everything.
waxen orbit
Kyr just better in general defensively and overall
waxen orbit
Thematically all the covenants have their strengths. NF thematically fits tauren and nelf warriors, but necro thematically fits every warrior if we bein real
mellow gorge
true true
waxen orbit
Shame that the cov ability is lackluster for 2/3 of its specs and is for specifically ST damage on prot
solid granite
my warri is female undead. Necro really fits thematically
balmy coral
Why is Marlith the soulbind choice?
waxen orbit
Big ST
jagged pier
because with kevin hes better
solid granite
fleshcraft & slimebuddy
balmy coral
Ahh yes Kevin.
balmy coral
But less of a pita?
solid granite
kevin is cute
waxen orbit
People who don’t check the stacks on the Bron buff irk me
solid granite
in lowish keys, you can play whatever soulbind
waxen orbit
^
I’ve tanked weekly +15s while baked off my ass and playing on OCE ping (200 ms) so you can def play whatever the fuck you want for baby keys n shit
solid granite
changed covenant and timed some 17's without a soulbind because i never changed to it. oh well
modern brook
People who don’t check the stacks on the Bron buff irk me
just @ me bro
waxen orbit
just @ me bro
I once activated Bron from leaping before using an invis pot and then that mf followed me during the skip and pulled everything I can’t judge
solid granite
Kevin pulling during invis or nw skips.. all mob really angy at small slime buddy
modern brook
I once activated Bron from leaping before using an invis pot and then that mf fo...
Bron keeping u honest
west walrus
Make a macro with a cancelaura for bron
Something I have to add...
I only have /cast soulshape and tiger's lust 🤓
And a cancel target
waxen orbit
Gotta have tooltip cast for ravager, spear, and leap
Imagine clicking the location your shit gets placed rather than just mouse over 🤢🤢🤢
mighty valley
I don't mind targeting for rav since I'm usually using it pre-pull and want some finesse over placement
Spear one click for sure tho
waxen orbit
I don't mind targeting for rav since I'm usually using it pre-pull and want some...
But it literally follows its prey and positions for you
mighty valley
Yeah but the first tick matters
waxen orbit
Zug zug
modern brook
sORCle
waxen orbit
Okay I’m calling it sorcle from now on
“Stand in big blue sorcle and damage. Bing bang boom you parse” (read that in a Borat voice)
balmy narwhal
Do you guys have any idea why I don't have augment rune missions on my kyrian table anymore?
I am level 33 right now
It's been like a couple of weeks and nada
jagged pier
u sometimes dont get them its random
distant crystal
If you have a covnenant with no mission table or a low mission table
you can swap back and forth in Oribos until you see augment missions
if you're real thirsty for em
aka the moonkin bell farm trick
tame jasper
Realm Rang 1 Prot Warrior 🥳
mighty valley
On a realm with plka so that's never happening for me
robust rover
Do you guys have any idea why I don't have augment rune missions on my kyrian ta...
Honestly, I was overflowing with Runes on my NF mission tables, but Kyrian tables are stingy a hell! I was selling stacks I had so many and now I went back Kyrian and need them.
balmy narwhal
Honestly, I was overflowing with Runes on my NF mission tables, but Kyrian table...
Exactly!!!! I was NF had soooo many runes, now I am running short because of raid and nothing lol
west walrus
What aren't you NF then ? 👀
balmy narwhal
Sorry I went back to Kyrian after
modern light
can EM for kyrians work in tanking?
strong forum
if youre trying to pad on adds in raid yes, otherwise bit lackluster
jagged pier
its okay but doesnt give any defensive gain
its not advisable to use unless u have a good grip on the spec and how to use your SB effectively
modern light
what leggo is good all round?
jagged pier
reprisal
gray iris
hey guys, is show of force better or ashen juggernaut as a conduit?
viral axle
i say ashen only if venthyr
blazing condor
Ashen is nice in st
waxen orbit
Show of Force is a dead conduit
Don't even bother using that thing
Kyrian/NF conduit, adaptive armor fragment, and ashen if you have the third potency conduit
modern brook
if u have a 3rd potency yor soulbinds set up wrong tbh
modern brook
yes
mellow gorge
does that mean shield slam and thunder clap get 3x effective
e.g goes 60% slow and 90+ more rage
or how will it work
mellow gorge
aight ty
strong forum
yeah i dont trust blizzard tooltips 🙂
strong forum
you had someone slow it by 60% and then compared if it moved faster or not?
west walrus
I compared base target movement speed against buffed thunder clap
With, and without talent
Base speed : 115%
unbuffed TC without talent : 92% (-20%)
unbuffed buffed TC with talent : 80% (-30%)
buffed TC without talent : 69% (-40%)
buffed TC with talent : 58% (-50%)
Just retested it
https://wago.io/8meskrFCw if you want to test it yourself
While testing, I hoped it was fixed :D
But it is really not worth using outburst for the slow bonus
waxen orbit
if u have a 3rd potency yor soulbinds set up wrong tbh
On Mik? Not for baby keys
Only need to run 2 potency and Hammer above +22
balmy narwhal
Do you guys know where I can find the WA with the puddle dot stacks for mythic sylvanas on me and my off tank?
Is there a specific name for it?
azure tusk
Is it a good idea to craft 2 legendaries ahead of time for 9.2? I kinda want to do it now already, but I'm not sure about upgrade costs for legendaries in 9.2 because I don't really want to waste gold
mighty valley
It'll basically just be wasting gold on an extra vessel tbh
One of the legendaries is the covenant switching belt which we can't get until it's unlocked in 9.2
waxen orbit
Ayo but why my Epsilon character look so baller
tame jasper
One of the legendaries is the covenant switching belt which we can't get until i...
you cant get the memory either, so if you want to craft the memory on a rang 6 - yeah u can buy the vessel now.
gray iris
cant get over 85% blocked hits with hr.. I think im pressing less charge and iintervene or some positional problems
and have 7.1 cpm of ss
ionic fern
Well, to really min-max up-time on SB you should also Charge mid combat.
To fill in the gaps.
SS does seem a bit low as well.
gray iris
yeah that iswhere i struggle.. i have to heroic leap back and then charge..this ttakes me time and meanwhile mob melees my back
ionic fern
If you're already using Intervene on CD + not wasting any SB charges it's probably:
1)Charge mid combat
2)SS on CD
gray iris
yeah im getting good at sb and intevene always on cd
but yeah more casts of ss and charge midfight
ionic fern
There's a "How to Reprisal" section in the IV guide M+ section that you can read.
Maybe that can help you out a bit.
gray iris
in this discord channel?
gray iris
oh okay thanks man...will go through it
ionic fern
You don't always have to Leap->Charge btw.
You can just Charge to a caster (most packs have atleast one). Just be careful since you might get smacked in the back when you Charge to them.
If you do Leap , don't Leap too far since that increases the chance of the pack moving further after you, causing small DPS brains to be confused.
If you're Kyrian you can also Spear->Charge.
gray iris
haha yeah...caster mob is pain in the ass with leap charge
with boss it is no problem but with mob doing charge midfight is tough as there are so many mechanics going on
ionic fern
Depending on the pack it can be harder, jeah.
But you will already significantly increase your SB up-time by Intervening on CD(as needed) and Shield Slamming more.
So focus on that.
gray iris
yup these two things need to be addressed more
mighty valley
you could record a dungeon and someone could point out where you're struggling?
or you could just watch it back - a lot of the time mistakes seem painfully obvious when you're watching later
jagged pier
and have 7.1 cpm of ss
Thats low should be around 10
gray iris
Thats low should be around 10
yup, need to work on this
gray iris
you could record a dungeon and someone could point out where you're struggling?
yeah i look at every report after the dungeon
mighty valley
I mean literally video record it
gray iris
oh'
blazing condor
sounds like you know what to work on at least
just keep at it and look at logs etc like you do
gray iris
yeah i do know that but soon as the dung begins i forget lol
blazing condor
yeah i mean there's a lot of things to think about in dungeons
jagged pier
Thats the important part
blazing condor
maybe do some baby-dungeons and really focus on just playing pwarr
get the habit in
lime urchin
Make a mouse-over intervene / charge macro, it will be even easier to handle!
gray iris
yeah im doing low keys
gray iris
i have that
lime urchin
And make frens with good rouges
gray iris
will get there...
mighty valley
It’s just practice, more things become automatic and you can focus on the tough stuff
gray iris
yeah true
lime urchin
yea, practice and make frens with nice people to do more keys with!
deft hinge
and u can if u feel safe about ur rage situation macro SB into intervene/charge so u dont have to think too much about it, but that u must test urself. for me it works, others might not like it
dawn canyon
Dont macro sb into that wtf
blazing condor
the only macro pwarrs really use are intervene/charge
i can't see another macro worth using (thats not mouseover or similar)
teal swift
and u can if u feel safe about ur rage situation macro SB into intervene/charge ...
Plz dont
deft hinge
dont do this dont do that. play how u feel works
mellow gorge
<:yuzu:932562023240335380> <@331516563943587842> u still here
Its WoW, you never truly quit
Once you're in, you cant go out
teal swift
No, still vulpera
warm silo
I wish prot warr was better
blazing condor
why
we're good enough to do any content
besides maybe the very highest of keys but thats just cus other classes do them better
blazing condor
i wish any class but [meta class] was better
lime urchin
Yes, prot warrior fun tonk!
west walrus
Just one thing I would like : a way higher IP cap
Good pwar would be those who don't waste IP
urban portal
Yeah ip cap is def low
warm silo
The problem for me is it just feels so weak against magic damage. Which is something that is relevant in pretty much all sl dungeons
urban portal
On pull you overcap ip so much
warm silo
- no invites for keys
strong forum
Do your own keys
warm silo
Just one thing I would like : a way higher IP cap <:sadge:820202363359854633>
G...
Agree 100%
warm silo
Do your own keys
Ppl leave when they see it bro
warm silo
Agree
strong forum
Only shit people think tank choice matters
blazing condor
classes don't mean shit in keys i swear the worst player i ever play with are the ones that play "good classes"
west walrus
When doing my keys, people are tagging pretty fast
warm silo
Well in a high halls key warrior also just sucks
urban portal
Half of that ip is gonna time out anyways
Just make it stack like ironfur
If you are so worried
west walrus
I do not think there are much people who care about who tanks
warm silo
I mean i wanna do higher than 25
warm silo
Yeah
strong forum
Should be plenty
teal swift
If you're not first you're last
Truest words, except prot is 6/6
strong forum
It rly ain't
lime urchin
man I am having a deja vu
strong forum
It's only 6/6 on the literal top 20 key level
teal swift
One of the. Has to be the worst
warm silo
But in a key like halls its just hell unless the interrupts are on point
teal swift
But it's not much worse
urban portal
Prot warrior has never done a 29
warm silo
It is the worst tank in m+ atm
teal swift
It shouldn't dictate your choice
blazing condor
do you do highest keys?
lofty widget
worst doesnt mean bad
blazing condor
if no then it doesnt matter
teal swift
It is the worst tank in m+ atm
It's not noticable until you're running +26 and higher
warm silo
Well i prefer to actually play the game rather than sit in queue
west walrus
Prot warrior has never done a 29
Redfuego, NW 29
lime urchin
It's not noticable until you're running +26 and higher
only noticable if you play bad
warm silo
It's not noticable until you're running +26 and higher
Well thats my problem
urban portal
Ye MB I was looking at logs
teal swift
Well i prefer to actually play the game rather than sit in queue
Why u in queue
Just run your own key???
urban portal
But still nw
warm silo
Just run your own key???
Ive tried bro
warm silo
Why u in queue
The hate is real
urban portal
I don't think so
lime urchin
make frens to push you keys with 🙂
teal swift
I mean, you're manufacturing issues that don't exist
urban portal
Top requires ridiculous pulls for 29
teal swift
Trying to make a better argument
mellow gorge
how do you even do big pulls in ToP
dawn canyon
Souls + Portal Guardian
dawn canyon
Whole gorechop wing
blazing condor
yeah all of first room in gorechop is like what you can pull
dawn canyon
@teal swift ayo Yuzu
mellow gorge
how do you even manage the interrupts
teal swift
mellow gorge
on 3 or 4x sludge spewers
dawn canyon
How is your wordle going
Yet to play more of it
dawn canyon
how do you even manage the interrupts
Prot pala + shamy + aoe stops
west walrus
Spell reflection
mellow gorge
understandable
urban portal
That's the point tho
Like warrior is prob the best tank for top of you do normal pulls
But you can't time a 29 playing normally
blazing condor
juicy
dawn canyon
But doesnt make up for the rest of the key
mellow gorge
no it doesn't
mellow gorge
but then again, I doubt i'll ever touch 29s
urban portal
But this is a log of a 29
I was trying to go pull by pull
Anyways this is how a 29 is done approximately
blazing condor
probably
mellow gorge
hopefully
blazing condor
cus the patch is gonna be out for like 1 more year
lol
this the last patch of SL
mellow gorge
some new content would be quite nice
teal swift
And tier set
mellow gorge
but looks like 30s is the way to go woo
dawn canyon
31 timed on live already
urban portal
30 is gonna be easy
mellow gorge
can't wait till our new wall is gonna be 35
teal swift
Only if you're already doing like 24s
If you're struggling with 20s rn
It won't be ez
west walrus
I'm looking forward to having a draenei rsham healing me
mellow gorge
the only struggle at this rate are the people
west walrus
Old days
teal swift
I'm looking forward to being mechagnome or some shit
urban portal
How long does the mechagnome buff last for
teal swift
Honestly, remove factions
All together
Like not this dumb shit
Also let random battlegrounds include the entire player pool for the region
So we can fucking not have 12 minute queues
warm silo
I mean, you're manufacturing issues that don't exist
Well the other tanks are just so much more forgiving. My issues with prot warrior is how weak it is against magic dmg
warm silo
Yeah i agree
west walrus
pwar is weak against magic... when kicks are not done properly
ocean reef
Didn't you swap from warrior due to magic damage
warm silo
Tank balance is insane
ocean reef
teal swift
pwar is weak against magic... when kicks are not done properly
Tbf sylv is masochistic to prog with a prot warrior
west walrus
Tbf sylv is masochistic to prog with a prot warrior
I did it !
warm silo
Its just sad that warrior is the worst atm
teal swift
Someone has to be the worst
mellow gorge
yea
strong forum
Just like all of legion and all of bfa for raid?
mellow gorge
our set balance is, well, actually balanced and nice
brewmasters just get
keg smash, more damage, heal, and hp buff
west walrus
imagine kicking shadowcore
Bolstering week, waiting for a mega buffed shadowcore 
strong forum
Pwar was much much worse in legion
mellow gorge
and also dmg reduction on near 100%
teal swift
Just like all of legion and all of bfa for raid?
Prot warrior was so shit in bfa
warm silo
Mostly down to the dungeon design and damage patterns
teal swift
Like actually fucking miserable to raid on
lime urchin
isnt this the first time in a long time all tonks are very viable?
teal swift
But they can do keys well
mellow gorge
why is it buffed that hard
lime urchin
shouldnt we be happy?
teal swift
isnt this the first time in a long time all tonks are very viable?
Yeah lmao
ocean reef
Nyalotha prot warrior wasn't bad at least
teal swift
All tanks are always viable. But rn they are all good.
warm silo
I agree
lime urchin
yes, that is better worded what I mean Yuzu
strong forum
isnt this the first time in a long time all tonks are very viable?
Since 8.3 all tanks have been amazing balance wise
But yet people love to complain how shit pwar is
teal swift
< people
ocean reef
Hardest is subjective though?
mellow gorge
But yet people love to complain how shit pwar is
if only magic didn't exist, pwar would be top 😦
strong forum
On a scale from S to F
All tanks are A or above
urban portal
How is brew not nerfed
strong forum
Does that solve your "worst"?
teal swift
On a scale from S to F
All tanks are A or above
Agree
Some fights one might fall to B tier.
west walrus
I remember being said "squishy tank" by a rsham, while dying
They were 2h hps...
teal swift
Uhhh prot warriors are not squishy
urban portal
The current state of brew is not ok on ptr
warm silo
Which is understandable
west walrus
I was first by far
teal swift
They are vulnerable to like 1 boss this tier
urban portal
Mistakes are more punishing
lime urchin
I mean, I play all six, and all six are fun in their own way.
teal swift
Sylv as a prot warrior is actually masochistic
strong forum
Stuff will happen
urban portal
If you turn your back on prot war you are dead
teal swift
Kudos to all of you who successfully did it.
strong forum
Just like vdh just got killed yesterday
urban portal
On every other tank you are less dead
warm silo
On every other tank you are less dead
Uuh
teal swift
My bdk has a cheat death, and doesn't need a healer
And the skill floor is below sea level.
west walrus
On every other tank you are less dead
And then, as pwar, people say you are bad
west walrus
Can you stagger when hit in the back ?
teal swift
Pwar is actually the strongest when getting hit in the back
What?
teal swift
Can you stagger when hit in the back ?
Yes
west walrus
Then, monks are better :p
urban portal
How so
strong forum
Pwar has the highest base armor in the game, when you can't press any buttons pwar is the strongest
Simple as that
strong forum
But you need to face the target to generator armor on other tanks
teal swift
By a large margin?
urban portal
Bear barely does
teal swift
I don't think that's the case
urban portal
They just take it in the back
teal swift
I'm pretty sure it's monk no?
Monk has no armor passive
Or armor ability
Bear has like 230%
urban portal
Vdh melts in the back tho
teal swift
And vdh has a thicc passive afaik
urban portal
Vdh 20% magic dr is what keeps them good
strong forum
Meta does
strong forum
If not for feldev+demonic vdh would be the most laughable tank
strong forum
In raid maybe
teal swift
Even without fel dev
blazing condor
i just dislike the playstyle of VDH
blazing condor
just a buncha sigils
teal swift
In keys LOL
teal swift
I don't like kiting much as a tank
strong forum
Tank balance for raid is literally just
Who does the most dmg
Who brings raid buffs
That's it
blazing condor
um i actually died as a pwarr in raid that means we're the worst
teal swift
Tank balance for raid is literally just
Uhhh, tank balance for raid:
Blizzard: we need it to be survivable by a dk with no defwnsives up
Every other tank 
strong forum
Pmuch
ionic fern
Do we need a bot for every time someone says "Magic damage" in this channel so it mutes them or copy-pastes "
".
teal swift
As long as bdk exists with its current reactive model. Every other tank will feel crisp in raid
teal swift
Do we need a bot for every time someone says "Magic damage" in this channel so i...
60s mute
blazing condor
the amount of "magic damage" bait i'd do
blazing condor
does shadow damage count as physical or what does it count as?
lime urchin
Do we need a bot for every time someone says "Magic damage" in this channel so i...
Yes and another one for when someone mention tank balance, and randomly copy paste the above reoccurring talks
teal swift
does shadow damage count as physical or what does it count as?
Yes.
blazing condor
teal swift
Afaik there's only two types of damage that don't count as magical
Physical, and bleeds
warm silo
does shadow damage count as physical or what does it count as?
Magicus damagus
blazing condor
damogus
teal swift
Oh, I mean, what damage types aren't magic
ionic fern
I literally only play/know Protection Warrior.
mellow gorge
what is a bdk
teal swift
Afaik it's just physical and bleeds right?
blazing condor
i think lich king is one
mellow gorge
exactly
blazing condor
i even did it myself