protection

[urban portal]

top is so easy on prot

while bladeflurry chunking every other tank

we take like 15k on fortified at most

[teal swift]

[brittle owl]

afternoon naps

ez pz

[jagged pier]

if i do that i dont sleep

[dawn canyon]

over an entire NW

pug tanks huh

[jagged pier]

🤔

[dawn canyon]

i wonder why they died like 4 times

[jagged pier]

dont worry we've seen worse

[knotty mortar]

[dawn canyon]

49 shiedslams

81 revnj

[jagged pier]

nah that cant be over a dungeon

[dawn canyon]

2 charge

[jagged pier]

thats like 1 fight

[dawn canyon]

it is

[jagged pier]

🤷

[dawn canyon]

well we timed

who am i to complain

[sweet summit]

hæhæ

[dawn canyon]

[ocean reef]

hëhë

[sick sentinel]

always be toxic to pugs

its the only way they learn

[dawn canyon]

no i dont wanna bully them into playin arms

[jagged pier]

what shit mind set get in the 🗑️

[ionic fern]

I just get told to go away when i try to help random prot warriors in game.

[sick sentinel]

If there are fewer prot warriors playing, the more space I have to shine

In the eventuality that I'm the only prot warrior in the world, I'll always parse 100

Best prot warrior, backed up by facts, statistics and logic

[dawn canyon]

i can probably be realm #1 frost dk

since im the only one

same for pwar

[sweet summit]

dead realm

[ionic fern]

I'm used to being in top 100 world but now i'm not even in the top 1000.

[west walrus]

Being top 100 world this patch was a mere dream

Now I am aiming top 20 EU

[dawn canyon]

dead class

[sweet summit]

[ionic fern]

Dead game (?)

Anyways, we can't do higher keys than 20's anyways.
We are not the meta tank.

[west walrus]

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

You can

[prisma obsidian]

:pepehands:

[sick sentinel]

and if you do it twice you can-can

[oblique garnet]

I remember when i was top5 now i dont even get to 15s

[ionic fern]

[oblique garnet]

Tbf in this entire expansion i have done less keys than i did in s4 of bfa

By a huge margin

[ionic fern]

Same. 😦

[trim bay]

No BOM or corruption or FH :(

[oblique garnet]

Not a single fun dungeon

Bfa had multiple

[sweet summit]

📏 📠 🙅‍♂️ 🧢

[oblique garnet]

Straight fax no cap?

[sweet summit]

[oblique garnet]

God i fucking hate zoomers

[sweet summit]

[ionic fern]

HoV was actually fun for me.

👀

Not at the time..but now thinking back.

[oblique garnet]

Id rather run cataclysm dungeons or even classic m+ over the current dogshit shadowlands ones

[dawn canyon]

WoD m+

[jagged pier]

bring back CMs as part of time walking scale us back and give us back old stuff, and let us do it all the time same and MT 👍

same with old raids

why not let ppl sync to old 60 and get the gear to do the raid

i dont see a problem

would be fun as well

[oblique garnet]

Cant have that thats a good idea

[jagged pier]

the least they can do is get rid of factions right?

[oblique garnet]

Nope

[jagged pier]

😭

[oblique garnet]

I have 0 faith in blizzard making good decisions for the game anymore

[jagged pier]

thats where its got too which is

[oblique garnet]

At this point if 9.2 doesnt deliver idk if i even keep playing wow

After tier ofc

[dawn canyon]

And then on New expac u return

The infinte cycle of excitement and copa

[oblique garnet]

Nah if i quit now ill be done for good atleast with retail

[jagged pier]

well at least he new patch stuff isnt related to play power

[oblique garnet]

It is

[jagged pier]

well not as much as korthia

[oblique garnet]

It is

[jagged pier]

not what scripe said yesterday

[oblique garnet]

It wont be as rng as korthia but it is exactly similiar to it

Because the conduit upgrade is tied to it

And sockets too

[jagged pier]

conduit is tied to KSH isnt it?

[oblique garnet]

And exalted rep

[jagged pier]

🤷

[oblique garnet]

One of the three achies + reputation

[jagged pier]

i dunno ppl were saying its better, i dont give enough of a shit to care anymore

if raid or tier set not good

im likely to quit

[oblique garnet]

23 days to revered so 30-35 to exalted

The only good thing to come this raid tier is that there is no domination shards

But then they removed 2x legendaries from first 2 mythic weeks so now youre weaker than what you were in sod even with the tiersets

10/10 design

[jagged pier]

🤷

[oblique garnet]

$pb 220998337539604480

[true pawn]

User is already banned, but I will now attempt to purge messages left behind from the user
If you are trying to escalate the ban to permanent you will need to use the command "ban" instead.

Done.

[jagged pier]

ooo they getting smart

no @ everyone

[sick sentinel]

Someone got banned here?

[ionic fern]

Someone's always getting banned.

Mostly bot's.

[sick sentinel]

Oh, I thought someone was arguing with someone and got banned for it

[autumn pendant]

Yea i can show you eassily

Just need to find my Book of words to get banned extra fast

[ionic fern]

[autumn pendant]

@ionic fern You are extremely nice! HA!

wait

this was written by Dr. Seuss

nvm

[ionic fern]

Why would we ban someone for arguing? 👀
Unless the person is getting personal or just going full mong it's np.

[sick sentinel]

Dunno, could be some negative internal bias

I'm just tired of playing wow though these days, so I'm gunna go on a break

[ionic fern]

You said that already a month ago..that you were going to a break and you will see us all in 9.2
And then you came back the next day.

[sick sentinel]

I just log in and then have negative will power to do anything at all

[jagged pier]

u said this before new year as well

said u would be back in 9.2

[sick sentinel]

Tired of pretending like I'm having good time

Yeah, thought about it, but I just literally don't give a fuck at all any more, key was a dos 13 and its dropped to a 10 now all dead in first 3 packs

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

okay 👋

[sick sentinel]

Seems later guys, maybe 9.2 I'll rejoin server, but I've had enough

[ionic fern]

Take care.

[sick sentinel]

Nothing against anyone here or anyone in general or specific

I've just literal had enough

[jagged pier]

👋

[ionic fern]

Jeah..i get that. No need for a game to make you feel bad.

[sick sentinel]

I'd like to thank @modern brook and @strong forum for trying, and just being friends

Maybe in 10.0 or beyond bros

👋

[ionic fern]

👋

[sweet summit]

👋

[autumn pendant]

👋

[west walrus]

👋

[autumn pendant]

Or just mute server

and stay

Gotta pad those numbers of consistent member

[dawn canyon]

👋

[strong forum]

:suspicious:

[teal swift]

Wordle 223 6/6

⬛⬛⬛🟨⬛
🟨🟨⬛⬛⬛
⬛🟨🟨⬛⬛
🟩🟩⬛⬛🟩
🟩🟩🟩⬛🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

I did so bad today.

[ocean reef]

Bit sussy!

[strong forum]

Wordle 223 1/6

🟩 🟩 🟩 🟩 🟩

[sweet summit]

yoooo

crazy wordle hack

[strong forum]

Ya is sick

[autumn pendant]

Only sus people sus others

[strong forum]

I would never be sus

[ocean reef]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/902116733463179314/image0-107.gif

[modern brook]

who the fuck is @ ing me at 8 am

[ocean reef]

@modern brook

[sweet summit]

@modern brook

[modern brook]

its 9 am now

😠

[ocean reef]

Get @ 'ed at 9 am

[strong forum]

|| @modern brook cute if read ||

[modern brook]

|| ||

[autumn pendant]

Also booty

[sweet summit]

sussy @ocean reef

[ocean reef]

I will purge you

Delet!

[teal swift]

@strong forum hug

:33

[sick sentinel]

Guys, this isn't meme channel

please move all non protection warrior conversations to #off-topic

[sweet summit]

this is #off-topic wdym

[sick sentinel]

?ban Erga

enjoy your ben

[sweet summit]

oh no

[autumn pendant]

wil lhe get ben...10?

[sweet summit]

benw

[sick sentinel]

bin

[strong forum]

Loved Ben 10 as a kid

[sick sentinel]

Loved Rule 34 Ben10

[strong forum]

Sir

Stir s

Sir

Sir

[sweet summit]

no

delete

[ocean reef]

This is highly irregular

Please delet

[oblique garnet]

[minor helm]

[modern brook]

I have a question about prot tanking

Why no good shield mogs?

[mellow bridge]

wdym

og mage tower shield is good

[autumn pendant]

idd

[west walrus]

[plush tendon]

Distinct lack of good shields

[strong forum]

mythic ghuun shield is good

👍

shame that its so hard to get 🧢

[teal swift]

New legion one is pretty sick

[modern brook]

nom has questional taste in mogs bro nvm i thought it was the stupid one but the ghun shield one is actually p ok

[ocean reef]

I've always been a sheep so I just use the naxx shield/bulwark

[teal swift]

I like aggramar or whatever

[modern brook]

i just use legion MT mog still cause its the only good one

but it doesnt go with a lot of plate sets

[hard knot]

any prot warrior streams or youtube that I can watch, to get a feel of the Prot Warrior

[lime urchin]

Yes go to plkatv to check him out

But you may see a palading there nowadays too

[modern brook]

smh

Nomeratur and sense

both have vods on their twitch

both have their twtich in there discord profile

noms playing monster hunter rise without me smh

lmao Chargeblade one trick

[jagged pier]

@ionic fern streams when

[jagged pier]

me, nome, sense, plka

kuk

boomcheck

[ionic fern]

Never.

[jagged pier]

maybe i stream keys tonight with @ionic fern

[modern brook]

I'd watch that

I'd watch anything with mwahi or ergod in them

[west walrus]

[jagged pier]

then u should watch hotpiss when erga depletes keys with them

[hard knot]

@jagged pier Whats your twitch name?

[west walrus]

You can see Tattman as well, who is regularly streaming

#268491842637660160 message

[oblique garnet]

Woah

[patent osprey]

Hey! I've been monking recenty

[oblique garnet]

Betrayed by yet another raid tank

[jagged pier]

u said u stream at midnight with no notifications so no one can watch

i thought u wanted to be left out

[oblique garnet]

Nah i mean you can watch but idk why i got like no notifcations or it didnt even show on discord that i was streaming

Might need to reconnect twitch or smth

[jagged pier]

ah fair

[oblique garnet]

Wouldnt even be most interactive stream with chat tho just me vibing tunes doing m+

[jagged pier]

That what mine would be, and me sighing a lot when pugs mess up. Cant all be pro like @patent osprey that actually can read and talke and do dungeons at the same time

[oblique garnet]

I dont have my mic on in obs

[west walrus]

And say "oh shit" while playing better than most of us

[modern brook]

Jakey sigh cam 😮

[jagged pier]

U think i have a cam KEKW

[modern brook]

bro im way more into the audio of jakey sighs

[jagged pier]

I actually rewatched my kill of mage tower on ptr, the other week for some reason and all u could hear was me sighing at the end because i was so unimpressed

KEKW

[modern brook]

understandable tbh

wait yogi got banne?

[west walrus]

No, they left

[modern brook]

what the

who hurt my precious boy

😠

[ocean reef]

The game did

[modern brook]

oof

honestly didnt see that coming

[ocean reef]

#protection message

Suppose it's understandable

[mellow bridge]

he didnt even leave

still has the role

[modern brook]

[mellow bridge]

wait nvm

he did actually leave but still has the role?

huh

[ocean reef]

Doesn't for me

[modern brook]

no role on my check

[mellow bridge]

weird

[modern brook]

not that it really matters

[ocean reef]

Tbf I'm not playing WoW atm but I'm still in Skyhold

[mellow bridge]

guess it's just my disc bugging

[ocean reef]

Can see why someone would want to leave WoW channels though so they wont have any second thoughts about starting it up again

🤷‍♂️

[mellow bridge]

well

he's still in the dk disc

so there's that

[west walrus]

@oblique garnet why not having a stream channel, to get notified whenever a prot warrior is streaming ?

And/or a temporary streaming role

[oblique garnet]

They are included in faq i think

[ocean reef]

They are

If anything they should have vods up whenever if you don't catch them while they're live

[oblique garnet]

Hey you can go and watch my vod

[ocean reef]

[jagged pier]

Out of couriousity if, there was a stream what do u want to see pushing numbers or actually keeping SB up?

[west walrus]

At Peak of Serenity, there is a verified streams channel

[oblique garnet]

Well since neither of us is pushing keys atm its just gonna be blasting dps

[jagged pier]

What do you mean atm im never gunna push keys

[oblique garnet]

Could be kinda fun to see how little damage you could take while maximising dps output with reprisal

Highest i got with reprisal was 9k iirc

[jagged pier]

I havent had reprisal equiped for keys in like a year

[blazing condor]

log on
yogi is no longer with us

[ionic fern]

Dead channel.

[wild hemlock]

holy shit we lost yogi

!?

[jagged pier]

The game lost yogi

[wild hemlock]

his pugs will be happy lmaoooooo

but we will be sad

[oblique garnet]

[jagged pier]

Toxic

[wild hemlock]

sad day

[modern brook]

I just want to watch the boys tbh

[jagged pier]

there are no bois left playing

[ionic fern]

I'm here. 😦

[jagged pier]

yer but not all the bois

and the last 2 times ive ask u to do keys u ignored me

even when i pinged in discord

[ionic fern]

When did you pign?:(

[jagged pier]

last thursday i think

so i tried in game last time

both times ignored

😦

[ionic fern]

Rude. 😦

[blazing condor]

Arrogant tc

[modern brook]

me literally every moment of my life

not happy to admit this took me 20 minutes.

[blazing condor]

Thanks for staying true to your american role by reducing all of europe into one flag

Is there even a french dude in here lmao

[modern brook]

Yeah Nom

[west walrus]

👀

[modern brook]

honestly its a running joke that i think only i find funny

but for as long as i have air in my lungs and MSpaint on my work computer

i will continue to make it

[jagged pier]

@ionic fern rdy for keys btw

[scenic mural]

What do you run ?

[west walrus]

Quickest I could do

[jagged pier]

siesmic

[modern brook]

wow a photo of all of europe amazing

[blazing condor]

Spear of bastille

[west walrus]

🤣

[jagged pier]

ignored by mwahi again

[ionic fern]

I can't figure out ehat to eat

So probably ordering a pizza

2m and we go

[jagged pier]

ok

[ionic fern]

What keys are we even doing? What levels?
Then i know if warri or DH.

👀

[jagged pier]

can do 15s

with ither of thoses

[ionic fern]

Les go

[jagged pier]

i have a 19 DoS 👀

[ionic fern]

I JUST LOGGED MY DH FOR a 15.

Smh

Well, 14 i guess since i got SD 14.

[modern brook]

strem plz

[west walrus]

It's live

[modern brook]

smh

only live stream is @strong forum whos too busy playing with the LAMEST WEAPON IN THE GAME to notice all the times i made fun of him in the last 2 hours

(whats jakey's strem)

[ionic fern]

https://www.twitch.tv/jakeyplops

[west walrus]

Too many vulpera prot warrior

[ocean reef]

IMAGINE playing CB

And not something truly out of this world like GREATSWORD

[modern brook]

Greatsword is great

[strong forum]

normies

imagine playing ANYTHING but CB

casuals

[ocean reef]

Nome tell me

Do you have a PDF file on another monitor

While you're playing with CB

[strong forum]

why should i

i have 800hrs on cb

[ocean reef]

Typical CB main

[strong forum]

imagine just being bad

[ocean reef]

I don't have to imagine that

[strong forum]

and not memorising a 3step combo

[modern brook]

Insane that you'd invest 800 hours into being a dork

[normal zinc]

@jagged pier what is this demon comp

Literally

[oblique garnet]

@jagged pier wtf youre british

[ocean reef]

A proper lad

[modern brook]

hes bri'ish

[minor helm]

Just guys bein dudes

[jagged pier]

yes?

[wild hemlock]

@jagged pier are you running seismic?

[jagged pier]

yes

[sweet summit]

jakey literally boomer ui :/

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Easiest key of my life.

[sweet summit]

not even close

[wild hemlock]

lmaooo the star wars music cover

thats what it is, correct?

[strong forum]

yo thats almost mdi comp

[dawn canyon]

keybind your mount scrub

[mighty valley]

i didn't keybind my mount until my wife yelled at me

shift + space is best mount keybind

[dawn canyon]

Agree

Control space for mog mount

[strong forum]

ctrl + c

[dawn canyon]

If i ever get a longboy that's gonna be the bind

(never)

[strong forum]

enjoy your 25mil mouint

[mighty valley]

i'll bind it to my second keyboard made of solid gold

[agile pumice]

Mount on usb hashtag button

[distant crystal]

I need an input device that can detect sphincter tightening so I can bind that to shieldwall

[strong forum]

wait did you disband before finishing the key? @jagged pier

[ionic fern]

Healer went afk

[deft hinge]

the new year firework was great! i macroed it to my thunderclap. Away she goes!

every second TP became a starstruck one

*TC

[strong forum]

cringe

didnt +3 so you have to leave

smh

[jagged pier]

he did less healing than me on first pull of PF

[strong forum]

shit tank

[blazing condor]

Friendly fire will not be tolerated

[grand spruce]

Question: in the event of items being the same ilvl, is it worthwhile to drop some haste for more crit for keys?

[plush tendon]

I think it does depend, but generally speaking more haste is always better up to 40%

but like, if you got like 31% haste and literally 0 crit, getting a little crit is probably a good idea

[grand spruce]

30% haste and about 17% crit

[blazing condor]

id take haste

[plush tendon]

prob more haste then

[grand spruce]

hmmm I see.

[distant crystal]

is the 25 row bugged in torghast

i keep ending up with nothing talented there after i finish a run, i think it's from getting the doubletime power, but those talent powers never did that on other toons

[sweet summit]

idk what that row is

[waxen vale]

!legendary

It seems like the guide on icy is outdated for leg

Maybe?

It talks about sludgefist whens the last time anyone pulled that

Is reprisal still best for mplus? (Kyrian)

[waxen orbit]

More crit

30% haste is more than enough

20% is good enough

More crit = more parry and more damage

[dawn canyon]

yes

[pale gust]

Everybody suggests haste+crit.. i still remember when every prot warrior aimed for stacking haste+vers on their gear

[waxen orbit]

Crit/vers with a tie for priority on crit and haste

[dawn canyon]

versa is a bit harder to get now that pvp gear isnt equal to pve stuff

[waxen orbit]

Just hit glad 4head

[dawn canyon]

truu

[hollow trellis]

is there any scenario where we use Venthyr next patch? I just finished getting renown for the other 3 covenants

[distant crystal]

maybe jailer starts at 15% hp and takes bonus shadow dmg

[teal swift]

@Phill#0748 zoxo

@wicked whale

Hugs

@dawn canyon zoxo

[cinder pasture]

The insomnia is back 👀

[wicked whale]

hello

[teal swift]

Helllooo@wicked whale

[waxen orbit]

None

[mellow bridge]

It's because nothing has changed

Reprisal is still the best legendary in any situation that isn't a meme key where you can run seismic or rare raid situations where the wall is better

And no that won't change next patch either

[urban portal]

Vers is overrated on almost any tank

The only big value vers has is stopping magic damage which is like 10% of a dungeon

[stone wing]

are there any legendaries I should be looking to craft that will pair well with the tier set/necrolord legendary next patch?

[shut summit]

reprisal/wall

[urban portal]

Is wall actually poggers with tier set

[waxen orbit]

Doesn’t feel like it at all

But I’m open to being proven wrong

[jagged pier]

Its only 3 less rage per sec maybe less cant fully remeber, but right now as it stands u wiĺl probs being running wall on some raid fights

[urban portal]

makes sense youll run wall for some fights

since you can get some sick timings with it

[jagged pier]

Well and the fact there is not blockable damage

[blazing condor]

Not blockable is cringe

[urban portal]

paintsmith weapon throw

dont have a leggo since running leaper

[jagged pier]

u can go look at the spreadsheet

i recommend not doing it tho

[teal swift]

@jagged pier

[jagged pier]

gm 👋

[teal swift]

Wordle 224 4/6

⬛🟨⬛⬛🟨
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🟩🟨🟨🟨🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

This some BS :(

@jagged pier how was your wordle 224?

[west walrus]

Good morning/afternoon/night everyone

[blazing condor]

Wordle 224 5/6

⬛🟨🟨⬛🟨
🟨🟩⬛🟨⬛
⬛🟩🟩⬛🟩
⬛🟩🟩🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[blazing condor]

👋 👋

[teal swift]

@blazing condor nice

Mine should've been 3/6

Hot unlucky

[blazing condor]

As long as its right in the end idrc when i get it

[teal swift]

I want good average

I havnt failed one yet :v

[jagged pier]

4/6

[teal swift]

Yay

[jagged pier]

yer i remebered the 3

🤷

[blazing condor]

Washed

[teal swift]

How much is reprisal if you suck

Also how much rage is wall with windfury due to extra devestator procs?

[strong forum]

at max 20%

if you suck with reprisal its obv less rage

[dawn canyon]

GM

[teal swift]

Morning phill

[dawn canyon]

[teal swift]

ily fren

[dawn canyon]

Luv ya too

[west walrus]

[mental scarab]

@strong forum reprisal ping Pong warrior leaping and charging all over the place then you turn your back to the mobs and get booty slap of death

[sweet summit]

<@&257983573498265600>

[stray wedge]

$pb 219441725431742464 spam

[true pawn]

Done.

[stray wedge]

ty

[sweet summit]

ty

[blazing condor]

do we thank Hymdall for purging or the user who reported

[teal swift]

The mod

[blazing condor]

the mod thanked himself? :0

[strong forum]

eyir cocks

[gilded tendon]

[teal swift]

@strong forum hi friend zoxo

[strong forum]

👋

[summer wing]

legendary boots on the ah on dead server 177k. was 166k lastw eek. and 144k the week before. my warrior is not my main so am skipping for this patch, although I wonder what the situation will be like next patch......

[strong forum]

235 will be good enough for a bit

👍

[blazing condor]

the optimist in me would say that new patch = more people playing = more competition on the AH = cheaper price overall

but i have no idea

[jagged pier]

KEKW

[blazing condor]

[mellow bridge]

playing on a dead server sucks

i always recommend transfering if youre not in a guild that is important to you

[blazing condor]

honestly just remove realms and faction locks by this point

[inland raft]

But muh rpg experience! My realm identity!

[signal plover]

for some fuckin' reason all my CE friends all decided that we're gonna one-night aotc raid in 9.2

so here we go again

[strong forum]

Meaning you plan to get aotc day1, or stop mythic raiding all together?

[signal plover]

meaning we haven't done shit in 9.1 cuz we folded on p3 of m sire

and now we reached critical mass to meme in heroic lol

i just been chillin in ffxiv

decided to come by and wrap myself in the comfortable blankets of yellow names in prot chat

[gray iris]

hey guys i struggle to get aggro in the opening...what should i do?

[sweet summit]

PAW RETURN?!?!?!

drop ravager prepull, charge avatar revenge

[gray iris]

oh damn

i drop ravager after charging

[sweet summit]

kinda wasted global

to do it after

[gray iris]

SOB?

Before or after?

[sweet summit]

it's almost a wasted gobal to use it once you're already in there

as it doesn't start ticking immediately

you want to pump revenges, they do loads of damage = loads of threat

[gray iris]

but i run out of rage for shield block lol

[dawn canyon]

tc also good if stuff is behind you

[sweet summit]

nothing should be behind you

[dawn canyon]

you should get loads of rage with proper use of reprisal

and keepin sslam on cooldown

[sweet summit]

well you don't have to use all your rage on revenge

[gray iris]

oh okay thanks guys

[sweet summit]

but getting those early 2-3 revenges will help a lot

as opposed to thunder clap and shield slam

[gray iris]

so ravager-sob-charge-revenge-slam-etc

[sweet summit]

i'd hold spear for when mobs are grouped

so you can hit all of them

[gray iris]

okay man thanks a lot..seems like i was making a rookie mistake

[dawn canyon]

what you can do is log your keys and check your rage generated/overcapped etc

[gray iris]

damage meter does the logging?

[mellow bridge]

nope

[dawn canyon]

thats another thing sadly

its "warcraftlogs"

[jagged pier]

🫂

[strong forum]

Spear is tiny so you want to use it after you already engaged to make sure to hit everything

So like

Ravager - charge + avatar - TC/Rev - spear

Then go from there

By the time you hit everything with spear it should be pretty much impossible to lose aggro

[ionic fern]

Welcome back.

[signal plover]

uwu

[sweet summit]

uwu

[signal plover]

[robust rover]

amdintel

[inland raft]

I like to throw my rav on top of roofs and doorways personally

[deft hinge]

i saw a spreadsheet made in this channel for reflectables, it says that on manastorms u cant reflect Buzz-saw, but block it. why do i hear whip-sound from reflect at the first hit from Buzz-saw?

[sweet summit]

u can deflect one application of the bleed

[deft hinge]

ahh yes ofc

[blazing condor]

still worth to spell reflect there

[distant crystal]

what's the biggest/most broken reflectable in shadowlands

like aspix from bfa

wait that was adderis right

[lofty widget]

last boss in top is the biggest i think?

[sweet summit]

probably reaping scythe for damage?

[jagged pier]

i member the day when i could reflect the whole of arcane missiles on mediveh

[sweet summit]

but you also have plaguestomp and agonize too which are quite valuable

[lofty widget]

agonize?

[sweet summit]

3rd boss sanguine aoe

[lofty widget]

oh right

[sweet summit]

doesn't do damage tho

[mellow bridge]

plaguestomp and scythe make me hard

[west walrus]

1st boss PF, 3rd HoA

[mellow bridge]

I think plaguestomp is overall more dmg than scythe

[agile pumice]

You can reflect plaguestomp?

[mellow bridge]

not uncommon to fight for 1st dps spot on tyra in high keys

[mellow bridge]

the dot yes

you still take the physical damage but you reflect the poison dot

[agile pumice]

Sick

[west walrus]

It does +/- 20% of your damage on the boss 🤓

Depends on length of the fight though

[mellow bridge]

mh

sadly cant find my log from 25 pf anymore

but in 23 tyra it was the third highest dmg source

dealt ~240k dmg, almost 6% of his life

[gray iris]

hey guys as a tank should i have high damage or any damage at all?

my damage taken was 2.0k and damage done was 2.5k for 4+

[ionic fern]

Should you do damage as a tank? Yes, as much as possible.

[strong forum]

Dmg taken is relative, depends on affix, healer, group, dps, key level, class

Way too many variables

Dmg done, as mwahi said, should be as high as you can get it without doing dumb stuff

[gray iris]

okay yeah...i do find impending victory really helpful

threw ravager before charging and the results are good

[strong forum]

Uhm

Don't play impending victory

Indomitable is much better once you play properly

[gray iris]

but it helps me when im close to dying lol...

but yeah, you are right

[waxen orbit]

Indomitable is going to almost always be your second top healing after IP when used properly in M+

It’ll be your top healing next to blood link in raid

Without fail

There’s no situation in which you should ever run anything except Indomitable. Even in PVP

[urban portal]

do people actually play tanks in pvp

[lofty widget]

in bgs no?

only trolls play tank in arena

and prot palas i guess

[blazing condor]

low level arena is fun for pwarr

at least was in 9.0 when i actually dabbled in it

[lofty widget]

was super fun in bfa with gushing wound

dmg+survivability of a tank with double intervene

[mellow bridge]

some tanks are good for bgs

as base holders/flag carries

[urban portal]

ye but in 2v2s

they are like unplayable right

ik prot isnt too bad for flags

cuz leaper

[mellow bridge]

in any real mmr

yea

[sweet summit]

TANKS DO NOT BELONG IN PVP

i will die on this hill

[modern brook]

no need

no ones fighting that

[modern brook]

there are def situations where iv has play

they're just very few

ie: if you only ever take large spikes of damage every 25s

idk the other option

its bad tho

Never surrender?

[blazing condor]

Not if youre doing high tyrannical Motherlode

[oblique garnet]

Wrong

[sweet summit]

shut up ur wrong

[oblique garnet]

Pvp is irrelevant and therefore it shouldnt matter

[sweet summit]

ok nvm that's true

[modern brook]

TUH RUUUUUUUUUUUUE

[sweet summit]

except for tier gear

🙃

[blazing condor]

Who cares

[sweet summit]

me

[modern brook]

i care cause erga cares

[lone eagle]

@urban portal late reply but

depends on the tank tbh

Guardian was pretty meta/viable in 3s for a lot of BFA

Good for DoT pressure and offhealing w/ resto affinity, + lots of damage redirection and reduction

[fringe oyster]

Should reprisal still go in legs? With 9.2 changes coming ?

[sick sentinel]

as long as u are not using rage for throwing revenges instead of having shieldblock uptime, tank dmg wont deplete a key but tank dying will

[oblique garnet]

Healers heal

If at this point youre 255 you wont run into many issues

[strong forum]

Dmg done, as mwahi said, should be as high as you can get it without doing dumb stuff

[sick sentinel]

ye ye

[waxen orbit]

Indomitable does the same purpose tho

Impending Victory is just playing worse blood DK

[modern brook]

nah

indom does a lot of hgealing over the course of a fight/30 minute ddungeon

if your only source of damage comes in every 30s

thhe talent is lke 90% overheal

theres just no fights like that in current content

or really ever

[waxen orbit]

Okay so

Why run a talent that overheals for 90% tho

Like I’m not trying to be a dick but I genuinely just can’t see any situation where it would beat out Indom in actual content

[waxen orbit]

Yeah I could read that I’m just asking like how it would mathematically beat it out

Nvm it don’t matter

[oblique garnet]

Its waste of rage

So never really worth it

[waxen orbit]

That GCD cost too for an ability that don’t even hit for a full Devastator proc

[wet pine]

whats the best way for prot to clear explosive?

[teal swift]

Autoattacks

Shield slam

Heroic throw

Charge

Telling your healer to do their fucking job

@wet pine

Hope that helps

[sick sentinel]

legit no point in wasting a global on an explosive

ur healer should do that

[waxen orbit]

Healer job primarily but if your healer needs help (somehow) then heroic throw/charge/auto attack

If you got a sub rogue those are also fantastic for gunning down explo at minimal DPS loss

[urban portal]

fury warrior and monks

2 best at doing explosives

[magic crag]

I just did a quick search and couldn't find info, is it likely prot stays kyrian next patch? What else would be worth leveling up

[teal swift]

Necro, kyrian, nightfae.

Are all worth leveling

[brazen nimbus]

yeah, wasting shadowdance seconds/globals and singletarget peak damage on a 500 life orb or Interrupting your complete funnel rotation is totally useful

[waxen orbit]

When did I say wasting shadowdance or major CDs on it lmao

[urban portal]

hes saying like

you dont wanna be casting shadowstrikes

during cds

[brazen nimbus]

a sub rogue is basically 80% in shadowdance...

[waxen orbit]

Obviously not, that’s when healer prio’s getting it @urban portal

[brazen nimbus]

he can do targeting and autoattacking while powderspamming....but thats not for what you bring a sub rogue

[teal swift]

Healerscan get al.ost all of them

[waxen orbit]

Sub rogue has wildly quick melee auto speed. If you got a sub rogue in your group and your healer ain’t getting it down, I’m just putting it out there that a sub rogue can take it out. Healer should be getting the majority but it’s a simple fact that sub can be mad efficient. Fury and WW are still best at getting explosive as DPS

Didn’t mean to step on your toes g

[teal swift]

Leave key and find new healer

[waxen orbit]

I mean based but lots of healers ain’t good at it so just being fully realistic

[brazen nimbus]

dude...sub is one of the worst for it, cause its working against his job and damage mechanics in higher keys to target low life things that are not effected by aoe attacks. outlaw is pretty good at it...yeah...but not sub. basically its anyways healer>tank> dps...cause dps have many other shit to do aside from damage...at least in keys above 20 where utility matters

[waxen orbit]

You can still focus your attacks on a lowlife target while tabbing to pop an explo every 15 seconds when healer needs someone to get one lol

DPS aren’t the only thing that have stuff to focus on in a key my man

Target explo, auto attack (because sub has mad quick auto attacks) on an explo, keep casting on your prio target

Not like targeting something different for one auto makes you entirely unable to cast anything on anything else in the dungeon

[brazen nimbus]

sub=funnelling evis on target=aoe spam and finish target...you dont want 10k evis on a orb when u switch. and u dont want meta snitch twink rogues that are powdering 24/7 for the overall...cause thats the only ones, that have their main target always "free".

[waxen orbit]

Ah, that's actually a fair point. Thinking about it a little more, sub rogue do be pretty heavy on prio and that's p much one of the major DPS that actually should fully steer on focus targeting and not divert their attention. I concede my point there. You actually make a good point

Reading back over what you said, you bring a valid point to the table. I concede there

[brazen nimbus]

i mean...before something explodes it should on everyone to take an eye on the orbs, no matter how good or bad a spec is with it. but its just not true that sub is a good choice for it. there are other dps that have to sacrifice much less. in the rogue part outlaw for example. if he switches to an orb, its cleaving to others anyways cause single target converts in aoe due to the aoe mechanic and he has with pistol shot a low cost/low damage range attack for distance. but there are much more good ones. shamans/moonkins are not bad too, a little shock/moonfire does the job at only the cost of a global

but i hope anyways, that the week is over soon ^^ raging and fortified just blasts me up...maybe im doin something wrong, but had a really hard time in halls this week. the 2 bigger pulls at the beginning and shard pulls just obliterated me. so much damage, and magic and and and....oof

[urban portal]

tiger palm is a dps up on low target cleave for monks

havoc loses 0 if they are playing the easy build

[teal swift]

Wordle 225 4/6

⬛🟨⬛⬛⬛
🟨🟨⬛⬛⬛
🟨🟩🟩🟩⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

@jagged pier

[jagged pier]

4/6

[blazing condor]

same

[gray iris]

guys what would you choose? Indomitable, impending victory or never surrender as a talent for mythic +?

with indomitable it makes sense to burst avatar and dem shout midway through the fight to burn rage using ravager...

im just new and experimenting

[jagged pier]

indom the other 2 are trash

[blazing condor]

always indom

[teal swift]

Always indom

[urban portal]

Never surrender is big ass

Impending victory has some value to it

[teal swift]

Only in extremely niche situstions

[brazen nimbus]

indom, its overall a very good sustain talent and has a lot of value cause of no gcd, no costs and just fits passive in your playstyle. one of a few situations in wow where a passive is the king choice, so why dont simply take this gift and grab our last little straw of selfhealing 😄

an especially in m+ it gets even better cause u generate much more rage than normal with the reprisal/charge playstyle, ravager and (if ur kyrian) the spear

[blazing condor]

its 2022 - still 🗓️ of the

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[gleaming nimbus]

hey guys, new here. is there somewhere in logs you can see what your spell reflect did? like if it did damage? i cant find it anywhere

[blazing condor]

but yeah tbh i guess necro is the play

granted we get 9.2 any time this year

[brazen nimbus]

its listed as spellreflect in the damage sources

[gleaming nimbus]

yea i cant find it. had 48 casts of it in SD and dont see anything it did

[strong forum]

in logs you would have to check the specific enemies dmg output

not your own

[gleaming nimbus]

i thought so

[strong forum]

on logs it doesnt show reflect as your own dmg

[gleaming nimbus]

easy way to find it, or dont even bother?

[strong forum]

dont bother

[gleaming nimbus]

ok

[brazen nimbus]

and just if it makes damage to mention...you can deflect with it too. So not every use is damage even if u evade something with it

[gleaming nimbus]

yea

[strong forum]

the only things worth reflecting in SD are animate weapons, if they go off, and then some random spells flying at you

[gleaming nimbus]

it was mainly outta curiousity

[strong forum]

thats the only things you can reflect there

[gleaming nimbus]

ok, thank you!

[strong forum]

rest is just making use of the magic DR

[gleaming nimbus]

btw, idk how the hell people keep shield block up >90%

[brazen nimbus]

tbh most uses end in deflects...sadly

[gleaming nimbus]

thats wild. im at 57%

[strong forum]

pressing buttons 👍

also dont look at raw block uptime

look at blocked hits of melee attacks

[blazing condor]

charging, intervening, pressing sb

[strong forum]

thats the closest thing to effective block uptime

[gleaming nimbus]

lol obviously. yea i know logs count travel time

[strong forum]

57% is really

really

low

i get to 69% without reprisal or a block talent

[blazing condor]

nice

[gleaming nimbus]

there was a few wipes. prot warriors my alt, feeling like im keeping it up but its like damn

[strong forum]

by just pressing SB you should get >>60%

reprisal adds another 20-25%

HR adds another 10-20%

[gleaming nimbus]

yea ive notice a few % increase since moving from the wall

2 wipes (in a 12, not tanks fault lol) but this is the first one ive checked. probably should look at a non wiped log

[strong forum]

i mean it should average out over the key

wipes or no wipes

shouldnt change anything

[blazing condor]

and you're checking blocked hits and not SB uptime overall

aka not the aura itself

the % is about effective uptime and actual % of hits blocked

[gleaming nimbus]

oh

[strong forum]

^

actual blocked melee hits

[gleaming nimbus]

oh, damage taken, then melee hits blocked?

[strong forum]

ye

[gleaming nimbus]

ok ill look at that

[jagged pier]

u want to hover over the hits column

not to the big middle column

[strong forum]

this thing

[gleaming nimbus]

ick...

not much better. 60%

[strong forum]

ya das low

[gleaming nimbus]

with reprisal

yea

[jagged pier]

should be 85%

[gleaming nimbus]

yea lol, different life than the life of a hunter

[blazing condor]

4% off @strong forum

[strong forum]

it was a top 5 dmg log

is ok

👍

[blazing condor]

👍

[strong forum]

kek, its still #21

this key was fucking 6 months ago

[jagged pier]

kek

[gleaming nimbus]

damn, looking at past logs its still low.... sigh..

[blazing condor]

thats the beauty of logs

[gleaming nimbus]

i feel like ive been doing all i can for it

[blazing condor]

now you can work and compare

[gleaming nimbus]

yea

ive mitigated 78% LOL

via parry and dodge too

rip

[strong forum]

mitigate is a weird metric

cuz like

ive never NOT seen it below 75%

[blazing condor]

does any passive mitigation factor into that

?

[gleaming nimbus]

ok, well at least im not below what youve never seen lol

thats a start

[strong forum]

like wtf is this

??

[blazing condor]

81% parry pog

[strong forum]

yeah

[blazing condor]

ez revenge value

[strong forum]

like how can i have mitigated 79%, when i blocked 81%

like what is the 100% there

[gleaming nimbus]

so tbh, i havent tanked with my warrior since cata. 2440 on my hunter so i have like "a resonable knowledge" of the game. but this keeping sb up is kickin my ass

[strong forum]

its the main thing to learn

[gleaming nimbus]

i often find myself with out it up and its still on CD

[strong forum]

next to "what does mob do"

[gleaming nimbus]

i think im over suing tbh

using

[strong forum]

ideally, you gotta keep charge, intervene and SB CDs rolling

all 3 of those

[gleaming nimbus]

like hitting both charges im saying

[strong forum]

can you link a log

then i can have a look

[gleaming nimbus]

yea ill link what i just ran

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KJ9vf2n1Myw6GXHR#fight=7&type=summary

@strong forum

[strong forum]

how the fuck

is TC your biggest dmg

[gleaming nimbus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[blazing condor]

LOL

thats actually impressive

[strong forum]

youre not pressing enough SS

youre pressing SS half as often as you should

same with revenge

youre never intervening

[gleaming nimbus]

yea, i noticed that this key. did one ealier that felt better. but still shittty

[jagged pier]

37 CPM 👀

2k wasted rage

👀

[strong forum]

youre not using Spear often enough

youre capping rage fuckloads

[gleaming nimbus]

i feel like im rage starving myself some how

tc?

[strong forum]

thunderclap

[gleaming nimbus]

yea

[brazen nimbus]

so, you telling us u are getting resonable knowledge by pressing wild spirits? interesting 🤔 🤪 *just a joke^^

[strong forum]

like this is what your casts look like

https://i.imgur.com/lRhaqx0.png

[gleaming nimbus]

kyrian hunter lol

[strong forum]

this is mine

[gleaming nimbus]

@brazen nimbus

[gleaming nimbus]

hmm little different lol

[blazing condor]

yeah pressing more buttons is a good start

[strong forum]

tiny bit

[blazing condor]

also running HR is a bit yucky

[strong forum]

youve wasted almost 20% of youre entire rage gain

by overcapping

[gleaming nimbus]

just doinjg that to keep my shit ass sb uptime up

[strong forum]

and youre not even generating enough

[blazing condor]

better to learn to get SB up properly than rely on training wheels

[gleaming nimbus]

valid

[blazing condor]

but if you just press charge and intervene more and press more buttons that'll take care of itself

should

rather

[brazen nimbus]

ah okay. but basically the same ^^ just another onetrick ability cries in rogue

[gleaming nimbus]

ok, so biggest improves; intervene and charge more, less tc, more ss

?

[blazing condor]

more casts in general, less rage waste

[strong forum]

more spears

like just as an example

in my 26min run i generated 12.4k rage
in your 37min run you generated 13.2k rage

[gleaming nimbus]

do yall macro last stand into something? i feel like im not using that near enough

[strong forum]

no

[gleaming nimbus]

ok

[strong forum]

treat last stand as a dps cooldown

cuz of the increased rage gen

👍

[gleaming nimbus]

alright, gonna make a few changes. figure some shit out. evaulate myself internally. figure out why my father left, then ill get back to you guys ive ive made inprovements

[strong forum]

sounds like a plan!

[blazing condor]

gotta make an apology vid on youtube

[gleaming nimbus]

lol, hey. i appriciate you guys critiquing me

[blazing condor]

best way to learn is to make mistakes and realize that you did

[gleaming nimbus]

some times hesitant to throw out how shitty i am on this dude. but i said fuck it, these guys and gals know better than ido

[strong forum]

best way to learn is do it correctly instantly

play new class
slap ass
refuse to elaborate
leave

[gleaming nimbus]

lol

[strong forum]

[gleaming nimbus]

thanks yall, goodnight!

[blazing condor]

how can i be bad if i believe i am the best????

[jagged pier]

like when i get asked why i do some much dps in keys

just leave

[dawn canyon]

tell em your spec sux and cant live 20 keys

ideally say that in something above 20

[blazing condor]

just say youre hacking

[dawn canyon]

wallhacking in mists :dandersoo

[gleaming nimbus]

last thing, any WA you guys use that you find helpful? i dont really like the bars and stuff that pops up on wago, but if its that helpful guess ill get used to it

[blazing condor]

i'm walling

[jagged pier]

no i say 'i just press buttons' then refuse to elaborate

[gleaming nimbus]

liek the generic stuff that pops up first when you click the class i mean

[blazing condor]

same kek

[tame jasper]

what key/level, so I could compare with mine?

[blazing condor]

getting a shield block WA is always helpful

[jagged pier]

15-17

[blazing condor]

other than that i just got generic WAs that track my buff uptimes and stuff

[jagged pier]

hes not running rep there tho

[gleaming nimbus]

ok, have some crappy sb bar i made my self. ill look for some stuff

[dawn canyon]

what do you need?

i can slap something together later today if you wanted to

[blazing condor]

how do i check any logs that im included in

and not personal logs

if i can

[gleaming nimbus]

you know what, let me fix what im messing up on now. and if i still feel like i need it ill let you know

[dawn canyon]

glhf

[gleaming nimbus]

thanks tho ❤️

[strong forum]

15

[dawn canyon]

no problem

[tame jasper]

hmm. aside the fact that I use intervene/charge not enough (i know what and I dont get it fixed) i cast revenge far more often then shield slam.

seems i need to change that too

[strong forum]

well depends on dungeon

[tame jasper]

every dungeon 😄

[strong forum]

as long as SS is around 10-12 CPM youre gucci

[gleaming nimbus]

oh! found a 15 pf i did with 61% blocked from ealier today! lol

[blazing condor]

17,5 cpm of revenge in mots

[strong forum]

mine is 13.2

and i only did 200dps less than you in that key

[blazing condor]

i had a lower average hit though

yeah

the HOA was way better

probably just missed all my revenges tbh

[strong forum]

i still had the highest cpm in those keys

[blazing condor]

[tame jasper]

ah okay, SS is mostly at 10 - 10.5, and revenge 10.5 - 11.5 in most dungeons

[strong forum]

[blazing condor]

true apm king

[strong forum]

thats perfectly fine

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

...pog?

[dawn canyon]

stone man death bomb

pogga

[tame jasper]

cant motivate myself to farm the last 20 lvl ^^

[strong forum]

dont need to

[jagged pier]

u can do 80 in less than a day

[strong forum]

58 is enough

imagine going for empowered conduits

on PWAR!!

[tame jasper]

I know, but I'm too lazy to do it, cause i wont play venthyr anyway ^^

the other 3 covs are of course 80

[ionic fern]

But at what cost tho...

[jagged pier]

My life

[blazing condor]

small price to pay for salvation