protection

[strong forum]

Threat in those 5 tank keys hasn't been an issue for me, I just didn't have it

[teal swift]

If your DPS are okay, you time key

[sick sentinel]

its like there is tons of times where timing and cofidenece at the same time are required

[teal swift]

No

[jagged pier]

TRUE

[mellow bridge]

I basically always never take the people that DM me on purpose ngl

just annoying

[sick sentinel]

you should wait till the red boy is near jar to pull example

[teal swift]

@mellow bridge that's you, It works for me

[strong forum]

When I apply to pugs I just type in "big dick"

Always works

[jagged pier]

if someone whispers me i legit insta decline cause i get a salty message back

[mellow bridge]

do you really think dming someone "yo im solid" will make them think that lmao

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/salty-cool-cooking-salt-stephen-curry-gif-16881754

[teal swift]

No, just charge and only pull one pack at s time

You don't need jar to kill it

Use shockwave to stun the masks

[strong forum]

And when I'm looking for pugs, I always put in "need big dick dps"

100% success rate

[teal swift]

Like I'm not lying to yku

Just charge into each pack use sb tclas shield slams and revenge spam

You'll time every 15 pretty quick

Like if you have your bars setup half way well

You can actually mash your keyboard

And time 15s

[jagged pier]

i sometimes just take low ios to carry them they need the kay far more than i do

[teal swift]

Jakey carry me on na

[strong forum]

Yeah like @ionic fern and me

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[jagged pier]

yus

[teal swift]

I wanna afk 10x keys a week

[strong forum]

I have a whopping 2060 score im mad gamer

[sick sentinel]

these are the buttons i have

[dawn canyon]

wave on b sus

[sick sentinel]

ST stun is G interupt is F

[dawn canyon]

the unfear on c is a bit weird but each to their own

[sick sentinel]

Heal is H

[strong forum]

T for autoattack

Very important

[sick sentinel]

t for taunt

[strong forum]

Ah that's a 7

[dawn canyon]

like that wep shouldnt be bound

[jagged pier]

NAH PLEASE

[blazing condor]

Big brain play is to not be good enough to pull aggro so you can get value from siegebreaker

[sick sentinel]

r for ranged attack

[jagged pier]

i didnt want to see that

[blazing condor]

Well i guess you still get value but

[strong forum]

Alt+f4 for Avatar for big dam

[blazing condor]

I have that on my PC’s ”off-button”

[sick sentinel]

nothing changed except dleted 2nd SR for scale

[dawn canyon]

well its never binds that make you deplete

[blazing condor]

You can most probably do a no-ui run

With no issues

Given you know your binds

[sick sentinel]

but like i saw someone that had execute on 1, dunno for 2 and 3 and then like, 4 SB 5 ShockW

the guy doing the stream

[dawn canyon]

binds dont matter

just press your buttons in the correct order

and timing

[ionic fern]

Speak for yourself. I'm big io now.

I did like 3 +20's one week by accident.

[strong forum]

🙇‍♂️

[jagged pier]

U only need this key

[strong forum]

3 w/e

[jagged pier]

Thats enough

[blazing condor]

3 pounds

[jagged pier]

Revenge ss sb

[sick sentinel]

clean

that

keyboar

[blazing condor]

🔑 🐗

[strong forum]

Dust is healthy

[blazing condor]

Wait til u hear about dust 2

That shit is toxic

[jagged pier]

Nothing wrong with dust

[strong forum]

Tanks eat it on the regular

[sick sentinel]

im pretty filthy and even my KB aint got that bad of dust

[strong forum]

[blazing condor]

Maybe it shouldve yogi

[strong forum]

Needs more gamer sweat

Clearly

[jagged pier]

if im not inhaling dust while pressing buttons i dont function

[ionic fern]

[blazing condor]

Copium but with dust

[jagged pier]

i mean its what u get when u like in a house thats like 200 years old

[strong forum]

When you thunderclap in game, you should be in a dustcloud irl

[jagged pier]

cant keep it clean

[sick sentinel]

i'm starting to be convinced that i have to put SB on 1-5

[strong forum]

Mine is on shift+4

So no

[blazing condor]

Mines on S aka 5 for me

[jagged pier]

mine is on alt+f4

[sick sentinel]

cuz, its always, always that complaint is a big recurring one i see

[ionic fern]

Hmm.
Wonder if i can do a +15 key without ever pressing SB

[blazing condor]

Yes

[strong forum]

Erga has done it

Multiple times

[jagged pier]

i do it on the regular

[ionic fern]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

How to one up it.

[jagged pier]

and someone the other day came in here with logs of it

[dawn canyon]

my SB is C

[blazing condor]

Without a shield

[ionic fern]

Just wear a 2h

[blazing condor]

Would be omega aids lmao

[ionic fern]

And do a +15

[ionic fern]

What logs?

[strong forum]

I think I remember

[ionic fern]

Logs of "Damn i just had this tank..he diddnt use SB once, please help him" and it was you?

[jagged pier]

oh i cant remeber who but some guy was like i feel squishy, looked at his logs didnt cast SB once

[strong forum]

It was another SB vs IP bullshit

[jagged pier]

in an entire raid

was just living off passive block

[ionic fern]

Pretending to be a paladin.

Smart.

[blazing condor]

Chad

No ss damage tho

Cringe

[ionic fern]

WHAT IF..no Revenge.

Or IP

So you sit at 100 rage all the time

[blazing condor]

Do a alt+z run

No wa/addons/ui

[ionic fern]

First person.

[blazing condor]

Yuck

Youd be the first and last

[jagged pier]

like the guys in alpha?

might be a stuggle

[ionic fern]

YES.

[sick sentinel]

alt z

and if you die

your FUCKIN DEAD

forever

all your gear is de'd

and those shards and dust destoryed

iron man mode shit

[teal swift]

Wear 2h and pretend you're a bdk

You can still tike.15s

[sick sentinel]

have to take IV for that

deathstrike lite

to add to this, you don't press ignore pain because you don't even know what pain is

[ionic fern]

Seems about right.

1.1 pm.

[sick sentinel]

no idea what im looking at but im lookin at it

[ionic fern]

CPM in a Mists.

[sick sentinel]

your cpm?

[ionic fern]

Yesh

[sick sentinel]

i typed in 9.1.5 prot warrior rotation and i found this as first result https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_ZoX6FTz1k dunno if its good but im gunna check it out

just looks like wall of text if i look at it on wowhead, need audio/visual

[strong forum]

Yes marcelian does a good job

[sick sentinel]

its really the rotation that i don't understand

i know what they are

[ionic fern]

It's more of a priority list.

[lime urchin]

Wait

We do a rotation?

[dawn canyon]

we do revenj and ss

[stable cradle]

Yeah screw reading just wanna see zug slaps

[blazing condor]

Bigger question is are yall working on ur strength irl as well as in game?

Science has showed the harder u can press buttons the more dmg you do

[strong forum]

I do manual labor as a job, that counts for something

? I think

[normal zinc]

🙅

[west walrus]

If only we could revenj irl

[blazing condor]

Took me two years to get back into the gym.

Gotta get my main stat up

[mellow bridge]

just did a key

I felt so alive not having to worry about sanguine and storming

[distant crystal]

gonna take 2-3 keys before the PTSD is gone and I stop trying to move the pack away from a dying mob

[sullen valve]

You're a 10/1 not a 1.1

[mellow bridge]

otoh

raging fort ptsd is kicking in

monkaS

[blazing condor]

fort + raging + bolstering pog

[distant crystal]

raging is a lil spicy

just gotta save some stops for the end of pulls

[zealous epoch]

is The Wall still relevant for Raid?

[blazing condor]

its good on Sylv

and can be good on Eye but that's about it

[zealous epoch]

i have Reprisal already, and getting ready for 9.2

so figuring out what leggoes i should have or at least have the mats for

[distant crystal]

necrolord wall is the PTR hotness right now right

[sweet summit]

same situation as live

reprisal for block

the wall for wall

both have banner hack uptime

[sick sentinel]

or, you can troll people by using the permanent cosmetic banner buff

does look cool i guess

[jagged pier]

its looks like u may actually use the wall on some fights next tier

[distant crystal]

I didn't realize that you gave other ppl lil banners on their back

[jagged pier]

and u use it for some fights now

[distant crystal]

when you buff them

I was doing sylv Monday and noticed some green glowiness and a banner on my druid's back

[jagged pier]

there is also just another spell that puts a banner on your back

[zealous epoch]

So Wall, Reprisal and the Unity leggo is really all I’ll need?

[distant crystal]

p much

seismic for pumping low keys

leaper for...leaping

[blazing condor]

ppHop

[zealous epoch]

low keys meaning 15 and below?

[distant crystal]

ya, or just keys that your group overgears

or really, just you overgear

you lose big defensive value from reprisal in exchange for big 5 digit dam potential

[hardy ridge]

Is vers higher prio in m+? Top tanks seem to all be enchanting and socketing it

[zealous epoch]

Kk cool

I’ll add it to my list

[sick sentinel]

haste and then split between versa and crit

almost never mastery

[hardy ridge]

Seems like top tanks on raiderio and socketing and ehcnating vers over haste

[lofty widget]

that's because theyre doing the highest keys

[blazing condor]

thats because they need it for the level of keys theyre doing

[jagged pier]

are u doing 25s?

[blazing condor]

if youre doing anything <25 then your stats dont matter at all

[lofty widget]

dont need vers for 15 20s even 25s

[sick sentinel]

im really not going to get into it

but its because, and only because, they are doing 25's

and they literal get 1 shot by mechanics basic mechanics

[blazing condor]

pwarr is 99% playstyle-dependant

[hardy ridge]

Not yet but im working my way there slowly

[sick sentinel]

and its a requirement for the tank to stack versa to not get 1 shot

[jagged pier]

so u do not need vers

[sick sentinel]

so, up to a 23 key even you can do whatever you want and it wont make a difference if you are like me and play poorly

[jagged pier]

the only reason they run vers is that at the high 20s that extra 2% damage reduction MAY help u live a missed inturpt

thats basically it

[sick sentinel]

i am the poster child for play bad, do bad

in this discord

[hardy ridge]

That makes sense, thank you

[sick sentinel]

best keys i have ever done was a 2 chest on 16 junk, and a 1 chest on 16 dos

i find 15 keys to be incredibly difficult, maybe not incredibly, but pushing the limits of what i feel i can do.

[hardy ridge]

So if nothing would threaten to 1shot you haste would be more desirable for high keys?

[sick sentinel]

you always want haste regardless

always

but you aren't forced to play with full versa/haste at a 19 for example

[jagged pier]

u want ilvl

stats mean very little they probably contribute .5% at most to your survivability

the only thing u drop ilvl on are rings and neck because they dont have main stat

[hardy ridge]

Yeah for sure

Was just curious as to why high rated players were enchanting vers

[sick sentinel]

takes me to a 230 blue, which is sorta feels bad mans

[hardy ridge]

Since im gonna start pushing past 20s

[sick sentinel]

at the point at which the tank, the guy designed to be taking the hits has basic abilities hit me for 90% of life bar, nope

[hardy ridge]

Take less damage 4head

[west walrus]

If you lose 90% hp in one hit, someone did something wrong

[hardy ridge]

Tfw you dont have shieldblock for .1sec during fort raging

[sick sentinel]

it saying at at like +25 key where a monster does a heroic strike for 130k base, and the guy beside him does a cleave for 80k base

will never catch me in a key like that

never ever

[hardy ridge]

Rotate ur 2 defensive trinkets and wall with healer dr

[distant crystal]

screenshotting

[hardy ridge]

And kite if you have nothing

[distant crystal]

gonna rub that in your face in a couple years when you're pushin 30s

[hardy ridge]

XD

[distant crystal]

we'll all have a good chuckle

[blazing condor]

in 12.3

[sick sentinel]

well, okay, if we have +30's to +100's sure

[hardy ridge]

Ill hit you up when that happens ahaha

[jagged pier]

like the game will still be alive in a few years KEKW

[distant crystal]

shiiit Microsoft owns us now we'll live forever

[sick sentinel]

that could be fun, if you had a legitimate +48 but it was calculated as say a +22 now, and if you 3 chest key you get like 7 levels to it

[blazing condor]

it will only be playable on the Zune

[sick sentinel]

broooo, u wanna to this [m+ keystone: waycrest manor +72]

[west walrus]

No way I come back there

[ivory elbow]

help a brother out

[waxen orbit]

Belt

Maybe the mast cloak for ilvl but mastery is straight up doodoo

[strong forum]

fucking rip lol

id pick cloak cuz i would refuse to wear that belt

and is 1more str upgrade over belt

and you dont lose 74 haste

only lose 25haste

[blazing condor]

Id take cloak

Make ilvl number go higher

And u also get more strength

[teal swift]

Most important

Morning friends.

@blazing condor @strong forum @waxen orbit @jagged pier @wicked whale @dawn canyon

[dawn canyon]

we have reverse sleep schedules, im boutta go to bed

[wicked whale]

i am summoned to a cursed channel

[ocean reef]

Morning?

It's midnight

[blazing condor]

Yea im going bed now

Hi an n

[dawn canyon]

I love this Screenshot

n friends

[blazing condor]

[patent osprey]

gn

[teal swift]

Gn friends, I just got bloodwork

Zzzzz

[teal swift]

I hate that half of you are eu

So you go to bed when I wake

:(

[rocky hazel]

move to eu, problem fixed.

xD

[teal swift]

I'd like to

[chilly brook]

I’ll stay in the US

[teal swift]

Na is cringe

[chilly brook]

So you think I'm cringe? Yeeeesh

[teal swift]

We both are

[chilly brook]

Not cool

[waxen orbit]

NA do be pretty cringe

Saying this as NA

[teal swift]

Morningqt

[cinder pasture]

As EU, I agree 👀

[ivory elbow]

xD what about the trinket

[sweet summit]

🙅‍♂️

[balmy narwhal]

For mythic sylvanas, at how many stacks for goliath do we ask the dps to taunt it?

[mellow bridge]

Uh

Not at all usually?

[ocean reef]

🤷‍♂️

I got asked to taunt after like 15~ sec on 1st platform

Typically a bit after veil finished

Probably wasn't needed at all

But did it because I didn't need DBTS anyway

[ocean yoke]

Didn't really need it but I had someone do it at 13-15 or so. Partially just so our ret could pop his shield lol

[mellow bridge]

Honestly it doesn't sound like a dumb idea

Just ask for it w/e you feel like you're starting to take a lot of dmg

[unkempt narwhal]

Hey guys, any prot warriors that are streaming atm?

would like to see some more about the gameplay

[patent osprey]

Believe @strong forum streams and Sense does sometimes ^.^

[modern brook]

And only them right plka?

:^))

[sick sentinel]

I don't think there are many players streaming it right now or in general

Literal worst for both m+ and raid all expansion, our damage hits like stryfoam noodles

[fading dirge]

I stream, mostly to review my gameplay cause it’s only guildies who watch anyways lol

[sick sentinel]

Same minus guildies

And I talk in this channel like they are guild

[west turtle]

guys, which slot is the best to build the m+ legendary at the moment? boots rights?

[trim bay]

i stream for kanye

[west turtle]

Considering tier sets slots

[sick sentinel]

For any years in wow played a ghildless dwarf roguedoi g lfd and lfr

[verbal ledge]

This is so not True...nothing beats a kyrian prot warr in m+ when it comes to dps, change my mind

[mellow bridge]

If you're playing reprisal, that's not true 🤷‍♂️

We do more than bdk and guardian tho

VDH does more but has to kite more so in the end it kinda evens out

[oblique garnet]

Even with reprisal we beat the other tanks

[oblique garnet]

And kyrian prot is worse than NF prot

[urban portal]

Prot pals are doing almost dps levels of damage on st while being extremely good in aoe

Brew is also up there with hot legs leggo

[verbal ledge]

Not in m+, definetly not

[oblique garnet]

Yes in m+ especially in m+

Korayn existing is just ridiculous

[verbal ledge]

I would like to see that on a real comparison. I can tell you from my personal experience, that i go through mists/halls/nw with like 9.5k overall as kyrian and lets say 7k overall as NF

[urban portal]

m+ has too much feelycraft to say either way

[blazing condor]

Nf is definitely better if compared

But i mean each to their own i probably play kyrian better than nf

Doesnt mean its right tho

[oblique garnet]

If your numbers as NF are that low youre not utilizing first strike properly

[urban portal]

like trying to get more first strike uptime by saving a couple mobs for later?

[verbal ledge]

"using first strike properly" -> Charge in, TC -> no more first strike available

[urban portal]

why would you ever tc first

[oblique garnet]

Get new targets chain your first strikes

[urban portal]

and it would be revenge AA revenge revenge

why would you ever tc within like first 7 globals

unless you need the slow right there

[strong forum]

Threat

[verbal ledge]

this

[strong forum]

The first initial global can easily make it so they go after your healer or an ambitious dps

[urban portal]

Does tc have a high threat modifier?

Yeah but why not just revenge

[strong forum]

No but you can't guarantee to hit all mobs

[verbal ledge]

Also Conduit? TC enhances revenge damage?

[strong forum]

It's much easier with TC

[oblique garnet]

That conduit is bad

[urban portal]

That conduit is ass

And it's revenge enhances tc

Not TC enhances revenge

You wish it was

[strong forum]

TC is 360° in a big area that's the main reason why it's better for threat on the very first global

Cuz mobs aren't close enough in base position

[verbal ledge]

you are right

[strong forum]

That way you ensure getting more than 0 threat on all targets instantly

[urban portal]

Isn't that what ravager is for

[strong forum]

Only works if you again, hit all targets

Ravager is also pretty small

Healers instantly have some form of healing ticking in 1 way or another

Can be lethal for a healer if you just happen to not have had 1 hit on that 1 mob

[urban portal]

TC is not that big either if you take leap cd instead of TC talent

[strong forum]

8yards is massive

[urban portal]

And if your healer is in melee range in first global they trolling

[verbal ledge]

Well, to each their own ...the topic was "Warr does silly damage in m+ as a tank" which in my opinion ist just not true, be it NF or Kyr, doesnt matter but warr pulls pretty decent numbers overall

in m+ that is

[strong forum]

It does OK dmg

[urban portal]

It's medium

[strong forum]

In line with other tanks

Guardian and bdk do less

[cinder dirge]

prot warrior does deal above average dmg tho

[urban portal]

Prot pal is absurd dam

[strong forum]

Monk does more

[urban portal]

Monk more

[strong forum]

Prot pal is the same dmg as pwar

[urban portal]

I'm more thinking raid

[strong forum]

But we arent

[cinder dirge]

I mean idk for you but personally i'm sitting around 7 to 8k dps in mythic +

[strong forum]

Ye thats normal for a tank

[urban portal]

I think most ppl are

[cinder dirge]

guardian, dk are below that

[strong forum]

If you do less than that you're a either a guardian/bdk, undergeard or playing bad

Yes

As I've said

[cinder dirge]

Monk is an absolute monster in ST but in aoe ??? idk

[strong forum]

Monk does on average 1k more in m+ than any other tank

[urban portal]

Monk with flaming legs

Is gross

Even with just keg they do good dam

[strong forum]

Vdh, pally and war do around the same

[cinder dirge]

ye idk.. Feel like dk and guardian are definetly in the sewer with monk in the middle and vdh pally and war above.
I never saw a brew crushing in AoE like those 3. But holy sh*t this ST is crazy.

[urban portal]

the top pally on logs for m+ is doing 1k more than the top war

at 2 higher key level

with a 2 minute longer dungeon

[blazing condor]

well we all know damage scales with key level

[urban portal]

on mists and thats prot wars best dung

[cinder dirge]

hardly comparable when it comes to highest key

[urban portal]

you use the highest key to filter out 11k dps playing seismic in 15s

which is most of us here

[strong forum]

In mists most pusher do 7-8k dmg

That's fact

Low keys vdh will dominate cuz spb

[urban portal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/25#leaderboards=1&class=Tanks&metric=dps

this is a decent metric

[oblique garnet]

🤔

[blazing condor]

pwarr #1 all stars meaning pwarr is best confirmed

[urban portal]

that guy plays well for sure

[oblique garnet]

Prot warr even with reprisal should beat the other tanks in m+ damage

[blazing condor]

how come if you filter on all levels it just shows highest key even when filtered for damage?

there's no "this is the highest someone has done for this dg on any level"

[urban portal]

likely because they dont want people padding 2s

[blazing condor]

thats why you can filter on other keylevels

[urban portal]

cuz you asked for it

[blazing condor]

i dont really see the downside of having it included as well

[urban portal]

they just dont want the top leader board consists of 2s

[oblique garnet]

Dont you have to log keys for the damage to show?

Who does that

[urban portal]

the chinese

apparently

[blazing condor]

not be that guy but dps is way lower on 2s

[urban portal]

ye i noticed

[blazing condor]

id imagine 15s are where the highest is

[urban portal]

but we can probably all walk into 2s

and pull massive

[blazing condor]

also nothing wrong with logging keys Late

not that i do it but it's a good resource

[urban portal]

it is

but gets cumbersome

if you are a giga pusher then you probably run too many failed keys

and have to sift through them

and if you arent a giga pusher you dont give enough of a shit

[oblique garnet]

You can tell where something went wrong instantly the higher the keys go

Doesnt need much log reviewing

[urban portal]

that too

its not going to be like some minor shield block uptime issue

its gonna be like

we missed 3 kicks

time to run it back

[oblique garnet]

Pretty much

Having vods is way more efficient way of reviewing m+

[urban portal]

however i wonder why so many chinese log keys

[blazing condor]

chinese gamers are just better

nah idk they just gamin

[urban portal]

maybe there are just more chinese wow players

[strong forum]

Most tanks can easily break 10k in mists

[urban portal]

and therefore even if 1% upload its still gonna be more than 10% of us

idk the exact numbers but you get my point

i still find it cringe that logs dps is always <details dps

[strong forum]

Not true actually

I've had multiple logs where my active dps in logs was higher than on details

:haha:

[blazing condor]

hehe

[urban portal]

yeah active dps

im just saying the displayed dps

[strong forum]

Ofc active dps???

What else would you look at

[urban portal]

i hate having to hover over it to see the actual dps

especially when i skim through logs

sometimes i forget and i think "how is this guy only doing 8k on havoc"

[strong forum]

Always check active

[urban portal]

they should just display active dps

ngl

[strong forum]

Especially funny given that my details dps on my 210 havoc was 6k

But active dps on logs was 7.5k

[urban portal]

thats probably deaths right

since details stop counting on deaths

[strong forum]

Na didn't die

Like, logs also check on the ranking for active dps iirc

Cuz I was on a higher ranking than some sm1 else but my shown dps was lower, but my active was like 200 higher

[oblique garnet]

Shouldnt be that way since details only shows damage done during combat

So logs shouldnt be higher

[strong forum]

I distinctly remember doing 6k in that key

[urban portal]

the only way i can think of is deaths

[strong forum]

But logs say 7.5k

[urban portal]

but idk

i find this kinda funny

the 3 bottom tanks have the easiest time with explosive

[strong forum]

This just scraps highest key done

[urban portal]

ye

ik

im just making my observation

like all the bottom tanks have an easy time with explosive

[strong forum]

Eh vdh sucks big time

[oblique garnet]

Isnt guardian good at killing explos with moonfire

[strong forum]

For explosive

[urban portal]

dh is fine

[blazing condor]

tbh we dont really have an easy time with explosives

[urban portal]

throw glaive doesnt have a minimum range

[blazing condor]

unless we're in range to use HT

we only really got SS

[urban portal]

they dont care who they fracture

[oblique garnet]

Explosives is a healer affix anyways

[strong forum]

^

[urban portal]

so true

[strong forum]

It literally is

Ever since they're 1hit it's healer job

No excuse

It used to be firemage in legion
Rogue in bfa

Now it's healer

[blazing condor]

infinite victory rush procs in bfa

[urban portal]

was it 1 hit back in bfa?

[blazing condor]

nop

[strong forum]

No

[urban portal]

i was going to say

just keep vr on the bombs

[blazing condor]

but it wasn't exactly beefy either

[urban portal]

and infinite healing

im assuming you cant kill it with 1 vr

[strong forum]

VR stopped working in 8.2

From explosives

[urban portal]

dies from cringe

[strong forum]

Maybe 8.1 even

[urban portal]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[jagged pier]

that was sad times

[strong forum]

We were told it was a bug by a gm

And that was the end of it

Nothing more ever happened

[jagged pier]

[oblique garnet]

8.2 it stopped giving soulshards for warlocks from shadowburn

Then it randomly gave shards during SL

For 9.0

Now it doesnt

[jagged pier]

strange bug that

🤔

[teal swift]

Hi everyone

for yall

[jagged pier]

gm

[ionic fern]

[hazy sinew]

how prot warr deals with explo? aren't we just have shield slam for that?

[jagged pier]

melee

u dont save SS for it

its not a tank job anyway

[teal swift]

Healer job

Or if you're Chad, charge them when they at range

[jagged pier]

u can Heroic throw them if they are far enough awya

[hazy sinew]

i know that's kinda not tank's job. just curious about "3 bottom tank have easy time with explosive"

i just found it hard to use heroic throw and charge on them (yes, im a bad player)

[ionic fern]

SS (not advised), Heroic Throw, AA

That's about it.

[blazing condor]

Spear doesnt do shit right

If by coincidence the spear hits an explosive

[vocal geode]

you only kill explosive if you actually target it anyways

you cant aoe it

[teal swift]

Iirc you can target it hit revenge and it'll die

But it's been a while 💦

[sweet summit]

you can not

[teal swift]

Ignore that then lmao

Prolly autod jt

[urban portal]

Id imagine based on the coding, if protect did x+1 dmasge to primary target it could kill the orb

[strong forum]

You can only hit explosive when targeting them and cleave off of them, revenge and TC doesn't hit it even if you target the explosive

You can't cleave onto explosives, only off of explosives with say icelance, sweeping strikes etc

[blazing condor]

Imagine if all aoe actually killed explosive

What a fuckin non-affix

[gray iris]

hey guys how do you generate enough threat in the opening pull

[ionic fern]

Charge->Revenge

Done.

[blazing condor]

Pre cast rav > charge

[cloud spire]

Guys is there any point of using whirlwind over revenge?

[blazing condor]

Avatar mid charge as well for pumps

[ionic fern]

No.

Don't even bring it to your bars.

[cloud spire]

👍

[teal swift]

@ionic fern have you build API for bone grinder

With ravager?

On prot?

[ionic fern]

No, i haven't dealt with APL for a long-long time.

[teal swift]

I feel like ww might be viable with that conduit

And big pulls

[ionic fern]

It is viable.

But it's horrible.

🙂

[teal swift]

Idk, lmk how come

[ionic fern]

And in any real scenario where it might be viable there are things that can mess it up.
It requires you to pool rage for after Ravager ends but this in turn means you can't SB/IP and just sit there mindlessly either overcapping Rage or wasting a potential WW.

I think @jagged pier played it in a key once or twice.

[teal swift]

Ah ok

Thanks for i fo!

I tested on dummies then never wanted to track it

So I said no LOL

[sweet summit]

it feels like shit

[teal swift]

Hi nomer and erga

Hugs for you both

[jagged pier]

its gross to use

[blazing condor]

Really grinds You to your bones

Or something

[strong forum]

Hi

[jagged pier]

Hi

[teal swift]

Hi

[lime urchin]

plka also experimented with it on his stream, but I dont think he was very positive about it either

[teal swift]

@patent osprey would love to hear your thoughts as well

[stuck rock]

Hey is it normal for me to feel so squishy with prot, ive been playing all the tanks and prot and brew seems to be really weak tanking wise. I struggle to survive in some pulls in 12-13 keys with my warrior when I can easily tank an 18 with my prot paladin with the same ilvl and without even being close to dying, I can tank 15s with a 200 ilvl dh but I cant deal with a 13 with brew or prot warrior meanwhile I feel unkillable on all the other tanks. Im not a newbie to tanking (pushing 22s with my druid) but i really want to play warrior for 9.2 but i feel so weak its frustating. Im running reprisal lego and trying to keep shieldblock up as much as possible but im getting melted. Does it get better with gear or am I just that bad?

[jagged pier]

your playing both brew and prot wrong if u feel squishy

[ionic fern]

More than likely class knowledge issue jep.

We are definitely not squishy, especially if running Reprisal.

Do you have any logs?

[stuck rock]

No I dont have any logs unfortunately. Ive read plenty of guides and in theory I shouldnt be misplaying as bad thats why im confused

[ionic fern]

In a lot of cases the "i keep SB up" will actually turn out to be "i think i keep SB up" cause logs show some abmyssal low blocked hits %.

[jagged pier]

76% unblocked hits

[ionic fern]

😂

[stuck rock]

Could be the case, I dont have logs so I cant say

[jagged pier]

then do this
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :

🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)

Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.

🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.

🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.

If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8

[strong forum]

We've done several +15-17s in a group of 5 pwars on necrotic and on grievous weeks so you defo shouldn't feel weak

[ionic fern]

But without logs we can't really give you any adequate feedback.
Generic feedback that we can provide...
More often than not it's usually a mix of:
-Low SB up-time
-A lot of wasted rage
-Prioritising IP over SB
-Not pressing your rotational buttons enough so you have less rage to go around and use
-Not using your defensive CD's

Preferably follow Jakey's logging advise and come back with a log so we can see what's going wrong.

[blazing condor]

[stuck rock]

Its mb for not having logs I just needed to say it somewhere hahah

Happens with brew aswell

[ionic fern]

Maybe someone else has logged the runs tho?

[stuck rock]

Thanks for the links

[ionic fern]

So you might actually have some logs already.

What's your character name?

[stuck rock]

Turglup

Let me see

[ionic fern]

Nope, no logs. 😦

[strong forum]

Brew and pwar are those 2 tanks that aren't as on the nose I think when it comes to survivability

But could just be copium

Cuz brew in low content straight up sucks ass

[jagged pier]

^^

[teal swift]

Prot feels squishy on eye

[stuck rock]

How so?

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[strong forum]

You don't take enough dmg to benefit from stagger and purify

[stuck rock]

They are the only ones that dont really self heal

[teal swift]

Yes

You can't block that shit

1 reflect every 25s

[jagged pier]

u straight up mitigate deathlink by over 50% without doing anything

[teal swift]

The intermissions is the rough part

Not the boss itself

[jagged pier]

no

[teal swift]

Yes

[jagged pier]

no

[strong forum]

Brew needs to take actual dmg to be able to purify good parts

And prot requires ilvl

[teal swift]

Yes x100

[jagged pier]

then your playing wrong yuzu

its the second boss of tier

its literally piss

[teal swift]

I ended up swapping

[strong forum]

Brew does self heal with the essence thingy

[teal swift]

To bdk

[teal swift]

Healers couldn't heal

:(

[stuck rock]

But is shit compared to every other tank

[strong forum]

Eeeh

No

[jagged pier]

thats not a class problem

[teal swift]

Our first kill we had like 11 staxks

But fr, warrior is prolly hardest for the fight

[jagged pier]

thats a dps problem

[teal swift]

Out of all the tanks, still viable

[jagged pier]

like if your getting 11 stacks your phasing too slowly

[teal swift]

Yep

Was fucking misery

It's on farm now

[jagged pier]

no brew is busted if u know how to play it

[stuck rock]

I meant self heals

[jagged pier]

literally went into slyv mythic on it yesterday undergeared with no tank trinkets

[teal swift]

What

[jagged pier]

and was fine

[stuck rock]

Never said brew was bad

[teal swift]

BrM is literally #1 tank in the game

[jagged pier]

yer

self healing

is busted

[teal swift]

For raiding

Fucking remove stagger

[jagged pier]

that would make brew useless

[teal swift]

Redesign

It's too strong still

It'd be nice

[jagged pier]

its not even strong now

and wasnt in season 1

next tier however

[ionic fern]

Tank balance is gooooood.

Don't @ me.

[jagged pier]

@ionic fern

[teal swift]

Buff warrior Nerf monk

@ionic fern hugsssss

[ionic fern]

I'm really not a hugger, sorry.

[brittle owl]

tbh just delete monk

[stuck rock]

You get big heals as brew if you save orbs but thats it, you dont really have much control over your hp (in the sese of recovering lost hp,not mitigation)

[teal swift]

Fist bump then 🤜

[ionic fern]

Lemme re-phrase.
I'm really not a peoples person.

[strong forum]

Fuck people

[teal swift]

:(

[brittle owl]

fuck you

[strong forum]

Yeah

[brittle owl]

😳

[strong forum]

[blazing condor]

We can tell by the orange name

[brittle owl]

new emote poggies

[jagged pier]

been around for a while

[brittle owl]

jokes on you i only just saw it

[teal swift]

Hug me tho

[brittle owl]

so it's still novel for me

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

Huh, there are new ones.

Weird.

There has to be a point where we just go global with emojis..right?

👀

[brittle owl]

only really weird thing is

global stickers? ✅

global emotes? ❌

[ionic fern]

[brittle owl]

don't get mad now that the hipocrisy is out

[blazing condor]

I kinda like not having global emotes

Gotta make use of the emotes we got yknow

Our own little sub-culture of emote-speak

[brittle owl]

that's a very cute rationalization

much

[blazing condor]

No cope

I dont even have nitro

So i wouldnt be able to use global anyways

[teal swift]

Me too

[strong forum]

Snaeling is from FFhold takeover from endwalker launch

So also a few months old

Get with the times old man

[dawn canyon]

This server could do with a non gif keksquad for us plebs

[ionic fern]

[sick sentinel]

Gross, ff14

[dawn canyon]

GM yuzu

[blazing condor]

Any kekkers

[strong forum]

Okay mwahi proposition

[sick sentinel]

Puke

[dawn canyon]

Good game apparently 🤷

[sick sentinel]

I have a story about ff14, I tried it shortly after bald man tried it, made it to lv 14 never
Looked back

That's my story

[stuck rock]

[teal swift]

@dawn canyon morning friend

🍌

[dawn canyon]

:headpat:

[sick sentinel]

Like literal as far as I got was it told me to do some tutorial combats and then there was a mission 9n a hill path, so,me objective, gave that like 2 chances lol

[waxen root]

Sorry, boring and probably frequently answered question - what's the optimal opener on a large M+ pull? Do we just follow the priority? I play most the tanks and warr always feels the most frantic on pull with the number of buttons you've gotta mash to get into the flow

[ocean reef]

FF is good if you like that kind of game

It's not for everyone

[sick sentinel]

Wow is a really bad game can't lie

But ff14 is worser

[ocean reef]

Bit of an apples to oranges comparison
(Not gonna take it further since important wow stuff happening now )

[strong forum]

Ravager -> charge + avatar -> TC/Rev -> spear/AA -> spam revenge when overloading with rage

Otherwise keep SS on CD
Keep TC on CD

Throw in an SB as needed
Throw in IP to avoid rage capping every now and again

[waxen root]

Is that TC or Rev, or both? (I'm using reprisal so I'm assuming rev)

[strong forum]

I like TC first cuz it hits in a bigger radius first

[waxen root]

Tyvm btw - super handy

[strong forum]

So once mobs are stacked up revenge

[waxen root]

Aye I was thinking that - revenge seems a bit fiddly especially for the further away mobs

Cheers!

No demo shout on pull?

I normally find myself going ravager -> charge + avatar (+ blood fury + trinket) -> demo shout -> TC/Rev -> Spear

Because damage

[dawn canyon]

TC isnt just a frontal cone and rev is

So tc on pull helps grab everything

[blazing condor]

demo shout isn't really worth it unless you play Booming Voice (which you shouldn't if you run reprisal)

if you run BSC instead demo shout will just give you DR

[dawn canyon]

Then waddle backwards and revenj

[waxen root]

Oh shit I totally didn't realise you shouldn't play booming with reprisal

No wonder

[blazing condor]

you run BV on single target but for m+ BSC is big pump

[waxen root]

Aaaaaaah that's gonna help for sure, thanks

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

@strong forum

[ocean reef]

[strong forum]

Awesome

Finally we can be happy in this discord

[ocean reef]

[blazing condor]

😹

any keksers

[strong forum]

Keks = cookie in german

It's perfect

[blazing condor]

cookie is kaka here

[strong forum]

Hol up

[blazing condor]

but we also have kex

[ocean reef]

Kage

[strong forum]

Are you saying cookies are kaka, or kaka means cookie

[blazing condor]

kaka means cookie

[ocean reef]

Poopoo kaka?

[blazing condor]

kex means biscuit

[ionic fern]

Küpsis = cookie.

[strong forum]

Do you want to have kex baby

[ocean reef]

[blazing condor]

[blazing condor]

is the ü pronounced the same as in german

[strong forum]

I assume so

[ionic fern]

No idea how it's pronounced in german.

[strong forum]

Like ü

[brittle owl]

ü

wait is new

[blazing condor]

he doesnt know

[ionic fern]

Yes, ü is pronounced like ü.

[dawn canyon]

As ü

[brittle owl]

[dawn canyon]

Duh

[sick sentinel]

i was reading online how trump has the documents from tesla how to make a time machine, and that he may or may not be the ancient frog god KEK, sent to do ?????

seemed legit

[blazing condor]

too much degen 4chan cringe

comment rejected

[sick sentinel]

i never actually stated where it was from, but good eye

seems like the type of thing they might post there

[blazing condor]

4chan is the only place that talks about kek and shit anyway

theyre le epic trollers and based etc etc

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-gif-10587157

[sick sentinel]

based and redpilled

like, how do you ignore a headline like "Trump is a time traveling alien!" and "hackers can turn your home computer into a BOMB ... & blow your family to smithereens!" its so rediculous that even the most sane well adjusted person hears/sees it and goes. "uh........ WTF?"

[strong forum]

Well

This is headlines from the earliest ages of computers

Nowadays we know its not that simple, but back then

They also said that PCs will maybe only weigh a few tons and will have a few thousand kilobytes of data!

[sick sentinel]

its just like big foot or anything, its just silly how far they let the public make shit up about it

[strong forum]

Well yeah, as long as it sells...

Just look at fox news

[sick sentinel]

but, totally exists, and big foots a time traveler too you know, thats why he never gets caught on camera

if he detects someone photo'd him, he goes back in time to kill them and destroy the footage, thats why so little pictures and videos and ones that are filmed in 300x200 resolution

[strong forum]

[ionic fern]

I mean..it's the people who consume this info. 🤷

Blame the generic public.

[strong forum]

This pandemic alone shows how dumb the general public is

And makes me believe that maybe democracy isn't that good afterall

But I digress

[dawn canyon]

The public with Masks essentially

[strong forum]

People who don't bring the cart back are subhuman trash

[dawn canyon]

I usually never even get them

But i bring them back if i do

[sick sentinel]

i won't say anything else covid besides
"if you get the shot, you will die from it!" anon 1 to anon 2 "if you get the virus, you will die from it!" anon 2 to anon 1, and the trucker thing going on in canada

really hard to know whos telling truth so i just don't get involved at all

[dawn canyon]

It's not hard to tell, but this isnt a politics server so ill shut up

[strong forum]

It's sad that it turned into politics to begin with

Makes no sense

But ah well

[teal swift]

The talk about amazon

So prolly late 90s

But still, looks like satire to me

[sick sentinel]

this is how i handle returning trolley/cart at end of shopping

[teal swift]

$1 deposit

Doesn't matter if you return

You return if you want your $1 baxk

[sick sentinel]

general vicinity of doors close to store just leave it there

[teal swift]

Or leave so someone else can have $1

[dawn canyon]

Would yo do it without the deposit

[teal swift]

I'd leave it still

They have people who's entire jobs are to return them.

I just make sure they are out of the way

[sick sentinel]

they have self powered battery machines that follow you and push the carts in a huge line

[strong forum]

[ionic fern]

And this is what's known as "common decency" here..returning your cart.

[teal swift]

Ah l, not here

[sick sentinel]

so, you just find the next cart and it slides right into place and you can have like 20 carts on at a time

[teal swift]

Just don't leave them in middle of fucking parking lot

Make sure it's off to side.

It's not decenxy here. Different culture

[strong forum]

You don't want people making your job harder, so don't go make other people's job harder

Simple as that

[teal swift]

I pay the $1

[ionic fern]

Ya, US is weird.

[teal swift]

If I don't wanna move it

I'm in Canada.

Not USA.

[sick sentinel]

well, if i'm walking out of walmart and i leave the cart within a 10 yard radius of the front doors i figure its fine

[ionic fern]

Also weird.

🤷

[teal swift]

Eh not really

Homeless people make money

[sick sentinel]

someone worker or shopper will come pick it up

[strong forum]

And here we don't have had the need to employ people solely to move carts back to their designated area

[teal swift]

People get paid to do it

[blazing condor]

https://i.redd.it/dxnq7sjt98g51.jpg

[strong forum]

👏

[teal swift]

It's not correct.

If you want your $1 back you take it to the cart area

If you don't, you leave it

It's that simple

[strong forum]

Even if not for the 1€, I'd still bring it back

[sick sentinel]

i'm not totally lazy about it, 8/10 times i'll take it to corral

[strong forum]

Cuz that's where it supposed to go

[ionic fern]

We don't even have to pay anything for them...no deposit..

[strong forum]

And supposed to be found at

[ionic fern]

And people still put them back.

😂

[teal swift]

Homeless people steal a lot of carts here

[strong forum]

Well we don't have homeless people

[blazing condor]

nothing i hate more than people who use other people's jobs as an excuse to be a lazy piece of shit. "Well it's their job to clean up after me so"

so why make their job harder so you can be more lazy

you fuck

[strong forum]

Not alot of them, maybe like very few per city

And here it's your choice to be homeless

[teal swift]

@blazing condor because. If I don't want my $1 back, someone else can have it.

[strong forum]

Very hard to be homeless in Germany

[blazing condor]

well good then put your cart back and leave the $1

[teal swift]

That said. I don't drive. So I don't use carts.

But idgaf if people do or not.

I only get what I can carry home.

[brittle owl]

[sick sentinel]

i dunno though like i'm not just taking my cart out and then leaving it way out in the middle of the parking lot, where it can hit other cars or way away from where dude has to walk to go get it IF i don't put it back

[brittle owl]

[teal swift]

I've never seen a cart in the middle of any parking lot roadway

[brittle owl]

so those people with tents beneath bridges in Köln

[teal swift]

Different cultures.

[brittle owl]

are just street hippies?

[dawn canyon]

[sick sentinel]

2 doors to get outside and then covered area and right beside is the corral leading into the store with the 2 sets of doors

then beside it bus stop, so i go to bus stop an its literal right besid corral, so i never wory abut it

[teal swift]

Oh, the corrals here are put in dumb locations

And are almost always empty

[dawn canyon]

Anti-homeless architecture is true evil

[teal swift]

You get your cart inside, leave it off to the side

[mellow bridge]

TRUE

[strong forum]

Probably

[teal swift]

Every 15 minutes guy comes around with electric thing

[sick sentinel]

other grocer i go to the corrall is in the store, or, i'll again, take it to the bus stop which is like, 50 m this time and leave cart there, but i was on bus yesterday or day before and someone had put cart in that exact spot

[teal swift]

And picks them all up

[strong forum]

You have actively refuse to get a job and refuse help from the government to turn homeless in Germany

[brittle owl]

hunter gatherer larpers probably, saw a group roast a squirrel

near the zoo

[sick sentinel]

so i don't feel as bad, knowing that is his job to collect them and that he has a machine to help incase he has a bad back or something

[teal swift]

Wdym

Do people not get fired

Cause they suck at said job?

[brittle owl]

very hard to get fired in europe

[teal swift]

Oh, it's very easy here

[brittle owl]

except denmark

[mellow bridge]

ye im sure the 700k homeless people we have in Yermany are just hippies 👀

[lime urchin]

What is all this nonsense

How does any involve this thunderclappin?

[blazing condor]

it dont

[mellow bridge]

im gonna thunderclap your cheeks

[brittle owl]

hunter gatherer larpers

[teal swift]

Genuinely tho, the cart thing. There are different cultures.

[blazing condor]

this is the worst timeline

[brittle owl]

please

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y53g5FZ4mNo

[teal swift]

And different acceptable sotustions

[sick sentinel]

video related

[blazing condor]

i dont

i genuinely think less of you if you do stuff like that

[teal swift]

Wow ok

Well, I guess you're a dick then

How much do Germans tip service workers

And waitresses and shit

[dawn canyon]

Nothing

[teal swift]

Am curious