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Its cus hes blue
Started tier as ele shaman>played it on one boss healed rest>got 252 wep on warrior on vault got asked to reroll
Healed till painsmith*
Always did
Started tier as prot warrior, got asked to switch to BrM, left the guild
nah there was that 1 week then u came out with the 12K
(it was a toxic guild ^^)
and i gave up
Xd
KEKW
yer but it doesnt bring anything
Atleast we have m+
It's so chill to tank as a BrM
It has 5% phys debuff

So does MW
yes but MW if busted in raid apprently
True and with paladin dead mw might be the play
But still
Brm is good
Because its brm
Brm is good if you only look at yourself
It has good damage and if you die on it idk what to tell you
If you die on any tank its your fault
honestly with the damage increase and all the free IPs and you likely to run the wall and a lot of bosses
prot gunna be good
A raid tank doesn't die
This
Unless something severely changes prot will have the least representation
Why bring prot when dps warrior has the same rally
Are you british
I'll be happy to be one of them
It is true, but 1 more rally is better than 0 more rallies 
Bring in more dps warriors
Apparently dps warriors mediocre?
Next tier

Its not
At least in raid
Who TF knows
Just heard max saying it
I personally think it's like middle/middle top
Max says alot of shit

Max also says prot warrior pretty good
:max:
Eh
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Guardian simp meta inc

how do i make my tanks roll guardian
I expect to see bdk+pally all the way
asking for a friend
Brew if not nerfed
Also if max is basing his theory with 1 legendary then yeah i can see dps warrior being mediocre
Because atm its hard carried by shards
The entire rwf is fucked
No double leggo means everything is different
And then depends on set rng
If echo and limit manage to kill last 3 bosses without 2x legendaries its gonna be straight to farm week 4 latest for any top50 guild
Lmao
that's why i hate it
Very dicey tier
Echo vs Liquid

Its so bad
If its balanced around having everything, then rwf is gonna be boring
I hope they scrap the idea totally
If its possible to be killed without everything, then the tier will be a joke
There's no winning
Ye
NotMethod vs NotLimit is this rwf
Even worse than 9.1
Necrolord will be good anyway or just with double leggo?
We love castle nathria
After 2x
They will
Ignore rwf. Balance it so that by end of tier 10% of players can CE
only with double leggo
Because the actual skill difference between players in rwf vs top50 isnt that huge
Are they gonna be called liquid limit now
What makes you say this?
Sounds kinda sus
I've seen the same guilds in top 5 forever
Watch Blizzard be like "Nah, you now get rage only for the OG duration of banner".
because its true, like top 50 dont raid everyday for the first few weeks
^
Ah ok
they just do normal raiding but still kill it stupidly fast
The difference comes from raid hours and split prep etc

If I was going to raid more than 6-9 hours a week
I'd better fucking be ce first 8-10 weeks
Nah most top 50 pull overtime
I want fucking hall of fame
A lot of them hide logs
If I'ma be raiding 20-50 hours a week
Not even 10% of people do mythic
My friend just got recruited into a Hof guild and the hidden logs are nasty
Only a handful of guilds raid more than 10hrs a week
Making CE accessible to a vast majority of people removes any sort of achievement you'd get from having CE in the first place
We raid when we want to
Ye i think we did 7 hours in total akshully
Could be 7 days a week could be 5 only time will tell
Like, it's really only method, liquid, echo, bdgg and pieces that raid every day right?
Aversion too I guess
In mop I did 6 days 3 hours a night, we barely got AOTC in SoO
it is u just need to pay for it if u dont want to work at getting better
God we were all miseray bad.
no thats impossible
Theres plenty of guilds that do 7 days
No, literally I build a guild from the worst players imaginable
Just not 12 hours a day 7 days
Boost 
I wasn't good either.
The Ring ass guilds
i wouldnt mind this, but once the raid is cleared 2 days at most
Thats what we do
If you exclude boosts, then achieving CE on your own should be because you're good, not because the raid got tuned to be hella easy and accessible
CE is for those that want a challenge, not a free "look-I-did-it" trophy
tbf i wouldnt mind them making raids easier just then no PTR and no dungeon journal
it opens raiding for more players
I don't think that would make much of a difference
but then again thoughs players would go into raiding like they dont run m+
That's aotc
People will still just use guides
I don't think romanticizing the idea of CE, and gatekeeping it is the play here.
It's just mythic raiding. The more people that get to experience all the fights the better.
The idea, that more people achieving something cheapens your own accomplishment. All that matters is the date. Look at KSM.
I'm not trying to gatekeep CE
Not this tier
Anyone can KSM late season.
I'd like to see it be accessible, over the 6 month tier, just make it more and more accessible.
No reason you shouldn't.
If Mythic remains the difficulty it is, it should only encourage people to actually get better at the game to get CE
It doesn't.
In fact mythic is just heroic that you need to stop dam on
The stats show it doesn't
Then frankly
I mean mythic raiding in general is way more restrictive than HC its not just the difficulty. You cant cross-realm for a long time and you NEED 20 players
If you want CE, play like you want it
Most people dont have a good way to find 20 people willing to consistently raid
It's not about deserving it. It's about making the content accessible to more people over time. Why does it impact you, if your farm raids, that we all bitch about 4 months in, get easier?
You still get the challenge and the glory for having cleared it early
And more people get access to later bosses
How much do you really need to be validated by an achievement?
I'm not validated by my CE lol
You're clearing it post nerf. Why not nerf it more?
Why not continue to make it more and more accessible until the next tier
Like how does it hurt you, with more players having it?
Sure make it more accessible through the tier
But designing the tier from the beginning to be easier
Is not the way to do it
I'd like to see mythic raid tuned insanely hard at the start
I mean wasnt that what they used to do
ICC, DS and SOO
I loved how ICC buff handled it
You had the buffs
I mean there are a fair amount of good players with actually high rio for example but only with aotc or few bosses in mythic, so its not only bout your skill lvl etc
It's already getting more accessible through tier as we get more and more gear
But yeah, banezi and I can 100% agree
Also a good chance they just don't care about raiding
Make mythic hard
Not everyone likes raiding but loves m+
You need to find a guild you want to play with
Than undertuned
If you make your raid easy it's fucked
At least you can balance down, not up.
I dont think anyone is arguing otherwise
Anyways I got 5/10m
Blizzard chose to soft nerf it by the gear (shards, double leggo,...)
While not a true nerf, this is a way to make it more accessible
The 77 sucks, both tanks were dead. Fluke kill.
I'm glad to be mythic raiding
Still think painsmith should've been 9th boss
Not fucking ,6th
Imagine if guardian was 6, kt 7, fate 8, painsmith 9, sylv 10
Difficulty curve would've been so much better
Well painsmith was the only properly tuned boss in this tier
Not after nerfs
But yeah, honestly. I'm a mediocre player
I'd like to CE. But I'm happy just killing 5/10m
What I'm unhappy with is someone telling me to use shackle and drw defensively, so I stop wasting healer externals by calling for them.
I understand where people who haven't gotten CE's or struggle getting it, comes from
My feeling was - "eh"
I have to make sacrifices I don't want to make

My first CE I was kinda excited for
But any after that it was just me being relieved from killing the bosses
Ye you jusr need to find better guild if you are good
And not getting the CE
Back in wrath 
I literally got an invitation to a CE guild couple weeks ago.
My first was Uldir

I'm not willing to leave my guild.
Or well wasnt CE back then
So i dont get your point
I have the skill.
This @honest plinth
Azshara was a fun first final mythic boss 
CE is more about guild than about your personal skill
@wicked whale ily
So there is no reason to talk about Ce :)
Or well, raiding is
You enjoyed pressing 1 button?
I was a healer and 12, yes
Thats an hot take if ive ever seen one
No u

:uno:
@strong forum since you're bere
I'm just gonna pretend this person doesn't exist
Thanks for restraining me.
I appreciate you. Every time I see your cloud with glasses
I think, breathe, don't fight
Oh how times change
I meaaaan its not a fight, just varying opinions
Can you beleieve we've been friends for almost 3 months already?
I mean i only have one first final boss
Id argue whatever is your first last Boss you kill youll be looking back positively
Cringe LoS mechanics
Azshara was fun you copers
Not an Argument i wouldve brought up but sure
I get ptsd from spears
Azshara kinda ass
I got AOTC that tier
Remove first phase
Barely touched otherwise LOL
And it was pog
I just remember being one of three warriors and being the only one not having charged a hulk
EP wasnt that fun honestly
First three bosses were literally non-existant
Ashvane got trivialised
I liked orgazoa
Orgo was kinda fun
Really fun
Council was fine
Zack shoulders i still want
Minus that prog being when my ex left me

It was bas
Her family called a hostage situation in
Mid raid
So I basically got swatted
And had no idea what was happening
I didn't even know anything was wrong in the relationship lmfao
It was all fine ofc, but God damn
Fucking terrible night
Thats not za cool
@potent zephyr
Wonka has been called
Ik I overshare
I just try to be open about my incredibly shit life.
Ik you guys prolly don't care, but it's therapeutic to talk about ^^
Oversharing happens but would be best to be in DMs
hello my tank fellows
Hello another tank.
Hi box!
hello
I prefer rotting

I dont tank but i want to fit in
@jagged pier ๐ซ

Box don't fit
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Too smol
Non of us tank, it's fine.
damn
We are just here because we like complaining about DPS'ers/healers being bad.
So yre nf warlock now?
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Gromnak Clip
I'm on the sweet sweet release screen
what's funny is, the same exact thing happened to me
the same exact place too
before i ever saw that clip
Can I has headpats
THE TANK IS A FUCKING GOBLIN
You're good people
DUDE
Sure
I try to be but some people make it hard
That's what did by sword
Man I hate people
We're all just beefy DPS'ers.
some of them at least
Fuck people

We play tanks so we could stand in shit and continue DPS'ing.
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we can finally dps next tier properly
with the set bonus

no need to play fury or arms
am i the only player that actually finds dps'ing boring like i did it for 1 tier can that was enough
yes
its omega 
you know what's also,
swapping every 4 stacks
Cuz im much better anyway
like i legit volunteered to do the all the machanics cause i was bored
Yes
Except pala because pala is basically dps
Only after 2 tanks quit and downing zul I got to tank
i dunno i prefer tanking in raid ๐คท
I dont mind bedge content with the guild
especially now dont ever need to stop when stop dps is called
They are my Entertainment
is the set bonus big for dps?
yes
Dpsing in raid is just do 1 mechanic every 3 moons
Outburst, causing your next Shield Slam or Thunder Clap to be 200% more effective and grant Ignore Pain.
And tanking isn't?
u dont tc
Tanking you have alot of min maxing to do and actual stuff to look out for
200% of 0 is still 0
Nooo you dont get it killing the eye add and doing puddles is very hard wdymmmm
Especially if you also make callouts
but it's not 0
in aoe tho
even in aoe
You need like 10 targets
TC is a fixed amount

Lmao
For TC to beat SS
Cuz SS gets you 2 revenges
TC gives you 0.7 revenge
That's why you never TC
For every empowered TC you did, you wasted 2 revenges
should empower revenge
blizz probably don't know we use revenge
:kreygasm
I think I'm a really good person. Really big heart
Revenge no rage cost next tier
I really care about people.
No pls I need to dump rage
My actions have shown how loyal, and how much I care about the people I care about
IP is already at 17cpm
I was young my tc was strong
as a principle
And thats good 
But also dont forget to care for yourself
I care about some people***
If you cross me
I generally fucking hate you and will burn you at the stake.
Show me respect for 3 steps, I'll show you respect for 10. You burn me once. I'll set your life on fire.
Phill, you've been respectful and sweet, and I've only ever responded to you in kind.
We need a DC movie with you ๐
What on earth is going on.
its too early for this
I try my best to not be a dick online 
I'm usually pretty nice.
I think me never playing League helped
I'm very... @strong forum might call it... Energetic, passionate, and high amplitude
I think that describes you pretty well

You're very Ping happy aren't you?
i just shitpost tbh
Shitpost respectfully 
yes of course
does BOOBA respectfully actually work
I wanna tank, and even on farm I wanna inlrove
reminded me of twitch chat
?
And get better and better
what is inlrove
Improvw
I dont think so
Only thing i cared about during Farm when i still tanked was padding DPS and parsing.
Improve, with big thumbs
parses is what makes raid tanking acceptable
parses this tier are dog
which is why its justifiable to pad
so many externals
I actually parsed souirender, but didn't pad
@slim pier Nice cock, respectfully
It's kinda weird, no?
I always wanna push my dps as high as I can, I also wanna kill shit so I try not to pad.
That doesn't sound weird to me
thanks tho
lmao
i aint showing off that 70 parse

I like the shape 
My nerz is 77
99-100 or not satisfied.
Both tanks were dead
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just press buttons 
I make a lot of rotational mistakes
i never got a 100 parse in mythic
Like overuse of marrowrend.

Also missing a 259 jaithys
100 parses are cheesing
And a second 252 trinket.
Yuzu do you watch lepan?
I don't watch anyone
He's a cool bdk
99 parse is respectable
100 is just eh
cool but probably cheese

thats why i dont have any

Also lepans BDK is fully bis since 3 months 
each one to their own 
And orange and above are really nice.
I gave up parsing when Corruption came out cause it was just..RNG luck at that point.
Jeah, now it's just "who getrs the most externals".
So I'm not gonna get that jailer 2h
Damn my TD never proccing on adds on Za'qul.
Jeah,m cause my TD never procced on it.

did yall prog EP in 8.3?
@ionic fern like, do you know why I care about ce?
I think so
I want the fucking last boss loot
zaqul always failed lmao
That's insanely OP
Jetis 
So I can have a reasonable change to get sick parsea
Instead
I get to use heroic welfare gear
And do my best to get full 95+
Yuzu do you know
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In single target yes
In m+ no
Bdk damage is so shit single target
You just want as many raw damage things possible
It's why I use phial and fucking torture rack
Cause they sim insane
I have a 230 dk with no leggo should i play some BDK keys 
239 rack outsims most shit in raid for me
melee does more damage than any abiiity in st for bdk

Havent tanked in a while
Lies
Blood shards existed
LOL
Look at this fucking breakdown
Our ghoul autos do giga damage
LOL
50% uptime
I meant their abilities but i get it
yeah they're huge
Soulrender damage breakdown
Blood boil looks so cool
Is there no better dam option than super strain?
Nope
there isn't yeah
Not for aoe or st
LOL
Even next tier we're prolly keeping super strain
While all the dks are like POG LOoK at our tier seeet
And I'm like 
is the tier set good
what it do ๐ค
Directly correlates with parry and drw
Look it up I don't remember
I will be using super strain at least until 4/4 tier set
Then see how it's doing
fuck lmao
LOP
When you take damage, you have a chance equal to 100% of your Parry chance to lash out, Heart Striking your attacker. Dancing Rune Weapon now summons 2 Rune Weapons.

And then crw gives more drw
imagine having so many rune weapons hanging around
does it work in D& D
Until I get some tier gear
Idk I barely tratedt
Tested
And it's still broken
And not functioning
Aooo
F
so will m+ taz be pogging or nah
It's beyond overtuned rn so it's very hard to tell
But the trinkets, ring and neck will be of use
things still broken as well
1 month is alot of time (for a normal company)
true
tune it around dn
like look at guardian that wasnt tuned around everyone having dom sockets
personally i hope double leggo tuning because if its not they raids gunna get pummeled into the ground like nya'lotha was
if they smart theyll tune it around 2x leggos
What's dn
joe mama
djoe nmama
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d'youre n'verycool

Bdk tierset still doesn't work

Like, not broken, but like doesn't actuslly do what. It's supposed to
I can't sleep
I could sleep rn

I can't sleep during the day. If i do..i won't be able to sleep at night and then i will be grumpy the next day due to no sleep.
thats what u get for being ๐ด
KEKW
I bet it's only a few years difference.

True.
mood
So it's actually..Erga->Jakey->Nome?

Probably true.
Protection Warrior diddn't even exist until Sense logged in, pressed Create new Character and a new class was born.
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You mean in age from youngest to oldest?
Then yes
In the graveyard
damn
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im baby tho
Yes.

:wicked:
true
That is the rule
:wicked_
Damn zoomers can't even type.
well, obviously
;;OKAY
we haven't had the millions of hours that you guys have
the literal billions of hours you have sat by your personal computer
typing on the key-board
Phoneposter here ama
welcome to the wicked club
Yeah sit down, 2days younger bebi
How old
24 in 4 months
ye u are a boomer
Ye thats defo zoomer

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Why does my body feel like its deteriorating then
Youre eating like shit and not doing any physical activities
And I can't even sit straight without I feel like it's scoliosis kicking in

Not wrong on both accounts
Been too busy playing MH to take care of myself recently


Dman zoomers
np
Dman
Always on their computers.
its my life ๐
Phone typing is demonic
Big thumbs
Auto correct both saving and killing my vibe
yer i cant do these i spend all day not looking at a key board but when i need to think i cant spell or press the right button KEKW
im only better cus i don't have the english keyboard layout
scandi-one just trumps it
You think getting old and being a boomer fuck who sucks ass sat games won't ever hapeen
Then it does
true and correct
There is like zero difference between ansi and iso besides one has extra large pepga enter/return button
Far as I can tell
62 wpm :p
Not bad
And for one like having the slim line return and access to \ button think it is
I'm on tablet can't see mine so it's fuckj g with my head looking at tablet lsyoht
i don't think i could ever not use my current lay out
meaning if i were to move somewhere else or whatever i'd have to buy a scandi one
which is obviously superior but yaknow its more of a hassle
I got both an Ansi and iso keyboard
Prefer the Ansi but can type sorta same speed on both
Of course if we speak actual input layout then I'd be fucked if it wasn't Danish
maybe you should try a scandi keyboard and see how it feels
maybe they have the right keybinds
i've never liked mechanical keyboards tbh
don't have one now either
works fine enough
Rubber dome switches feel awkward asf to type on
Compared to mechanical switches
For me
Membrane just are worse objectively
You only ever use membrane to give to grandpa's pc
So he can type to his buddy about the hockey game over a 3 hour period
Ya keyboards really are just the feel in the end
maybe the grandpa is a gamer like me with 120+ wpm
The input latency is so unnoticeable
won't even take 3 minutes
That it won't make a difference
the only times ive ever felt like i would've benefited from faster latency and response in my presses have been in very frantic FPS games
with ability buttons
wow is such a fucking boomer game you can be at the top with a ball mouse and no headset
Even then your standard keyboard already has a good enough input speed that it won't make a diff
Like corsairs newest keyboards have some mind numbing 10k input speed
Forgot what they call the metric
It's like, we got all these fucking idiots who buy fast cars and guns and then you can never use them or never go ham with them
It's like what's the point buying a steak that's 200$ instead of normal 20$ steak, or a Ferrari so you can drive under 60mph at all ti,especially or get arrested
You can under controlled environments
Just because it can go 300 mph doesn't mean you should go that fast
If you wanna drive fast, move to Germany and drive on the Autobahn
whats the point of buying a $200 keyboard instead of a $20 one if there's no difference for what i do with them
I got a few 350-400 euro keyboards, but they cost that much because of their quality and customizability
I definitely don't expect anyone to go out and spend that much on them
Well you can measure its effectiveness with science and it's not a reagent or consumable
So if it has value it becomes an investment
I'm sure loads of the people in this video not from Germany or ever been on this track, so I get what you mean
You seriously have to get this "lets post random videos in #protection " under control Yogi.
Post them in #off-topic if you want to.
Fine, whatever
Not sure if @ Jakey is allowed. Appreciate the feedback. Ran some 20s last night with AM instead of HR. My block was still over 75% so need more reprisal practice. But a huge increase in trinkets, SW, LS, and demo. Plus my wasted rage went down from 2-3k to less then 500โฆโฆpushing them buttons lol
Je, you can ping @jagged pier as much as you want.

@jagged pier

Always poggies seeing someone get advice and improve



I had to pay a lot more attention to how to maximize my shield block up time. But I found it had me using my defensives a lot more. A couple of weeks and I imagine it will become less stress as well
it will do
i'll keep it short but i went to do DOS 13 last night, first pull tons of kiting despite hunter and rogue, nobody died 2nd pull i charged raptor didn't clap trying to get interupt guy wipe
kill LT, go to pull red boy, taunted it did a heroic throw lost aggro temporarily so it goes chasing someone, out of range for jar now
someone informs me druid DC, i just instantly quit after like 5 seconds of waiting
i just straight up legitimately no regrets alt f4'd cuz 2 wipes on 4 pulls and healer is DC
1)How does the "tons of kiting" have anything to do with "hunter and rogue"?
2)2nd pull Sounds like your fault since you diddn't grab aggro properly
3)Red boy sounds like your fault since you diddn't grab aggro properly.
Why F4? Just tell the group your leaving if your gonna leave.
maybe soothe for hunter and rogue on the big skelly
The big skelly just looks at you weirdly on a +13.
odd looking duck that one
it's enrage week and they brought up sorry i didn't dispell it
|| @jagged pier get pinged idiot ||
||made u look lol||
Oh, Raging/explosive
ANother free week
What is this
2 in a row.
Wish i did m+.

same tbh
but yeah, i dunno why, for some reason i wanted to charge the raptor first because i probably wanted to clap instantly but the guy does his spell second you engage combat
so you have to charge interupt him
when is this going to stop 
SAME
alternatively, you charge whoever you want and spell reflect the first cast
then move in and interrupt next cast
depends when
Yeah I usually charge raptors, us free revenge and then clap as I get in range of caster group
i honestly felt like last week was way more free
last week was more or less a breeze for me
i actually timed shit


not even another game i'm interested in, just not fucking wow it seems like at times
I feel like we already had this discussion where you went on a rampage about how much you don't like WoW and we told you not to play it then since what's the point..
Raging can really fucking hurt
Unless you're a warrior ofc
Then u just block through it lmao
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At this point i'm just taking w/e transmog i still don't have from vault.
you get a 246 for doing a 12 or 13 i think
vault is omega
rn
i guess that's the core point that i'm getting at is that i'm just getting more and more frustrated at making these tiny mistakes that add up to be dead keys and i know its me whos fucking it up
all this stupid shit that should never have gone wrong to begin with and then somehow it does
making mistakes is part of the game and everyone here does it. The main issue seems to be that you keep making the same mistakes over and over and not really progressing
^
<3
hope you're well
i do wish i had better news to report to you guys
i almost had KSM fairly early on season 1 and stopped trying until like last week of it, couldn't do it then
Ksm s1 was muuuuch harder
Have you considered playing an easier tank?
Bear druid in 15-20 keys Is very very easy
i feel like i'd be going deeper into the maze at that point
where i create a second tank
or a healer
I'm acguslly not sure why you cznt so ksm
Like, when you pug the group
Are you waiting for like 2200+ players?
Are you doing the route correctly?
i'd upload and link to a video of a 13 spires i did last week, but then i'd get reprimanded for "self promotion"
It's always the same issues that you're not fixing.
It really is repetitive at this point as we've gone over multiple videos / logs
1)Poor class knowledge
2)Wasted rage
3)Low SB up-time
4)Bad positioning
5)Bad routes/pulls
And we've given you feedback regarding how to fix all of these multiple times.
I kinda just charge and mash revenge, shieldslam, tclap, and shield block
Like at 15, ik not memeing you kinda just keep up shield block and spam revenge
And just route decently
On a +15 you just press W and complete the dungeon on time as long as people are more or less decent.
Bring 2200+ players looking for weekly kegs who can. Pump like 10-12k dps
Good one
The people i get in my groups at 2.2-2.4k are doing around as much overall as me on my prot warrior.
The "good" ones are like barely 10k.
i do more damage with reprisal then most 2.3k dpsers i come across
^
Holding threat off her blows
DPS isn't the issue jeah..people just fall over to mechanics that kill them. ๐
I was just mashing op Ms
Gz now u can play arms lol
Honestly, don't think
Just find a route
Fill the key
And pull it
Like at 15 and below it's really hard to int the key
Like yogi I've uploaded vids of my 5 tank runs
And they're omega scuffed
But we easily +2 keys
I promise, keys are much easier than they feel. Just be confident don't over think, follow your route.
And just wing it. I've timed keys pretty well like tbat
Also, just start trying to pug jbto like 16-17 keys
For faster io
Dm them be like yoooo I'm solid
And try not to int the key
i think the problem is that i underthink and disregard major threats until they absolutely have to be dealt with
and then so its just im doing a boss and WTF druid is dead
Nothing in a 15 is. Threat
well it is if your 5 prots
I'm convinced you coukd ksm without a tank In the group.
u can barely heal

