i find BM hunter to be 20 iq spec
#protection
solid granite
a good spec shouldn't be complicated
teal swift
@strong forum plz forgive me
teal swift
a good spec shouldn't be complicated
Shadowpriest is the most complicated dps
And is a very good spec
solid granite
"shouldn't"
ocean reef
A good spec imo has a decent skill floor but has a high skill ceiling
teal swift
^
waxen orbit
Unfortunately true
I wish it weren't but spearheading the group falls on the tank
People look to you for the calls
Whether it's fair or not, you gotta step up to that plate
🤷♂️
sick sentinel
well, i have a mage and a warlock and a shaman that are all at lvl 60
teal swift
Yeah, it's good
chilly brook
Haven't campaigns been weekly time gated??
So wouldn't this be worse if it follows the same?
solid granite
No
chilly brook
No as in it doesn't follow the same scheme?
solid granite
if you can't play for more than a couple of hours per week, you were timegated for months
chilly brook
Because if it does this is objectively worse
teal swift
if you can't play for more than a couple of hours per week, you were timegated f...
My mental health relies on me playing moderately.
chilly brook
Since it would have previously been 3 weeks at most
teal swift
Yes, but we want to be weaker
sick sentinel
i dunno, i've been talking to you guys long time, what do you figure is best to move onto for a bit? i have rogue mage shaman and lock all lvl 60
chilly brook
This would be 7 if it keeps with the same convention
chilly brook
Yes, but we want to be weaker
this is dumb
teal swift
No it isn't. We want the tier to take awhile to clear
While getting power spikes weeks in
It'll make ce achievable by more.
sweet summit
what
chilly brook
????
teal swift
i dunno, i've been talking to you guys long time, what do you figure is best to ...
Try them all.
teal swift
Good take.
chilly brook
Really bad take
chilly brook
Just tune stuff with double legendaries in mind lmao
95% of this discord won't clear mythic before double legendary
ocean reef
Realistically they tuned the raid around double legos most likely anyway, and them getting double legos in week 4 or 5, as compared to week 1 or 2, won't make them become a CE guild unless they actually play like CE players
chilly brook
I don't want to just be 7 weeks in and be like "oh hey my parse jumped up 2k dps just because I got another lego"
sweet summit
i attacked your bad take, not you
lofty widget
they literally say in the post that they tuned it around 1 leggo, and the extra leggo would act as a "boost" in power
like yuzu says
teal swift
i attacked your bad take, not you
So u still love me 🥺
chilly brook
they literally say in the post that they tuned it around 1 leggo, and the extra ...
It's still monkey brain
lofty widget
better gear helps ppl overcome bad play
ocean reef
On paper sure
But not in reality
Depends entirely on the fight
Some fights have punished you for having too much throughput, and you can't simply just outdps every mechanic
teal swift
250 groups still can't kill painsmith
chilly brook
The post is literally "Hey we heard you were unsatisfied with time gating and the legendary being attached to rep, we hear you so we attached it to the campaign chapter 7 (y'know potentially 7 weeks now instead of 3 weeks)! Aren't you happy with us listening?"
autumn pendant
Remember there are people that took couple of hours to finish +2 key
solid granite
Well, y'all still have the opportunity to voice your concerns.
As always, we’re still open to and listening to feedback here, so once the changes go up, please do continue to tell us how you feel about them.
chilly brook
They've heard our feedback already
teal swift
I trust blizzard.
ocean reef
I don't
lofty widget
The post is literally "Hey we heard you were unsatisfied with time gating and th...
you realize most ppl dont have time to play every single day and grind all rares etc for weeks?
chilly brook
I don't lmao
solid granite
i mean, i don't
chilly brook
you realize most ppl dont have time to play every single day and grind all rares...
This is without grinding for weeks and or grinding rares
ocean reef
Years and years of dishonesty and awful choices made it so
Questionable game design decisions
solid granite
but the casual base was upset by the double legendary being rep based - rightfully so. This is the 'best' outcome the majority of players could've hoped for
teal swift
Every has to deal with the same thing, I'm fine with kt
lofty widget
regardless, far from everyone can play video games every day, and you arent punished for "missing" a day
teal swift
It's not worse for me.
sweet summit
those that can't are not as affected as those that can by this change
like
it's just bad
idk
i hate it
lofty widget
what does it matter if you get it week 3 or week 5 when the patch is here for at least 6 months anyway
teal swift
Yes, 4 straight weeks to be competitive
ocean reef
I'm gonna be honest, I don't get the point of making it better for the people who barely do +5s in time, as compared to people who actively play the game a lot more
solid granite
28 days if you played every day
lofty widget
this change just means more ppl will have double leggo earlier in the patch
ocean reef
They won't be affected by having the 2nd lego in week 3 or week 7
solid granite
if you can't / wont play everyday, its a couple of months
chilly brook
what does it matter if you get it week 3 or week 5 when the patch is here for at...
Ok, what did it matter to not get dom sockets for a month when you're on this patch for 6 months...
Oh wait
It mattered a lot
lofty widget
did it really?
ocean reef
Unholy was thousands of DPS more than if you didn't have it
lofty widget
it's not even a month since chapter 1-3 usually launch together week 1
ocean reef
People went weeks or even months without Unholy
And they were effectively gimped in comparison to other people as a result
solid granite
Chapter 1-4 unlocks with the release according to the article
sweet summit
i got my uh set after we killed soulrender iirc
ocean reef
I was lucky and got mine 1st mythic week
chilly brook
Because the company continues to make dumb decisions
sweet summit
you can draw the parallels
you miss out on thousands of dps
which means the raid is either piss easy once you get said dps
teal swift
Everyone misses out.
teal swift
I'ma stop
chilly brook
Chapter 1-4 unlocks with the release according to the article
They just updated it because that information was not included when linked
solid granite
Because the company continues to make dumb decisions
dunno, sounds fiscally sound to me to not 'infinite time gate' a core feature of the patch.
chilly brook
How about just don’t time gate it period to begin with
solid granite
just abandon the plan & not make double leggo usable would've been fine as well, yes.
teal swift
I'm also okay with this.
chilly brook
And it’s also a week longer than previously still
chilly brook
just abandon the plan & not make double leggo usable would've been fine as well,...
Lmao quite obtuse
If you’re so concerned about those who don’t have time just don’t time gate it then ez
safe thistle
for m+ you would go condensed anima sphere or indelible victory like wowhead says....... i personnaly prefer condensed and think its better but wowhead says otherwise aam i wrong.
ocean reef
Descending into a discussion with little merit to it
solid granite
i'm more akin to my fem-undead warrior :p
waxen orbit
I play dwarves and tauren but I'm built like a belf 
I'll dress up as a catboy on stream for a $50 donation
Dead serious
That's what my father's disappointment is worth
solid granite
That's what my father's disappointment is worth
that i got for free 😉
solid granite
do the Finn5ter
sick sentinel
I'm not sure if I'm more concerned that you'd do it for only 50 bucks or that you make it sound like you already own outfit
autumn pendant
I think it is better not knowing answers to some questions
solid granite
nothing wrong with embracing your weirdness
mighty valley
dom sockets were bad because of random acquisition + another kind of random acquisition + grindy currency
this seems fine to me, very even playing field, barely any mythic guilds will have made meaningful progress by week 3
no catchup concerns if you get here late
rwf on a lower equal playing field
i'm sympathetic to people who hate playing world of warcraft but can't escape the addiction but for everyone else this seems ok
solid granite
@teal swift yuzu! creepy!
mighty valley
It's good for RWF too though, an easy tuning lever to make it harder for them but not impossible for regular mortal guilds
teal swift
teal swift
<@!766937585431478282> yuzu! creepy!
Potentially
solid granite
😄
teal swift
Not gUrenteed to be creepy
solid granite
girl.. you's creepy 😉
solid granite
yuzu creepy - mom joke for you right there
teal swift
Yuzually less creepy tho
solid granite
i was just out-mom'd
sick sentinel
I'll dress up as a catboy on stream for a $50 donation
who wouldn't
sick sentinel
i have some photo of me saying i wish i could be a cat like a year ago
ffs what was in my head
sick sentinel
ye but i have dog filter on
teal swift
I think people are too worried about what other people think
sick sentinel
not even the right animal
teal swift
Uqt
waxen orbit
I think people are too worried about what other people think
Factual
waxen orbit
POV: You suggest anything other than Devastator for prot warrior
remote dawn
guys you play AM or Heavy?
waxen orbit
AM
Always
Too much of an offensive and defensive loss in most situations to run HR
AM is more shield wall and damage opportunity
urban portal
tbf
devastate
is so fking aids to plan
play
it feels like wet noodle the button
mighty valley
It’s like fine when you’re leveling and you have no haste and none of your passive procs yet, just so you don’t have empty GCDs
But yeah it feels like our swipe, the button you’re just sad to press
teal swift
Arara
urban portal
But yeah it feels like our swipe, the button you’re just sad to press
at least swipe is aoe
urban portal
Ye
I still don't know how to not cap rage on prot
I dump it on ip off gcd
Then my ip caps
Maybe it's time to play itf in keys
But that's cringe
west walrus
lime urchin
I mean, if you time your keys and you occasionally cap rage…
blazing condor
Rage cap is kinda tough not to do when u burst
Ravager tick + avatar + charge + spear
Gotta spam those off gcd’s inbetween revenge
urban portal
I'm thinking about holding ravager for 5 seconds into the pull
So it still gets full value from avatar
But isn't front loading my rage
teal swift
I like ravager as I pull into charge
IP + revenge, spear > shield slam > tclap > revenge spam with IP etc
urban portal
I think my problem is keeping ss on cd too much
Like I would rather slam at 70 rage than revenge
urban portal
Because then I cap because of other rage gain
But yeah the thing is that I started tracking ip
And I'm like
Perma capping on ip
It's basically wasting rage
urban portal
Fair
teal swift
It turns into more damage
blazing condor
just spam revenge
and ip
revenge + ip is 60 rage in like one gcd
i dont think youd generate more than that
teal swift
Only on pull
blazing condor
yeah
teal swift
Because reprisal + ravager + spear
Is giga rage
And you should have like 40-50 rage at the end of each pull ready to drive into the next
With a charge back to near cap
strong forum
In 9.2 with 4p + 2leggo you'll be happy to press IP to avoid capping rage lmoa
jagged pier
i do it alot now anyway
blazing condor
i actually haven't really looked at my logs to see rage waste
i can see myself both not waste and waste rage
can you see "total rage wasted" clumped up into a column somewhere
or is it just maths on individual spells
nvm figured it out
teal swift
@jagged pier 🫂
strong forum
or is it just maths on individual spells
takes insane levels of counting in your head each pull and remember it all and add it up later and just check logs->resources->rage
blazing condor
i mean when i checked resources > rage it wouldnt say total because i was highlighting me specifically thats why i asked 
it just gave me wasted and gained for every rage-generating spell
strong forum
ye if you highlight nobody it shows just total
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> 🫂
gm
strong forum
jagged pier
sick sentinel
Time to choose...... - gman hl1
dawn canyon
jagged pier
sick sentinel
It wouldn't be so difficult for me to leave wow if I didn't have the asmongold experience of mom reads with me the hobbit and then I get rts games and I get wc3 for birthday
That's kinda in partway I suppose really badly at it and keep playing yet complain anyways
She didn't play the games with me but it feels alot the same, and it's just been part of life too long now to simply move past
blazing condor
reminds me of those pictures were there's some sad ass birthday party for some guy who's like 25 and still lives with his parents
lime urchin
thats a bad thing?
lime urchin
thats a sad picture
blazing condor
you in the background missing your kids bday cus you're filling up your vault
mellow bridge
jagged pier
blazing condor
life's what you make it bros 
dont be sad just be glad is what i always say
easy as birthday cake
lime urchin
I like birthdaycake!
blazing condor
🎂
sick sentinel
my birthday passed this montth! (the one i use for all my porn gaming sites aka jan 1st 1900)
kappa
no, its later
waxen orbit
Good near afternoon dweebs
Forgot to say good morning
Hold up it’s still technically morning for like 6 minutes
Good morning
strong forum
sir its 6pm
blazing condor
based and gmt+1 pilled
jagged pier
sir its 5pm
blazing condor
cringepilled
blazing condor
📻 🐦 check this twitter radio
strong forum
You don't need rights to be funny
burnt thicket
Hey, is necrolord the most tanky covenant for m+? I am a beginner tank and want to have the smoothest tank experience 🙂 thanks for the advice
i meant in terms of defensives
pine lotus
Hey, is necrolord the most tanky covenant for m+? I am a beginner tank and want ...
I like kyrian a lot for m+, spear helps with kiting and spear+ravager is really nice threat
jagged pier
Hey, is necrolord the most tanky covenant for m+? I am a beginner tank and want ...
no necro is the 3rd best m+ cov
ither kyrian or nf
if u want more defensive go kyrian but its every vlose between kyrian and nf
burnt thicket
ok, I will stick with kyrian then, thanks
blazing condor
pine lotus
its crazy how much smoother warr dmg intake is coming from a bear
jagged pier
almost like thats how its supposed to be
blazing condor
actually a tanks job is to take 90% of their hp in damage and then instantly get it back up
pine lotus
almost like thats how its supposed to be
i get that haha i know its supposed to be smoother but i didnt expect it to be "that" much smoother
jagged pier
teal swift
actually a tanks job is to take 90% of their hp in damage and then instantly get...
I see you are a bdk of culture
teal swift
sturdy sable
actually a tanks job is to take 90% of their hp in damage and then instantly get...
The goal is to mitigate just enough to survive everything else is a waste
All dat HP you lost? Just another tool in your tool belt
sick sentinel
i know already, but thats why i like IV sometimes, don't have to kill something for it and self heal is just nice
instant stabilization button and return huge portion of hp pool
modern brook
Imagine not using brs as externals
chilly brook
instant stabilization button and return huge portion of hp pool
If you’re taking huge damage the only way to stabilize is to mitigate it
twilit jay
im pretty excited for the 9.2 tierset. its gonna be a blast
blazing condor
more blast than without it 
urban portal
IV only helps in very specific scenarios
like somet big blaster magic damage
and only magic damage
if you are mitigating in the first place you dont need that spiky heal
thats what actual healers are for
sick sentinel
even if you manage all your CD's correctly, your still going to take some damage
and any hp above 0 keeps you alive, tons of times you are sitting at less than 60% hp
sick sentinel
IV could be fine in theory if you could communicate it with healer to not waste the heal, and so that probably means you are mitigating correctly
ionic fern
🙂
sturdy sable
I still think iv should be baseline
Not going to use it over other talents but having it for free? Sign me the fuck up
sick sentinel
i think for the "whenever you kill, do X" should be like, a snap shot of the players who attacked it the most as it was dying, dungeon it takes top damager and raid top 3 damagers during final 5% hp
sick sentinel
when i craft leaper
blazing condor
Jump King
sick sentinel
jump king talent/buff if your HL would hit an enemy, it charges it instead
blazing condor
sick sentinel
so it charges and crashes wherever you hit, doing the heroic leap effect
teal swift
Morning @jagged pier @blazing condor @strong forum @ocean reef @urban portal @sweet summit @normal zinc @ionic fern 
normal zinc
strong forum
Literally going to bed rn
teal swift
Sleep well friends, I'm sick so I'm sleeping extra.
west walrus
Good night 
urban portal
6pm
ocean reef
Morning <@179993058186625025> <@186864948343865344> <@192743144276623360> <@1024...
hola compadre
teal swift
Big hugs.
rocky gust
is there any recommended weakaura for prot warrior ?
sweet summit
why would you need to track ip
just get like general cooldowns (shield wall/shield block/avatar/you get the point) and shield wall/shield block buff duration tracker
teal swift
Duration, and total absorb
mighty valley
eh, whenever i've had an obvious IP tracker it hasn't like, changed my decisions
sweet summit
lmao
mighty valley
buncha people probably reported
calm whale
Which has more potential rage generation; Optimal Reprisal usage or The Wall?
calm whale
word ty
mighty valley
at least that's the general consensus, haven't seen the hard maths
calm whale
The key is probably optimally using it vs not
mighty valley
I think you get a ton out of reprisal even without totally optimal usage
Honestly think it's best even for fairly average players
(also tons of players don't use SW enough even without the wall, lol)
pine lotus
is there a way to tell my block uptime from details in a m+
teal swift
Logging
urban portal
is there a way to tell my block uptime from details in a m+
look around on curseforge
should be one somewhere
sick sentinel
Blizzard
Are you fucking kidding me with this one
Fucking ban some poor 70 year old dudes account, probably takes him 3 minutes to type in pw looool why why do they do these things
mighty valley
all enormous games just have to rely on player reports + automated stuff, some people slip through the cracks
you just don't hear about most of them because they're not sweet 70 year olds
this is not some malicious attack on old people
teal swift
Automation and player reports are the front line defense. I wish they took appeals more seriously.
That's the issue I have.
mighty valley
I wish they paid customer service more and treated them better
mighty valley
that too
rocky gust
would anyone be interested in training me how to tank as prot warrior in shadowlands mythic dungeons and raids?
I have basic tanking experience
and would love to be mentored by someone willing
waxen orbit
why would you need to track ip
It's helpful in M+
sweet summit
is it?
waxen orbit
Very
sweet summit
what useful information does it give
waxen orbit
You can track how much absorb you got, time remaining, etc.
Before you overcap it
Same idea as a SotR tracker WA
sweet summit
do not compare sotr and ip
waxen orbit
I'm not
I'm saying it's the same idea of a tracker
Not a defensive
IP tracking WA's are just an extra tool that can help for keeping track of stuff, nothing wrong with that
sweet summit
doesn't give you any info that might change your gameplay
i mean, i have it too
but i don't think it does anything
waxen orbit
It can change your gameplay. If you're trying to max out your absorb on IP and aren't hovering over the buff every second with your mouse in the middle of a rough pull, it's helpful to make sure you don't just rage dump and overcap it for essentially no return
Not really needed on low keys or any sort of raiding content but once you start hitting higher key registers it's just another small bit of info that can spare you a couple seconds
Apologies for typing a lot; I just like to be thorough because very often I mistakenly leave stuff out
teal swift
would anyone be interested in training me how to tank as prot warrior in shadowl...
Ask @sick sentinel
rocky gust
ok thanks @sick sentinel ? 🙂
waxen orbit
would anyone be interested in training me how to tank as prot warrior in shadowl...
Shit well uh what do you know about prot warrior so far?
rocky gust
I have tanked in heroic 8.3 raid and dungeons, never went above m10 really
and im back to playing prot warrior in SL
I have a basic rotation and some weakauras i made
currently 207 ilvl, looking to learn the SL dungeons and hopefully complete m15 by the end of the expansion
waxen orbit
I was same position last expac, been there dawg. So for starters, we’re not quite the powerhouse we were back in 8.3; that being said, you can still play prot warrior pretty efficiently right now up to +25 in M+ before you notice a sizable problem. In other words, all raid content and up to +15? Fair game; you’re built for it.
So with that out of the way, obviously you know to never rage cap. Ignore Pain is your defensive rage dump, and Revenge is your offensive rage dump. Most of the game right now at +15 as prot warrior is maintaining shield block while simultaneously maintaining good damage, that of course coming primarily through Revenge and Shield Slam
Ignore Pain, while being useful, is very, very costly, for little return. I’d say avoid hitting this button too much in M+ so that you avoid overcapping its absorb or wasting it in a situation where you don’t need it, and instead aim for using the majority of your rage on Revenge (this goes for raid content as well)
mighty valley
^^ i think this is the biggest thing people get wrong when they start prot warrior, overdoing IP - if you make sure you're keeping up shield block when taking melee, dumping excess rage into revenge, and only using IP to prevent rage overcaps, you'll honestly get pretty far before you need a lot more nuance than that
waxen orbit
In AOE or cleave situations, Revenge will beat Shield Slam in terms of damage, while in ST situations, Shield Slam beats Revenge. In both of these situations, you’ll want to weave either ability into your rotation to maintain a steady ebb and flow of rage. It’s a constant game of hitting your buttons. Rarely should you ever not have a button to fill a GCD on prot
Keep this “ebb and flow” mentality in all content that you do, and you’ve got down one of the biggest hurdles that new prot warriors tend to struggle with
rocky gust
thanks so much for the feedback, i pretty much do most of it already tbh 🙂
waxen orbit
That’s good! How are you managing your Shield Wall, Last Stand, and Demoralizing Shout, if you don’t mind my asking? Being proactive for damage with those abilities is pretty much the only other major part of prot warrior that really crosses my mind right now
mighty valley
with those basics down, being good at m+ is mostly about CD usage and learning a hundred little things about all the mobs and pulls in all the dungeons
rocky gust
LS in case im out of SB cd at least 4 seconds
demo shout on cooldown basically
shield wall if i can anticipate major pain but not sure really when is the time to use it
can probably use it more frequently than i currently do
mighty valley
yeah you start to know the pulls that are going to hurt and can plan SW for them
waxen orbit
shield wall if i can anticipate major pain but not sure really when is the time ...
Most of that just comes with experience or warnings, so you’ll get that part down
Last Stand I’d say use it definitely in those situations, but on boss fights use it the same way you use Shield Wall, as an anticipation of a large spike of damage
The higher you climb in keys, you’ll want to use Last Stand like that too
mighty valley
being out of SB should be really rare and only be at the end of packs if you're doing reprisal well
teal swift
waxen orbit
teal swift
blazing condor
regal glen
Lmao good one
mighty valley
LMAO
teal swift
Captain disillusion has a saying.
And it changed my life.
Love with your heart. Use your head for everything else.
teal swift
Gn friends.
blazing condor
Gn
summer wing
So have got Rerpisal rank 3 boots on my 235 prot warrior, and I want to upgrade the legendary.... should I still go for Reprisal boots rank 6 for next patch?
I play only m+ on thsi toon.
blazing condor
i would imagine that 2 legendary powers > 1 legendary power no matter the ilvl but you got a lot of time to get both
reprisal will still be your best leggo for m+
strong forum
Safe play to avoid Recrafting, in the event of getting set legs, would be to stick to boots
Since afaik set can be on Helm shoulders chest gloves and legs
summer wing
yes boots is safe right?
aka only problem is the costs as I dont know any crafter, boots are 144k and legs 100k..... not a good server.
strong forum
Damn
I'd just wait until 9.2 then
That's Hella overpriced
And jump straight to w/e ilvl they'll be then
Skip the korthia crystal shit
blazing condor
dam i thought the question was about getting another leggo vs upgrading reprisal
i help
summer wing
yes going to wait a bit at least until I know more about the release date, dead server is bas news for the ah and I dont expect ti to change anytime soon
iblizz isnt listening to complaints about this situation.
blazing condor
Reading comprehension on the same level as your strafing skills I see
Implying it takes skill to actually push a button
I just choose not to do it cus im built differently 
And yes im seething rn
torpid fiber
is necrolord going to be the play for 9.2?
jagged pier
In raid yes in m+ no
torpid fiber
m+ still going to be kyrian?
jagged pier
Or nf
torpid fiber
sweet, tyvm!
is it safe to craft the wall in the back slot for 9.2? or will that interfere with tier set
jagged pier
U should have it on the back now, but u should be using reprisal
torpid fiber
okay. i remember hearing that we can get tier set gear from m+ in 9.2. is that true? also, sorry for all the questions. just trying to plan out my gear so i can hit the ground running
strong forum
Early on you can only get the tier set from raid and from vault drops
Later down the line you will be able to somehow turn normal loot into set pieces
ancient tinsel
Anyone here has the DOS route for first pack skip with shroud to fire torment + mecha skip after
inland raft
Wait vault will drop tier from get go? Thought that was part if the catchup system that would come down the line?
mellow bridge
nah it CAN drop from the vault from the get go apparently
but well getting a specific piece from an m+ vault is uhh
a little bit unlikely
inland raft
Still slightly better then i expected
mellow bridge
it's worrying me a bit that the catchup system still isnt on the ptr
and we have no further details
probably gonna be half-assed ngl
jagged pier
well we have no release date yet
chilly brook
okay. i remember hearing that we can get tier set gear from m+ in 9.2. is that t...
I mean you’re going to be stuck without being able to start really gearing for 2 weeks when the patch drops
jagged pier
so dont start worrying yet
robust rover
aka only problem is the costs as I dont know any crafter, boots are 144k and leg...
So I just picked up my boots 262 for 60k real quick before this became overpriced on my server (boots were cheapest slot it seems). Thanks for the heads up, now I have some flexibility for 9.2
inland raft
Plus if you arent racing for world first or at least for top 100 it doesnt really matter, this patch will likely be every bit as long as the current one maybe even longer before 10.0 rolls out so no real rush
chilly brook
Plus if you arent racing for world first or at least for top 100 it doesnt reall...
Ye and all the gearing questions will likely have a pinned answer or FAQ answer as soon as the patch goes live so you’ll have 2 weeks of rep grinding/just generally twiddling your thumbs to figure out your gearing path
And since you’re limited by the new crafting pieces and materials for your max Ilvl Lego it’s not like recrafting right now is that valuable
waxen orbit
Anyone here has the DOS route for first pack skip with shroud to fire torment + ...
Do you still need?
jagged pier
uptime means nothing only blocked hits and that can only be tracked in logs
rocky gust
gotcha thank you!
jagged pier
but high as possible if u want to dumb it down
rocky gust
well i'm trying to figure out how much I've missed
jagged pier
u need logs for that
rocky gust
roger that
sick sentinel
i use skada because its alot like details or recount and can show approx how many attacks you blocked or absorbed or other
its not 100% accurate as logs but without logging, its the next best thing
jagged pier
if its not accurate it pointless
sick sentinel
if there was a way to split that into blockable attacks being blocked, it'd be better
jagged pier
oh u mean logs then because thats what it does
sick sentinel
it's like a highscore with the dps and im competing with my self
but for my avoidance
avodiance % go up, do good, blocked 800 hits last run, try to block 900 next run
reset it whenever run starts
scenic mural
What haste breakpoint are we aiming for now and in 9.2
jagged pier
40%
sick sentinel
watching vid about s3 affix encrypted with relic automa dudes
urban portal
There is
Nothing interesting about it
Know what a cube looks like
Focus the cube
Kill the cube
urban portal
👋
sick sentinel
depends the buff you want but sure, im positive wont go as it is, mob had no hp for 1 thing so it died at bad times, wasting buffs
2 effects same thing and some weird stealth MS thing, seems like throw shit at wall see what sticks
west walrus
Morning Yuzu!
blazing condor
its weird to say that i think pride is gonna be this expansions best seasonal
sick sentinel
i hated pride
west walrus
Meddle all you like, mortals, you only delay the inevitable
teal swift
its weird to say that i think pride is gonna be this expansions best seasonal
I loved pride....
blazing condor
It was ass because it restricted routing like crazy
teal swift
Not keen on tormentors.
blazing condor
one extra mob gets pulled and your whole route and pride timing is fucked
teal swift
Pride buff was actually really fun
west walrus
Best affix ever: BfA season 4 👀
teal swift
one extra mob gets pulled and your whole route and pride timing is fucked
I mean, don't fucking pull extra shit
urban portal
It happens
blazing condor
4head
blazing condor
therefore ass
teal swift
Idgaf if it made pugging hard, organized group had no issues.
I managed to ksm in like Jan or some shit
Before valour and all the nerfs
sick sentinel
could have and would have but i stopped giving a shit
i had done a bunch of them on 15s timed season 1
teal swift
"could have but didn't" has no real bearing. Weird flex. I could have CE, but I don't wanna leave my group. Means basically nothin
urban portal
And why don't you have ksm this season yogi
blazing condor
lay off my man yogi
sick sentinel
linguini sanguini
mighty valley
Seems like the affix could be interesting to me, choices around routing or getting buffs to nuke packs
If it makes it to live with no mana restore that'll be tough on some healers
blazing condor
Yeah it remains to be seen for sure
im optimistic
as long as it won't become very wonky with a lot of skipping > backtracking to e.g. get a buff before a boss
and stuff
lofty widget
doesnt every boss have the 3 relics atm?
blazing condor
oh i didnt know
tbh i havent looked at it AT ALL
if so then kewl
necessary but cool
solid granite
every boss and every third-ish pack
mighty valley
feel like they should be less free to kill but we'll see if tuning happens
urban portal
Yeah it's like 89k hp to pop the cube
dawn canyon
I wouldnt mind easier elite mobbers
urban portal
They need more HP so the other ones don't die accidentally
lofty widget
can you cleave the cubes?
urban portal
Yea
They die instantly
You only want the cube and nothing else
Honestly
It's not even op if you get all 3 buffs
chilly brook
one extra mob gets pulled and your whole route and pride timing is fucked
Just don't have that issue
Alternatively learn what mobs you can skip after
urban portal
I just wanna play the game and not open up mdt every time
blazing condor
i mean obviously thats what you did @chilly brook
but having to do the maths was shit at first
especially when its the pugs who pull
urban portal
I just wanna hold w through a 15
blazing condor
and you sit there with MDT trying to fix it
mighty valley
idk i've been doing these same dungeons on and off for a year, a little variance wouldn't hurt
simply don't pug, all problems solved
blazing condor
and sometimes you cant fix it and its just "ok fuck it then we'll get pride before this one pack with 3 mobs on a 20 tyr"
sick sentinel
i dont think so, but hungering drain is everyone can interupt or just tank
mighty valley
is that sanguine first boss
if so everyone
patty cake is the only tank-specific interrupt
sick sentinel
says everyone died at 1minute to hungering drain
sick sentinel
only other damage on them was 1 essence absorbtion
they all died pretty much same time
dawn canyon
Shouldnt happen idk
modern brook
i dont think so, but hungering drain is everyone can interupt or just tank
Pattycake is the only tank specific kick in dungeons atm
modern brook
Honestly the only difference is 3 to 4 people can't disappoint you this time
robust rover
i just need to be less bad
Focus macro kick. Simple and saves a ton of issues.
urban portal
they are all trolls
teal swift
How? LOL
urban portal
he taunted off
distant crystal
I think the tank was just far away
like charged off to a clone right before cast
urban portal
u heard me
mellow bridge
Yeah if the tank is far enough away it will cast on someone else
Who then has to kick it themselves
teal swift
Mika
lone eagle
For Necro banner simp I mean 😆
sick sentinel
still hoping they refund item / ashes for covenant leggos you already made
sick sentinel
well it costs gold 100k which i lik half a wow token
urban portal
they arent gonna return items
sick sentinel
50k-100k, for a 262, can't see why you'd not and craft 235 or lower
10$ irl money white item
urban portal
because its tied intrinsically to the economy
if you could refund both items and ash
then you just craft every leggo under the sun
just refund it when ur bored
teal swift
10$ irl money white item
No one will buy 262s
So what u gonna do with jt??? Recraft???
sick sentinel
im not current with whats on the ptr
sick sentinel
278 was a number i heard thrown around regarding ilvl
sick sentinel
yeah, i'm clueless now
sick sentinel
well leggos are already high ilvl than everything else anyways, they always cap out at highest possible i mean
teal swift
well leggos are already high ilvl than everything else anyways, they always cap ...
Genuinely though if they refunded the item, we would be facing a very different crisis
sick sentinel
i'd say it would hav eto be limited for sure
teal swift
Its just bad form
sick sentinel
couldnt trade it, one use only
teal swift
for the economy
and the crafters
The momenbt it affects sales
the entire machine gets crushed
like on A52, we have tens of thousands of korthite crystals
being transfered to the server, paying real money
just to keep up with demand for 262 leggos
If it wasnt for the cartels, everything wouldve stalled, prices would be 500k each rn. And if there is no incentive to move materials that quickly, the people transfering guild banks full from other servers would be slowed as well and probably not even done
The legendary items need to remain single use
or we could have very real issues on our hands.
sick sentinel
I just don't understand how they say crafting is going to be saved, and its worse than ever level blacksmithing and then you can only craft a single tiny green shield,, and a small handful of weapons, or items that should be green or purple quality are blue or white
teal swift
I just don't understand how they say crafting is going to be saved, and its wors...
wdym saved?
Theres nothing wrong with crafting, other than the massive investment to get your rank 4s
mighty valley
legendaries is the only relevant thing crafting makes, you're suggesting taking that away from them with refunds
teal swift
I'd like legion alchemy back
Other than that, crafting is in a very good place right now.
sick sentinel
like, there should always be leveling green patterns that crafters can use and trade among themselves, up to blue or whatever
teal swift
There are
??? you dont make legendary bases until youre maxed
My issue is, in the process of making thye professions good, they gave a lot of at tention to all of them
but alchemy was in a pretty depressing state
being a scribe, margins are massive. I make huge gold buying herbs for really cheap, and milling for like 8h
mighty valley
we just invested in guild folks being able to make the most common legendaries
teal swift
but for all of the actual crafting professions, this has been the most relevant they've been in YEARS.
mighty valley
so we don't need to pay huge prices on AH
mighty valley
yeah
mighty valley
no, emerald dream horde
teal swift
Damn
I was gonan get your help
LOL
But yeah, alchemy is in a depressing place
with shit margins
and no RNG to fix the shit margins
teal swift
alchemy is fine
That passive is good
But i'[d like to see it return to legion alchemy
where you invest, to make bigger profits
not spend 17k gold max it out, and craft some oils and wait for them to sell
mighty valley
the profession content in legion with nice, felt like more a part of your character
teal swift
I took huge margins in alchemy, but it was always secondary to scribe, just because the profits were small
mighty valley
but i get why they don't always do that
teal swift
the profession content in legion with nice, felt like more a part of your charac...
100%, I liked that it took millions of gold sometimes
to get your rank 3s
but if you made those investments
you'd be filthy rich
I know a person who ran herb + alchemy and managed to farm their way to 8 gold caps.
sick sentinel
I do professions almost entirely to be able to provide stuff to players in guild or for some power gain
couldn't give a fuck less about gold making off it, its a secondary objective once i get invovled with making tons of items over and over and learn what people want and what materials made to get them why it sucks to farm that
mighty valley
yeah i don't really have the kind of brain that likes just playing the auction house or farming a lot
sick sentinel
tons of times i can remember and having random people want something made over many years or lock boxes opened on rogue, thats a big one
teal swift
yeah i don't really have the kind of brain that likes just playing the auction h...
We have several goblins in my guild
im a slut for TSM
Our Cutest and most special goblin
gave me 100 augment runes for xmas 😄
mighty valley
i got into it briefly in legion when i was one of the few jewelcrafters on a small realm and i could just double my money every time i sat around prospecting + cutting + selling
mighty valley
then i dipped out of the game for a while but that money fueled me til now basically lol
teal swift
I buy herbs
sick sentinel
as long as the gold that comes in covers flask, aug, food, other enhancements, and gold number go up at end of night, don't really give a shit
mighty valley
i'm max inscription, guess i could do some of that
teal swift
100-200% profit
mighty valley
will probably wait til next patch when demand picks up
teal swift
I'd buy my herbs at like 330am
I had a chart
of when certain bots
would mass post
and certain bots set it to undercut
by several gold
so i'd get m y deathblossom at 4-5g each
LOL
Mill value was 11.88g
And then i could convert the ink to legacy ink shuffles
and just basically mass sell it all
sick sentinel
i just remember figuring out that i could buy frost lotus and whatever the other herb was for my paladin who was an alch for way way way fucking cheaper than i could sell it for
teal swift
and then mass craft missives
Anyone can learn how to make gold though
Its really nice to get passive income rolling
sick sentinel
the lotus cost me like maybe 2-8 gold, and then the other herb cost like i dunno less than 2 gold for that, and then 50 s for the glass bottle at vendor
sold them bastards for 20-25-30g
teal swift
in WOTLK
I was a dumb teenager
I was alliance
on a small realm
but I managed
to find out little timmies spawn
and almost every day after school
i'd go buy a white kitten, and sell for 500g at booty bay
LOL
sick sentinel
made a shit load of money off that, and the other thing i made a fuck load of gold off of was mining and engineer rogue
you rmember the cutthroat ring patrol for ore in sholazar basin?
mighty valley
my best money making scheme ever was back in tbc, when i seemed to be the only person on the server who realized that cloth prices had dipped so low, you could make money by buying out the whole AH and turning it into bandages and just... vendoring them
sick sentinel
i remember i'd go there and without fail there'd be at least 5 people all flying along the out side ring, trying to ninja loot peoples ore viens
i got smart to it and started doing the motes, because those turned into fire and thre was a garunteed spot for one to drop at the north, dropped like 5 motes, and eternal fire was big money
thats whre i got gold for epic flying
austere forum
How often should I be pressing Ignore Pain?
sick sentinel
if you think you will take magic damage/unblockable
austere forum
thanks 🙂
mighty valley
mostly use it when you're going to overcap rage
graceful stump
does anybody know anything about necrolord for 9.2? heard it's gonna be okay
hardy ridge
Will nf be better defensively next tier since its covenant lego improves rage gen of aa while kyr only adds damage
left temple
Maybe but if you really wanted extra rage gen you'd probably be better playing Necro
ionic fern
does anybody know anything about necrolord for 9.2? heard it's gonna be okay
Yes, NL is looking really promising with double Legendaries and our Tier set as things stand currently. 🙂
graceful stump
Yes, NL is looking really promising with double Legendaries and our Tier set as ...
cheers brotha : )
urban portal
Will nf be better defensively next tier since its covenant lego improves rage g...
Rage doesn't covert into survival THAT well for prot
Like on pull you'll be overflowing with rage
Unless you are in a 25 or so where your ignore pain is getting melted
When I do my 20s my ignore pain cap out for almost 10 seconds
And that's me spending revenge hard and yet I still have too much rage
teal swift
Gn friends
blazing condor
👋
ancient tinsel
Anyone has the HOA route including the miniboss skip (with sac)
for mdt
uncut juniper
Did someone raidtest or has any info if we can leap over Dausegne's halo mechanic?
i assume not.
shut summit
I tried once and got hit, didn't extensively test though
mellow bridge
havent tried it with warr specifically, but i couldnt do it on dh
jagged pier
please dont tell me its another painsmith orb thing have to time it right
that would be
gaunt dawn
all that stuff got fixed
from first test
could double jump as DH & gateway on heroic test
on mythic test I couldnt
but could be my latency to US servers also
modern brook
u literally just have to jump first. - its always jump first every time this comes up
modern brook
robust rover
I may only be finishing my 20 keys and don't "need" it, but I will miss the Aegis next patch when it eventually is replaced. Feels like I leaned on it hard for larger, scary pulls, especially Fort weeks. RDM, while I've been happy with it, won't phase me to lose it as I already replace it at times for Tyr weeks at least.
mellow bridge
we honestly might not even replace a 252 aegis
depends on how good the new trinkets will end up being
modern brook
It'll likely get replaced w/ the m+ scaled trinkets from the mega dungeon
defense matrix specifically
but also bag
jagged pier
bad got nerfed hard
modern brook
Game sucks
nothing is fun
blizzard is terrible
see me in halo
world of halo when
😠
jagged pier
that is infinite
patent osprey
Aegis is too good atm to replace
There would have to be an even more busted Defensive slot trinket
OWS/2nd trinket will get replaced with one of the new ones, or just a upgraded ilvl scale
jagged pier
codex
modern brook
grim?
jagged pier
just dont
modern brook
im also considering unsubbing due to bag nerfs
jagged pier
my friend logged in last night with gold ask what there was to do i told him
he logged off
modern brook
this patch is just dog shit for anyone who wasnt playing the whole patch
blazing condor
I play sub-roulette instead. I commit tax frauds and see how long i can keep playing before they terminate my subscription
modern brook
like even with a dedicated gear group you're looking at a month of gearing minimum
chilly brook
this patch is just dog shit for anyone who wasnt playing the whole patch
TFW my lock is now as geared as my warrior
jagged pier
if i wasnt raiding i wouldnt be playing the game
modern brook
same 😦 we're really close to CE now 😄
jagged pier
literally every week i pray we get the clear done on a wednesday
so i dont need to log in
sick sentinel
chilly brook
I’m kinda leaning towards just playing FFXIV until 9.2 verdict is out
ionic fern
Lost Ark for me.
jagged pier
play horizon atm and next god of war or elden ring
but we all know 9.2 coming outat the same time as elden
sick sentinel
i tried 14 to lvl 14, and rs to lvl 14 basically
more like, 40 attack/str, went to wilderness and found it was 100% dead
people cook fishy they catch at river, drop em, never had to leave
long as you could tank the mobs nearby infinite free training, so that RS thing took period literal in like less than 6 hours played
more like, waiting for gamepass room for me
mighty valley
I’m kinda leaning towards just playing FFXIV until 9.2 verdict is out
in the current community mood, 9.2 could give you a million dollars and your favorite kind of cake and the verdict would still be "bad"
waxen orbit
That’s what happens when you abuse the trust and love of your community for 3 years
mighty valley
eh, i think there have been ups and downs for sure but the echo chamber has exaggerated this shit so wildly
if you'd been abused for three years either you'd stop playing or you have to admit you're an addict lmao
waxen orbit
Never said anyone was “abused” playing the game. I’m talking about the love and trust the community had for the game and the way ActiBlizz abused that trust and love
chilly brook
if you'd been abused for three years either you'd stop playing or you have to ad...
I think both are accurate lol
waxen orbit
Saying it’s “just an echo chamber” is a bad take tbh
chilly brook
plenty of people left, people who still are here on some level just really like one aspect of the game and are only here for it
waxen orbit
^
mighty valley
Saying it’s “just an echo chamber” is a bad take tbh
it's pretty important that I didn't say "just"
there have been bad decisions and some stagnation but the loudest part of the community is in an unhealthy death spiral where they wildly exaggerate flaws and can't enjoy anything good
honestly like, wow is approaching 20 years old, of course they bleed out players over time. they aren't doing themselves any favors with some decisions, and it could do with another bit of a refresh like legion, but
waxen orbit
The community’s concerns have been essentially ignored for the better part of 3 years on nearly every issue that’s arisen. Borrowed power? Blizz tells fans that it’s necessary and it’s here to stay even if they don’t like it. Promises not to repeat the constant production of new daily rep grinds every single patch? Promises broken. Promises to listen to the community? Once again — promises, for the most part, broken. MadSeason has an excellent video detailing this
There’s a reason for the backlash. This isn’t just wanton anger; it has a reason for existing
That right there is a great analysis of the rise and fall that I’m talking about
mighty valley
their communication is not good, but A) "the community" needs to understand that people who post a lot are not reflective of average WoW players, and B) "the community" isn't game designers and needs to understand that whatever bandwagon issue they hop on isn't necessarily good design just because they all yell about it
also like, so much of what people whine about was true when wow was in its "heyday" but people see that shit with rose colored glasses
"borrowed power" is the absolute worst meme
gear is borrowed power
expansions need to add stuff for variety, but if you never take anything away, the game gets hypercomplex
waxen orbit
If you think that gear counts as borrowed power, you don’t have an idea what borrowed power is
chilly brook
their communication is not good, but A) "the community" needs to understand that...
I mean on the topic of A & B you had a lot of high end content creators telling them exactly what was wrong, doing their homework for them and then being burned by it and then 2 years later Blizz acknowledges and fixes the problem
ionic fern
Borrowed power isn't a "big" issue. It's the way they make you obtain it..e.g Timegating/infinity farm etc.
mighty valley
do not talk to me about "high end content creators" when fucking asmongold is the highest end content creators for wow lmao
mighty valley
Borrowed power isn't a "big" issue. It's the way they make you obtain it..e.g Ti...
agreed
chilly brook
do not talk to me about "high end content creators" when fucking asmongold is th...
Preach? kekw
waxen orbit
do not talk to me about "high end content creators" when fucking asmongold is th...
And as much as Asmongold is a controversial character and has plenty of bad takes outside of WoW, he’s pretty spot-on in his criticisms of WoW
Preach, Limit Max, Bellular, MadSeasonShow, I mean, take your pick; you got a pumpkin patch full of creators that detailed the issues
chilly brook
Preach literally called every problem with expansions as soon as they're announced practically, talked about why they were problems and gave detailed feedback on multitudes of occasions
mighty valley
max literally tells people that "borrowed power" is a stupid meme all the time
waxen orbit
max literally tells people that "borrowed power" is a stupid meme all the time
Yes, and I still believe he makes good points because people are allowed to have different opinions lol
mighty valley
that's my point, they are all points of view to listen to but they're not a unified front that game developers have to agree with
waxen orbit
It’s not about agreeing, it’s about listening and addressing
Griff made a good point
mighty valley
the content creators are part of the same echo chamber, which means they're right sometimes, but they're also incentivized to amplify negativity to get clicks
chilly brook
I mean....homeboi is literally being paid to be a consultant on competitors now
lol
mighty valley
i'm saying i agree that they're right sometimes for sure! and there have been some major missteps! but because of the content creation model, they (probably mostly unconsciously) shape community sentiment to be obsessed with problems
because "wow this thing was really fun" doesn't get traction
ionic fern
That's also to be blamed on the community tho. 😄
chilly brook
Trust me, I didn't need any shaping to be annoyed with conduits, soulbinds and covenants
mighty valley
That's also to be blamed on the community tho. 😄
yeah it's a feedback loop
ionic fern
"Oh, my favourite streamer/YT'er said it used to be way better even tho i have no idea since i never played it so it must be true".
chilly brook
because "wow this thing was really fun" doesn't get traction
I mean, again preach has loads of videos pointing out the good and fun stuff?
blazing condor
its all subjective anyway people look back at their "first" expansions and are like "yeah thats the best one"
i loved cata but that xpac got a lot of shit
chilly brook
His initial views on torghast were even positive
Until blizz changed it into something no one asked for
sick sentinel
shareholders did
waxen orbit
There are still issues that the majority of the community is united on lol
chilly brook
There are still issues that the majority of the community is united on lol
ripcord lol
blazing condor
depends on what part of the community
mighty valley
*the majority of the vocal forum/reddit community
blazing condor
i would say asmongolds crow is kind of unrepresentative of the playerbase
waxen orbit
Name one fucking person that likes rep grinding daily for power LOL
blazing condor
my mom 🙂
mighty valley
i know a lot of them
waxen orbit
Tf
ionic fern
There are a TON of people doing literally ANY content you can think of.
mighty valley
people like little chores that give them things, remember the entire facebook game era?
blazing condor
people who play competitively hate the game which is understandable but thats like 1% of the community
waxen orbit
people like little chores that give them things, remember the entire facebook ga...
Oh yeah Draenor? Where we lost like 4 million players
mighty valley
no i mean. literal facebook games