but is it good
#protection
west walrus
8 seconds ? This is one free every 240 rage spent, or every avatar
mellow bridge
which you will be able to generate in give or take 10s with double leggo and 4p
strong forum
Llarold had 17cpm on IP
kind gyro
what covenant is looking good? we are most likely running multiple boomies again. So i am looking to play Necro most likely. But kyrian seems quite good dps wise?
mellow bridge
depends for what
kind gyro
raiding
mellow bridge
in raid Necro will be bis probably
kind gyro
yeah, 400 mastery is no joke tbh
mellow bridge
Kyr is more of an AoE dmg thing with EM
while necro will give you basically permanent 400 mast, 20% strength and more consistent rage gain
strong forum
NF / Kyr are the 2 best covs for m+
First strike and Mikanikos are OP
And they also have good cov legendaries
kind gyro
yeah, i can imagine night fae doing very well. not only is the power good, but the movement blink has very good synergy with reprisel charge
strong forum
I don't think you'd ever use soulshape for charge weaving but I could be wrong, have never played NF myself
west walrus
I don't think you'd ever use soulshape for charge weaving but I could be wrong, ...
Sometimes I do
Soulshape + charge
strong forum
Good on bosses I guess
west walrus
Hmm, on bosses we have several opportunities to get away and charge
kind gyro
i enjoyed it haha, it felt pretty cool. only did some 17ish tho. still really low geared lol
gives you another option besides leap or intervene to start kiting. as intervene doesnt really feel worth it to use to start kiting
west walrus
Depends on your casters position
kind gyro
but going out on intervene will always mean you "waste" a reprisal proc right?
strong forum
Nothing worse than using intervene to get out, to charge back in
You're wasting like 2sec of the gained SB from intervene
Ontop of wasting a revenge proc
kind gyro
yeah that was the same i was thinking
on paper prot warrior feels really good, and tanky as hell
especially in keys, havent really tested out mythic raiding yet
strong forum
Mythic raiding isn't really hard on tanks tbh
It's all just "know where to use your CDs"
I myself have never had issues raiding as pwar
oblique garnet
Play necro to buff those enha shamans 
kind gyro
Mythic raiding isn't really hard on tanks tbh
unless its fights like sylvanas P3 haha
kind gyro
Play necro to buff those enha shamans <:deswind:533073964096946176>
hell yeah, enhance shamans becoming s tier for sure
oblique garnet
I mean i wasnt kidding
jagged pier
unless its fights like sylvanas P3 haha
thats literally fine
kind gyro
Not talking about cooldowns haha, judt that "some" tanks have struggles with pool managements
gentle trellis
i was just thinking.... could bv + uf + 2set be any good in 9.2? clapperbuild return?!
jagged pier
no
twilit jay
think were sticking to reprisal
oblique garnet
Clap will never return unless they revert bfa time nerfs to talent
strong forum
^
Think about it, even with a 200% buff to TC it only hits for 3k
When kegsmash from monk will hit over 20k
That's the reality we live in
strong forum
Revenge is like 2k ish
The only things similar to revenge are I guess heartstrike and swipe?
sick sentinel
HS is alot like revenje in some ways
oblique garnet
Revenge slaps like 5k
strong forum
Only if you equip seismic and have 3+ targets
And crit
The only spells for us that hit 5k or harder are spear initial hit, AA, execute and SS
prisma dove
is this trinket good https://www.wowhead.com/item=186433/reactive-defense-matrix defensively and offensively in dungeons?
blazing condor
Very good
lime urchin
Equip it and don’t look back
blazing condor
not that id know 
jagged pier
KEKW
lime urchin
mellow bridge
KEKWait
mellow bridge
JB is such a happy boi because of the resto druid buffs 
ornate magnet
what are you guys averaging 20+ keys?
damage***
i feel like im doing low damage 😩
jagged pier
What damage are u doing?
jagged pier
Yer thats low
ornate magnet
yeah, think im using IP too much.
mellow bridge
yeah that's way too low
it does vary from dungeon to dungeon obv but in no key should you be that low at that keylevel
ornate magnet
What are you guys averaging though? Just so I have an idea. 6-8k?
blazing condor
8-10k but i only do skyhold weeklies 
jagged pier
yer but thats siesmic funnies most ppl will run rep in 20s
waxen orbit
Seismic is a lego for meme keys. Should hit like 10k minimum with that but that’s probably not too important to a +20 where I assume this guy is talking about using reprisal (edit: I just went back and realized I sounded semi-hostile in this message, so disregard that; not my intent lmao)
@ornate magnet if you post a vod or something I can probably give feedback. I got a chunk of free time rn
blazing condor
it would be 10k+ but the other 4 pwarrs are slacking 
jagged pier
@ionic fern im done with raid
sick sentinel
i feel like revenje should do double or triple (criticals only?) to your primary target and normal to rest
because, revenge is 9/10 times personal
lime urchin
I am trying to make a mouseover charge macro with intervene on a mod key
does anyone have that?
(and hamstring in it as well)
sick sentinel
i just do the normal mouseover macro charge+inter on 4 and the Q for mouse over intervcept
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [@mouseover,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
could be wrong
lime urchin
I made this:
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help] intervene; charge
/cast hamstring
works like a charm
jagged pier
necro reprisal kinda popping not gunna lie
jagged pier
it was a 16
that warlock had a 2.3k io alt
but he couldnt use hit pet to pull the tormentor through the door
i smell boost
chilly brook
Tbf idk how to do it
Target boss
Hit attack
Let it die or put on passive after it hits boss
Profit
sick sentinel
that's how i did it in that nyalotha day one raid
bound every hunter ability to as well use pet attack
cuz bm is as long as your pets are at the boss attacking you are doing great dps
slow birch
What is the point of reprisal? It offers decent damage, mobility, and gives free sheild blocks. However, the blocks dont last long. Defensively, is it optimal to stagger your charges and intervenes for when your shield block spell is cast than to prioritize intervenes and charges?
chilly brook
What is the point of reprisal? It offers decent damage, mobility, and gives free...
Block is your most important defensive?
sick sentinel
well, whenever i did this raid, i was doing top dps with it every fight, any player hunter ability i had told it to do pet attack after for 2 reasons, to get them to boss and to start attacking to maximize my dps
then just rotation
chilly brook
It's a fairly large increase in overall block uptime @slow birch
sick sentinel
nobody wanted to kick me cuz we were killing shit
slow birch
Block is your most important defensive?
I never said that i have no idea where that came from.
slow birch
is charge cd more imporant than shield block cd?
chilly brook
Reprisal specifically
chilly brook
is charge cd more imporant than shield block cd?
Why not both?
You don't want to sit on 2 shield block charges just like you don't want to leave 2 charges of charges up.
modern brook
Sb duration stacks to 18s
Unless you're literally chaining 2 charges an intervention and both your stacks
You're not hitting thay
sick sentinel
the idea is also too it removes the awkward situation of the global following when you've charged and arrived at enemy
you normally instnatly want to do a shield slam from this but it gets more dps through having SB
chilly brook
The only time you hold shield block is when you know something big is coming and you need block for it and won't have another charge available or can't charge/intervene
slow birch
Sb duration stacks to 18s
interesitng. i didnt know that
chilly brook
Reprisal is huge rage too
slow birch
the idea is also too it removes the awkward situation of the global following wh...
that makes sense
modern brook
What is the point of reprisal? It offers decent damage, mobility, and gives free...
Reprisal is good cause it's like 900 free rage
chilly brook
So sitting on charges and intervene is kneecapping your rage
modern brook
You get 20 raw, a free revenge and a free 2/3ish of a sb
modern brook
Numbers might be off remembering things is for stormforgeds but that's the concept
chilly brook
Yes
modern brook
Over the course of a fight/dungeon
And assuming you're actually charge weaving and intervening
Yes
chilly brook
Free revenge=20 rage+ chance to reset shield slam
An extra 20 rage from charging and 20 rage from intervene which you didn't get rage for if running the wall
It's big stonks
slow birch
It definetly feels weird to get defensiveness from running around so it always felt weird to use.
modern brook
The extended sb uptime is also way more relevant in most situations than the cdr on sw
chilly brook
You'd have to do 4 shield slams to get the free revenge aspect alone
slow birch
But the amount of rage generated convinces me that its probably optimal in fights where you dont need shield wall
chilly brook
Not counting the extra rage from charging
modern brook
But the amount of rage generated convinces me that its probably optimal in fight...
If there's blockable damage in the fight reprisal is your best defensive legendary period
chilly brook
But the amount of rage generated convinces me that its probably optimal in fight...
Even without the extra rage itd be more optimal
urban portal
true
chilly brook
If you're not boss tank in p3 shield wall is huge
sick sentinel
don't underestimate how strong SW can be too if you are coming from a class with your main 30%+ DR at like 3-5 minutes
its really really strong considering its universal -40%
and a very short CD
you'd be surprised what you can live through if you use it right and your other main abilities correctly
chilly brook
It's only very short if running the wall and am
modern brook
so now
chilly brook
But blocked hits add up to be far more mitigation overall if you can block
sick sentinel
everyone either is or will be running AM soon shrug, and probably rep+glory for me but
modern brook
We're moving into the concepts of opprotunity costs
where yes; having a way low CD on SW is great and all
but unless the fight requires you to have a 40% DR every X seconds
chilly brook
everyone either is or will be running AM soon shrug, and probably rep+glory for ...
We already use AM, but The Wall not so much
modern brook
where X is a number attainable with am + wall, but not attainable with just AM
sick sentinel
AM has become like devestator, its just weird to NOT take it now
slow birch
Here's another question: When mitigating magic damage burst (like hearseeker or big stacks of banshees bane), what CDs are appropriate? spell reflect, sure, and ignore pain but generally these things might not save you from heartseeker. Would it be justified to pop wall?
modern brook
you're either a) not getting as many casts off SW off as you could be, which defeats the purpose of running things for CDR
chilly brook
Here's another question: When mitigating magic damage burst (like hearseeker or ...
Yes
modern brook
or b) not using SW effectively
which defeats the purpose of our major personal defensive
blazing condor
Here's another question: When mitigating magic damage burst (like hearseeker or ...
Wall/aegis is good
modern brook
contrast that with running the thing the just gives us more of all the things we need to stay active while tanking
chilly brook
And the only reason I'm running the wall is because p3 kicks my ass as the non sylvanas tank
Magic damage through the roof
chilly brook
Ye
modern brook
I dont raid tank cause im not a dork
slow birch
I come from playing tanks that dont need externals on the heartsekers xd
so im trying to rationalize the necesities of the prot warrior
i guess prot warriors are OKAY at mitigating magic damage since they dont need to be actively tanking to generate resources to mitigate magic damage
like hitting for shield wall cd, rage for ignore pain
modern brook
How often are p3 heart seekrs?
slow birch
there's an order but they're pretty often
chilly brook
You don't "need" externals
But your healers are sure as hell going to love you a lot more if you ask for them when you don't have anything to cover big bursts
slow birch
yeah I agree. In prog externals are lifesaving
chilly brook
It also helps cut down on random deaths
slow birch
Even in farm
but DKs and monks dont necesarily have to call for externals on heartseekers; for banshee soaks yes, though
Do you find that prot warrior needs mmore externals on average?
slow birch
How often are p3 heart seekrs?
Plat1: Bane arrows -> veil -> fury -> Raze
Plat2: Arrow -> heartseekerx2 -> scream -> veil -> fury -> Arrow -> Veil -> Raze
Plat3: Fury -> 2x heartseeker -> scream -> heartseeker -> arrow -> heartseekers -> fury -> veil -> raze
Plat4: arrows -> fury -> Heartseeker -> scream -> heartseekers -> Arrow
chilly brook
But it varies boss by boss, I don't feel like I need externals on 99% of any of the bosses in the raid except sylvanas
teal swift
chilly brook
Normal and heroic sylvanas I don't feel like I need anything external wise tbh
Yes but usually before damage comes in and as a rage generator not as an actual traditional CD
Like "I'm 20 seconds off shield wall being back up and heartseeker is in 7 seconds"
jagged pier
I come from playing tanks that dont need externals on the heartsekers xd
if u need externals for heartseeker your playing wrong
slow birch
if u need externals for heartseeker your playing wrong
hence why I'm seeking advice on the tank which I know minimal about Sylvanas CD planning
teal swift
@jagged pier 🫂
teal swift
Hii :3
slow birch
literally SB SR is enough for the first 3
what is SR?
jagged pier
aegis or SW is enough for 6 stacks
slow birch
spell reflect
jagged pier
spell reflect
slow birch
i see
jagged pier
in last phase i dont even pay attention to heartseeker as i just use cds around how many stacks im on
slow birch
Like "I'm 20 seconds off shield wall being back up and heartseeker is in 7 secon...
like you use it to generate rage and thus reduce CD of your SW before the damage comes in that you need to mitigate?
slow birch
in last phase i dont even pay attention to heartseeker as i just use cds around ...
Interesting. So in fights with heavy DoT damage where SB mitigates enough of the blockable damage you plan your CDS, as a warrior, around the dots
jagged pier
well as the dot is magic damage yes
slow birch
Is there a blockable dot after its been applied?
distant crystal
don't think those exist
distant crystal
unless you're a protpally 
slow birch
prot pally so good 😦
chilly brook
like you use it to generate rage and thus reduce CD of your SW before the damage...
Yes
slow birch
very pog thanks for the info boyos
stark sage
blazing condor
blazing condor
Good
waxen orbit
stark sage
weebs out
modern brook
but this doesnt get a weeb out
sweet summit
weebs out
modern brook
smh
waxen orbit
The only anime I’ve ever watched is Naruto
modern brook
liar
sweet summit
hop in @modern brook
modern brook
hop in <@!204081428869283843>
bro i shadow your spotify constantly
dense cradle
psure my rio thing
distant crystal
the only anime i've ever watched is Darkwing Duck
dense cradle
is gachi
waxen orbit
OH and I watched Princess Mononononononoke or whatever it’s called during a guild movie night
blazing condor
Gachi >>>> weeb shit
strong forum
Everyone post your IO profile descriptions
isnt that from lazel
waxen orbit
isnt that from lazel
Yeah I bummed it from them
blazing condor
Looks like its from yuri
waxen orbit
waxen orbit
My guardian druid bio is literally just a bait message to get angry whispers
dense cradle
lmao what is it
waxen orbit
KEK
jagged pier
imagine actually putting anything in your description
modern brook
hot
teal swift
Vulpera ofc
waxen orbit
Uhhhh Yuzu you wanna talk about it?
modern brook
If someone gets offended because someone else says "you're bad at world of warcraft"
they're bad at world of warcraft
dense cradle
bragging about io in general means i cant take someone seriously
waxen orbit
Imagine getting mad because someone talks shit on a spec that I could play with a garage door opener
stark sage
what if i'm just bad at world of warcraft
waxen orbit
what if i'm just bad at world of warcraft
Same
dense cradle
but i guess for the m+ only player that fails runs for 18 hours a day only to get it right one try
teal swift
what if i'm just bad at world of warcraft
Same
dense cradle
only has that to validate themselves
waxen orbit
but i guess for the m+ only player that fails runs for 18 hours a day only to ge...
Okay you didn’t need to call me out like that
KEK
teal swift
Warrior
waxen orbit
Yuzu it’s a push week, you could probably get some more 20s in this week
teal swift
Yuzu it’s a push week, you could probably get some more 20s in this week
Im on break for rest of season
im burnt out
waiting for 9.2
waxen orbit
Valid
strong forum
modern brook
smh not even true anymore
ionic fern
Filthy casual.
teal swift
I prefer raiding with my friends 🙂
waxen orbit
Simply because I can brain AFK and button mash during tank swaps
Counterpoint, baby 15s on alts with friends while everyone is high off their ass
blazing condor
M+ is more fun than raids
Pushing m+ (without a group) is ass
Pushing CE with a bad guild is ass
waxen orbit
Factual
blazing condor
M+ is more fun at most levels than raid is at most levels
Or rather
The non progress experience, be it raiderio or mythic, is more fun in m+ than raids
jagged pier
Its all subjective opinion, theres no point stating it ppl are just gunna agree or disagree and there aint gunna be no budging
Its basically saying my tmog is better than yours
teal swift
Its basically saying my tmog is better than yours
My tmog is better than yours
jagged pier
🤷
blazing condor
Yuzus tmog is better than jakeys
waxen orbit
My tmog is better than yours
My tmog is better than all of yours
So
¯_(ツ)_/¯
BIS warrior tmog
dense cradle
raiding in a bad guild is worse
strong forum
BIS warrior tmog
primal elite glad?
waxen orbit
primal elite glad?
I don't have the Optimus Prime armor unfortunately 😦
jagged pier
3 night hc guilds that still havent cleared yet :nodders:
jagged pier
primal elite glad?
Give me a piece of loot and ill try make a tmog with it
sick sentinel
i feel like 9 out of 10 guilds should be able to clear LFR 7/10 for normal, 5/10 for heroic 3/10 for mythic
most or all bosses, only last 2-3
sick sentinel
well, like that skill level of player should be able to do LFR
cuz i swear to god some people can't even do lfr
they get mad about dying to mechanics and then get kicked for doing low dps or bad healing
jagged pier
i feel like 9 out of 10 guilds should be able to clear LFR 7/10 for normal, 5/10...
If u can just only clear 5/10 heroic u aint clearing 3/10 mythic
sick sentinel
i mean that 90% of players should be able to do all/most of LFR, 70% normal 50% heroic 30% mythic
waxen orbit
If you can only clear 5/10 heroic this late into the tier you got bigger issues than mythic prog
jagged pier
U are over estimating player skill
dense cradle
most players are incredibly incompetent
jagged pier
Like less than 10% of player have done 15 in time
sick sentinel
what i mean is like 50% of the player base should stand a reasonable chance of killing it
jagged pier
No they dont
waxen orbit
Like less than 10% of player have done 15 in time
Uhhh 20% of players have KSM last I checked tho
jagged pier
Like not even 50% raid at any lvl
jagged pier
Uhhh 20% of players have KSM last I checked tho
20% of player that have done a m+
Not total players
jagged pier
That stat also takes in alts and stuff
Cause its chars not accounts
So
Stop over estimating players
waxen orbit
If only Blizz would finally report these stats
And simplify it
By account
But that would require reporting sub numbers and that's no bueno for shareholders
strong forum
last time i checked, with 2k score you were top 10% of all people who've done a key
:topkek
waxen orbit
KEK
strong forum
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
2.3k is like top 5%
jagged pier
Like there was a stat about like how many 60 chars there were that had been logged into during season 2 i account for like at least 60 of thoughs 60s in the stat
jagged pier
2.3k is like top 5%
waxen orbit
That's only by EU (I'm assuming) tho
strong forum
in NA its 2.1k for top 10%
jagged pier
Top 37% for 1500
waxen orbit
(This is a joke)
mighty valley
+5 for Normal Island
blazing condor
Gmt+1 gang
mighty valley
blizzard releasing all of their internal stats would just cause more gamers to have bad takes
teal swift
if youre westcoast add 8hrs +/-1
UK is +8 pretty much the rest is +9
strong forum
ELITISM
mighty valley
they should do better comms and explanations for things than they do but "here, you sort it out" would not help anyone lmao
strong forum
🙂
watch them only announce the m+ cutoff like in pvp
2 weeks before the season ends
mighty valley
2 week groupfinder nightmare
waxen orbit
I didn't need you to show me this
dense cradle
me to dps: okay u guys really have to do interupts this pack
socks and sandals is a crime in itself
dawn canyon
socks and sandals is a crime in itself
literally defines germans
you arent a true german boomer if you dont wear em together
sick sentinel
no, i'm not complaining about some key i just did and wiped us to
didn't do that yet
dawn canyon
yet
sick sentinel
well we all know that i'm gunna go fuck up some easy key some how
lofty widget
since when can we get crit?
distant crystal
what mob/boss was that
i was gonna say hit in the back but you blocked it i guess?
urban portal
since when can we get crit?
Could be like a guaranteed crit thing
lofty widget
sweet summit
???
sick sentinel
seems like he somehow got a critical melee possibly sitting down and group pulled for him got hit in back and crit
im looking at the guys log
distant crystal
it was blocked tho right
sweet summit
one of 2
lofty widget
it was 1 blocked and 1 unblocked, but im not smart enough to read logs
i just know which nubmers to lóok at
sick sentinel
32k white melee from tryanical trash sounds like not fun get deleted stuff lol
sweet summit
it was an unblocked crit
teal swift
@gaunt dawn
gaunt dawn
Howdy
gaunt dawn
What's up my little pogchamps
sweet summit
in a row
strong forum
The debuff
sweet summit
what about it
strong forum
He got crit hit whilst the debuff was up
sweet summit
it's just ticking damage + max hp reduction?
strong forum
Idk but he only got crit while this debuff was up
mighty valley
i can legit only imagine that Sit is still bound to some arcane key and it got fumblefingered
gaunt dawn
So
sick sentinel
poor guy got deleted
teal swift
Talking to mandl, he also insists that he must've sat down
lofty widget
i can legit only imagine that Sit is still bound to some arcane key and it got f...
it is a possibility, i still have sit bound to x, but i highgly doubt id do it twice in a row
sick sentinel
unbind that shit
sick sentinel
right now
strong forum
Binding
shut summit
he used invis belt, something happened and he pulled the gasbag, he sat and died and got rezzed
strong forum
Sit
sick sentinel
plz right now unbind that shit lol
gaunt dawn
I have sit bound
lofty widget
how else will i t bag my party when they die?
sick sentinel
not me
distant crystal
imagine not having sit bound
strong forum
My X key? Charge
Your X key? Death
sick sentinel
why u need sit button
distant crystal
oof
gaunt dawn
You need it to parse as a monk
sick sentinel
food is sit button for me
gaunt dawn
Sense is the real pogchamp here
sweet summit
ty sense u own
sick sentinel
why would i bind sit to something? even if i only hit it rarely
distant crystal
for the record yogi called it first
sick sentinel
i can't think of any scenario where it would be a good thing to do
distant crystal
jk it was Harrow
@sick sentinel someone in your party dies, you'd like to show them what you think about that
teal swift
why would i bind sit to something? even if i only hit it rarely
Sometimes you want to die faster during a wipe
distant crystal
you walk over to their corpse and spam x
teal swift
Saving time overall
shut summit
yup
stuck wraith
Ironically, my X is set to Shield Wall so the literal opposite of death.
gaunt dawn
Shame spells dont crit tho
distant crystal
Xav too
sick sentinel
if i want to die faster i just jump off ledge or stand in front do nothing stand in fire
gaunt dawn
When sat down
stuck wraith
If I wanna sit I type /sit
gaunt dawn
Found that out during bfa beta
When trying out some azerite shit on the last week of beta when they added it
stuck wraith
Doesn't that log you off? Lol
gaunt dawn
My favourite is when you open the mailbox
Type in panthea-tarrenmill
And send 200k gold
teal swift
makes a small cooking fire
Pitches a tent
gaunt dawn
Trust it works
distant crystal
then press COD
stuck wraith
I like typing "/e has reported you AFK. Type /afk to remove this marker." in a battleground.
gaunt dawn
I like /e spits on %t.
stuck wraith
I like /e spits on %t.
That, too!
stuck wraith
You can remove the /spit from the game but you can't remove the game from the /spit
strong forum
gaunt dawn
Only cowards report
stuck wraith
I once got a 24h mute from telling an elitist troll in a bg to stfu, even though he was flaming me for the entirety of the match.
strong forum
Worth
stuck wraith
It was really funny being in the next bg and I was sitting farm in AB and couldn't call incs in /i
gaunt dawn
I once got a 24h ban for transferring my character at the start of MoP
It had 4m gold
strong forum
I once- nvm I never got silenced or banned in any video game..
Fuck im too nice
teal swift
Lol?
teal swift
Meanwhile my friend has been warehousing tens of thousands of korthite crystals
ocean reef
stuck wraith
I got muted in RuneScape back in the day for telling this one female toon "You put the 'breast' in 'breastplate.'"
gaunt dawn
That's my story time over.
chilly brook
I had an epic gamer moment in Hellfire back in Wrath while leveling. Middle school brain + insults is a bad time. I think I got a week suspension
gaunt dawn
Back to doomsaying about prot warrior viability next tier.
stuck wraith
Prot warriors will never be trash.
teal swift
Prot warriors will never be trash.
Balance is closest it's ever been with prot being 6th worst tank
Out of 6.
gaunt dawn
Pretty sure during the faction champions encounter the prot warrior was pretty trash
The resto druid was a beast tho
stuck wraith
Balance is closest it's ever been with prot being 6th worst tank
Oh. Well, in that case, we were trash.
Lol
chilly brook
Prot warriors will never be trash.
Idk dude prot is in the dumpster rn tbh
Can't even do 20s
teal swift
Even in BFA prot was bad.
gaunt dawn
Look how they massacred my boy
distant crystal
chilly brook
Yes it can
Nah prot is hard capped at 19s
chilly brook
teal swift
Nah prot is hard capped at 19s
I have a 20 timed
stuck wraith
Hacks
teal swift
chilly brook
Everyone knows only bears are viable
stuck wraith
DH is good too, yeah?
teal swift
Prot warriors are the worst rn, and it mostly shows in raid
Especially with prot warrior dying on more mythic kills than any other tank.
stuck wraith
Wait, (and this is a legit question). Warrior is a bad raid tank?
teal swift
Like this fight for example
teal swift
Wait, (and this is a legit question). Warrior is a bad raid tank?
Every tank is viable.
somber sky
Hey guys, this is the closest I can get to getting a good source for my question. Do bosses auto every 3 seconds? or is it shorter than that? Mostly Mueh'zala. I as a fury warrior need some mobility and with intervene I think it gives me another button to press in an emergency. If I take Tiny Dancing Shoes (2 free dodges per combat), would I be able to live the 6 seconds of intervene with 2 dodges? Plz halp.
stuck wraith
I'm working on progging mythic rn and I don't have problems dying.
teal swift
Statistics just show prot warrior dies more than any other tank during mythic kills other than prot paladin on mythic sylv
stuck wraith
Hey guys, this is the closest I can get to getting a good source for my question...
I don't believe every boss has the same auto-attack timer, no.
strong forum
Average swing timer is between 1.4 and 1.6sec iirc
stuck wraith
Yeah, I was gonna say, somewhere around 1.5 but they're not uniform
somber sky
Average swing timer is between 1.4 and 1.6sec iirc
ugh damn okay. Thank you.
stuck wraith
Hey guys, this is the closest I can get to getting a good source for my question...
Intervene has a short range on it. 10 yards. So if you move more than 10 yards from your target then you take no damage from it.
chilly brook
Hey guys, this is the closest I can get to getting a good source for my question...
Wait what?
stuck wraith
^ You can also do that.
chilly brook
Are you asking as a dps warrior intervening your tank?
stuck wraith
Safeguard is the buff that goes on the warrior, right?
strong forum
The target has to cancelaura
lofty widget
Hey guys, this is the closest I can get to getting a good source for my question...
mueh zala in particular has a 2 sec swing timer
stuck wraith
Oh, gotcha.
chilly brook
Because no one else gets hit on muehzala from melees
somber sky
Intervene has a short range on it. 10 yards. So if you move more than 10 yards f...
had a frost debuff so it was really hard getting far from mr tank
since we skipped it
strong forum
Walk better
chilly brook
had a frost debuff so it was really hard getting far from mr tank
Ok so yes you're asking as a dps
strong forum
distant crystal
i'm sure your tank will appreciate you intervening the soulcrusher tho
stuck wraith
Or pop the shoes and gtfo while you dodge the next two autos
chilly brook
Don't think you can intervene soulcruher
It's a melee hit so I would assume you can
strong forum
Abilities are wonky
chilly brook
It works for guardian abilities iirc
somber sky
Walk better
🌊
chilly brook
I've accidentally intervened cotank on a few bosses and it wasn't a good look
stuck wraith
pop shoes, intervene, and run away while you dodge his 2 attacks. Chimmichang said it's a 2 second swing timer so that should give you time to move.
Alternatively, don't skip the frost guy.
prisma dove
how much health do i get back if i proc fatescribe cheat death trinket?
mellow bridge
Or alternatively learn how to deal with it lol
You have both leap and SR for one of the frontals
You only need to dodge 2/3 as a dps warrior
sick sentinel
thats the weave right
i tried it 239 once for some random low TOP key and it went off once i think
you still die if thats the one and then it acts like you have a SS dunno the health amount
teal swift
Tanknotes.com/tierlist soon
You srs
Please make the tier list randomize every time you go there
sick sentinel
teal swift
Tierlists are so toxic
gaunt dawn
Well my plan was
An actual tier list with explainations
And a bunch of meme ones
But bury the real one
Only the true homies get it
mighty valley
Require an armory login and put the current player's class at the bottom
Or the top, idk which would generate the most salt
teal swift
chilly brook
Or the top, idk which would generate the most salt
If you're looking for salt bottom
mighty valley
if the saltlords from this discord saw prot at the top, they'd pop a blood vessel though
sweet summit
waxen orbit
That boy DRIPPIN
mighty valley
thanks for proving my point about the joke fake tier list
crystal hound
lol in all seriousness what's covs looking like for prot in 9.2
waxen orbit
thanks for proving my point about the joke fake tier list
?
crystal hound
covenents.
mighty valley
just kidding, we were talking about a fake tier list that puts your spec at the bottom or top, i said top would generate more salt, you got salty
waxen orbit
lol in all seriousness what's covs looking like for prot in 9.2
Exclusively Kyr/NF for M+. Kyr/NF for raid damage on multi-target, Necro for ST damage output
crystal hound
oh lol my bad
waxen orbit
just kidding, we were talking about a fake tier list that puts your spec at the ...
Naw I wasn't salty
crystal hound
i saw some lulz on ST for venthy. any creedance to it?
waxen orbit
Hell nah
mighty valley
your honor, i would like to submit into evidence that he posted the pepe that indicates salt
sweet summit
venthyr stinky as heck
mighty valley
they're cowards and won't make venthyr ST monsters
waxen orbit
Had S1 for the memes on every other spec, now Venth just poopoo
mighty valley
they buffed regular execute and every other soulbind went bonkers in 9.1 😔
but oh well, still got hipster swag
waxen orbit
idk this version of M+ is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
modern brook
me irl
tropic linden
any reason to cast "raise banner"?
sweet summit
pvp 
waxen orbit
Still works at like 2.1k cr
patent osprey
damn :( Prot warrior dam is pretty underwhelming on the PTR
in comparison to other tanks
modern brook
damn :( Prot warrior dam is pretty underwhelming on the PTR
damn we're unviable again
T-T
late rampart
My prot warrior seems to get a lot stronger when I go to my character screen and select vDH, prot pally, brew monk, or guardian druid on the PTR. Very strange bug. Currently reporting to blizzard.
rocky gust
so there's no more advantage when using Shield Slam while Shield Block is active right?
last expansion I think SS did more damage if SB was up
was that a talent ?
ocean yoke
on shield block i think
waxen orbit
Got sent this by a pug
Unsure how to feel
Is this a threat?
Is it a warning?
I'm intrigued
balmy narwhal
hey all is there a way we can determine where sylvanas jumps into when she is doing barbed arrows?
She always jumps around left and right but we are having issue knowing where she is landing when she is dropping the dot on the raid
teal swift
Panthea prolly only one who'd have picked up on it
balmy narwhal
is there a way to drag her at least? lol
waxen orbit
We were reclearing tonight and our DH recorded this moment on Painsmith
Most hilarious shit I've had happen in raid in like, a week
Bro got chains and just belly dived on the group LMAO
jagged pier
hey all is there a way we can determine where sylvanas jumps into when she is do...
She junps away from players
balmy narwhal
So everybody should be stacked up at one spot?
jagged pier
Wait which jump are u talking about veil or just the jump around
Because with veil shes goes to the denses ampunt of players so u need ppl to stack where u want herr to go with the other jump she just jumps away from players
jagged pier
Gm 🤗
blazing condor
Gm gm
teal swift
How are you friends?
jagged pier
Just woken up so sleepy
jagged pier
Never
teal swift
Rekatable
strong forum
1st night in several weeks that I sleep fully through and my grandma dies
Great start into the weekend!!
blazing condor
Damn, my condolences
jagged pier
Damn sorry to hear that Nome
teal swift
1st night in several weeks that I sleep fully through and my grandma dies
I'm sorry to hear that
Love you friend.
waxen orbit
Great start into the weekend!!
Sorry, dawg.
That's rough. Lost someone recently too, so I get it.
You ain't alone
outer solstice
So everybody should be stacked up at one spot?
Yes, if you watch Sylvi M videos you see players are at specific spots to bait her to jump to specific spots after chains
jagged pier
What are you guys averaging though? Just so I have an idea. 6-8k?
i hadnt done like 20s keys in a while so i hoped into a 19 SD yesterday this is with a not fully lvl'd necro as im lvling it, so with kyrian or NF you should be around high 8-9k for the sort of damage range obivously that dependent on dungeon and pull size
kind gyro
what talent build?
urban portal
eminem doesnt seems good on first glance to me
jagged pier
i actually think there might be a play with the crit guy and grit build tbh
jagged pier
its like the one u should use
urban portal
cant be assed to finsih campaign
jagged pier
but i dont use fleshcraft so i loose all the value
jagged pier
what talent build?
the usual dungeon 1
we will have to see next patch i only went eminem because she by far the bes tin season 1
but im only lvling it so far
kevin might be the play
i dunno
🤷
urban portal
nvm i can see emeni
kind gyro
the usual dungeon 1
where can i find the builds in this discord?
jagged pier
where can i find the builds in this discord?
icy veins is a good place to start
burnt thicket
Hey guys, what do you think is going to be the best covenant in 9.2? Kyrian or Necrolord?
jagged pier
thats totally dependant on the content u do
burnt thicket
m+ only
oblique garnet
Nf
jagged pier
kyrian or nf
trim bay
night elf for sure
gaunt dawn
its true i did
teal swift
👍
tropic linden
Do i shield up as necro in a hard pull or b4 any pull that the CD is up?
teal swift
You want it to have the most uses possible, while having it for pulls you struggle on.
So delaying can be helpful for certain pulls.
But realistically you'll be running reprisal
So start of pulls isn't an kssue
urban portal
You should always delay it a bit
In a big pull you have healer CDs+reprisal+fleshcraft
+a ton of ignore pains from opener
jagged pier
gn 
gaunt dawn
idk how much value y'all would get from the theory behind it all
but those pages are being finalised today 👼
ionic fern
jagged pier
urban portal
Yes pls
There's like no info on this anywhere
So is dodge just basically the same as party
But for flavor reasons agi is dodge and str is parry
sweet summit
blazing condor
sweet summit
ya they do the same thing
blazing condor
Parry gives revenj
brittle owl
Block, Armor, K Values are next
tmi paper when
sweet summit
but not everything that can be parried can be dodged and vice vera i think?
brittle owl
sweet summit
most of them are consistent throughout both
but there are some outliers
something in nw 3rd boss room
but i can't remember what it is
dawn canyon
Or paladin Block Talent
sweet summit
cheating
urban portal
@patent osprey is shield blocking sever from minibiss still bugged?
sweet summit
lore?
urban portal
Something about not blocking if shield block is up
And you click off shield block and hope you parry/naturally block it
ionic fern
? 👀
sweet summit
ionic fern
Are you talking about the initial hit?
I'm looking at logs and it's blocked for me with SB up.
It's a log from December tho.
urban portal
A friend told me plka was clicking off block for sever couple months back
Glad it's prob fixed
ionic fern
Now i'm looking at a log from October and still blocks.
👀
Mustev been bugged for a short time then, if at all.
brittle owl
idk i heard good things about PTS
gaunt dawn
The Panthea Tanking Index. It's a measure of EHRPS, DPS and DTPS
brittle owl
does it include tuff
ionic fern
ionic fern
Oooh, i have to PRESS taunt? I usually just /taunt the boss and hope it takes offense and attacks me.
jagged pier
THIS IS NOT CLASSIC
tbf in classic u did max dps for threat
2x 1h tanking
v fun
and very astetic
like season1 was we could tank with a 2h
tropic linden
This is the only reason i swaped to tank in 9.2
sick sentinel
getting healer aggro and avoiding UWU's since 200X
oblique garnet
The Panthea Tanking Index. It's a measure of EHRPS, DPS and DTPS
I just press buttons and numbers look good
tropic linden
I press buttons and numbers don't look good
junior ivy
blazing condor
No
mellow bridge
yes
oblique garnet
but got to grind necro lvls
Noob just go do tower
jagged pier
who cares about speed we dont even have release date yet
oblique garnet
Yeah but if you do it faster you only have to suffer once
jagged pier
well we did
oblique garnet
And then you dont have to log in
jagged pier
no it took me till this week to get the slyv shield
oblique garnet
jagged pier
oblique garnet
Wont even go for sylv shield till i have 2nd jaithys
sick sentinel
ive gone half fury now
crafted a legendary for it, but, i want more legendaries dps ones,
jagged pier
Wont even go for sylv shield till i have 2nd jaithys
i dont even have 1 , had to give mine to a dk so he could have a second one
jagged pier
:/
sick sentinel
if i get a piece of loot drop for me only i decide if i want to give it away
blazing condor
Susge
sick sentinel
like, i raided EP and they had some loot council addon shit
so, i played along and if someone requested for xmog i would
blazing condor
LF CE Guild who lets me raid whenever i have time and got everything on farm. I just gotta say when im down to play and everyone logs on
Hmu if u know any
jagged pier
sick sentinel
asmongold last night "so yeah if any guilds are willing to carry me through mythic sanctum and trade me all the warrior pieces just let me know alright?"
yeah sure, im sure they'll get back to you for past first 3 bosses, far as i can tell you do first 3 mythic
oblique garnet
And guilds will do that because well nothing to lose
Wouldnt be surprised if limit or bdgg did that
oblique garnet
Yeah but they just want the publicity so doesnt matter