Any gear you get now is for now
#protection
mighty valley
urban portal
What's the point of gearing if you are just gonna vendor it next patch
What's the point of buying a legendary when it's just gonna get replaced next patch
sick sentinel
What's the pointlaying prot warrior in necrotic and having to try and use kyrian potion, vs being Chad bear and lol bear shit I dunno swipe enrage and trash souk of ursuc now I'm healed to full cuz immune to affix through spell
Or vs paladin who interuots 2 or more casters at range in a chian lighting bouncing shield forcing those mobs to Los to you
sick sentinel
We ain't got shit
urban portal
Then reroll
worthy karma
But we cool and we got heroic leap
Heroic leap is all we need in life
Alpha male and females play warrior
true hound
Is there any max duration to shield block? Does every shield block, both from legendary and ability on use stack indefinitely without any drawbacks(except for getting it on CD ofc, but just for theory, imaging unlimited charges and rage)?
mighty valley
There's a limit, I think 18s?
But it shouldn't really come up
If you ever happen to use Bolster that's allowed to break the limit too
true hound
Just dinged a warrior to 60 today and have been playing prot pal previously this season. Sotr max buff is at 12,5 sec or something. So I was wondering if shield block has something similar
late rampart
yeah, generally the max is 3x the duration
mighty valley
You'll only hit it if you're mashing out all your SB charges, which there's no reason to do
late rampart
so 18s for shield block
true hound
Alright thanks. How do you keep it up for extended durations? With the legendary, do you just intervene random party members sometimes and charge back?
late rampart
yeah, try to keep charge and intervene on CD
you can use intervene to somebody far and charge back in if you like. All depends on situation
mighty valley
Ideally intervene melee... charge min distance isn't far and almost all bosses have moments you can step away too
true hound
Yeah that's what I've been so doing the 2 dungeons I've ran so far. But I feel like I'm lacking something if I have intervene on CD and I see a party member getting targeted with a spell or dot.
mighty valley
You'll prevent more total damage in almost all situations by giving yourself the block when you need it
true hound
Perhaps it's just that I'm used to being able to help with wogs on my pala with short intervals
Yeah fair enough.
mighty valley
100% block chance is just immense phys reduction
true hound
Having a great time though. Prot warrior pumps
mighty valley
Glad to hear it
true hound
But that block uptime is a work in progress
late rampart
yeah there is nothing prot warrior can do to match prot pally WoGs
intervene will not fill that void
true hound
Had 3,9k overall dps in a +12 mist at 209 ilvl and last boss in top. Reflecting 26k per scythe in a +10? Like wtf
late rampart
intervene in terms of defensively for a party member is so niche in usefulness, probably not worth worrying about for most. You can take the finesse conduit for DR on intervene though.
mighty valley
Reflecting scythe is the greatest
late rampart
yeah, spell reflect is busted on scythe
true hound
Yeah, fair enough. Just gotta get used to a bit of a different playstyle. Demo roar reduces damage mobs deal to everyone or just me? Doesn't specify in tooltip
mighty valley
Just you
Would be a busted raid CD otherwise
well, we already have one of those in rally
true hound
Ah damn. Did seem too good to be true
Yeah
Just shitty tooltip then.
IP has a max amount at 2x 40 rage spent and doesn't stack above that? Say if you cast IP with 80 rage. Barely lose any of it, get 80 rage and cast IP again. The second IP won't really add much? Other than those 1% hp/10 rage from indom
mighty valley
IP just costs 40 rage, so it stacks up to two casts
Again it's kind of rare that you'll be spamming IP so much that overcapping will matter that much
worthy karma
I do notice when I pop cds I gotta sang an IP here an there lol
mighty valley
Yeah just to avoid rage capping
true hound
Yeah alright I read the guide wrong then. Thought I cost 40 rage and adds more up to 80 rage which is max.
It cost*
But 40 rage per cast and 2 casts is cap makes more sense than having it drain all available rage up to 80
teal swift
@sweet summit @jagged pier @blazing condor
teal swift
Yay
teal swift
Only for ptr
foggy fractal
How long does revered take?
I knew it was gonna be a short while to get Legendaries anyway
sand pebble
Member when they said they wouldn't tie player power to the new rep?
where did they say that?
sand pebble
where specifically did they say it - it was assumed they said it
sand pebble
The current Cypher of the First Ones provides no benefit to player power in Dungeons and Raids - meaning the cypher itself adds no player power
they never once said the new zone doesnt reward any player power
and true to their word you dont need it to unlock double leggo or conduits - thats locked behind a fucking rep grind
which imo is worse
urban portal
yeah wowhead baited
waxen orbit
SHIELD SLAM盾牌猛击 bad defensives 防守不好 ping pong乒乓 Charge back and forth 来回充电 intervention or death干预或死亡 bad tank坏坦克
New copypasta
teal swift
What does the Chinese parts mean
waxen orbit
Pretty sure it means the words that precede them
chilly brook
This is literally the worst way they can implement double lego
urban portal
What does the Chinese parts mean
google translated version of the english
mortal brook
From my testing revered is more than reachable during heroic week even without a sweaty grind
I'm down like 1500 reddit karma from saying that tho. But im up like 7 "too little too late" so my collection is doing well
sweet summit
you're up 1500 reddit karma in our hearts steve, and that's all that matters 
urban portal
do you have math to back that up
but if it isnt doable on heroic week its likely doable by mythic week
mighty valley
yeah... i stand by my "revered takes no time stop being babies" stance
it even unlocks it account wide
teal swift
I stand by my, doesn't fucking matter, play the game stop whining that you don't get everything day 1
We have like a fucking year of this raid
teal swift
Hi Erga 🤗
sweet summit
gm 
teal swift
What time is it for u?
sweet summit
9 am ish
true hound
what's the golden amount of haste in m+?
teal swift
Ok, you from like Germany / Sweden / Norway area then I suppose
true hound
Any good vaults for you guys btw?
sweet summit
as much as possible without dropping ilvl
no magic number
ya i got 252 weapon on dh very poggers
but no other noticable upgrade 
5 characters btw 
true hound
alright, just got my war to 60 yday and got full valor 210 ilvl from those BoA chests for it. Got it to 25% haste, but wonder if i should keep going with haste sockets/food buff etc as haste up until a certain point where i focus on versa instead
nicenice gz! at least one good loot
got one +15 done on my fresh war, but ofc i get the one slot that doesnt have any main stat or armor, a damn ring
no haste on it either
sweet summit
ya full haste is generally the play until you hit 40% from rating
true hound
but on pala i got my 3d straight M sylvanas loot on and we downed her first time 3 weeks ago
true hound
got kt neck last clear on pala, but i dont want crit. so still running with 252, and cant trade it, cuz, only 259 in game....
haha lets hope so!
So 40% haste? Sounds like hell of a lot. I guess since even with perfect rotation you cant keep block up for extended periods
at least at 25% from it feels like
sweet summit
nah not without reprisal
true hound
and my high experience of 4 dungeons as prot war haha
true hound
ya, got myself reprisal for the last two i ran. but still 4s block on 25 sec cd with intervene and 4s with charge, which is always not possible except for on pull unless you kite away a bunch or leap away to charge in
yeah i figure
sweet summit
you can hard game charge mid combat
true hound
As prot pala its around 20-25% haste where you can have 100% uptime on sotr if you dont waste gcd on spamming buttons that dont give holy power, after that its more value with defensive secondaries like versa and mastery. But as a new prot pala 25-30% haste is much better since you can afford to click the wrong buttons and still have 100% uptime
silver river
So I read the pinned post, and I see that the recent changes to the tier set have been positive, but what are people's general thoughts about how the spec is looking next tier?
true hound
what do you m,ean hard game charge?
sweet summit
you can play around it and be a gamer (charge weave)
true hound
Slowed mobs, run, charge mob at the back as soon as you are far away enough?
sweet summit
something like that yea
just be careful not to charge through many mobs and get hit in the back lol
true hound
yeah, done that a few too many times on pala already
sweet summit
So I read the pinned post, and I see that the recent changes to the tier set hav...
mostly same as now tbh, tier set is basically just a dps and rage gen increase
true hound
I guess hamstring one mob and run away to get a charge on it might work. People around the +10-15 bracket arent the best to cater to their tank with slows and stuns
sweet summit
ya about that (i don't have hamstring on my bars)
true hound
tier sets look really nice. just overall QoL for any content and situation
sweet summit
yeah
true hound
haha, and i run around hamstringing spirits for my dps like a true support
true hound
haha
fair enough, only do it when mobs are dead though and if they are on the way to next group
What do you usually push in overall dps in +20?
and up
And is it expected to not get hit almost a single time without block up in dungeons?
sweet summit
~7k i think? i haven't done an actual key in ages so i'm not sure what numbers to expect lol
yeah you want to minimize the amount of hits you take without block or shield wall
true hound
i geuss it comes with practice block primary, if running out of ways to keep block up, pop wall if needed etc
sweet summit
warrior is still relatively tanky without block due to how insane vanguard for us is but you will feel like paper without block
true hound
Alright yeah. Same as sotr on pala then.
sweet summit
yeah
true hound
Decently high physical reduction, sotr adds like 40% extra physical reduction
sweet summit
altho paladins have more cooldowns than warrior as far as i understand
true hound
Decently high base reduction*
Yeah, got a lot of cds to rotate and really strong heals.
I mean Ardent defender is at a 1min 30sec cd with talent. Lasts 8 sec. But with conduit that increases duration and lowers cd you get ardent up to 20sec duration on pull with divine toll, and reduce its cd to sub 1min.
sweet summit
that's nuts lmfao
true hound
Does warrior have any heals/absorbs that arent affected by necrotic?
indomitable perhaps?
jagged pier
yes
sweet summit
fa? 
ionic fern
First Avenger
jagged pier
we dont need healing we are outside of ufr the best tank for necrotic as we arent based around healing we just mitigate
sweet summit
wait really
ionic fern
sweet summit
that's dumb
ionic fern
Jep.
Probably something to do with how the absorb is applied..e.g "DO DAMAGE GET SHIELD".
🍝
ionic fern
Probably cause it has it's own separate code.
sweet summit
very sad
ionic fern
Jeh.
It's a good time to be a Dwarf Kyrian Paladin.
On necrotic weeks.
But then again..it doesn't really matter cause you would be Alliance and there are like 3 keys.
sweet summit
dwarf (alliance (dead)
kyrian (very epic)
paladin (not warrior)
idk there are severe downsides to that
sand pebble
imagine if shield slam did a frontal cleave
ionic fern
Yes.
The anima power
"If you SS you also cast TC"
Only replace it with Revenge.
Actually i think it casts WW?
sweet summit
ionic fern
sand pebble
bonegrinder to work with ravager when?
ionic fern
It does.
jagged pier
the game play is horrendous
sweet summit
yea lol
ionic fern
Oh, unironically, i had easier time doing 17's as 5 prot than doing 15's with a random normal group.
jagged pier
why?
ionic fern
What affixes are there?
jagged pier
u back to pushing title?
ionic fern
I think i also have a 20 something
sweet summit
nah lmfao
jagged pier
NEVER INVITE TO 20s
ionic fern
MISTS THO
sand pebble
after having taken currency for 3 weeks in a row i think im done with keys
ionic fern
Oh, i've been done with keys since forever.
jagged pier
sang ez tho
sweet summit
yaas
sweet summit
@oblique garnet
ionic fern
Sense transfers to EU
"Fine, i'll join your key, let me make a trial char"
Absolutely stomps everyone with a trial char and we somehow +5 the key
"Thanks for the key guys, bye"
Rides off into the sunset
sweet summit
blazing condor
spare gametime sir
jagged pier
unfunny how true that would be mwahi
ionic fern
😂
waxen vale
The vibes I'm getting is that for low to mid lvl keys warrior is just god mode
mighty valley
everyone in low to mid lvl keys is god mode
waxen vale
Play a paladin with trash dps and bad heals
mighty valley
don't think I will
jagged pier
i have a like 208 paladin ive done 12s on this season
waxen vale
It's like
jagged pier
it was fine
waxen vale
Well I main a paladin and have played a lot of bear
Warriors are on another level of foolproof
Or bombproof
I was stunned with very little active mitigation up in a risky triple pull with a sliver of health barely taking healing and somehow did not die
I think my back was even facing some of the mobs
sweet summit
can't block while stunned anyway
waxen vale
As a paladin if you don't have shield up, you're not in consecration and your back is facing a mob you're fucking dead
Like immediately
Outside of your cds if anything hits hard you might be too
Unless you keep a word of glory handy and the healers expecting the big hit
Anyway I'm excited I can see myself playing alt of warr if only Kyrian spear were bigger
teal swift
As a paladin if you don't have shield up, you're not in consecration and your ba...
Every tank is like this lmao
Might as well spam /sit while you're at it
blazing condor
/camp
teal swift
/2 Since Vulpera were released, they decided that roleplayers should be able to set up camps. Try for yourself with /camp
blazing condor
kek
strong forum
blazing condor
take no prisoner
ionic fern
ocean reef
🦊 🔫
sweet summit
humble tendon
Hello guyz. I got in my vault today a winged helmet (haste vers) and an axe (crit mastery if i remember). BOTH 252. I have engorged mace (haste vers) and same head 246. Which is a better upgrade? Weapon because of dps slight value or stats from head?or not really matters.
true hound
What are the best trinkets for prot war in the current m+ dungeons?
unkempt ruin
doing 15's m+ with thunderlord legendary doable? or will the healer hate me?
true hound
bloodsplattered + the haste proc thingy from soa?
I mean, zoahbeany, i was doing +12 in 209 ilvl and had only played war for a couple of hours. You should be fine, since i suck and shield block still and looking at the log got hit by half of all attacks with shield block down
unkempt ruin
i just enjoy the playstyle 😄
might give it a go
wont be pushing high keys or anything so
ionic fern
doing 15's m+ with thunderlord legendary doable? or will the healer hate me?
You can even do 20's with that.
You can do 20's without a legendary.
🤷
unkempt ruin
i guess so 😄
blazing condor
What are the best trinkets for prot war in the current m+ dungeons?
from m+ or to use in m+?
teal swift
🦊 🔫 <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Look, I think it's cute
true hound
from m+ or to use in m+?
yeah
true hound
Phial + Bloodsplattered, or would haste proc zone be better?
teal swift
If I can be a cute little fox, with the best /lay animation in the game
true hound
can always pray for one in a million chance to get ows or annhylde from the weekly event today
teal swift
can always pray for one in a million chance to get ows or annhylde from the week...
God, ive gotten 3 mythic ones
And several heroic
Shards
Not ows
jagged pier
sack
true hound
Dude, took me forever to get even hc shard on my pala, then i get mythic 2 weeks after.
ionic fern
Oh right
jagged pier
dont forget sack
ionic fern
Sack
blazing condor
sack in next patch
ionic fern
I've done that dungeon like once..
blazing condor
never neglect the sack or whatever you say
ionic fern
So i forget about it.
jagged pier
sack is better than 246 phial
true hound
Now i got OWS 259 from first vault after killing syl a month ago, then syl shield the week after from vault
teal swift
It was a 4s channel that did giga damage
jagged pier
Now i got OWS 259 from first vault after killing syl a month ago, then syl shiel...
FUCK U
teal swift
sack is better than 246 phial
Wait 233 sack > 246 pbial?
jagged pier
Wait 233 sack > 246 pbial?
yes
teal swift
If it's like that on warrior, my bdk needs a sack and a codex
true hound
difficult to find a group with people who know the tactics in there though
strong forum
😳
ionic fern
difficult to find a group with people who know the tactics in there though
No tactics oln a +15
jagged pier
difficult to find a group with people who know the tactics in there though
u can just zerg mail room boss down
blazing condor
you can even just S in taz
its slower and doesnt gain you anything
but you know you can
blazing condor
wave
ocean reef
I don't harrass u for liking cartoon girls
You can if you want to 
I'm used to the abuse from friends already 
true hound
u can just zerg mail room boss down
not with your standard dps queing tazavezh normal mode when i as tank sit at 220 ilvl
jagged pier
me and @strong forum literaly went with randoms on hardmode to farm it
ionic fern
I just pugged it and pretty much solod it.
Hardest part for me was not knowing where to go.
So i just followed the healer around.
😂
true hound
Must have been in the beginning when it was released and you made sure they had high io?
strong forum
No
jagged pier
no
strong forum
It was months after release with the requirement being "just exist"
Literally any body would do
true hound
I cant seem to get a clean run at all now
jagged pier
^^
normal zinc
dawn canyon
Make a garms on all eu Horde realms
dawn canyon
I own zugzuggers 
ionic fern
blazing condor
sweet summit
sick sentinel
i shoulda bought a damn name change while it was on sale
did try all the other cow names
celest glade
What stats are best for pure damage?
jagged pier
your own play
celest glade
I have a bazillion pieces of gear from my fury/arms sets so I can't really sim 68 million iterations so I'm trying to narrow it down xD
I imagine crit haste for pure dam? Idk
ionic fern
More than likely crit/haste.
blazing condor
haste > crit right ?
languid yoke
whats the statweights for prot @sweet summit 
sweet summit
crit vers are generally very good
languid yoke
avoidance?
sweet summit
leech
jagged pier
LEECH LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
languid yoke
and i wanna use hekili for prot right?
sweet summit
idk what that is but yeah sure
sick sentinel
i don't know which tank does the best leech build, but assuming its DK
anyways, leech tank can be very viable
blazing condor
devalues my 0% hit 0% expertise build
sick sentinel
was sort of fun to have to get hit
sick sentinel
taunt miss is not fun but
blazing condor
hit/expertise ruined reforging and now we dont have reforging anymore
so thanks hit/expertise
idc if its been gone for a decade this shit still stings
sweet summit
👴 ✊ ☁️
jagged pier
reforging was great ment if the piece had bad stats if could still be an upgrade
wtf u comlpaining about
strong forum
Best stat is strength
Followed by crit(for pure ST)
👍
Weapon damage is also a huge stat
brazen nimbus
hey guys. since simming is another story on a tank than on a dd, i have a question. is there any sort of haste cap for us to aim/stop at ?
brazen nimbus
basically this^^ as da dps i can sim what stat is actual overused and so on, as a tank aside from the damage aspekts not. thats why im unsure if haste is always better than ohers or if theres a point to better stop investing
wooden radish
@ionic fern So I just Levelled a warrior to 60 and it's kind of unfair the way they eat physical damage I've been at a sliver of health with no healing on triple pulls so many times, even stunned and with my back to mobs and I don't die lmao
I'm always just wondering how I'm not dead
jagged pier
@ionic fern So I just Levelled a warrior to 60 and it's kind of unfair the way they eat physical damage I've been at a sliver of health with no healing on triple pulls so many times, even stunned and with my back to mobs and I don't die lmao
I'm always just wondering how I'm not dead
fluid torrent
@ionic fern So I just Levelled a warrior to 60 and it's kind of unfair the way they eat physical damage I've been at a sliver of health with no healing on triple pulls so many times, even stunned and with my back to mobs and I don't die lmao
I'm always just wondering how I'm not dead
jagged pier
😂
sweet summit
hate paladin mains man smh
patent osprey
SMH
vale anchor
I'm about to craft Reprisal - thinking ahead to 9.2 should I craft legs (better stat budget) or boots (since legs might be taken with a tier slot in 9.2)?
strong forum
You only need 4 tier pieces and iirc there's 5 slots
However due to rng, you might end up getting legs early on
So the safest answer is feet (imo), or just have both
wooden radish
its only gold to blow it up and craft it on another slot
vale anchor
OK thanks. I agree that whatever slot I pick I'll either get tier set or BiS boots in my weekly cache - so will probably recraft eventually. Just wondered if there was a consensus on here or not.
vale anchor
its only gold to blow it up and craft it on another slot
Although... don't you use new currency (Cosmic Flux) to upgrade your legendary in 9.2. So at some point you'll need to commit to boots or legs? Unless that currency is ALSO refunded (along with Soul Ash etc) when you disenchant
wooden radish
currency as far i know is uncapped
so there is no limit to how much you can earn
just need to put in the time
mellow bridge
would be weird to refund everything except for the new currency if you scrap a leggo
chilly brook
Can they refund my sanity?
chilly brook
I so look forward to logging into the game every day to do the weakest content it has to offer for 2 weeks to get 2 legos
blazing condor
chilly brook
Also chances of these dailies not being tied to cypher of the first ones in any manner is slim to none
pulsar wedge
lime urchin
Just as legendary as they always have been!
dawn canyon
Revenj 📈
distant crystal
damn ya'll gonna put pain on perma-ignore
blazing condor
Pog
strong forum
just for comparison
blazing condor
How much ignore uptime do i need to do 10k overall
strong forum
i generated 2.6k rage in 4min on guardian HC
on ptr
its 10k rage in 9 minutes
🙂
dawn canyon
Rage wasted?
strong forum
85
dawn canyon
Yogi metric
blazing condor
In ST will the meta be to dump rage into IP for stacks or still keep pumping revenge and get outburst slower
mighty valley
we're gonna have so much rage people will pop in here like "hey guys should I be macroing IP into all my other spells"
inland ferry
so as noob doing low keys only (no raiding) with 19% haste doing the standard build rav/Heavy rep and Rep Leggo would it be better switching to fray. anger and wall? Dry for asking but alot of websites showing best talents at top end m+ may not be best for 10-15 keys
ionic fern
so as noob doing low keys only (no raiding) with 19% haste doing the standard bu...
I'm chilling with 18% haste and feel fine. 👀
And i'm doing AM in every key.
Definitely keep Reprisal over The Wall for m+.
inland ferry
thanks - switched to IP to up the haste and felt alot smooth in the rotation on the pulls, maybe its a play what fits you rather than copy n paste from high key builds
ionic fern
IP?
inland ferry
rep v wall - would miss the block on the pull - sry IP typo - ITF (IF)
ionic fern
Reprisal provides a lot more in the dungeon than The Wall will.
IF you actually Charge/Intervene weave properly.
Even the base Charge into a pack already provides a ton of extra rage/sb uptime / damage over the course of the dungeon.
inland ferry
Thats the thing as noob like the face tanking aspect the charge in and out isn't a play style I like - but love the block on initial charge
sweet summit
itf in keys
inland ferry
kk ty
chilly brook
so as noob doing low keys only (no raiding) with 19% haste doing the standard bu...
AM/Rep
This is why subcreation is bad
HR is mostly overkill and unnecessary in lower keys
inland ferry
so got the charge intervene macro and switched to ITF/AM with Rep as leggo - now to test it out in a few keys - and thanks for helping a new prot warr guys
jagged pier
please do not run ITF in keys
inland ferry
why Jakey?
patent osprey
I'm a firm believer that people should start with HR and then pull back to AM if they like that play style
its easier to go from tanky to more dps
than dead on the floor to tanky
when learning
mighty valley
why Jakey?
Ravager solves a lot of problems in keys - the start of the pull is the toughest part, so having high burst threat + additional rage gen on pull is enormous. plus it just adds up to more total damage in a mostly aoe setting like m+
strong forum
I'm a firm believer that people should start with HR and then pull back to AM if...
playing with AM promotes learning the base class more, same as you should learn tanking in more challenging content rather than low content so you quickly learn what hurts you.
with playing HR perma you just start forgetting about proper SB usage cuz its up most of the time anyway
i reckon going from only playing HR to AM will just result in severe discomfort
youll suddenly have to play alot more aggressive
blazing condor
going from AM to HR is comf
blazing condor
yeah i definitely agree
i learn best when i fuck up severely
then i don't do the same mistake again 🙂
usually
sick sentinel
unless you refuse to research what hurt you
urban portal
i don't know which tank does the best leech build, but assuming its DK
Dk is the worst leech tank because they do 0 damage, prot pal is the best leech tank since they do both big dam and wog can leech on top of it
inland ferry
so was using the macro charge/intervene and noticed after turn the boss to face me after intervening a melee behind the mob my back was exposed to the boss for a very short time, anything I can do apert from turn quick?
strong forum
nop
mighty valley
you can position so the melee is more beside the boss than behind it so the boss turns less
boss hitboxes are usually very big and forgiving
jagged pier
melees can just stand on u as dungeon bosses dont parry
mighty valley
saw a lot of melee getting blown up in legion timewalking when basically every boss had a huge frontal lol
urban portal
Dungeon bosses don't party dps melees?
patent osprey
playing with AM promotes learning the base class more, same as you should learn ...
mmm I disagree. I think by learning HR first u get to focus on everything from mob casts to how to use your other skills effectively. Walk before you run. Going AM and not understanding SB can discourage them and make people feel like the class just blows and or just die in m+. HR is easier for mitigation and therefore helps them not have to learn to kite
patent osprey
playing with AM promotes learning the base class more, same as you should learn ...
Going from HR to AM let's u focus on everything else and then focus on SB uptime and kiting patterns
strong forum
mh
patent osprey
new players could just easily get overwhelmed when they can learn what's strong about prot war from a high mitigation build first.
But you guys are the theorycrafters ;) prob just different takes
stark sage
i just press buttons
blazing condor
at this point buttons press me
strong forum
new players could just easily get overwhelmed when they can learn what's strong ...
hard to tell how the new person approaches
both are valid
strong forum
we never fight
patent osprey
am I grandma or grandpa
strong forum
👴
patent osprey
🧓
tender imp
i just tested double lego in case anyone curious with wall+glory i could have banner on me 100% of the time
seems insane
400 mastery+20% str
there is no downtime if theres something to hit
sweet summit
it's alright 🙂
jagged pier
doesnt matter what leggo u run its the same with rep
tender imp
forgot u also get 4 rage per sec while banner is on
which feeds into more avatars with tierset etc...
i wasnt sold on necrolord but now i am
cobalt lance
Best legendary for The proc warrior?
ionic fern
Reprisal.
sick sentinel
best of all is you get flag on back
waxen orbit
So
waxen orbit
i just tested double lego in case anyone curious with wall+glory i could have ba...
TL;DR is
We're in the same spot for raid as a really good, high damage dealing tank
But still lacking in comparison to other tanks in M+
dawn canyon
Ya i get that
If you always get it its nothing special anymore
Your first one means the world to you
waxen orbit
Sad but true
dawn canyon
That's why im hoping to get it next tier
waxen orbit
For me my main goal for raiding is just get some good logs and then help homies/guildies who want to push for as far as they want
I don't care where I end up
M+ is a whole different situation because I wanna push as far as I can on each warr spec. Sitting at 2750 for fury, 2650 for prot. Just need to get my prot io back up because I took a break from it to keep the game fresh for the past 2 weeks
dawn canyon
For me my main goal for raiding is just get some good logs and then help homies/...
That's a good Motivation, for me it's currently the title and good logs and fun
waxen orbit
Good motivation too tbh
At the end of the day I just lowkey wish that they tuned the rest of the game outside of just what is played in RWTF/TGP because it feels like anything that isn't taken there is sort of left by the wayside in terms of developing attention and balance
dawn canyon
Yea it's a shame how many specs get discarded because of high end mindsets simmering through
waxen orbit
Lowkey ironic because Mike Ybarra is the only known high content pusher in Blizz
Just wish they'd take feedback from underrepresented specs. Prot warr, feral druid, enh shaman, rdruid are all p decent examples
I'm goin on a tangent tho so I'll pause and take a quick puff of this copium
dawn canyon
Theyll fix in 10.0
waxen orbit
They'll make it so we aren't defenseless fleshbags in M+ without reprisal
dawn canyon
Baseline
dawn canyon
Theyll have a good solution
waxen orbit
3 sec shield block on shield slam or something idfk
I don't get paid to underdesign this game
Or j make ignore pain a genuine absorb
As opposed to the used band-aid it is
agile pumice
7.0 IP
teal swift
Morning friends @sweet summit @jagged pier @blazing condor
@strong forum
blazing condor
gm 
jagged pier
gm
jagged pier
😍
sick sentinel
does prot still run reprisal in m+?
teal swift
Yes or EM
teal swift
EM is comparible tbh
sick sentinel
so reprisal or seismic?
sick sentinel
okay thank you!
blazing condor
i dont think i'd ever run seismic over an 18 personally (unless 5 prot ofc)
just because i would get too greedy and be very sloppy with my defensive uptimes
sick sentinel
i caught it on video
the monk thing for the mind soothe skip with the ROP and incap doesn't work
still aggros to u later after it fades they come
modern brook
Means u walked to close
Or cc was misordered
Paralyze unlike sap can be used on targets in combat so
The cc going off doesn't mean nothings in combat with ut
blazing condor
what dungeon?
either way i have never played a dungeon where para + ring didnt work
sick sentinel
just a random zero, just so happened we had a monk and he was the one who attempted it unprompted
blazing condor
You paralyze before you ring lmfao
No wonder it didnt work
Monk probably eats soup with a fork
modern brook
Monk probably eats soup with a fork
LMAO
sick sentinel
again totally unscripted but i realized it was something i was aware of
so as soon as i saw it, thought crossed in my mind
to take that snippet
modern brook
Or cc was misordered
But yeah cc was misordered. It works when it's done right
blazing condor
Can confirm a 100% it works
If you para > ring
My only real premade was a ww monk we’d do that skip a million times
blazing condor
also Yogi cringe leap before you pulled the pack
sick sentinel
i did
and he told me "i can't place it there it must be patched out"
(he was too close)
blazing condor
We can still heroic leap over the wall
sick sentinel
i can't win, harder i try harder i lose
chilly brook
Go into corner, gateway and click over the wall when you can't see reticle ez pz
modern brook
We can still heroic leap over the wall
I did this in a n 18i ran
Cause the monk forgot to talent rop
And everyone else had invisible pots
And I didn't wanna look like the one dork who didn't flask for his own 18
modern brook
No one even lnew
blazing condor
sick sentinel
i have invis-belt cuz its a relatively low chance to fail and the fail is like nothing from what i can tell
chilly brook
And I didn't wanna look like the one dork who didn't flask for his own 18
Straight mogging on the party
modern brook
Arms is literally cheating btw
chilly brook
Also Bull I think it's time to cut the cord with this group
modern brook
My warrior is like 230 and pulls just under 10k overalls with no doms
chilly brook
Lmfao
sick sentinel
anything is better than that god damn rocket belt
modern brook
I'll always be a prot warrior at heart
sick sentinel
self delete your hp or send your 70 feet in air land on face
modern brook
Even if they make tanking some garbage unfun trash where you have to beg 4 people to let you play
Like they already did :)
sick sentinel
i didn't do it really
chilly brook
My warrior is like 230 and pulls just under 10k overalls with no doms
Ye arms slaps
Time to fire up the old eyes and start searching
blazing condor
🔥 👄 🔥
teal swift
Arms is more fun
sick sentinel
i raided as fury in EP so i know how to play that a little bit if it hasn't changed much
i both love and hate fury
opened box for DPS and was a sword inside
chilly brook
i both love and hate fury
Fury is ❤️
blazing condor
I remember when i first started playing back in cata and i was fury it was good times
Rotation consisted of Bloodthirst and heroic strike and everyone flamed me for doing 3k dps
sick sentinel
i did 20-25 k dps on one of the 2 bosses before professor in ICC on rogue beat everyone
so ihad to link meter
"2 button class"
inland raft
agile pumice
Hating arms is always cool actually
acoustic fjord
Especially if you pvp
compact plinth
Fury prot count as prot?
teal swift
Fury prot count as prot?
Tank spec ye
urban portal
When do they give us bloodthirst baseline
compact plinth
Tank spec ye
Deep prot warrior is scary slow especially in dungeons
But u get gear priority in end game tho
teal swift
Deep prot warrior is scary slow especially in dungeons
I'm aware lol
I'm a really good classic warrior
compact plinth
I'm aware lol
All of classic I was deep prot until cleared Onyxia then I discovered the "meta" stuff
Took up fury prot and loved it ever since
?
Wut happened?
teal swift
It's not my place to talk about.
compact plinth
Daum
Sounds serious
I know about him just not the drama
Anyways
U playing SoM or TBC?
compact plinth
How is it?
teal swift
Harder
lmao
Retail tanking is really enjoyable for me
I am currently playting BDK
compact plinth
I took a break when Nialothia came out
teal swift
Yeah its a good playstyle for me :3
compact plinth
And It's DK ofc its gonna be fun
teal swift
Here are my classic parses from tanking MC
teal swift
i dont remember what my gear was xD
my guild was garbage
so we had really bad kills
teal swift
Loot council
compact plinth
Ah
teal swift
I was rank 12.5 as well
compact plinth
Starved u of gear and gave it all to ass kissers
teal swift
My gear was really good
wdym?
I was missing like a belt off rag thats it lmao
Keep in mind, this was p2
not p3.
compact plinth
I see
teal swift
All we had was pvp, dungeons, and MC
teal swift
Oh, i had a falling out with guild
a bit before p3
so i left with my binding
quit ranking
compact plinth
I quit right b4 AQ released
teal swift
and rerolled rshaman
and then cleared AQ40 as tank lead
and then i quit
because like, classic had no real challenge
but it wasnt healthy for me, so SoM isnt healthy either.
compact plinth
Classic didn't
teal swift
Ranking was hell.
Made me several thousand dollars
but like, insane hours for 6 weeks straight
compact plinth
Pvp was the most disgusting thing
teal swift
Yep, I was in a top 5 premade
compact plinth
Absolutely nasty
teal swift
worldwide
and MT for that
I miss those guys a lot.
But we were playing nearly 20 hours a day 5 days a week
compact plinth
For absolutely nothing because it gets replaced by questing gear in tbc
teal swift
My server, for me to rule brackets and set honor amounts required an ironfist
compact plinth
I couldn't imagine
teal swift
So I needed to hit 1m honor before Friday
compact plinth
I don't pvp because I not only can't but I lack the time to learn
compact plinth
Still
teal swift
Yeah, ranking was bad
compact plinth
It's nasty
I swear fungus would grow on your ass
Sitting for so long
Yet again I'm just a filthy casual 🙃
inland ferry
Blizz should make reprisal baseline - or have a mechanic to allow SB/Rage on initial pull and cut out the need for intervene/charging around as it doesn't add to the game play of the spec and just puts ppl off playing Prot warrior imo- esp those new to the class/spec
mellow bridge
But charging is cool 
limpid kite
Or change back the cds and talents back to the bfa values
sweet summit
ya fixing the spec is a good idea i agree
ionic fern
blazing condor
Thx 🙂
ionic fern
If anything..Reprisal goes to show that SB CAN have higher up-time than the current base and warriors won't be broken.
😦
brittle owl
broken is the result of a binary equation
did it get buffed?-> insane, broken, meta
not buffed? -> lmao ded spec
limber zealot
Only recently started playing a prot warrior, currently in the process of getting so gear just to get a head start so farming m+ etc but I was just wondering is there a 'perfect' amount of haste you can have before it becomes somewhat pointless?
inland ferry
so to answer the binary question - if ppl removed reprisal and played would a) the game play be improved - think yes
blazing condor
Only recently started playing a prot warrior, currently in the process of gettin...
40% unbuffed
inland ferry
question is whether you could tank a m+ without reprisal - yes but your survivability would decrease
brittle owl
oh you just mean people taking it off
inland ferry
aye
cos someone will counter argue its "part of the game" and you have a choice on whether to use it or not
jagged pier
question is whether you could tank a m+ without reprisal - yes but your survivab...
no u run different talents and get generally the same effect
jagged pier
well u have to run bolster instead of AM
inland ferry
and that means you dont need Reprisal?
brittle owl
sb uptime sorta cancels out
limber zealot
40% unbuffed
Thank you 😄
jagged pier
u still have less blocked hits than play with rep correctly, but it what we ran in season 1 when we didnt have rep
u will also do less damage as u wont be running AM
and u will have less SW's
brittle owl
no am less avatar less 
brittle owl
also less damej
more avatar more damej
more damej faster key
faster key bigger gaming
inland ferry
but I get the increased damage of rep/AM etc and totally take that on board, however its "cost" is a reduced enjoyment factor cos of the charge/intervene spam
but its a player choice - play optimally with rep/interven spam
brittle owl
well, that's a personal preference 🤷♂️
also
you don't need to spam charge/int as much as you think
inland ferry
or chose less damage outgoing and more incoming but at a (personal taste) improved gamestyle /enjoymenet
sweet summit
Thank you 😄
40% unbuffed is not "perfect", that's just where the 20% stat tax kicks in and you'll get more value from other stats
@blazing condor 
blazing condor
:T
strong forum
I like reprisal gameplay
Cuz it raises the skill ceiling
And is fun having on demand block+rage
sweet summit
my opinion>your opinion
ionic fern
my opinion>your opinion <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Mod power > SF power
So i win.
You guys are all wrong.
strong forum
&mute mwahi 2s
ionic fern
Ok.
sweet summit
doubt it
blazing condor
I volunteer as tribute
strong forum
Well you we can mute
sweet summit
@strong forum get owned
sweet summit
jagged pier
blazing condor
Sense blasphemy wont be allowed
blazing condor
Anything else is senseless(tm)
humble tendon
Sense i Mwahi
blazing condor
teal swift
@strong forum @jagged pier @sweet summit @blazing condor hi my friends, hope your mornings are all good
jagged pier
🤗
blazing condor
Feliz jueves and gm
brittle owl
🥰 🥰
strong forum
Mornin
sweet summit
gm
ocean reef
🛏️
jolly swift
fun fact, i dont own a shield, whats the cheapest/easy way to get one, whatever ilvl haha
jolly swift
haha wouldnt go that low, will try for a vendor somewhere in shadowlands
actually might be able to pvp one
ionic fern
I actually think you can also get one from the Korthia vendor.
Ilvl 200
1000 Stygia per item.
jolly swift
had the honor so 216 pvp shield is an okay start
ionic fern
Ya but the Korthian one you can upgrade to 233
jolly swift
ill have a look
ionic fern
👍
jolly swift
hmm korthian weaponry
teal swift
@ocean reef morning to you too
I got my covid vaccine
I feel like I'm dying
And my arm hurts
Like a lot
ocean reef
Sadge but pog
It'll pass don't worry
I felt like ass the day after my 2nd vaccine but after that it was all good
strong forum
I had 0 side effects on both
pine storm
Didn't have much on first 2, but 3rd made my joints ache and i was shivering when i went to bed that night 😶
strong forum
Getting my booster tomorrow too
pine storm
Gl 😋
sweet summit
you are what you eat
sweet summit
sounds wicked
sweet summit
😳
teal swift
you are what you eat <:peepoBlush:818323879315505233>
🤗 you're yummy
sweet summit
😳
mellow bridge
2nd dose was rly bad for me
Had an awful night
But 3rd dose was pretty chill, just a bit of a headache
ocean reef
Ya I couldn't do shit but feel bad for myself on the 2nd dose
Cold sweats and muscle aches
tame jasper
Didnt feel anything on all my 3 doses - so gl to everyone getting their boosters!
sweet summit
not the place for that here buddy
jagged pier
your opinion is fine, but this is a prot warrior channel not an opinion channel
ionic fern
There's a difference in talking about just getting the shot and going into full concpiracy mode.
sick sentinel
And if my opinion is fine why is it deleted?
ionic fern
I'm sure there are more Discords out there which would welcome your opinions on this matter but as Erga said, this is not the place.
sick sentinel
I'm sorry but this line of thinking doesn't make sense to me
jagged pier
just a reminder this isnt technically an open form 🙂
fluid torrent
I too like coming to a wow discord for my latest conspiracies
sick sentinel
I too like having to see covid and vaccine crap on literal everywhere page I go on any drvice