Give them 4 charges of shield wall :P
#protection
sick sentinel
so i should re-roll venthyr prot
mighty cairn
i miss the days of sinful surge venthyr prot warrior 100% shield block last stand tech
simpler times
sick sentinel
like big beefy boi or whatever that dudes name i shared on yt was
strong forum
T-that never existed
modern brook
I too miss the game wow isn't T.T
strong forum
I mean we can just be nostalgic for 8.1
Even in 8.1 pwar was considered shit for raid
:)
Cuz people are delusional
sick sentinel
i don't have it any more but there is some graph that shows prot warrior is most APM of BFA
mighty cairn
yeah true
sick sentinel
like 20%+ more apm
mighty cairn
if sense didn't post his raid povs every tier i'd never get CE
sick sentinel
than the 2nd
mighty cairn
if he ever leaves prot warrior im 
strong forum
If sense leaves prot the spec is doomed
mighty cairn
if pika stops streaming prot warrior im never getting ksm again
strong forum
That's a weird correlation
modern brook
Lotta pressure on plka today
blazing condor
just wait til he hears about the pipe bomb
sick sentinel
๐ฃ๐ช ๐ชข
blazing condor
Oribos is going down with everyone in it if you mess up
blazing condor
now its in the shadow lands shadow lands
modern brook
Moribos, if u will
blazing condor
i wont tyvm
modern brook
๐ฆ
sick sentinel
okay, so when i look at sb up time and casts in logs does this also mean from reprisal
urban portal
dont look at casts
look at buff uptime
even that doesnt matter
just look at %blocked
sick sentinel
waste 20-40% rage total of rav, spear
SS waste number is large but its a larger gain so its a smaller % waste
teal swift
That's a weird correlation
It is
I make my own routes for ksm, then I get outside routes
I enjoy the process of planning and routing
oblique garnet
Im streaming as Prot Pal tonight in defiance
First the raiding as prot pala now m+ too 
brittle owl
you only hit the brown if the red is blocking the pink after all
oblique garnet
What
brittle owl
what
lime urchin
Wow, boomer
lime urchin
Only boomers do!
oblique garnet
nobody here plays snooker?
Thats not a snooker term
brittle owl
i see you play snooker poorly ๐ค
green python
Hi, do you think the Covenant necro can be better than the kyrian on the 9.2 with the legendary double?
waxen orbit
Heavily dependent on what youโre talking ab
green python
For mm+ content
jagged pier
unlikely
sweet summit
but necro looks very strong in raid
waxen orbit
On M+? Nah necro still a dead pick
sweet summit
not dead lol
waxen orbit
Necro in raid looks good like Erga said
waxen orbit
Necro in M+ is fine if you donโt care about being efficient
oblique garnet
it will still be good willl it be as good as EM +siesmic or seismic AA
Nf will probably be best warrior covenant in m+ next patch
waxen orbit
it will still be good willl it be as good as EM +siesmic or seismic AA
Yea this
waxen orbit
Nf will probably be best warrior covenant in m+ next patch
Doubt
oblique garnet
EM isnt that big and spears rage gen is lower than AA
sweet summit
aa lego>em for dps
jagged pier
Nf will probably be best warrior covenant in m+ next patch
๐คท
green python
You think , NF Can ne better than kyr ?
waxen orbit
I mean yeah in a raw damage vacuum sure
jagged pier
that depends on week and play style really ive now done 10.4k in mists as both kyrian and NF @oblique garnet
sweet summit
brittle owl
cringelord
sweet summit
no u
jagged pier
in raid on pure ST necro will be really good
sweet summit
ok
oblique garnet
that depends on week and play style really ive now done 10.4k in mists as both k...
I havent gotten close to the numbers ive done as kyrian
green python
Do you recommend that I improve the three covenants?
sweet summit
honestly yea
waxen orbit
Spearโs a kite tool, it gives instant rage gen, empowers other abilities, way more consistent use, and it does a shitload of damage โ more than AA in a lot of dungeons currently. Iโd say in quite few situations NF will outvalue kyr but idk maybe my predictions could be wrong
brittle owl
in raid on pure ST necro will be really good
except its cringe gameplay
jagged pier
except its cringe gameplay
not with the tier set
as u will be hogging banner for yourself
brittle owl
yeah lemme just shit the stick out of my ass for dps
jagged pier
I havent gotten close to the numbers ive done as kyrian
๐คท, all i know is ive hit my highest number with both
green python
Thank you for your answers โฅ๏ธ
jagged pier
no
ionic fern
All i know is that i'm staying Kyrian because i'm too lazy to level other renowns.
jagged pier
now that is the way to do it
urban portal
There's also no conditional for staying in with kyrian
brittle owl
stay kyrian if you're not a furry 
urban portal
You lose much less value stepping out of circle with em than nf getting moved
vocal geode
I am 80 with both kyrian and nf, and still go kyrian every time I tank 
phial's been a life saver this week
sweet summit
You lose much less value stepping out of circle with em than nf getting moved
you're the tank. you decide when to move
oblique garnet
The correct answer is that either the pack dies or you do 
brittle owl
urban portal
My necrotic stacks decides for me
brittle owl
necrotic is a healer mechanic
jagged pier
u stand still till back dies
sweet summit
urban portal
So true
jagged pier
stacks get removed out of combat
ionic fern
Can't move with the stand still Anima power anyways.
west walrus
Necrotic is a dps mechanism
urban portal
Why move
jagged pier
Can't move with the stand still Anima power anyways.
TRUE
west walrus
All they have to do is killing the pack before you die
oblique garnet
Did I ruin a pug 20 because I <:revenj:928584583908298812> too hard and didn't p...
Thats just poor play
If a tank dies its always the tanks fault
urban portal
It is
ionic fern
I swear all the SF would take a anima power that reads:
"You can't move anymore when in combat and take 100% increased damage but your own damage dealt is increased by 50%" and go around yelling "HEALER MECHANIC"
oblique garnet
I swear all the SF would take a anima power that reads:
"You can't move anymore ...
Ofc whats life without limit testing
jagged pier
whos using repisal in m+ nowadays
oblique garnet
^
brittle owl
I swear all the SF would take a anima power that reads:
"You can't move anymore ...
i mean, that's just a fancier way of saying healer mechanic
jagged pier
I swear all the SF would take a anima power that reads:
"You can't move anymore ...
THIS
ionic fern
I dont trust myself to press shield block
Have you tried swapping your SB and Intervene/Charge buttons?
vocal geode
jagged pier
have u tired our lord and savior
vocal geode
brittle owl
ionic fern
It's fine..you can't be as stupid as me..i took the "When enemies hit you they take damage" anima power when we were doing 5 tank dungeons and i was not actively tanking so it ended up doing like 1% of my damage.
๐
๐
jagged pier
๐
oblique garnet
You didnt press hard enough
brittle owl
๐
sweet summit
west walrus
I do not think NF will outperform Kyrian next patch in mm+
If only we could test it on PTR 
oblique garnet
But it already does
west walrus
Two cents from a NF :(
oblique garnet
The legendaries will only change that all the more to nightfaes favor
urban portal
What if phial is just big crutch
jagged pier
X
urban portal
Actually nah we boogie out with soulshape
sweet summit
kinda wild to me that they haven't touched first strike
ionic fern
Kinda wild to me that we still don't have more information about double Legendaries on PTR.
oblique garnet
Patch in 1 month
sweet summit
double lego after hof closes ion told me
ionic fern
jagged pier
oblique garnet
double lego after hof closes ion told me <:okayge:917646812519739433>
If you wouldnt get double legendaries for prog that would be the end of wow
sweet summit
10.0 will fix wow
jagged pier
brittle owl
kinda wild that they didn't touch vdh set @sweet summit
oblique garnet
They did
sweet summit
xd
urban portal
kinda wild to me that they haven't touched first strike
Tbf a lot of dps is moving away from first strike
ionic fern
all thats gunna do is add more mobile game mechanics into a pay monthly game
"To enter this raid you need to buy the "HoF DLC" "
jagged pier
"To enter this raid you need to buy the "HoF DLC" "
i would quit on the spot
jagged pier
like honestly for me WoD was perfect
could just raid log
and could log on to do other content when i wanted
ionic fern
"other content".
jagged pier
like i only really want to raid im happy to pay just to raid i dont want to rep farm every patch and do stupid other things so i can actually raid
oblique garnet
Bring back meaningful grind that isnt timegated
sweet summit
Bring back meaningful grind that isnt timegated <:copium:839076283467431956>
like what?
jagged pier
like thats fine
oblique garnet
like what?
Islands
sweet summit
illness
jagged pier
actually no not that
oblique garnet
I lived there for weeks
urban portal
Every grind is ass
oblique garnet
Loved it
urban portal
Lemme raidlog
ionic fern
like i only really want to raid im happy to pay just to raid i dont want to rep ...
That is a bit weird jeah. Even with their subscription based model it's not about "how long the person is online per day" but rather that they actually pay the sub on monthly base.
ionic fern
HOW ABOUT EVERY PATCH THO?!?!
jagged pier
That is a bit weird jeah. Even with their subscription based model it's not abou...
exactly dont force ppl to do stuff they dont want to do and more ppl will stay subbed
ionic fern
AND HOW ABOUT HALF THE POWERS BECOME IRRELEVANT AFTER ONE PATCH?!?!
jagged pier
HOW ABOUT U GRIND A WHOLE SYSTEM JUST FOR NEXT PATCH IT GETS TURNED OFF
oblique garnet
HOW ABOUT U GRIND A WHOLE SYSTEM JUST FOR NEXT PATCH IT GETS TURNED OFF
Imagine 10.0 they bring back every borrowed power system that has existed into one
Artifact weapons/ corruptions essences, covenants etc
Continuity
ionic fern
Going full multiverse.
sweet summit
titanforged corruption
jagged pier
if u only have to grind that once and then they add nothing for the other patches im okay with it
like remeber before SLs
jagged pier
'we will not add new systems eac patch'
ionic fern
So you get it for free.
jagged pier
cause i do
ionic fern
oblique garnet
You already grinded it in previous expansions.
Cant do that
tame jasper
Tank trinket from 9.2 sounds a bit like defense matrix?
oblique garnet
Too many people who didnt
ionic fern
They can farm and suffer.
west walrus
AND HOW ABOUT HALF THE POWERS BECOME IRRELEVANT AFTER ONE PATCH?!?!
Only the half? ๐
oblique garnet
Since when
tame jasper
Farming nowadays is essy
tame jasper
Did you remember creating an rogue alt to farm lock boxes for this rogue faction? ๐
blazing condor
It's fine..you can't be as stupid as me..i took the "When enemies hit you they t...
Just do the most damage and hold aggro ๐
ionic fern
Naa, i suck at the game.
ionic fern
Hello?
blazing condor
@teal swift
ionic fern
teal swift
<:peepoHappy:673436349805625364> <@!766937585431478282>
How are you today!
jagged pier
๐ค
teal swift
Hi Jakey, how are you today!
blazing condor
Tired and unproductive but gonna try and get shit done today 
How are you yourself? ๐
teal swift
It'd like 130am, I'm tired but can't sleep
Insomnia suuucks, been working on d2r grail
Pretty good tho, went to asian market and got some things
blazing condor
asian market sounds dope i should do that more and get some proper stuff
prayge you can sleep soon tho
teal swift
They were out of Yuzu Ponzu
Most of my favourite instant ramens
And didn't have any Gochujang left
Was kinda sad
blazing condor
oblique garnet
What is yuzu ponzu?
teal swift
But I got some dried mandarin, and other soup seasonings to make soup soon
oblique garnet
cant you make that yourself
teal swift
Yuzus are not native to canada
Can't even really buy the fruit
Except from obscure fruit growing hobbyists
So, I generally get Yuzu Ponzu. Unfortunate.
Usually get something like this, but I have to wait for then to restock cause I'm not paying import prices lol
brittle owl
why not buy bulk though
it's not exactly perishable
shelf life is at least 2 years
teal swift
why not buy bulk though
Because, I don't go through a lot
Lol
I use it for marinades, soups, and rice
ocean reef
I've started buying coffee in bulk instead of buying more once a week
โ addict
Saves me money and effort in the end
brittle owl
buying in bulk is better 99% of the time /shrug
brittle owl
Because, I don't go through a lot
i mean, i don't go through alot of shoyu tare either, but i still made a 4 L batch that's gonna last me at least a year
teal swift
i mean, i don't go through alot of shoyu tare either, but i still made a 4 L bat...
I can't really get Yuzu here.
brittle owl
simply because i had to make my gf get bonito from belgium cuz the best i can get here is a premix powder thing
teal swift
Like it's basically I possible to import into canada
brittle owl
i'm assuming you go through 1 bottle of that in like 3 months yeah?
teal swift
More like 6
strong forum
Love miruko
blazing condor
bunny that could crush me
ocean reef
๐ฐ
blazing condor
jagged pier
i regret googling that
ocean reef
That's bait
teal swift
its the same regret i had when i googled gardeviour for the first time
Actual degens
brittle owl
its the same regret i had when i googled gardeviour for the first time
people lewding pokemon ain't nothing new
teal swift
I wonder if Jakey misspelled Gardevoir intentionally
To make it seem like he doesn't know it
๐ฃ
jagged pier
no i just cant spell
teal swift
no i just cant spell
Insert the hit buttons psychosis meme thing here
blazing condor
Yeah i've heard about this thing called Pornogrefy but i dont know what it is
strong forum
Is this where I post the water evee meme
brittle owl
jakey is bad with the buttons for spek
strong forum
Forgot the name
blazing condor
Vaporeon
brittle owl
vaporeon
strong forum
That's it
blazing condor
did you guys know that in terms of-
brittle owl
i hate the fact that i know this
blazing condor
its just science
blazing condor
you can never know too much in this world ๐
teal swift
Vaporeon <:yep:703420923625078804>
I uh
brittle owl
shut up yuzu, we prob know
strong forum
strong forum
No fite
strong forum
blazing condor
this day we fite
blazing condor
gn gn
jagged pier
gn
blazing condor
<@186864948343865344> <:garms:917120195527598201>
wat
sweet summit
blazing condor
blazing condor
It reminds me of this club i went to the other day called Fight Club where you fought a bunch of people it was really fun lol
i came a bit late though so i missed the introductions and rules but it went well regardless
ocean reef
blazing condor
sexual thrill
sweet summit
need u to calm down or enter my dms
blazing condor
๐ณ
sweet summit
blazing condor
is there a breakpoint yet where it'd ever be more use to use Outburst for TC than SS?
like at 10 mobs or something idk
sick sentinel
me, top 13, 218 shaman in qeue for like 5 minutes finally take him for lust "wow i've been waiting in que forever!" also shaman for every mechanic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXPC2HXjrYU
sweet summit
is there a breakpoint yet where it'd ever be more use to use Outburst for TC tha...
no ๐
sick sentinel
no cuz it gives rage, which we can spend on revenje, higher dps than clap
ionic fern
no cuz it gives rage, which we can spend on revenje, higher dps than clap
How did your target dummy training go?
sick sentinel
it went as a failed +13 top that i wasted less rage in
blazing condor
that doesnt sound like a training dummy
ionic fern
^
blazing condor
no
ionic fern
No.
blazing condor
there's a million times more things in focus when running a dungeon
that you don't do on a dummy
its like saying a boxing match and hitting a boxing bag is the same thing
ionic fern
I mean, at the end of the day it's up to you if you want to listen to our feedback or not but there comes a point where people will just give up helping you if you don't take the advise offered.
sick sentinel
sure, but what can i possibly learn from attacking a storm wind dummy
ionic fern
You can learn how not to waste rage and do your rotation properly without having to focus on other things going on.
Which you are heavily struggling with looking at your videos/logs.
๐
sick sentinel
i didn't waste rage but SB wasn't high enough or enough blocked
and i had 6000 rage from SS as opposed to 4000 from a prior run yesterday
lime urchin
Sad, many revenj not revenjed!
blazing condor
F in chat for all the revenges that never became
sick sentinel
im not sure how you stalked my log, this ones under a different email
i guess it goes by character name
ionic fern
i guess it goes by character name
Everything goes by character name.
sick sentinel
im not mad that you guys found it i'm mad that i don't know how you did lol
sick sentinel
oh
jagged pier
51% blocked hits
ionic fern
Even if you don't log but someone else logs it still shows under your character name.
jagged pier
using fueled by violence
sick sentinel
yeah i was kliea for the prior +12 halls
not that im say that excuses anything just that i didn't change it
jagged pier
i mean we've never ever used fueld by violence
sick sentinel
in the pins for mik haste
and we've discussed and come to conclusion that BV and IV conduits are bad
jagged pier
yah cause nomes dumb and doesnt go left side
sick sentinel
haste tho
jagged pier
yer u go left at the top
so u only get 3 endurance
his is a joint tree
u play arms?
doesnt even matter anymore
can swap whenevver u want
sick sentinel
can't remember what NF lvl is but its above 55, and venth is lowest
NL kyr is 80
both leggos
dawn canyon
Venth ๐ฉ
sick sentinel
less waste as in compared to this 12 halls, 4 seconds left btw
over 1k just from 2 abilities
jagged pier
just because u wasted more in another dungeon doesnt make the 1.5k okay
both are dreadful
i get angry when i waste anything over like 200 rage
dawn canyon
i get angry when i waste anything over like 200 rage
wastes rage
gains rage irl
sick sentinel
i try to do lots more of that party hover frame to intervene melee
sometimes goes to range getting it down better though
strong forum
Over 20%of the rage you gained has been wasted
sick sentinel
its not great yet
dawn canyon
Maybe make a weakaura the physically yells at you if you waste a drop of rage
And then if it hurts your ears you do your best to avoid it
Hightech solution
strong forum
Just have a WA that gives you an airhorn or smth at 85 rage
To tell you to press IP
jagged pier
we've told u about link vids and streams in here yogi
ionic fern
Anyways Yogi, do you see the importance of going to the Dummy now?
wooden radish
@ionic fern 
stop talking sense
ionic fern
jagged pier
imagine using yen over triss
wooden radish
Yen > Triss
jagged pier
ionic fern
wooden radish
yikes
wooden radish
they miscast triss on the show
jagged pier
yep
wooden radish
triss is a good side fuck but yen for life.
jagged pier
i mean dat wrong but yet each to their own i guess
wooden radish
you're wrong
sick sentinel
waifu crap?
wooden radish
i came here to figure out how to stop wasting rage. figured you knew all about that yogi
sick sentinel
why? (1) should i go to training dummy (2) proding joking
oblique garnet
i get angry when i waste anything over like 200 rage
Should be zero
jagged pier
yer i agree
but margin or error I give myself is 200 over like a dungeon
like when u charge avatar spear etc u gain a fair bit of rage
oblique garnet
Charge, Avatar into a revenge -> spear
Wont cap nearly as often
Also gets that dw rolling
west walrus
- IP after charge
mortal brook
I'm also here for learning how to not waste rage cuz Maul seems wasteful in general
terrible spender
0/10
mellow bridge
just press your thrash if macro more
sick sentinel
swiper no swiping
oblique garnet
I'm also here for learning how to not waste rage cuz Maul seems wasteful in gene...
Go away bear 
mortal brook
:sadbear:
mortal brook
climate change, im out early
sick sentinel
blame fire mage
fluid torrent
stuck wraith
I'm about to start progging on Mythic raid tonight. My logs are linked below. Any tips for me? I'm nervous; never tanked Mythic prog before. Only heroic. Everyone says I'ma do fine but I'm super nervous. (I just realized I'm in my PvP gear but I'm 246 iLvl in prot raid gear. I also run Kyr; I'm just Necro for PvP) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/262460#difficulty=4
wild hemlock
i came here to figure out how to stop wasting rage. figured you knew all about t...
the legend shows up
lime urchin
Even if you don't log but someone else logs it still shows under your character ...
I did not know this. Apparently one of the bois have been logging. Now I am sad as I saw my SB downtime and wasted revenj
sometimes it is better to live in ignorance than seeing the hard truth
the hard truth of the lost revenj
mellow bridge
I'm about to start progging on Mythic raid tonight. My logs are linked below. An...
You should long-term be looking to swap to Reprisal for most fights
it's a lot better than the wall
twilit jay
decanter of anima-charged winds decent ?
mellow bridge
if you are literally raiding today and have no idea how to play reprisal, then just stick with your comfort choice for now but you should def be looking to swap
Mediocre and often unreliable in real combat as the hitbox is quite small
mellow bridge
and try to replace your consumptive organ trinket asap
stuck wraith
I have a 246 IQD I can replace the organ with
mellow bridge
nothing else?
stuck wraith
Uhhhh. Lemme see what I have. I have a lot of trinkets.
mellow bridge
ilvl isnt hugely important for trinkets
jagged pier
conduits u want to run piercing verdict, unvering focus, stalwart guardian, anima sphere
mellow bridge
even lower ilvl ones can be a massive improvement
jagged pier
and u want to run ITF over ravager in raid
stuck wraith
I had Ravager for M+
jagged pier
not in the raid logs im looking at
stuck wraith
Gotcha.
jagged pier
the wall is fine for the first 2 bosses
as on tarragrue it doesnt matter and the wall is really good for prog on the eye
but for anything later repisal is flat out better
and flat out better in m+
stuck wraith
For trinks I have 226 Codex of the First Technique, 246 IQD, 226 Weave of Warped Fates, 246 Overwhelming Power Crystal. I got a 246 OWS to drop last week so I'm running that and the organ currently.
jagged pier
u run codex and OWS
stuck wraith
Copy. So I'm looking for a 233 upgrade on Codex, yeah?
strong forum
Either Codex + ows or ows + opc
jagged pier
no just codex is one of your better trinkets
mellow bridge
codex isnt particularly good and you shouldnt aim to get it
it's just better than the rest of your choices
stuck wraith
Gotcha
jagged pier
yes nome but he really needs to work on his defensives
30% blocked hits
on the nine log im looking at
jagged pier
i mean hes running wall and AM
no muyuu u reading wrong
thats 70% hit
not blocked hits
stuck wraith
Tbh I've been prioritizing offensives for my rage usage over defensives on a lot of fights because I asked my healers and they said I wasn't hurting too bad.
stuck wraith
I do know how to manage uptime on Shield Block and Ignore Pain though
oblique garnet
๐ stop looking at my eye log
mellow bridge
๐ stop looking at my eye log
Eye is a fake boss anyways
jagged pier
that is atrocious
oblique garnet
Eye is a fake boss anyways <:ratge:890357732543168594>
The entire raid is a YOKE
stuck wraith
Soooo I need to be SB a lot more instead of using Revenge. Copy.
What slot am I looking to put Reprisal in?
because Vault has a 252 cloak in there.
oblique garnet
Use SB when youre actively tanking boss
mellow bridge
if you are getting melee hit (or being hit by other blockable stuff (check out our reflect/block sheet)) you should have SB up
strong forum
yes nome but he really needs to work on his defensives
Ah, I haven't been looking at logs
jagged pier
hes not running repisal
strong forum
WHere TC
jagged pier
i mean where SB
jagged pier
u charge and intervene weave with rep in raid @oblique garnet
oblique garnet
u charge and intervene weave with rep in raid <@!143839248422928384>
Ofc
But not playing reprisal lowers apm alot
strong forum
In raid pwar should have 75ish cpm, without reprisal it should be like 65
jagged pier
it doesnt by that much actually
strong forum
Reprisal adds 7-10cpm
stuck wraith
Wouldn't a 65cpm put my gcd cooldown at under a second? How much haste does that require?
jagged pier
my guardian log with the wall 69 CPM
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p8MrhvGQHdx23BNc#fight=14&type=casts
mellow bridge
you have stuff that isnt on the gcd
stuck wraith
Well, nah, I guess not bc IP and SB are off gcd
mellow bridge
like sb and ip
strong forum
You have off gcd stuff
oblique garnet
Intervene and charge arent on gcd either
stuck wraith
I just started tanking at the beginning of 9.1 so there's obviously a lot I don't know.
mellow bridge
well
ignoring any of your conduits and trinkets and all that stuff
compared to your shield block uptime, those basically dont matter at all
prot warr IS shield block
you need to work on that
jagged pier
well he doesnt press it
stuck wraith
Oh, lemme go switch back to Kyr and show you my conduits I've got
strong forum
Hint
stuck wraith
Honestly, I thought IP was better than SB.
jagged pier
we are looking at your kyrian conduits
oblique garnet
@jagged pier holy shit your cotank sucks
jagged pier
merus really good @oblique garnet
oblique garnet
merus really good <@!143839248422928384>
At what?
mellow bridge
press SB
strong forum
IP is limited, SB isn't
oblique garnet
He sure isnt doing dps
oblique garnet
Yeah but hes a monk
stuck wraith
So am I taking this in vault to replace The Wall at some point soon?
oblique garnet
Monk can roll head on keyboard and live
jagged pier
well true
jagged pier
but my monk dont do damage cause i dont have the leggo
stuck wraith
So, consensus I'm gathering from y'all. Use ITF instead of Rav. Switch Wall to Reprisal. Use SB like my life depends on it.
strong forum
Your life does depend on it
And it's a dmg gain to press SB
So there really isn't any loss to be had
plush tendon
Yea, SB uptime important
stuck wraith
It's also 25% cheaper than IP
plush tendon
IP is poop
stuck wraith
Yeah, I would guess so. If I'm taking a 30k chunk, it's guaranteed to block 15k of it, which one IP is only getting me 8.3k
mellow bridge
IP can only help out in smoothing your dmg intake AFTER sb
it will never be a replacement unless it's pure unblockable dmg
plush tendon
IP should only really be used if you are overcapping on rage and cant spend it on revenge fast enough or there is a non-blockable damage intake
stuck wraith
Do I prio IP for magic damage though?
plush tendon
Ideally yea
strong forum
You prio IP when you know you need it to live
plush tendon
unless you can Spell reflect the spell coming at you
strong forum
And when you need to dump rage
stuck wraith
ie. the battery explosion or the aoe damage on Guardian
plush tendon
those are good times to have IP up
strong forum
For example yeah
stuck wraith
I try to max on IP during pool cleanup on Syl, too. Places like that.
plush tendon
but I assume those are also times raid healing CDs are going out
jagged pier
Hes doing 3k less dps than our monk tank
i mean he was lvling NF at the time so of course he not be doing damage
stuck wraith
jagged pier
for raiding u just go down the left side
oblique garnet
Thats excuses
stuck wraith
This better?
So, with Reprisal, I want to be moving around a lot, yeah? basically using Charge/Intervene off cd?
oblique garnet
When youre actively tanking you dont really want to move the boss
otherwise your melee will flame
stuck wraith
Well I can Intervene a melee next to me though, right?
jagged pier
u dont need to move the boss
there are tones of mechanics where the boss will stand still
where u can move out and charge back
jagged pier
same with actual move out mechanics
stuck wraith
Oh god. That's genius.
jagged pier
u can also just do this
stuck wraith
jagged pier
stuck wraith
You linked the edit link lol
jagged pier
the boss literally wont move
stuck wraith
Leap behind and charge in?
jagged pier
honestly u shouldnt care about it u should really just focus on using the actual SB correctly
because u are not
stuck wraith
I am gonna run a Painsmith kill later to try and help my DH get a Veinripper. I'll try to use SB properly in that fight and link log from it.
Actually, I could just do it on a dummy rq.
stuck wraith
Just with aggro
jagged pier
not even all the time then
if the boss is casting u dont need
if theres a machanic happening that requires the boss to do somthing or u move away u dont need it
stuck wraith
Yeah, it's gonna take some practice and getting used to. Thank you
Now, if I don't have aggro and there's not raidwide going on, Revenge is fine, right?
If there is raidwide going out, should I keep IP up?
strong forum
Depends on the amount of raid wide dmg
Most raid wide stuff is fairly irrelevant to tanks
stuck wraith
Alrighty. Thank you all for the advice! I will work on everything! ๐
stuck wraith
@jagged pier, I notice in the video you linked you're running Rav. Is that because of the large number of adds?
stuck wraith
Ohhh okay. So never ever run rav in raid?
jagged pier
no
stuck wraith
Not even in Fate during the tank add phase once you burn it?
jagged pier
no
stuck wraith
Copy
jagged pier
u never run it in raid
tepid nest
i know nothing official has been posted but is there any word from blizz on fixing/addressing the issues/bugs with the tier set yet?
oh wait nvm, i just checked pins
when was that change slipped in?
sweet summit
this reset (EU)
last reset (NA)
jagged pier
Last week
tepid nest
was it always 30 rage or has that been brought down from 40? can't recall
ahh no, it was always 30
modern brook
@ionic fern how does the change eliminate avatar removing stacks?
If I'm at 4 stacks and hammer avatar do I have 4 seeing red stacks and outburst?
blazing condor
Ayaya
broken stratus
our tier set looks balance and seem like it synergize well with AM. i try between HR and AM in high key, i like HR much better. whats the chance they will buff our tier set more ? every other tank tier set just looks so op.
urban portal
brew tier set is bad
plush tendon
our tier set looks balance and seem like it synergize well with AM. i try betwee...
I think its more likely they nerf other tanks tier sets then buff ours
plush tendon
v will get nerfed 100%
already has been
plush tendon
Blood DK and Prot Paladin may be looked at next
urban portal
damn brew is now pretty good
urban portal
easy to use and synergises with the best leggo
plush tendon
I havnt PTRed, so I cant tell you from experience, but Brew on paper was like 'yea, seems cool'
urban portal
blood seems ok tho
a bit strong but not too strong
their aoe damage is god awful
so this would push them up reasonably
plush tendon
Well, having increased uptime on DRW will make them very tanky in M+
plush tendon
its a dangerous road they are on; though, their cov legos are kind of trash
urban portal
real question is the parried heart strike
does that generatea 5 runic power
but i think its not rediculous
plush tendon
well, in large enough packs, you are keeping that STR buff from the 2pc pretty much the whole time plus just having DRW up for so long
for sure a tier set geared toward dungeons though
modern brook
From what they've said
The goal is to have the heart strike from set act as any other heart strike
So "yes"
plush tendon
Tuning will probably be the big factor
Like, blood set might be awesome OP, but they may keep it as is to compensate for the fact their lego options are meh
And they havnt even done much in terms of balancing of the classes themselves
all attention has been on tier sets so far
just so many 'knobs' (as Ion puts it) to manage
modern brook
I mean
Ultimately that serves the same purpose
There's no spec in the game rn that requires borrowed power to complete a normal raid
pseudo sigil
Dude
It's a small thing but upper reaches is open this week meaning I get reprisal today on my new warrior
Hype
sick sentinel
don't craft leggos till 9.2 then
pseudo sigil
oh shit
sick sentinel
or like only craft your absolute bis
pseudo sigil
what if I wanna be a baller
sick sentinel
cuz you getting one that covers your current covenant leggo, switches with you
sweet summit
you could run 18 floors of layer 1 and 2 then 6(?) floors of layer 3 to get the legendary
or you could wait for upper reaches
pseudo sigil
you *could* run 18 floors of layer 1 and 2 then 6(?) floors of layer 3 to get th...
exactly what I didn't wanna do
sick sentinel
can be equip with another one, so it saves u up to 3 crafts
sick sentinel
refund the players ashes if it was within 6 months
turn relevant items grey vendor trash
pseudo sigil
not gonna lie I'm lost and don't see the benefit to not having legendaries that I wanna play now. are you saying the covenant legendaries will be free or something when 9.2 drops?
blazing condor
you *could* run 18 floors of layer 1 and 2 then 6(?) floors of layer 3 to get th...
Miss me with that 42 floors of torghast
pseudo sigil
haha yeah exactly
sick sentinel
the item u make will be interchangable
pseudo sigil
how does that affect reprisal?
sick sentinel
it will adapt to ur chosen cov
pseudo sigil
ah
sick sentinel
cuz then we get to pair it with something else
pseudo sigil
I see
sick sentinel
yeah, so u will be able to have this new one, and your chosen non covenant one together same time, cant do like (reprisal + the wall)
pseudo sigil
yeah for sure
errant oriole
Hey guys would venthyr be good at all in 9.2?
scenic mural
it will adapt to ur chosen cov
Can you send me the link that explains this feature
Or where to find it
plush tendon
Hey guys would venthyr be good at all in 9.2?
Playable for sure; good? No. As of right now its the worst option
Would recommend staying away from Venth; stick to Kyrian, NF, or Necro (for 9.2, Necro could be spicey)
errant oriole
Alrighty
Just wasn't sure if it would of matched up with cove leggo with set bonuses
scenic mural
So am I hearing that we get cov leggy as well as our leggo of choice?
plush tendon
Yep
scenic mural
So don't build covenant leggy rn?
dusky mica
I'm sceptical that 2x legendaries will available early in the patch. I think they won't be unlocked until later.
sweet summit
defo craft reprisal
dusky mica
2x Lego's is going to wreck raid tuning.
dawn canyon
200% safe craft
dawn canyon
2x Lego's is going to wreck raid tuning.
question is if raid is tuned for x2 leggo and hard af on rwf or like this one
where it dies once you have shards
errant oriole
Is reprisal still going to be on legs i wander?
plush tendon
2x Lego's is going to wreck raid tuning.
I mean, getting double lego X amount of weeks down the line will ruin raiding tuning for everyone but the world first race
dusky mica
I feel like there's no way they will enable them for this world first clown show
plush tendon
Why not?
dawn canyon
if the boss hp compensates for it
let them go ham
because if boss hp is tuned for x2 leggo and they go in with low ilvl and one leggo thats going to be a miserable ass race
jagged pier
nah your underestimating top guilds
plush tendon
I feel like we are going to head into the new zone, and the first quest is gonna be like 'check out this cool forge' and your cov leader is like 'yo, bro, I got what you need' and you craft your cov lego
jagged pier
like in legion double leggos took a while
and the raid was cleared before them
like dont forget they knocked off 5% with optimization on slyv which is a ridiculous amount of dps with like no gear
top guilds are literally insane
plush tendon
nah your underestimating top guilds
I mean, top guilds will find a way. But I hope we dont equate a first tier raid to a last tier raid
They'll hit their head against a boss as long as they think its doable
dusky mica
The bosses in the new raid that they have tested raid are not that good. Even Anduins add phase was kinda dumb.
sick sentinel
Can you send me the link that explains this feature
its on the PTR
or wow head at the very least ptr
jagged pier
KJ was actually undo able they still put like 300 pulls into p1
and literallly every one thought avatar was mathematically impossible even some top guilds
one proved them wrong
plush tendon
The bosses in the new raid that they have tested raid are not that good. Even An...
Max released a video of how he rates the boss; most em he thinks are pretty good
strong forum
one proved them wrong
This
plush tendon
will have to wait and see if Mythic changes that
jagged pier
^^
plush tendon
sounds dumb
strong forum
:)
jagged pier
very
strong forum
Gotta milk dem subs
dusky mica
doesn't unlocking flying take almost a month now?
plush tendon
I think 3 weeks
dusky mica
3 weeks sweaty play, yes
strong forum
Flying is borderline useless tho from what I've heard
jagged pier
so longer for most ppl
plush tendon
Yea, dont even need to be in the new zone if power gains
I know people who havnt even stepped foot into Korthia and have only seen Venaris entrance of the maw
to get to Torggie
jagged pier
well there dom gems must be shit
sick sentinel
dusky mica
For newer players this game is kind of a mess, aye.
jagged pier
for any player
sick sentinel
Gotta milk dem subs
The notorious hacker known only as 4chan struck again, leaking that "we are getting "Cute but deadly" season 1: NFT's that you can buy with wow tokens" to paraphrase
blazing condor
Doubt blizzard would gamble with implementing NFTs into the game considering the HUGE amount of backlash every other company has gotten (from players obv) for trying the same
Then again its blizz
So they probably dont care
chilly brook
I've got like 20 days left on sub
What's the over/under that they do something stupid to convince me to not pay for more gametime?
distant crystal
no
mellow bridge
No but grinding rep to revered is usually a few weeks at least for most factions
sick sentinel
better than exalted
waxen orbit
Imagine being given the opportunity to give players exactly what they want while simultaneously going for the lowest effort option
And still choosing to put in more effort just to disappoint and enrage your halved player base
10/10 game dev skills
โLetโs make this locked behind a requirement that will shaft the ability to have any viable alts in genuinely competitive content, and essentially hinder players from actually playing double lego (one of the main selling points of our patch) for weeks, if not an entire month after the releaseโ
Iโll give $10 via Venmo to anyone who can find someone who unironically enjoys rep grinding that
A. Isnโt a Blizz shill/employee
and B. Doesnโt fucking hate themselves
mellow bridge
Yeah I'm honestly baffled at this decision
Especially after they straight up told us in an interview that there will be no grinds for player power in the new zone
It's ridiculous
gaunt dawn
hasty cedar
Hope they change it before release
At least we can test double leggo in PTR right now
dawn canyon
Iโll give $10 via Venmo to anyone who can find someone who unironically enjoys r...
A grinds worth always is tied to it's reward
While Belt is massive it's nothing we couldnt have before
Since the powers arent new
I will do it but same as with you i wont enjoy it
waxen orbit
Especially after they straight up told us in an interview that there will be no ...
Ion on his way to lie again:
dawn canyon
You know what's worst
They get Feedback on this
But probably wont change it anyways
dusky mica
chrome falcon
Do we have PTR confirmation that the new 4set doesn't eat your current stacks of the 2set?
(I know that's how we all assumed it would work, but you never know)
mighty valley
revered takes like no time you big babies
sick sentinel
Is this still true? I was looking at the sheet for what can be spell reflected and saw this under painsmith.
sick sentinel
What makes it hard?
urban portal
Do we have PTR confirmation that the new 4set doesn't eat your current stacks of...
It works fine now
Rly good
chrome falcon
Thank god
mighty valley
you have to space bar jump and then leap at peak of jump, so it's awkward
chrome falcon
Yeah the HC leap timing is just super precise
You have to time your jump correctly and then time your HC leap correctly
sick sentinel
Wait, so you need to be in mid air to leap? Like Spacebar then leap ?
chrome falcon
Yup
and you have to aim your leap properly
so that the peak of your character's jump is over the balls
if i remember rightly, you have to jump when the balls are exactly 2 squares away, and aim the leap exactly 2 squares behind the balls
mighty valley
you need to smash bros double jump
chrome falcon
so yeah doing it on progression is massively trolling
fun to practice on wipes though
sick sentinel
Hm, gonna see if I can find a vod of someone doing it. Thanks for the info!
sick sentinel
Yeah, but I'd like to do it on M lol Sometimes you get those really bad overlaps and when SS/immune to cc pot are down, I'd like another option besides dying lol
urban portal
Yeah that's why we say practice in normal
mighty valley
Burns some time but you can do LFR as many times as you like, balls won't even kill you
sick sentinel
Okay, I found a vod. Maybe if I just do it going linear over diagonal it should be fine and if a small gap.
sick sentinel
Burns some time but you can do LFR as many times as you like, balls won't even k...
Yeah, I'll be doing that. Gonna invest in the heroic leap leggo too.
sick sentinel
This is 4 mythic week quest right and what ilvl if so
sick sentinel
Watch it give me another 239 weave or bracers
urban portal
Lol y u complaining
I thought you don't raid mythic
I mean heroic
Isn't this the best way for you to get sockets
sick sentinel
Well it's like those are going away now right
mighty valley
Sure but all of your gear is gonna be irrelevant real fast next patch