or someone refuses to see the tentacle slam
#protection
sick sentinel
nnooooo
distant crystal
when someone kicked early so you knew you were wiping in like 10secs
sick sentinel
fuckin, the hat boss
strong forum
distant crystal
but...those fat trinkets
sick sentinel
and then it scales with key lvl so at high keys u have to actually dps it and there is a timer
only good thing about him is easy AF reset assuming u killed bot bridge packs
or didn't steatlh
cuz i remember inviting people and that was the biggest wall in that whole place, bigger than 2nd
sick sentinel
oh the str fish trinket? our new-to-game hunter asked the (str user? not me) for the trinket
guy trades him str trinket
sick sentinel
so, dk was pissed lol
jagged pier
🤗
blazing condor
SoTS was a shit dg design wise
Bad spawns and really flavorless ways people would do bosses
Go into water on 3rd to rid the debuff cus you couldnt dps it down or just standing outside the arena for 2nd boss
strong forum
yeah that was bullshit
need to do more dmg towards the MC than the boss has health
real normal
and to this day its not fixed
mellow bridge
shrine was a cool dungeon in a properly coordinated group
except for 2nd boss
a lot of nice big pulls with some creative setup, diff strats you could do
but it was horrible with pugs
blazing condor
Respawn points were kinda ass imo but they always are
mellow bridge
oh yeah that was a thing actually huh
blazing condor
So many groups where youd get to 2nd boss. Wipe. Then it was just gg
mellow bridge
and most of the time you didnt even kill the mob that activated the shortcut
man I wish every dungeon just automatically had a spawn point at the last killed boss
blazing condor
Sots still better than sl dungeons tho 
sick sentinel
undersuck
if you light the fires in shrine you can take a taxi half way across the map
blazing condor
Yeah but thats after 2nd boss
Unless you would go do that before the boss but thats loser mentality
sick sentinel
just whenever you could light the fire
both of them
but, in a competent group, you'd never need to do that anyhow
blazing condor
Point is still you respawn in the beginning if you wipe on 2nd boss
Which is aids
Especially if you would skip packs and such
Idrk what the meta was cus i didnt do anything higher than 18s or so but sometimes youd lock-gate to skip packs before 1st boss
regal glen
blazing condor
I used to back in bfa 🙂
strong forum
mellow bridge
you didnt even kill the pack for the respawn point in high keys
cinder storm
Thanks, just got to see your response
distant crystal
legion timewalking m+ made me really miss good respawn points
if you wipe on the last boss of vault you just spawn at the last boss lol
blazing condor
Same thing in dos 😎
patent radish
Sephuz's Proclamation; this lego isnt worth anything in M+?, seems that with all that haste is about 30 secs longer than The Wall, not looking at less desoriented part but at the stats gain that may help with rest of CDs reductions caused by haste , has anyone tried it?
strong forum
from what i know its just trash
it cant beat reprisal in any way shape or form
sephuz is equal to having just 320 more total stats, thats nothing compared to a real legendary
sephuz proc itself is less than 3% haste
garbage
mighty valley
don't fully get the hate for SL dungeons
yeah a lot of them can be kinda linear but... worse than shrine? cmon
urban portal
Sephuz's Proclamation; this lego isnt worth anything in M+?, seems that with all...
It's pretty ass
blazing condor
nah i was just kidding shrine is ass
urban portal
Ye top
blazing condor
and mists is only fun because you can do big numbers
the dungeon itself isn't particularly interesting imo
just the lesser of all evils
strong forum
mists is fun because there is some degree of choice of mob pulling
and no dumbfuck interrupt CC rotations
no insane mob packs to avoid
all of it is managable in a way
and decently big pulls
oblique hedge
you could say that about more dungeons
chilly brook
Ehhhh
sweet summit
mists is fun when it's not tyrannical/inspiring 
chilly brook
you could say that about more dungeons
Like outside of the first 3 pulls or so none of the trash in mists feels oppressive
Almost every dungeon has a bunch of trash that has a bunch of stuff that needs to be kicked consistently
SD, HoA and Spires all come to mind as keys that just feel like "hey heres a bunch of stuff you have to kick, have fun"
teal swift
and no dumbfuck interrupt CC rotations
I don't like mists because I can't pull 2-3 stags 
My favourite key is ToP
blazing condor
i think NW is my favorite
easy to do, feels good to do with many big pulls and all the powerups
teal swift
I actually dread NW keys
I always run into issues on the bosses, and the minibiss Necro pull
Group struggles for some reason, I like top because it's consistent and we'll paced.
blazing condor
my perception on NW has changed throughout the xpac depending on the routes ive had
for s2 i found a good route that feels easy to do
skip miniboss and keep it simple yet still save a lot of time through efficient pulling
chilly brook
I always run into issues on the bosses, and the minibiss Necro pull
Oof just bring a warlock and skip it with gate
teal swift
Oof just bring a warlock and skip it with gate
I don't want to skip it
I want to kill the hyper efficient narzudah pull lol
chilly brook
Or a priest or a rogue or I guess you could just be basic and just use an invis pot
blazing condor
the chad heroic leap > grab cleavers > pull narzudah > orb
teal swift
It's like a 10% pull and you have orb
blazing condor
you can do that but its not really needed imo
teal swift
Idk why we struggle
chilly brook
Yea but if you skip you can do a much more efficient 4 pack pull with orb
And the goliath orbs
blazing condor
its a tough pull
teal swift
One day we'll nail the pull
blazing condor
but cool to do it
teal swift
It's extremely efficient time to % ratio
blazing condor
you also dont need the invis if you wanna save pot for dmg pot or anything
chilly brook
Just death strike harder 4 head
teal swift
you also dont need the invis if you wanna save pot for dmg pot or anything
I play bdk
chilly brook
Smh use Consumption to heal the group
teal swift
I like my warrior, but I'm not good enough at it
I have a timed 20 on my warrior and my bdk
chilly brook
Plz blizz make Consumption baseline again and give the leech aura back to it
teal swift
One each, stopped pushing, I'm happy I can tank 19-20 keys on multiple tanks tho
chilly brook
teal swift
Plz blizz make Consumption baseline again and give the leech aura back to it
Might help with threat
chilly brook
The leech aura was bliss
Felt so good
"Ay yo healer don't heal for the next 15 seconds just do damage I got the heals covered"
I don't actually remember how long the aura lasted
teal swift
Bring back consumption baseline, idk what I'd keybind it to
Reppace amz with consumption
mighty valley
i do think it's good for dps to have responsibilities other than just mad aoe but just planning kicks does get tiresome
teal swift
Kicks are off gcd
What u complaining about
You can literally do it mis rotation lol
urban portal
It's bad if your nameplates r shit
chilly brook
You can literally do it mis rotation lol
I know you can doesnt make it feel any more fun
mellow bridge
ngl I dislike the overly huge focus by blizz on making what feels like every single mob require several kicks
especially in pugs, in the end the one punished by it are the tank and healers
or make more kicks that directly fuck over the dps if they go through so they learn it lmao
waxen vale
I haven't played much prot Warr I main paladin and I've tried all tanks out it seems like warrior has sooooo many more buttons to push
But everyone says it's a much more straightforward tank
blazing condor
The general rotation isn't that many buttons to keep track of
but we have a lot of buttons that can also be big helps depending on situations
imo brewmaster was more buttons to press
waxen vale
Yeah I would say that it's more like a kit that you can utilize than a necessary rotation
But still its so much to track
blazing condor
yeah so the "core buttons" aren't that many. But mastering the class requires a lot of more buttons to be pressed
blazing condor
what do you feel is a lot to track specifically?
waxen vale
Like all the different offensive and defensive cds
The different ccs
Paladins have one stun
A blind with a talent
That I haven't used since 8.3
I have a feeling if I played Warrior a lot and went back to pal would feel naked
blazing condor
The only real important thing to keep uptime on is Shield Block and the rest should kinda come naturally through just playing and experience
CC-wise there's only really Shockwave and Intim shout if you dont run Storm Bolt
its probably just a matter of playing and getting more comfortable playing the class
waxen vale
One question I have is do you use whirlwind much?
Sometimes I get the revenge proc but I could whirlwind
In aoe
blazing condor
Generally no not at all. I don't have it on my bar. Revenge is a better dump for damage than whirlwind. However some people have been playing a bit with whirlwind with the Merciless Bonegrinder conduit
but that isn't really worth doing
mellow bridge
you can take whirlwind off your bars
it's just a worse revenge unless you play a meme build
blazing condor
You definitely CAN get good overall dps but yeah warrior is a bit below other classes
safe thistle
i dunno i keep pulling aggro off other tank in raid sometime i completely need to stop shield slamming.....
strong forum
That just means your cotank is trash
outer solstice
ST DPs of warriors can be quite good in raid
jagged pier
No that tanks just bad
outer solstice
but yeah usualyl the cco-tank is trash
safe thistle
well its a dk
outer solstice
in a raid setting every tank can pull enough aggro
strong forum
Dk is the lowest dmg tank yes, but still
safe thistle
yah i dont like the feeling i get though its like i gotta restrain myself
strong forum
Under normal circumstances only a pally can outaggro others, cuz wings + ashen
outer solstice
we had a problem some time ago and noticed I was pulling with pot and he wasn't
that caused me to overnuke on him every pull
safe thistle
yah i pot and have my banner on pull
outer solstice
the other tank has to use his DPS CDs as well,... you running glory? if not 15 seconds should not be that big of a deal
strong forum
If you don't play glory
Don't play necro
You're just a liability at that point
By not playing glory
safe thistle
why
safe thistle
i dont have a choice with spear i pull too much threat anyway
strong forum
Necro with reprisal is by default like 300dps behind
safe thistle
even on fight like soulrender with easy charge interve ?
strong forum
Necro with glory is the strongest pure ST dps version of pwar
On multitarget necro is absolutely horse cock
safe thistle
hmmm
blazing condor
horse cock
blazing condor
i feel like pwarr has good initial burst though i usually always pull aggro from other tanks
on pull
with avatar + DS + spear and whatnot
safe thistle
yah with lust devastator hurt like a truck
strong forum
They open with 25k+ dps
blazing condor
well ashen + wings and all that is just unfair
they dont count
dont ruin my mental gymnastics 🙂
strong forum
waxen vale
well its a dk
Looooooool someone's playing dk still oof
safe thistle
it help on soulrender :/
hes a good tank for m+ though he do 22+ keys
maybe hes too defensive
blazing condor
i mean not every tank try to squeeze as much damage as possible
you can just focus on staying alive and doing your mechanics and its usually fine
unless youre really up there trying to push
safe thistle
our healer like tank that self heal cause they are not able to pull 10k hps.....
strong forum
On pull I can see how you rip off of a dk
He pulls 10k hps because he takes 12k dtps
Don't confuse that
safe thistle
no i mean the healer
strong forum
Ah
Bdk isn't a bandaid for shit healers, but if he can use his CDs well he will barely need em in raid for mechanics that's true
Because dmg intake isn't really big on tanks in raid outside of sylv
And mostly only bursty, not consistent
safe thistle
painsmith is a lot more intese on healer than nerzhul ?
blazing condor
probably
blazing condor
you already have a ticking dot at all times that increases. Put in extra damage to heal from traps and shit
it's probably gonna hurt more than nerzhuls shatter and bombs
but idk i havent raided for 4 months and never got to painsmith 🙂
safe thistle
kk
cause nerhzul ppl cant seems to addapt to the randomness of the fight in my group
its hard rekilling him
we have 5 hard kills
safe thistle
yah my group is good with regular fight
😛
wish ppl would do stuff without been took by the hand sometime though
held*
safe thistle
we do have good dps though maybe we wont have too many stack since were all geared up by now and only really need to do mechanics
strong forum
Well
You can't really speed up the kill of him or avoid stacks
I think
Cuz intermissions are hp based
And dots come from intermissions I think
safe thistle
i cant verify this so i guess 😛
blazing condor
i think thats true too
safe thistle
but thecnically if you get quicker on interminssion your healer gonna have more mana
swift kiln
You get 10 stacks of the debuff per intermission
But really Remnant is more healing intensive
Painsmith is w/e as long as you have CDs planned for weapons/traps overlaps
strong forum
Ye its intermission based
safe thistle
without a mistweaver i think remnant seems so hard :/
strong forum
So you'll always get the same amount of debuffs no matter how fast
blazing condor
Painsmith is more scripted making it more predicatble
strong forum
Ya but its the first (and kinda only) real boss of the tier
blazing condor
yeah its definitely more demanding
swift kiln
Killing Painsmith is entirely a matter of getting people to not die to spikes or balls
strong forum
Which isn't an easy task
swift kiln
It's not a difficult healing/DPS check at this point
strong forum
Personal responsibility is always a crutch
swift kiln
Yep
safe thistle
yah a lot die cause they have chain and 1 pixel off the square when a weapon get thrown
lot of 1 shot in there
teal swift
Personal responsibility is always a crutch
They just need to stop making dangerous mechanics
sick sentinel
Nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing 1 shot nothing nothing
Is kinda bad game design
teal swift
It's actually just unavoidable raidwide damage
There's almost never nothing.
But to make DPS actually do mechanics it has to be lethal
Otherwise they DPS through the mechanic
dusky mica
If a fight requires dps to do mechanics = hard boss
If tanks do all the jobs = This boss is easy
Painsmith and the Dance boss from Nathria. Both are jokes mechanically; but because it's a pile of dps who have to do said mechanics, it's a shitfest.
Xymox in Nathria was a bad one too. All you had to do was pick up your assigned seed 2-3 times. The re-kills on that were super annoying.
teal swift
Factually accurate. Most of our wipes on xymox wasn't seeds. That shit was done perfectly
People died to the succ
ocean reef
If we'd get more bosses like Painsmith, imo it'd only be a good thing 🤷♂️
People will always be clowns on mechanics, regardless of if they're a dps, tank or healer, and personal responsibility mechanics like on PS can be frustrating when people keep messing it up, but ultimately the fight was still a great fight
Punishes you for having bad movement and just mindlessly walking if you aren't aware
vocal geode
Painsmith and the Dance boss from Nathria. Both are jokes mechanically; but beca...
We had 2-300 wipes on council mythic because ppl couldnt walk in a circle
teal swift
My biggest anxiety is there being a really awkard tank mechanic And costing my group like 20-30 wipes
It'll happen, there'll be a mechanic I don't grasp during prog, and the dps will learn their shit, and then it'll just be on me lol
tame jasper
we try reclear this week and on monday we will be back at painsmith. I already the 3 persons who will die every pull...
lime urchin
That sounds like a god damn toxic environment @teal swift
teal swift
That sounds like a god damn toxic environment <@766937585431478282>
It's not, I just have really bad mental health issues,
I'm tank lead, my spot is secure, and no one will get upset with me. Anxiety sucks thi
lime urchin
❤️
mighty valley
Ya anxiety is real even when you know it’s not rational
teal swift
Yeah :(
mighty valley
When mechanics are spread across all dps it can be annoying since the people who get a chance to learn can change every time
But one of the thing that sucks about sylvanas is you have to go through 10 mins of bullshit before you get to the part that two tanks have to learn
teal swift
Yeah, seems miserable
mighty valley
So yeah, easy for that to create the “I’m wasting everyone’s time” anxiety
teal swift
In reality were just withdrawing all the time the dps caused wipes
west walrus
"Tank is an easy job, you just have to taunt"
"Then why are you not tanking?" still waiting for an answer :)
lime urchin
Do people say that?
To be fair, it does feel like that in hc at least. I haven’t progged on mythic tho.
west walrus
I heard that a lot
west walrus
Most of the time from people who never tanked 
urban portal
Until sire
blazing condor
Hc tanking is just knowing how the fight works and doing the same thing everyone else is doing
And then pressing taunt when dbm tells you to
civic torrent
I'm hearing so much about prot being unviable / unoptimal for 9.2 what's that all about, the tier set seems pretty juicy esp with the rework and we do decent dam
ionic fern
First time ever hearing anything like that.
Must be people who are bad at the spec. 🤷
urban portal
Play whatever bro
If you are a giga sweat trying to go for rwf
Maybe prot warrior may not be the best
But who cares
lime urchin
Curious where you hear this so much
west walrus
People usually make the shortcut: not used for RWF => bad, cannot carry the group
jagged pier
Must be people who are bad at the spec. 🤷
what like every YT tier list we saw in beta? except for Flames of course
blazing condor
9.0 m+ having to explain to everyone that we werent F tier and could, in fact, tank a 15
jagged pier
i didnt explain i just did
blazing condor
based chad alpha sigma
west walrus
I remember surprising people how prot warrior may be good in mm+
sick sentinel
9.0 m+ having to explain to everyone that we werent F tier and could, in fact, t...
This is still "wow a warrior tank like unicorn" splat dead key
Happened less than 2 weeks ago
I bet it will be exact same in 9.2 despite changes
sick sentinel
People usually make the shortcut: not used for RWF => bad, cannot carry the grou...
This is sort of what I mean, they pick the 300 mph car despite that they don't know how to drive it or how it handles corners and if it's not s tier it's total dogshit spec
west walrus
I could walk an easiest path to do high end content, but I love my warrior too much, and in a way it's part of a warrior journey
Female tauren for 11 years
Every single expansion, people ask me why I level as prot and not fury 🤣
Now I tell them "I play a furry warrior" but it works best for vulperas
sick sentinel
I could walk an easiest path to do high end content, but I love my warrior too m...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbkDJXKm3sY He chose the path of perpetual torment. In his ravenous hatred he found no peace. And with boiling blood he scoured the Umbral Plains seeking vengeance against the dark lords who had wronged him. And those that tasted the bite of his sword named him... **THE DOOM SLAYER **
fem tauren warrior for 11 years, thats greater dedication than i
sick sentinel
i play prot, because "Hide behind rock" has been an effective strategy of "don't die" since literal pre-historic times
has to carry over into vidya
safe thistle
lol worst boss for guild drama was Xanesh !
raw gyro
Is there any must go race, or can you just go for visual?
jagged pier
u must be whatever race u want to be
weak grove
Vulpera op 🤡
safe thistle
i prefer to pick a race that visually i like over racial
west walrus
Visual > all
safe thistle
i stopped at wrath before coming back and theres a question i didnt find my answer, if anyone know ill like that.
when did shield slam lost its dispel
safe thistle
shield slam removed a buff before in the early wow wondered when it lost it
sick sentinel
we also at some pont had shield bash which was our prot interupt
safe thistle
we had 2 interrupt
west walrus
Seems to be Mists of Pandaria
sick sentinel
i miss shield bash, and it doesn't exist in pve, but i miss dragon charge
west walrus
According to https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Shield_Slam
sick sentinel
remove menace talent since it can never be balanced to be viable and replace with fixed for pve dragon charge
candid path
shield slam removed a buff before in the early wow wondered when it lost it
Shield Slam dispel was a Glyph effect. Added in LK, iirc, removed in WoD or Legion. Still miss it. Such a good effect.
Maybe it's just nostalgia, but I liked Glyphs as skill modifiers. They killed them so Artifact Relics/Azerite Armor/Soulbinds Conduits could live, and those have all been received poorly.
safe thistle
and inscription became such a poor profession
normal zinc
Oh yah @strong forum I don't have to consider tank now that guild dead
Unshackled once more
strong forum
win? 
normal zinc
blazing condor
Gprotection 
brittle owl
jagged pier
jagged pier
mellow bridge
jagged pier
blazing condor
playing warr again in SL didnt feel much different at all because i didnt play in 8.3
plush tendon
anyway have a chance to play Prot Warrior on PTR?
ionic fern
Yes.
ionic fern
Yes.
stable cradle
How much ignore pain does it give? It's not very specific and is the tier set actually noticable defensively
ionic fern
The tier set increases your SS damage by 200% and you're interested in the puny IP?
😦
stable cradle
Well, it's part of the tier set so yeah
blazing condor
yeah i think so
ionic fern
One cast per outburst
urban portal
Ye I though there was some insane interpretation
blazing condor
so whatever value IP gives me now
strong forum
if you play well you can get 100% uptime on IP from the set alone || if you never take any damage || its OP guys
mellow bridge
100% absorb uptime hack
ionic fern
<:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
Was that your question or is your question "how often do you get Outburst"?
stable cradle
Was that your question or is your question "how often do you get Outburst"?
That's a good question, in ST how long did it take you to proc outburst
ionic fern
stable cradle
Ty
ionic fern
~15-20s
ionic fern
Jep.
cobalt garden
Do blocked attacks still apply necrotic stacks?
urban portal
Yeah
cobalt garden
sweet ty
urban portal
Necrotic would be a non affix if that happened
strong forum
lot of people are under the impression that a blocked hit means negating it
which i dont remember from any game
where a block just makes it so you take 0 dmg
urban portal
What's cringe is that the brew talent that lets you dodge next 3 autos
Don't block necrotic stacks
blazing condor
depends on how much stamina you got 🙂
urban portal
You don't take dam in call of duty :)))
blazing condor
when you block what
strong forum
riot shield
blazing condor
oh yeah
urban portal
^
strong forum
but thats an entirely different genre
urban portal
I main prot warrior in cod
strong forum
:haha
ocean reef
Rise on PC in 3 days 
ocean reef
Can't wait to grief my friends as longsword
blazing condor
mw2 was the best cod dont @ me
ocean reef
it's ok they removed the palico limiter from World
And I gotta take advantage of playing with friends when I can
strong forum
i played alot of online in MH4U to get carried to gold crown 3 and such
but in world i do not want to get carried through hard mons
but instead im stuck at raging brachi
ocean reef
Ye that's fair, I started played in Iceborne about a month before Alatreon came out
Though it was with my friends from around end of Iceborne, and we just went from there and did most hunts together
strong forum
i had iceborne on launch but i never really pushed into it for like a year
cuz my save file got corrupted
plush tendon
yea know, surprised there isnt a Avatar lego
ocean reef
strong forum
for the first 3 hrs of the DLC
plush tendon
for Prot Warrior
strong forum
so i had to replay all of that, and MR is SO fucking hard compared to HR
i never had ANY issues in HR, its really beginner friendly and quite easy
but man, in MR i actually started carting and taking long for mons
ocean reef
Yeah it felt like it as well playing with mouse and keyboard LS
The trial and error aspect is still nice though, it's what I like about MH and it feels rewarding when you go from getting domed on the spot, to no-hit clearing hunts
strong forum
Absolutely
ocean reef
It's not the most difficult fight, but the first time I did Velkhana flawless was amazing
Ofc I still ended up getting perma carted later on, especially on Alatreon, which took me and my friends about 40-50 hunts
Only having 1 of us have an elemental weapon was a bit monka
modern brook
smh
ppl being stuck in mh
i had to farm grank black diablos
in mh3u
by myself
😠
west walrus
Just defeated Sylvanas MM as prot warrior =)
distant crystal
mellow bridge
congratz dude
strong forum
Grats
lime urchin
cheers!
chilly brook
Probably the worst tank for Sylvanas unironically
Although she claps hard for all tanks tbh
west walrus
Shard of Annhylde's Aegis and Reactive Defense Matrix are your best friends
strong forum
Well sylv has 2 jobs
1 is soaker
1 is sylv tank
For soaker, bdk and vdh are infinitely worse
For sylv tank pwar is pretty strong
Considering you can SW basically every tank combo
west walrus
Remember what I said about the guild I found ?
"You are a good player, better than several of our guild members and far better than one of our previous tank. you deserve the kill.
But we decided to step up the requirements of our tanks, we need them to carry the weaknesses of some of our player base. And the fact that you play warrior does not help you, you have to play perfect."
ember token
It's all because XYZ didnt use Pwar on the WF kill therefore, Pwar is shit. Simple logic, yet I tank with Bdk who were cleaning pools around and all was fine? :/
strong forum
Na bro pwar too weak bro
You're one of the best players in our guild but you play wrong class sorry bro
It's not like aegis, rdm and bloodlink alone carry that entire fight
nooooo
west walrus
The logic is simply: prot war may be weaker than bdk, monk or pal on next tier so mistakes are more punishing
sick sentinel
You're one of the best players in our guild but you play wrong class sorry bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOAdUrPBdqs you decided to play a feral dps protection warrior in SOM retail
west walrus
Either be a top player, or play a class that make mistakes less visible
That's the logic
sick sentinel
im going to go out on a limb and say it is that they are scared that they will invite this guy, and wipe to boss, and then the dps he invited will leave
strong forum
Like, on a lower ranked guild, class choice matters even less than anything because its player performance on a raid wide scale that holds back progress
west walrus
As I said some days ago, tanks are a vital role, the less the guild has to deal with that, the more effort they can put in weaker players
A tank who dies, is less opportunities to others to learn the fight
modern brook
^
strong forum
Be it RL
modern brook
not a class issue
strong forum
Healer
Or tank Player
A different class won't fix that
You won't magically kill a boss with a shit tank player that doesn't know how to use defensives on any class
west walrus
In other words, I have to step up, and I'll do wherever I go
I learned a lot during Nathria, then Sanctum, and I will continue
strong forum
Or fails to taunt mechanics
sick sentinel
yes, because TLDR the 13 halls i fucked up, was going more or less really well, and then i fucked up majorly in 2 ways, charged into the anima golem stomp circles, and then not take the on me buff to the adds to kill them, fucking us in the long run only getting 2 instead of like 4 or more
strong forum
Well m+ is a bit different
You don't have 500 externals and raid CDs to play around
In raid, you do
sick sentinel
i'm always doing things way too late or early
strong forum
CD management is key for raid tanks
Not class choice
If you struggle at X, go check is externals are available there
Or re-allocate other shit
sick sentinel
just go in and act like you know what you are doing and that you are supposed to be there even if your not really sure,
strong forum
In other words, I have to step up, and I'll do wherever I go <:okayge:9176468125...
Like legit, only bad RLs will force you off of pwar
Or kick you because of pwar
sick sentinel
if you act like you are supposed to be there doing what you are doing, nobody will question you
strong forum
^
sick sentinel
you just tell them im the tank
strong forum
That's how 90% of raid tanks do it
They're actually terrible at what they do
But get by because nobody looks at them
All that you have to do as a raid tank, is coordinate with your cotank
Everything else you can ignore
A raid tank figures his job out in 2-5 pulls on the boss
Then it's just waiting for the rest of the raid to figure themselves out
sick sentinel
i taught many many tanks how to do taunt rotations and swaps in LFR EP
cuz i raided it for 3 months or so knew it like clock work
here's a story for you
paladin healer that i played with all of BFA, me and him doing EP, he does nothing but healer and pvp, we are in either normal or LFR EP at final boss, healers bitching because the tank has a green weapon, we wipe, healer complains more about green weapon, me in voice telling him let it go man, don't type anything else.
raid leader mad at healer, tells him he's on thin ice, says something or dies, kicked, we replace, kill on next attempt with tank with green weapon
strong forum
Imagine getting mad at gear in lfr
Loleh
But yeah it's usually the loudest players that are the worst
west walrus
In some wat that's remember my first PF 23. The healer told my route was shit. The fact is that there were many pulls not intended and I did not do. But the healer was convinced this was my route
sick sentinel
cuz we had an actual raid leader and did entire thing as 1 shot
west walrus
The route I linked before start, and they was supposed to read 😂
sick sentinel
+15 is enough for me thanks
west walrus
Yes
sick sentinel
i set my healer low mana thingy to show whenever healer is below 70% remaining mana
strong forum
They don't waste an ounce of thought of how to do the dungeon, but then complain about it during the key
Fucking love that
sick sentinel
so, now i always have a good idea if healer is not drinking on purpose
strong forum
Healer mana is a situational thing
west walrus
I have a good weakaura for that
sick sentinel
well yes, but its like, if healer always has 100% mana, they should be able to do more things if trouble happens
west walrus
So many times I wait a bit when going out of combat for my healer to sit... and many are sloooow
sick sentinel
if i go in and healer has 42% mana its a bit spooky some times, not sure if something will happen cause them to spend it all
chilly brook
It's not like aegis, rdm and bloodlink alone carry that entire fight
Unfortunately if you don't have some help in the healing department warrior just feels like ass regardless of your job on the fight
I noticed a huge difference in my survivability with a hpally than when we didn't have one
strong forum
thats enough healing?
chilly brook
It should be
chilly brook
Again it should be
strong forum
player issue
chilly brook
Not my issue anymore though
strong forum
neither is it mine
but i just get very titled if people whip out the ol "but pwar bad" card
chilly brook
Oh believe me I got it plenty
And I'm sitting here like "I'm literally using all my defensives and using externals and trinkets"
I've just been through enough healing cores to know how big of a difference healers make for warrior
west walrus
That's remind Eye of the Jailer, people complaining about my survivability. I checked logs and told them I received only 50% healing
They concluded that pwar was not as strong as they thought it could be, and asked to switch to monk
strong forum
at the end of the day its your decision
west walrus
Guess what I did
strong forum
but id rather quit game
than be told what to play
do you have any logs
i just wanna see ehrps
and damage taken/healing taken
urban portal
eye is not fun for warrior tho
strong forum
its a pushover boss
urban portal
it is
strong forum
so legit doesnt matter for shit
for example jakey
takes less ehrps on his pwar than his cotanks on the eye
be it with a DH cotank
a monk cotank
or a bdk cotank
hes consistently lower ehrps
whilst playing fully offensive
modern brook
jakeys' cotanks suck :^)
modern brook
yah
strong forum
external healing*
strong forum
not effective
strong forum
so its healing that your healers had to do to you
urban portal
monk is like bis bis on eye
but yeah you shouldnt change your tank
for 2nd boss in a raid
west walrus
How do you see that?
Healing done, and select a target?
livid venture
damage taken, ehrps
west walrus
monk is like bis bis on eye
You literally have celestial brew for each dearhlink, absorbing 100%
strong forum
You literally have celestial brew for each dearhlink, absorbing 100%
whats it matter
pwar can SW + SR + Demo + IP it
and be immune to dmg aswell
west walrus
You may reduce a lot, but it's still percent on percent
blazing condor
either way didnt hurt at all
patent osprey
but i just get very titled if people whip out the ol "but pwar bad" card
but pwar is bad
inland raft
What plka said
ocean yoke
yeah what kind of idiot would play one
teal swift
but pwar is bad
Pwar is unpopular, use your streamerbucks to bring back nerfclap
oblique garnet
but pwar is bad
Pwarr bad does no damage pls buff 👀
brittle owl
but pwar is bad
strong forum
teal swift
:3
woven lance
Is there a way in warcraftlogs to do a query for all blocked or all unblocked attacks?
west walrus
Maybe filtering when there is blocked damage
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/help/pins
It's a little buggy on mobile, i'll try later
jagged pier
Is there a way in warcraftlogs to do a query for all blocked or all unblocked at...
damage taken melee row
hover over the hits column
will literally show u the amount u block and the amount u didnt
sick sentinel
wait im a bit confused by the wording
what was the change they did for 2/4 set bonuses
laymens terms, i didn't understand it on the first read
sweet summit
2 set is the same
4 set is just free ignore pain when you consume the buff with shield slam (or thunder clap xddd)
sick sentinel
Outburst Consuming 30 rage grants a stack of Outburst, upon reaching 8 stacks of OutburstSeeing Red, which transforms at 8 stacks into Outburst, causing your next Shield Slam or Thunder Clap areto be 200% more effective or your next Ignore Pain is 50% more effective.and grant Ignore Pain.
Item Set: Armaments of the Infinite Infantry: 2 pieces
Outburst Avatar increases your damage dealt by an additional 10% and decreases damage taken by 10%. Avatar instantly grants 8 stacks of Outburst.
Item Set: Armaments of the Infinite Infantry: 4 pieces
ionic fern
And instead of one Outburst buff there are now 2 separate ones (Seeing Red / Outburst) so Avatar wouldn't overwrite any existing stacks.
Just a QoL change.
sick sentinel
i still think it sucks that seeing red and outburst stacks to 8 do nothing
ionic fern
?
sick sentinel
upon activating, even tiny heal
sweet summit
need more weak auras...
ionic fern
"Why do i only have 20 Outburst buffs while the other person had 50????"
wasted 800+ rage
sick sentinel
like, lets just get it out of the way, i'm gunna fuck taht shit up 100% and you guys are gunna yell at me bout it
i can alrady see it comin
i have the future vision
sweet summit
it's not hard to play around at all
you just have to get used to tracking it i suppose
sick sentinel
no, my wasted rage isn't +800 its like +1500
sweet summit
ionic fern
You can 100% play it without evening paying any attention to it and just slapping w/e button you happen to press and still benefit from it.
sick sentinel
i checked 2 logs and one was 1500-2k for some key and this one i checked other day was about 1500
ionic fern
But it's not going to be competitive against what you would actually gain if you actively payed attentiont ot it.
ionic fern
i checked 2 logs and one was 1500-2k for some key and this one i checked other d...
Ok.
And what did you learn?
sick sentinel
i have not i guess
ionic fern
So you checked what you did wrong, you understand what you did wrong..but you refuse to learn from it and improve?
sick sentinel
i check the logs and then i run again, and i think i changed, but i didn't
ionic fern
Okay.
sick sentinel
i just think that i'm doing it right and then i'm not
ionic fern
Go hit a dummy for a hour and try not to waste any rage.
jagged pier
ionic fern
Not even joking.
sick sentinel
was going to stream it
ionic fern
Seeing as looking at logs/reading what we write and then trying to do it in runs is not working for Yogi so the best thing is to just get in the habit of not wasting any rage by slapping a dummy. Hopefully it will build some muscle memory and/or paying attention.
ionic fern
was going to stream it
Stream it if you want to but post it in the #promotion with w/e caption you want.
For a better outcome i also suggest you log the training dummy encounter so you can see exactly how much rage you wasted.
blazing condor
Go hit a dummy for a hour and try not to waste any rage.
Yogi training arc would be pog
rocky-style
pallid musk
Dummy is good way to improve. I do 1 hour invest to practise
Just hit 15 min and repeat
ionic fern
Really is. 🤷
People shrug it off but hitting a dummy with a purpose will improve your muscle memory and/or association of certain sounds (if you're using a WA with a sound notification to track something coming off CD) with abilities.
strong forum
My rule is
When I wanna go and play/learn a spec
I start by hitting the dummy for 2-4 hrs
In that time window I usually see an improvement of 100% dps increase
strong forum
To get by, no
Tanks are very simple on a baseline level rotationally
Cat + bear weaving for raid you can practice
But that's about it
lime urchin
Cat weaving sounds like fun!
strong forum
Ye overcapping rage means you wasted it
dawn canyon
vocal geode
my only problem is not having rage
dawn canyon
I have a lot of rage whenever i die
vocal geode
dump everything into ignore pain and revenge
then panic when no rage for shield block
wild hemlock
Yogi training arc would be pog
i could watch 3 seasons of this anime
vocal geode
world first 30 top
strong forum
Solo
sick sentinel
uhh no lol
blazing condor
5 million reflect on mordretha
sweet summit
brittle owl
the real lesson is to know yourself
twilit jay
i have a question regarding archivist codex level, wahts the best method to get up to tier 4 for? just rare killing?
minor helm
Rift farming
twilit jay
it wont let me get the item until tier 4, unless im missing something entirely
acoustic willow
Rift farm when you find rift keys in rates and in treasures. Otherwise just rare farm and treasure farm
mellow bridge
and check the dailies
not all of them give research, but sometimes they give quite a bit for 5 mins of work
strong forum
Why would you farm rep
wild hemlock
im only rank 3 here also lmaooo
and want 252 conduits
ele shamans conduits are assssss so i was never bothered with korthia
on any toon
jagged pier
u also dont play nome
wild hemlock
is the 9.2 area going to be as tedious as korth? isnt it account wide?
wild hemlock
fawk
jagged pier
the flying achievement isnt that blue verison ither so flying might be per char as well
mellow bridge
that would surprise me
wild hemlock
stop it
mellow bridge
however 9.2 grind doesnt seem to be directly connected to playerpower yet?
at least from the stuff on ptr
jagged pier
its connected to flying
wild hemlock
pretty sure its tied to double legos though?
mellow bridge
pretty sure its tied to double legos though?
it's kinda weird, afaik there's conflicting info about that
wild hemlock
just trying to get clarification if i play one toon or 4 lmao
mellow bridge
you'll have to wait until the patch is a lot closer for any final say 🤷♂️
wild hemlock
all my friends and i would slave to blizzard if it was easier to play multiple toons
boosting toons left and right
but sadly i only got to "max" my ele shaman and get 252 ilvl on my warrior with piss poor shards and ranks hahaha
strong forum
I've heard the new zone is very chill and flying is useless there
Because you have loads of teleporters and flightpoints
jagged pier
im lazy tho
strong forum
You know the max lazy way
jagged pier
dont do it
strong forum
!
blazing condor
i just multibox with 39 locks who can summon me wherever i want
jagged pier
multiboxers getting banned tho even ones that following the rules 😂
blazing condor
Multiboxing is cringe idgaf
fringe folio
Hi. Any tentative guess what covenant for 9.2? Or atm still unclear?
jagged pier
raid NL m+ kyrain or NF
fringe folio
Great, thx!
chilly brook
@jagged pier 9.2 flying looks aids
chilly brook
Literally making me wait serves 0 purpose
The only reason it exists in mobile games is so you buy currency to speed it up
jagged pier
Literally making me wait serves 0 purpose
it does so it means u have to stay subbed to finish the ciphers
extra sub money
chilly brook
it does so it means u have to stay subbed to finish the ciphers
Yea but who stays to do the ciphers if the content isnt good
TLDR grind mechanics make 0 sense if the rest of the content isn't good
Also big happy I started playing ffxiv again, it feels nice to be a casual in something
teal swift
Morning @jagged pier @sweet summit @strong forum 
sweet summit
gn
jagged pier
gn
teal swift
Gn friends
mighty cairn
hey i heard from a friend that max said on stream that prot is OP next tier any thoughts any clippers
distant crystal
simp simp simp simp
ionic fern
hey i heard from a friend that max said on stream that prot is OP next tier any ...
No idea what he said. 🙂
urban portal
Yeah I heard prot warrior is good next patch stranger
teal swift
Every tank is good.
Play what works for you. I didn't like prot warrior because it depends on a healing core.
strong forum
If that's true. Remember that max also said before CN race, that pwar is garbage and shouldn't be played whatsoever and pwar players have braindamage
So don't believe a single
Fucking
Thing
Max says about X class
dawn canyon
I think the way noawh does tank predicitions is best
He puts em all on a wheel and spins it
strong forum
Pmuch
dawn canyon
Last time i saw his wheel said dudu idk
strong forum
But please do not buy anything that max says about any class before the race is over
mighty cairn
what if i only believe the positive things he says about my class
dawn canyon
^^^
strong forum
Also wrong
mighty cairn
dang
dawn canyon
Except that he said he wouldve played venthyr fury if sylv was with execute phase
strong forum
He's either playing mind games
dawn canyon
And we all know how wrong that is
strong forum
Or trolling
west walrus
Step 1: a streamer says that x is garbage
Step 2: some websites says x is garbage, as streamers say
Step 3: x is garbage because everybody say so
It may apply to many things in life 👀
dawn canyon
Remember Arms was ranked worst dps before sod
mighty valley
no one knows anything, and if you're not racing for hall of fame none of it matters to you anyway
urban portal
and we all laughed at him
strong forum
Well that was due to several factors
dawn canyon
Wowhead had it lowest
west walrus
Remember WW ranked as trash in early SL ?
strong forum
^
mighty cairn
btw anyone else think punish vs devastator will be secretly op
dawn canyon
I really hope people dont roll off of their Mains when they see tierlists n such
strong forum
btw anyone else think punish vs devastator will be secretly op
No
mighty cairn
but nobody talks about punish bc we all take devastator by default
mighty valley
devastator is such free real estate
strong forum
With any amount of stats
dawn canyon
Devastator is THE SHIT
strong forum
Devastator is more dmg and more rage
mighty cairn
what if they made devastator baseline
mighty cairn
would that be op tho
mighty cairn
honestly they should borrow the mechanic from muradin in hots
and make tclap/revenge do 500% dmg
if u hit a single target
strong forum
That'd be neat
modern brook
Yeah I'm here what's up
mighty cairn
can we get pika to apply to work at blizzard
modern brook
They have no fucking clue what to do with the spec
Yes I do
inland raft
Twist bull is telling the truth but now hea gonna be fired tomorrow
strong forum
I'm not even at my PC
modern brook
Neither am I
errant oriole
Im loving my prot war but man does my buddies make fun of me for playing the spec. They tell me it is a worthless spec. I tell them to go kick rocks. I love the set bonuses though :D
modern brook
Prot war and bdk are the only honest tanks left
sick sentinel
"but prot warrior is just a bad spec"
modern brook
Vdh is a havoc waiting for buffs, druid and monk play themselves
Prot pally is for dweebs
mighty cairn
true
errant oriole
Druid tanking is so boring :/
dawn canyon
Im loving my prot war but man does my buddies make fun of me for playing the spe...
Your battleshout is good for their meters
So ask em if they want that or not
errant oriole
Very true :)
sick sentinel
prot warrior has HUGE potential in a phys dmg group comp
hunters rogues monks paladins dks
modern brook
Yall are way overstating the impact of 5% attack damage
errant oriole
Btw is kyrian going to be a rlly good cove next patch so far?
modern brook
This is the definition of
errant oriole
I was wandering that vs necro
sick sentinel
5% ap is 5% more dmg loosely translated yes?
strong forum
Ye
mighty cairn
honestly give prot warrior 2 charges of spell reflect and shield wall
sick sentinel
ther u go, group 5% dps
modern brook
5% ap is 5% more dmg loosely translated yes?
Basically anything that isn't venth will be good and playable
inland raft
Warrior is top dog, now who was looking for the copium bottle?