I'm already 50% correct.
#protection
jagged pier
guess we take 105
ionic fern
Huh?
ionic fern
EU.
jagged pier
ew imagine playing on NA
sweet summit
eu is exactly what's it
ionic fern
@oblique garnet 5 prot keys tonight?
urban portal
also i just realized what ergas profile pic is
oblique garnet
<@!143839248422928384> 5 prot keys tonight?
soon
jagged pier
yer tonight not now
oblique garnet
Yeah youre assuming i will wake up when you are gonna do it
jagged pier
i believe
strong forum
Late is on that nightcrawler NA schedule
ionic fern
Yeah youre assuming i will wake up when you are gonna do it
We'll ping you again.
oblique garnet
Late is on that nightcrawler NA schedule
Im on that i random sleep schedule where its a diceroll when i fall asleep
ionic fern
Remember to use Seismic.
jagged pier
โ๏ธ
blazing condor
oblique garnet
Oh wait its necrotic week
blazing condor
Spiteful week as well
jagged pier
BIG PAD
blazing condor
More pad 
oblique garnet
Go on jakey go beat me
jagged pier
oblique garnet
Nows your chance
ionic fern
We can't even have the Late vs Erga matchup.
Smh
One is sleeping and the other is boosting
jagged pier
Go on jakey go beat me
i dont do mythic plus outside of skyhold weekly
ionic fern
What is this.
ionic fern
Deep.
oblique garnet
Only reason i even went for it because i saw you do big pump and i had to beat it 
No fun if you wont even try ๐ฆ
jagged pier
but i dont enjoy m+ i only wanted to push 10k because we knew it could be done
ionic fern
You did that DPS in a Mists, right Late?
What did you pull on first/2nd boss? ๐
jagged pier
maybe i give ago later 13k might be doable
oblique garnet
On first nothing on 2nd pack and on last 1 pack
ionic fern
Mwkay.
Who has the most crit here?
We need to do a EM+Seismic DPS build.
I only have 22%.
๐ฆ
jagged pier
can get to like 32%
oblique garnet
Im at 32
oblique garnet
Who has the most crit here?
We need to do a EM+Seismic DPS build.
You mean for next patch?
ionic fern
++
sweet summit
miss me with that i'm playing sinful surge
ionic fern
oblique garnet
NF gang
ionic fern
Can i get Korayn+EM+Seismic?
We are all Covenant buddies now..jump over Korayn.
๐ฆ
jagged pier
i wish
sweet summit
@ionic fern
ionic fern
oblique garnet
We are all Covenant buddies now..jump over Korayn.
Imagine NF mikanikos
blazing condor
๐ค
oblique garnet
Get that AA cd down
ionic fern
So many opportunities. ๐ฆ
sweet summit
i found more crit
ionic fern
Real normal.
blazing condor
this man crits
sweet summit
i can prob bet 50% with buffs 
blazing condor
:0
sweet summit
noice
oblique garnet
Its korayn week
west walrus
I usually play with Niya ๐
grave grove
teal swift
@sweet summit 
sweet summit
teal swift
How are you doing my friend?
teal swift
I'm doing well :)
cinder nova
I stopped giving a shit about MT after I got felbear and the ugly ToS recolor, but my scrubby guildies are confused and so I am - is it coming back next LTW rotation?
cinder nova
Ah, back to the norm, then. I assume they extended it for the launch of MT to give people a buffer to git gud?
sweet summit
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
cinder nova
I kind of wish they changed the numbers for TC and SS separately.
e.g. increase the effectiveness of your next TC by 325% or your next SS by 200%
But I can't complain too much
My friend thinks it's gonna bring back stompy spec and I told him he's dumb
sweet summit
i wish
cinder nova
I can't imagine much besides fat buffs to TC or the associated talents/leggo could make that return
ionic fern
Buff TC/UF and it's back.
sweet summit
cinder nova
Is it me or does warrior feel middle of the road when it comes to ST/Cleave? It's not the best in either, but it's far from the worst in either as well.
Oh, did they change uhh... VDH set bonuses yet, or are they leaning into the "Spirit Bomb every GCD" sorta playstyle in M+?
strong forum
Not changed yet, but it will
90% of Sets are still broken/bugged
Warri is indeed middle of the road, but next patch might change that
Will have to see how it'll actually turn out
cinder nova
actually works now too
What is this comment exactly? Was it not applying Seeing Red after every 30 rage spent?
sweet summit
it was omega bug pre rework
ionic fern
I just can't wait to play Reprisal + EM/NF or Seismic+EM/NF
๐
๐
Might be fun again.
sweet summit
๐
ionic fern
And then it will all be taken away and there will be darkness.
strong forum
lime urchin
jagged pier
And then it will all be taken away and there will be darkness.
not if they fix the base spec
ionic fern
Imagine that.
sick sentinel
not if they fix the base spec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ2qal-P5RI it becomes relevant at ~4 minute marker
paper elbow
Is it only me that feels like using Ignore Pain feels like putting a wet sock on your face, hoping that the mobs will stop hitting you?
strong forum
Is it only me that feels like using Ignore Pain feels like putting a wet sock on...
That's exactly what it is
Its just a wet sock in a bushfire, does something, better than nothing, but it alone not gonna safe you
paper elbow
I mean, I have tried every tank class in m+ (>+15) and warriors tbf feels like the weakest by far (Haven't tried prot pally tho, and I really didn't like the play style of DH)
paper elbow
Must be that.. but I fail to see how.
strong forum
I can't really compare it to others as its the only thing I've played is pwar, but pwar takes a little more effort even on lower levels to perform well
paper elbow
the IP question was more directed to my historical knowledge from tanking when it first arrived, then it was the crรฉme de la crรฉme
ionic fern
Do you have logs?
Did you use CD's?
Did you do your priority list properly to generate enough rage?
ionic fern
Did you keep SB up as much as possible?
Were you smacked in the back?
Was it magic damage/bleeds?
Did you SR?
dawn canyon
Reprisal?
ionic fern
I can go on and on and on and on.
jagged pier
imagine thinking prot feels weak in 15s
strong forum
It depends jakey
jagged pier
i literally just press revenge in a 15
dawn canyon
Depends on familiarity
paper elbow
The back smacking is never an issue, I've done enough content to be able to identify whenever I should use SB/Spell reflect.
dawn canyon
Logs then
ionic fern
If you played the class properly and have adequate ilvl then i fail to see how Prot felt so bad for you.
๐
Then again "feels" is a very hard to pin-point measure
.:')
paper elbow
I mean yesterday I played with my Prot warrior, trying out +18-19, I was sweating every moment of it. (ilvl around 250).
Then tried +20 on my 243 guardian druid, went smooth af
strong forum
Hm
ionic fern
^
strong forum
Like you shouldn't sweat on 18-19s
dawn canyon
In my headcannon mwahi is a cloud like nomeratur
paper elbow
I mean I mained prot around wotlk -> cata, dropped it mid-cata, played a few m+ during legion and BFA as prot but not climbing.
ionic fern
It's hard to pinpoint what went wrong for you without any logs/videos tho..if you're looking to improve as Prot be sure to log a run and we can take a look.
But all i can say is that in m+ when played properly (especially in the range of keys you are doing) any tank is free.
paper elbow
I will keep that in mind ^^
I'll try a different build today I guess.
Give reprisal a better chance, been running The Wall most of my m+'s
ionic fern
Reprisal is godlike.
dawn canyon
What talents were you running anyways?
paper elbow
Devastator, Double-time, Booming voice, Bounding strike, Indomitable, Into the Fray, Anger Management
jagged pier
i didnt even know what it was back in the day
strong forum
Devastator, Double-time, Booming voice, Bounding strike, Indomitable, Into the F...
You play ravager + BSC + reprisal and your life will be different
ionic fern
Well..probably not.
If it's his first time playing Reprisal he will undoubtedly forget about it.
๐ฆ
strong forum
Wall + AM in keys on 19s when you're not experienced with SL prot
Hurts
Alot
It's fine if you're experienced and know what you're doing to play say seismic + am in those keys
But if you're not then yeah, can be a jarring experience
paper elbow
And I guess you suggest that necrolord isn't the most optimal covenant? ๐
ionic fern
paper elbow
HAHA
paper elbow
Holy shit, I feel a storms 'a brewin'
strong forum
Go play kyrian / NF and you'll have loads more dmg and useful abilities in m+
ionic fern
Next thing you're telling us is that "So..SoF seems good?"
jagged pier
paper elbow
Sorry for that Mwahi, but SoF?
Signet?
ionic fern
Conduit Show of Force
jagged pier
'hey guys prot warrior seems weak, lets forget my talents and leggo choice are wrong'
paper elbow
Ah
Bare in mind that I haven't played prot warrior properly since lich king/Cata. ๐
dawn canyon
Korayn seismic for weekly 
ionic fern
But jeah.,.
Kyrian / NF with Mika / Korayn (Kyrian really starts shining once you reach Mikas last trait but it requires renown farm unless you already have it done)
Reprisal instead of The wall
Ravager+BSC instead of ITF/BV
paper elbow
Good thing you came in here to ask
Yeah because clearly I was making a total fool of myself ๐
strong forum
Cuz like imagine most of people, they get your experience by playing the wrong stuff, and then blame the class and deem it unplayable
And voila
lethal tendon
Hello.
I am a holy paladin and a good friend of mine plays Prot Warrior, and we seem to have troubles pushing keys.
I noticed a few things - he gets absolutely clapped on pulls, and he gets to a point where he has no big CDs very fast.
I've played with plenty of prot warriors and usually don't have this issue, but we can't work out what he's doing wrong.
Notable things I can tell off the bat (from a healer standpoint) -
He has no shards (7/10 heroic), lowish versatility (19%), has trouble kiting mobs sometimes
strong forum
Vers doesn't matter
lethal tendon
Unfortunate I don't have logs of anything
ionic fern
Clapped on pull screams NO REPRISAL.
lethal tendon
But I'd like some pointers of what I, as a healer, need to keep note of
paper elbow
ANOTHER NO REPRISAL KING?
strong forum
Need to keep note if he keeps up block, plays reprisal, and does atleast 6k dps overall
jagged pier
dude i have 8
lethal tendon
I have 25 I dunno ๐
ionic fern
But I'd like some pointers of what I, as a healer, need to keep note of
Track his SB, if it falls and he's actively tanking he will take damage
Track bleeds/DoT's etc on him, if he has them he will drop low
Pretty much any generic tank tracking stuff.
jagged pier
we can only really help with logs or gameplay
lethal tendon
Do you know what talents/legendaries he is running?
I can have a quick look
He is Kyrian but I suggested he try NF
ionic fern
Kyrian is fine.
dawn canyon
Kyrian is good
ionic fern
Just check talents/Legendaries and let us know-
dawn canyon
Phial
lethal tendon
One second
ionic fern
Oh, and if he has raid logs that will probably also help us analyse his play.
ionic fern
It doesn't matter.
jagged pier
u can still see poor play in them
ionic fern
You can still see if he's using the correct things.
dawn canyon
True
lethal tendon
Ugh I found him on raider io but it doesn't say the name of the legendary
ionic fern
Link
lethal tendon
Charge and Intervene grant you Shield Block for 4 sec, Revenge!, and generate 20 Rage. (100ms cooldown)
lethal tendon
https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Olydamara he's not really Necro, he was just farming renown
He is Kyrian all the time
I will do a key tonight and log it
lethal tendon
hes running bolster in keys
You mean the anima power?
ionic fern
Hello
lethal tendon
TC higher than Revenge
I assume that's bad ๐ I am utterly clueless when it comes down to warriors
jagged pier
from the log im looking at 72% blocked hits with rep and bolster
ionic fern
If he's going for extra SB up-time with Reprisal he should use HR.
Otherwise play AM.
72% is horribly low if he had both.
That's even sub Reprisal level.
jagged pier
yer
jagged pier
low SS, low TC and low 
casts
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gRFHcqaYV7K4yGfv#fight=3&type=summary&sourc...
71% blocked hits
lethal tendon
Ok so how do I manage this
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gRFHcqaYV7K4yGfv#fight=3&type=summary&sourc...
4.6 CPM of 
lethal tendon
I think that's an old log tbh
strong forum
Tell him to pay more attention to his rotation
ionic fern
You tell him
"Hey buddy, are you in the Skyhold discord"?
jagged pier
they're old doesnt mean hes changed
lethal tendon
You tell him
"Hey buddy, are you in the Skyhold discord"?
๐
strong forum
That's what his log looks like
This is how it should look like
With a little less emphasis on revenge
But you see the differences
ionic fern
I found something from 26th November..65% blocked hits.
Still Bolster.
Still TC higher than Revenge
jagged pier
yer i just found that
paper elbow
So IP isn't as high of a priority as I imagined??
jagged pier
he wasted 1000 rage that run
ionic fern
So IP isn't as high of a priority as I imagined??
It's no priority.
jagged pier
So IP isn't as high of a priority as I imagined??
u dont press it
strong forum
Very low priority
ionic fern
Well..you DO..treat IP as a off GCD rage dump to avoid rage capping.
lethal tendon
I assume he got better now, but if you guys say that matches what I wrote then it's probably not that much different
ionic fern
๐
I'm not joking btw.
He's making mistakes that are easily solved if he's willing to learn.
lethal tendon
He is
ionic fern
I'd honestly suggest he come here.
jagged pier
hes not changed from the logs
strong forum
Also should stop playing bolster
lethal tendon
Ok it seems like there are lots of issues according to you guys
So I will have to send him here eventually
strong forum
It's not alot of seperate issues, it's mostly the same thing
Just press more buttons
All of them
Just more
Except IP
jagged pier
in that spires where he got 65% blocked hits hes running bolster and uses LS 11 times in like 40 mins
jagged pier
lethal tendon
Now he intervenes all the time tbh
lethal tendon
Like he intervenes me when I have bop on me ๐
jagged pier
Now he intervenes all the time tbh
lethal tendon
https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237
Maybe not all the time but he does it a lot , at least in my eyes
But I'll have to log
lethal tendon
We Intervene for extra Rage/SB up-time.
Yeah he explained it to me
ionic fern
Hmm
Thinking about it.
If he's Revenge is so low..
Does this mean...
DINGDINGDINGDING
strong forum
Oof
strong forum
That's alot of ignore pain 
lethal tendon
What'd I miss ๐ซ
strong forum
About 40% too much ignore pain usage
lethal tendon
Oh
strong forum
Unbezรคhmbar and IP should be around the same healing done, Indom can also beat IP even
ionic fern
I will give him a slight rest in that since it was a SoA but that's still wayyyy too much IP.
strong forum
My screen was from hoa
jagged pier
press IP in SoA 
lethal tendon
I need to play some prot because I don't know all those initials and jokes kekw
strong forum
From a few months ago
Basically, his log should look somewhat like the one I just posted
For push keys*
lethal tendon
Ok so
ionic fern
strong forum
A bit higher thunderclap usage but ah well
lethal tendon
Revenge is just a DPS button, right?
ionic fern
It is THE dps button.
lethal tendon
Ok ok
jagged pier
lethal tendon
I mean that's just a rotational issue I guess
lethal tendon
But he still gets clapped
lethal tendon
Because it resets shield slam
Oh
strong forum
And rage gen is good
ionic fern
lethal tendon
Rage gen is nice
ionic fern
That's how the damage chart should look like more or less.
ionic fern
jagged pier
i mean tbh the stand still power is dog to play most weeks
lethal tendon
I mean it doesn't say it reduces shield slam CD on wowhead
ionic fern
Anyways, if you're saying those are all old logs, get us new ones so we can see what he's doing currently.
It has a chance to RESET it.
lethal tendon
I think they're pretty old, yeah
lethal tendon
It has a chance to RESET it.
I stand corrected
ionic fern
lethal tendon
But I just noticed he gets absolutely hammered all the time
lethal tendon
Yeah I'll get them
ionic fern
Ping me when ever you get them.
lethal tendon
I thought I was just not managing him properly, I've had prot warriors get trashed
lethal tendon
I will do it @ionic fern
lethal tendon
Thanks for the tips guys, I will go and scold him
But to sum things up for when we game tonight:
Press more revenge
Don't take bolster
And logs, of course
And press more buttons overall kekw
jagged pier
no he has to pay more attention bolster is suboptimal but he really need better blocked hits which he has to 1 pay more attention to the buff and to use bolster or HR to help keep the buff up if he need them but he shouldnt with proper management
ionic fern
I have question u might know
Gogogo.
blazing condor
If there's a net dps gain/loss from keeping SB up in ST scenarios where you don't actively mitigate damage (off-tanking). Is the GCD loss/rage loss still worth the extra SS damej
jagged pier
u talking riad?
blazing condor
ye
jagged pier
so optimal way us to use your SB charge for dps off tanking, so when u pick up the boss again the 2 charge is just off cd so u have 2 charges
if that makes sense
ionic fern
If there's a net dps gain/loss from keeping SB up in ST scenarios where you don'...
What gcd loss?
strong forum
The rage spent on SB is worth it if you can fit 2 or more SS in the SB window
To beat out revenge dmg
iirc
With 1 SS in the SB window I believe its a slight loss in damage per rage
pallid musk
@ionic fern i did 17 intimed and i played arms
Mists 17. 7.1k overall with early dearh on last boss
Piceeing howl with condult is good when you have it you can roar slow mob to help tank kite/ slow spriteful ghost
There a Domination shard that my tank used (kyr, frost) that absorb is very useful
ionic fern
๐
ionic fern
There a Domination shard that my tank used (kyr, frost) that absorb is very usef...
Jeh, that's one of the better ones.
pallid musk
Aye. Would advise every tank to use it
pallid musk
๐
I was one of them who didnt use it. I should upgrade it to rank 5 but Stygia Ember drop rate with lockout is kinda dumb in 9.1.5
Shard drop is good. Just the Ember that is annoying
mellow bridge
embers are so incredibly bad man
I'm amazed they didnt introduce a catchup system for them
pallid musk
I agree you here. So dumb when i rerolled and canโt collect same amount of Ember as my main
sweet summit
i have like
a fuckton of embers on main
but cant spend it
so why not let me send it
to and alt
????
pallid musk
Good point. I rather free drop for everyone in 9.1.5 since raid tier is over and help the guild who is left to full their roster with critial roles
But Ember drop system is the the barrier to make me a good player and have a chance catch up
lime urchin
What are these embers you speak of
vocal geode
like they have catchup for everything else rn
why not just make embers
I am not clearing hc or anything on my main because they arent worth anything after getting all r5 sets
sweet summit
blazing condor
wow should just make end bosses incredibly easy on all difficulties to reward us for actually sticking with the game long enough to get to the boss
like with Gwyn in Dark Souls
dawn canyon
Gwyn music pepejam
modern brook
We're on the cusp of giving up sylvanas prog :(
blazing condor
west walrus
Who said that week is easier than previous one ? ๐
blazing condor
try parry
mighty valley
just summon Solaire
blazing condor
any weeklies?
jagged pier
as mwahi was doing keys earlier imma doubt
blazing condor
ionic fern
I did ONE key., ๐ฆ
jagged pier
๐ฆ
blazing condor
Im โฌ๏ธ
ionic fern
@strong forum ?
ionic fern
@blazing condor @jagged pier log on. ๐ฆ
blazing condor
blazing condor
im omw
ionic fern
One more EU horde prot for keys?
west walrus
I'm doing my best to deplete a PF ๐
ionic fern
Deplete it faster then.
oblique garnet
raid test soon 
lime urchin
Are all the old farts here horde scum?
strong forum
^sadly yes
regal glen
One more EU horde prot for keys?
Anyone streaming the keys?
blazing condor
nome is
ionic fern
regal glen
Couldn't see cuz on phone :)
paper elbow
@ionic fern @jagged pier Thanks for the reprisal advices, feels kinda great tbh, now it's just a matter of getting used to it ^^
ionic fern
paper elbow
Making it a bit more hectic, almost feels like playing fury, but you're tanking ๐
ionic fern
Jeh, some people hate it, others love it.
Either way you can't deny that Reprisal is stupid strong.
ionic fern
Hjuuuge.
blazing condor
paper elbow
Either way you can't deny that Reprisal is stupid strong.
Yah, it's stupid strong.
I had 14 min uptime on SB on a ~20 minute ToP
strong forum
but yeah, have come to the conclusion that on 5 prot dungeons you cant get huge overalls
blazing condor
but you can get high logs
strong forum
which is weird
paper elbow
Must've felt pretty funny to do a 5 prot warr dung, loads of intervenes everywhere
distant crystal
needs more clickbait thumbnails with cleavage
strong forum
ionic fern
cinder pasture
And red circles, and arrows
blazing condor
i swear that was purely for movement lmao
distant crystal
wait what happens if you make an intervene loop
paper elbow
wait what happens if you make an intervene loop
THIS
distant crystal
server crash?
or can you not intervene an intervene'd attack, so it just goes to the first one?
distant crystal
next time you do the bleed tormentor ya'll gotta do a circle of intervention for science
distant crystal
blazing condor
stark sage
: )
distant crystal
Nomeratur, Zeroth Warrior
modern brook
ergaw owns
blazing condor
erga fucks
strong forum
erga has 13ilvl on me
modern brook
excuses
strong forum
modern brook
next you'll say he plays the game
blazing condor
he gets payed to play the game for other people
strong forum
ruining the game
modern brook
the things id do for a boost ๐ฆ
strong forum
raidboosting is the most boring shit ever
modern brook
raidboosting is the most boring shit ever
yeah but i want my sylv daggers ๐ฆ
distant crystal
what's killing ya'll the most
teal swift
Erga is a cutie
distant crystal
ahh, fellow rive enjoyers
modern brook
not even
waxen orbit
you love to see it tbh
Oh is we e-peen swangin?
blazing condor
Oh is we e-peen swangin?
i just thought it was funny that we managed to 5-prot warr a dungeon and everyone got top 10
strong forum
heroic logs
modern brook
@waxen orbit im recrutiing a heroic logging prot warrior tank for this 13 mists
if u want :^)
waxen orbit
Naw
blazing condor
<@!203999248931356673> im recrutiing a heroic logging prot warrior tank for this...
ME
modern brook
us only
blazing condor
among us
modern brook
this is a free group
blazing condor
do i gotta pay 2 million if i need to be healed
waxen orbit
Still need to do a full mythic run to refresh my prot parses
:T
Only killed first 5 as prot because I gave up my tank slot when I swapped raid teams and then came back
acoustic willow
239 Aegis or 246 Scale?
waxen orbit
Aegis on necro week for sure
blazing condor
im a fan of aegis
strong forum
aegis
blazing condor
aegis in m+ is pretty given
waxen orbit
Very few situations in M+ where scale beats aegis tbh
acoustic willow
ok
strong forum
scale only beats aegis on bosses that dont do alot of dot dmg
waxen orbit
Yea
acoustic willow
my other options are Decanter, anima field, gland. Should I double on use?
waxen orbit
Which decanter
strong forum
gland
acoustic willow
raid decanter crit with proc/heal
waxen orbit
Gland goes null if your health falls below 50% so that's dependent on key level
distant crystal
just need a weakaura that does /yell ONE HEAL PLZ when you have the negative ocular buff
acoustic willow
Yeah I dint love gland since I PUG a lot
waxen orbit
Yeah I dint love gland since I PUG a lot
Exactly
What key level and how many pugs
That can be a genuine variable with gland
waxen orbit
^
paper elbow
Btw, any plugin to details or something that you can see total blocks etc?
strong forum
na only on logs
paper elbow
cock
strong forum
waxen vale
Any sense that nfae might overtake kyr in 9.2? I'm just Lvlng my warrior trying to decide
I have a hunch was wondering if you heard anything
dawn canyon
either is good
waxen vale
Aftershock seems way cooler but I feel like you might miss the Phial a lot as a mplus tank
distant crystal
phial should cool down in combat change my mind
waxen vale
It doesn't?
distant crystal
It behaves like potions used to work before shadowlands
it doesn't start cooling down until you drop combat
distant crystal
it'll keep cooling down
waxen vale
I'm about to search spec leadervoards to see what cov
I figure you want to max both and swap depending on the week
For this spec
urban portal
Yeah you go max
For every tank you should have kyrian maxed
Just for bad weeks
Even dk can go kyrian
waxen vale
So max kyr first ig
urban portal
But anyways having spear for every avatar is great
You don't have avatar for every AA
strong forum
That must be a hug
Not a bug
Health potions can only be used once per combat
And phial is a healthpotion
So the CD only starts cooling down after you left combat once
Same as healthstones
Only once per combat
distant crystal
health potions can be used many times per combat
not healthstones tho
and i hate it!
but you can just die and get rezzed, boom your healthstone and phial are both cooling down
urban portal
yeah i dont see why phial/pots dont cooldown
healthstone i kind of understand because its a 1 minute cd
but its not like warlock is very insane in m+
blazing condor
Problem with phial in my experience is that the time it takes after combat for it to go on CD is too long
So sometimes you just end up pulling through half the dungeon and realize you never got it back
blazing condor
Otherwise you get hole in your teeth
west walrus
Health potiond, like combat and utilities potions can be use every 5 minutes
Healthstone and kyrian pots start cooling down when out of combat
dawn canyon
So sometimes you just end up pulling through half the dungeon and realize you ne...
For me mika always eats it when i play dps so i never actually have any
It's so annoying
broken stratus
Does the 200% effective TC from tier set have the slow component included? or only damage and rage
west walrus
The true question is why do you play dps ?
west walrus
Does the 200% effective TC from tier set have the slow component included? or on...
Seems to be 100% effectiveness
20% without outburst
Hmm nvm, 50% with talent
Seems like just a "+20% bonus"
strong forum
The slow is wonky as shit
Makes no sense how you put it
The talent just gives +10%
And they somehow made the slow effectiveness only increase by 100%, gotta love blizz tooltips
distant crystal
better go duel someone and check their actual movespeed
west walrus
I did not test directly
distant crystal
tooltip might just be jacked
west walrus
What I hate with this set : we already have many things to look at, choosing either survivability or damage. And they add a buff to track which demands us to hold gameplay
Hold... as a prot warrior !
I miss Legion gameplay :')
blazing condor
I miss whatever it was that made it all bearable
west walrus
Quick test, with talent it is really 50% movement speed reduction
From 115 to 58 (I guess 57.5)
strong forum
Sometimes I wonder if there is a QA at Blizzard
They fired 800 QA employees in bfa
Don't you remember
:)
blazing condor
We all know you dont need a working staff and customer/quality assurance to keep a game alive
Just look at Jagex
The money they save
strong forum
:)
cinder storm
Does anybody know how to pull varruth from ardenweald's hallway?
west walrus
Do you mean mechagon?
Heroic throw, and hide behind the pillar
Don't bother about the drill, there is no social aggro
sick sentinel
They fired 800 QA employees in bfa
Bfa: Fire 800 quality assurance workers
Shadowlands: there is no quality or assurance any more and the game isn't as good
Hmmmm wonder how that happened
blazing condor
i think it's because they fired 800 quality assurance workers back in BFA
drifting oasis
hmmm I prefer SL to BFA, I think BFA has been the worst expansdion so far
blazing condor
BFA had a bunch of bad systems imo but it had a way better world and feel
dungeons were also way better
i liked the whole zuldazar / kul tiras thing
drifting oasis
yeah, that's a good way of putting it
waycrest manor was great, loved the HP Lovecraft feel to it
but the mechanics they introduced was so over-elaborate i just couldn't be bothered with it
blazing condor
BFA also had things that could've been good on paper but was shit. Islands and warfronts had good potential. But putting a "beat the timer" thing on islands kinda defeated the feeling of wanting to explore and do quests, tied with the AP grind needed as well.
and warfronts was just afk and you still won and no cool pvp versions etc
i only really played 8.0 and 8.2 though so this is just my opinions without the best basis
sick sentinel
For alot of bfa I had a privileged seat, run guild with 2 other idiots just as dumb as me, could use gbank as my own bank get consumables made for just the mats
But I did think bfa was very good
There was parts of it I hated sure can't think of those off hand, I feel like it did alot right though, there was always an activity you could be doing at any time with islands or warfronts
west walrus
Waycrest Manor, my most hated dungeon of all time ^^
brittle owl
waycrest was dope as fuck
sweet summit
waycrest owned
sweet summit
๐ฅต
west walrus
Shittiest camera
brittle owl
i lowkey loved kr snek boss before nerfs
west walrus
Wasn't it a big trash ? ๐
sweet summit
only had a dot that ticked for like 70% of your max hp no big deal
dawn canyon
Healer mechanic
mellow bridge
at least healers back then pressed one button and you were full hp again
sweet summit
sweet summit
100%
west walrus
Never forget Twilight Devasation
I remember hearing "Kuku... can you let us play?"
Funnier on bursting weeks
brittle owl
at least healers back then pressed one button and you were full hp again <:yep:7...
that's strictly a perception issue
sick sentinel
i remember tons of rage in voice comms when people fucked up on the troll totem boss AD
brittle owl
people were saying the exact same thing about legion while in bfa
sick sentinel
cuz, you had the totem mechanic and you had the interupt + perma blots
so it was a VERY hard boss for lots of ppl
brittle owl
healer power relative to health pools increases as patches go on
and usually you spend the most time in an expac when healer power is relatively the highest
sick sentinel
i remember some groups would just straight up leave if you fucked up first attempt of kill all 3 totems at same time
they wouldn't even wait for the wipe just leave
brittle owl
KR had a very tight timer
in a conservative run if you fucked up council boss the key was bricked
sick sentinel
we always had a DK with us, so, he would just MC the undead goop guy, make that dungeon way too easy
the only way you fuck up council is if you don't know a single mechanic, axe is tricky but a monkey can do it
stand out of cloud when it shows up, wait, fall back in on the boss
the interupt on the other guy is like 150 seconds long, and the aoe doesn't hit full room
tons and tons of ways to survive the charge, even solo, his melee enrage hurt
cinder storm
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1255815724?t=05h38m17s I saw Yummy trying to replicate this running with nerf last night. Have no idea how they did it
Would it be a toy maybe?
safe thistle
definately gonna raid as necrolord and m+ as kyrian
strong forum
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1255815724?t=05h38m17s I saw Yummy trying to replic...
Okay so
The pally sacs the monk, the monk needs to take dmg from say a campfire, or a misfired nitro boost from engineering
And then the monk needs to target whatever they want to pull
That's as far as I know, but idk if the monk needs to press smth aswell like dampen magic to reflect dmg onto the target or smth
dawn canyon
It also works with dh
Since it's the application of the debuff that pulls
How you apply it idk
distant crystal
links to timestamps don't embed to the timestamp in discord
but i ffwd to 5h38m17s and saw nothing
they were running the gauntlet room going into ardenweald
blazing condor
Ah fair
mellow bridge
there's a potion or smth that makes you take increased fire dmg iirc
they take that in addition to the campfire
because else the dmg isnt high enough
probably cuz of random absorbs like kyr
it's real fucking lame and should be removed asap tho tbh
blazing condor
Do tormentors de-aggro?
mellow bridge
wdym?
jagged pier
blazing condor
I assume you cant just MD it
sick sentinel
i sort of feel like snapping goes agianst the rules of the game :S
makes things that should be harder very simple
mellow bridge
I dont mind the snapping as it was in BFA
like snapping all the small dinos in AD etc
but snapping stuff around the whole dungeon or pulling the last boss in HoA with the monk trick to skip last boss
that's just lame
mellow bridge
ye
sick sentinel
only reason's i'd attempt to do snaps if for TD
sick sentinel
make it hit everything, td did good job a that anyway
strong forum
Well pre-nerf TD
strong forum
Post-nerf TD "only" hit 10
sick sentinel
yeah, only for like 500k
sick sentinel
i don't even think it matters which trash you pulled in ML
all routes seemed viable do anything
mellow bridge
it did matter a lot
strong forum
Well there are more efficient routes
mellow bridge
you never pulled much past 3rd boss
mellow bridge
oh yeah after 2nd not 3rd
sick sentinel
i did first boss of ML as hunter one time and i fucking hate that guy now
blazing condor
ML was just โpull everything before 1st boss then runโ
mellow bridge
that was a feels good moment as a tank
sick sentinel
i hate that attack he does turns at you and you have to move out
strong forum
Was always funny when people underestimate frontals
sick sentinel
told friend "i'm not going to die to that shit" die "brez" "I'm not going to die to that again" die
strong forum
mellow bridge
for abilities like that you just wanna stand closer to the boss
sick sentinel
fuuuuacck lol
sick sentinel
it was more the fact that he chose me and i had to avoid it
and never ever had to do it as protection
mellow bridge
yeah
sick sentinel
died lot to 3rd boss DOT
strong forum
Yeah 3rd boss was tight if your healer wasn't ready and if you didn't plan CDs
strong forum
It was
But even with that, the boss hurts like a motherfucker
Pure magic dmg nukes
Love it
sick sentinel
yes event ually i just learned to reflect or wall it
sick sentinel
paladin friendo is the way to go
distant crystal
i get a chubby every time i see the vod of snapping all of ataldazar onto the tank, then snapping the tank onto Rezan
mellow bridge
those snaps onto boss werent really a thing outside of mdi tho
sick sentinel
i get a chubby when i do 2nd boss of water temple tentacle place with 2 bosses and we reset stacks of tornadoe 1 shot bullshit and don't get 1 shot by them
sick sentinel
the one where you have to manage interupts correcly and melee not die to cleave
sick sentinel
it was easy once you understood that it only fucks you with the buff up and stand behind is a like requirement for melee dps
strong forum
na
that boss was only easy if you had 4 ranged players
cuz theyd stand on the safespot
and youd just do your thing alone as a tank and they do their kicks
distant crystal
you could do it for melee too
strong forum
yes i know
sick sentinel
it was fine it was "don't stand in tornadoes, stand behind wait for interupt instruction
strong forum
but that was ultra cancer to move
dodge tornados, stand close enough, aim frontals away
and kick
and move boss back and forth outside of rune
quick enough
sick sentinel
i think we usually just lusted her and nuked
distant crystal
perfect
strong forum
it was fine it was "don't stand in tornadoes, stand behind wait for interupt ins...
on low keys, sure but on like 25tyr
this boss was the most horrid thing to tank
distant crystal
GET HIM OUT OF THE RUNE BEFORE IT EATS MY IGNITE!!!!!
distant crystal
i'm comboooosting
strong forum
so the bleeds also went away
strong forum
i literally refused to play shrine on tyr
strong forum
yeah
distant crystal
Shrine had some neat degen strats tho
strong forum
i miss deleting keys
distant crystal
like the riding on a druid's back snap reset thing
distant crystal
when last boss gave the buff to everyone
sick sentinel
i don't care that i can de-level it, i just want to delete it get a new onw
distant crystal
splat
or after they nerfed it to only go on healers
and your hpal accidentally pressed light of the martyr
strong forum
or someone kills the smallies