Nah
#protection
waxen orbit
acoustic willow
Same boat as you, just came over from Bear main but also play Brew Pally and Blood. Learning to use Shield Block better has made my life way easier these past few days
teal swift
Ban tanks from queueing arenas
Ban tanks from queueing keys
Force all tanks to run their own key kek
jagged pier
The fuck not 
chat?
sweet summit
blazing condor
true violet
got my tome in a couple of attempts as Prot
def the easiest challenge so far
Sygrif as Assa was pure pain
blazing condor
good job 
forest atlas
Sygrif as Assa was pure pain
Got myself double crusader and just placed em all in the middle and facetanked most of it. Not OP. 🤡
sick sentinel
Force all tanks to run their own key kek
Already have been doing that
blazing condor
yogi is the pioneer
blazing condor
man im running 14s n shit just cus im bored
imagine being so bored that you willingly play wow
blazing condor
yeah it sucked lol
i have other things i should do
but fuck that
so id rather be bored and force myself to do things i dont enjoy so i dont have to be productive 
jagged prism
do you guys do chore content as prot or swap to dps?
blazing condor
do it as prot
i honestly dont feel a difference
and its nice to be able to pull everything and just cleave down
but i assume you can do that as dps too
modern brook
Bro the things I'd do to want to play wow rn
lime urchin
What’s chore content
dawn canyon
Korthia weeklies etc
lime urchin
Don’t do that!
blazing condor
luckily i only have 4 days left of my game time with no real reason to renew 
soon im free
lime urchin
Me and the m+ bois made alts and forced to play a role you haven’t played before, and get ksm on these alts with max 226 ilvl
Having much fun trying that!
Maybe a nice idea for you bored bois
blazing condor
aint got no m+ bois 
dawn canyon
^
lime urchin
blazing condor
check your friendship privileges roirin
modern brook
Honestly it's gross when these friend havers start giving advice
dawn canyon
Suuuuper disgusting
sick sentinel
good is correct
friendship is a priviledge, NOT a right
something we all learned one point or another
jagged pier
aint got no m+ bois <:sadge:820202363359854633>
lime urchin
I’ll go sit in the corner again looking at my new holy palading:
blazing condor
<:detective:912341312907378689>
Any weeklies tonight? 
jagged pier
i should do 1 on my monk
blazing condor
im down for any at least
dawn canyon
I can offer my rat geared fury for a SH weekly 
sick sentinel
someday ill play these boosted rogue and locks
they just action figures collecting dust on a shelve RN, only open the box to play 1 time with each
part of my huge frustration with alot of wow classes is they have a ton of cool PVP talents that would be great in PVE or even solo content, but its locked to pvp only, some nice abilities and passives, have to filter the ones that break game ofcourse
sick sentinel
theatre banner boss you mean?
can't think of any dueling that takes place in dos unless there is some MC i overlooked
mellow bridge
nah there was a bug in dos
sick sentinel
yeah, so a bug, so i would have tottally 1000% ignored it unless i knew it could benefit me in some way ?
99.99% normal see a bug in a video game and there total thought process about it is "oh shit, thats not supposed to happen, wtf, oh well, hope it doesn't happen again" and then never think about it ever again
warped mulch
How much haste is to much haste these days?
warped mulch
Ok, thought there was a breakpoint where it became pretty bad.
Have some 252 rings I picked up this week
lofty widget
above 40 % you might wanna stop prioing haste cause of the tax
but we're not at those levels yet
solid granite
Theoretically yes, but even will all haste + lower secondary you ain't gonna hit that ceiling anytime soon
Even with ITF, i just about hitting ~40% haste
warped mulch
Shit, someone should pin that
solid granite
ouh, spiteful & necrotic next.. another dead week. Great
blazing condor
Wait
With 5 tanks do spiteful even do somethin
It does, right?
Same way it can aggro you if dps dies
strong forum
they attack tanks
blazing condor
They dont aggro tanks off the bat tho
dawn canyon
You can prolly just live with reprisal though, right?
strong forum
they do do physical dmg
lime urchin
spiteful is sesmic week!
jagged pier
thats every week
lime urchin
\o/
blazing condor
reprisal who
sweet summit
reprial dn
blazing condor
the real "reprisal" is what god will give you for not playing seismic
solid granite
Glory > seismic
jagged pier
i mean no
mighty valley
imagine spiteful with 4 tanks 1 healer
every time a pack dies the healer is just oh FUCK
blazing condor
Pala healer 🙂
distant crystal
need a nighteelf healer
to really test the tanks' meddle
if you bop do they still try to melee or just start hitting other ppl
wild hemlock
yogi real big brain
mighty valley
sometimes dps doesn't know how to do anything but rotation
sick sentinel
waste of dps to even attack them unless they hold combat barrier
this is more or less what dh told me
sick sentinel
they only attack in melee range
strong forum
Yes, so they can force a melee player outside
Cuz they 1shot on higher difficulties
sick sentinel
this was a 13 mists and it was easy as shit
strong forum
Ofc it is
sick sentinel
"spectral reach" or just simply "reach" like from magic gathering
wild hemlock
this was a 13 mists and it was easy as shit
lololol well no shit
twilit jay
what ilvl would i need to hit to be able to tank 15s ok?
jagged pier
whatever your comfortable with
strong forum
But that's equal to just being carried
modern brook
252 prolly 🤔
waxen orbit
Fair
strong forum
An average player isnt gonna have alot of fun with 200ilvl in 15s
modern brook
15s are progression content for a group of 5 people all around 220 ilvl
Unless I'm misremembering the loot drop level
dawn canyon
236 is a drop for a timed 15
waxen orbit
220 sounds about right for the standard player this patch
modern brook
Yeah I am
strong forum
My rule of thumb was, whatever the key drops -10ilvl should be safe game
modern brook
226** overall but frankly those 6 ilvls shouldn't matter
strong forum
Yeah
dawn canyon
My rule of thumb was, whatever the key drops -10ilvl should be safe game
242 for mythic raid then wink
waxen orbit
Yea
modern brook
M+ raid pog
waxen orbit
235 is pretty comfy for the first 3 of mythic
dawn canyon
i mean assuming limit was 243 or something on average mythic is defo killable like that
but i wouldnt recommend it
waxen orbit
That’s limit
dawn canyon
exactly
waxen orbit
Kek
jagged pier
242 for mythic raid then *wink*
well there thats fine
modern brook
Raid is also a very different beast
jagged pier
did most of it at less than 242
modern brook
I uhhh hard disagree
Esp this teir
We have not once been blocked on prog by a damage check
waxen orbit
It’s not ab damage, it’s ab health
If you’re sub 240 on something like Painsmith as say, a hunter, you’re gonna give your healers unnecessary stress
You can do it, sure, but with gear being this easy to get there’s no point
modern brook
Iunno the stress from painsmith is people remembering to not walk into balls
sturdy sable
Well most raid damage is accounted for and cooldowns are planned accordingly
distant crystal
there's a lot of dmg checks in this raid lol
not like, hard checks you autowipe if you don't make it, just...checks that make the fight much harder to survive if you don't make them
modern brook
there's a lot of dmg checks in this raid lol
My point was that we were hitting them regardless
waxen orbit
Right but I’m talking about unnecessary stress for healers to handle. There’s no reason to be sub 240 moving past 6/10 mythic with how easy gear is to get this patch lmao
modern brook
The only tome damage checks were a. Issue is when mechanic checks were failed and we were down x bodies
modern brook
Right but I’m talking about unnecessary stress for healers to handle. There’s no...
Sure, I won't argue that
I'm just trying to say this tier I feel is pretty easy to sneak by on lower ilvl
sturdy sable
Plus if you are dying alot as a dps just run blood set
strong forum
It's the easiest tier in 2 xpacs next to nyalotha
sturdy sable
Itle heal alot of stupid
strong forum
If not the easiest tier since emerald nightmare
sturdy sable
Yeah this tier has alot of gift bosses
modern brook
I'm honestly torn on this raid
sturdy sable
I personally hate it
modern brook
Cause I really like a lot of the encounters
strong forum
You only have 2 bosses that should take more than 100 pulls
modern brook
But If I get told to hold damage one more fucking time I'm putting my fist through the screen
sturdy sable
Im so tired of fighting dude in spike armour surrounded by "souls" and darkness
Or what ever tired variation of something else they use
sturdy sable
I get it its the theme im just saying this tier is long
Im starting to think 9.2 will never come
dawn canyon
this tier also desperately needed something like the mirrors in castle
sturdy sable
Or come in April
dawn canyon
getting around SOD fuckin sucks
strong forum
9.2 should be around late Feb, early March
sturdy sable
Ye thats the assumption
waxen orbit
Enough time to squeak tormented hero as prot 
sturdy sable
Hmmm witch queen or 9.2? Decisions decisions
strong forum
he thinks he can slam
Sir
Don't forget the 2 weeks of nothing
Into 2 weeks of heroic only
frank thistle
as an rDPS main I found Heroic SoD a lot easier than CN. The only iffy spot on that is Sylv since my guild never downed it.
I also just liked CN a lot more.
dawn canyon
i only ever played CN and SOD so far
i played a lot better in SOD but had more fun in castle
frank thistle
Same on all accounts, mostly. I never tracked how well I did in CN but I was a boomkin then so I never did terribly. Was Destro/Demo throughout SoD which I found harder in terms of playing my class. I've been playing on and off since WoD but only started raiding in CN
blazing condor
dawn canyon
CN definitely was a good intro to raiding for me
blazing condor
esketit bois
dawn canyon
CN definitely was a good intro to raiding for me
lotta fight types and a cool group to do it with
frank thistle
Agreed. I know people don't put it super highly on the list or anything but it was a lot of fun. Sludgefist, Xy'mox and Sire were easily my faves.
dawn canyon
i really liked inerva although i hardly didnt anything on her as melee
council also pretty cool
frank thistle
Council was alright. Turreting the first two and then the whole raid going into panic mode at the last one was kinda eh. I found Inerva boring.
teal swift
@blazing condor wtb mounts from that again
blazing condor
<@186864948343865344> wtb mounts from that again
yeah fr that shit was dope
got a lot of good stuff from those bags
but free runes i can take too ig
teal swift
Make tanking great again
dawn canyon
🤝
frank thistle
Make the non-fel werebear attainable for non-Legion players 🥺
frank thistle
I'm lazy and not a guardian player so I never bothered to get the fel one anyways, but plz blizz I beg you
the Kul Tiran one is rad
I wish Zandalari got more unique bear and cat forms
Like fuck yea, dinosaurs, but they're kinda boring
Am I wrong in thinking this week's affixes sound a lot easier than last's for prot warr? Inspir was kinda a pain in the ass in my lowbie keys.
blazing condor
this whole season is tyran-favored
intentionally
almost every tyrann week is good
and the bad ones arent even that bad
frank thistle
Is that because people hated it last season? :p
strong forum
Probably intentionally yes
Cuz they changed the scoring system
And they didn't want only people pushing keys on fort
So they nerfed tyr and gave it on average better affixes
blazing condor
tyr has always been neglected for rio pushin
except for now when its needed
so what better way
strong forum
Well neglect is a strong word
blazing condor
im a strong man
blazing condor
just have incredible burst 😄
frank thistle
:^] no, I suck
west walrus
I hope one day they get rid of fort / tyr, and we have a ladder including all affixes, and we may choose
agile pumice
then theyd have to actually balance them
frank thistle
And then there's the ones that I imagine wouldnt be very popular if they were/are already balanced
teal swift
Unpopular opinion. Fuck fortified weeks. Tyran is way easier to time
frank thistle
I enjoy Fort a lot more
teal swift
I find Tyr so much easier and flexible on timing
frank thistle
99% of my experience in M+ is on rDPS and I dread Tyr because the packs die without doing anything
And also because long bosses are no fun
dawn canyon
Tyr is cool until you have pugs that apparently dont know how the bosses work
And tyra SD scares me but that's just on me
frank thistle
Hell yea, just got 233 pants from the WB after getting 226 raid pants from the vault
No salt
/s
west walrus
Am I the only one hating necrotic weeks ?
west walrus
bad design
frank thistle
It's just weird. Reasonable-ish on paper (if annoying and boring) until it's either irrelevant to or hamstrings your spec.
Definitely wouldnt miss it
strong forum
they shouldnt make affixes that are more taxing on the tanks
regular m+ already does that plenty
blazing condor
True
Is there really any affix specifically there to fuck with dps except spiteful
That doesnt also apply to everyone else
frank thistle
Volcanic I guess
blazing condor
Yeah but everyone gets volcanic is what i mean not just dps right?
strong forum
it does go after healers
blazing condor
So not even that then 
frank thistle
Volcanic is also specifically rDPS iirc
strong forum
no volcanic is everybody
frank thistle
oh I'm just an idiot then
strong forum
distant =>1 yard
blazing condor
Tanks have what? Necrotic, raging, bolstering (also affects dps to an extent)
What else
blazing condor
Eeeh also applies to everyone
frank thistle
oh yea guess that's a tank thing
strong forum
more to tanks than anyone else m8
blazing condor
Ye but i mean thats p much solely a tank affix
blazing condor
Yeah sang is a tank affix for sure
Inspiring
You could argue
But that affects everyone
Bottom line wtf blizz cut me a break kthx
strong forum
tanks arent allowed to have fun
the last time we had fun we got twittercancelled hard
blazing condor
Azerothian society really takes its toll
Too bad im hardwired to tank brain and i dont see any way i would ever reroll
frank thistle
As stressful as it is I enjoy tanking keys far more than DPSing them thus far
Getting into groups is also a thing I can do now :D
sick sentinel
whatever this shit is now is fun to me
long as shit actually dies and gets slowed who cares, necrotic i think, super easy
frank thistle
About to tank my first anything-past-10 (a 12), oh boy
Getting my ass kicked by trash
west walrus
What else
Grievous?
Any time I test a dps spec, I find it boring and go back to tanking 😆
sick sentinel
if you are kyrian, one of the better specs always make sure to have 3 kpots and your fine
sounds like hes getting a whole bunch of stacks and then only noticing around 20-30 his necrotic if i had to guess
one nice think about doing tank is you aren't subject to (random lightning dps clothy deleter aoe) spells
frank thistle
Grievous?
That's a whole group thing, not just a tank thing.
Finally finished that 12 that turned into an 11, frost mage was doing 2k dps on mistweaver.
Didnt time it despite being pretty good on deaths for most of it, that last boss is a clusterfuck on tyrannical though.
wtb more deeps
vocal geode
those are some rookie dps numbers
frank thistle
Yea, it was... not quick.
sick sentinel
Ehh, hard to say why it could have gone wrong many reasons for it, could be possible you didn't pull enough or kited to long or something for everyone to be low dps like that
frank thistle
I was pulling pretty small the whole way through. Was getting mauled by a whole bunch of packs, probably due to shitty Shield Block usage. I should start logging keys
vocal geode
mists is usually double pack the entire dungeon
with a frost mage kiting the necrotic stacks should be a breeze
modern brook
I was pulling pretty small the whole way through. Was getting mauled by a whole ...
logs and video recordings help alot
teal swift
wtb more deeps
3k tho
frank thistle
Not sure if good or bad.
ocean yoke
54% new low on sylv so close get me off this boss
acoustic willow
Anyone else have a crisis deciding between Arms or Fury for when you have to DPS. Arms uses our based Kyrian set but I think I like fury more but don’t wanna level Venthyr.
sweet summit
fury also plays kyrian 
frank thistle
I can’t stand Arms. Fury all the way.
teal swift
fury also plays kyrian <:okayge:917646812519739433>
EM is fucking busted
Every warrior should be kyrian imho
dawn canyon
Arms NF imo but kyrian good for m+ as arms
waxen orbit
Kyrian for every spec M+ as warrior
Kyrian/NF depending on play style for most fights on arms, Kyrian for all fights as fury and prot with maybe necro on guardian if you want that big execute as prot
Dreamweaver NF arms and Mikanikos Kyr arms are pretty much on the same level if you learn how to play around either
frank thistle
I did a couple keys on NF and immediately went back to Kyrian lol
Would be nice to get that NF transmog eventually though
In hindsight Necrotic week wasnt the best time to try out NF
cinder dirge
Nf is still very sick as prot whenever you take into account the amount of clowns that doesnt use their interrupt.
Kyrian wont save you from that
As soon as you play with people who use their interrupt button kyrian becomes better. But thats way too rare from my experience and people start using a lot at smth around 2.6.
Below that this is a fkn zoo.
strong forum
🐒
lime urchin
I like animals
blazing condor
monke
sweet summit
🦍
jagged pier
🐵
blazing condor
🦧
strong forum
🦥
jagged pier
🐨
west walrus
Why choosing between arms and fury when you can play the best spec?
west walrus
I did a couple keys on NF and immediately went back to Kyrian lol
I have played NF since the beginning of SL. I play Kyrian only when necessary
blazing condor
shame on you
blazing condor
😠
blazing condor
good luck 🙂 🙂
didnt even get jaithys again on kt either
but i got a better parse so woop woop i guess but who tf cares about hc
blazing condor
yeah i know
but it looks prettier
too bad i still got a 98 on tarra so its not all pink
sick sentinel
from an LARP perspective i still think venthyr prot has one of the best asthetic
blazing condor
i mean does maldraxxus make more sense
since that realm is just one big warrior penis-measure contest
sick sentinel
if skyhold wouldn't mald at me i'd be playing mix of kyrian and necro IV
sick sentinel
its like, minus the ABK lawsuits going on, i think that that game at a core level functions well, but its just not ironed out or thought out and polished time given to add the finishing touches
there just isn't enough thought put into the entire big picture
so like the action of going into torghast and beating that getting crazy powers is tons of fun, but the second there is way that everything you did id that run you had fun on is negated, that's where i think alot of people start to resent things
sick sentinel
i never mean that i think the game should be easier, i just mean that i think it should be less BULLSHIT, all games matter of fact, if you got a guy that has a 2 second stun on 6 second cooldown say, pulling 1 of those is fine, if you get 2 or 3 or more of them, they stun your entire group and you just cannot compete then, its total GG wipe
sick sentinel
this is also probably a niche opinion, but i'd love to see certain old world dungeons segments adapted for m+ for more than a week
blazing condor
dont look at ciphers of the first ones
sick sentinel
they had that time walking LFR thing could do something like that where you have to pull all of the worst boss phases or trashes and survive and then it takes you to next part
shell shale
does shield block work against sylvanas?
jagged pier
yes
shell shale
What is it reducing. I'm having a slightly hard time seeing in logs. I normally dont tank was just curious
strong forum
Her ranger shot
jagged pier
white hits ranger shot and the physical part of heartseeker
strong forum
And the heartseeker shots are also physical
shell shale
Ohh thanks!
modern brook
There's also the reflect sheet
That's has every blockable/reflectable ability by encounter
In pins
shell shale
Yup I love that. Been seeing the crazy shit able to reflect
oh
didnt realize blockable meant shield block
Lmao facepalm
modern brook
Yup
sick sentinel
its a really dumb idea but in 8.2-8.3 i had any physical spell bar be red and magic be blue, and then it did female countdown for magic damage ones and male for physical ones i set, had it play crunch for blockable and banana peel for reflect
modern brook
Huh?
blazing condor
sick sentinel
made it easy to filter spells
blazing condor
big true
gaunt dawn
sick sentinel
i have.... different tastes in music
uncut notch
Hello
Can we talk about ignore pain for a second pls
How often are you boys popping ignore pain?
I’ve been considering it equal to shield block and trying to get as much uptime as possible
But I just can’t seem to justify the 40 rage compared to other spenders
esp since the shield seems so weak, 9k absorb is gone in less than a second on an m15 double pack
So unless I’m using ravager and last stand to just DUMP points into it, it never seems worth it
Are you guys trying to maintain high uptime or is it a bit of an “oh shit” button
jagged pier
it is nither an oh shit button or somthing u keep up
its does hardly anything
shield block on blockable attacks is by far better
strong forum
You use it when you know you will take heavy dmg, or just unblockable dmg, and when you're about to rage cap
uncut notch
its does hardly anything
This has been my confusion, esp if I have shard/scale up available they just seem 10x better aside from 20 second CD
jagged pier
if u feel like SB is weak u arent using it correctly
modern brook
This has been my confusion, esp if I have shard/scale up available they just see...
When you're first Startin out I like to tell people you should only really be using ignore pain to keep yourself from overlapping rage
sick sentinel
its supposed to be more of an answer to magic damage but its a rage dump
modern brook
There's definitely more efficient ways to use it
uncut notch
if u feel like SB is weak u arent using it correctly
I live and die by SB, almost 95% uptime in mythics
Ignore pain specifically I can’t work out
jagged pier
logs for your uptime please
modern brook
But if you're only dumping into ip to prevent rage overcap. You're using it more correctly than trying to maintain it
uncut notch
logs for your uptime please
I’ll see what I can dig out hang on
sick sentinel
i'm not sharing the last log i uploaded
blazing condor
coward
jagged pier
u literally just use it for magic damage and to not cap rage
theres no
meta gaming IP
sick sentinel
it was abysmal but we timed it?
uncut notch
So would you combine it with spell reflect?
sick sentinel
3.8k dps 35% blocks overalll
blazing condor
well thats what the log is for? you read it to see why it was abysmal and what you can do to improve??
uncut notch
Let’s say foooor, SD, the bomb effect on boss 3
sick sentinel
thats why i'm not sharin it lol
blazing condor
spell reflect on that boss in particular does the job
modern brook
Let’s say foooor, SD, the bomb effect on boss 3
Generally spell reflection nullifies damage so stacking ip with it is wasted rage
blazing condor
you still take the initial hit of it
uncut notch
But the explosion effect is still 20% DR right?
blazing condor
yeah
uncut notch
With reflect
blazing condor
i only take like 1-2 orbs depending on key level
pop SR
and take like 30% damage MAX
sick sentinel
you can hit IP twice to get a second "stack" of IP
lofty widget
shouldnt need any orbs tbh
jagged pier
the explosion alone will never kill u with SR and 1 orb upto like 20s at least
lofty widget
full IP+SR is enough
sick sentinel
but, its still a 50% absorb
so it says 20k, but it really means 10k for 80 rage >.> + does no damage
sick sentinel
come again? i got a maths formula wrong didnt i
uncut notch
So to answer the original question, it’s solely a rage dump and a bit of a filler for magic damage
Usually when SR is on CD as using both is a bit too much
And wastes efficiency
blazing condor
its your magic damage mititagtion because block does nothing for magic
and defensive rage dump
uncut notch
no yogi
Also ref the logs thing, I can’t find anything so just assume I pulled that figure out of my ass, I don’t run logs so I’m having to flick through other peoples uploads
jagged pier
whats your char name?
uncut notch
I’ve found a mythic tarra log that had 70% but that’s highest I’ve found
jagged pier
thats shit for raid, and raid logs dont equal mythic + logs
uncut notch
🙄
modern brook
70% uptime or 70% blocked hits
uncut notch
Anyway, thanks for the advice on IP, will see you in 3 months
modern brook
Different things
uncut notch
When I have another question haha
modern brook
Both still low tbh
blazing condor
does anyone got numbers on dps increase/decrease by keeping SB up in ST scenarios? in terms of rage/gcd-to-damage-gain comparisons
modern brook
@ionic fern would know
blazing condor
aka is it worth keeping SB up outside of tanking for SS damage
modern brook
That's his job
sick sentinel
When I have another question haha
remember not to gaze into the abyss too long or it will stare back into and consume you
modern brook
aka is it worth keeping SB up outside of tanking for SS damage
My guess is it's only worth pressing to avoid capping charges
sick sentinel
thats always how these things start.... "okay cool guys i'll check in with in you in a month...."
blazing condor
but when the world (me 🙂 ) needed mwahi the most, he vanished
sick sentinel
thats the great sorrow and mystery of life
people are there and then they just leave and never return
or they come back changed
blazing condor
uncut notch
thats the great sorrow and mystery of life
I have to have things like this permanently muted or I’ll go insane
Big discords like this suck you in
And before you know it you’re telling some scrub his ignore pain has too high an uptime on Christmas Day while your child begs for your attention
Or like, I imagine anyway
sick sentinel
eh that sound a bit exagerated and desperate but sure
blazing condor
And before you know it you’re telling some scrub his ignore pain has too high an...
cute that you believe any of us actually have children let alone sex
now get those logs up
sick sentinel
i couldn't even put it into words for you guys if i wanted to, its something that you yourself only can know
uncut notch
now get those logs up
I’ll install logs after work and do some 18s and see what’s what
blazing condor
or you play HR + rep
sick sentinel
trust me, the yellows of SH will pay attention if u show log
jagged pier
ive seen ppl with HR and rep with less blocked hits than me play for dps
blazing condor
but youre based
sick sentinel
HR is only bad because you can't choose AM with it and same with bolster
lime urchin
Can we talk about ignore pain for a second pls
I got u fam, #showtooltip ignore pain /cast revenge
lime urchin
i only take like 1-2 orbs depending on key level
Coward
vocal geode
not spell reflecting right before the explosion is just trolling
blazing condor
Coward
i mean if the rest of my team is just gonna leave a buncha orbs near the boss i might as well take them
strong forum
Fax
blazing condor
don't wanna be wasteful
lime urchin
True true
regal glen
don't wanna be wasteful
No, but u really wanna mess up your melee dps
lime urchin
Mah bois be greedy with the orbs
blazing condor
No, but u really wanna mess up your melee dps
how do i mess up melee dps if they choose not to take orbs right on the boss?
strong forum
Bro my dps players sometimes run way into Africa to pick up orbs
blazing condor
👆
regal glen
Cuz, just like in football, you gotta use your legs to pass
blazing condor
you mean soccer :^))
strong forum
Fußball
blazing condor
bad troll/10
vocal geode
dont pick up any orbs and dont use any cds on iron spikes
give healer a run for their money
strong forum
I'm too shit for this man, intelligent.
strong forum
I'm too man for this intelligent, shit.
regal glen
Warrior healer spec when?
blazing condor
thats just Erga
strong forum
Leech banner when
blazing condor
mop banners
ez
when can you start getting legendary powers ?
like how far into the questline do you gotta be
regal glen
Finish the quest where the guy who crafts legendaries asks you to get everything needed to craft one
blazing condor
thank u
sick sentinel
mocking banner
sweet summit
leech
regal glen
Yogi banner?
jagged pier
🤗
wild hemlock
can we change ththe prot channel to be yogi themed
think we get an updated tier set today?
shut summit
think we get an updated tier set today?
I hope so
blazing condor
at least tiersets are better than dom sockets
mellow bridge
I pray for a good build 🙏
plush tendon
I pray for a different tier set for Prot War
it makes me sad comparatively to other tanks tbh
or at least the whole outburst thing is kind of lame and feels unnecessarily complicated to get use out of
sweet summit
<@165864577760755712> Morning
gm
blazing condor
its just BORING
make some wild shit that really switches up the spec somehow
its the last patch
game is dying
who cares
jagged pier
the updates are whenever a new build comes out on ptr
but for our teir set thats just praying at this point
woven laurel
oh lmao when does the new ptr build come out
jagged pier
whenever they release one
woven laurel
oh someone said today lol
jagged pier
well maybe theres raid testing tomorrow and friday
doesnt mean they will change our teir set tho
woven laurel
yeah jw if there will be tier set changes in general too
blazing condor
hungry tired, depressed, lazy
🤝 
jagged pier
jagged pier
jagged pier
chilly brook
97 ty
blazing condor
chilly brook
jagged pier
weird american temperature
chilly brook
True
jagged pier
weird ppl that use F instead of C
chilly brook
its not american
I'm just Bill Dipperly
blazing condor
teal swift
@chilly brook I'm glad you're feeling bettee
About a week before Christmas I ended up in the ICU. Managed to be home before Christmas though.
chilly brook
<@133532617940140032> I'm glad you're feeling bettee
Me too fren
chilly brook
About a week before Christmas I ended up in the ICU. Managed to be home before C...
Sheesh
teal swift
Ye, anyways. Take care of yourself :o
blazing condor
regal glen
you good now though?
blazing condor
hope you're alright !
teal swift
I'm ok I promise
blazing condor
teal swift
People who mix teaspoons and tablespoons are monsters
distant crystal
not sure if complaining about mixed units or mixed utensils
teal swift
not sure if complaining about mixed units or mixed utensils
Mixed utensils lol
sick sentinel
People who mix teaspoons and tablespoons are monsters
in canada we use bastard version of usa's system but closer to what rest of world uses
teal swift
in canada we use bastard version of usa's system but closer to what rest of worl...
I'm Canadian
Only issue I have with measurements is in is a cup can be 250ml or 200ml
Depending what part of the world you're from
So it's easy to fuck up recipes lmao
minor helm
What the hell is a ml
sweet summit
hate americans
minor helm
sweet summit
@minor helm smhing my head rn
sweet summit
metric is literally perfect
minor helm
Yeah but how many stones are ya
minor helm
All day metric bearings and then some dude comes ruins the day bringing in something with an inch dimension
sweet summit
sick sentinel
metric system is bullshit yeah, but i ignore it until i have to deal with it
teal swift
All day metric bearings and then some dude comes ruins the day bringing in somet...
Look Into ancient Chinese measuremenrs
It's fucking rough to do math
twilit jay
how close is war machine to devastator talent wise? anyone know
minor helm
Look Into ancient Chinese measuremenrs
Negatory
teal swift
Your name is familiar
strong forum
how close is war machine to devastator talent wise? anyone know
It isnt
Warmachine is a meme talent only to be played when you can pick it for free in torghast
Anywhere else its just bad
sick sentinel
what about say if you have LS and playing necrolord?
strong forum
Still bad
Devastator grants alot more rage than warmachine does
For warmachine to beat devastator you need to constantly kill a target iirc every 7 seconds
Permanently
twilit jay
gross
sick sentinel
the more rage is always no?
strong forum
Devastator also scales with increased rage gen from LS or Necrolord
Just the way warmachine does
Cuz the increased amount of shield slams gained, which is a whopping 15 rage, or in warmachine terms, 15 extra melee attacks
Cuz the rage gain from warmachine on your melee attack is only 1 more rage
And the extra rage you get from when stuff dies, just makes it so you have full rage when you engage in the next pull, because the pull usually ends when stuff is dying :)
It's just a dead talent
Just like punish is a dead talent
Punish is just slightly less shit than war machine
teal swift
And the extra rage you get from when stuff dies, just makes it so you have full ...
And then it's further exacerbated by the fact that you're prolly charging into the next pull.
strong forum
Yup
teal swift
If they gave us an ability that allowed us to convert rage Into raw movement speed kinda like rogues burst of speed
It would see value in running legacy content
But we can merely dream
vestal moat
Anyone have any tips or VOD for P3 Mythic sylvanas prots doing the world tour soak at the beginning? Im tanking with a blood dk and guess i might have to do it. Literally cant find a single vod.
urban portal
punish goes cray cray if you have corruptions i bet
chrome falcon
strong forum
Neat
weak spindle
at least how i read it, say you got 6 stacks and avatar you gain the buff but should still keep 6 stacks?
wonder if you can proc into that then extend etc
strong forum
Yea
weak spindle
biggg
chrome falcon
That would be ideal
weak spindle
free ignore pain too so less of that 7 stack instant ripping too
waxen orbit
Thunder Clap empowerment and 8 stacks is still fucking garbo
It's better but now it's just trash tier instead of shit-stained flaming garbage fire
So
Improvement ig?
strong forum
It's a massive improvement over the old set bonus
You can now avatar whenever you want ti
Dump rage whenever you want to
chrome falcon
That ^ is assuming it actually works how we want it to work
strong forum
And just don't use TC when you have the buff
chrome falcon
We'll see when we get to actually test it
dawn canyon
Depending on how many stacks you get you might never ever have to press IP in keys again
waxen orbit
And just don't use TC when you have the buff
That's gonna feel awful
That's my main gripe
strong forum
??
strong forum
How is that gonna feel awful, jusy press shield slam
chrome falcon
If you don't have shield slam press revenge and get shield slam
strong forum
^
waxen orbit
Right but if you don't have the rage to revenge, Shield Slam is on CD and isn't proccing from Dev, and you have to fill your rotation
Then you can't hit anything
You're just sitting there
Lmao
chrome falcon
How often do you actually think that happens
strong forum
On average you hit SS like every 3 globals
waxen orbit
Quite a bit actually lmfao
strong forum
Like come on dude
strong forum
With all the insane rage influx next season
I VERY MUCH doubt you won't be able to press anything
chrome falcon
In raids? I'm 37th all star points if that counts
strong forum
For 2 globals
chrome falcon
And remember that you know when this proc is coming
So like
Ok? So we're both good?
dawn canyon
With all the insane rage influx next season
Execute stonks
chrome falcon
You're just looking for reasons for this thing to be bad
chrome falcon
Exactly
You're gonna be getting 4 rage per second for basically the whole fight
Like I said, you know the proc is coming, so if you leave yourself in a position where you're forced to use it on TC, you just fucked up
strong forum
I'd be seriously surprised if you can manage it regularly that the outburst is up and you're unable to press any other buttons other than TC
If so, a perfect moment to charge weave
👍
waxen orbit
Fair. We'll see
chrome falcon
This is all assuming Avatar doesn't burn all your stacks
If it does then yes still dogshit set
strong forum
2 different buffs
mighty valley
that's the second change
chrome falcon
We hope
strong forum
No it's literally in the tooltip
It's now "seeing red stacks"
And "outburst"
Meaning you can have both at the same time
chrome falcon
Yeah, we hope
I'm pretty sure you're right
But it definitely wouldn't be the dumbest thing they've ever done for outburst to yeet your regular stacks
strong forum
That'd be a serious fuck up and useless change
Cuz that's 100% the whole point
Of the change of 4p
chrome falcon
Yeah agreed
cobalt garden
Looks really solid for both M+ and Raid. Well done Devs!
strong forum
Well it's the least interesting set of all the tanks
But atleast it looks functional
chrome falcon
I dunno the monk one is on about the same level
strong forum
Uhm
chrome falcon
At least we get to think about ours a bit
strong forum
Think about monk
blazing condor
Lets go baybee
chrome falcon
Push keg smash get a zillion stats
strong forum
And aoe
blazing condor
Ptr coming in clutch
teal swift
Prot warrior practices the ancient dao technique of just pressing buttons
chrome falcon
Sure but it's not remotely interesting
You just push your best button that you press all the time anyway but now you get free stats
blazing condor
If blizz ever makes me think about what buttons to press i’m rioting
strong forum
And boatloads of dmg ontop of being borderline immortal in aoe
chrome falcon
^
strong forum
Like
cobalt garden
Do you find it more satisfying to press the button 1 on your keyboard or 2? Which should feel better? Like what the hell are you talking about.
waxen orbit
Brewmaster going to be BIS tank next patch for M+ and I'm standing on that
strong forum
Monks will get dumbfuck broken
teal swift
If blizz ever makes me think about what buttons to press i’m rioting
Play bdk, as long as you never cap on resources
strong forum
If they don't nerf that set
teal swift
You parse well
strong forum
Every kegsmash will top you, every kegsmash will make your HP catapult
chrome falcon
Yeah I don't disagree that theirs is absurdly broken but it's also zzz as hell
They don't get a cool debuff either so
Gonna call it another W for us
mighty valley
Every kegsmash will top you, every kegsmash will make your HP catapult
getting topped? might play brm now
blazing condor
😳
blazing condor
a W is a W
strong forum
Compared to other tanks sets
mighty valley
also a freebie IP which is. a little something
blazing condor
A pat on the back lol
lofty widget
still awaiting tuning for all sets tho, right?
chrome falcon
Just wait for the 12 minute Jailer fight with the 3 minute execute phase
It's coming
blazing condor
🤢
lofty widget
might make avatar bonus dam 100 % 
chrome falcon
I'm actually looking forward to a 10 minute boss
Because it'll feel short compared to sylv
mighty valley
honestly tank balance was about as good as you can expect this patch and we lagged behind in ST damage, wouldn't get your hopes up for much better than that
mighty valley
but it's fine, if you really really really need to be top damage tank go play it
blazing condor
When bl was back up it was like 1 platform left
chrome falcon
What are you talking about sylv is like 14 minutes
blazing condor
i havent played for months so idk
But you lust pull
Then when lust is back ur at like 3rd platfirm
Then its like a minute or two more max
chrome falcon
I killed it 4 hours ago and it was just as painful as all the other times
Worst boss ever but at least she makes it easy to weave charges 👍
ocean yoke
Do you find it more satisfying to press the button 1 on your keyboard or 2? Whi...
2 gang rise up
strong forum
2gang
low kindle
Mouse wheel up for TC
ocean yoke
1 has ravager when i have it, 2 for shield slam
low kindle
it's perfect for spamming TC back when it pumped lol
and mouse wheel down for shield block 😂
ocean yoke
i was gonna say that screams bfa 8.3 lol
chrome falcon
Ok that's understandable
chrome falcon
Yeah i feel like mouse wheel is best for off gcd stuff that needs to be done quicker than you can press a button but i respect the lazy energy
strong forum
Mousewheel is for camera zoom don't @ me
cobalt garden
It gets really crazy if u get a wheel that freely spins. Then at the start of a dungeon u can let it rip and ur clap is automated for the rest of the key!
strong forum
Pre-loading the 👢 🍵 👏
mighty valley
binding walk forward to mousewheel
cobalt garden
lol who walks in 2022
chrome falcon
HC leap on mouse up
cobalt garden
get the ♿
chrome falcon
Roll wheel forward, jump forward
ocean yoke
dont need it for zooming in when you should already be in first person like a man
cobalt garden
start of dungeon after the countdown: ALT-Z
man mode engaged
dawn canyon
just bind TC to [@booty]
The thunder claps of my fat ass are aggroing all the mobs 😩
waxen orbit
1 - Slam
2 - TC
3 - SB
4 - IP
5 - Demo
6 - Execute
7 - Charge
8 - Ava
9 - Revenge
10 - Leap
11 - Fear
12 - Shockwave
dawn canyon
There's the guild <lost aggro on my wife> on my server
urban portal
damn the warrior changes looking not bad
waxen orbit
Numbered mouse = bis
ocean yoke
Numbered mouse = bis
facts
chrome falcon
I had to play without one for a patch and for 3 or 4 weeks I was a fucking dead weight
cobalt garden
I think we should start a movement where every Warrior macros the following to TC, just to see if we can induce inception for the World First streams:
#showtooltip Thunder Clap
/s Clap in chat
/cast Thunder Clap
I guess there would have to be a Warrior in the race 😦
chrome falcon
It'll happen if we get a long endboss with an actual execute phase
strong forum
There is potential for necro war
Buuuut pally is prolly just gonna demolish
And arms is gonna be really strong
chrome falcon
Yeah, both dps specs look good right?
strong forum
Ye
chrome falcon
Still, I think necro has potential because our execute damage even now is kind of dirty
You can hit 30k on live already
strong forum
Ya but I meant for rwf
Necro is 100% gna be the play in raid
Except on pad fights
chrome falcon
I feel like in rwf a raid buffing execute machine has value but paladin might just be so insanely scaled with ilvl that it doesn't matter
cobalt garden
also sort of depends on monk/dh
chrome falcon
Well yeah for sure
cobalt garden
pretty unlikely a prot warrior makes wfr roster
chrome falcon
Tank choices in top guilds always depend on the balance of monk/dh/arms lol feelsbadman
strong forum
Vdh won't be seen unless it's dmg output is gna be broken
cobalt garden
well, if havoc is complete garbo...
dawn canyon
Dps warriors probably get in unless their prot warrior gets their 4p and none of the dps do
strong forum
Echo will 100% bring a havoc over vdh
dawn canyon
I guess
strong forum
For example
chrome falcon
Havoc has to be COMPLETE trash for vdh to be a thing
urban portal
at least for rwf
cobalt garden
yeah true, or as u say tuning on vdh has to be insane
dawn canyon
Their tierset was only broken in m+?
cobalt garden
yeah hard to see pala getting bumped; utility (esp. immunes) is just too nice as your second tank choice (obv. their damage right now is nutty).
ocean yoke
yeah i think they said itll be changed to some sort of cooldown reduction for fel dev etc instead of 4 minutes godlike immo aura
strong forum
That would be weird but funny
Cuz fel dev itself is shit
Only because of a talent its good
ocean yoke
i dont think theyve shown any specifics for it yet unfortunately
strong forum
So it would be weird design, even if everybody and their mom does and should play demonic
They have shown the 2 choices so far
A few weeks back
The 2nd choice was basically the good one, and its scuffed anger management
ocean yoke
ah rip, i mightve missed that only knew it was cdr of some sort
silent smelt
Hey guys , iam quite new to prot warrior . Is it still viable to play Thunderlord with crackling thunder , unstoppable force and anger management ? ( i play mostly m+)
mellow bridge
Damn those are some nice tier set changes
plush tendon
quality of life fo sure
doesnt feel as crazy as some of the other tank sets, but I think those might be getting the 'nerf' bat to bring them more in line
deft vortex
@silent smelt reprisal is the only legendary you need for all content for prot warrior
deft vortex
plush tendon
silent smelt
<@!457571804391931907> reprisal is the only legendary you need for all content f...
oki ty mate
teal swift
and leaper
True Tru tru
oblique garnet
<@!457571804391931907> reprisal is the only legendary you need for all content f...
Seismic is best if you want to do big dam
deft vortex
true just giving a new prot warrior the safer/easier option