believe u still have to do it in time too, im like 99% positive if he or a pet or something that would LOS (after boss 2 spires example when you jump on side to skip jump down and then skip over top of stairs with X
#protection
sick sentinel
so like what i mean by this is, he'll start running and aggro shit, and if you haven't canceled him before he gets in combat with them.. your stuck in combat
hunters have it easy they can tell pets to FD
blazing condor
if you invis and bron pulls you can cancelaura and it resets
cus you dont break invis
sick sentinel
its still not a good situation when it happens
sick sentinel
lot of problems i find now is that simply something was/was not pulled skewing something about the run or shit wasn't interupted
blazing condor
since you don't have percentage-based affixes this season it's better to overpull something than underpull
sick sentinel
this here i didn't pull the selected guy, and when i went for teal we got him and he merced us, depleted, i screwed us no taunt purple dr ickus slime, tormentor before any ickus trash
blazing condor
That pink pull is tough to begin with
Like just hold W and pull pack for pack and its never gonna be an issue to time a key
You dont need big pulls
sick sentinel
you should have some CD's after 1st boss i'd imagine and theres the bomb to help
blazing condor
Yeah but for bad players
I assume they are since youre doing low keys
Involving a bomb, a frontal, a ground spike and another frontal in one pull
Is recipe for someone dying
Its unecessarily tough for such a low key
sick sentinel
with invis skip or no at the start
blazing condor
No need
Just makes it so that you cant wipe until youve killed 2nd boss
Or you have to invis again
blazing condor
If something works everytime you continue to do it up to the point where it doesnt work anymore
sick sentinel
in the picture above i would pull too small and there wouldn't be enough dps on that section
slow us down and we'd die to dumb crap in past, but generally have had most success with this route overall
tardy urchin
How is prot playing this days? Wondering if im going to switch to prot warr
strong forum
Perfectly good for all content
distant crystal
how bout 2s arena
strong forum
Tanks don't belong in arena
distant crystal
strong forum
PSA: if you like tanks in arena, you're wrong.
distant crystal
I was just being a pedant because you said it's perfectly good for all content
blazing condor
Low elo prot in 2s was kinda fun at the start of the xpac
I did well with it but anyone can be good at 0-1000 rating
sick sentinel
3 tank arena
one is dk or druid for brez
i dunno if u even can do that i don't arena
strong forum
Can't brez
inland raft
Protpal in season 1 was sick but i havnt done pvp since so idk the current state
Outheal healers and out damage the damage classes 
safe thistle
@sick sentinel you seems to go too complicated on your path in keys for no reason thats why it seems to fail
no need to invis pot in low keys
no need to big pull
just go steady no death
robust rover
@sick sentinel do you ever queue as dps? Sometimes when I struggled with a dungeon, I found just going as dps helped show me pulls differently.
sick sentinel
used to in bfa wasnt as fond in sl weapons kinda low
fiery badge
I played vs Necrolord Prot warr/ Ret in 2s on my hunter and it was obnoxious
Warrior was playing the mass shield wall leggo
fiery badge
prot pally got nerfed really hard
Bro they nerfed it like 6 times and I still see them everywhere
teal swift
PSA: if you like tanks in arena, you're wrong.
Tbf prot warrior had actual comps at one point
Fucking African turtle cleave
raven sluice
What trinkets should I be looking for in m+?
sick sentinel
out of m+ scale, afe, decanter, hook are my main reccomends phial from dps loot for dps tanking rest not really worth
but raid trinkets if you have them in m+
raven sluice
Afe?
raven sluice
Ok thx.
fiery badge
I use scale + titanic ocular gland
dawn canyon
Is aegis scale a thing?
mellow bridge
for us not really
blazing condor
It is a thing but double on use is kind of ass to play with
And even at higher keys its kind of unecessary
blazing condor
^ that
If you know how to tank and how to play your class then u can do p much any content
teal swift
Or, just listen here, unequip both trinket slots and still do 20s
distant crystal
that doesn't seem like a good plan
although now that you mention it, i scuffed a motherlode 15 once by 20 seconds, and i had no trinkets equipped, cause i had taken them off to get a screenshot of all my trinkets to show in this channel
probably cost me the key tbh
sick sentinel
i had a really low freehold run when i started doing keys like a +4 and we timed it with actual .00 remaining
blazing condor
Skill >>>>> gear
teal swift
probably cost me the key tbh
Your skill cost the key
It was a 15.
You can 4 man 15s in time pretty easy
Your trinkets arent worth as much as a 5th person
It's just copium to make excuses like that
distant crystal
You really like smelling your own farts huh
distant crystal
There's a million variables about why a key gets timed
sick sentinel
you get paid or you get a gun in front of your head you'll do anything
even things you think youd never do
distant crystal
but yes, it's actually just the tank's skill and nothing else, always 
sick sentinel
whats that line from castle nathria? "you cannot bargain with death"
distant crystal
get gud, you can 3man it with everyone naked
blazing condor
I mean you can only control yourself
Obviously a key can get depleted if you got other shit people
With that said
Your skill will be the deciding factor if it was all up to you
distant crystal
a BFA prot warrior going from no trinkets to 2 trinkets
might just make the key faster
🤔
sweet summit
just a bit 🙂
sick sentinel
honestly, some times no words spoken zerg fest is the best way to get a key done
you just go in and do it
blazing condor
distant crystal
yogi yellow name when
blazing condor
Overdue tbf
blazing condor
Theyre exceptions
jagged pier
distant crystal
You need a max level catgirl in FFXIV
sweet summit
bunny>cat
jagged pier
☝️
blazing condor
My animal > your animal
urban portal
weapon doesnt count in your damage anymore
also this damage is like
absurdly low
for nw
blazing condor
I havent ran any NW since they split kyrian weaponry into its own details thing but i’m gonna go out on a limb and say 6k isnt that great
urban portal
not just yours
blazing condor
You pull big in NW and its a fast dungeon
blazing condor
Yeah p much
jagged pier
i dont even know what damage is good anymore KEKW
@oblique garnet probably out doing 15k or some shit
oblique garnet
<@!143839248422928384> probably out doing 15k or some shit
Stopped going for it after 12.5k
jagged pier
blazing condor
I did a seismic run with like 11k or something on NW many months ago
oblique garnet
Was mists
blazing condor
mists 
jagged pier
and spiteful
oblique garnet
and spiteful
And
jagged pier
And
jagged pier
KEKW
urban portal
its defintely a pull size issue
edgy cradle
not sure what tanks u play with
ofc i dont want to be praised or wtv, was just checking in
blazing condor
Like 105 said dps was low all around in that key
Many factors that can impact your overall as well
If the dps is low overall the dg is gonna be slower and combat gonna take longer = lower overall dps for you
edgy cradle
it makes sense
blazing condor
But there’s probably ways you can optimize the route and pulls to make up for it and have better overall
jagged pier
this is great damage
urban portal
whats this weeks affix anyways
jagged pier
but u should be at like 7-9k depending on dungeon
jagged pier
But dps overall kinda mid
blazing condor
10k is what i expect from my dps overall when i run higher keys
And usually people hover around 10k
edgy cradle
but waht i lvl u are?
blazing condor
But i wouldnt complain about 10k all around tbh
edgy cradle
and trinket u see
urban portal
its the route
blazing condor
could be many things
But a good route always helps
Big pull with cds > smaller pull > big pull
blazing condor
Play around your dps’ cooldowns
urban portal
especially with desto
blazing condor
Try and log a run Rte
blazing condor
We can see if there’s something else you can do
Maybe if youre wasting rage or not using enough abilities
That affects dps too
urban portal
but do keep in mind that you would rather use the rage to ip than to not use it atall
jagged pier
blazing condor
TOP is pretty nice on the routing cus its a very linear dungeon
not much variation to be had in the routes
edgy cradle
im not as stream
teal swift
There's a million variables about why a key gets timed
And only one of them really matters.
Player skill
Miss me with the obnoxious attitude. It's not personal, nor does your ego matter.
oblique garnet
teal swift
@oblique garnet happy new year Late :33
oblique garnet
U2
teal swift
TOP has 1 nice pull everything else is kinda pack to pack
coral quartz
I know someone made that helpful spell reflection spreadsheet, but has anyone essentially made weakauras for them by any chance?
teal swift
unless you do tormentor with like soulfucker
sweet summit
I know someone made that helpful spell reflection spreadsheet, but has anyone es...
teal swift
MORNING ERGACHAN :3
blazing condor
the nerve of some people for not complimenting my tank dps in a dg smh my head
teal swift
@blazing condor morning
blazing condor
👋 
modern brook
the nerve of some people for not complimenting my tank dps in a dg smh my head
Weak people tbh
edgy cradle
the nerve of some people for not complimenting my tank dps in a dg smh my head
they should!!
xD
regal glen
blazing condor
Amen
@edgy cradle i wanted to check how NW is nowdays and did a very scuffed 15 now. This is what i managed to do but i was also using Seismic as legendary
blazing condor
wasn't my key
i just joined
either way it's a 15 so it doesnt matter at all
we still +2d it after many weird things happening throughout the key
sick sentinel
i did 12 pf nothing worth noting besides stunned all the adds cast pre boss 3 first guy solo
dawn canyon
pf is chill
dawn canyon
welll i like pf until i get grabbed by then tentacle and plagueborer'd as dps
oh and that one pack is shit without mass stuns
sick sentinel
if you just stand way to the right after the tormentor as a group you can dps the tentacle and not aggro those
and then what i do if i do get them is i just charge into CC, and leap out while they are on the island
edgy cradle
<@!924399832108511275> i wanted to check how NW is nowdays and did a very scuffe...
i seeee
sick sentinel
you have an addon to tell you all those?
sick sentinel
you have an addon to tell you all those?
its just raiderio
oh you mean the affixes
jagged pier
<@!924399832108511275> i wanted to check how NW is nowdays and did a very scuffe...
@edgy cradle was a 16 but close enough
blazing condor
Not fair where’s your 6k overall warlock
blazing condor
jagged pier
not pulling big enough
blazing condor
Chad tank damage
jagged pier
i have alot of gear
like 31% crit and 17% haste but i have OWS and the mik boost for haste
so cancels out the lack of haste
blazing condor
Im still torn on what to run for seismic i have a build where i can have like 30 crit and 20 haste
urban portal
W8
blazing condor
But that was with gland
urban portal
I just saw he had 2k kyrian weapon damage
Wtf
How is that possible
Like the original post
blazing condor
Hmmm
urban portal
Dam mastery kinda cringe
urban portal
Good for bad players like me
jagged pier
means no big pulls
blazing condor
i need to up my dps but idk how
urban portal
Fking up shield blocks
jagged pier
or not using them correctly
jagged pier
<:detective:912341312907378689> i need to up my dps but idk how
press buttons
blazing condor
@jagged pier What route were you running ish
jagged pier
jagged pier
blazing condor
jagged pier
blazing condor
i mean we do p much the same shit
jagged pier
i will also do that if the pat is close enough but it wasnt that run
jagged pier
well u kind of always need to have 3 targets
blazing condor
yea
i know ive asked this before but how does log damage in m+ translate into details damage
cus i remember i had a 10-11k NW that is 6,7k on logs
jagged pier
details only contributes in combat where logs take in the whole time
blazing condor
alright thanks
blazing condor
Ive already fucked up. 2023 gonna be my year i just know it
jagged pier
tame jasper
@jagged pier at which keylvl you runs these routes?
jagged pier
what ever key im in
blazing condor
Same
The lower the key the less need for big pulls tbh
So for big keys you run big routes
spiral crest
Hey there, got a stupid question about the tanking of the protection warrior, for doing keys 25+, The uptime of Shield block must be at how much % ? And the ignore pain ?
blazing condor
Shield block as high as possible. At least 80% with reprisal and you can get 95+ with reprisal + HR if you run that. IP has no real goals to aim for it’s more what you prefer. I personally like having it up as much as possible when i push higher keys but i would never prio it over shield block
mellow bridge
Hey there, got a stupid question about the tanking of the protection warrior, fo...
you want to look at logs to figure out your blocked hit %
block uptime in itself is kinda meaningless as it can mean you waste uptime while mobs are CCd and then you drop it afterwards e.g.
sick sentinel
Green goop under final boss pf also has some mechanic as well doesn't it
I swear I've depleted to that in the past
mellow bridge
you get a very nasty debuff if you stand too long in it
sweet summit
also tentacle always hits you if you stand in it while they slam
blazing condor
Green goop under final boss pf also has some mechanic as well doesn't it
big DOT that increases if you stand too long in it
sick sentinel
We didn't fuck up to that just have prior, one thing I know we fucked up on was fatty group before tormentor 2 pf someone said something got pulled but all that I saw was the slimes were allowed to grow and we wiped to em
lime urchin
necrolords can drink from that puddle
mellow bridge
no?
blazing condor
not from the boss-puddle
sick sentinel
Healer asked why it got pulled could have been side adds but didn't look like it
mellow bridge
We didn't fuck up to that just have prior, one thing I know we fucked up on was ...
yea gotta soak the larvae that spawn when you kill one of the fatties
you can just stun them too to interrupt their cast
blazing condor
pop SR and run on them or stun their cast
mellow bridge
it's physical dmg, dont think SR does anything
sick sentinel
Yep normally doing cow stomp and attempt to do Shockwave
mellow bridge
ah cool
sick sentinel
Birds spires trick?
blazing condor
you cant line them up in that sense
since you cancel them by running on them and not by taking their casts
sick sentinel
Stack aoe stun, reflect tell group not to interupt
blazing condor
nop
once they're stunned they will no longer evolve or cast
so either stun them or pop them
sick sentinel
I was under impression they just did it forever or multiple times probably on cast cd
sick sentinel
I just knew they were adds and if we attack them fast enough we don't get bigger adds
So, just keep attacking stun
blazing condor
you dont attack them
you walk on them (they die you take damage)
or you stun them
its kind of an unique interaction in that sense because you dont kill them by damage you kill them by just walking on them
sick sentinel
I used to think pf was worst but it's not even close to worst now
Still dislike everything about it
Creepy place
sick sentinel
I did the paladin epic mount quest in original vanilla wow had to go to scholo, had my skelly fill
blazing condor
Gm gm
sweet summit
gm
blazing condor
Gn jakey
jagged pier
humble tendon
Nn
sour ravine
hey all, is there any info about Elysian Might vs. Seismic Reverberation?
blazing condor
hey all, is there any info about Elysian Might vs. Seismic Reverberation?
Info regarding what? Most dps?
sour ravine
Info regarding what? Most dps?
basically yeah
does it change with gear etc.
lol obviously, but in general? ><
blazing condor
I havent crunched numbers myself but i’d imagine that in situations where you can consistently can keep 3 and more mobs up (aka dungeons), seismic has the most damage
this also shows on logs where top dmg logs for m+ are with seismic
sour ravine
tyvm!
blazing condor
Comparatively EM is gonna be better for ST or situations you cant have 3 or more mobs up
sour ravine
makes sense
strong forum
Technically reprisal is more dmg in ST
But you need to play really well
EM is easier to play with, and if timings in raid line up on bosses like soulrender or fatescribe, EM ofc is much better cuz of add padding
tropic linden
hey
i have this macro for intervene
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [@mouseover,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
Does it not work on party frame?
ionic fern
Does it not work on party frame?
Should work.
ionic fern
Where would I find talents?
Any of the guides linked in FAQ Prot section.
tropic linden
Should work.
it does not 😦
distant crystal
umm
will that ever charge?
the ;Intervene seems like it would try to fire before it reads the charge line
but how exactly is it not working for you, only when trying to mouseover party frames?
distant crystal
/cast [@mouseover,help,nodead][]Intervene
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][]Charge
see if it behaves any diff with that
but party frames should work
safe thistle
@sour ravine well if you dont have much crit i dont think EM is worth it though since its increased crit dmg not crit chance.
analog radish
So I should be using Celestial Guidance on weapon? All the guides seem to say Lightless Force but all the warriors doing high keys are using CG
waxen orbit
Celestial Guidance is infinitely better in nearly every situation because it's more reliable
And it's a raw prim stat increase
distant crystal
none of em matter a ton but LF should do more aoe dam in most cases
waxen orbit
If it procs (spoiler: it doesn't)
distant crystal
i mean they both proc
waxen orbit
CG procs for me at 70% uptime in combat overall for keys
analog radish
sometimes LF procs off a heroic throw and yeets itself
distant crystal
does LF pull
if it ever procs weirdly and pulls something it's p troll but idk that i've seen that
quiet crane
Just run CG
I’m telling you right now
Lightless is only slight more dam in certain cases and only buffs that CG also buffs you slightly defensively aswell and it’s far more reliable
analog radish
yeah I already switched over, thanks. will give CG a shot
sweet summit
brittle owl
shut up weebs
blazing condor
I remember our gm asked us all to re-enchant to Deadly Nav for m sludge
Cus we didnt have the damage to kill him
sweet summit
that's a bfa enchant ?
brittle owl
deadly nav
sweet summit
highkey miss force multiplier
brittle owl
i mean
gm asking for everyone to swap to a specific enchant is just as autistic
origin of enchant doesnt really matter
blazing condor
We were desperate i guess
Sludge was my fav boss for sure but it was tilting
Perfect pull like 7 months after the raid release and we still didnt have the damage
sweet summit
:bed
blazing condor
😠
teal swift
Zzzz
blazing condor
💤
brittle owl
why is your pp sleeping
jagged pier
because its the best
brittle owl
the best around?
jagged pier
oblique garnet
jagged pier
go back to trolling guardian chat mael
blazing condor
U know what would be a good troll lol? Carrying me through 10/10m haha thatd be really funny lol
sweet summit
oblique garnet
U know what would be a good troll lol? Carrying me through 10/10m haha thatd be ...
Do you have gold because that can be arranged
blazing condor
I have a heart of gold 
brittle owl
sounds kinda slutty ngl
inland raft
Can i get a carry on my 200 alt that im too lazy to gear properly, my guild seems to think thats too low to come along, stingy people
jagged pier
no
blazing condor
can i get a boneless pasta
mellow bridge
sorry no, we're out of 🅱️oneless pasta
blazing condor
brittle owl
chat
jagged pier
game
brittle owl
jagged pier
quick jay
Guys just out of curiosity, what kind of uptime should I expect on my shield block and ignore pain?
in m+*
distant crystal
uptime numbers are pretty meaningless
if you have logs of your runs, check the % of melees that were blocked
i think 80-90% is killing it
lofty widget
80-90 with AM, 95+ with HR
quick jay
but there should be a certain point where i just dont have ignore pain or shield block up enough right?
just trying to understand if this is low or not :p
distant crystal
for ignore pain, no, not really, there's no uptime to shoot for at all
for shield block, uptime is just a weird/flawed proxy for how many melees went unblocked, but it varies wildly depending on the dungeon/pull pattern
that being said, 23% uptime is probably on the low end, you can verify that by checking blocked %
quick jay
Okay thanks for the help^^
jagged pier
looking details is pointless
the only way to tell is by logging
but what i can tell u 23% over a m+ is bad
sweet summit
can i get a uhhh
wanton citrus
Can I have some cookies?
cinder pasture
See if you can find my dad over there. It's been a while since he went, I think he got lost
blazing condor
See if you can find my dad over there. It's been a while since he went, I think ...
he already at my place
jagged pier
going to the store yall want anything?
Rum ham
blazing condor
idk how a brit can make an "its always sunny" reference when it's never sunny in britain
distant crystal
it's never sunny in philadelphia eithehr
or maybe it's a reference to the show being shot in L.A. but set in Philly so it's always sunny for some reason 🤔
true violet
hi fellow warriors, I'm just missing the last mage tower scenario for Book mount, I'm setting up the gear for my prot warrior, actually I have access to some past expansion gear and I'm lookin for advices
true violet
I got BfA leggo neck/BfA leggo cloak/Draenor Leggo Ring and Legion leggo ring with socket, do they scale better or I should go for socket standard gear?
true violet
and that pod from EN
will do
distant crystal
the leggos don't do anything but if they have good stats + holes
they're prob solid to wear
and the bfa neck/cape are overbudget for stats so they're p solid
true violet
plus I have access to Tenbuu sword with fire dmg on hit but with no stats at all
or Thunderfury but it is lvl 35
distant crystal
not sure about tenbuu but i think thunderfury would suck
true violet
thanks a lot
jagged pier
idk how a brit can make an "its always sunny" reference when it's never sunny in...
Dude ive been watching that show since season 5 came out i grew up with it 😂
jagged pier
hi fellow warriors, I'm just missing the last mage tower scenario for Book mount...
U literally need nothing the prot warrior tower is undertuned
Its ez in SL gear
mighty pelican
what ilvl did you have when you did magetower?
jagged pier
50
distant crystal
if you have a druid you might consider doing it as bear tho, it's a lil harder but you'd get credit for mount + werebear in one go
jagged pier
Its still fat harder even with the nerfs it goes tomorrow do it on ither vdh or warrior for an ez challenge
blazing condor
yeah vdh and warr are safe bets
sweet summit
gm
teal swift
How are you today
true violet
crusader on weapon is worth?
sweet summit
it's good healing and a decent damage increase i guess
sick sentinel
but what i can tell u 23% over a m+ is bad
this im one of the worser players in here but 23% is abysmal
the floor should be 50% + bare minimum
teal swift
monkaS
distant crystal
chilly brook
crusader on weapon is worth?
You're not dying to damage taken in mage tower for warrior
You die to getting knocked off
true violet
trink full dmg? like Phial+EN first boss one?
lime urchin
Grab full damage trinkets, yes. The heirloom one is pretty powerful but I can’t remember the name. Something with a kill demons and become stronk buff.
But what mr Jakey said, it’s not very hard for prot warriors, just do pew pew, don’t get knocked of and use spell reflect on mr Kruul
true violet
But what mr Jakey said, it’s not very hard for prot warriors, just do pew pew, d...
I like it
expecially the pew pew part
mighty valley
Phial is surprisingly bad in mage tower
distant crystal
Are you named after Richard
blazing condor
Naowh and some dudes timed a 25 NW with 5 tanks
meaning the 20 5pwarr key is already free
tame jasper
iam in ^^
ionic fern
We did a 17 DoS with grevious and we did a ton of messing around/dying/laughing and still timed it as 5 prots..was pretty easy.
So 20 is 100% doable as prots.
jagged pier
☝️
blazing condor
yeah i have no doubt
tame jasper
at all mates here who tank silvie mythic: the wall or reprisal?
i stay at the wall atm, but iam not sure
to maybe block more hits with reprisal
jagged pier
its really what job u have in p3
tame jasper
we are in p1, close to intermission atm 😄
jagged pier
well decide what job your donig in p3 and get used to using that leggo
tame jasper
what do you suggest? We play Warrior and Guardiandruid
jagged pier
🤷
chilly brook
at all mates here who tank silvie mythic: the wall or reprisal?
I'd honestly just say go wall
You're not dying to her regular white hits
It's all dot/burst magic damage that is actually dangerous
hidden bluff
Tab target or click?
tame jasper
yep especially the double-banshis ticks quite hard for aalmost 17k shadow
chilly brook
Tab target or click?
Tab works 95% of the time for me, if I need to taunt something quick or hit an interrupt i click the nameplate to target it
One more reason to bind
You can't quickly click the target and then click the ability
jagged pier
second boss of mists i click
cause tab target sometimes gives to an add on the other side of the area
balmy narwhal
Hey guys, sorry to bother you here, but I can't seem to remember the application or the website that we could use to assign position for raid (let's say for sylvanas we wanna have pre assigned positions for melee). Do you guys know by anychance what the website or app was?
looked like this
I got it. it was raidplan.io
hidden bluff
@chilly brook I already bind. Posted on general@my binding dilemma
chilly brook
Long story short
Use binds that make sense and are comfortable for you
That's better than taking anyone's specific keybind setup or recommendation
mellow bridge
what do you suggest? We play Warrior and Guardiandruid
we had the same comp until our guardian quit in my guild
he did all the pool collecting, I was the boss tank
did it with reprisal and AM, worked well
hidden bluff
@chilly brook oh I get that I just. Getting idea for what people bind when they use keyboard binds with mmo mouse
chilly brook
Taunt, interrupt, snare, cleanse/trinket, execute, trinket/racial, pot, 3x extra attack binds, and most defensives on scroll wheel click (click, shift click, left click, right click)
Yes your scroll wheel can be 4 binds without even counting the scroll portion depending on your mouse
chilly brook
pressing mouse3 without spinning the wheel
Not that hard, you must have a sensitive wheel lol
jagged pier
doesnt matter if i spin the wheel im at max cam distance anyways
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and i honestly dont understand ppl that dont
u cant see anything
distant crystal
i use shift + wheel for camera control
regular wheel spin is interact with mouseover
dawn canyon
i use shift + wheel for camera control
That is actually a good idea
I like zooming in for questing n shit so ill gain a bind
Neato
distant crystal
yeah i rarely use it but didn't want to unbind it completely
mighty valley
never had anything bound to scroll wheel, don't know if I could get used to it now
but I'm not really hard up for keybinds now anyway
distant crystal
I kinda like it for important mouseover binds like kick/stormbolt and such
spinning the wheel is pretty low impact, not likely to move your mouse with it, might try that out
mighty valley
interrupts on C for all characters because my vanilla main was a mage and C is for Counterspell
dawn canyon
never had anything bound to scroll wheel, don't know if I could get used to it n...
I now have a mouse with Buttons and hardly use them lol
So im guessing same for scrollwheel
Mousewheel*
analog radish
What easy to get trinkets are good for Mythic+, preferably passive ones? Currently using a 230 Alchemy trinket and a Blood-Spattered Scale which I pumped all my Valor into upgrading.
dawn canyon
OWS is good in higher stuff
modern brook
what defines a trinket as being easy to get to you
analog radish
Dungeon
dawn canyon
Matrix also in raid though
modern brook
isnt that aegis
dawn canyon
Which they dont want
dawn canyon
Def Matrix was from Guardian, no?
dawn canyon
Aegis is from the nine
analog radish
The matrix is from the raid. the one from dungeon is the codex of the first technique, i think
analog radish
yeah i noticed that, thanks.
analog radish
i'll just pump up a phial
modern brook
Ticking sack of terror also really good
dawn canyon
Phial does damage
distant crystal
i'll tick ur sack
analog radish
yeah i have a 226 decanter
modern brook
trinkets are tough because they're constnatly being compared to phial aegis
truth is your trinmkets will not make or break you
but our good tinkets are good
blazing condor
if you dont wanna do top parses or top keys your trinkets won't really matter that much
as in it shouldn't make or break anything
waxen orbit
I'm so tired of this dogshit spec in M+ :T
Like playing on the knife's edge in anything above a 24
Meanwhile literally every other tank just hur dur no problem
dawn canyon
BDK always made me feel like i was going to have a panic attack
Regardless of key level
waxen orbit
I mean BDK is just watch your RP
Obvi not just that but so long as you're tracking RP and CDs you're good
Meanwhile prot warr just dying through Shield Wall + Aegis on fort +25 trash
feelsgoodman
One missed kick on Shadowcore and it's lights out
dawn canyon
Magical damage on fort always is sad to see
waxen orbit
Literally every other tank can handle 2-3 fuckups in that regard
Prot warr?
Prepare to fucking rot
Have your group performing at 95% or die
Love to see it
chilly brook
Like playing on the knife's edge in anything above a 24
Lmao k
Clearly on the knife's edge
chilly brook
It's a 26 chief
chilly brook
"M+" "anything above a 24"
Doesnt look like DoS to me
Also no tank eats fortified +24 shadowcores
waxen orbit
I mentioned Shadowcore immediately thereafter :T
chilly brook
And has no problems
chilly brook
Go play a bear then lol
blazing condor
I mean if you're doing that high of keys where shadowcore is a problem then your group should be good enough that it isn't a problem
chilly brook
Definitely seen plenty die to shadowcore
blazing condor
maybe wishful thinking but still
chilly brook
I ran with a bear
blazing condor
its not that tough to coordinate CDs for shadowcore and there's only 2 deathspeakers in the key
waxen orbit
its not that tough to coordinate CDs for shadowcore and there's only 2 deathspea...
It is with numbnut pugs
My point is prot warr has no failsafe for that shit when half the other tanks do
And it's high key infuriating
chilly brook
The only failsafe is a cheat death?
Everything else is some sort of a CD
And uhhh Spell Reflect
You should technically be able to handle every shadowcore
blazing condor
Idk man i dont play any other tank specs but i just feel like its not that tough really
chilly brook
You can handle for sure 3 by yourself
blazing condor
With that said its very easy to be bad as a pwarr
waxen orbit
With everything else damaging you in that pull dude
Fuck no
Lmfao
25 DOS you cannot handle 3 shadowcores
Literally nothing you can do there
blazing condor
1st SR > Interrupt > Stun
blazing condor
You have shield wall and aegis most probably if you play correctly on thah pull
So you can stand there
chilly brook
So you'd at most need 1 extra interrupt
waxen orbit
No damage from one kekw
ionic fern
Quality arguments.
ionic fern
Who cares if you can survive 3?
You have a team.
If you don't like protection warrior don't play it.
blazing condor
You shouldnt ever be getting 3 on you anyway lol
chilly brook
blazing condor
If you mean casts that actually land
ionic fern
Just throwing doom&gloom because bears have it easier is not going to solve anything.
blazing condor
sturdy sable
And who the fuck wants that
waxen orbit
Again I just told you how you can negate up to 3 casts in a row
You can negate it
You still die
It's a 25 fort
Lol
ionic fern
What is the point of this discussion?
Is anyone planning to solo DoS on a +25?
Or what's going on.
sturdy sable
I think hes trying to prove to people that already know that bears a Tankier tank
Been that way since legion bruv
chilly brook
It's a 25 fort
God I wonder how he did this key if he still dies
waxen orbit
I'm venting because this spec is in a dookie position
ionic fern
I'm venting because this spec is in a dookie position
It's really not tho?
chilly brook
No you didn't lol
ionic fern
We're in a pretty solid place.
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If your only argument is "BUT BEARS CAN DO X AND Y" then that's not really a argument now is it.
chilly brook
Where does it say uninterrupted?
sturdy sable
I am getting tired of how shit last stand is though
sturdy sable
Or all of them if they hit you at the same time
modern brook
@waxen orbit you forgot about the major benefit of warrior though
chilly brook
Ye but one cast of shadowcore specifically
Also I doubt shadowcore is going to kill you through wall
waxen orbit
It can and it has
modern brook
Let just people play what they want if warrior isnt for them then thats fine
hard disagree
chilly brook
Let just people play what they want if warrior isnt for them then thats fine
I'm cool with that
modern brook
we need every shitter to play our spec so we get more buffs we dont deserve
chilly brook
I'm just not cool with a stupid argument
sturdy sable
we need every shitter to play our spec so we get more buffs we dont deserve
This
chilly brook
What's the damage value on a 24 shadowcore?
modern brook
i wont rest until shield block also reflects melee damage taken 
sturdy sable
Lemme use a 2hander and a Shield
modern brook
1 hander + 2handed shield tbh
sturdy sable
Watch all the prot pallies main 2 handed shields
modern brook
remove parrying from the game imo
if my opener gets gimmicked by sylv one more time im going to game end someone
blazing condor
Feelin like shit might just /camp
chilly brook
@modern brook is fortified damage calculated before or after key scaling? Its before right?
chilly brook
I.e. it should be 30% base mythic damage extra and then whatever the key modifier is?
modern brook
its multiplicative
blazing condor
:study
distant crystal
x * y = y * x
chilly brook
Idk I'm bad at math
distant crystal
blazing condor
With percenages its different no?
modern brook
yeah its like 1.3x(1+key modifier)x100 = percent increase
blazing condor
Like if base is 100 and key level ads 10 then fort scales off of 100 or 110
Idk im also bad at maths lol
modern brook
hang on
blazing condor
Big bren
distant crystal
if you're mixing additive and multiplicative then it matters
modern brook
distant crystal
so for dmg, it's 30% for fortified, and +172% for a 15 key
distant crystal
so it'd be 1.3 * 2.72 * original dmg
blazing condor
u lost me
chilly brook
Anyways point being is that one uninterrupted shadowcore assuming the wowhead tooltip of the mythic damage is correct should not one shot you through wall
Even in a 24 fort
sturdy sable
Lmao
distant crystal
what's the base dmg from wowhead
waxen orbit
25 fort, plus you got a 7 pack wailing on you
mighty valley
god i hate when i jack up the difficulty level on a cooperative game really high and then play with random complete strangers who aren't very good
i also hate it when i put my dick in a blender. why are blenders so bad
chilly brook
what's the base dmg from wowhead
8244
blazing condor
What happened to the christmas spirit
chilly brook
In mythic 0
sturdy sable
They bout to end this whole mans career
chilly brook
25 fort, plus you got a 7 pack wailing on you
You'd need to be pretty low
distant crystal
erm, that should be 29150 dmg in a 15 fortified
chilly brook
Already
distant crystal
or did i fuck it up
but the chart i'm looking at stops at 15 lol
idk what the % is for 24
but it sounds like that's a 1shot
chilly brook
15 is only 172%?
waxen orbit
You'd need to be pretty low
When it's a 25 DOS, that tends to happen yeah
chilly brook
unless that's old data
Goes up in 20% increments should be accurate
distant crystal
34916
chilly brook
Ye you right 40%
blazing condor
Or 0 with SR 😎
chilly brook
It's still only 1/3 of the hp pool roughly
Ideally you don't take the hit to begin with
But saying we don't have failsafes but every other tank does is not the way
waxen orbit
Right but I'm talking about a 25 and I'm checking the details death right now and it says 54.1k
distant crystal
why check a log when Mwahi can do it for ya to check your math
waxen orbit
Preceded by 7 melees and two scribe casts, the latter of which hit for 5.7k each, and the melees hitting from 2.1k to 3.5k
blazing condor
Maybe the real problem is not having people who press interrupting buttons
sturdy sable
See now if you had casted this spell called spell reflect im sure it would have made those numbers smaller
chilly brook
But did you reflect?
ionic fern
Bear is better at soaking solo Shadowcores?
sturdy sable
Wouldnt a dk be better at it?
chilly brook
And your interrupt wasn't available?
waxen orbit
Second was a SW + aegis
No my kick was not available
I kicked the haste buff that same add casts
waxen orbit
It buffs the entire pack with 50% haste
blazing condor
Happens to the best of us
sturdy sable
One of them scribes prolly
waxen orbit
That's a death sentence on a 25 fort
ionic fern
Okay?
Casts that are going through and hit hard are death sentences..
That's kinda common sense.
waxen orbit
Right, but when I had a prot paladin do that same pull earlier this week and survive both those casts going through
It smells like raw eggs
waxen orbit
He wasn't running Spellward
waxen orbit
1st Avenger?
dawn canyon
+15% Block and can Block magic
dawn canyon
1st Avenger?
That's second row
blazing condor
Just feels like the focus is completely off to begin with here. Why does it matter if one tank spec can handle something that shouldnt go off better than another class anyway
ionic fern
I mean..all tanks are in a really solid spot right now.
You can't expect Blizzard to balance tanks according to the top 0.5% of their playerbase doing content that the majority will never reach.
Is Prot Warrior worse than other tanks in some specific areas? Sure.
Is Prot Warrior better than other tanks in some other areas? Also sure.
chilly brook
dawn canyon
+15% Block and can Block magic
Holy shield
ionic fern
Claiming that "oh no i died to something that is interruptable so the class is bad" is just..dumb.
Either go on Discord and call for interrupts or play a class that you believe can survive this one specific scenario better.
blazing condor
im outie
chilly brook
Uninterrupted shadowcores are bad news
But at the end of the day you didn't do all you could do individually to get a different outcome
If you have to pick between shadowcore and embrace you always pick shadowcore
lofty widget
your mage should get angery when you kick embrace
chilly brook
^
sick sentinel
thwump, install logger head addon and learn how to turn on logging, then use wow logs and you can upload for others to see, and for yourself
how many times you cast shield slam and if you how much rage you overcapped, or blocked attack vs not
mighty valley
pugging 25s still just seems like asking for misery to me
vocal geode
as long as you are on voice it should be fine
at that point you probably need interrupt coordination
mellow patio
Hello
mighty valley
Hi
raven sluice
Recently started playing more prot warr and it feels pretty squishy compared to my other tanks. Running reprisal leggo. Sometimes it just feels like I crumble compared to my bdk and bear. Any tips, guides or videos to help a tank new to prot warr to maximize stability and dps in m+?
waxen orbit
What key level
raven sluice
Just 15 to 20 at 249 ilvl
vocal geode
hard to say without seeing a log of a key, but prot is all about preventing damage
so you need to make sure you are using your defensives for what they are worth
like intervening and using charge for reprisal procs, actually pressing shield block, ignore pain, etc
sick sentinel
Raid testing tomorrow
stable cradle
Thursday no?
sick sentinel
Cuz I know thus channel gets hard on for ptr raid test some reason
6 -7th I think I saw
stable cradle
Not tomorrow
sick sentinel
Whatever fuck that means 2 days
sick sentinel
cinder nova
Just 15 to 20 at 249 ilvl
If you aren't pugging then your healer is either dragging their feet pretty severely or you're playing wrong. We wont know which until you log.
cinder nova
Although the feeling of increased vulnerability on a warrior is probably in large part to you not having massive self-heals at hand since both Bear and BDK have lots of self-heal that can help pad them out when healers are trolling.
sick sentinel
I'm going to catch flak but Impending victory, don't run it.
mighty valley
who is going to give you flak for that
sick sentinel
Cuz indominatible is far superior so it would be giving bad advice intentionally
raven sluice
Although the feeling of increased vulnerability on a warrior is probably in larg...
My healer is the only consistent person I run with. I intervene, charge, leap etc like a lunatic, so I have pretty good shield block uptime. It just feels like ridiculously hard work to keep mitigation up. Maybe I just need practice. Almost feels like prot needs another generator ability.
cinder nova
Uptime doesn't matter.
Blocked hits matter.
You could have 100% uptime but if you have 60% blocked hits you're doing something sincerely wrong.
mighty valley
yeah, we'd really just need to see video or logs to help you out - the guides in pins give you a good breakdown but there's a lot in good positioning, movement, rage management etc that's just practice
i guess i just promise that we don't all feel squishy all the time
sick sentinel
Even though dk has plate armor and death strike and paladin has shield crap too and heal fuck em both would rather play iv warrior
vocal geode
impeding victory sounds pretty troll
sick sentinel
Makes the hp bar go up when you think you are gunna die
vocal geode
mighty valley
it's not so bad these days that it's literally trolling, but it's definitely doing way less overall
sick sentinel
Or after you got hit by ability
I like it always have liked the instant self heal buttons
They need to make either 10% hp from imdom to baseline, or Impending always cding always usable portion to vr
vocal geode
iv shouldnt be on the same row as indom imo
sick sentinel
I think all affects like that should be "if you were damaging the add as it was dying last 5% hp" and you did enough damage
Delete menace replace with iv
sick sentinel
So make it a pvp talent right
urban portal
yeah i think prot warrior would be quite good if you were to move a util talent option with survival