Using HR at 15 makes sense?
#protection
quiet crane
No it doesn’t
I easily have that uptime at a 15 level without it
I said that when they’re AT a level that using HR matters
They don’t ask
They already know 🤷
ionic fern
Any logs?:)
80% without Reprisal/HR/Bolster seems super high.
With Reprisal you tend to hover around 80%
quiet crane
I don’t currently no, but I don’t feel it is for a 15 unless you’re running bin alts
Shit has literally no health and melts
serene galleon
Either way mines sitting closer to 60 without. I’m wasting rage on revenge and leave SB stacks available
ionic fern
If that’s what you want
Do it. 🙂
teal swift
@ionic fern merry christmas friend
ionic fern
Just ping me.
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> merry christmas friend
You too.
quiet crane
Sure
teal swift
ionic fern
Either way mines sitting closer to 60 without. I’m wasting rage on revenge and l...
Not really "wasting" rage on Revenge as it's our main damage dealing ability in AoE.
You do have to properly track your SB uptime and save some Rage when you notice it running out and the pack is still healthy.
teal swift
Wasting resources is worse than rage starving yourself
quiet crane
Yes it is, but idk where or how I said that
teal swift
I'm agreeing with you
You'll time more keys if you play methodically and hoard resources even if it's a bit less dps.
deft oar
yo guys, is there a macro or something to check if Kruul kill is validated ?
got kicked after this
ionic fern
😦 Lucky
autumn pendant
oh man that guy must be sad now
strong forum
80%+ blocked hits without block talents or reprisal?
Now that sounds like a big ass pile
ionic fern
You still got game time Nome?
strong forum
ionic fern
@sweet summit @jagged pier 4 prot keys while Nome still has gametime? 👀
Idk what the affixes are this week ..something tyrannical.
strong forum
blazing condor
Do we have any eta on 9,2?
strong forum
feb/march are predictions
sweet summit
👀
lime urchin
Literally nothing to do in wow
Make frens and do m+!
strong forum
Lose frens and don't do m+!
sick sentinel
blazing condor
Thats only if youre bad 🙂
sick sentinel
spoilers:
||i've been bad at every vidjyia gaem ever||
blazing condor
At least youre mentally deranged or persistent enough to continue
sick sentinel
was killin nazis when i was like, 10 years old, in part, where the death part of deathray battle tag and usernames come from
oblique garnet
<@!165864577760755712> <@!179993058186625025> 4 prot keys while Nome still has g...
And i didnt even get asked
blazing condor
He never specificed the fourth one, king
Just that it’d be done while nom has gametime
jagged pier
<@!165864577760755712> <@!179993058186625025> 4 prot keys while Nome still has g...
Can do tomorrow ot weekend or somthing
ionic fern
And i didnt even get asked
5 prot keys? 👀
oblique garnet
When
jagged pier
5 prot keys? 👀
👀
sweet summit
👀
modern brook
sweet summit
log on ur secret eu account and let's go
oblique garnet
log on ur secret eu account and let's go
My paladin needs all keys 15 big carry 🙏
strong forum
until 10.0 yes
jagged pier
My paladin needs all keys 15 big carry 🙏
oblique garnet
until 10.0 yes
Wrong warrior plays seismic
sick sentinel
chilly brook
Reprisal soon gone
The sooner we get out of this xpac the better
blazing condor
✏️ 📆
oblique garnet
The sooner we get out of this xpac the better
And then what?
blazing condor
then we complain about the xpac all over again
chilly brook
And then what?
Hopefully a better xpac
sweet summit
sense will fix the game
chilly brook
If not theres always FFXIV and Lost Ark
blazing condor
sense
chilly brook
oblique garnet
Sense is too busy playing FF hes given up all hope on wow 
chilly brook
Sense is too busy playing FF hes given up all hope on wow <:sadge:82020236335985...
Can't say I blame him
Tanks are better in ff
oblique garnet
Ff is boring
chilly brook
Ff is boring
I disagree
oblique garnet
I just couldnt get past how clunky the combat engine is compared to wow
sweet summit
remove gcd
blazing condor
🟦
sweet summit
dumb thing
urban portal
yeah but it feels bad to level
im sure the game gets better endgame
but its even more cucked than losing half of your passives in wow while levellilng
dawn canyon
Cant get to end game if leveling isnt fun :)
urban portal
like how outlaw goes from the lowest apm spec to highest at level 41
when they get their energy generation
chilly brook
Idk it's one of those things
dawn canyon
like how outlaw goes from the lowest apm spec to highest at level 41
Like fury warrior without enrage until like 30
chilly brook
FFXIV is gonna be boring if you look at it as a game you're playing for gameplay at the start
Specifically ARR
Or if you're trying to rush to endgame
urban portal
a bunch of my friends paid like 80 dollars to boost all the way
oblique garnet
FFXIV is gonna be boring if you look at it as a game you're playing for gameplay...
Yeah so unless you spend money you wont enjoy majority of the content
chilly brook
Yeah so unless you spend money you wont enjoy majority of the content
No not even really true
Unless you just hate story
oblique garnet
Story was fine from what i played
chilly brook
Which would be a shame, because honestly the story is incredible
oblique garnet
But if the combat holds me back how am i gonna reach end game without boost?
oblique garnet
chilly brook
Anyways I won't try to tell anyone they should like the game, everyone has different likes and dislikes and wow definitely has tighter combat and a charm to the class design even if they also suck at making their game better
chilly brook
At the risk of sounding like a broken record I really enjoyed ARR and only felt like it was very weak at the very beginning
strong forum
im like level 54, 30ish hrs played
and i haven touched the game in like 3 months
nothing so far that made me go "yeah this is fun"
strong forum
rotation is literally 1-2-3-1-2-3, defensive buttons dont exist besides 60 to 180sec CDs otherwise youre 100% relying on your healer as a tank
aoe rotation is 1-2-1-2-1
oblique garnet
Riot MMO waiting room
sweet summit
chilly brook
Im a lotr andy so wow suits me better
If only LOTRO was remade by a team that cared
oblique garnet
<:copium:839076283467431956>
Ive heard some promising things about it
sick sentinel
"it's not my final fantasy to play that game" brother about me playing some ff game on psp
sweet summit
i have hope, but no expectations
chilly brook
rotation is literally 1-2-3-1-2-3, defensive buttons dont exist besides 60 to 18...
Forgetting your OGCDs and offensive CDs
oblique garnet
i have hope, but no expectations
If they stick to their plan its gonna be a banger of an game
strong forum
massive
sweet summit
🙏
chilly brook
1 2 3
oblique garnet
567
chilly brook
Shield slam, thunderclap, revenj
strong forum
you manage your buttons in wow with a resource system and spend them as you need, in FF its a combosystem
where you are FORCED to use them in that specific order
with no management of anything
chilly brook
Wat
strong forum
offensive CDs are just "20% more dmg"
oblique garnet
Shield slam, thunderclap, revenj
Demoshout, reflect, ip, ravager, avatar, spear/aa, charge weaving intervene
chilly brook
You should have beast gauge at 54 as a warrior
strong forum
im paladin level 54
chilly brook
Oh...
dawn canyon
offensive CDs are just "20% more dmg"
Avatar.
chilly brook
That explains a lot
Paladin is the most basic bitch tank
In regards to what you do
sick sentinel
"hide behind rock" has always been a fantastic plan of survival
i mean, it just fucking works
dawn canyon
bro dont forget about the 30 rage
Ok true that's actually not a small thing
urban portal
big revenge
dawn canyon
Revenge is my favorite card in Hearthstone
strong forum
Avatar.
im not saying its any better, but when people say "offensive CD rotation" i dont think a 15sec duration 1.5min CD is a rotation
and again, i have no clue about endgame of FF
dawn canyon
im not saying its any better, but when people say "offensive CD rotation" i dont...
Ye that feels bland
strong forum
but from what i keep hearing, it doesnt have good combat
chilly brook
Warrior presses fel cleave yes but they get a ton of self sustain
dawn canyon
Reck for example is one of my favorite offensives
Purely based on the concept
Because it isnt just flat damage
But changes your gameplay a bit
Aka press Rampage more 
chilly brook
im not saying its any better, but when people say "offensive CD rotation" i dont...
Really no different than wow in a lot of regards tbh
Theres just a lot of classes that are more rigid in their "sustain" rotation
dawn canyon
i think reck is the least good CD in the game
But reck is funny
chilly brook
Like avatar and spear are both roughly 1 minute
Other than that shield slam, thunderclap, revenj and the occasional executes
strong forum
yeah but its not paired with 123 100% of the time and 2.5sec GCD and literall NO defensive rotation, there is no variation except your 30-60sec ogcd button, which is just sleep
chilly brook
Defensives get used extensively in FF?
strong forum
the only time i used defensives so far was just because i had them ready
or when i pulled 3 packs in dungeons
otherwise theyve been very useless so far
i just use them to use them
chilly brook
So the same use case as in wow?
strong forum
in wow you actually notice a difference
chilly brook
Because if you're just doing a dungeon in wow you almost never have to press a defensive
Unless you pull big
strong forum
and you have your AM to keep up
when in FF you just sit
very unengaging gameplay so far
chilly brook
You definitely should notice a difference in ff unless you have just been lucky and gotten baller ass healers
Of when you pop defensives and not
strong forum
idk a 20% defensive is hard to notice
in baby content
or the amazing reprisal
10% dmg reduction
or the amazing block, 16% dmg reduction for 3 seconds on a 40sec CD
not a fan
chilly brook
Arms length
blazing condor
got flamed at the start of a key for "having the wrong leggo" (seismic)
but i did more dps than 2 other dps so
urban portal
maybe i should craft seismic
chilly brook
If you didn't know arms length is a defensive, it's basically curse of weakness
strong forum
arms length is also a 2min CD that i forgot what it did
cuz its not apparent at what it does
i read it when i got it, then proceeded to ignore it cuz i sounded useless
chilly brook
Should also have a 30% as a paladin
chilly brook
15 seconds, 2m CD
strong forum
like its all ass, nothing required you so far to have your defensives properly used outside of triple pulling in dungeons
and triple pulling isnt even good cuz most classes dont have aoe attacks for a while outside of tanks
very weird
oblique garnet
got flamed at the start of a key for "having the wrong leggo" (seismic) <:sadge:...
I dont think 90% of the people know what legendary prot warrior plays
blazing condor
im kinda bad with seismic build ngl
strong forum
cuz apparently the last 9months didnt exist
blazing condor
could do way more with it
strong forum
yea seismic plays like ASS if youre used to reprisal
urban portal
how can you be bad with seismic tho
doesnt it just make your revenge hit different
it changes 0 about rotation
urban portal
unless you are playing w bonegrinder too
strong forum
its more that youre not having reprisal
strong forum
^
blazing condor
dont use SB enough because i just go "revenj "
strong forum
seismic makes you greed alot more and you just lack boatloads of rage gen
blazing condor
false - see hakkar wing in DOS
distant crystal
ur dead meat
blazing condor
😳
oblique garnet
seismic makes you greed alot more and you just lack boatloads of rage gen
Idk i dont feel rage starved at all
Just a matter of how far you are pushing the limits in pulls
strong forum
idk felt like ass to play
to be fair ive only played 1 key with seismiec
but it felt like horsecock to play
maybe because it was 4 warrior and a mw key with bursting storming
blazing condor
Yeah im just inexperienced with it
I catch myself being too revenge-oriented
Letting rage go to waste by not using SS and TC as much
Which you can usually buffer through reprisal
blazing condor
But thats just good tho means i’ll use them more properly as intended and not use rep as a crutch
gloomy cradle
I played it a few times, ended north of 10k in SD
Was a 15 though so virtually don’t need defensives at all lol
Not getting the free SB and rage is ass for any serious key though
sick sentinel
5 plate wearer groups don't work in my experience
mighty valley
you can do literally anything if you all know what you’re doing
sick sentinel
thats very quick way to end up with a dead as shit key
mighty valley
all plate melee with a feral druid healer is some of the most fun I’ve had in keys
sick sentinel
no blood lust for 1
dawn canyon
drums 
sick sentinel
and then majority of attacks group can do are melee only range, it works on paper but it doesn't pan out so well in game
blazing condor
It really doesnt matter if you do a weekly 15
sick sentinel
because, aggro is a huge factor, they get aggro, and 1 shot, and have to move to enemy
blazing condor
People are so outgeared now
Overgeared i mean
They deal way more dps than needed
For a 15
Its really no problem if the players are good
sick sentinel
they still release to platforms in TOP though
even when we are about to win the pack
nop, i have to to releae
sick sentinel
works 1000% to waste time fail the key lol
15 seconds or 1 minute 15 seconds wait for u to walk back and get buff
when its literal about saving as much time as possbile
blazing condor
Well the beauty of wow is you can choose how or if you wanna play
You dont have to do 5 plate groups 🙂
sick sentinel
dps should always ask the healer if they want release or wait on rez in my opinion if they aren't sure
blazing condor
People just arent smart and dont think
sick sentinel
the thing is i want to do 5 plate wearer kings rest
but it turns into sadness and misery
blazing condor
Why tf would you do a bfa dungeon now anyway
sick sentinel
thats the one we tried to do it in and it went to shit
blazing condor
Also if you dont do it as m+ it literally dosnt matter
sick sentinel
tried to run some low key7-15 failed it
blazing condor
Was only like 2 years ago as well
Also obviously youre not gonna get anything done doing a +7 key lmao
Thats like expecting mythic strats in a normal raid pug
sick sentinel
that might have been in early bfa when all you needed to do was a 10 key for max reward
i remember the mchimba fire deleting melee constantly
cinder pasture
That's not a 5 plate group problem, that's a player problem
strong forum
the only time to avoid 5 plate groups is when youre boosting armor stack keys and its bad affixes
that is a big risk to deplete, 0 utility DPS classes, a paladin healer and youre 4manning
blazing condor
whats the worst melee affixes? Storming and sang or something?
Ider what affixes there are anymore
Spiteful i guess
chrome zealot
Most of the reasons given sound more like melee instead of plate problems, and until 8.3 wasn’t all melee groups the meta
blazing condor
All i heard was ”players were bad so plate was bad”
strong forum
Most of the reasons given sound more like melee instead of plate problems, and u...
theres a difference between having a rogue havoc + X and 3x DK/Retpally
i didnt read the discussion above, i just added onto the "all plate group" thing, which was a reason for me to avoid boosting keys as ive stated
pure plate stacks always suck cuz the pala healer is almost always an Alt of a person severely overestimating their ability coupled with dk/ret/war just not bringing alot to the table
sure its entirely possible to do those keys, but you better not boost with people you dont know
blazing condor
thing is
i'm mostly talking about the palas that are geared and playing like theyre gonna be a 4th dps
cus thats what good palas really can do
but they end up pulling 3k overall dps and 2k overall hps
i just straight up dont invite palas to heal because i cba
same with boomies
strong forum
yes
blazing condor
idk if its because i assume that those classes will do exceedingly well
because they can
strong forum
your average pally and boomy are terrible
blazing condor
but they always suck
chrome zealot
Boomies half depend on their skill and half depend on how you pull for them I feel like
chrome zealot
Need to pull huge for them to get their full potential
blazing condor
i track their convokes n shit to make sure i dont mess them up
but mostly i see them as boss busters
like 1st boss in MoTS
and they end up bursting like 10k
strong forum
and paladin only heals with wings up, but bad pallys think they are only supposed to dps
strong forum
the thing that keeps me going is work
blazing condor
life of a german
distant crystal
only thing that keeps me going rn is high numbers
can i interest you in cookieclicker in these trying times?
sweet summit
i have bd bro
132/151 sinnoh dex rn
few left, then nat dex !
then shiny dex !
wooooo
jagged pier
453 somthing national dex
blazing condor
dont have a switch : (
i played pearl tho growing up so i wouldve gotten SP if anything
if it's any consolation
sweet summit
get a switch :/
blazing condor
can i interest you in cookieclicker in these trying times?
i played cookie clicker on my phone as a kid and i would have it on during the night and shit and my goal was to get 1,000,000,000 CPS or whatever and i finally got it but i accidentally bought a 0.1 cps thing so it got fucked up and i never played agian
chilly brook
get a switch :/
I just bought the two sub nautica games for switch
Also bought KOTOR
sweet summit
that's not pokemon :/
blazing condor
get a switch :/
buy me one 👉 👈
chilly brook
that's not pokemon :/
I have shield
sweet summit
buy me one 👉 👈
you're supposed to me my sugar daddy, not the other way around 🥺
sweet summit
I have shield
WRONG GAME BRO smh my head shaking
blazing condor
you're supposed to me *my* sugar daddy, not the other way around 🥺
i know but we did a switch
do you guys cry at pokemon MD games or are you liars ?
chilly brook
@blazing condor I might know a guy who has an extra switch oled that he doesnt need
blazing condor
oops
chilly brook
👀
chilly brook
Idk I doubt he would part for free
Heck
I might just sell mine and grab his oled
blazing condor
kinda sucks how gated off nintendo games are
even though i 100% get it
i miss playing all them games but i dont have the consoles anymore
strong forum
i kinda dont wanna click that link
jagged pier
i aint doing it
strong forum
ima just delete for now
jagged pier
good idea
jagged pier
🤔
strong forum
the embed preview is just very scary
strong forum
nintendo is quite nazi about their stuff tbh
if shit gets too popular, you best know, even if it was just a fun project with no money involved, they gonna kill it
or copyright strike your ass
livid dagger
Is prot really starting to use seismic or still reprisal for higher keys?
strong forum
seismic is only for low keys
nothing for actual keys
reprisal is literally the most broken legendary in all of wow, you can get away with playing seismic in say mists if youre in a coordinated group and are very skilled at what youre doing in high keys
but outside of that very specific niche situation, just play reprisal in whatever is a push key to you
urban portal
Imagine if dh had the same thing
You gain demon spikes and your next soul cleave do 50% more damage every abyssal strike
strong forum
yeah its OP
mellow bridge
You gain demon spikes and your next soul cleave do 50% more damage every abyssal...
Now if spikes just did anything in real keys
urban portal
Technically none of the other tank defensive does anything
All of them use something else on top of it to live packs while prot warrior just puts up block
I'm fairly sure every other tank has 100% uptime on their armor gain except dh
safe thistle
well i believe all other tank huge cd are shorter than warrior except maybe paladin
vocal geode
and they end up bursting like 10k
kinda depends
I was venth on my boomie (recently switched back to nf) and it felt wack in keys because of small pulls by pug tanks
sick sentinel
so, guys
what are you playing besides pwar now, i have everything on 1 server above lvl 40, most 50
so, i can give basically anything a go, i need a break from warrior or gunna lose it
whats interesting me is enhance shaman, warlock, mage
sick sentinel
i like arcane for time anomaly even though it is a bad talent it feels good
every 40s or so you get a mini of lust, mana-regen, or spell-power
sick sentinel
can't control which ones you get but it goes off all the god damn time
vocal geode
brew is more fun than prot imo
sick sentinel
i'm not smart enough to understand how their DR works
or rather, i stand in too much shit, and then it ramps up and i die
dawn canyon
prot pala was fun
sick sentinel
i have a huge interest in lock and shaman because i didn't play shaman or lock at all in BFA or shadowlands
dawn canyon
however tanking keys stressed me out so i quit my ppal
sick sentinel
so, i boosted a rogue, shaman and lock recently, at least have some other toons at max lvl now
vocal geode
wtb for a shammy
dawn canyon
ocean yoke
ive been spending way more time on my DH than my warrior lately, both specs have been pretty fun
urban portal
im the opposite
sick sentinel
urban portal
i started this tier doing dh
sick sentinel
this is what i've been busy with
urban portal
but then i realized that dh is the most immoible melee in the game
paper valve
Hey,
Trying out shield wall legendary in m+, other than anger management anything else I should opt to?
urban portal
Reprisal
teal swift
try to bullshit my way to a hell baal kill
Will it be your first
I've ssf killed Baal on almost every build lol
Some are harder than others
sick sentinel
I play solo is why it's a challenge
I know I could easily run through the entire game in about 72 hours if I really wanted to or less
I just kind of log in and play till I get myself killed too many times or i do a thing complete quest or found new way points
sick sentinel
Good to see that I made the correct choice early regarding not attempting Mt, only 3% have done it, only things I think about when I hear mage tower is asmonsmash, 431 attempts on prot paladin and it doesn't seem possible, you need twice the maximum dps a tank can do at best rotation and idk this version of Mt seems 3ez5me and I just go in a trance and beat it
urban portal
seems like a maz cuz bad kinda deal
blazing condor
Pessimistic cus realistic
cedar trench
431 attempts? MonkaS
teal swift
@sick sentinel I play ssf as well
waxen orbit
Wasn’t a bad week
Roughly a ~35 io climb I think (I honestly forget where I started)
blazing condor
waxen orbit
Was so close to timing a 25 DOS with no NF and no plan. Only 3 minutes off even though we had something like 14 deaths on top of that
Oh well
I sleep now
blazing condor
forest atlas
Good to see that I made the correct choice early regarding not attempting Mt, on...
Is this a copy pasta? Nvm it obviously is. Good one, would love source.
jagged pier
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
jagged pier
<:deswind:533073964096946176>
carry me in m+ 😳
teal swift
@jagged pier do you even lorrgs
jagged pier
no
jagged pier
im good
teal swift
Also wanna cuddle
jagged pier
🤔
jagged pier
🤗
teal swift
🤗
blazing condor
carry me in m+ 😳
Probably got time today tbh if ur down
jagged pier
😮
jagged pier
Probably got time today tbh if ur down
im rdy
ionic fern
Same. Carry me.
jagged pier
POG
jagged pier
smh
somber stump
What would you guys choose as a 2nd tank into next tier? I've got my prot warrior so i'm looking into one which is good on magic dmg. I'm thinking between a DH or a Monk, i detest a BDK.
tame jasper
choose by their abilites
like grip of BDK
the 5% magic/phys damage of dh/monk you can get of dps too
etc etc
somber stump
yeah we got those covered already
i like the fast playstyle of DH's and Monks, i can't play slow ass tanks xD
somber stump
I know and i have one, but the guild has been asking me to play a 2nd tank for progression so im doubting between a monk or DH atm, got the physical dmg tank covered, now im looking for one of the other 2 to cover fights which are more leaning towards magic dmg
ionic fern
🤔
You can tank any fight with literally any tank.
If you're looking for a more "utility focused raid tank" then either gear a paladin or a BDK for the blessings/shields and grips.
sick sentinel
TBH i'm just waiting on something better to come along at this point
ionic fern
Something better?
sick sentinel
i've given up much hope on blizzard and warcraft
i don't have any hope left for them even though wow will continue, it just seems like the ride is coming to a stop
somber stump
You can tank any fight with literally any tank.
true, but certain fights are better for other tank classes. we're not that strong on the eye as an example or at taking the sylvanas stacks as a prot warrior, so im trying to fill in the gaps where warriors are lacking and a different tank class is better at
sick sentinel
prot warrior is mediocre in both m+ and raiding overall and dogshit meme tier in pvp
whats the point?
why not just take something better
sick sentinel
bear and (was dh, apparently now monk) are both better than prot for keys
and prot isn't the best for raids
ionic fern
true, but certain fights are better for other tank classes. we're not that stron...
I would still go with Paladin or BDK since these two are great in most raid situations.
ionic fern
bear and (was dh, apparently now monk) are both better than prot for keys
Better for what? 🤔
It legit doesn't matter what tank they play for like 99.9% of the playerbase.
tame jasper
i think hes a meta believer
sick sentinel
the only thing i ever log into wow these days for is some vein attempt of getting KSM
ionic fern
How is that relevant to the discussion?
tame jasper
How is that relevant to the discussion?
cause Im missing truze aspects why others are "better"
ionic fern
It was a question for Yogi.
sick sentinel
because, i'm tired of "you have to pick this thing to be healer with these talents and covenant/conduits" guild i am in now even says 'just roll bear and it will be 10 times easier'
jagged pier
☝️
sick sentinel
again though
if im doing TOP for example platforms and the paladin dies to fucking god damn bullshit of death spell, and then he releases and runs back before asking anyone
wasting 1-2 minutes instead of 10-15 seconds........ my fault
because, i didn't carry hard enough by explicitly telling him when he died unexpectedly to not release
tame jasper
that's the life of pugging. you cant change those ppl @sick sentinel
I'm experiencing this regularly too
as a motivation: it will change after 15ties and doing more 16+
many poor ppl stop at 15
sick sentinel
i'm ready to give up with it, i no longer give a fuck or have spark i did in bfa
ionic fern
I'm experiencing this regularly too
Everyone is experiencing that.
sick sentinel
you can say i don't play well enough but its a team effort end of the day 20% per person, maybe i'm doing 35% cuz i have to make the pulls and keep route in mind
if the whole team doesn't play together, you're screwed in a key
dawn canyon
ive depleted my 19 cuz heals died 3 times on a boss
it just happens
either you get it or get got
sick sentinel
i don't even know how too because i rage quit after we failed that 14 top and deleted the video but fucking paladin again died 2 times to arena boss
like, we completed and i instantly rage quit the key
died to some shit, so i rez him with engineer, dies again
ionic fern
PRetty sure everyone on this DIscord can tell you dozens of stories like that and even worse.
dawn canyon
29 deaths 19 SD
ionic fern
If you don't enjoy the game/how it plays..don't play it.
sick sentinel
that was just simply a story from this weekend lmao
marsh plover
21 death HoA, where I'm the only one to not die. Pugs are shit and you either make up for then or go again.
dawn canyon
that was just simply a story from this weekend lmao
the sd is too LOL
pugs always suck so try snatch guildies
ionic fern
The things to take away from this are:
-If you don't enjoy the game don't play it.
-Don't complain about pug's 24/7 , everyone goes through this.
-If you do enjoy the game and want to get better then listen to the feedback we've been giving you for the last 2+ months
sick sentinel
here's my fucking point okay: It's reached a tipping point where it's consistantly not fun for me any more and go into keys expecting to fail
there are times when its fun, but more often than not and consistantly its not fun
dawn canyon
if my horde warrior was geared i wouldve offered to help out, but my 226 ass wont be of amy help
jagged pier
u can literally do 17s at 226
sick sentinel
yes you can, but is this a group of 5 guys you got off the street or 5 guys with race car training and gear and experience over many years
5 street guys no communication between them, radio in each race car drivers car
ionic fern
Yes, we know
jagged pier
yer
jagged pier
i did 17s week one of the season in 226 in a pug
no communication
i dont see the issue here
somethings goes wrong whatever it happens
u just get on with it
nothing is going to go perfectly 100% of the time
sick sentinel
so, what your saying "you can do 17's at 226" isn't as true for the average player
sick sentinel
99.9-97% going by 3% mt completion
its not that it's not true, but it requires things to back it up,
the player playing has to know exactly what to do and do it well
inland raft
Im average and last season i took my 164 warrior to a 15 and almost timed it 226 is more then fine
jagged pier
im telling u right now more than 3% of players have done the mage tower
also mage tower is nothing like pugging m+
at all
sick sentinel
it requires skill and knowlege to complete, generally speaking right
you have to know your rotation and what each of the spells will do and how to counter it
jagged pier
it requires knowledge which u can get by reading the guides watching the videos GOING IN AND LEARNING WHAT HAPPENS FOR YOURSELF
if u arent willing to learn
then there is literally no point in playing the game
inland raft
I did mage tower with no idea what it was since didn’t do it in legion and didnt watch anything about it in only a few tries on protwar just looked what killer me each time and made adjustments each time
Protpal took me a bit more but had just made it so was more about not being good at the class yet
strong forum
Muh legs
inland raft
Pallys are known foe their mobility 
strong forum
jagged pier
Only hard tank mt was druid, change my mind
sweet summit
at least horse go fast
strong forum
Once every 45sec
jagged pier
And it was hard because it was perfectly tuned
sweet summit
ya druid was good
jagged pier
Was better pre nerf just saying
inland raft
Druid was tough but got unfair amount of cries for nerfs mainly cuz druids have been spoiled af
I saw people with fresh rolled druids doing it easier then mains prob on account of that
sweet summit
jagged pier
Was perfect
Like it was really well tuned
The nerfs just bought it in line witht he rest which i thought was wrong would have liked to see the others go the other way and come up
ionic fern
People just forgot what a challenge looks like in WoW.
Every solo content you do is a faceroll.
inland raft
Thats never blizzards way and you know it
Nerf everything to lowest common denominator
jagged pier
My favourite 'I'm entitled to the skin because i pay sub' 😂
inland raft
And then nerf that too
sick sentinel
one thing i hate about the way blizzard makes games as a whole is there is long periods of time you take little to no damage and then you just get hit with a literal nuke and exploded
inland raft
I mean even group content has never been hard in wow, hardest thing about mythic raid is maintaining a roster
Thats always been wows true challenge
sick sentinel
you just straight up die if you aren't totally prepared
shit load of magic damage nuke, or some cancer debuff
strong forum
youd be surprised how many tanks go blind into mythic raids
strong forum
or rather, how many people go blind into mythic raid period
inland raft
Pad the heals etc
dawn canyon
youd be surprised how many tanks go blind into mythic raids
i went blind into hc as a tank in the 3rd month of playing wow
raid tanking isnt hard
sick sentinel
like i was doing nightmare tombs of tal'rasha to level up my amazon, cleared all the tombs right and then on succesfull run i die once to some beetle dude who literal 2 shots me
thats only time i died that whole session
sweet summit
seems about right tbh 
you are excused
sick sentinel
my characters got over 350hp, so was taking minimum 100+ hits from some dude
dawn canyon
start 18 dos wipe first pull tank leaves
inland raft
Man i love when my tank is an idiot and just dies… filthy scrub… o wait thats me i am my tank
sick sentinel
i dunno man, i thought tank life was the chad life
dawn canyon
Man i love when my tank is an idiot and just dies… filthy scrub… o wait thats me...
man i love when pugs suck is what i was tryin to convey
sick sentinel
if i gotta get guildies and shit to run shit, i'm better off re-rolling DPS lol
dawn canyon
rerolling bad
inland raft
Ah pal, i bet he didnt have consecration down or overspent on damage
dawn canyon
if i gotta get guildies and shit to run shit, i'm better off re-rolling DPS lol
if you stay tank you'll get into good guilds so much easier
sick sentinel
no i'm starting to say fuck this tank shit probably leave it up to the experts now
"you think you do but you don't"
inland raft
How close to 2k io are you?
inland raft
I havnt played in a bit what week is it at reset tyr or fort?
sick sentinel
fort
inland raft
So your bottom 4 on 15s should do it
sick sentinel
the way to remember it is it switches everyweek, so whatever it was this week it's the opposite next week
inland raft
I think
Ya i just havnt played in quite a while, been playing destiny of all games lol
Raid loggin and dont even leave the raid
sick sentinel
yeah, but i legitimately think of nothing else when i log in but attempting to go for ksm any more
don't go to the maw, ever... don't pvp, don't do WQ, don't do raids or LFR gold making none of it
inland raft
Its hard to say when cuz been super busy lately but im down to do some 2 tank meme keys and finish those at some point
sick sentinel
i did 1 torghast last night as a group, and i would have done a second if a guy didn't leave group, mostly because i wanted the tower points so it would be quicker to farm out future torghast runs for ash
that's the most variance i've had with this gamei n like a month
inland raft
Just let me know if down i really should be doing keys on my pally for gear anyways just havnt been playing
sick sentinel
see what happens for sure
how about chrono-boon-displacer thing that they have in classic we get that for retail and it saves your remaining flask and food buff and shit if your key depletes in first 10 minutes
no worse feeling that ontop of your shaman is an idiot and died on second pack so now the lock left and its a dead key, so you got 57minutes of flask and food buff running that cost like, 500+ gold to buff
inland raft
Not necessary goven how cheap consumes are, can fund flasks and such for a week off a few hours of gold farming
lofty widget
anyone know what the best necro soulbind for m+ is?
sick sentinel
You’ll meet the Enlightened Brokers in Zereth Mortis and become allies with them to be able to obtain a new Legendary belt empowered with your covenant’s Runecarving Effect. The unique characteristic of this new Legendary belt is that your Runecarving Effect will switch freely alongside your character whenever swapping covenants. There’s no need to craft a new Legendary Belt for each covenant.
all 3 of my 262 legendaries are belts
jagged pier
anyone know what the best necro soulbind for m+ is?
Eminem
tame jasper
29 deaths 19 SD
and still SD is possible, did one intime some time ago with 33 deaths ^^
@ionic fernreprisal + covenant (in my case kyrian) will be the way to craft in 9.2 right? so for me legs and feet
tame jasper
the belt thing is the thing for cov lego and can be later switcht to other slots (as far as I understood it)
dawn canyon
yes
sick sentinel
hmm nvm was thinking reprisal was also belt some reason
tame jasper
so its cov legendary (which as kyrian is legs/feet) and reprisal (whioch is leg/feet too)
tame jasper
yo u dont leap with your hands?
sick sentinel
did 1 key as necrolord glory with impending victory, was a 13 pf and we 2 chested it, did torghast with it 2 or 3 times
dawn canyon
my leaper is belt
waxen orbit
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
humble tendon
SO if atm i have for example kyrian leggo in feet like reprisal in 9.2 i must recraft it to use both?
strong forum
there will be a cov legendary
which will work for all covs
the slots will be belt and other slots too but theyre not confirmed which ones
sick sentinel
well, again with the set pieces of 9.2 there will still be some uncraftable slots
i dunno all the pieces that the set takes up, but im guessing the same ones as normal, head shoulder, chest, gloves
inland raft
Head, shoulder, chest, gloves, legs and feet only need 4 of them, but we dont know which are from last two yet so its wait and see where we want leggos
teal swift
im glad
that we can just craft it with M+ shit
Making mythic raiding less important (minus the dumb fucking trinkets they are making)
waxen orbit
Making mythic raiding less important (minus the dumb fucking trinkets they are m...
Or the essential shield you’ll have to snatch
With the on use/passive
humble tendon
So not craft anything more and w8 for 9.2 i guess. Thanks
strong forum
Pmuch
tame jasper
i dunno all the pieces that the set takes up, but im guessing the same ones as n...
On ptr it was on all slots but max 4 for max bonus
worthy karma
The loot gods were on my side and I was wondering if I can get some advice. Should I run OWS and Scale or Scale and RDM (all heroic) for keys
18+
worthy karma
oooo
strong forum
Cuz 18 ain't all that high of keys
worthy karma
true I'm pushing 19s and 20s soon
urban portal
Or the essential shield you’ll have to snatch
the shield is much better for prot pal than prot war
urban portal
i mena ofc
strong forum
The effect it does is laughable
urban portal
yeah its nowhere NEAR mandatory
urban portal
not to mention it may incur trinket cd
strong forum
*specific gear
Outside of R1 parses and R1 World keys gear is not as big of a factor
Lowkey
sick sentinel
so, i have a question about spires on weeks like this between 1 and 2
because you can pick up a spear to use, are you guys generally using it on the top of the stairs pack combining with birds, or on the following platform pre boss 2
generally speaking, for my self i have always seperated the birds and giant pack, and then used the spear on the preboss pack with a CC for fort weeks
safe thistle
why devastator aint baseline yet.......
chrome zealot
I usually just do the double pack on top of the stairs with spear with everyone’s CDs up
sick sentinel
you trust people not to use CD's after the taxi pack?
like where you take taxi and it basically puts you in combat soon as you land bottom of stairs if you move 5 feet
chrome zealot
If it’s a pug type it before going over
But if it’s with a group in discord I let them know where I’m using that spear so they know ahead of time
sick sentinel
i think i need to set some kind of thing where i can swap between at cursor and at player for spear and rav, i often get them goin on the god damn moon
chilly brook
you trust people not to use CD's after the taxi pack?
Depends on the group
chrome zealot
Either way it’s a good idea to let them know how you plan to use spear
chilly brook
If I have CDR classes it doesnt really matter
sick sentinel
some groups though i swear its like "you can dispell the enrage on that beas....." "IT'S JUST A 14 BRO LOL"
its not even like, they don't learn, its just like they actually don't give a fuck
chrome zealot
^
chilly brook
15s should be easily achievable
Problem is no one wants to be decent at their spec or role
I've done 15s as a tank sub 220 ilvl
safe thistle
as long as they kill stuff fast enough i wouldnt care about the enrage though but if they do shitty dps on top of that... nahhhh
sick sentinel
then they lag out and disconnect
or have to spend 7 minutes walking to the lobby of their apartment to get a mail
sick sentinel
pick order is anygood single target dps> healer>brez=lust >other thing (cov, special mechanic)
always helps to have minimum 1 person on single target control enemy HP levels and delete problem boys, like a rogue or hunter can dispose of add incrediby fast
chilly brook
It very much depends
chilly brook
as long as they kill stuff fast enough i wouldnt care about the enrage though bu...
Leaving the stompy boi enraged before first boss of TOP is a yikes from me
balmy coral
Would Doubling the healing from indom make us broken?
B/c without blood shards our sustain is awful
ionic fern
Good thing we got high base armor + a ton of various defensives and arguably the strongest deensive in game against physical damage.
jagged pier
☝️
balmy coral
Until we get spells casted at us uninteruped in a raging fortigfied weeks b/c pugs are bad
ionic fern
That's legit any tank tho. 👀
jagged pier
☝️
balmy coral
Oh my god our 4 piece is soo awful to use
jagged pier
because its bugged
balmy coral
How so?
ionic fern
balmy coral
Oh well, the issue is even if I wanted to use Ignore pain, I'd have to pool rage prior or end up using it on SS or TC
It should be revenge or IP, not SS/TC b/c it can be accidentally used trying to build rage
It's so damn clunky, i hope they rework it
ionic fern
Using Outburst on anything other than SS(maybe occasional TC) is a trap.
jagged pier
☝️
balmy coral
I agree. using it on IP is useless AF
sick sentinel
what is the shields passive effect?
ionic fern
But jeah,it's horrible.
balmy coral
Using Outburst on anything other than SS(maybe occasional TC) is a trap.
You can accidentally use it on TC too
worthy karma
9.2 not a safe space
balmy coral
It should stack up to 16 IMO, and proc on Revenge or IP, making both 200% more powerful and making the absorb 100% on IP
that would be a 26k shield which is 1/3 the shield I get on my BrM
Which would make IP actually not awful
The avatar bonus is actually fine, I would say the DR may be a bit under tuned tho.
stuck scaffold
100% is closer to acceptable, could be even more and not be OP imo
sick sentinel
vulpera DH when?
edgy cradle
good enough guys? they are a bit lower gear than me
mellow bridge
what's your ilvl
blazing condor
I know its only a 14 but damn
Your dps players really sucked
6k is fine though not really ”good” but not bad either
quiet crane
The dps is beyond the point of sucked they didn’t press buttons at all
At 235 ilvl on even a boomkin with shit CD management I’m around 10k most dungeons
gaunt dawn
urban portal
9.0 damage
sick sentinel
hunter dmg seems pretty good
edgy cradle
6k is fine though not really ”good” but not bad either
this was what i wantd to know, thanks
mighty valley
this was what i wantd to know, thanks
low damage from the dps players will also hurt your damage, if you were playing with a fully geared group your damage would go up, so you’re fine
sick sentinel
i did a 13 spires, forgot to pull the final LT, but it wasn't so bad on final boss just a snare
14 something tomorrow I guess
inland raft
so something ive always wondered, why does sylv stop casting ruin early on second burn platform without being interrupted sometimes? was told was jaina but its happened even if her side is slow
plush tendon
does anyone here use a swing timer weakaura?
inland raft
ya, mainly for arms but still have it visible for prot
sick sentinel
Only things I dod really bad on that key was take a bunch of from boss 1, dk died to mystery aggro or something on pre boss 2, and minor scuffing on pre 3 with the littles
Didn't interrupt pre boss 1 giant on pull cuz was more concerned with putting up damage and cds
Healer died to that
Dk said something to me about pull back or away, and then it put a blot where wanted to move them so I used spear, dk died in the confusion, I asked what happened or if he used army though maybe he used army and it started to attack crap on its own again
dawn canyon
Only things I dod really bad on that key was take a bunch of from boss 1, dk die...
Unholy generally doesnt take aggro off
Maybe they got hit by a frontal
sick sentinel
Whatever it was there was a ccd guy and then he wasn't ccd I think
sick sentinel
Auto correction
dawn canyon
Reminds me of huntsman
Everyone breaking the cc
God that was so infuriating at times
sick sentinel
Whatever the guy is to left and castigator I think his name is, maybe he didn't get cc removed
Something happened and aggro wasn't going way I needed had to charge around to get it sorted
I just remember looking up and there is a guy chasing some dude so had to go get him
No to swing timer btw, I did at one point but I'm imagini g it's redundant for prot, unless Parry hasting is still a thing
urban portal
hard because prot swings fast
dawn canyon
The thing i didnt like about your UI was that i couldnt easily see your rotational buttons
urban portal
but technically optimal
dawn canyon
Swing timer almost feels Arms exclusive now tbh
ionic fern
Your dps players really sucked
I got 5-6k overall DPS players in the +19's i thought i'd pug quickly for a weekly.
forest meadow
I got 5-6k overall DPS players in the +19's i thought i'd pug quickly for a week...
Getting to that point in the season where it's hard to choose people for PUGs. Even the bads have high ilvl and decent io
ionic fern
Jeah, it's a nice lottery.
I find myself impressed when I get a PUG DPS doing more than 7k overall.
And then i play with @sweet summit who does like 13k and realise how horrible pugging is.
Saddest part is the pug's going "Oh wow, i diddn't know tanks can do so much damage!!!"..no..it's just that you're horrible.
forest meadow
At 235 ilvl on even a boomkin with shit CD management I’m around 10k most dungeo...
What? 10k overall at 235 can't be horrible CD management unless your tank is pulling the whole room every time. I run a lot of +15s on alts, and I'm not sure I've seen anyone at 235 doing over 10k overall. Absolutely doable, but it's not by playing badly. 235 usually means suboptimal secondary stats and likely suboptimal trinkets and few/no shards
forest meadow
10k bursts? Or 10k overall dungeon dps? Is bell really that good? Especially as boomkin, which is probably venthyr. Big damage? Yeah. But it's only big damage if using venthyr CD well
Oh lol. Yeah I see. Bell for damage? kinda. Bell for orange parse? Definitely
pallid musk
I do end with 3.6-4.4 overall in 15-16. Might be my route that scale down or not hit all mobs effective in Ravanger/ Demo roar.
But when I play necrolord/ Kyrian I can do more numbers. Been atick with NF korayn
ionic fern
3.6-4.4k is like S1 DPS.
👀
It's really-really-really low.
Smells more like playing the class wrong.
pallid musk
Yea I dobut that I doing something wrong with damage output . Defensive inpot is really good
ionic fern
Do you have any logs?
I can guarantee you that something is wrong, unless you're really low ilvl.
pallid musk
2.2 k damage taken overall on fort/Tyr week is just good.
Can fix logs when I get home but I found that you can see SB uptime on details
Just go -> settings -> and there is first row “Damage, Healing, dispell etc but on 4rd. You can find buff
ionic fern
What does that have to do with anything? 👀
pallid musk
And you can only see SB utime by minute
ionic fern
It's irrelevant information since we only care about blocked hits, not overall SB uptime.
pallid musk
Ah yes. Correct it’s irrelevante with minutes when u can’t track the blocked hits
Got new computer (used) one that I bought and it gave me better CPU for WoW. I been stuck with PVP protection in last weeks 😂
The just annoying that with all rogue stuns make I look like a weak tanker when I can’t parry/block all these stuns / disarms
jagged pier
when carry
blazing condor
🤷♂️ i aint back home from christmas so its a bit jank with the time
jagged pier
smh
blazing condor
errant aurora
Im lvl50 prot warrior. What do i do now?
tame jasper
levleing to 60
errant aurora
Dont have shadowlands
edgy cradle
low damage from the dps players will also hurt your damage, if you were playing ...
That seems tricky, i tho it would be less dps with a geared group
blazing condor
Dont have shadowlands
I genuinely have no idea what you do lol. Gear up in bfa i guess? Collect mounts or cool transmogs? Level up another character
Wow is pretty much just end-game oriented and thats found in shadowlands nowdays
errant aurora
Doesnt shadowland suck?
errant aurora
Lol they half piced the shadowlands packages
They are desperate. Clearly not doing so well
ionic fern
That's what they have done to previous expansions as well..
It's called having a sale.
edgy cradle
Every company are desperate at xmas, how do u expect to pay presents? /S
blazing condor
Santa brings the presents idiot
Why would you pay for something he does for free?
edgy cradle
There isnt free stuff
blazing condor
Taxes are free
blazing condor
Thank u Phill
Guess we’ll still run Sack + Phial then
Unless raid has some dope trinks
strong forum
246 sin stained penant or 246 interplanar keystone
If interplanar is the one from KT, use KT
Cuz crit is more dam than mastery
blazing condor
Devalues my crit block build