Re: Mt sylv
#protection
mellow bridge
if p2 didnt exist, I'd actually like sylv
but yeah most bosses arent that exciting
I kinda like remnant
and I always like those big tankbusters like Guardian
blazing condor
Best bosses are the hard but fully scripted ones
sweet summit
ok play ff nerd
blazing condor
No i dont wanna limit how many fantasies i can have
sweet summit
honest plinth
how can you guys play ff btw. i dowloaded it coz of hype and deleted after 10 mins
chilly brook
how can you guys play ff btw. i dowloaded it coz of hype and deleted after 10 mi...
Because you're looking at it wrong
If I played TW3 for combat I wouldn't have finished it
honest plinth
i will play gw2 if wow will be deleted from game indutry
chilly brook
FFXIV is a story game first
ARR is the weakest version of gameplay
So if you're trying FFXIV and just starting out and you're only in it for the gameplay you're probably not going to get far @honest plinth
Only focus on doing the story quests aka these
And pay attention to the story
sweet summit
#ffhold 👉 🚪 
chilly brook
And you'll have a much much different experience with ARR
chilly brook
#ffhold 👉 🚪 <:weird:718676218500874320>
Fite me nerd
sweet summit
nerd
mellow bridge
#ffhold 👉 🚪
honest plinth
seems like i just dont like the games when i need to speak with npcs 20 mins in row
chilly brook
Granted you just might not like it which is cool
sweet summit
fold dn
chilly brook
But I'm just offering what made the difference for me. I tried playing the game I think when Stormblood came out and I hated it because I had the WoW zoom zoom gotta level fast and get to endgame mentality. I tried it again during 9.1 release and I fell in love with it when I did it the non WoW way.
mighty valley
It doesn't help that every time they revamped classes they put all the abilities that tie the rotations together near the end of leveling
which is gated by story
so you spend a long long time pressing 1-2-3
but yeah, play it for story
honest plinth
thats why gw2 is better for me personally. it has a great story. also wowlike gameplay
modern brook
Playing an anime game for the story
strong forum
Playing Story for the anime
sweet summit
anime
tall pagoda
hey all, just starting up a prot warrior and wondering about defensive CD usage. Is there ever a time that you would use shield wall and last stand together? In a macro kind of thing
modern brook
hey all, just starting up a prot warrior and wondering about defensive CD usage....
No
sweet summit
last stand is an offensive CD (with unnerving focus)
shield wall to fill SB downtime/dots/casts/huge damage incoming
honest plinth
with right conduit 😄
modern brook
If you're ever in a position where you need 2 major cds to live you fucked up earlier
honest plinth
last stand is an offensive CD <:okayge:917646812519739433> (with unnerving focus...
ninja
sweet summit
tall pagoda
ah cool thanks all. would i ever macro shield wall into anything? or is it always a stand alone spell?
sweet summit
no
mighty valley
always standalone
it's off gcd so just like, press another button too if you need it
modern brook
Defensive shouldn't get macro period as a broad rule for all tanking specs
mighty valley
tbh the only thing i have macro'd together rn is short-cd offensive trinket into avatar
modern brook
I think the most common macro is charge intervene mouse over
tall pagoda
awesome, thanks for the advice all
mighty valley
i just have charge and intervene on W and Shift-W
tall pagoda
so for guardian druid (in a warrior discord...) i wouldnt macro barkskin and survival instincts either?
mellow bridge
^
tall pagoda
ok cool, ive got defensives on m5 button on mouse, so would have shield wall as m5 and then last stand as shift m5 or something, nice
thanks all
honest plinth
ye its cool
@sweet summit seems like Erga doesnt want to be pinged idk...maybe im wrong @sweet summit what do you think guys? @sweet summit
mighty valley
DND stands for Disturb? Now! Do it
sweet summit
slush pog
honest plinth
where is my friend Karton btw
sick sentinel
change shield imho but
honest plinth
i need the small one coz of back tmog
strong forum
literally just to nuke the sound
Same
Karton died of ligma
Couldn't find a guild repeatedly
sick sentinel
i want them to recolor the shield from TV to better colors
greens yellows reds blacks
frail oar
7% pull 🙂
I may soon be able to see P2 (except that if it's not tomorrow, it'll be next the tower is up ^^)
strong forum
mellow bridge
I may soon be able to see P2 (except that if it's not tomorrow, it'll be next th...
tower will be up for another 2 weeks
go and get it champ
frail oar
starting tomorrow night, i won't be able to play before the 3rd
mellow bridge
P2 is harder right ?
not if you can strafe and plan your def cds a bit
ahh that's unfortunate
frail oar
not if you can strafe and plan your def cds a bit
nice to know
mellow bridge
p2 is about 3 things
dodging infernal smashes which happens naturally most of the time if you are kiting kruul in a circle via strafing
and if you get hit, charge/leap quick enough
planning your def cds for annihilates
and doing enough dmg aka pressing your buttons enough 
modern brook
p2 is only hard if you dont push damage in p1 tbh
mellow bridge
yea the fewer infernals you have the easier it gets
frail oar
on my 7% wipe, i had 3 infernals i think
modern brook
3 is fine
frail oar
but i was far from the 4th
modern brook
3-4 is expected difficulty
i know someone pumped it down in 2
i wanna say it was jakey
mellow bridge
yea 3 is gucchi
modern brook
but dr
mellow bridge
if you get 3 your dps should be good enough to make kruul's check as well
modern brook
did mine with 3
mellow bridge
same
frail oar
nice
i will wait until i get consistently to him to start using dums/battle pots
because as for tonight i had a 7% wipe, 2-3 16% and the rest of hour where 60%+ pulls ^^"
strong forum
I always said get to p2 before 3rd infernal
Makes p2 infinitely easier
And it's not hard of a dmg check imo
But gotta greed those executes
frail oar
i haven't gotten to that part enough yet ^^
strong forum
Keep at it!
frail oar
and worst case, it seems that timewlaking come backs every 2 weeks starting january
so it shouldn't be too long of a wait
mellow bridge
uhhh
that doesnt sound right at all
every 2 months maybe?
but every 2 weeks does not sound right at all
lofty widget
it's every 3 weeks, the legion timewalking wont be back until early april
frail oar
then too bad ^^
sick sentinel
an annoying memory i have from BFA, the azerite goggles that shrink or increase you at random, and as tauren with avatar would be too big for some doors at random
i remember there was a potion you could take that turns you into a skeleton gnome to never have that problem but i rarely used it
fringe marten
When the timewalking dungeons return people will wanna smash on 'em again because unless the new raid trinkets are extra spiffy it's likely Whetstone/Countermeasure/Writhing..thingie will be top quality trinkets then as well.
I've done like 12 or so Darkhearts and I cannot get that trinket to drop.
What is expected rollout for 9.2?
Yogi that is the noggenfogger elixir sold at uhh..that gnome town in the middle of the desert? I have a bunch in my bank..they're still useful.
Gadgetzan right?
grave crane
I think that’s the one by the caverns of time yeah
sharp yacht
ah wouldnt hierlooms be pretty good gear for mage tower
especcially if you got the weps with socckets\
ionic fern
Anything with sockets is good for MT.
ionic fern
Hello Goodstuffe.
Thank you for your input but you are wrong. MT is too hard and impossible to do unless you have 50 sockets and good RNG on your side.
It has nothing to do with the skill of the player. It is just tuned too hard - so many things to pay attention to..stacks of a debuff, knock offs, various adds..human mind can only pay attention to so many things at once before it becomes overloaded. The first phase all you do is DPS (which is not what tanks are supposed to do in the first place) and IF YOU ARE LUCKY you get to the second phase where you actually get to TANK..but the Annihilate just straight out kills you. I was spamming IP and still getting oneshot by it and for some reason Kruul also started healing to full randomly. The only reasonable thing to do would be to nerf the HP of enemies by 50% and removing Annihilate from Kruul so he only auto attacks.
jagged pier
Hello Goodstuffe.
Thank you for your input but you are wrong. MT is too hard and impossible to do unless you have 50 sockets and good RNG on your side.
It has nothing to do with the skill of the player. It is just tuned too hard - so many things to pay attention to..stacks of a debuff, knock offs, various adds..human mind can only pay attention to so many things at once before it becomes overloaded. The first phase all you do is DPS (which is not what tanks are supposed to do in the first place) and IF YOU ARE LUCKY you get to the second phase where you actually get to TANK..but the Annihilate just straight out kills you. I was spamming IP and still getting oneshot by it and for some reason Kruul also started healing to full randomly. The only reasonable thing to do would be to nerf the HP of enemies by 50% and removing Annihilate from Kruul so he only auto attacks
blazing condor
median tulip
What's that copypasta from?
dawn canyon
Solo prot pala on sludge remains the highest degree of speed minmax ive ever seen
(from pieces for a nathria speedrun)
ionic fern
What's that copypasta from?
Mwahi's head FT. DG feedback
blazing condor
mwahi's head
ionic fern
I hate my head.
I am lazy af and when i go to bed at like 1AM i start getting all these ideas about problems i've had to solve during the day and then i just can't sleep and start writing them down.
dawn canyon
It is extremely fortunate
ionic fern
grave crane
Have you ever had a sleep study done? Those can sometimes pin point why your having trouble falling asleep
grave crane
Understandable I only go once in a long while to get checked up. Hopefully it figures itself out bud
forest atlas
I guess mine is something similar.
I had the same issue and got diagnosed with adhd. Not saying it's your case, but maybe something to keep in mind, no pun intended.
blazing condor
Real gamers have ADAD
faint iron
I noticed the "rant" from mwahi and Jakey - is MT really overtuned or am I just being shit for not being able to complete it?
jagged pier
yer thats a copy pasta
faint iron
So im just shit 🙂 ty 😄
jagged pier
prot warrior is like the second easiest challenege
strong forum
It's a test of patience and keeping at it
jagged pier
in terms of tanks anyways
faint iron
well patience is not my strong suit, so back to it then
jagged pier
make sure u learn somthing ever pull
dawn canyon
HERESY
blazing condor
The F in World Of Warcraft stands for Fun
Also notice none of the letters in the word ”FUN” can be found in the game’s title
Illuminate
ionic fern
So im just shit 🙂 ty 😄
What are you struggling with exactly? Maybe we can help you out.
faint iron
mostly not being patience enough so keep dying to either adds to taking to many stacks. Most of it is rushing to much and not taking enough time in p1 then ofc some stupid stuff like forgetting to dodge a slam at a bad moment or so
forest atlas
prot warrior is like the second easiest challenege
Which is the easiest?
jagged pier
VDH
tame jasper
my brain doesnt turn off thats why i cant faall alseep
Same for me (and same with the things to "be done"
forest atlas
VDH
I did both and VDH annoyed me more since the mobs actually cast shit unlike for warrior. Neither were particularly hard though. Doing guardian today. Expecting to bash my head in for 3 hours.
jagged pier
your a vdh the casts means nothing u have 3 sigils that can stop casts and even then spirit bomb one shots the adds anyway
u cant be knocked off because of glide
forest atlas
Warrior can't be knocked either and no cast > being able to interrupt it
That being said I have played prot once upon a time but never played DH so that's probably why prot felt easier.
strong forum
Vdh is omega chill cuz of all the selfhealing being so unconditional
If you manage the add casts it's practically impossible to die on dh even if you're just dpsing
Then you plan your CDs for annihilates and it's GG
forest atlas
Then you plan your CDs for annihilates and it's GG
Yeah it only took 15 pulls or so, which I guess isn't so bad for me. Got surprised af when they suddenly instakilled me with the cast. Healing challenge and post fix shadowpriest have been the worst so far by a mile.
ionic fern
What do you even do in the healing one?
blazing condor
Heal
mellow bridge
everything
heal cc kite damage
and you cant even heal too much in p4 or you die too
forest atlas
What do you even do in the healing one?
First part is healing 3 NPCs with add waves. Extremely unforgiving, and you need to plan your CDs to the second. There are caster mobs that 2 hit your NPCs and melee that fixate and do aoe. Second part is a solo dps/survivability challenge, and the last part is a boss fight where you have to heal your NPCs while dpsing as much as you can and keeping yourself at or below 50% because of a debuff that makes you explode for your percentage of missing health. I did it as a resto shaman and the first part was 99% of my wipes.
Took me 120 attempts btw (I absolutely suck at healing)
ionic fern
strong forum
Sounds pretty average to me, unless you have already done them alot in legion or on some other char I think 120 attempts is perfectly valid
mellow bridge
the sad part is when you wipe in the last phase
because holy fk it's a long challenge
blazing condor
Its nothing like the impossible p1 of tank challenge
sonic dome
strong forum
It's pretty be believable once you know you can use SI in chicken form
That + bark and you'll live your annihilates
Ezclap
jagged pier
yer thats some degen shit
at least now ppl cant complain
about the challenge
i dont think u could do it as only boomkin pre nerf tbh
kruul would have to much hp
strong forum
BuTt iTs a taNk cHallLenge
jagged pier
KEKW
strong forum
Wtf is this ?
On my DH, both bosses have 25k+ more HP, the horrors almost insta cast that 1 shot spell which needs to be interrupted or killed asap, I am getting like 7 infernals by the 2nd Phase after which becomes a total mess and I cannot see anything...
This druid's version of Kruul MT is not the same as my Vengeance DH's version of MT..
Stop publishing these stupid videos, it's not the same for everyone.
If it was this easy nobody would have complained, but on other classes seems like the encounter is totally different, not like this ... this is total bull$%^& lmao
dawn canyon
Good pasta
jagged pier
Wtf is this ?
On my DH, both bosses have 25k+ more HP, the horrors almost insta cast that 1 shot spell which needs to be interrupted or killed asap, I am getting like 7 infernals by the 2nd Phase after which becomes a total mess and I cannot see anything...
This druid's version of Kruul MT is not the same as my Vengeance DH's version of MT..
Stop publishing these stupid videos, it's not the same for everyone.
If it was this easy nobody would have complained, but on other classes seems like the encounter is totally different, not like this ... this is total bull$%^& lmao
mellow bridge
Wtf is this ?
On my DH, both bosses have 25k+ more HP, the horrors almost insta cast that 1 shot spell which needs to be interrupted or killed asap, I am getting like 7 infernals by the 2nd Phase after which becomes a total mess and I cannot see anything...
This druid's version of Kruul MT is not the same as my Vengeance DH's version of MT..
Stop publishing these stupid videos, it's not the same for everyone.
If it was this easy nobody would have complained, but on other classes seems like the encounter is totally different, not like this ... this is total bull$%^& lmao
almost insta cast 1 shot spell 
sweet summit
muyuu — Today at 1:51 PM
Wtf is this ?
On my DH, both bosses have 25k+ more HP, the horrors almost insta cast that 1 shot spell which needs to be interrupted or killed asap, I am getting like 7 infernals by the 2nd Phase after which becomes a total mess and I cannot see anything...
This druid's version of Kruul MT is not the same as my Vengeance DH's version of MT..
Stop publishing these stupid videos, it's not the same for everyone.
If it was this easy nobody would have complained, but on other classes seems like the encounter is totally different, not like this ... this is total bull$%^& lmao
almost insta cast 1 shot spell
blazing condor
Erga — Today at 1:52 PM
muyuu — Today at 1:51 PM
Wtf is this ?
On my DH, both bosses have 25k+ more HP, the horrors almost insta cast that 1 shot spell which needs to be interrupted or killed asap, I am getting like 7 infernals by the 2nd Phase after which becomes a total mess and I cannot see anything...
This druid's version of Kruul MT is not the same as my Vengeance DH's version of MT..
Stop publishing these stupid videos, it's not the same for everyone.
If it was this easy nobody would have complained, but on other classes seems like the encounter is totally different, not like this ... this is total bull$%^& lmao
almost insta cast 1 shot spell
frail oar
is the first drain life from variss random ?
sometimes he cast it at 3 stacks , sometimes much much later
and i can't find what triggers it
frail oar
:/
blazing condor
at least i found it to be that way
maybe ads spawn at certain intervals but drain life seems to be whenever he feels like it
jagged pier
u can fear from outside the circle
brittle owl
Wtf is this ?
On my DH, both bosses have 25k+ more HP, the horrors almost insta cast that 1 shot spell which needs to be interrupted or killed asap, I am getting like 7 infernals by the 2nd Phase after which becomes a total mess and I cannot see anything...
This druid's version of Kruul MT is not the same as my Vengeance DH's version of MT..
Stop publishing these stupid videos, it's not the same for everyone.
If it was this easy nobody would have complained, but on other classes seems like the encounter is totally different, not like this ... this is total bull$%^& lmao
fathom turtle
hey guys. can some1 show me his raid and m+ soulbind as kyr with its conduits and traits? 🙂
fathom turtle
ok thx 🙂
blazing condor
this is a strict no autophial household
fathom turtle
btw do you guys have any weakaura which shows if i miss %?
frail oar
well, with this pull i've reached my 100th try 🙂
dawn canyon
btw do you guys have any weakaura which shows if i miss %?
I use mdt for Routing
It's the best addon out there for that purpose 
fathom turtle
ye but since im new to tanking, i think its strange to open that addon again and again to check which packs to pull xd
i will proably use dratnos skip routes if u would say i can do so
lofty widget
https://wago.io/_PCyfyfoR this weakaura will announce if you still need % after certain bosses in certain dungeons, for example after third boss in plaguefall, third boss in spires etc
fathom turtle
ah i understand thx 🙂
blazing condor
that one is kinda ass though
unless its another one
because the one in PF doesn't count slimes downstairs for example
brittle owl
w
blazing condor
Didnt know you could customize it
brittle owl
am not fine
blazing condor
Always just see others who run it
brittle owl
sweet summit
frankly
blazing condor
And it always screams at me
sweet summit
that's a skill issue
ionic fern
Just add main tanks to your group as DPS'ers so they can yell at you when ever you miss some %.
sweet summit
dawn canyon
or to skip the 3 aids mobs in sanguine
Least favourite Pack in the game prolly
blazing condor
fuck dps players 😡 😡 😡
sweet summit
jokes on you i was only pretending to be smart
brittle owl
blazing condor
always gotta hit you with the "this won't be enough" bullshit
dawn canyon
Least favourite Pack in the game prolly
PF Island also up there
blazing condor
the whole island isn't chained there fortunately
so you can pull 2x mobs onto the slime tentacle befoer it
to split it up if needed
brittle owl
always gotta hit you with the "this won't be enough" bullshit
pro tip: always have
/s I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing
macro'ed somewhere
lofty widget
but everything on that island is half HP, best trash area imo
brittle owl
dawn canyon
to split it up if needed
Never seen that been done, cheers
dawn canyon
but everything on that island is half HP, best trash area imo
Yea but unfun for dps :) (imo)
lofty widget
heroic throw on the defender will pull him and a slime
brittle owl
Yea but unfun for dps :) (imo)
well this is where you goddang fuged up bucko
we don't care about dps players
dawn canyon
goodbye #protection channel
blazing condor
bye
dawn canyon
don't let the door hit ya
Im a dps, OBVIOUSLY imma get hit by the frontal
brittle owl
sweet summit
what the fuck is a dps
brittle owl
pavement lotion user
dawn canyon
what the fuck is a dps
Does
Persistently
Suck
brittle owl
likes to RP as floor crack filler
dawn canyon
Floorpov 
blazing condor
dick per suck
sweet summit
blazing condor
its a measure ur mom use
ionic fern
PF Island also up there
Wait why?
That PF island is amazing. o.o
dawn canyon
I cant see the swirlies because im blind
Omw to colourblind Filter to make them Red
jagged pier
☝️
ionic fern
The one thing all warriors tanks can agree on
dawn canyon
Good one
ionic fern
DPS blames tanks for not pulling around their CD's -> Tanks blame healers for not being kept alive -> healers blame DPS'ers for standing in shit
The circle of life.
dawn canyon
Wonderful
ionic fern
no its my fault but its a healer problem
Atleast as a tank you can get away with it.
When i DPS i just stand in stuff that i can easily survive as a tank and get one shot.
😦
And then yell at the healer because i just popped my CD's.
sweet summit
blazing condor
wake up babe new skyhold weeklies dropped
sweet summit
tyvm appreciate it
ionic fern
modern brook
Did someone say new skyhold weeklies
ionic fern
jagged pier
i guess thats a yes
sweet summit
bull eu when
sick sentinel
PF Island also up there
Pro tip when you do the tentacle pack after ickus step into the green shit a little but till you can taunt/hero throw the closest mob on island
brittle owl
bull eu when
p sure if he do that the weeb ratio will go bad and the US will nuke the eu
sick sentinel
Then you go back to you tentacle and wait for the 3 things u grabbed to come to your party
jagged pier
bull eu when
TRUE @modern brook
sick sentinel
One of the guys that comes when you do it spawn spider add which is virtually impossible to interrupt at this event
sick sentinel
You won't get the giant on island
ionic fern
I'm confused now.
w/e key level i just charge into the island and it dies.
Stop overcomplicating it.
sick sentinel
I'm talking about the separation combining pack right after ickus
You pul tent +1 and then do what I said it pulls a guy far in back of packwithout the big fucker
ionic fern
Okay, but why do you do this?
sick sentinel
He's balls deep in the group where you pull him from
And you need to keep aggro on tent
So, for warrior tank its not usually feasible
sturdy sable
Just kill the tent then go to the island?
modern brook
TRUE <@!204081428869283843>
Bro hire me
sick sentinel
It makes island twice as easy trust me
modern brook
I'm trying to lie my way into Norwegian citizenship rn ngl
sturdy sable
Island isnt difficult
sweet summit
bro just marry me
sturdy sable
They are half dead
sick sentinel
This is only way I pull pf island now
sturdy sable
Shockwave and AA will stunlock them till they die
modern brook
bro just marry me
sick sentinel
I dunno which guy it is in island pavk but one of them fuckers hurts
Doesn't help anything also fatty with giant green circles too if you just 3head the pull
ionic fern
There's 3 things to do on islands:
1)Interrupt big guy for the "Crawling somethingsomething"
2)Interrupt spider
3)Stun shield
Half the time the pack is dead way before any of them even goes off.
sick sentinel
It's just made me not wipe on pf Island nearly as much so I now refuse to do it any other way
modern brook
Ngl I didn't even know which pull was the island pull
Thays how little I care about that pull
sick sentinel
When I invite people to my keys, welcome to hosetown, population: YOU, I'm ditching the bus for hosetown rv
honest plinth
Just kill the tent then go to the island?
if you pull 2 mobs from island to tentacle your monkeys dpsers will safe their cds for double spider pull near 3d boss, if you dont they wll burst island pull
modern brook
It's true
sick sentinel
the paladin did it for me in this instance
but this is what its supposed to look like more or less, just less scuffed and pulled earlier in combat
ionic fern
if you pull 2 mobs from island to tentacle your monkeys dpsers will safe their c...
I will quote the discussion i had with Erga:
Me:"When do i use my CD's, do i save them for the next pack since this pack dies in 30 seconds and iknow the next pack is big and i need to line everything up in order to maximise my DPS?"
Erga:"Use on CD"
sick sentinel
also, don't take that shared video too seriously
it was with 262 glory and IV on a 13
.>
honest plinth
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
idk maybe Erga is not good as dps, at least Erga is qt
ionic fern
Je @sweet summit you suck
sick sentinel
it was just a random saved dungeon, and honestly id count that as a better dungeon for me,
ionic fern
Cool.
sick sentinel
just what i had saved and uploaded
like, i'm sure you'd get super angry if you had to do a bull review of that one
honest plinth
That pull makes 0 sense.
honest plinth
that it makes sense
ionic fern
It does not.
Doing something in a +13 and doing something in a +29 are 2 completely different things.
honest plinth
thats why they are doing it in world 1st gotcha hahah
ionic fern
In yogi's context it makes zero sense.
ionic fern
thats why they are doing it in world 1st gotcha hahah
Yes, because +29 is the same as +13. 🙂
sick sentinel
it makes the island pack less likely for me to die on and it doesn't cost extra
honest plinth
i mean fore some players 13 equal 29
ionic fern
Are you one of those "I NEED TO USE X BECAUSE THER WORLD FIRST DID IT"
jagged pilot
guys any1 of you know if might of glory is buggy?
modern brook
madwi
ionic fern
guys any1 of you know if might of glory is buggy?
Depends in what sense.
jagged pilot
extends buff only on me but not partymember
jagged pier
thats how its always worked
honest plinth
no? lmao
no . but you are wrong. its not ultra 500 iq skip o something island is just easy for ppl who are doing 5,10,13 or 29 key imo ofc
sick sentinel
errr actually you know, its a fuckin shame nome isn't online rigth now
modern brook
@sick sentinel ask me how im 5 seconds in an am already mad at this key
honest plinth
@sick sentinel i quoted Mwahi but discord failed sorry my man
sick sentinel
but you can ask him i did like, 6 NW in a row with the dratnos route that skips left goes around a gatekeeper, TLDR its extremely sketch and i had to fail that, at least that many times before i realized there are other ways to pull start NW
HONK HONK @modern brook
yeah
i know....
honest plinth
but you can ask him i did like, 6 NW in a row with the dratnos route that skips ...
oh its a shit route man 😄
sick sentinel
thats just the thing though right, it was on the raider io site, which has a desktop addon and weekly routes (literal named that the section) hosted by dratnos one of the top wow players
so i fighured, what the fuck, i saw this gate keeper skip work at least 1 time before, must be just dumb dps not desummoning pets.,... nope...
modern brook
HONK HONK <@!204081428869283843>
sounds muted casue work
you're standing in the exact same spot you were when that dk armyed adds into the pull
sick sentinel
does a tiny mini patrol at his location along with the other timed pat u have to skip
modern brook
pull him back
sick sentinel
(please note, this key was from sometime around 2nd half of 2021
honest plinth
i can show you my start in mdt ( NW) if you want
sick sentinel
i don't pull that LT back because i am scared that i will pull a big slime guy, he does his shit, and heals and we wipe, and people leave
thats why i don't move LT much ok
sick sentinel
i figure if i kill the LT there got more room to play with kiting slimes i guess i just hate to let people down
ionic fern
routes you use on key levels are different depending on groups
Don't bring logic to this.
jagged pier
routes you use on key levels are different depending on groups
thats too big brian
sick sentinel
it might not work but it will set an expectation for those joining that, yes, this IS what you need to do to succeed
honest plinth
copy world first for everything
if its not ultra hard why woildnt you copy it?
errant aurora
Where can I go to buy some gear with gold for my low lvl prot warrior
ionic fern
Auction house?
gaunt dawn
if its not hard to do then yeah, but the expectations of the groups are different
if you outline those expectations
its whatever right
errant aurora
Alright thanks
sick sentinel
like, i don't check any more, but in BFA i would usually check people for flasks and food and dbm versions (all in silent)
because its a great indicator how much effor someone is willing to put in if you invite them and they don't come to stone on own to summon don't flask, don't accept weakauras or update shit
because at the end of the day a +15 is a group effort to time, so its a very quick easy trust check anyone can do
the only time i ever heard about anybody soloing a m+15 was a BDK i seem to recall, so self healing and it took him between like 6-20 hours to complete
ionic fern
You don't need to solo it but you can pretty much solo carry it.
sick sentinel
can you understand things the way i see them through my eyes and world though and that logic makes sense?
ionic fern
What i'm telling you is that if you played properly and took all the advise provided by the people here you could pretty much carry any +15.
sick sentinel
i'll be honest, my ability to read a book or test is absolutely abysmal
and if there is more than 10 words, i tend to not give a shit about what any of it says
sick sentinel
well like you say it's just the basics that i'm somehow not covering right?
so, i just have to do the right thing instead
jagged pier
and if there is more than 10 words, i tend to not give a shit about what any of ...
so all the feedback we've been giving u over months to help u have just ignored
modern brook
so, i just have to do the right thing instead
A really good mentality for imporving is removing the word just from your vocabulary
jagged pier
okay
modern brook
just as an aside
jagged pier
im out
modern brook
sick sentinel
i don't intentionally ignore it i read it, just i get into same scenario and monkey brain takes over
coral quartz
does anyone have a group interrupt availability WA handy they can link?
sick sentinel
i use Ability Team Tracker for that
silently tracks whatever class ability you tell it to for your team
modern brook
does anyone have a group interrupt availability WA handy they can link?
https://wago.io/search/party interrupt trackeryou can also just pick your poison
sick sentinel
i find it handy also to tell people that you will try to do instant, or late interupts generally
and then not as many people freak out waste 4 interupts on 2 guys in 20 seconds
coral quartz
thank you all!
sick sentinel
nothing worse than you miss your pummel into nothing, and then dps doesn't interupt it and your stuck like idiot unable to stop further ones for 15 seconds, meanwhile healer is now busting ass
coral quartz
i call it the no interrupt death cycle
sick sentinel
is that the people coaching me or me
doing same things expecting different results, because i feel like thats both lol
tropic gorge
Yes
:)
modern brook
i call it the no interrupt death cycle
im imagining you in a key yelling "OH NO WE"RE IN A NO INTTERUPT DEATH CYCLE"
sick sentinel
PIECE OF SHIT, COCK IN MY ASS DUDE
fuck, i can't believe we wiped to that, porbably asmon
modern brook
sick sentinel
thats usually what i say whenever i cause some dumb wipe
sweet summit
Je <@!165864577760755712> you suck
wtf man
blazing condor
mom and dad fighting
modern brook
sick sentinel
hey lads, im on tank duty for +15 weeklies this week on warrior, which talents should i use?
just a quick 112321312 would be appreciated
sweet summit
are u a chad or a bitch
sick sentinel
chad
sweet summit
same setup then
sick sentinel
cause my healer is a god
blazing condor
yeah p much
sick sentinel
thanks alot
blazing condor
you could swap AM for bolster for more SB% but you probably dont need it for spamming 15s
so just truck with that setup
honest plinth
am is the way
blazing condor
yup
modern brook
isnt BV better than BSC w/o reprisal for damage or am i nuts and thinking specifically in st
jagged pier
no
sick sentinel
no
sick sentinel
BSC go Brrr,
honest plinth
also seismic for 15s
blazing condor
in 9.0 didn't we run BV with the wall?
i remember it at least
for m+
cus there was a discussion about switching to BSC with rep
mostly because of the rage gain from BV iirc
sick sentinel
9.0 was truly the dark ages
jagged pier
it was more damage and more rage with the wall
honest plinth
in 9.0 didn't we run BV with the wall?
it was tgd
ionic fern
wtf man <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Good senpai
blazing condor
😳
sweet summit
COOLDOWNS ON COOLDOWN
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGK1dr-Ql0w its boomer AF but i listened to most of this while i did the 15 sunday
some VGM is better because there is no vocals to ruin it, so then they can work on the actual beat and sound of the song
modern brook
COOLDOWNS ON COOLDOWN
im with erga just send it
dungeons are 25+ minutes long
you'll get another cast
sick sentinel
and like, why do i care if some dude in 1987 his chevy truck broke down and then so his gf left him and hes not happy, (typical lyrics for a country song in north america) just want the background noise
honest plinth
or you will wipe on next pull coz you wasted cd on dead pack 😄
ocean yoke
hell yeah another sick 1500 research vault
quiet star
what are best trinkets for mage tower?
modern brook
what are best trinkets for mage tower?
arcano crystal :^)
hymnal did really well for me; phial underperforms pretty hard
sick sentinel
here is my tower knowledge, i left it at what it is so i can get a 200 one next
but, i never did any more torgy
2487/max(3510), was seconds away from doing torgy last night in the zone LFG with flask n shit, but i just logged some reason
jagged pier
trinkets really dont matter
quiet star
im trying to help my gf with some nice trinkets, can get all the help she can get 🙏
modern brook
theres not a lot of gearing cheese left on mt unfortuately
even full on oldworld cheesing is like gimmicking stats for 1-2% gains on secondaries
quiet star
dragonling cyclontronic ?
strong forum
modern brook
ass is ass
strong forum
🍑 😔
modern brook
dragonling cyclontronic ?
If shes looking to maximize her MT attempts; she should be focusing on old world gear with a fuck ton of sockets
legion crafter leggos, for example
but you can (and many of us here have) do it in full raid gear, its really just about learning the fight
jagged pier
i mean if shes looking to do the challenge then she should just focus on the mechanics
instead of gear
the challenege is the second easiest tank challenege
modern brook
secondest?
jagged pier
nah it just means my hand type faster than my brain which is true
modern brook
phone auto correct is toxic, nbd
jagged pier
nah thats me on a keyboard thinking so far ahead that my brain mixes second easiest into whatever that was, thnks dyslexia
sick sentinel
phone auto correct is toxic, nbd
i charge my phone and it dies in literal less than 2 hours later screen time or 12 hours wifi
i don't want to hear about how shitty your phone is lol
rotund thicket
hey, i saw a clip of a monk reflecting the dot back to devos with defuse magic, shouldnt it be able with Spellreflect too if monk can do it?
blazing condor
you mean the one from the bubble blast?
jagged pier
SR and diffuse magic work differently
blazing condor
im pretty sure we deflect that one
rotund thicket
i mean the debuff that spawns a circle around you if it gets dispelled
sick sentinel
i have an ipad like thing and its fast, but broke the screen
sick sentinel
is what it is
rotund thicket
it basicly worked like the reflect on inerva but only for monk?
blazing condor
we just absorb them then take 20% less damage
modern brook
SR and diffuse magic work differently
this; basically
sick sentinel
it works great, just cracked screen so thats how im talking to u guys very late at night o early am
modern brook
they're different abilities that interact differently.
jagged pier
☝️
rotund thicket
meh, thats sad
modern brook
🤷 spell reflect let us do stupid shit in the past
like reflecting tornados and shit
im ok with letting monk remove a dot that we cant
sick sentinel
who is in charge of the reflect guide
blazing condor
Wasnt it sense
modern brook
although tbh they should reneame it to spell deflect :/
with how little fun they let us have with it this expac
blazing condor
LMFAO right+????
sick sentinel
im in the rogue discord now looking at their docs,
and they do this, SHOULD it be used? i like that touch, especially for tank
modern brook
i mean if its blockable or reflectable you should block or reflect it 🤷 comparing our active mit + a 25 second cd to 2 minute immunities is kind of a non starter
theres def some nuance on spell reflect, but generally theres either the thing you hold it for, or you just pop it on cd
sick sentinel
its sort of like the problem i have with reflects is i have to verfy that he's casting a spell, and its at me, and its something i can relfect and then do i have to/should? can it be interupted avoided? all of those checks have to click in head that ah yes this is good time
rotund thicket
and then you have spells like Ranger's Heartseeker which deflect the inital dmg but you get the dot anyway 😂
modern brook
its sort of like the problem i have with reflects is i have to verfy that he's c...
Which spells are random target vs aggro table should come with dungeon knowledge - which is another reason i always stress that prot warrior si like 75% homework. also i believe there are target of target addons
sick sentinel
bolts and curses typically
are the very first ones i'd go after, i'll try to reflect any bolt
what if there was something that if you succesfully spell reflect something, it either gets spell locked or silenced for some seconds
cinder pasture
Nah, just bring back gag order
sick sentinel
wtf is that, some kind of foriegn legion terminology that i never heard of because i joined 8.0 bfa
i heard something cool about gladiator stance
sick sentinel
and no, gag order was too much OP, i never played with it, but anybody with half a brain cell knows if you runn around near permasilencing enemies its alot easier to kill em, go figure
modern brook
tbh the only thing i think is missing from prot warrior gameplay is a sudden death proc
gimme something to look forward to in my dps cycle :/
sick sentinel
so, what your saying with NF is when i do that ability, it just keeps chain knocking down enemies, and they can't cast or do much of shit during that time
i never played NF really
cuz, that gives you better silence for fort weeks, and the cheat death with the pod
blazing condor
Deez wuts
modern brook
first strike is over there, yeah
distant crystal
pod is also just kinda lame for tanks
modern brook
would you like a) the equivlent of 4 high-crit rings or b) a proc that things walk out of?
distant crystal
i'd usually rather just die and get rezzed instead of sitting in pod while theh pack rampages through my party
distant crystal
oof
an rsham in my guild paid 1m gold for that trinket
so he could use it on painsmith since he loves to eat spikes
modern brook
yessh
distant crystal
ended up being benched
sick sentinel
prot warrior WILL return to great glory some day have faith and always stay the course
rotund thicket
how are you suviving p3 mythic sylvi? it feels like im running out of cds at the end of the 3rd plattform
distant crystal
externals are gud
sick sentinel
never ever give up frens, we will make it
mellow bridge
you are prolly using too much stuff at little amount of stacks
at least that was my issue
distant crystal
make sure you're getting the most out of GS/ironb0rk/painsup and suchh
getting those set up as a rotation helped our tanks a TON in p3
rotund thicket
i play with the wall and use SW for every 2nd tank combo, every other i use SR + Aegis or SR + Demo or SR + LS
sick sentinel
what
sick sentinel
so he wants a fuckin soulstone too?
distant crystal
yep
sick sentinel
and a priest thingy no die
sick sentinel
how about his own personal AMZ just for him, don't think its magic dmg but cant hurt to try
and bops
rotund thicket
so, reprisel fine, what would you use for the tank combo in general? and yes im the boss tank for the most part
mellow bridge
it depends at how high stacks you are already
and what is going to happen afterwards
if you are at 0 stacks, even just sb ip sr is 100% fine
you wont drop below 70% with that
the more stacks you have/the longer you are keeping them, the stronger your CD should be
so if at e.g. 3 stacks, I would use sb ip demo for the next combo
then probably consider SW for the next if you still have to sit on those stacks
use aegis if you got that, it's straight up busted
even hc ilvl
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qRphx3ZfjtgwvcCT#fight=31&type=summary this is my most recent sylv kill as a warr if you can read logs and want to take a look at it
I'm not the best but I dont struggle with her anymore
oh and a tip I can give you for platform 3
when you jump over to it, she will always double combo your ass and give you 7 stacks
aegis just negates that entire sequence
then you get scream while at 7 stacks into another combo into veil at 10 stacks iirc
that's def a SW or strong external moment
platform 3 is by far the hardest part for tanks, you need to get there with CDs ready and call for externals if needed
weary lodge
arms/fury main... can I get a quick refresher on how haste affects prot? does haste=rage=damage/defensives?
ionic fern
More haste = more rage gain = more rage spent on defensives/offensives = more AM value etcetcetc
From a tanking PoV it smoothens your damage intake by reducing the CD on SB etc.
rotund thicket
when you jump over to it, she will always double combo your ass and give you 7 s...
ye, i felt that. i usually let my DH tank take those and just intervene him, so we both take half the dmg
what are your dispel timing for the 2nd and 3rd platform? it feels like we keep the stacks for too long. i cant see where the puddles spawn in the logs, so i assume you had some lucky spawns? or do your dps just give a shit about taking them while spread for veil?
wild hemlock
prot warrior WILL return to great glory some day have faith and always stay the ...
what are you on about
mellow bridge
uhhh
i dont know the exact timings not gonna lie
but you generally dont have to carry the stacks around the entire time
you need space for veils and screams, but inbetween those you dont need to carry em usually
altho I think I do carry them from fury to fury mostly, but you dont have to
rotund thicket
ill give it a try and dont use cds for every combo, our best try was at last fury of 3rd platform/start platform 4 so i guess we're almost in killrange
(ppl dying to deathknifes before the raze is comming)
blazing condor
But why
distant crystal
one of our tanks was struggling to live in p3
did some log review and found spots he could save a cd or use a cd, boss died in 3 pulls the next night
sick sentinel
sometimes the tanks need to get healed
sweet summit
show mount @distant crystal
distant crystal
no mount
sweet summit
distant crystal
but, we had a husband wife duo and one of them got a mount
shared bnet so that's a two-fer
chilly brook
sometimes the tanks need to get healed
Trust me I know
I cri
I also am bad
Ask Jakey
blazing condor
Grats on the 76 pink parse
sick sentinel
thats final fantasy
what kind of pug healers do you typically try to avoid not to do with ilvl or score things, i tend to avoid monk healers mostly, but priests are iffy due to dual healer talents
inland raft
A good mistweaver is as well
jagged pier
And venthyr paladins if i can as they spend more time dpsin than healing
sick sentinel
i hate most heal monk did in bfa
too little of trickle heal, too much giga bubble focus
it just seems like they are 2 trick ponies, a big green aoe heal and a giga bubble, ROP but you could argue dps would have that too
inland raft
Monks are super comfy if your playing right warrior doesnt take big damage
chrome zealot
Monks were my favorite healer to tank for in BFA. Especially when they hit crane on a big pull no way to die 😄
inland raft
Half the time font is all need to stay up
sick sentinel
we had a monk healer in BFA in my guild he was okay healer but i remember we went to do some grevious WCM and we got to first boss 3 witches and we got fuckin giga DELETED
absolute crushing victory, wipe try again, same thing
chrome zealot
Probably more of the player than the class at fault. Witches did slap on tyrannical though
sick sentinel
tyranical grevious witches was total cancer
group wide damge 2nd witch, and then everyones grevious
even the paladin hated grevious too
inland raft
Grievous was rough in bfa in general
sick sentinel
i experienced alot of the affixes before they got fixed in bfa few of them got tweaked like fucking yellow rats or some shit in siege would bolster elites
so, you pull 7 rats an accidently agro some dude, now hes 500k hp
inland raft
I dont play healer but for aoe healing i believe monk gets essence font up then just triages with vivifys and it should be fine but idk i dont play healer ever only have a very shallow knowledge of what they do but just know never had an issue with monk
Disc is only healer ive ever been wary of
chrome zealot
Yeah siege was rough on bolstering. So many non elites with elite packs
inland raft
On flip side could abuse bolstering too
inland raft
One shotting last boss tentacles with spotters was always fun
sick sentinel
trampler was terrifying, cuz of what he would do to group 😦
inland raft
Just side step?
sick sentinel
the 3 giants as well
yeah, well, if they weren't looking for it or too late they get hit, stunned probably deleted
inland raft
But thats a player skill problem
Nothing on siege was overly difficult it was just annoying on certain weeks
sick sentinel
it is, but the thing it doesn't matter if its a skill problem once its occured, at that moment you are now in the shit or in the cooking pan so to speak
once its occured, you have to find a way to weasel out of it
inland raft
Honestly td was the only dungeon that i hated because you were always one bugged multi floor pull away from disaster
Wcm to a lesser extent but not as often
sick sentinel
wcm was only bad if you didn't get instant left door to go 3 witches immediately
dead simple pulling if that opens
sick sentinel
i hated the bridge one
jagged pier
I didnt like any bfa dungeon that why i didnt do m+
jagged pier
I only do them now cause @mwahi forces me
strong forum
They weren't particularly great, but WCM and Freehold hard carried m+ in bfa
S4 ML also owned hard
inland raft
Even the less fun ones had great aesthetics imo
strong forum
Na. Bfa dungeons were pretty shit, but still better than SL dungeons
Oh right, mechagon dungeons, they also carried bfa m+
Freehold, WCM, Mechagons
sick sentinel
there was many many many weeks when i would just do a single +10 or +15 FH and be done with keys lol
fail or no
inland raft
Pretty much
blazing condor
me: im gonna push rio and become top player
also me: i fucking hate this game so much
inland raft
I like m+ in theory but not in practice
sick sentinel
some weeks i was doing 10 keys, but like they were 10-14 keys instead after 5 keys
blazing condor
no friends
strong forum
In bfa I said if SL pvp is good im gonna push for glad, pvp was good but the game wasn't
So I didnt..
sick sentinel
im not good enough to run 10 15s in a week
blazing condor
boo
strong forum
inland raft
The dungeons being built from ground up for m+ in mind makes them less fun
sick sentinel
this dk and paladin, all they ever did when we weren't doin keys was they would do arenas together
inland raft
Legion was fun even though i only played a but over a month of it but the dungeons felt like they were designed first and m+ was added later to them
blazing condor
m+ kinda cripples it
because you cant really go crazy with the designs
lest to ruin MDI
strong forum
(outside of terrible boss tuning)
blazing condor
and m+ push
inland raft
Its a tricky position to be in, on one hand m+ is a great system to make 5 mans into a type of end game content, but on other hand the dungeons being built around the system sucks. If they didnt care about trying to make it esports woulda been way better i think
sick sentinel
why not design half the dungeon for turtle players and half for speed runners?
jagged pier
Because thats just shit design for the dungeons for turtle players will just not be fun
mighty valley
think there's a happy medium... the freedom in legion dungeons is cool but it's SO unplanned that it just feels silly when you're like... ok we cleared a room, now we can speedrun the bosses and skip literally everything else
also they've gotten better at vfx and spell readability, there's a lot of extremely random getting sniped by a trash spell from 60 yards away
and god the boss tuning is all over the place
tazavesh seems like it's gonna be a little more like legion dungeons, more open plan
sick sentinel
see like here is sort of what i mean, you can count the 17 pixels sure
but when your fighting the imp, its extremely easy to know what hes doing, because he does special pose, and it looks and acts like a fireball,
jagged pier
tazavesh seems like it's gonna be a little more like legion dungeons, more open ...
Dont get baited in to think that with the open format there will be the short and easiest route
Was the same in free hold
Same in eoa in legion
jagged pier
Eurgh
mighty valley
i mean there's no way you can design a dungeon without it getting optimized pretty fast, unless you randomize somehow
but compare to something like TOP where you're limited to room by room
sick sentinel
i rememeber when i would try to run FH by going left to first boss, didn't know better
mighty valley
there's more possibility for pushing for huge pulls etc
distant crystal
i rememeber when i would try to run FH by going left to first boss, didn't know ...
that's...what most ppl do?
chilly brook
i rememeber when i would try to run FH by going left to first boss, didn't know ...
That's like what everyone did
Don't think there were many people who went down and to the right until s4 when the ob was down there
distant crystal
ppl did that on launch briefly
distant crystal
for no good reason afaik
jagged pier
1 was usual until s4
wild hemlock
im not good enough to run 10 15s in a week
ive offered you help multiple times lolol
bronze marten
I haven't tanked in forever, is prot warrior just...slow now? There's no filler attack?
sweet summit
no filler, very fast
bronze marten
It's just shield slam, thunderclap, revenge (when available)
jagged pier
U revenge more than just with the free proc
ripe fjord
Yeah revenge when you have excess rage and you arnt ever capping your rage
bronze marten
hmmm okay
sweet summit
revenge is your main rage spender for the most part (except for shield block of course)
mighty valley
empty gcds are extremely rare
chilly brook
im not good enough to run 10 15s in a week
You're as good as you want to be
plush tendon
Im not good enough to run 10 15s a week either.... too much effort
I can do 1 maybe 2 If I get coerced
distant crystal
i did 10 on multiple toons when the patch was new 😮
sweet summit
illness
distant crystal
true
i also used to do 5masks on like 8 toons before it was completely faceroll
plush tendon
Maybe up until like last two weeks, I was doing probably 12-20 keys a week (mostly 22+)
blazing condor
Are you a wow sub or a wow dom
mellow bridge
who needs dmg legendaries for that anyways
mists
havent played a key on my warr in ages, felt good to blast again lmao
sweet summit
mellow bridge
do we not have a revenj emote
blazing condor
My only good m+ run is that 16 NW i did like 3 months ago and i’m still rank 10 on damage
mellow bridge
M+ dps ranks 
sick sentinel
giganta and hes lowest dps
wtf
thats like equilivant that i name my self tank and then i turn back to mobs
cinder pasture
You already do though 😜
sick sentinel
do we not have a revenj emote
since revenge stems from the word vengeance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhv_yFMuwxs
mellow bridge
That ww only had like 195 ilvl or something like that
Was a friend of the healer iirc
Didn't care, just blasted it anyways
sick sentinel
i'll spare you guys the details but the long story short is the lock died on every single fight and the monk got mad and left at the final boss, so now i'm pissed off and not playing wow for the week
ocean yoke
thats the world of warcraft i know
tacit gorge
for helping friends with low keys as kyrian is EM + Bonegrinder a thing for tanks? or stay reprisal?
ocean yoke
low keys you can definitely do that to pump
mighty valley
for helping friends with low keys like... do absolutely anything, have fun
urban portal
waxen orbit
distant crystal
shaman needs to go enh smh
blazing condor
3 fury dps as well lol
jagged pier
not even 4 prots git gud
strong forum
3 fury
rotund thicket
is there a sheet for legion spellreflect stuff too?
strong forum
Uuuh... Probably
rotund thicket
i found the link to the old one but it got deleted
and id like to know what i can SR in legion m+ 😄
strong forum
Find out! (should be alot more than in SL)
mental tide
how did you guys feel about protection warrior in 9.2
strong forum
Anywhere between "meh" and "can almost catch up to other tanks in boss dmg"
Hope this helps!
brittle owl
i feel it's the only brown tank in the game atm
jagged pier
have to be careful tho SR worked differently in legion
rotund thicket
how do you feel about it
feels like every other tank get some cool new stuff/mechanic, we just get more dmg
strong forum
They don't really get cool mechanics, it all just translates to dmg
Besides vdh's potential rework and I guess bdk
jagged pier
just bring mop vengeance back
only dps'ers care about it
and who cares about them
blazing condor
I dont recall the name of the boss after garalon
Wing commander something?
That dude
Thats the guy you want
forest atlas
just bring mop vengeance back
1,2 million dps prot paladins 
jagged pier
blazing condor
Its a good week
Every tyr week is pretty good this season tbh
Raging isnt a problem and doesnt make tyrannical worse so thats kewl
blazing condor
Skihold
robust rover
i'll spare you guys the details but the long story short is the lock died on eve...
You should just queue 15-16 dungeons. Your gear is fine, you must know routes/dungeons well enough with all the 10-14's you have done. You will usually find better quality players too I feel (higher gear/skill), which will make these keys easier. Better vault loot.
jagged pier