protection

[vestal moat]

Is eternal stats on chest now the play over eternal skirm?

[sweet summit]

skirmish should be a bit better on ST, and stats should be better on multiple targets

[blazing condor]

[lofty widget]

can you leap over the spiked balls on painsmith?

[mellow bridge]

yes but it's pretty unreliable

and you have to spacebar jump before

[sweet summit]

i have about a 50% success rate with it

[lofty widget]

hmmm

[mellow bridge]

iirc you have to pass the balls at the highest point of your leap

[sweet summit]

(i have only tried twice)

[lofty widget]

so be like 3-4 squares away?

[blazing condor]

Based experimenting

50% success rate it is

[sullen valve]

daily reminder
Tank's job is to lose HP so others don't
not do damage
@ionic fern

[ionic fern]

Why you do me dirty like this.

😦

[sullen valve]

because i haven't been reworked to be better for you

[blazing condor]

Sooo if i go full dps gear

Then i’ll lose hp faster

Meaning i do my job better

[rose furnace]

But if you do too much damage the mobs will die before they kill you

[sweet summit]

silence, healer

[chilly brook]

I'm beginning to understand this

[agile pumice]

this week has been especially bad

idk if all the good players are playing ff or something

[blazing condor]

All good players dont play anymore

Why would you push rio now if youre already good

Same with raids. You got it all by now

[sweet summit]

wdym i still play

[jagged pier]

i still dont have sly shield

so incorrect

[blazing condor]

I said good players

[brittle owl]

brainlet smol pp take. so wrong smh

[blazing condor]

[brittle owl]

if tanks shouldn't do damage, explain shield slam and revenge @sullen valve

i thought so 😌

[lime urchin]

Because some people like to play m+

Even when bad

[blazing condor]

That is very evident 🙂

But i am just bitter

So dont listen to my grump

[brittle owl]

don't be bitter

just get better

[blazing condor]

[sullen valve]

Its a way to keep threat. That is all

A way to force the mobs to keep on you instead of the dps

[brittle owl]

hope you like being pavement lotion cause i'm about to take threat from your bones

[blazing condor]

D:

If the mobs arent supposed to be on dps

[sullen valve]

Good luck with that

[blazing condor]

Then why do dps have taunts

[brittle owl]

easy

dps players are depressed and need a button to end it all

[sullen valve]

Where is the DPS player?

[blazing condor]

intervene as arms

[brittle owl]

beggining of the instance because he released like a monkey

[blazing condor]

ook ook

[sullen valve]

Sounds like they stood in fire. Not my fault. Can't heal a 1 shot

[chilly brook]

Explain ashen hallow checkmate

[sullen valve]

Not a real ability

[blazing condor]

How u gonna have a santa hat on another hat

[sullen valve]

Easily

[chilly brook]

Someone explain to me how a guardian druid does less dps than a blood do

[sick sentinel]

what would make someone like me want to roll DK for tank?

i don't fuck with monks and druids

could transfer 34 druid but then i'd have to lvl him still

[modern brook]

Dks have a swprd

Bears only have bear claws

[blazing condor]

I have a fish

Still packs a mean punch

[waxen vale]

Mass grips

Main reason to play dk for me

But none anymore since they are utter trash atm

Back in bfa they wrre cool

Typically their secondary stat scaling makes them good end exp tho

They get huge health pool

But I think it's gonna take a little more than that this timr

[fringe marten]

Every tank can do cutting edge, every tank can push decent M+ keys..some just start stronger, and or are mechanically easier to manage. Sire Denathrius is the only boss I can think of in a while that some tanks couldn't do every 'part' of the fight.

That either required a certain covenant or the assistance of another class (warlock).

[waxen vale]

Dude I recall a lot of tanks getting absolutely slapped on sludgefust pre nerf

Dk prime among

But even my pal

[sick sentinel]

if my balls were bigger i would push more keys with my 262 glory

[waxen vale]

Only monks and prot warr could do that Voss first couple weis

Weeks

[fringe marten]

Hm? I don't remember when we did it but we did it as Prot war/Guardian Druid and it was fine.

[sick sentinel]

i did a 13 pf as glory 262 with impending victory 🙂 +2 chest

[waxen vale]

Yea guard too

[fringe marten]

I think it was like week 2 or 3 of mythic? I don't remember.

[waxen vale]

It might have been like the 2nd week of rain or even the 1st week to be honest

[fringe marten]

In that time I know DH's were doing it, I know paladins were doing it..pretty sure a BDK could pull it off, maybe they'd have to ask for an external I dunno?

[waxen vale]

Big nerf to sludge

I could have done it on my Paladin but it was borderline

[sick sentinel]

baldy man bitched a bunch that he wasn't able to kill sludge so they nerfed him yeah, i remember that

wiped all day to him

[waxen vale]

And the problem with it was some Warrior cotank would heroic leap away or a monk would barrel roll and I would get clapped so I got kicked that first week

[fringe marten]

I mean I did ? Whatever that bridge boss was in Legion..the one that just stacked a fire DoT..? That warriors 'couldn't' do..Yeah that guy ate my face but we pushed through it finally; I wasn't even the bottleneck it was the dps not killing the fire orbs quickly near the end that was.

[waxen vale]

Just one mistake from a cotank using a mobility would cost me a life

But even if it was perfect it was honestly borderline through put

Monks guardians and proud Warriors seem to be fine

[sick sentinel]

bleh, i have to do a 15, and its halls tempted to just swap to kliea for the immunities, only a 15 right?

[fringe marten]

Well yeah but that's "if my cotank messed up and killed me with a mechanic.." everyone had to deal with chains on that boss. And yes within a few pulls you realize you can't just leap out and charge in; you simply had to play the fight as 'intended' and walk back and forth.

[sick sentinel]

yup, there are times when you want to 3, 4 and 5 head the fight accordingly as a group

[fringe marten]

Halls is booty 'cause of the nuke damage from the vampires but at a 15 it's ...equip seismic boots..go ham~

[sick sentinel]

there are tons of "do nothing bosses" this week especially

you just fart at them and they fall over, all the trash is the scary part

[fringe marten]

Speaking of which..I should get back to mashing my face into Darkheart thicket..

I got the whetstone; I want the tank trink from darkheart and then the other dps trink from vault..no idea why I'm doing it though LOL

I think I want to play next tier with a Trackball.. I just feel that making the game hardmode and uncomfortable at the same time is the right play.

[mellow bridge]

VDH was literally part of every world first kill in that tier

Saying only warr and monk could do it is a joke lmao

And bdk isn't "utter trash", they're strong rn

[fringe marten]

I know; that's why I'm saying it's so rare that a tank legit CANNOT handle an encounter; Warrior vs whatever the bridge boss in legion (in night hold) was one of the worst balances in a long time and we could still manage to get through it.

[mellow bridge]

Yeah ik that you know

[mellow bridge]

I'm referring to this

The only relevant monkaS fights in the last two tiers would've been very early paladin on sire and probably warr on sylv

[fringe marten]

What sucked is that we had to deal with that tier for a little bit; it was a little while into Night Hold before we got the 'patch' that helped warriors. That was when they reduced the CD of spell reflect and added or? increase the mitigation of it? I can't fully remember LOL.

[mellow bridge]

Every other fight is just copium

And even then both tanks were represented in the top 20 respectively probably

[fringe marten]

LOL tell me about it~ I tanked through Sylvanas (after various nerfs to the encounter) but she was still a bastard.

[sick sentinel]

wasn't too bad, besides get knocked into some trash i didn't want to and then die to next

[fringe marten]

EZCLAP SON..nice work

[blazing condor]

I remember 8.0 warrior being ass asf

Couldnt block ranged attacks

IP was on GCD

[jagged pier]

we werent ass if played correctly

if played at top lvl it was one of the best tbh

[blazing condor]

i still played and had no problems

Not saying we were objectively bad to play. But compared to today it felt ass

[lime urchin]

what a chonky chonker

but alliance has shield problem, anyone found a decent solution?

meh whatever, I dont like the mog that much anyway

[ionic fern]

Don't mog at all.

Smh.

[lime urchin]

cant beat the panda-hat imo

[blazing condor]

Panda hat gang

[brittle owl]

idk i prefer to put a noose on pandaren

[lime urchin]

Hm I see

[young galleon]

WHats the best talent and soulbind (kyrian) for more dps? currently gearing and doing suuper low keys

[ionic fern]

Have you checked any of the guides?👀

Soulbind = Mika.

[young galleon]

thank you 🙂

[blazing condor]

3112231 gang

[strong forum]

Hell yeah

[brittle owl]

ravej

[sweet summit]

jevenj

[lime urchin]

Woijioj

[sweet summit]

[brittle owl]

[blazing condor]

pjotecjion

[brittle owl]

wjosls ojsf wjoljojat

[blazing condor]

yes thats very good mael

[strong forum]

Wojak?

[jagged pier]

[sweet summit]

[blazing condor]

🔫

[brittle owl]

skyhold fell in the deepfrier today

[blazing condor]

Valarjarj

[jagged pier]

we all dried out cause channel is and we all in DG now

[modern brook]

Good morning:)

[jagged pier]

[brittle owl]

[modern brook]

[ionic fern]

Why are you all speaking polish.

[ionic fern]

Stop bullying DG. They got their hands full with all the "MAGE TOWER SO HARD" people as it is.

[sweet summit]

pjot wajjioj jevej

[jagged pier]

im actually not bully i got and help ppl or try to

but no one believes me when i say u dont need gear

and that the challenge is now easy after the multiple nerfs

[ionic fern]

Did they nerf it again?

[jagged pier]

yer the pool in p1 is .5 yards smaller

so u can just swipe and thrash outside easier

[ionic fern]

Why does that even matter?

[jagged pier]

u could do it before

[ionic fern]

o.o

[jagged pier]

the thrash and swiping for ppl that 'cant'/ dont like boomkin form

because apprently thats not part of being a guardian druid

u know shapeshifting

[ionic fern]

But..why would they make it smaller then?

Isn't it then just legit as prot warr?
Go in->6 stacks->Go out

?

What

[jagged pier]

yes

but ppl bad

[ionic fern]

🤔

[jagged pier]

and ppl complain alot

[brittle owl]

maj tojejj

[ionic fern]

Can we start complaining about prot warrior one also?
i got knocked off once.

I don't like that.

[jagged pier]

the change basically means u dont need to care where u stand

[ionic fern]

Plz remove knock off.

[jagged pier]

unironically

ppl have asked for that in DG

[ionic fern]

....................................................

I wonder how many of them are mythic raiders.

[brittle owl]

there was a dude

[mellow bridge]

getting knocked off is the only relevant part in those challenges ngl

[brittle owl]

complaining bout annihilate

[jagged pier]

mwahi its so bad sometimes

[brittle owl]

while not having SI bound

[jagged pier]

☝️

[sweet summit]

just dh and the knock isn't relevant

[jagged pier]

was still in his spellbook

[blazing condor]

Just get it lol

Just beat it

Whats the problem

Others have done it.

[jagged pier]

i mean ive done all the tank challeneges

[humble tendon]

Nerf everything so 3 year old can do the content haha

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

like mwahi i got called toxic for suggesting ppl should just spend time learning the mechanics instead of farming gear

[strong forum]

"Sir im KSM and 10/10hc so I'm not a terrible player and I still find it overtuned"

[jagged pier]

cause its likely they will kill it

[jagged pier]

all this a lot

[humble tendon]

Game should be as it is. U can do an achiev fine. You can't? Npz that is how it is.

[blazing condor]

1. do you have the skill to beat MT?
2. if yes - brute force until you learn it and get it

if no - farming gear wont help you

[brittle owl]

rong

overtune

nerf now

[blazing condor]

[jagged pier]

the problem with the guardian challenege is because they locked this form behind it, which means its u know this extra thing, and ppl believe they should have it

like last week someguy with saying he was entilted to it because he pays a sub

also ppl saying the MT should be for all players

[brittle owl]

g druij bad

[jagged pier]

when its not

and it never is supposed to be for everyone

[humble tendon]

But the spirit should be for some things to be unique. Not everyone gets it

[blazing condor]

ah yes the old "i'm a paying customer so i should always be right!"

[jagged pier]

thats the entire point

[blazing condor]

🤢

also MT is for every player

doesnt mean youre entitled to beat it though

[strong forum]

👏

[ionic fern]

It is for all players. 🤔

You can hop in it...if you fail it that's on you.

🤷

[brittle owl]

idk cosmetics items such as this belong in the best form of wow content, the cash shop!

[jagged pier]

like ive called a few ppl out in DG cause they are like 'i do 15s and hc raid but this is impossible, way overtuned' and then u hit em with a 'sound like u think your better than u are' KEKW that shuts em up

[sweet summit]

SO TRUE BESTIE !

[brittle owl]

it should be a flex of card skills!

[ionic fern]

Well, tanking a +15 on a guardian is kinda..sleeper.

[blazing condor]

tanking on a guardian*

[brittle owl]

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

I'm like 220 ilvl with 190 UFR and i just faceroll through everything.

[jagged pier]

no as it should be doable for all players which it is, but what they actually mean is it should be 'easily' doable for everyone ergo free loot and not a challenge

[jagged pier]

👏

[blazing condor]

👏

[ionic fern]

Oh, yes.
Lets base the difficulty of all the content on the lowest skill lever players. That's definitely healthy for the game.

[blazing condor]

was there as many people who complained about CM in MoP and the armor sets?

[brittle owl]

who cares about health

[blazing condor]

i dont remember

[brittle owl]

when i can spend money!

[jagged pier]

no

same with CMs in WoD

[blazing condor]

I dont remember that being a thing either

[jagged pier]

MT there was an outcry when it first came out

[brittle owl]

mop was what

2012?

[jagged pier]

but then disappeared

[blazing condor]

yea

[brittle owl]

well

[blazing condor]

2013 i fink

i did a few CMs but didnt do all of them for whatever reason

[brittle owl]

we didn't have trump back then to radicalize all the karens

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

I mean..idc if they make a "easy mode" version but then remove the rewards from it..🤷

[brittle owl]

howbout

[blazing condor]

people would still cry lol

[brittle owl]

easy mode version

with ALL the rewards

[jagged pier]

ppl have asked for that which im fine with but whats the point in it then KEKW

[blazing condor]

the mental on some people is just way too retarded tbh

[ionic fern]

No idea.
People are weird.

[lime urchin]

I dont get it, it really isnt hard at all, it just requires some commitment to practise and get it done

[blazing condor]

they're basically saying "i play this game the way i want and i have no ambitions to improve at the game"

[jagged pier]

or 'different rewards'

[brittle owl]

No idea.
People are weird retarded.

fixd

[blazing condor]

how can you not want to get better at your hobby

[ionic fern]

Weird. 🙂

[jagged pier]

tbf i will say this the druid one now is much much easier than it was pre nerf

[ionic fern]

Well, one of my friends just plays as a casual..runs around and picks flowers and what not. Doesn't even do higher than mythic 0's.

[brittle owl]

why get better when you can drag the entire system down to your level

[ionic fern]

He tried mage tower..failed miserably...was funny.

[blazing condor]

thats fine

[jagged pier]

some ppl just want to do professions

[blazing condor]

but as long as he doesnt complain about it yaknow

idk its just weird to me

[jagged pier]

like some ppl want to be like the best BS or whatever on the server but that doesnt work cause profs are shit

[blazing condor]

i always try and be as good as possible at what i do if i like it

its not fun to be bad

[lime urchin]

I really enjoyed the MT, even while it took me around 100 tries

I relearned a lot about our class, I am not ashamed to admit

[jagged pier]

thats how it should be

[lime urchin]

(shield block improves shield slam damage, sorry)

[jagged pier]

but for like 90% of players they dont want to learn they are shit

and the game doesnt let them do that, as u face roll 90% of content

so most players just like face roll and when they hit somthing hard they just dont do it

cause 'im not bad, game is overtuned'

[brittle owl]

'i'm not bad, game bad, should come down to my reasonable normal level'

obviously

[jagged pier]

like there was a guy complaining he couldnt do it

because he didnt have the gear

i told him i did it pre nerf without gear

and he was like well u obivously play druid

and i was like no go look at my char

then he was like u obivously raid and do m+

of course i do thats what i do in the gam

[brittle owl]

HA

[jagged pier]

i suggested because he doesnt do that content

[brittle owl]

elitist!

gotcha

[jagged pier]

maybe MT wasnt for him

and then yer

what mael said

oh and ppl saying if its done in 25 attempts thats not free content

🤔

[brittle owl]

honestly you all put too much heart into people struggling and choking on copium

just sit back

grab your mouse

and enjoy the show

right click copy some spergs wall of text complain from time to time

[inland raft]

Jake your wrong mage tower is for me to learn absolutely nothing and then say its overtuned until i get my free mog

[jagged pier]

[brittle owl]

[lime urchin]

ngl, every time I saw Jakey writing MT is easy while I couldnt get through p1 still, I thought that all the time

[jagged pier]

i mean the prot one is one of the easier ones

like no meme

[lime urchin]

aye

[jagged pier]

i do have my backing of prot warrior to say that and i did them all in legion as well

like its of course going to be easier for me than most ppl

[lime urchin]

its all good, the fact that most people think gear is the problem, I am making an absolute fortune on the AH

[jagged pier]

i mean true

there is that side of it

[brittle owl]

that's the spirit

remember kids

[jagged pier]

but ppl legit complain about how much gold they spent on stuff

[brittle owl]

someones source of salt is your source of money

[sweet summit]

can i sell salt?

[brittle owl]

this is a very good example about percieved difficulty

esp with bear

people dodnt cry that much in other tank discos

not nearly as much as in dg

[jagged pier]

apprently prot paladin and vdh was quite bad

[brittle owl]

because bear current iteration has a very low skillfloor

felhammer was quiet lmao

havoc was harder

and there was that one pasta yeah from how

[jagged pier]

yer but like umm maybe wow forums about them then

like VDH was a joke

paladin semi joke

[brittle owl]

its a statistical thing innit

[jagged pier]

bdk i only did after the nerf

[brittle owl]

need x amount of complaints on wow forums for them to bleed into class disxs

[jagged pier]

but thats still easy u just need to get used to doing the damage

[mellow bridge]

i cant imagine any large vdh complaining wth

[brittle owl]

vdh has one less mechanic by default

[jagged pier]

yer

[brittle owl]

like it was a joke in legion too

[jagged pier]

look ill be honest the hardest part of the tank challenges for me this time around has been figuring out the class and then figuring out how to do damage

like the actual tank mechanics are not hard

like too me a few pulls to figure out how to play/push the damage on VDH, BDK and paladin

[brittle owl]

i've said this in dreamgrove

your perception of difficulty depends on what you do regularily

[jagged pier]

once i figured that out i was getting kruul low almost instantly

[brittle owl]

of you do content where your hp bar barely moves

[mellow bridge]

yea same here

[brittle owl]

when you hit that second annilihate you'll be shocked

[jagged pier]

i was one BDK the first time i saw it and went to like 20 hp

no rune tap

cause dumb

but rune tap and inst DS sorted that

then ice bound then Kruul dies cause he has like no hp for BDK

[mellow bridge]

runetapping just makes it boring

gotta get that full hp ds

oh yeah they nerfed kruul hp for dk didnt they

[jagged pier]

my BDK is still lvl 50 i hate BDK

yer he has like 49k or some shit now KEKW

[mellow bridge]

lmfao

hardest part for me was figuring out how to kill the adds quickly enough to not die to their cast

since they moved with you pre-nerf

but then I looked at my buttons and everything worked out

[sick sentinel]

I'm still doing prot warrior even with bull yelling at me

Just gotta play the game correctly right

[strong forum]

My favourite argument is

"I pay the same sub"

Yeah you pay the sub to have access to it, you don't pay the sub for the same outcome

:pega:

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Just because you have a brain, doesn't mean you know how to use it

[sick sentinel]

Ah it's only a game end of the day

Winning is just gravy

We'd have all given up by now 8f it truly was as shit as people say

[brittle owl]

wat

[strong forum]

wat

[brittle owl]

?

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

nome not using his brain

[brittle owl]

[sick sentinel]

How can I use brain i don't have

[shrewd steeple]

Hey mighty warriors
any testing so far for the 2g2 set up as prot in 9.2?
Necro&Reprisal?

[strong forum]

How can we see if our eyes aren't real

[brittle owl]

uj breij

[strong forum]

You can't test it yet

[mellow bridge]

2g2 set up

wth

[jagged pier]

how do i know your colour red is the same as my colour red

[mellow bridge]

you dont

[strong forum]

That's real real tbh

I've always wondered about stuff like that

Like, try to describe a colour

[jagged pier]

its green bro

[strong forum]

Yeah but what if my green is your red

[jagged pier]

exactly

[strong forum]

Shits fucked

[mellow bridge]

welcome to basic epistemology

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

literally whenever that topic comes up

[strong forum]

[brittle owl]

#FFFFFF

that's why we have hex bro

[strong forum]

#FFFFFFuckYYYYYYou

What colour is that

[brittle owl]

sorry kids, santa ain't real, your deep woah moment about color isnt either

[brittle owl]

white

[strong forum]

But how do I know how that my white looks like your white

[brittle owl]

because we have different systems for representing color if my white was your green in language, then in hex code we would end up using diff codes

[strong forum]

Sorry I thought this was a warrior discord

Not mage

Nerd

[brittle owl]

get cross referenced nerd

[strong forum]

You're the nerd for knowing this shit

Nerd

[brittle owl]

at least i ain't a wannabe deep cunt

[strong forum]

My cunt is very deep thank you very much

[sick sentinel]

Er well if your red is my green you are fucking color blind

[brittle owl]

also what yogi said

[strong forum]

My job had me tested so no

Had to go fucking out of my way to test a bunch of shit before I was allowed to learn the profession

Very unfun

[brittle owl]

spoiler: we all see the same green unless colorblind

[strong forum]

Tell that to that Paul guy

Forgot his first name

[brittle owl]

atreides?

giamatti?

[sick sentinel]

If you go into accessibility options in wow you see 3 options for color blind I won't even attempt to know like I know how to pronounce them

[strong forum]

Logan

[brittle owl]

jake?

[strong forum]

https://twitter.com/TheFunny_mp4/status/1471989967039705094?t=RhpV3nZQuW5rl8dQo8vQFg&s=19

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[brittle owl]

isnt that a

2016 meme

[strong forum]

It's new

[sick sentinel]

But yh switching to those options it makes things easier to view if you can't see a certain color

[brittle owl]

oh nft meme

[sick sentinel]

Color blindness more common in males than females

[brittle owl]

well color me impressed

[strong forum]

What colour is that

[brittle owl]

[strong forum]

ic

[sick sentinel]

Depends 9n the pattern you select

[slender slate]

nOt EnOuGh RaGe!

[modern brook]

Is nom color blind or stupid

Can I get a tldr of this convo

[blazing condor]

Tidr: yes

[strong forum]

Neither

[sick sentinel]

I was going to say both

But I was hesitant to say anything

[mellow bridge]

flaming nome for his colour theory when even neuroscientists arent sure

[strong forum]

My theory? maximised
your theory? Minimised

[mellow bridge]

is that a meme i dont recognize

[strong forum]

Idk where its from but it surely must be a meme

[lime urchin]

have you seen Nom's hair? surely he aint colorblind

he fabulous

[strong forum]

It's clearly green

[jagged pier]

i aspire to have nome lvl hair

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

but my hair done grow outwards

it just disappears

[strong forum]

Gotta believe in the heart of hair

Not in body hair tho

[sick sentinel]

In my 15 halls last night I fucked up in a bunch of ways but I don't think anything too terrible

The ice LT before first boss I swear I was out of it probably those tornadoes put me in it pulled shit died to 3rd bar npc for first boss

Took some dmg on 1st boss not entirely sure,

Last boss was a bit mess, 2nd/ 3rd boss sections were all easy

[slender slate]

How many crayons have we eaten this morning

[sick sentinel]

Just 1

[slender slate]

1st crayon of the day is always the best

[sick sentinel]

I don't know entirely what happened o first boss but I was taking circle damage and I looed up and group was dropping so I rallied

[slender slate]

those slugs man

[sick sentinel]

Nothing besides getting the pastor dude at end of dungeon after first boss was trouble for us

[slender slate]

the slugs no one puts DPS on lol

[sick sentinel]

Cuz u always have to do a weird double interrupt

One for at spawn one for center of room and then you plop him wherever adds gotta die

Otherwise he just sits up there casting shit like an assnole never moving at all

[honest plinth]

hes running in center without interrupts coz yre in los

[modern brook]

Have you been feeling tankier

[slender slate]

im on the outside looking in here. Coming over to prot war from brewmaster. Its gonna be very hard to put my brewmaster away but i want the utility from prot war. I feel tanky as fuck on my brewmaster and i worked hard on learning it. But RC and BS are just so god damn good

[modern brook]

Lmao pwar utility???

[slender slate]

brewmaster utility???

prot war has more utility than brew lol

thats all im saying

that and it does feel good not always bleeding damage 😛

[modern brook]

Rop

[sick sentinel]

i mean, fort bursting bleed enrage dogs doesn't help me feel any better about my self lol

they hurt alot even on 15 with druid and 2 shaman

[honest plinth]

what?

[mellow bridge]

well

dont tank enraged dogs lmao

[slender slate]

what dont you understand

[sick sentinel]

nobody is saying you are wrong i think, im not actually giving a shit about your conversation yet

but explain what you mean to us

[honest plinth]

new prot warrior talking with veteran players about prot utility > brew

[chilly brook]

Ehhhh

I mean

[slender slate]

???

[chilly brook]

It depends on how you view utility

[mellow bridge]

it's shockwave fear rally vs legsweep rop clash para for m+

[slender slate]

i mean....brewmasters have no raid cooldowns they dont do anything but to themselves

[mellow bridge]

not a massive gap either way

[slender slate]

if you count SELF utility brewmasters are absolutely godly

[chilly brook]

If you want to include stuff like rop then yes

[slender slate]

youre correct in that sense

[sick sentinel]

i still like (IV) my pretend deathstrike ability, despite what you guys say

[mellow bridge]

if we're talking about raid utility it's bs + rally vs monk debuff yeah

[chilly brook]

If you are thinking in a raid setting it's just 1 buff vs 2

Damnit muyuu stealing my thunder

[mellow bridge]

[slender slate]

i was simply venting about going to prot would be more helpful to the raid as having BS and RC whereas no one else in my group plays warrior thats all. I appologize if anyone here dissagreed

[sick sentinel]

i really like the on demand heal more than a slow trickle and would for sure choose IV if there was no 10% on indom

[mellow bridge]

sorry sir

[chilly brook]

Why apologize for a disagreement

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[mellow bridge]

tbh it was mostly you thinking about raid vs bull thinking about m+ from what I can see

[slender slate]

sorry ive seen discords get rowdy for stuff like that i just didnt want to start anything

[mellow bridge]

not like anyone is wrong here

[chilly brook]

Prot discord is chill

[ionic fern]

You're all wrong.

[chilly brook]

We don't get rowdy unless someone starts talking about vers stacking for 15s

[slender slate]

ok then.....brewmasters smoke all of you and i love the class. Tell me im wrong 😛

[sick sentinel]

i fucking love impending victory and i always have

[ionic fern]

Ok, you're wrong.

Now what?

[sick sentinel]

if i never met you guys, i'd likely still be using it

[ionic fern]

👀

[slender slate]

lol

[honest plinth]

[slender slate]

i love it, haha

[chilly brook]

No I'm Matt

[sick sentinel]

i fucking hate playing monk tank it feels so bad to play

[slender slate]

so let me put in our raid groups situation that we ran into last night

[jagged pier]

no we all right

[chilly brook]

Monk feels bad in raid but it feels fun af in m+ tbh

[ionic fern]

Okay, i'm wrong. 😦

[sick sentinel]

if you are good and dont stand in shit, you dont take hardly fuck all damage at all, but if you stand in things it nukes you over time

[mellow bridge]

[slender slate]

wed been wiping on heroic soulrender for a few weeks (Progression). This week we decided that we didnt want to bang our heads against a wall and invited a war for RC and BS. One shot it......WTF. So is it just having that one class (Only 1 war in the entire raid 11-man) Or is it just the added DPS and we are overthinking it

[chilly brook]

No

[ionic fern]

You make it sound almost like avoiding avoidable mechanics makes you take less damage.

👀

[honest plinth]

y're wrong with profile picture btw. where is this handsome guy

[sick sentinel]

and i hated playing monk tank worse than any other tank i tried in BFA, i never had a DH and im stupid enough to fit the "retard DH" trope

[ionic fern]

Dead.

[sick sentinel]

i hated playing paladin tank, DK was OKAY, but it wasn't warrior

and i especially hated playing DK unholy

[mellow bridge]

yeah no

[chilly brook]

Definitely not just add a warrior and win situation. If you've been progging on heroic soulrender for weeks then there are much deeper issues

[honest plinth]

[slender slate]

@sick sentinel are you the true heify prot war?

[sick sentinel]

bad one maybe

but this is just what i enjoy currently, it was rogue before i quit

[slender slate]

rogue to war? Thats not entirely unheard of

rogue to TANK war maybe

ive always wanted to get better at rogue but sometimes i just cant handle the energy regen

[chilly brook]

I'm tryna go from war to war next tier

[slender slate]

but from what ive seen i think its better

[chilly brook]

[ionic fern]

Same.

[slender slate]

i like warriors "hit something and gain rage" idea

[chilly brook]

Oh really? You gonna be a Malefic Rapture spammer like me?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

Screw Warriors.

👀

[mellow bridge]

Imma go from whatever I want to play on release day to whatever I want to play on release day

[ionic fern]

Useless class.
MT too hard.

[slender slate]

i just wanna see griff charge/intercept to get rid of all of his constant rage

cant stop wont stop

[chilly brook]

I do a lot of charging and intercepting on Sylvanas

[ionic fern]

I intercept as Fury in m+ on the tank

[sick sentinel]

in cataclysm or wrath or panda, i made -2 int warrior herpedmyderp, human male warrior, dumbest fucker possible

[ionic fern]

And then die

Stupid habits

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-ppqAzrgU4

[slender slate]

can you heroic leap off the ledges in p2 sylv?

[sick sentinel]

this is a dumb video where the name came from

[slender slate]

like....leap onto the ledge after jumping off

[chilly brook]

Speaking of which I need to recraft The Wall tonight

[sick sentinel]

but the whole deal with herpaderp was that he was never to have a green intelligence, cuz warriors don't use int

[mellow bridge]

not sure I understand

you mean if you fall off, leap back on before you die?

[mellow bridge]

you using wall on sylv?

[woven bear]

wowhead guide says, that you should do shield block for heartseekers, but does it really help? I just use IP + SR + X (trinket, shield wall etc)

Also, I don't use reprisal since a lot of things are not blockable, right?

[near pewter]

Does anyone know where i can find a good route for skipping the Robots in mechagon wing for DOS?

[mellow bridge]

shield block def helps

it's 3 blockable physical hits and 3 magical hits

[mellow bridge]

just pull extra in ardenweald

[woven bear]

ok

[near pewter]

yea thats not really helpful, but thanks

[mellow bridge]

I mean you take your normal route

you click away the 3 robots and mark the extra % in ardenweald

nothing else changes

and if you dont have a route you already run

then i guess you can go and check out streamers who post their routes

altho most people simply dont because your route should be adaptable if you are at a level where you want to skip them in the first place

[near pewter]

I was looking for a premade route i could import to MDT I could work off

[chilly brook]

Half the damage is physical so yes?

[woven bear]

I thought it's magic only, so I guess I was wrong

[chilly brook]

Do you not shield block on last boss of NW either?

[near pewter]

last boss of NW is physical

[chilly brook]

Cuz you should

It's a blockable physical spell

TLDR is the reflect sheet is your friend

Also you can deflect one hit of heartseeker

[sick sentinel]

i personally never skip those robots, but im engineer so that allows me to do this

this is at the slime and robot room, sorry for my shitty ms paint drawings, i don't own or know how to use PS

its just that, not that its impossible, but fighting 2 or 3 robots, and then combining them with the slimes is ill advised because the slimes do a magic dot and the robots do a group dmg and they self heal for a fuck load

so, you lose CD's somewhere in the group along the way pulling like that and lose time cuz its 3 shit pulls (2 plus a boss) in a row

[honest plinth]

all top players routes based on their comps. so if it works for them doesnt mean it will for you. im pretty sure the best way is to create your own route based on your comp/skill level/key level

also are you sure you need to skip them? what keys range we are talking about

[near pewter]

22+

[honest plinth]

well its still doable without skips but i understand your point at this level of keys

i can share you my route in 10 mins or so. maybe it will help

[near pewter]

thanks

[modern brook]

I put too many ??? On my shit my b for not being welcoming

Welcome to warrior

[sick sentinel]

i honest to god don't know at which point you'd be wanting to use stealth pots to skip the robots that they'd be that much of a pain

[modern brook]

Basically whenever

Robutts are slow

[sick sentinel]

hold W and 4head through whatever you can no?

[modern brook]

The mechagon wing is the slowest part of dos

Specifically because it's drill followed by 3 solo pulls or a hard triple pull

[sick sentinel]

i find fae wing is, but thats due to how i do ring then fae route

[modern brook]

Ans u can just press the pot button ans walk past it

[sick sentinel]

what about the frogger maze then though, you just have to yolo the maze as a team in stealth?

[mighty valley]

ideally you have an engineer but if not it's not really a maze

you just have to jump good

[sick sentinel]

wouldn't engineering the button take you out of steatlh

im pretty sure this isn't right, but its how i imagine the robot skip would work

[mighty valley]

i don't remember the order you do things, i'm not the engineer in my squad, but it's always been pretty straightforward

[chilly brook]

There are plenty of routes that skip practically all of mechagon for DoS

[mighty valley]

i wouldn't worry too much about it in pugs, they're obviously not hard, it's just really low % for the amount of time they take

and you basically get that % back for free by pulling bigger in ardenweald

[sick sentinel]

i tend to under pull rather than over pull now

had to return at start of 15 halls last night

[modern brook]

No

[torpid saffron]

How much dps do you guys pull in keys above 21-22 ?

And also.. how many IP casts overall ?

[strong forum]

anywhere between 7-9k dps i reckon is a solid amount depending on dungeon

and IP casts varies just as much depending on comfortability, affixes and group comp

[slender slate]

yes

[slender slate]

no lol for me ive simply done the same thing in like the monk discord and shit hit the fan like.....WHY THE BLIP WOULD YOU ASK SOMES STUPID....blah blah blah. I apparently dont frame questions or statements 100% so sometimes it blows up the discord. Its my fault im not saying you werent welcoming

[torpid saffron]

So if i'm doing lower than 7k i suck ?

I finish almost every dungeon with 200+ IP casts

[slender slate]

as prot?

im used to monks doing 4-5k so 7k sounds like a dream

[torpid saffron]

But i dunno how is everyone else surviving damage without IP .. like, i use it cuz i need it

[modern brook]

Yeah u suck :^)

In reality

You're probably pulling too small

Or playing overly defensive

Or are poorly geared

[torpid saffron]

245 ilvl with Scale and Aegis as trinkets

[strong forum]

there are alot of factors counting into m+, but i personally wouldnt be happy with less than 7k

[modern brook]

Scale is stinky trash

[strong forum]

oh well yeah 245 explains it

and scale+aegis is overkill

[modern brook]

My 230~ no dom warrior does a little under 6k in a given dungeon

For reference

[torpid saffron]

Even with Old Warrior's Soul and Aegis did 5.5k in a 21 PF

But i changed recently to NF

Thought i was supposed to do more damage

[strong forum]

well thats PF, the dungeon where you do the least dmg

[torpid saffron]

But still.. not even close to 7k lel

Also.. is BSC really that good with Reprisal compared to Booming Voice ?

[strong forum]

BSC is really good because of reprisal

the frequent access to the +50% empowered revenge is 1 of the reasons why BSC is so good with it

you can opt to run BV in low pull count dungeons like Pf and ToP i guess, for a tad bit more 1t-2t dps

[torpid saffron]

Ok.. and also Mikanikos->Niya

Right ?

Wanted to test out NF cuz in my group generally kicks are the problem

But it seems my dps is lower

[strong forum]

well NF is usually a bit more dmg

but with Korayn

[torpid saffron]

Oh, korayn for prot ?

[strong forum]

wdym "for prot"

Korayn is omega broken because of first strike in m+

[torpid saffron]

I saw some other guys playing NF and they were playing Niya

That's why i asked.. sorry, didn't want to sound stupid

[strong forum]

which is the slightly more defensive option

Niya is good
but if you wanna go for big overalls, Korayn is your friend

niya gets better with lower pullcounts and for boss dps, and is the "defensive" option for NF

Korayn gets better in multitarget situations

[torpid saffron]

Ok, so Korayn, BSC and 1 offensive trinket

Old Warrior's Soul+Aegis should make it, right ?

[strong forum]

a very solid trinket combo

should improve your overall dps a little bit, but the biggest contributor will be your gameplay

[torpid saffron]

Ok, sir. Thank you very much! ❤️

[chilly brook]

IP is for chumps

[torpid saffron]

Yeah, well.. i'm still wondering if i use IP way too much

[strong forum]

200 casts of IP is alot

[chilly brook]

I use IP a lot

[modern brook]

If ur running ows

[chilly brook]

But only on Sylvanas

[modern brook]

It's important to not let the buff drop

[strong forum]

this is from august from Jakey when he pushed 20s

PF20 casts done

[modern brook]

So moving quickly between pulls is paramount

[strong forum]

where he did ~6.5k-7k dps

245 ilvl

[torpid saffron]

So wait, i should use Revenge way more often

[strong forum]

yes.

[torpid saffron]

Instead of dumping rage in IP

And try to survive without it as much

[strong forum]

IP isnt gonna make you magically survive alot more

[modern brook]

I think you'll find you're overestimating how much ip contributes to keeping you alive

[strong forum]

^

[modern brook]

If you consider ip a dump for am, and nothing else

You're playing closer to perfectly than by actively using it defensively

[torpid saffron]

Yeah, tbh i think that too

[chilly brook]

I literally only press IP on Sylvanas

[torpid saffron]

I'm not playing AM cuz i got way too lazy with HR

[chilly brook]

[strong forum]

that would also do it

[modern brook]

At the mid twenties I think that's fine but yeah

[strong forum]

you happen to have logs?

[modern brook]

Another knock on damage

[torpid saffron]

I don't even know how to check my logs

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/spyrru?zone=25&new=true

[strong forum]

the PF16 you did on dec13th you blocked "only" 84% hit

[torpid saffron]

Yeah, in lower keys i tend to relax

And not take anything too serious

[chilly brook]

I mean tbh

Blocking hits should be second nature

Not something you need to think about

[strong forum]

in the spires 21 you blocked 93% which is good enough

[torpid saffron]

You're right, but i'm still adapting.. i've made so many changes throughout the last 2 months

[strong forum]

but holy balls youre using IP alot

[torpid saffron]

But i guess still a lot of IPs

Yeah..

[strong forum]

you only used 28 spears

in a 38min dungeon

you dont waste alot of rage which is good

but your cpm is just low

[modern brook]

wait how did you find the log

[torpid saffron]

CPM ?

[modern brook]

😦

[strong forum]

casts per minute

[torpid saffron]

Oh

[modern brook]

everything i click on says no log found 😦

[torpid saffron]

@strong forum do you also coach ?

[strong forum]

na i dont coach

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/A1aV3HDzdFY69vBx#fight=4&type=casts&source=95

[torpid saffron]

302 IP 😄

[modern brook]

smh

I clicked on that 😦

[torpid saffron]

1 more question.. should i ever consider using execute ?

[strong forum]

YES

[torpid saffron]

Or just get it off my bars ?

[modern brook]

this is why ill never be yellow this is toxic

[strong forum]

execute is a HUGE dmg source

[torpid saffron]

Only in ST, right ?

[strong forum]

3 or less targets

[modern brook]

execute is higher on 3 or less

[strong forum]

or on prio targets

[torpid saffron]

Ok..

So i actually stopped using execute

Guess that's one reason for my low dps too

[honest plinth]

yes y're right niya is more popular choice for m+ as nf for pushing. if you want outdps some pug dps players in your 15-20+ weekly run korayn is perfect

[torpid saffron]

Thought that i'd better use revenge and get a shot on reseting SS

[modern brook]

I mean the major take away from this conversation is less "you're playing wrong" and more "you're making active decisions to play more defensively

between trinkets, HR, ip usage, no execute etc

[strong forum]

m8 somehow

[modern brook]

and like yeah those decisionsw ill cut into your damage

[strong forum]

you only did like 10% more total dmg in a 13min longer dungeon than me

in my spires that im comparing i did 5.7k log dps

and you did 4.7k log dps

*while active

sure mine is only a 16, but that shouldnt matter at all

youre just pumping boatloads of rage into IP instead of revenge

thats really the biggest thing

and youre underusing spear

and youre also underusing ravager

[torpid saffron]

I try to 1st stack mobs together to spear them all

[strong forum]

only 29 casts in a 38min dungeon, when i did 30 casts in a 26min dungeon

[torpid saffron]

Ok.. so i gotta focus on lowering my IP casts while increasing my Revenge casts and also use my burst way more often

Larger packs

BSC+AM

And should be fine

[strong forum]

AM isnt necessary for bigger dps

HR is fine to play if youre comfortable

[torpid saffron]

I'm way more comfortable with HR

[strong forum]

biggest things are
use execute more
use spear more
use ravager more

also use SW and LS a bit more

4/5 uses each

[honest plinth]

it was my problem back in bfa too. ip is just bad( mediocre at best)

[modern brook]

MAB if you will

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/84u2svY.png

my dmg breakdown

yours

you can already see, your spear is much lower, and your Execute is Nonexistant

[torpid saffron]

Woah...

So 3 or less targets i should use Execute

I'm gonna try those too

[strong forum]

or on prio targets

[torpid saffron]

Thanks very much for all the tips and your time!

Got it.. i'll try my best

[strong forum]

your rage gen is fine, but yeah, spear - ravager and execute more

and you should see a big increase in your dps

[torpid saffron]

So, should i stick with Mikanikos or try with Niya/Korayn ?

ATM i'm trying to push 23's

[modern brook]

Mika is fine

[torpid saffron]

Been playing Mikanikos till last night

[strong forum]

whatever you prefer

both are perfectly good

[modern brook]

If you're going NF and want more damage id go korayn

First strike is nutty

[honest plinth]

Nome you are failing your mission right now...shoot them wtf

[strong forum]

🔫

[balmy coral]

It blows my mind when I ask a prot warrior to solo soak Heroic Guardia and they have no idea how to do it...

[honest plinth]

mika is more damage so..

[torpid saffron]

I kinda like AA tbh even tho Spear is way better and it syncs with Ravager more often

The problem in our groups.. are always the casts

[mighty valley]

you should maybe realign your expectations of what people who play this game are like lol

[torpid saffron]

And i get smacked cuz everyone fucks up their interrupts

[honest plinth]

ah i see ye aa is good for extra cc. got your point

idk try to use both niya and korayn and make your choice. but as i said i cant see ppl pushing in korayn

[balmy coral]

You'd think people wouldn't be awful in late heroic raiding. But then again I carried my guild all the way to heroic sylvanas with me being the fourth highest DPS despite being a Prot Warrior

[mighty valley]

i don't think not knowing the unintended strategy should count as "awful"

sounds like you'd be happier if you found a guild you were on the same wavelength as

[honest plinth]

what a legend

[balmy coral]

Not rly they were just bleh

[balmy coral]

I put everything. And the intended strat is to have the tanks either swap solo soak or have a tank solo all of them? I've never done it the 2 group way before our of 75 full clears.

[chilly brook]

I mean I don't know how to do it

But I also haven't done guardian in like months

[mighty valley]

they definitely intended for the raid to split and take the soaks, that's what soaks are meant to be

just tuned low so it's possible to solo

[chilly brook]

Solo tank strats are cool

[honest plinth]

im pretty sure he meant 1 tank buster

[chilly brook]

But idc about it 99% of the time I just want to get in and get out

Solo tanking stuff like first boss of EP made sense

You don't really gain anything from guardian

[mighty valley]

yeah it's cool that it's possible, just don't like the sneering energy of "look at these idiots who don't do this strat"

[honest plinth]

ye i agree

[chilly brook]

You just don't gain anything from doing it

Oh cool you solo soaked one tank buster

In heroic

[honest plinth]

i mean ppl play this strat its easy i think its all about guild etc but its not mandatory at all

[chilly brook]

Sure I just don't see the benefit, but I see plenty of downsides

Solo tanking all the combos though now you're talking a legit benefit because that's more group dps

[modern brook]

I'll echo this

[balmy coral]

Because the chance of wiping is 10x higher because people often overlap and/or cannot stack into 2 groups well. One big group allow for much larger failure control. Having done full clears five the six times a week since the end of July has shown this to me

[chilly brook]

You uhh

You put marks on the floor

And people stand on them

If they die like that they're gonna find other ways of dying lmao

Literally never see wipes on guardian as a dps unless tanks fuck their taunts

Pugging full clears 5x a week sounds aids

[balmy coral]

I used to (quit 3 weeks ago) raid lead for lfg pug communities, I would run 1-2 runs per community per week. Pugs need their hands held. I have probably seen almost as many wipes on Guardian doing the group strat as I have on heroic Sylvannas. Which is why I put a hard stop to that in early September

3 lfg pug communities*

Now that isn't fair because I only entertained the two group strat for 8 weeks whereas I have been killing her up to six times a week for 4 months now?

[honest plinth]

i cant believe you can wipe on guardian 2 grps strat as many times as on Sylv

but you can wipe even more times on roh kalo

[balmy coral]

I would often see 2-3 wipes until I changed the strat.

Oh I skip fate lol

I've done heroic syl so much that it's rare we wipe more than once.

[lime urchin]

yall so elitist jeez

[modern brook]

heroic elitism :chortle:

[sweet summit]

:chortle:

[patent osprey]

I can say

I have no idea how to solo guardian soak

As a prot war

^.^

[modern brook]

I'm as smart as plka

[mellow bridge]

you just press demo sr sw for every one

ez

works for 30 man hc

[strong forum]

also works on mythic

[blazing condor]

Also works on normal

[chilly brook]

Saving demo

[jagged pier]

yes but then u fuck up energy so its a wipe

[sweet summit]

smh nome

[chilly brook]

I'm tryin to pump like @runic sparrow

[strong forum]

your mum fucks up energy

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

[modern brook]

honestly sucha vibe

[mellow bridge]

man

I just did sylv on my dh alt

it's so much easier holy fk

Turn off brain and take 0 dmg

[strong forum]

i assume as MT

and not as soaker

[brittle owl]

ur mom a soaker

lmao gottem

[blazing condor]

Soakin child support

[brittle owl]

she drippin

[torn cradle]

I got bored and started tanking (just a +15s) and I must say it was the one of the best decisions I made this season. Im having a blast

[sweet summit]

[blazing condor]

King shit

Welcome to the cool side of the pillow

[honest plinth]

tank equal alpha

[mellow bridge]

yeah

warr was as mt too

[blazing condor]

Warrior is a confirmed blue-parser

[sick sentinel]

err how is the scale colored

[blazing condor]

Gray > green > blue > purple > orange > pink > yellow

Blue is like 50 ish

[sick sentinel]

low = green purple = top? (taking the Wn8 system from world of tanks (TL;DR it's just elo, 0-4500 scale))

[blazing condor]

no

Yellow top 🙂

[blazing condor]

Idc about ur WoTs

[sick sentinel]

in world of tanks which i was fairly active, its like this

i was a tank whore in battlefield games and i named my wow character "tankian"

produces literal IRL fireball spell without any nerfs

[mighty valley]

hmm

"super unicum"

[sick sentinel]

CUM

yeh, thats the plural of unicorn, real

[blazing condor]

U n I cum

😉

[sick sentinel]

but imma blow your fuckin mind right now

wn8, is just the same fuckin thing as logs, and then it tallies up your recents, so, lets say you have a gun that does uhh, 400-440 dmg (roughly) and it takes, 7.4 seconds to reload, well it can then fire X times per match, and there for it does this much Damage Per Minute, and thats how it gets the io score, rating, elo whatever you want to call it

all games that use a match making system, this is how they all pair you up, so having a bunch of 99 parses is same thing as being 3700 wn8

[honest plinth]

what a racism . ill report this game

[sick sentinel]

racism?

[honest plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/gachimuchi-gif-20116037

[honest plinth]

ye black is lowest bracket!!!

[mellow bridge]

im such a retard

got new dom socket slot

forgot to take out the old one

played guardian without blood set

[honest plinth]

still gold parsed right? 😄

[sweet summit]

good shit

love it

[honest plinth]

ho ho ho btw

[sweet summit]

🎅

🛡️

[mellow bridge]

totally

[modern brook]

Raid tanking is ass

Its 9 bosses of nothing followed by one boss of everything's on you

[urban portal]

true

[modern brook]

And by pull 30 you're still waiting for your dps to get their shit together for that one