very rare, terminal
#protection
sick sentinel
jagged pier
i nearly made pretty much the same set with aegis like a week ago KEKW
brittle owl
i feel that this video is disrespectful towards sugma sufferers
strong forum
A joke is always a joke, don't let others tell you otherwise
jagged pier
couldnt bring myself to do it
strong forum
If people find a joke offensive, let them be offended
brittle owl
what if i find an offense jokeful
jagged pier
If people find a joke offensive, let them be offended
im offended by this statment
sick sentinel
jakey
ur pfp is a heroic strike, that is an attack which is an attack on me and so now i am offended too!!!
jagged pier
too bad
sick sentinel
me zoning into m+ and opening mdt to look up mobs spells, only to later ignore them or do them wrong
brittle owl
because you're a weeb
modern brook
im a mad weeb though 😦
brittle owl
your point?
modern brook
sick sentinel
well, your bull and i'm bear right
bull is expected to be aggressive, bear more reserved
same with stock markets, bull market when its mooning, bear when it's crashing/tanking
patent osprey
blazing condor
👋 🐶
brittle owl
sick sentinel
434 attempts as prot paladin and this seems impossible
strong forum
Nerf paladin or
wooden radish
@ionic fern
brittle owl
buff kruul
📠
mellow bridge
I’m on attempt 434 and wiped all. Prot paladin.
Best I’ve got is kruul down to 7%.
It’s insanely hard for me. I know people say it’s doable but for me it feels insurmountable. I’ve gotten the best weak auras and an mmo mouse just for this challenge. I’m demoralized, tired, not having fun. I know people enjoy this challenging content but I just want the transmog because this set is like my dream tmog set from the days of TBC. I just wish it was a tad bit easier is all. The nether adds sometimes take so many cleave sotr to kill. I am being ravaged by them all over the arena. 1400 HP per add is insanely hard. There’s just so many things to take care of. Im convinced I don’t have the brain power to focus on so many things at a time.
I know no one is forcing me to do this and I’ve heard all the insults (get gud) but I’m just tired. Not to mention the materials, pots , flasks, drums and repair costs. I’ve lost over 98000 gold now.
It’s just insurmountable hard. It’s just not reasonable is what I feel. I know I’m not the best tank. I’m only 10/10 heroic and 2106 rating. I just want the transmog because I’ve got sentimental value for this set from the days of TBC is all.
I feel pathetic for having tried so hard so many times to fail miserably. That all this time I’ve spent in this game is useless because I cannot beat this challenge that many people say is doable. I know I’m just ranting at this point and it feels pathetic. But these are not the feelings I wanted to feel from this special event. I don’t know what to say.
sweet summit
I’m on attempt 434 and wiped all. Prot paladin.
Best I’ve got is kruul down to 7%.
It’s insanely hard for me. I know people say it’s doable but for me it feels insurmountable. I’ve gotten the best weak auras and an mmo mouse just for this challenge. I’m demoralized, tired, not having fun. I know people enjoy this challenging content but I just want the transmog because this set is like my dream tmog set from the days of TBC. I just wish it was a tad bit easier is all. The nether adds sometimes take so many cleave sotr to kill. I am being ravaged by them all over the arena. 1400 HP per add is insanely hard. There’s just so many things to take care of. Im convinced I don’t have the brain power to focus on so many things at a time.
I know no one is forcing me to do this and I’ve heard all the insults (get gud) but I’m just tired. Not to mention the materials, pots , flasks, drums and repair costs. I’ve lost over 98000 gold now.
It’s just insurmountable hard. It’s just not reasonable is what I feel. I know I’m not the best tank. I’m only 10/10 heroic and 2106 rating. I just want the transmog because I’ve got sentimental value for this set from the days of TBC is all.
I feel pathetic for having tried so hard so many times to fail miserably. That all this time I’ve spent in this game is useless because I cannot beat this challenge that many people say is doable. I know I’m just ranting at this point and it feels pathetic. But these are not the feelings I wanted to feel from this special event. I don’t know what to say.
strong forum
🙂
mellow bridge
MT is the best thing to have happened to WoW in the last years
strong forum
it is
mellow bridge
so much free content
strong forum
lots of seethe
sweet summit
definitely sparks some joy
brittle owl
I’m on attempt 434 and wiped all. Prot paladin.
Best I’ve got is kruul down to 7%.
It’s insanely hard for me. I know people say it’s doable but for me it feels insurmountable. I’ve gotten the best weak auras and an mmo mouse just for this challenge. I’m demoralized, tired, not having fun. I know people enjoy this challenging content but I just want the transmog because this set is like my dream tmog set from the days of TBC. I just wish it was a tad bit easier is all. The nether adds sometimes take so many cleave sotr to kill. I am being ravaged by them all over the arena. 1400 HP per add is insanely hard. There’s just so many things to take care of. Im convinced I don’t have the brain power to focus on so many things at a time.
I know no one is forcing me to do this and I’ve heard all the insults (get gud) but I’m just tired. Not to mention the materials, pots , flasks, drums and repair costs. I’ve lost over 98000 gold now.
It’s just insurmountable hard. It’s just not reasonable is what I feel. I know I’m not the best tank. I’m only 10/10 heroic and 2106 rating. I just want the transmog because I’ve got sentimental value for this set from the days of TBC is all.
I feel pathetic for having tried so hard so many times to fail miserably. That all this time I’ve spent in this game is useless because I cannot beat this challenge that many people say is doable. I know I’m just ranting at this point and it feels pathetic. But these are not the feelings I wanted to feel from this special event. I don’t know what to say.
brittle owl
definitely sparks some joy
certainly puts food on the plate!
sweet summit
did u get borgir
brittle owl
i did
undone sun
brittle owl
i got
jagged pier
:peepofat:
blazing condor
Went to mcdonalds with a friend
brittle owl
real funky sharp cheddar
blazing condor
Borgir and nuggies
sweet summit
ONYON RING !
brittle owl
nuggies!
sweet summit
sweet summit
get some then !
sweet summit
frosty holly
The hell is that clip Erga
brittle owl
number one natural bodybuilder in echo formerly in method wf raider
jagged pier
its lorgok that man just chats shit
sweet summit
what's you're onion
foggy wigeon
I have been wondering do you guys sometimes backseat if somebody would ask ? like to just see how the person plays and then give pointers on what to improve ?
jagged pier
we can do its better if u just create a vid tho unlisted and send us a link
jagged pier
9 nuggets & co + cheeseborgir + mcflurry
blazing condor
Good thing im short and skinny so i can eat what i want without heavy repercussions
blazing condor
Thanks Erga! 🙂
foggy wigeon
we can do its better if u just create a vid tho unlisted and send us a link
eeeh 😄 which channel should i put it in then cause it is slightly emberassing to share my pathetic MT performance into this one 😅
jagged pier
i mean u can link in here we are generally nicer than most discords to be honest exepct for mael
but u can dm me if u want but im about to raid so ill take a while to reply
brittle owl
9 nuggets & co + cheeseborgir + mcflurry
what kind of mcflurry
brittle owl
i mean u can link in here we are generally nicer than most discords to be honest...
wait a minute 
jagged pier
KEKW
honest plinth
eeeh 😄 which channel should i put it in then cause it is slightly emberassing t...
its totally fine to post here i think. im pretty sure war discord ( at least prot part of it) is very friendly
stark sage
honest plinth
oh my man. dreamgrove is not good place
sweet summit
you're the exception :v)
honest plinth
the main problem of our discord is we still cant use reactions 😦 im crying
sweet summit
not even external emotes 
honest plinth
😢
foggy wigeon
tbh now that i looked at the recording that really my issues is not managing the hp debuff well enough and dodging infernals soo probably there isnt much actuall advice to give there except use your eyes tbh ( since i even use the WA for tracking the stats)
honest plinth
im always using my vods for impoves. i think its a good way
jagged pier
thats what i got called toxic for encouraging ppl the learn instead of rely on gear
jagged pier
i made a video about it
honest plinth
i mean if we are talking about mt. ppl did it in raid gear without extra farmed specific pieces. so ye its more about "just do it better"
uneven hedge
yo any quick tips for prot mage tower
mainly annihilation cd rotation if any1 knows
feels like im not gonna survive 4 on warrior like i did for druid and pala
jagged pier
u really shouldnt be getting 4
uneven hedge
oh shield block actually mitigates anihilates?
thought that was just an auto attack thing
mellow bridge
yes annihilate is blockable
you can take the first with just SB
and the second probably too
strong forum
Anything that looks like a swing with a weapon or a shot of a gun/bow is blockable
👍
General rule of thumb
blazing condor
what kind of mcflurry
Maltesers
uneven hedge
sweet ty
ye just took 2 there and they actually hit very little
compared to pala where i got 1shot with sotr and guardian on #3
split kiln
hello
uneven hedge
finished it ty @mellow bridge @strong forum
strong forum
Ez 👏
sweet summit
🌊
tight sedge
anyone else catching occasional friction from people for being prot in bg's? gives me a good chuckle when it happens tbh lol
sweet summit
nah i try to avoid pvp at all costs 
gloomy cradle
nah i try to avoid pvp at all costs <:okayge:917646812519739433>
this
unless its a 1v1 i really dont find it remotely enjoyable as prot
brittle owl
bruh protvp is fun
sweet summit
wrong opinion
modern brook
gloomy cradle
tight sedge
unless its a 1v1 i really dont find it remotely enjoyable as prot
but there's nothing sweeter than bashing things to death with a shield
young harbor
or dragon charging people off the middle in eye of the storm
mellow bridge
finished it ty <@!183305739174019072> <@!192743144276623360>
wpwp
gloomy cradle
or dragon charging people off the middle in eye of the storm
this is true
sick sentinel
how i imagine pika jakey nome sense erga entering keys/raids
modern brook
It's all of them
blazing condor
Nom is gonna predict high dps numbers for the coming patch
jagged pier
https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-cross-gif-23844686
how are legion keys going?
jagged pier
modern brook
(edited)
sweet summit
i am fuming
sweet summit
👀
chilly brook
(talking about som btw)
Theres uhhh non retail discords for this
@jagged pier you have a sylvanas kill vid yea?
Mythic sylvanas that is
modern brook
smh ur missing out
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> you have a sylvanas kill vid yea?
no
i stoped recording stuff ages ago
why what u struggling with?
blazing condor
False u did mt a week ago
jagged pier
u did it yesterday
blazing condor
Recorded i mean
jagged pier
yer i ment kills i swapped guild to one which already killed it didnt think it was note worthy to recored
chilly brook
Since it's so hard to get practice in p3 without having to waste 10 minutes
Started making it to third platform in p3
But myself and cotank swapped roles so I'm just trying to do my homework and make our prog go smoother since we've had a short week already
jagged pier
what role do u have?
blazing condor
I play lurker
jagged pier
yer i cant help i main tank her in p3
i only know my cds for tanking the boss
all i can say is u should probs run the wall
strong forum
Do the soaky soaky, and not the dyiy dyiy and you should be 
chilly brook
Trying to farm it
jagged pier
scales probably your other better choice
chilly brook
Might do it over the weekend
chilly brook
I started to the last 2 pulls last night just to see how much it would account for
The dot fucks me up
jagged pier
thats where aegis and rdm comes in clutch
jagged pier
yer u have to pre stack
chilly brook
Part of it I think is also healers
jagged pier
i take that one
chilly brook
But I could be wrong
jagged pier
make sure u have SB and IP and SR for that
jagged pier
chilly brook
Honestly worst boss I've ever had the displeasure of tanking
jagged pier
shes pretty bad yer
chilly brook
But hey at least we've made it to plat 3 in p3
jagged pier
and the fact each week on farm if u wipe u wipe near the end
and the fight is 15 mins long
strong forum
But hey at least we've made it to plat 3 in p3
That's the hardest part of the fight
jagged pier
plat 3 is horrendous
strong forum
If you get past platform 3 with everyone alive, she's dead
strong forum
<:dander:905248880910815302>
Vdh and bdk are far worse platform clearers
jagged pier
true
strong forum
So... You're not playing the wrong tank
chilly brook
Vdh and bdk are far worse platform clearers
Oh I just laugh about it
jagged pier
☝️
chilly brook
We've had to sub a holy pally alt in every so often which feels great
strong forum
The lack of DRs is just
chilly brook
I cri with no hpally
strong forum
Pain
That's gonna suck for plat4
When you gotta tank all the arrows
- soaks
- dispells
No ashen, no barrier, no AM
Big yike
chilly brook
strong forum
It's obv possible
But like, could only be worse if you had mistweavers instead of shamans
chilly brook
MW pumps
jagged pier
DR > through put
strong forum
But it's so much more value
chilly brook
I'd rather have a MW than a 2nd resto shaman tbh
jagged pier
thats why u dont see druids and MW on prog in world first
strong forum
SLT atleast has the 10% DR now
So you get atleast something
But that plat4 is gonna be rough with your setup
blazing condor
chilly brook
No I mean I'd want a MW just to make me feel better not because warrior needs it more than anyone else
strong forum
Oh that's what you mean
I thought you complained about your healers complaining about needing to heal you
chilly brook
No lol
chilly brook
But I've heard it a few times when I've made the statement "look I can try and soak and hold onto it as long as I can but I'm getting clapped by the stacks"
"That's what you get for playing the wrong tank, shoulda been a druid"
strong forum
When we did inerva, you insta noticed the lack of beacon when our pally couldn't make it
Tanks got 0 healing there
jagged pier
u dont need to hold onto them tbh
if u time it right u grab them and come back just before fury
strong forum
But I've heard it a few times when I've made the statement "look I can try and s...
Uuuh that would rattle my cage
Legit boiling
If there's something I can't stand it's my raid tryna lecture me on tanks
sick sentinel
i think the truth is it's more or less just chaos and we try to note things that work and didn't and try to avoid the methods or things that didnt work out
chilly brook
Uuuh that would rattle my cage
I definitely find it annoying
sick sentinel
have to be very reserved to do everthing the raid leader tells you to do and do dps and be killing adds
and the entire raid is like that lot of mental fortitude
blazing condor
do any of you ever pre-flush the toilet whilst peeing as to save frames and go back to gaming quicker?
jagged pier
https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-talking-about-huh-what-what-are-you-saying-stirring-gif-17820207
blazing condor
it's called speedrunning, gramps
strong forum
ima speedrun the logoff button
spice nimbus
can anyone give me any tips for mage tower as protection warrior, i wiped like 40x already and im so desperate, i'll try anything
blazing condor
what are you struggling with the most you feel like?
spice nimbus
last phase
blazing condor
does boss kill you or do you die from other things?
spice nimbus
i die to 4th annihilate
blazing condor
4th stack or 4th cast
spice nimbus
4th cast
blazing condor
first you can just have SB up for, second you wanna use a defensive, third you use basically everything else you got and then you just use orbs to interrupt the casts
or use orbs earlier i dont really remember
either way if he's not dead by then, you need to work on your dps
jagged pier
SB
SB + demo
SB + SW
SB+LS+ RALLY+demo
blazing condor
i had the most scuffed p2 ever and he died just as he hit me with the 4th stack
jagged pier
U shouldnt but ppl still do
chilly brook
And that's with SL gear and only grontooth trinket as a non SL piece
blazing condor
i had full SL on
chilly brook
Just make sure to spell reflect twisted reflections
And then go ham
Don't bother with anything defensive except for shield block for first annihilate
You can live the first 2 with just shield block
Pump all extra rage into execute
spice nimbus
the fuck
chilly brook
If you get a third shield block and shield wall
spice nimbus
how do you get so much dmg then
blazing condor
press buttons
chilly brook
Pressing buttons, lust and pot
jagged pier
Press revenge press execute press ss
vague surge
Try pop an orb when he starts casting annihilate (just one per set of annihilates) that will give you a few seconds extra deeps and ensure you’re at full hp.
spice nimbus
yeah, im on him the whole time and he's not dying, im reflecting his heal thing and im still dying
blazing condor
i didnt have any pots but yeah drums is good
chilly brook
You shouldn't be dying at all with Twisted Reflections up unless it's a one shot
chilly brook
I'd imagine you're undercasting shield slam and revenge
Hard to know though without logs or video
spice nimbus
idk if im just bad or what is it, but i feel like the tank challenge is the most frustrating
jagged pier
HAVE U TRIED STRAFING GOOD?
blazing condor
didnt need to 🙂
chilly brook
It's frustrating because its easy to ruin your run through getting knocked if you don't pay attention
But if you do pay attention to the tells it's not that bad
Although p1 just feels awful
blazing condor
p1 is snorefest
especially during down time where you just wait for stack to drop
strong forum
Ah silly me
blazing condor
pepepains
strong forum
If your pp hurts you should go see a doctor
jagged pier
blazing condor
you aint tricking me into getting circumcised man
no one ever lfgs for guardian groups so i gotta start with a pugged painsmith instead
literally me when i have to do one boss in SoD
blazing condor
in the beginning i'd go up to 7/8 then i'd just lay between 5-7 depending on
spice nimbus
how am i dying on 5 then
strong forum
I sometimes went to 9
Cuz I forgot
Was vibin too hard
Never died to dmg tho
Only getting knocked off or being too dumb to put up block for annihilate
blazing condor
it's all part of the process
spice nimbus
not really, i've been at it for like 5 hours
strong forum
That's normal if you're doing it for your first time
spice nimbus
probably even more and i have no idea how to get better the fuck
blazing condor
thats kinda the thing it's no real way to intuitively get better at your class by doing MT
strong forum
In legion it took me 160 attempts.
spice nimbus
i still keep dying to the knock, or to the small adds
blazing condor
not by the challenge itself
imo you kinda have to have the necessary skills beforehand and then grind your way into getting MT done
otherwise you're gonna have to do log reviews n shit to learn how to play it better
strong forum
It's mainly a test of patience
Just keep at it, you already managed to get to kruuls 4th annihilate
That's pretty much GG, just gotta get a clean run and you've done it
blazing condor
yeah thats good
mighty valley
That’s the most frustrating part, the amount of time it takes to have near-wins
strong forum
Biggest thing I can recommend is getting to p2 before the 3rd infernal spawns
That will make p2 very chill, if you didn't do that already
blazing condor
i didnt do it : (
strong forum
F
blazing condor
i played safe at the end of my p1
otherwise i'd have gone in with like full set of ads and 8 stacks
strong forum
Na as soon as there's execute I full Blast
Then if you have shit overlap into p2
Just use an orb
fallow iron
Somehow my damage sucks in MT. I saw a video where Pika got through P1 in 2.5 minutes. It takes me 4.5 and I cant see how hes doing much different than I am. Any tips for damage?
spice nimbus
Biggest thing I can recommend is getting to p2 before the 3rd infernal spawns
xDD 3rd infernal? 😄 how??? i have 500 dps dude i can't survive anything above 6 stacks
blazing condor
then you need to work on ur damage a bit
spice nimbus
I have like 7 infernals at the start of p2
sweet summit
🤨
blazing condor
my run was suuper scuffed and i had 900dps at kill
strong forum
🤨
sweet summit
you need to attack the guy
strong forum
7 infernals?
sweet summit
if you get unlucky drain life, just shockwave or something
chilly brook
xDD 3rd infernal? 😄 how??? i have 500 dps dude i can't survive anything above 6...
500? That's uber low
sweet summit
could even use an orb if you have excess ones
sweet summit
but you need to play more aggressively
strong forum
That's some medal of honor shit
fallow iron
Yeah so my last run was all the way to kruuls 4th annihilate cause I was only doing 630dps. I'm just having trouble figuring out why. Its not like prot has a complex rotation I can mess up. Do you guys dump rage on revenge in p1 or IP?
strong forum
3 infernals is manageable and with 4 its pretty much "just jump off dude"
sweet summit
revenge
fallow iron
Oh okay maybe that would help. I'll try being less defensive.
blazing condor
why not my kill 
strong forum
Jakeys is the most aggressive
blazing condor
jk
strong forum
Mine is medium aggressive
chilly brook
Yeah so my last run was all the way to kruuls 4th annihilate cause I was only do...
Revenge
strong forum
Sense is more defensive than jakeys and mine
chilly brook
IP basically has no use in mage tower
Kill things and you get to heal with victory rush
spice nimbus
aight, how do I log my run?
fallow iron
Kill things and you get to heal with victory rush
Okay. Thats gotta be my problem then.
blazing condor
i used a bunch of IP ngl
strong forum
👏 abuse 👏 victory 👏 rush 👏
And yeah IP is super strong when you have high stacks of the debuff
Also treat the eyes as walking healthpots
Altho the eyes don't really walk...
blazing condor
floating
strong forum
Treat the adds as walking healthpots
strong forum
Treat goodstuffe as walking healthpot
blazing condor
I'm running resilient plumage in keys now as a conduit that thing kinda fucks ngl
you can semi-abuse fall damage in certain dungeons
easy DR
spice nimbus
what gear were you guys using?
mellow bridge
yeah I only pressed IP in p1 when I was at high stacks too
spice nimbus
in the MT
mellow bridge
just my normal SL gear
spice nimbus
what
mellow bridge
and in p2 I dont think I pressed IP more than like once
strong forum
Normal SL gear
mellow bridge
yea doesnt do too much
blazing condor
mellow bridge
youre messing up your rotation
strong forum
That's way too low.
mellow bridge
🤷♂️
fallow iron
lol
fallow iron
10/10 advice guys. Just beat it
spice nimbus
how can I mess up my rotation, when all im spamming is SS and Revenge?
chilly brook
what gear were you guys using?
Normal SL gear with grontooth
mellow bridge
well
fallow iron
All I had to do was dump on revenge
strong forum
All I had to do was dump on revenge
Ez clap
mellow bridge
yet our damage is way higher
fallow iron
One tip was all i needed i guess
chilly brook
how can I mess up my rotation, when all im spamming is SS and Revenge?
Not being back on the boss as soon as stacks drop
spice nimbus
im back on boss as soon as stacks drop, but im talking about my on pull dps
chilly brook
Its either rotational error or uptime error
strong forum
Yeah on pull I do about 1.1k dps
mellow bridge
1.1k seems quite high ngl
strong forum
mellow bridge
@spice nimbusfirst of all
what are your talents
because they do change your rotation
blazing condor
SS + TC to gain rage as well
strong forum
Phantom fire pot
fallow iron
It didnt really take much dps. I just beat it with 740 dps.
blazing condor
no pot gang
jagged pier
Your not metionog TC thats a huge part of our rotation
blazing condor
pot is bad my mom told me
chilly brook
what's the rotation then? o.O
Abuse the hell out of shield slam
strong forum
Yeah 740 dps is what I did aswell
blazing condor
and 10 rage 😄
chilly brook
Spend excess rage on revenge
blazing condor
5
mellow bridge
assuming you are playing BV and ravager as most of us did I think
blazing condor
i mean
mellow bridge
you should be precasting ravager, charge in, avatar during the charge
spice nimbus
can I post pictures here?
mellow bridge
I dont think CT does anything in there, BS is more useful
and itf vs ravager is w/e honestly
both work
sense did it with itf
fallow iron
Lol I almost had a heart attack. I got thrown off 3 times when kruul was at 1%. But I had double time and leap off cd. So I was just spamming them to scramble back on the platform just to be thrown off again instantly.
mellow bridge
You are either just sitting on your globals for ages or you are overcapping on rage a lot
so not pressing revenge enough
mellow bridge
mh
spice nimbus
imma keep trying
strong forum
You can log anything in wow
jagged pier
U can stream in discord
spice nimbus
I have no idea how to log
strong forum
I personally preferred ravager
mellow bridge
pretty sure we have a log guide in here
it's simple to set up
jakey do the thing
blazing condor
ravager saved my run
strong forum
!logs
blazing condor
cus i put it down just as i deied
strong forum
@jagged pier
strong forum
Neither am I
mellow bridge
goddamn
strong forum
And neither do i
fallow iron
Lol you won by a post death ravager?
mellow bridge
ok ok
I am new jakey now
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.
🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8
blazing condor
Lol you won by a post death ravager?
well i won by post death ravager + kor'vas for the last 500 hp or so
whilst clutch velen stayed alive with 1 hp
mellow bridge
that might look like a long guide but it's legit 2 simple steps
or you can record it
or stream to someone
🤷♂️
blazing condor
just log and post it here and other people will read it for you
for free!
abuse the expected niceness of them
life hack
modern brook
New jakey owns
blazing condor
blazing condor
i still wanna get RDM
jagged pier
🤷♂️
jagged pier
blazing condor
ows aegis it is i guess
waxen orbit
ows aegis it is i guess
Aegis + BSS for M+
Phial + Sack for raid
You can also do what I do for M+, which is Whetstone + BSS
dawn crane
which tank is easiest for mage tower challenge does anyone know?
waxen orbit
I’d wholeheartedly say prot paladin
But the better question is which one do you know best?
You’ll have a better time on something you’re experienced with
dawn crane
i know none best :D, but its my last challenge to get the book so i want the easy route instead of bear one
ty for the reply i ll try pala i think
waxen vale
Pala is really goof for solo content generally
Does good dps good self heal and good aoe
Good cds for damage
patent osprey
which tank is easiest for mage tower challenge does anyone know?
whatever tank ur most exp on unless ur bdk or bear kek
waxen vale
Can Cheese things with immuenes
Blood dk kek
Bears gotta be a lot easier than that at least
waxen orbit
Bear challenge P1 is basically a question of do you know boomie
waxen vale
1st weeks of expansion I was making hundreds of thousands selling torgast on my pala
Then they made jt east 😢
mellow bridge
You can also do what I do for M+, which is Whetstone + BSS
Why would you ever run scale over aegis in m+ lol
And double on use is so overkill too
waxen orbit
Because I don't have an aegis
Also double on use is fine if one is defensive oriented while the other is offensive
sick sentinel
there is some fringe arguments to be made about dual on use if its like one that has a 20s cd and you have tons of haste (organ)
waxen orbit
Organ is dookie water
sick sentinel
nom, said that it would take like 2 minutes or something to get the full effect, and i noted differently where it would charge up to 9 stacks much more quickly than 2 minutes, meaning it would do more healing, but its still a shitter trinket
like, 40 seconds for me
mellow bridge
Aegis + BSS for M+
Well I'm kinda referring to that
Not really an offensive one in there
waxen orbit
I'm saying that because I know some people in the 2700 register who do that
mellow bridge
Bis combo is honestly aegis + matrix for m+
sick sentinel
i don't have either but imagine this is true
waxen orbit
Bis combo is honestly aegis + matrix for m+
I'd say matrix only really worth if you got a mythic variant
sick sentinel
probably some value in worthy in an all melee damage dungeon where you could stay above 50% whole time
ocean yoke
even just a 239 matrix is really good
mellow bridge
Double on use is just unnecessary with our defensives generally
And matrix pumps both offensively and defensively
waxen orbit
Just go full offensive second trinket lol
mellow bridge
I've gotten over 450k damage in a single sd run although that was indeed a mythic one
waxen orbit
I've hit 2600 with it without any issue
mellow bridge
Matrix does more than most offensive trinkets ngl
sick sentinel
i've done double trinkets succesfully in 15's just it's not my prefered
waxen orbit
Matrix does more than most offensive trinkets ngl
Phial >
sick sentinel
i prefer automagical trinkets that say "equip: do nothing and get a huge buff"
mellow bridge
It probably depends on your keylvl but matrix deals more than phial for me in 24/25s
While offering defensive value at the same time
That trinket is legit op lmao
Oh I do only have 246 phial tho
Might change if you got 252
sick sentinel
my trinkets are cursed because i don't do raiding
mellow bridge
Eh you can just farm scale and phial and be gucchi for the content you do yogi
sick sentinel
i got the 242 scale and the 219 phial
but i have a bunch of other really cursed ones like 246 viscera, 252 meathook, 246 organ 239 blade kit
waxen orbit
Literally sell all of that
sick sentinel
only the bottom row i even think about ever equipping
so, the decanter and viscera i'd use instead right now, or swap to meme trinkets, top row = dog shit never used once
mellow bridge
Can't you upgrade the phial?
Or do you still need valor for other stuff
No reason not to upgrade and always wear it imo
sick sentinel
i can, so long as i have valor to put into it, equiped is 252 hook and 242 scale or often decanter 246, ones I can not upgrade are iqd afe, just had HAD a 210 stoneheart in 9.0, but I had scale and afe which was considered good then
fringe marten
been using the Windscar Whetstone last couple days (at 246) it's 5 to 6% of my overalls in M+, pretty solid..but can't really use in raids.
Why aren't you full time using that 239 Blade kit? that thing is YUGE..best tank trinket NA~
brittle owl
it's so good even keeping it in bags is an increase
honest plinth
Why aren't you full time using that 239 Blade kit? that thing is YUGE..best tan...
So NA players are bad in your opinion? 😅
honest plinth
That trinket is legit op lmao
I think aegis+ows combo is better, or maybe i Just like high haste, if you able to be with 5 stacks most of time ofc
fringe marten
LOL I was joking about the bladekit..it's always been an awful trinket.
strong forum
So NA players are bad in your opinion? 😅
Yes 
fringe marten
I have a 246 OWS, and a 252 aegis with avoidance...but for middling/lower keys I'm not going to use defensive stuff like that. I like the OWS but it's just not a ? 'fun' trinket..nothing cool to look at in details about it. So on stuff where I can do more dps I'm using a 252 overwhelming crystal, or now that Whetstone. Paired with either a defense matrix or phial or something.
The heroic 239 Defense matrix is strong as hell; I'd really like to see what the mythic would do.
strong forum
Before 20s I wouldn't touch aegis
And just go with whetstone + matrix
And whetstone is OP on 5 targets or less btw
Like actually disgusting
fringe marten
Aegis is really nice but honestly even for stronger keys I think 252 scale and either OWS or a cheat trinket is better.. The aegis shines in situations that are pretty deadly in actually challenging keys and the Scale is just more flexible.
fringe marten
Why less? I didn't think it said anything about the damage being target capped, or even split?
strong forum
Whetstone has been nerfed instead of being entirely uncapped, they made it so it splits after 5 targets
However they buffed the base dmg whetstone does by 50%
So on 5 or less targets, whetstone does absurd amounts of damage
fringe marten
Oh it just doesn't SAY it reduces after 5+
Well it should be the same no? IF it's splitting properly it shouldn't matter.
strong forum
Tooltips are always wonky
Fact is, this trinket destroys on ST
And is still by far the best dps trinket out there
It does twice as much dmg as phial in m+
Upwards of 500 dps
fringe marten
Yeah it's out performing everything else on details at least; however..it's hard to see the passive boosts value from mastery VS flat mainstat.
strong forum
m8
fringe marten
Yeah it's doing about 6% zonewide for me, which isn't double phial though. So am I using it on 'too many' targets? is that the problem?
strong forum
Just because it doesn't have mainstat, doesn't mean that its not massively better than phial
If anything you're nto using it enough
fringe marten
it's 111 mastery vs 93 str IIRC right? (on phial/mainstat trink)
strong forum
93str vs 111 isn't over 200 dps loss
Sack +phial are equal in dmg roughly
And thats with mastery vs mainstat
fringe marten
I'm using it on CD; But does it do more or the same, if it's on say? 10 targets? vs 3, or 1.
urban portal
fringe marten
Sack shines in single target; it's great in raids...Sack/phial is my dps setup for raids, Aegis/OWS is my 'prog' or defensive setup.
strong forum
Sack also works fine in m+
Does about 350 dps
But whetstone should do around 500+
fringe marten
When I first got it, I ran a few zones with it and it was solid but less effective than on raid targets I found, I haven't revisited it in M+ for quite some time.
strong forum
Sack has more variance in dps in raid than in m+
Cuz in raid you can high or low roll
In m+ it'll average out
And Sack does the most dmg on 3 targets
fringe marten
Another trinket that's really slept on is the codex from that same dungeon that has the ticking sack; yeah it's a stam trinket..but the way it works it can, with good rng/procs do absurd damage on any fight where you actually take a lot of damage.
strong forum
Cuz you can proc 3 times on different targets doing 3x dmg
Instead of getting 3 procs on 1 target only doing 1x dmg
honest plinth
Like actually disgusting
It was, not now
fringe marten
What sucks is that, as you get more tanky and take less damage..it gets worse. When I first got codex and was using it while we were progging Guardian (which hits very hard) there were some fights it was like my #3 damage source.
strong forum
I've seen it do 1.4k dps in ST
fringe marten
Yeah it's very random though; you have to get good procs and have the proc active during the times you take large hits of damage.
But that codex of the first technique I don't think is simmable properly, so I think everyone just thinks it's bad. It actually has the potential to randomly be outrageously strong.
honest plinth
Ye its better for st now thats right
But aoe shredded, Yes its still very good, but not disgusting thats what i meant
fringe marten
So the wording on the Whetstone is misleading then, it divides it's damage up to 5 targets, then reduces after 5..but it's doing full damage to single target? so worth using on 1?
I'll have to try it that way then; there are pulls of like 3 mobs I'd hold it for..to use it on like 8 targets the next pull.
honest plinth
So the wording on the Whetstone is misleading then, it divides it's damage up to...
Yes its worth using on 1, but your max damage will be on 5
lofty bridge
Hey sorry to barge into y’all’s convo here, but I’m leveling a brand new prot tank and have a question.
fringe marten
which is?
lofty bridge
Why is indomitable better than never surrender in all situations? Because I feel like a large buff to IP would be a good thing.
Again. Brand new. Not even 60 yet.
fringe marten
IP just isn't strong to begin with, the quantity of the shield isn't that great, it's value is as a 40 rage spender, to get 4% hp from Indom..plus you only get as much boosted IP as HP% you're missing
strong forum
But aoe shredded, Yes its still very good, but not disgusting thats what i meant
It still is disgusting if the 2nd best trinket does 40% less dmg
fringe marten
so in order to get 100% more IP, you have to be almost dead.
honest plinth
It still is disgusting if the 2nd best trinket does 40% less dmg <:ratge:8903577...
Matrix is doing 40% less dmg in key? Hmm ill test it
strong forum
Why is indomitable better than never surrender in all situations? Because I feel...
10% ehp at all times, and 600+ hps from just indomitable. Even if you pump absolutely all rage into IP it'll never come close to that number in increase to regular IP
fringe marten
So in reality, you're getting like? 20, to 40% or so more Ignore pain..which is ? Not much more absorb..when you COULD have gotten a flat % of your HP as a heal on TOP of the IP you normally would have cast.
PLUS, as nom said..10% more flat HP is no joke.
strong forum
Matrix is doing 40% less dmg in key? Hmm ill test it
Matrix does like 300-350 dps
Whetstone 500-550dps
fringe marten
my heroic matrix is pretty solid..wish I had a mythic one.
lofty bridge
Ok thank you.
fringe marten
But yeah; as your gear scales up, and your HP along with it, every time you're dumping a shield block for 30 rage, healing 3% of that number..an IP, healing 4% of 90k+ revenge..3% of your HP again..etc
strong forum
For never surrender to be good you'd need to do over 1.6k hps with just IP before calculating Never Surrender in
Which is absurd amounts
fringe marten
it's just way way more healing/effective durability than having a slightly stronger IP, or a 'much' stronger IP if you're almost dead (which you won't be the VAST majority of the time)
strong forum
And only then it would break even
Usually IP hovers around 700 hps, often less
This was a baby key, but pretty much shows what's up
lofty bridge
Now would the new tier sets for 9.2 (as they are written) change any of that? Or would having a baseline improved IP that you can plan around just make never surrender that much more obsolete?
strong forum
No
You will never want to use the tierset outburst on anything other than Shield Slam
lofty bridge
Damn. For sure.
fringe marten
Also the way prot warrior plays, we mitigate ridiculous amounts of damage..so generally speaking we aren't spiking low that much so you barely get any mileage out of never surrender. Like on something like say..Mythic sylvanas; which is a REALLY hard hitting boss. My HP would be rock solid; then take HUGE spike damage from her Heartseeker barrage..then back to full and rock solid again. So never surrender would have had 'value' for ? 2 seconds right after the heart seeker barrage..and then been a dead talent again.
strong forum
It's just not worth it
honest plinth
This was a baby key, but pretty much shows what's up
Vulpera op, also i hate op and wish they will rework it one day
lofty bridge
You will *never* want to use the tierset outburst on anything other than Shield ...
Because it’s “effectiveness” and not damage right?
strong forum
Just built different
strong forum
Because it’s “effectiveness” and not damage right?
Also for dmg and for the fact that it gives you 45 rage
fringe marten
Where as the entire rest of the time while I"m holding stacks of a shadow dot (in the third phase of the fight) and my HP is constantly ticking down, or I'm taking standard boss auto attacks..I'm constantly healing bits of that damage every time I'm spending rage on ANYTHING with Indomitable.
strong forum
So 2 full revenges, or an entire IP
lofty bridge
Also for dmg and for the fact that it gives you 45 rage
That’s many rage points.
gaunt dawn
its more than 1 for sure
lofty bridge
At least 2
honest plinth
Keys are boring btw, we need more mobs like shade of zul 😅
fringe marten
That's just the way prot plays..you're pretty rock stable, taking little chips of damage you've blocked until you deal with a 'tank buster' mechanic then you're usually back to full quickly after you use a CD to manage it.
The only fights in the current raid where I would take scary spikey hits was Guardian, and Sylvanas..but sylvanas was predictable. Guardian would truck if you let him sneak in unblocked autos on you.
The rest of the raid you can use full 'dps' setups as far as trinkets and talents go; because you're HP is so stable.
honest plinth
Ye guardian is hitting Hard if you fail buuut its 10 pull boss so... :)
fringe marten
And that translates into other content as well, M+..etc..while block is up and you're tanking normally you're very stable and if the key is dangerous and block isn't up..you just aren't tanking; you're kiting...so again, never surrender wouldn't be paying dividends either.
honest plinth
And thanks for not being dickheads.
❤️
honest plinth
And that translates into other content as well, M+..etc..while block is up and y...
Never give up, never surrender, never kite 🚪
fringe marten
I hate kiting too; but you just can't facetank a big pack of trash in a key that's challenging for you; without block up.
lime urchin
honest plinth
😩
gaunt dawn
chads stay in
fringe marten
Up through 20's you can if you have decent gear generally facetank your way fully through most pulls, but that's dependant on your dps.
gaunt dawn
kiting is for nerds (or people who want to do higher level keys)
honest plinth
Gimme my bfa back
fringe marten
The only time it feels like bfa even slightly is the big pull in DoS in Ardenweald with the urn.
Everyone always asks "why don't you kite there?" "because I don't need to?..as long as there's no beak matriarch I can facetank an army in ardenweald"
gaunt dawn
that pull is kind of an S1 route
honest plinth
We still dont have td, huge td proc in huge pack, ouch
gaunt dawn
you go around the edge of the dragon now
patent osprey
All I do i kite T_T
honest plinth
All I do i kite T_T
Panthea called you nerd btw
gaunt dawn
Pika is a chad
fringe marten
Yeah I know i've seen a l ot of people do that? but I never adopted it because I just don't push keys that much.. M+ basically stops for me once myself and no one in guild is hunting anything from dungeons any more. rio score holds no value to me.
fringe marten
Once everyone has their phials and pox storms and IQD's and crap...I basically don't go back into M+ until the next time the ilevel gets updated (new tier).
fringe marten
OR..when there's new gear that I want..like in Legion keys right now.
It was amazing how many times I'd done those dungeons in legion, and remembered ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
As an actual DPS class like rogue or DH or something? I wonder how far the court of stars ring will punch up into the next tier? like 270 ilevel? maybe higher?
patent osprey
someone tell @ionic fern i still stream prot warrior keys ty
gaunt dawn
cant believe you abandoned the paladin @patent osprey
gaunt dawn
268 i think?
honest plinth
252 will be normal, 265 heroic, +7, so 272 if they will not change it
strong forum
Doubt we will see legion m+ in 9.2 early on
fringe marten
..kinda' like I said..270'ish; Either way..it has good value. I want to get the tank trinket, and then maybe the Frost proc one too.
strong forum
Otherwise, oh boi, we gonna see alot of people hunting those trinkets for the raid
fringe marten
Well regardless; now that it's IN the rotation unless they have some insane new ring, that ring will stay the BiS for melee dps. and the trinkets will stay really good.
gaunt dawn
15's should drop 262
fringe marten
Yeah hundy%..it's another "oh shit new tier..gotta' go farm my Scale and Phial..and Whetstone/Withered heart trinket"
brittle owl
someone tell <@!238357283996696576> i still stream prot warrior keys ty
I DUNNO IF YOU HEARD @ionic fern BUT PLKA STILL STREAMS PROT WARRIOR KEYS
honest plinth
15's should drop 262
Sure and you upgrade it to 272
fringe marten
That's the thing I've hated about shadowlands..same as BFA was. for BFA it was uhh? Atal'Dazar for Shadowlands it's been Plaguefall and DoS.. every new tier I just go set up a picnic bench in those dungeons and smash my face into them until I get my items.
honest plinth
Yeah hundy%..it's another "oh shit new tier..gotta' go farm my Scale and Phial....
Believe me or not, i bought 10 chests yday from New vendor and got all trinkets from dos
fringe marten
Did you not already have them?
honest plinth
Scale, iqd, and opc
fringe marten
I believe you; I just question why you didn't already have them?
honest plinth
I didnt played warrior that much this season thats why, also i was fury:)
fringe marten
Ah ok. What's fury hotness ? IQD and OWS or..Phial/ows? I would think it's like Fusion amp (or new legion one) and OWS/phial ?
honest plinth
That's the thing I've hated about shadowlands..same as BFA was. for BFA it was ...
Oh ye rezan trinket, need to admit that raid trinkets were like op
fringe marten
Atal'Dazar had..trinket, shield, weapon AND..? a helmet? I think?
honest plinth
Ah ok. What's fury hotness ? IQD and OWS or..Phial/ows? I would think it's l...
Ows, gland for keys
honest plinth
Ye
fringe marten
I have a mythic one in my bag I never use.
Yeah I figured it'd be IQD and some kinda' haste trink or passive damage like Phial.
For folks who use IQD; how often do you ever get the execute cast from it?
fringe marten
I use OPC/phial or OPC/matrix in any key I use my Seismic boots tanking in. But I think OPC got replaced by the Whetstone now as my on use DPS toy.
honest plinth
Seismic dream is dead😩
honest plinth
I mean you cNt push with it
honest plinth
I mean its dead coz we will need to use cov leggo
Reprisal + seismic ouch
Thats why its dead
fringe marten
Oh you mean when we can do the 2 legendaries?
honest plinth
Ye ye
fringe marten
That's just a regular one and the covenant one right?
it HAS to be covenant legendary?
honest plinth
Yep
blazing condor
Yush
fringe marten
Kyrian one is at least decent for damage; but I wonder is the 2nd covenant legendary enough to influence a change away from Kyrian?
blazing condor
Nature’s fury pumps
Glory is gonna be sick in raids
Remains to be tested though but everything but venthyr is gonna be viable
fringe marten
For me; as someone who Raids and does Keys as well..just not pushing them that hard..I feel Kyrian is still the better choice.
blazing condor
Im kyrian and EM is nice
honest plinth
I think nf leggo > kyrian for keys but thats imo
fringe marten
I know they're all decent/competitive...or at least the good ones are.
blazing condor
But crit dmg isnt gonna be better than mastery + avatar in raids
patent osprey
venthyr gang!!
fringe marten
Yeah the lego probably is; but is it enough to make it overall the better choice?
blazing condor
venthyr gang!!
honest plinth
For me; as someone who Raids and does Keys as well..just not pushing them that h...
We can dwap covenant now so, you can be necro for st, and kyrian or nf for aoe(its an example)
fringe marten
Fae has always been more damage as far as I understand it; but it's the loss of the Kyrian Phial that's kinda' kept me from going over to Fae.
patent osprey
Fae has always been more damage as far as I understand it; but it's the loss of ...
Kyrian is more overall damage
fringe marten
Yeah Coba but I'm such a lazy POS I keep saying I 'want' to go unlock/level up Necrolord..and never do.
patent osprey
NF is more for the utility of AA
fringe marten
Wow I thought fae still had more damage? did Mikanikos put kyrian over the top then?
Is Kyrian more damage if you can hit multiple targets with spear consistently?
honest plinth
Kyrian is more overall damage
Its all about mika, broken shit😅
fringe marten
Oh yeah..mikanikos is my homie. He's even insanely OP as a mission table companion~ lol
I was SO HAPPY to finally drop Pelagos' dogwater self~ I HATED chasing those orbs in raid.
mighty valley
I don’t care I’m going back to venthyr
honest plinth
Is Kyrian more damage if you can hit multiple targets with spear consistently?
Ye im pretty sure mika is Just op, so kyrian is better in terms of damage in S2, but in s1 Nf was stronger in this term for sure
blazing condor
For raids rn it doesnt really matter
Nf and Kyr are both at the top
With reprisal/natures fury
Maybe one or two EMs
honest plinth
Em is most popular pick in top 100 logs btw
fringe marten
Pika does kyrian being more damage depend on maintaining the reduced timer for spear; or is it more damage even on a single target? the passive damage from Burrs and the rest of nya's tree were really strong
blazing condor
Its popular but not a clear winner
patent osprey
Pika does kyrian being more damage depend on maintaining the reduced timer for s...
it's more about overall damage not in ST
blazing condor
You see just as many reprisals and nfs
honest plinth
I mean its not few:)
patent osprey
I think in ST niya would pull ahead
fringe marten
Right; so it's more damage in keys due to the reduced spear timer?
that's what I thought.
blazing condor
Havent really looked at logs for a month or so so its probably changed now ye
patent osprey
but overall dam is spear for sure
blazing condor
Was fewer before
fringe marten
Plus that haste boost from hammer of genesis is no joke.
mighty valley
Condemn makes the coolest noise the most often though… not enough people are talking about this
fringe marten
basically it's weaker free ITF, so you can run hammer of genesis and Anger mans and kinda' have both.
It's just unfortunate that because of the hammer node, we kinda' don't get to use Adaptive armor fragment conduit; because that's a pretty solid 'new' conduit.
honest plinth
Condemn makes the coolest noise the most often though… not enough people are tal...
Ye condemn has a great animation too, buuut... 😅
fringe marten
When I finally become not a lazy worthless human; I will get Necrolord to 80 renown so I can be useful to other people once~ Then go back to Kyrian.
mighty valley
If I was world’s first raiding I’d switch, but I’m not, so… venthyr gang gang
honest plinth
No simp
fringe marten
I mean? Limit used a prot warrior in most of Nathria and SoD race right? what covenant was he? Kyrian right?
honest plinth
It doesnt matter what covenant ppl are using on race, its not the same as regullar game or farm
fringe marten
I don't think people give the phial enough credit; in a raid situation especially when you're undergeared because you're 'racing' early in the tier...the phial is a REALLY powerful tank tool.
honest plinth
For example they used nf boomkinz
fringe marten
Everyone used nightfae boomkins, then they all swapped to venthyr when SoD hit.
honest plinth
They used nf in sod world 1st race
Thats why im talking that doesnt matter what cov he was on race
fringe marten
More consistent burst; Venthyr boomchicken needs some PI and more ramp I think.
mighty valley
Limit def had venthyr boomkins, I remember max complaining about how they fucked up their cov ability a lot
fringe marten
Well it matters in so far as..Harrow said "if I was world first racing.." but I think even in world first race I thought limits prot warrior was kyrian? or was he fae?
honest plinth
Maybe thats why echo had nfs and won haha
mighty valley
For normal players your personal systems optimization isn’t gonna be a significant factor in whether you clear content or not
fringe marten
But yeah for the tank it doesn't make a huge difference..in fact the only Covenant that would have 'mattered' as a world first racing tank would be: as a prot warrior going Venthyr specifically for painsmith.
mighty valley
If you get a kick out of putting out the best numbers, have fun figuring it out, but it’s gonna be a tiny factor
fringe marten
When we progged it I used the triple leap boots for painsmith.. not necessary but it just made having more uptime on him and removing a couple times where you make a 'tight' run back.
mighty valley
Yeah that probably helped, where WF raiders really just need maximum output
fringe marten
Yeah but it probably is the maximum output option as prot war for that fight.
But that's not why I used them.
fringe marten
Speaking of which; what is optimal renown route? Buy the 40 renown token, mash torghast layer 9 until 70, then do campaign?