protection

[fair maple]

must have been small

[waxen orbit]

Do you have an IP tracker?

It’s worth getting one for M+

[fair maple]

yeah i have a IP tracker

[patent osprey]

I just shield blocked the 2nd annihilate and it's fine

u really need to use cds for 3rd and 4th or ull die

1st and 2nd SB is enough

[inland raft]

Thats cuz vulpera army intimidates kruul

[sick sentinel]

I'd love to give advice on m+ related stuff but I fail too many keys to be trusted source

[patent osprey]

failing is the best way to learn @sick sentinel ;)

[inland raft]

Plka why you no longer stream at a time i can watch?

[patent osprey]

I'm sorry @inland raft :(

not alot of content to stream recently

9.2 u can troll me all u want

haha

I stream earlier on Wed Thurs and Mondays usually though

[inland raft]

True who even plays wow anymore? I did my tanks this week in mt and back off again

9.2 waiting room

[fair maple]

i give up. I think optimization is the next step. going in on some scrubby warrior isn't the play

[brittle owl]

idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am

[mellow lintel]

I remember I only needed basic mitigation for the 2 slaps, third was Last Stand and Rally, then just shield wall with mitigation for 4th.

[fair maple]

DONE§

@patent osprey Your guild is perfect. I ended up Shield blocking the first two, last stand + IP + SB 3rd & the 4th was demp + ip + sb + wall

https://tenor.com/view/thank-fuck-phew-nervous-relieved-sweating-gif-13800809

[patent osprey]

👍

[young harbor]

how many infernals did the successful folks have up going into p2

[fallow fiber]

i just watched my guardian buddy do the fight

both p1 and ph2 bosses have much less health. He's lookin at a 4-5 min kill

i dont even phase until 7 minutes...

already got the set as fury, just looking to vent - appreciate your attention!

[formal forge]

Oh wow I just realized Plka is active on this server, I just hardly check out the prot channel pog

[jagged pier]

If its taking u 7 mins to phase u are doing the fight drasticly wrong

[brittle owl]

wow toxic much? i thought this was a discord to share experience and teach new players, not some clown fiesta for power trip maniacs to flex different colored names smh

[jagged pier]

Truth hurts sometimes

[fast knot]

The faster and cleaner you get to p2 gives you more orbs to plan around Kruul

Hanging around and having to blow them on bad infernal overlaps is going to screw you

[jagged pier]

Im just happy i did druid before the nerf

[brittle owl]

did you screen your gear

with the achiev too

[jagged pier]

I may have linked to my char in the vid description

Not gunna lie tho the nerf to kruuls hp basically meams u cant 4 annilhates now on druid

[brittle owl]

o shit you recorded it

[jagged pier]

Yer

[brittle owl]

link?

[jagged pier]

Ill dm as its druid

[brittle owl]

ok

[strong forum]

Built different

[brittle owl]

severe psychosis

[jagged pier]

Im kinda sad they nerfed it tbh we pretty much perfectly tuned in my eyes

[sonic dome]

agreed

i think alot of people were convinced that you needed some insane tw set to do it when thats not true

[strong forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/856973963230183475/918897862622982194/unknown-59.png

[sonic dome]

big facts

[jagged pier]

There was a guy who did it in 3 mins but he had like 20+ sockets

🤔

[sonic dome]

the entitlement in this game has been getting worse year over year, felt nice to have something super hard that i had to really focus on

then it just gets nerfed

and now its like welp

[jagged pier]

And even sone ppl with sets like that still couldng do it

[sonic dome]

i love the mount tbh

im pretty happy with it

[strong forum]

they need more challenging solo content which rewards unique cosmetics

emphasis on challenging

then wow would thrive alot more tbh

[sonic dome]

then you get the "all blizzard does is make content for the 1%"

when mage tower is legit the only thing i can think of that was for the 1% but it got out scaled and then now nerfed

[strong forum]

wasnt even for the 1% in legion

i was ultra casual, didnt raid or do m+

i only did world quests

[jagged pier]

^^

[sonic dome]

yea thats what i meant about out scaled

[strong forum]

and i killed it week3 being undergeard

with sub 900 ilvl

[sonic dome]

i did a couple on day 1

they were decently challenging

[jagged pier]

Like lets put it this way though, literally 90% of the player base dont do anything

And literally cant do anything

[strong forum]

current tower was much easier for me because i had severly better gear this time around

like severely better

[jagged pier]

I just wish ppl would be willing to learn that adapt

[sonic dome]

i wish they would just template the whole thing

not because i want a template

[strong forum]

that would be ideal

[sonic dome]

but because that stops the complaints

people would have to own up to the fact that they just arent good enough

[strong forum]

it wont stop complaints but people would have 1 more thing that nudges them into the direction of"maybe youre just not as good as you thought you were"

[sonic dome]

realistically yeah

[jagged pier]

Well there will still be far too mamy ppl that cant do them even after the nerf

[sonic dome]

people would still say its just too hard

[strong forum]

theres players out there complaining that world quests are too hard

[sonic dome]

cant stand the fact that maybe they cant get everything

[jagged pier]

I mean thank god they did nerf the prot warrior one its far too easy to being with

[sonic dome]

honestly it took me until a couple hours ago just to oget the mount but

[strong forum]

people out there complaining that world quests dont reward mythic raid ilvl because they pay the same sub 🙂

[sonic dome]

then theres people like meeres

who did all 36 specs

[strong forum]

12 specs a day is

yeah.

[sonic dome]

thats literally insane

[jagged pier]

Have till 4th of jan to do that

[sonic dome]

im still not sure how i feel about the extend

[strong forum]

i did the 1 i remotely care about

[sonic dome]

i get the whole some people may have been busy or w/e

[strong forum]

[sonic dome]

but

i put in the time so it feels bad

[strong forum]

also, huh? its gonna leave 21st Dec no?

[sonic dome]

no

[strong forum]

did they extend?

[sonic dome]

its extended another 2 weeks

[potent dirge]

Got extended

[strong forum]

lmoa

[sonic dome]

yea

[strong forum]

MUH TOWER

[jagged pier]

I mean o want the feat but i think i should have got it anyway as i did all of the in legion think there should have ither been one then or they gave it to u if u have all rdy now

[sonic dome]

i wanted the feat of strength until i got absolutely dunked on day 1 by a few of the challenges

but now its like w/e

so much time

so many nerfs

im sure this wont even be the last of the nerfs either

[jagged pier]

Im just arguing i should have the feat anyways XD

[sonic dome]

ironic for the first time in history im actually upset blizzard listened to the community

[strong forum]

so far the nerfs arent outrageous

but theyre also nerfing TW gear

[sonic dome]

as they should

the less people think u need it the more copium to go around for the rest of us

[jagged pier]

I dunno im in 2 minds, reduckng kruuls hp kind of removes the hard part, like the druid one for instance i was consistantly wiping at 2-4%

So with the nerf i would have never got to the surviving that last annhilate

🤷‍♂️

[sonic dome]

the dps check isnt really a dps check

and its more of orb management

[jagged pier]

So im like its good but u probably wont get annhilate 4 anymore

[strong forum]

i think this was moreso done because pwar/vdh/monk are quite easier than bdk/pally/druid

hence the nerfs

[jagged pier]

Mean true

100% agree with that

But the challenge off kruul for me in druid anyway was surviving that 4th annhilate

[sonic dome]

i havnt done it on druid yet, wild how easy it was on warrior to survive the annihilates

sb, sb, sb+demo, sb+wall

[jagged pier]

Its very mich the same on druid

But i kept using survival instinct like too early

So i would just die at 4%

[sonic dome]

the knockbacks are mostly what gatekept me

[jagged pier]

But then again i didnt even get 3 annhilates on warrior

[sonic dome]

i tried to play too greedy with leap

[jagged pier]

So i dont why im complaining 😂

[hasty fjord]

Hello, how do I post a log for those that in the "know" to review it and get back to me with some pointers?

[sonic dome]

cntrl c + cntrl v

[hasty fjord]

From the file or loggerhead? from the file it would be a txt file?

[sonic dome]

from the website

theres also a channel for log review

#449510248579858432

is the log not uploaded to warcraftlogs?

[hasty fjord]

Oh ok, odd no one has mentioned that place, lol, no I have it in warcraftlogs.

[jagged pier]

U can link in here

[sonic dome]

you can just copy and paste the actual log

[waxen orbit]

Whetstone is slightly busted

[sonic dome]

anyone who is going to review it doesnt need anything special. they know how to navigate logs

shouldve seen whetstone pre nerf

there were clips of sjele using it on his warlock doing 250k dps a pack

[jagged pier]

Its getting nerfed i think

[waxen orbit]

Definitely is

It beat my shield slam damage kekw

[jagged pier]

Also 9.7k with whetstone come on man

Should be ez 10k

[sonic dome]

take that baby into mists and break 11k

[waxen orbit]

Was the group's first time in Court

Had to take it easy

[jagged pier]

The top damage we know for pwarror in mists is 13.4k and it was done months ago

[sonic dome]

jesus

i dont really follow prot that much but thats insane

[jagged pier]

Nah late just likes pressing revenge

[fast knot]

Fuck man I need a Whetstone

My groups hate CoS though lol

[hasty fjord]

Ok I am trying everything I know of cntrl c and v and I must be doing something wrong. From which tab or page am I able to copy the log from? And please break it down for me as simple as possible. I know that may seem lame, yet sadly I am not "tech" savy....

[sonic dome]

are you on the warcraftlogs website with your log open?

[hasty fjord]

Yes

[sonic dome]

click on the url at the top highlight the entire thing

right click

copy

go to this channel

right click

paste

enter

[woven laurel]

can i find this guy on youtube?

[hasty fjord]

This screen, or a diferent one?

[strong forum]

late doesnt make content no

[jagged pier]

^^

[woven laurel]

ah ok thanks

[jagged pier]

I can tell u what he did tho

He ran seismic and pulled trash onto of bosses to make sure that he could keep the buff up it was also spiteful so siesmic basically never dropped

[hasty fjord]

Ok yall in the know, what am I missing about pasting a log either in this channel or the log-review one? I am not able to copy, and I am unsure from which tab or page from the web site I am able too? I did post a screen pic asking if it was the right spot?

[lofty widget]

Go on the actual website on chrome/what ever and find the log there, then you can paste the url as others mentioned

[woven laurel]

im just curious what should my haste/vers spread look like?

[jagged pier]

vers doesnt matter

[woven laurel]

helps w dr 🙂

sitting at 28% haste and 16% vers rn

[jagged pier]

it does so little it doesnt matter

case in point @strong forum was doing 17s at the start of the season with 2% vers

[woven laurel]

ok thanks

[strong forum]

and with 226 ilvl!!

cough

[woven laurel]

lmao

[waxen orbit]

Was this a 15?

Or >?

[hasty fjord]

I hope this does it. Also side not if this works the biggest area of concern is the hallway at the end following Kraal. Thank you https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ywaf6AQhJXR37j12#fight=1&type=summary

[woven laurel]

so is haste the only stat that rlly matters?

[jagged pier]

i dunno like an 18 or something

[jagged pier]

dom sockets > ilvl > haste

[waxen orbit]

Man had to have a god-tier healer to pull like that

And a group with more than 4 brain cells

[jagged pier]

nah if u play well enough its fine

[waxen orbit]

13.4k DPS requires fucking nutty big pulls tho

And on an 18 lots of healers can't handle what that would entail

[jagged pier]

not really just over 3 mobs everytime and its spirteful

so it just carries on when they die

[waxen orbit]

Ohhh spiteful

Okay that makes sense then

I didn't catch that

[fast knot]

Wish my tanks rolled Spiteful into other packs, they just fuck off and let the dps run around like headless chickens

[waxen orbit]

We paddin in this house

[fast knot]

Can't Intimidating my double Spiteful either, that's a wasted CD

so we dead boys

[waxen orbit]

J shockwave it

[fast knot]

I tank every so often, more just saying I appreciate the real ones that look out for the melee boys

If I could relearn how to tank and get a healer that doesn't immediately assume I'll fall over I'd go back in a heartbeat

[strong forum]

god DG is depressing to read

its all just a bunch of people trying to find gear to abuse in Timewalking

holy fuck

instead of getting good

[jagged pier]

but now u can just link my vid

proves u dont need gear and was done before nerf

[strong forum]

You think they accept that

Mael and me posted it twice

Fully ignored

[jagged pier]

ppl dont want to believe what they think is impossible

im proud of that kill tbh

was really fun doing it as well

literally did it to show ppl it was doable now its ignored

[brittle owl]

makes spergs shut up tho

i get giddy imagining them seethe behind the keyboard

[jagged pier]

😂

i want salty remarks to it tho

[brittle owl]

nah, the video is legit set game match

no outplay

[jagged pier]

well true

[jagged girder]

Is it me or spell reflection doesnt work on mind rend?

speaking about tower mage spell filler

[jagged pier]

It doesnt

U want to use it on the adds anyways

[jagged girder]

to reflect 1 10% arcane dmg debuff?

[jagged pier]

U can shockwave stack them

And it one shots them also just redyces the damage they do to u

[jagged girder]

got it

thanks for the tip

[jagged girder]

Is SB worthless in Kruul P1?

[sonic dome]

use it when the adds come

very useful then

they melee attack, so shield block good

[lime urchin]

Shield block increase shield slam damage with 30%

😅

[jagged girder]

Brainless main ranged dps here 🙋‍♂️

[jagged pier]

We only SB for damage

No defensive value

[jagged girder]

Yep I was reviewing my detail and melee dmg taken in P1 is very low

[lone eagle]

spell reflecting Kruul

Do I need to cast it before he even starts his cast

or only before it goes off

it just seemed like it went through my Spell Reflect

[jagged pier]

No

[lone eagle]

I cast it like, .5s before he finished casting it

[jagged pier]

The small adds can eat your SR if u have them up

[lone eagle]

ahh kk

[lone eagle]

another one down

thanks for the tip

just have BDK left

did it with like, crap gear and killed him well before the 4th annihilate

the Demonsbane Heirloom from WoD is nuts

[jagged pier]

Yer the p warrior one is a joke

[lone eagle]

yeah

if you guys have this heirloom from back in the day, its busted for the challenge on Str tanks

had like 90% uptime in p1

and like 30-40% uptime in p2

[jagged pier]

I mean u dont even need that and it dies before the 3rd annhilate

[lone eagle]

yeah, just useful for BDKs and Ppals who have a considerably harder challenge haha

[sonic dome]

who had*

after the nerfs they have a significantly easier time

[trail brook]

Lets go kruul dead

Never pressed execute harder

[jagged pier]

[mellow bridge]

I'm honestly shocked that the pally one got nerfed

It didnt feel that difficult to me

BDK nerfs are understandable tho, that was pretty hard

[jagged girder]

I'm just failing at paying attention to not go F16 mode

[tame valley]

is there a free conduit upgrade on the ptr?

[strong forum]

No clue

Do you even get higher ilvl conduits in 9.2?

[tame valley]

i think so but my warrior alt doesnt even have 252 conduits so i was hoping i could free upgrade it

[sonic dome]

there is no free conduit upgrade on ptr

[jagged pier]

Well thats fine conduits suck for prot warrior

Doesnt matter what ilvl they r

[strong forum]

^

[dry apex]

uhm i some how did it

[strong forum]

Ye it completes as long as the npcs survive and you don't release prematurely

[inland raft]

Glad i can say i did protpal prenerf, felt good to do the nerfs seem a bit drastic

[mellow bridge]

I dont get the pally nerf at all tbh

you have so much shit to deal with p2

[strong forum]

It's so funny

Skyhold all omega chill

And DG is burning

Literally in flames

[jagged pier]

Cause noones doig the prot challenge cause tmog is shit, fury is easier and also and the big one no ome play pro warriori

[mellow bridge]

I actually like the set

am I weird

[sweet summit]

paladin one is actually not bad

definitely one of the better ones

[strong forum]

I just have my normal SL gear

You seem to miss hitting buttons if you can't get into p2, or let drain life go off

Never let drain life go off

There has to be something

Cuz like 5 elementals is 3 too many

[sweet summit]

are you just playing too passively?

[strong forum]

Really need to actively bumrush variss, clear eyes

As soon as stacks clear go in again

Go to 5-8 stacks of the debuff

And then go out again

[jagged pier]

5 infernals sounds like not enough uptime of variss

U need to be a little agressive

[mellow bridge]

either youre just not pressing your buttons enough or your uptime isnt enough

[jagged pier]

🤔

What buttons you pressing?

What talents u running?

so u arent pressing revenge?

[strong forum]

i found this time around the challenge much easier than in legion

🥺

[distant crystal]

are we talking MT launch legion or

waiting for BFA legion

[jagged pier]

much easier than launch leagion @distant crystal

[strong forum]

press revenge

alot

its a big dmg source

[jagged pier]

revenge is a huge damage source

[sick sentinel]

you've already done it before though lol, thats the same in every video game

once you run it enough its second nature, its part of you

[sweet summit]

i'd never seen it before, and once i learned what everything did it was pretty straight forward

[strong forum]

Yes I've done it before, once, 3 years ago

Nvm 5 years ago

Not 3

[sweet summit]

👴

[strong forum]

But now I have had much better gear available

That's why it was much easier now

[sick sentinel]

its like doom original doom, if i started to play that right now, wouldn't matter chocolate doom, windows 95 doom, gzdoom i'd still be able to clown on that game like nothing

[strong forum]

After my 2nd attempt I got kruul to 10% already

[sick sentinel]

cuz, i just know precisely how everything works in that

i've watched all the videos that say imp has a certain % chance to be pain stated by bullet vs plasma

so, there is no questions for me and then i just rip through it

[modern brook]

Lmao 2nd attempt Andy over here 8)

[strong forum]

[sick sentinel]

for me it will be 2000th attempt andy

[waxen orbit]

We all know it’s coming soon

Abuse this shit while you can

Go ahead and get your easy 100 KT parses with this and Sack

[lime urchin]

I am trying the mage tower now too! exciting!

[warm flax]

Compared to other tanks, how hard is the prot warr mage tower? Ive never played tank in my life

[jagged pier]

its easy

[lime urchin]

is the dudu still hard?

[jagged pier]

probably

[lime urchin]

I wish I could say I find mage tower easy too :-((

it is taking quite some tries to get into the rythm tbh

[jagged pier]

well if u havent done it before it will be tough

[strong forum]

need to have cool sunglasses to beat MT

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/892149827033518132.png?size=96

[lime urchin]

I see

cool sunglasses, check

lets see how this goes

[strong forum]

ez1shot

[jagged pier]

love TW

[sweet summit]

ah yes

as it should be

[jagged pier]

HoA fury of xuen

rage out my arse

and current leggos and dom sockets

[fervent axle]

i did it

i BEAT KRUUL!

[jagged pier]

[mellow bridge]

Pog

[patent osprey]

[ionic fern]

[quasi copper]

hi, guys who done Kruul, any average of dps what you had?

[jagged pier]

800 ish i think

[strong forum]

depends on how much you pad on infernals, that inflates DPS, but i ended mine with like 740

[quasi copper]

ok, I think im about 650-800 aswell but I dont see whole lot last phase with drums and potion

so its not that im lagging dps like crazy

how many annihilates, 4 max?

Im going with ravager aswell so I dont know if my single target is shitty

not utilizing into the fray haste well enough

[strong forum]

i pref ravager

[thorn ether]

what's the sequence of defensives on kruul ?

SB , SB+shout , SB+the hp one , sb + sw?

[strong forum]

SB is enough for the first 2

but yeah generally that works

i used
SB
SB
SB+Wall
SB+ LS + Rally

[thorn ether]

Do you have any tips for me going in for first time ?

like talents?

[strong forum]

talents like usual nothing fancy

[jovial mesa]

Save some orbs for 2nd phase

[thorn ether]

i have done guardian one , i know the layout . Dont really know how it will play out on warrior

[strong forum]

kill eyes, abuse victory rush, use orbs as you need them but having 2-3 starting in p2 is good

abuse Victory Rush is the most important then

if you know the fight

[thorn ether]

i was more worried about the adds cast

[strong forum]

warri is alot easier than Guardian

adds dont cast for warrior

[thorn ether]

oh

and i guess u need to min max stacks since u need to be melee for dmg?

[jovial mesa]

you can use spell reflect on the little adds

[thorn ether]

i heard it works on kruul as well

[strong forum]

5-8 stacks

[thorn ether]

does it do dmg ?]

[strong forum]

no

not on kruul

but you can reflect twisted reflection

so he heals you instead

[thorn ether]

that's neat

[jovial mesa]

always be on the move or be ready to charge / jump if the infernals knock you off

[thorn ether]

Like this ? also Decanter or phial is better?

[jovial mesa]

i would run indomitable

[mellow bridge]

IV is useless

go indom

you have a shitton of victory rush proccs anyways

and even without IR does less overall

go booming voice as well and use demo shout as a dmg cd

[strong forum]

yeah dont run Impending

ever

Indom is way too good

[thorn ether]

how many elementals are ok for p2?

i feel i dont do a lot of dmg

[strong forum]

2 is good

3 is playable

4 is yikeish

[thorn ether]

no way i get 3

[strong forum]

keep at it

be more greedy

[jagged pier]

always GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED

[thorn ether]

I think i need time walk gear to get with 2

prolly 3 is possible it will be clutch i think

[strong forum]

na

you really dont

[thorn ether]

this setup i'm running

[strong forum]

dont use phial

it fucking SUCKS in there

[sick sentinel]

wait which covenant

[thorn ether]

these are the options

[sick sentinel]

glass

do the wine glass

it hits for aoe and fucks

[strong forum]

mh

all kinda suck but decanter will do better i think?

the 252 decanter*

[sick sentinel]

at 242/246 phial vs decanter-lite 252 would be interesting conversation

[thorn ether]

it's 50

[strong forum]

well its for Mage tower

[thorn ether]

ilvl bro

😛

[strong forum]

so ilvl doesnt matter

[sick sentinel]

i know this is memevorrior, but whats the play we are going for here?

why does he exists

9.2 test?

im curious the covenant stuff and where you intend to take him

i'm still in the same boat as you where i have to level up my phial trinket mine i got 2 weeks or so ago, 210

[thorn ether]

this warrior is just a toon i had geared but accually never bothered playing

i did for m+ but i really hate pugging as a prot warrior

[sick sentinel]

it's..... hit and miss... and you can really fuck your group over is what i've learned

stand in front of mobs with shield block up spam shield slam and revenge, use charges and reflect spells harder for me to do than it honestly should be

[thorn ether]

well for pugging you need to heavily relly on ur skillset to carry the group. And in my opinion prot warrior lacks the tools for big control over packs compared to others tanks i have played like dh,brew,bear. Bear is the same but bear doesn't really die under cd's

[sick sentinel]

it's really tough to do perfect gameplay i find,

[thorn ether]

it really is , warrior isn't easy.Playing with people you dont talk with questionable skillset makes it even harder.

[sturdy sable]

Ancient aftershock would like to say hello

[sweet summit]

@mellow bridge ran the mage tower check macro and now my computer died tyvm

[mellow bridge]

what LOL

that's impressive

[sweet summit]

idk it just froze for like a minute

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-gauntlet-snap-finger-snap-gif-12502580

[sick sentinel]

my key when turn my back / don't interupt / use avatar demo first

[thorn ether]

@strong forum well p2 was way easier than guardians p2. But p1 was a bit rough.

[mossy ferry]

I did it! Probably about 40-50 pulls total.

[sweet summit]

[mossy ferry]

If anyone posts the ritual meme, I would be honored.

I think it was a little easier than doing it in early Legion, though still pretty tough. I'd like to say it was all skill but honestly I could have played better in almost every attempt when I got to Kruul.

[sweet summit]

which ritual meme?

idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am

that one?

[mossy ferry]

@sweet summit 😄

@strong forum Thanks for the tip on Cyclotronic. I've been farming up Mechagon rep to get it for the last couple days and it made a big difference.

Also for the tip to not bother with more than 3 annihilates. I made a macro to pop everything I have for the third one, because I was getting tripped up trying to hit the right CDs for the right annihilates.

[sweet summit]

[mossy ferry]

I also made a macro to target Kruul and activate every DPS CD and hit Shield Slam and it made a big difference getting clean transitions. I could just hammer one button for a couple GCDs and focus on dodging infernal slams until I stabilized a bit.

But yeah. I feel like I probably wouldn't have been able to do it without cheesing up a bunch of socketed gear and optimal trinkets (used Cyclotronic & Arcanocrystal). Mad respect to people who do it in full SL gear.

[vale coral]

just finished the bear challenge, now looking at warrior, how is it?

[sweet summit]

bear took me over 10x more pulls than warrior 🙃

i think you'll be fine

[vale coral]

dope, whats the set up people are using

[sweet summit]

i played this

[vale coral]

tyty

[sweet summit]

dragon roar is apparently good as it lines up with add waves if you use it on CD

and ItF is also playable

storm bolt good if you need the extra stun

that's about it i think

[vale coral]

tahnks man

[uneven river]

this hurt lol

[sweet summit]

execute harder

[uneven river]

indeed

[sweet summit]

[mossy ferry]

I had a couple 1% deaths and a 0%. Suuuuucks.

[uneven river]

yeh im having a few of them tonight lol

is dying tonight tho

[sweet summit]

literally me doing bear

[uneven river]

yeh im not looking forward to starting bear

[sweet summit]

the emerald nightmare first boss trinket hard carried me LOL

not even gonna deny it

[uneven river]

lol

[urban portal]

damn abusing old trinkets

[sweet summit]

hell yea

i fucking suck at bear

need all the advantages i can get

[urban portal]

have u tried thrash

[blazing condor]

Also incarn

[sweet summit]

incarn

GG cranks

[sick sentinel]

i'd boost a druid but knowing my luck they'd get nerfed to hell in 9.2

[uneven river]

4 specs in case of that

[sick sentinel]

did a rogue and haven't really played it much tbh, but then again i have a mage i also never play at 60
either druid or lock if i do 2nd one, can't really see my self playing DH shaman

[mellow bridge]

The leech aoe one?

Still trying to decide if I actually want to learn some bear or just make it easier with some cheese lol

[gloomy cradle]

I boosted a bear on Monday, tower is definitely not the worst place to learn how to use your toolkit

[bleak sundial]

so im trying prot warrior for mage tower can you spell reflect annihilate?

[thorn ether]

no

you can spell reflect the twisted reflections

and basically be full hp for the majority ofp2

[bleak sundial]

ideal stacks for dipping out? 3-4?

[mossy ferry]

5-6 is pretty safe. Can do up to 8 or so if you want to be aggressive.

[urban portal]

Does bear really have a kit tho

It's probably the easiest tank to pick up

The skill expression is whether you can pull 15 mobs or 20

[sick sentinel]

I dunno man there were plenty of times when prot warrior was good, and they are in my my mind an a or s pick for leveling in lfg spam leveling

All of vanilla good, I want to say also I think maybe in cata ?

[urban portal]

Best lfg tank has to be something like brew or prot pal

Something that does a shit ton of damage with no cds

[sick sentinel]

In leveling content prot warrior does great dps

Can't remember too much about leveling in cata but I just remembered doing way more damage than anybody by far for lots of dungeons in a row, did over 40 lvls that day because how efficient dng was

[low kindle]

only a 15 vault, but that trinket is pretty good lmfao

[plush tendon]

4 Tmogs down 😄

time to level and learn how to play warlock

[brittle owl]

remeber kids, if this version of mage tower is giving you trouble, just develop sever psychosis so you too can just sort of zone out like youre not in your body and youre just playing your character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who you can be too

[jagged pier]

Still doesnt seem right in here @brittle owl

[brittle owl]

washed up

[jagged pier]

The first one was the best i think

[brittle owl]

hands down one for the ages yeah

[modern brook]

Warrior owns

I forgot how much I love this class

[ionic fern]

[sweet summit]

yeah

[uneven river]

finally managed to finish it on prot glad that shit is over

[jagged pier]

just wait till u try druid

:Yep:

[uneven river]

yeh lol thats where im heading next

and im dogshit at druid

so that will be fun

[blazing condor]

[sweet summit]

[formal kayak]

stamina flask or strength flask for mage tower?

[sweet summit]

strength

[gaunt dawn]

hi pals

spell reflect Q

on fatescribe if you reflect the tank swap, does it just stop the first of the 3 hits?

and then gets consumed

[sweet summit]

yea

[gaunt dawn]

cheers xo

[mellow gorge]

What was the overall dps?

[strong forum]

judging from the % id say about 6.5 - 7k

[tardy oak]

guys is there any m+ dungeon that is faster and has higher drop chance to drop a 1h weapon for tanking?

[sick sentinel]

Not to my knowledge no probably just unlucky

[tardy oak]

atm prot war is in good spot for m+?

[mellow bridge]

any tank is

[tardy oak]

so all are the same efficiently wise?

[sick sentinel]

But like, on my protection warrior I get loot options for 2hand weapons from wq all the time and swords for my dagger rogue !! >.>

[mellow bridge]

unless you are planning to do 26+ keys or so

your tank choice wont matter

[sick sentinel]

Even with both characters loot specced for current gives me different options

[mellow bridge]

that's how WQs work, yeah

[blazing condor]

Mists is fast and easy to spam for a good wep

NW also gives a good one iirc and with a good route that ones quick.

[sick sentinel]

I dunno, I'd have to actively pay ,ore attention to it

[tardy sequoia]

so i arrive at 20% with 5 annihilation stacks, dmg seems really low

wtf can I do

[mossy ferry]

Lots of things. What are your trinkets, talents, and consumables?

[jagged pier]

your obviously not pressing your buttons 20% on 5th annhilate are u just not pressing dps buttons?

[mellow bridge]

or youre not kicking/reflecting the heal?

[mossy ferry]

Surviving to 5 stacks is impressive as hell. 20% left suggests something is seriously wrong, though, but it may be a quick fix.

[tardy sequoia]

consumables just drums of deathly ferocity

talents are dev, double time, BV, Ind, ravager and AM

trinkets are aegis and matrix

i think i'm doing something wrong on gameplay side

106 tries lol

at least i'm on P2 lmao

[jagged pier]

honestly sounds like your not pressing buttons at all

[mossy ferry]

Yeah, you might be playing super defensively. Probably the best way to get actionable advice is to post a log for review.

You might get some "what the hell" reactions, but better than 100 more attempts with a strategy flaw.

[jagged girder]

Don't be sad I'm flying so many times that my war started to grow feathers

[mossy ferry]

Same. Took me well over 100 attempts back in Legion and at least 50 this time.

[mellow bridge]

im so tilted rn lmao

i got kruul to 1% on my guardian in like my third try

and then I died cuz I fail kicked

and now I'm just dying in p1 or right at the start p2 for the last 10 tries

ahh

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

dont worry i got .4% wipe then it took me 10 hours to kill it after that on friday

did it press nerf tho

so POG

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

exactly why i gave up tue/weds after 6 tries

food+augments+drums+repairs for EVERY screw up and then flask armor kits per hour

[jagged pier]

ppl used armour kits in mage tower?

what does it give like 1 stam?

[sick sentinel]

well, they were 80 gold before this event, now they are 300 ish gold

280 last i saw

[jagged pier]

how fucking cheap is your server

[sick sentinel]

i mean, clearly some kind of correlation, considering i buy the damn things all the time, lowest i ever seen them is like i dunno 40-55 gold each, flask is up a bit, but an expected amount considering demand

[jagged pier]

they like 550 normally on my realm

[sick sentinel]

oh, just regular desolate armor kits my bad

not premium, i could, but based on what you guys keep telling me i'd have a better time putting gold in the garbage removal in kitchen sink cuz i just don't play well enough to get good value from it

[mellow bridge]

ok

im untilted

i just did it

[sick sentinel]

it's truth, i know it everyone knows it

[sweet summit]

good shit

show bear

[mellow bridge]

ok

serious question

where do I change my bearform LOL

[sweet summit]

barber

[mellow bridge]

tyty

[sick sentinel]

at the blizzard shop

for 85 bucks, (my currency, after the taxes)

[mellow bridge]

found it

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

[mellow bridge]

I actually cheesed a little bit with the emerald nightmare trinket

but I didnt have any other trinket to use anyways from SL LOL

[sweet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/581459958831251475.png?size=96

[jagged girder]

Do you save drums and cds for execute time?

[sweet summit]

i used shit at the start of p2

[mellow bridge]

I just blasted everything when I had avatar up

which was right at the start of P2

delayed P1 a little bit to have it up

[sick sentinel]

ahh a bit better but still more expensive, 950g

[jagged girder]

my problem is rage management in p2, sometimes have no rage for SB or for revenge spam

[sick sentinel]

i want to say that those are more like 200-500 gold when not being needed

[mellow bridge]

you dont need to have SB permanently @jagged girder

really mostly having it for annihilates is enough

[jagged girder]

yep, that's when I have no rage xD

Sometimes I mean

I just go unga bunga smashing buttons

[sick sentinel]

PON PON PATA PON

[jagged girder]

I love you

[chilly brook]

P2 is the easy part tho

First time I saw p2 this time around was an 8% wipe and it was only a wipe because I was 40% hp for the third annihilate and didn't see the orbs I had up for some reason. Only got overfilled by like 2k and if I had anything over 70% I would have lived

[daring bay]

Are there any good trinkets or echants that havent been nerfed?

[autumn pendant]

From TW?

Or for MAge tower you mean

[daring bay]

For the tower

[autumn pendant]

Idk what people were using but I found Grontooth heirloom quite okay

[inland raft]

Dont nees any cheese but stuff like crusader still good post nerf

[chilly brook]

^

[sick sentinel]

i don't know yet how you'd do it like you do on twitch with OBS, but i am looking at a way to display live keyboard inputs on screen with future youtube videos

[mellow bridge]

details can show your inputs

[sick sentinel]

enlarged for emphasis, this is general idea though, be alot easier to break things down seeing exact key presses as they happen in post only

im seeing you can record with OBS, but i have no clue where it default saves footage

i know all of the disasters that can come with recording video files from a game, make some 500gb file by accident

[uneven river]

I didn't touch mage tower before timewalking and things u found help coming into p2. Is try to phase it after a wave of horrors and get the infernals low. Then just focus on stacking rage for the annihilates with drums and pot at start you should have no issue with rage. Just remember to keep pressing shit

And ravager and demo shout etc

[jagged girder]

I'm doing 4 min trys with kruul at 10%, it's about focusing and not shitting my pants and use brain + stop unga bunging

[uneven river]

Yeh for sure if you at 10% your there just need a clean pull

[jagged girder]

There's a difference between reflecting and interrupting the heal?

[mossy ferry]

Yes

[lofty widget]

if you reflect he heals you when he hits you

[jagged girder]

Understood

ty

[lament zealot]

Does anyone have a good WA for Magetower?

[half jewel]

Its pinned

[uneven river]

dont reflect when horrors are in range they can eat it

and then your fucked if you miss the kick

[jagged girder]

I did it guys, I killed while flying off the platform xD

[jagged pier]

[jagged girder]

Oh god I did it without drums, didn't noticed I ran out

[uneven river]

gz

[jagged girder]

Without all your tips I would keep trying, ty all who took time to help us out

[modern brook]

You're welcome

[jagged pier]

Buff thinking he gave advice 🤔

[sweet summit]

buff

[strong forum]

bufflango

[buoyant heath]

is the mage tower just for a transmog set?

[sturdy sable]

Ye

And a mount if you do one of each specialization iirc

[strong forum]

if you do all 7 different challenges, you get a special mount

otherwise its just the shitty tmog

[sweet summit]

[steel mist]

do you guys go full on defensive trinkets for mage tower or aggressive offensive trinkets?

[lofty widget]

double offensive

[steel mist]

cool

[uneven river]

i did one of each

[sick sentinel]

zero prot warriors in this the great push

[jagged pier]

If u feel like that about the class why are u playing it?

[modern brook]

what have i done

[blazing condor]

stack overflow

[sick sentinel]

tbh because its the main character i have gear for and if we are being real all the games from 2020 and 2021 have been kinda shit lately

[chilly brook]

Just level and gear another toon

[sick sentinel]

there's been a few okay ones

[chilly brook]

It doesn't take that long

[sick sentinel]

yeah few seconds with boost

[teal swift]

Took me 7 days to get a dk from ilvl 200 to 246

[blazing condor]

The Ring type gearing

[teal swift]

It was like sat sun Mon Tues ksm

And tons of valor farming

Then was like a day of research farming for condies

[mellow bridge]

you probably have a looooooot more time at your hands than most other people

that must have been some very serious grinding

[strong forum]

My dh hit level 60 week1 of SL launch

And it's still only 210 ilvl

[mellow bridge]

speaking about dh

havoc challenge feels hard af

[sick sentinel]

this is exactly my arcane mage

leveled it, never play it past lfr

[uneven river]

easier on arms than havoc tbh

[mellow bridge]

I've heard that

I tried it for a little bit only and got a lot further with havoc

idk

I'm probably just bad at arms lmao

[uneven river]

just abuse victory rush on arms

and its easy to get to p2

just have to pump in p2 then

[lofty widget]

if you wanna spend the gold, crusader enchant is crazy good as well

[mellow bridge]

i thought that got nerfed

[sweet summit]

still heals for a metric fuckton

[lofty widget]

it's still a more or less permanent +15% str and, in my case, 55 % of my overall healing

[dusk hinge]

I want to play arms pvp next season and gear up with mastery versa but I wanna play prot in keys, will I be tanky enoguh with pvp gear and versa mastery until 15s ? for ksm

[mellow bridge]

yes

your stats dont matter for that keylevel

[cinder nova]

Does the Melandrus ring sim correctly?

[strong forum]

You can do 15s next season, in current season gear

And less gear even

Don't worry

[sweet summit]

yea

it's not great

[strong forum]

Melandrus ring is like 8dps

[blazing condor]

Pog

[cinder nova]

Oofium

The trinket he drops does a fuckload in keys

Like an actual shedload of damage.

[sick sentinel]

what do you guys do about these guys, there is 2 packs early on in the dungeon, one with a double pull of them, and i find the every time they just float up in the air at stairs until interupted and never move

[mellow bridge]

I've found they only do that if you charge them

Or engage them in melee generally

If you pull from range with a taunt or heroic throw they don't do it

Very dumb from blizz that this bug is still around tho

[sick sentinel]

here is great example of spear or any other circle target going on roof of cave spike into neverland

[jagged girder]

Oh baby how many wild spirits I've seen on CN roof

[nocturne sage]

what weapon enchant are yall using for raid?

[cinder nova]

I use Sinful Rev because I'm sweaty and like parsing, otherwise you should be using Celestial. Even then, you can always swap between Celestial and Sinful as content permits. They're cheap enchants.

[nocturne sage]

Thank you!

[sick sentinel]

i personally prefer lightless for almost everything i do, its very simple, shoots a purple thing that does some damage in a line front of me

[mighty valley]

you don't raid though

[sick sentinel]

ascended vigor is just omegalul enchant, don't think i ever used it ever i used the dmg % one when i didn't use the lightless

[cinder nova]

Lightless is a useless enchant fyi

It's really not worth it for us

You're gonna get more value out of Celestial in M+ where the primary can improve you in every direction

and Sinful for raid DPS

Lightless feels like a hard int

[modern brook]

its also the only one u have to think about

cause u need to pay attention to facing

[urban portal]

I actively swap weapons

On my dh

I swap to a 252 tarrague weapon with lightless for 6+

And 239 vein otherwise

[sick sentinel]

i changed it over to celestial for run i just did

doubt it made a difference though

Reason I was reading lightness for m+ primary content I do is because it does actual damage unlike other ones and can hit more than one thing wasn't just a buff debuff

On paper 5% main Stat proc or heals do 12% more to you work on paper but not in practice because one of the numbers doesn't make sense, they feel like do nothing spells whenever it goes off, who cares if it's boring but why not some basic fire weapon enchant that is essentially fiery weapon but not

[modern brook]

what

[sick sentinel]

Crafting sucks in shadowlands basically, like total L territory, abysmal compared to expectation

[urban portal]

5% main stat makes you bulkier and do more damage

While lightless is the most useless form of damage which is just weak unconcentrated aoe

[tawdry dirge]

bloodscale or aeigis for magetower ?

[cinder nova]

Bruh I just got kicked from a COS because my DPS can't break 10K in cleave and so we're dying to imps in +16

And they died to standing in the only two mechanics 1st boss has.

zzzz

[rotund thicket]

you want dps, not suvivability, so if you only have those two, take the scale

[tawdry dirge]

fair is there better options then scale then

i thought survial might be needed on p2

using the loom and scale atm

[rotund thicket]

matrix seems to oneshot the eyes if the shield is up, it does okayish dmg in p2 too

i used sack as 2nd trinket, but i guess every dps trinket is just fine

survival isnt even needed in p2, just make a plan for your CDs

[tawdry dirge]

running this one

atleast it was bis back in the days 😄

[rotund thicket]

for example:

1. Hit: SB
2. Hit: SB + IP Shield up (worked for me)
3. Hit: SB + LS + Demo
4. Hit: SB + Wall + IP (be close to an orb since you will be very low after the hit)

[tawdry dirge]

drums on p2 there or p1?

[rotund thicket]

p2 start

[tawdry dirge]

fair point

did u run normal raid talents?

or anything special?

[rotund thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFBFqJnHYS8
i ran normal raid talents i think

[cinder nova]

Neither, all DPS trinkets.

[tawdry dirge]

hehe ppl still have the game in german love it 😄

[rotund thicket]

ye i swapped back to german since my girlfriend start playing too and her english is kinda bad 😄

[cinder nova]

tbh if you need surv trinkets for mage tower you're doing something real wrong

[tawdry dirge]

what is a good dps trinket then that scales well

[rotund thicket]

i mean sense ran cheat death trinket

if you know what to do, it doesnt really matter

[cinder nova]

Streamers doing something doesn't mean you should be doing it too

Also - just because he's doing it doesn't mean it's needed.

[rotund thicket]

thats what im saying

[cinder nova]

You really, really don't need survival trinkets at all for tower. You have so much control over your damage intake that if you're getting to the point you need a CD from a trinket, you're fucking up somewhere.

[rotund thicket]

learn the mechanics, keep it cool, dont get knocked off, use the orbs to delay annihilation and you're gucci

[cinder nova]

Depends on what you're after. ST or AOE

[tawdry dirge]

probly ST

[cinder nova]

Phial/Sack

Pretty much BIS

[rotund thicket]

phial sucks in mt

[cinder nova]

Yeah, that's why I asked.

[tawdry dirge]

the horns are not a issue

[cinder nova]

Also sack does fine in M+

[tawdry dirge]

sack is what trinket?

[rotund thicket]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=185844/ticking-sack-of-terror

[cinder nova]

Hits so hard at 233

[tawdry dirge]

ahhh dont have that

[cinder nova]

278 is gonna be ape

[rotund thicket]

they'll propably nerf it, or make the scaling worse

so its nice for lower ilvl but not that good at highest ilvl

[tawdry dirge]

thats pretty good in raids how is scaling in tower?

[rotund thicket]

its like 200 dmg every 15 sec

not that great tbh

[hearty terrace]

Hey guys 🙂 we’re abouts can I find info about 9.2 PTR stuff to do with Prot? 🙂

[cinder nova]

If you're trying to cheese tower use the gron horn heirloom

[tawdry dirge]

fair i just try matrix then

lets see how this goes

[cinder nova]

honestly you can do it in SL greens. Don't stress over gear, worry about mechanics.

But if you're trying to be min-max, anything that procs primary stat or gives primary is good.

[tawdry dirge]

aye i know i knowww its just to make it bit easier

[cinder nova]

If you have Perfectly Forged Credentials

[rotund thicket]

i tried it with my druid (198 ilvl) got to 5% and bullrush of the cliff 🙂

[cinder nova]

gitgud

Just don't get thrown off 4head

And don't let your HP get to 0

ezwin

[jagged pier]

THIS

[tawdry dirge]

velen is as noob he dies xD

[strong forum]

He spawns those orbs but dies to 1 nether horror

Real nice

Just take the orb Velen? How hard is it

[tawdry dirge]

hhaha yeah right about that

[blazing condor]

Dramatic ass hoe

He’d rather die to test if you can actually protect him or nah

[chilly brook]

@teal swift Just tanked a 15 on my DK at 210 lmao

[brittle owl]

idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am

[jagged pier]

idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am

the goat copy pasta

[sweet summit]

idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am

[worthy karma]

Sub lvl 50 heirlooms made life so much easier for me

As fury with crusader enchants 😂

[quaint glade]

Hello, would appreciate if someone can guide me on this, decided to main a prot for m+ and for the raids in the future, however, need to know if I should go ilvl above stats or shall I just continue like this.

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/lunaera

[sweet summit]

1st-4th domination piece with shard>ilvl>haste>vers>crit=mast
rings/neck are more flexible, can mostly just run whatever haste ring/neck you have as long as ilvl diff isn't that big
trinkets are a breed of their own, what you use depends on what you have (the best ones are aegis and matrix (maybe scale) defensively, phial and sack offensively, and ows/afe as good stat sticks)
for legion trinkets check the pins

in raid you can basically just sim your character with raidbots (for damage) and be fine with that, the raid doesn't hit very hard except for like mythic sylvanas

[quaint glade]

At the moment, I dont want to raid to be honest, I was just chilling with m+, however, if it will be good for the future, I dont mind doing the raid and farm some items.

Thank you very much though.

[sweet summit]

[restive grove]

does the infernals keep spawning whilst varis is alive ? or are they capped at some point

[forest atlas]

Pretty sure they keep spawning. I had 3 at one point

[jagged pier]

once variss is dead no more spawn but the ones u have will keep coming back

[restive grove]

I only manage to get him to 40% 3 minutes in, any tips how i could get more dmg?

[ionic fern]

Go back in as soon as your debuffs drop

That's about it.

A lot of people seem to be "lingering around" even after their stacks have dropped.

As soon as you reach 20% HP gogo execute spam and watch him fall over.

[restive grove]

any huge trinkets i could use? i've got OWS and RDM atm

[ionic fern]

Cyclo is big.

For ST nuke

[jagged pier]

pod is huge

from EN first boss

[restive grove]

where do i get cyclo?

[jagged pier]

mechagon

[restive grove]

alright, managed to kill Variss once now

[ionic fern]

Think about your CD usage for Annihilates as well.

[sweet kayak]

We just did COS 16 without a healer, our boomy went feral for last boss 😛

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

Do you guys run crackling or bounding more in keys

I feel like both have advantages, I just feel like bounding is better most scenarios,

[inland raft]

Doesnt really matter

[cinder nova]

Meanwhile I'm getting kicked from one because DPS can't be fucked to look at the ground on 1st boss

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I know it's not a huge difference in choice, just I've been stuck on bounding for a while trying to see if others out there use crackle instead

[strong forum]

Alot more people prefer crackling

[mellow bridge]

this feels like a dejavu

i'm 100% sure you asked that same thing a couple weeks ago lmao

[strong forum]

I run bounding cuz I feel my legs breaking when I don't get the movementspeed buff after leap

[modern brook]

Your fault for not having leap of faith tbh

[brittle owl]

crackling is tasty af though

[sweet kayak]

🤣

[modern brook]

Crackling is a relic of the past smh

[mellow bridge]

remember when I complained about havoc challenge being hard for me yday

Oneshot it today

[modern brook]

Xylem is toxic

First phase is a joke and also like 4 minutes long

Last phase is hard

:(

[mellow bridge]

I felt like some of the intermissions in p1 were just pure rng

where he would go

either I could reach it with double rush or I'd die lol

and once I kicked him right before it, he melee hit and DAZED me

and then I died LOL

[modern brook]

lmao

the intermissions are all about paitence imo

you have 40s

[mellow bridge]

that's when I stopped yday

well

[modern brook]

they're also where u go to top off

[mellow bridge]

did you do it on arms or dh?

[modern brook]

sub

[mellow bridge]

oh

idk how it is as sub

but the intermission for DH is brutal

[modern brook]

u have shadow step so its pretty easy

[mellow bridge]

it's balanced around reaching him with your mobility before you start taking damage

the dot kills you in like 4 ticks

[modern brook]

lmao really

[mellow bridge]

yeah

[modern brook]

yeesh

[mellow bridge]

either double rush + retreat is enough to reach him instantly

or you die pretty much

[modern brook]

for sub you just kill he closest one find the shimmer, step to that quadrent and waddle into him

or you can just cloak sprint

[mellow bridge]

it was probably my fault for not dragging him properly around but some spawns just felt impossible

[modern brook]

I honestly really like p1 on sub

lots of small stuff you can do that make you feel like a genius

[mellow bridge]

lmao

[modern brook]

idk how that translates to the other xylem fights cause frankly fuck xylem

[mellow bridge]

p1 was pretty doable once I realized how to drag him around in arcane phase

and I skilled my ST stun

[modern brook]

yeah that tracks

[mellow bridge]

still probably took me like ~35-40 tries overall

more than any of the tank ones but I guess that's to be expected as I'm pepega on anything non tank

[modern brook]

yeah i downed sub after 74 :/

though like the first 20 were just raw runs to remember the fight

and i dint use any old world cheese

semi-related

slumming low level keys in your MT armor is pog

Slumming low level keys in your MT armor and out damaging everyone is pog-er though

[mellow bridge]

I did cheese it a tiny bit

used heart and legendary cloak

[modern brook]

they fixed that i thouht?

[mellow bridge]

you still get more stats than with normal items

since they have 3 secondaries

[modern brook]

oh true

[mellow bridge]

not a massive diff but a bit of a boost

[modern brook]

Yeah idk old world cheese begins with like using consumables and enchants with the express purpose of abusing weird scaling

imo

[mellow bridge]

I died once in p2 in a perfect try because I was 1 global off killing an add before he reached him for the heal

[modern brook]

an extra 2ndary on your neck slot seems pretty tame

[mellow bridge]

after that I decided to look what is still on my bank lmao

but I basically throw out anything I can

in the end that stuff probably gave me like 1% dps?

didnt matter in the grand scheme of things tbh

now I have to think about my class choice for the other challenges

[modern brook]

for sub xylem damage check was really tight for me

im also absolute dog shit at this game though