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sick sentinel
daring moon
How do you guys keep 70%+ uptime on Shield Block?
Just got told by my RL that my uptime is too low, but I have a hard time keeping it up above 35%
mellow bridge
What legendary and talents are you running
And are you looking at uptime or blocked hits
You want to be looking at the latter
sick sentinel
you need to run reprisal and use intercept smartly almost on CD to get rage and SB
you said RL as in raid leader yeah?
daring moon
I'm using the Wall as my raid leggo, and Bolster as my lvl 50 talent
sick sentinel
i don't do raids but others here do, give them a few minutes and they will respond someone with actual knowledge of raid unlike me
daring moon
Raid Leader, yeah
sick sentinel
reprisal is the safe bet now though for all content, i can tell you that for 100%
daring moon
Ah ok, cool!
sick sentinel
if you have logs or video or something post it and someone will get back to you, or just ask question
daring moon
How do I post a good log, so that people don't have to click through 200 menus lol
patent osprey
You have no proof that's me
indigo forge
I know wowanalyzer isn't really supported any more, but it gives quite different values of blocked stats for a run, e.g. here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KAy3FRgXz2YkVWpQ/#fight=last the log says 73% of melee blocked, but wowa says 84.92% of physical hits. Am I reading the log wrong, or is wowa wrong? (I know the run isn't great)
slow birch
Do we think that Heart of Darkness or Orb of Torment will be good from Legion timewalking?
mighty valley
I know wowanalyzer isn't really supported any more, but it gives quite different...
If WoWA is right (and I don't know that it is), it suggests to me that your block percentage is very high on all of the physical abilities that aren't just regular melee attacks
Still, doesn't really matter, just always be trying to block more hits
livid venture
I know wowanalyzer isn't really supported any more, but it gives quite different...
you're looking at % of melee damage taken blocked rather than % of hits blocked -- mouseover the hits column instead
indigo forge
Ahh, that makes sense, thank you!
low spear
fuckin hell that took me more attempts than id like to admit
our artifact wep was actually built for annihilates, without it its kinda aids. somehow survived 5 lol
sick sentinel
I put a link to a Playlist with like 15 dungeon runs from shadow lands in my note
Could do a lot more need to delete some recordings to free up space
foggy fractal
How’s the mage tower challenge, fellow warrior brains
sick sentinel
Shadow priest in my guild was crying about it and some dude here was complaining about it as well
foggy fractal
Mt guild?
mellow bridge
Sense has already cleared it
sick sentinel
Never played legion at all, so no idea what I'm in for, if I try, I'm already dead lol
mellow bridge
Follow our lord
sick sentinel
Our lord and savior?
mellow bridge
Yes
sick sentinel
Well, I'm a warrior not a paladin so I put my faith in myself and not the light first
cinder nova
Do you think it'd be worth it to meme tower with ilvl 50 hellscream heirlooms and the badge of swift justice for the HP?
Each of the weapons has two sockets.
I got the sword and the board so
chilly brook
What's the talent setup people are running for mage tower
low spear
i beat it with 3122211
didnt change any of my gear from the shit i usually raid in
used spattered scale and phial
chilly brook
damage output feels so low
low spear
ended with 870 dps by the end
shut summit
yea can minmax with sockets if you want but not really needed
cinder nova
Also a weird choice to scale it back as opposed to scaling it up.
low spear
i killed him right when the 5th annihilate hit me, photo finish
quiet crane
Yeah turns out latency got me earlier and CDs weren’t actually being popped on the annihilate
If you do your rotation well I was able to kill it after the third
real fossil
is the healing from viscera of coalesced hatred meaningful at all?
quiet crane
No it’s crap
sick sentinel
It doesn't do as much dps as you think that trinket
sick sentinel
Says very high chance ad then I never see it go off
I got the scale now bit of dmg and bubble
Gotta fid autmatic trinket that is good not dmg then can do 2 autos or 2 use or mix
dusky canopy
anyone successful with the Krul MT challenge?
deep steppe
Sense killed it
dusky canopy
I mean makes sense
quiet crane
Yeah I have now to
dusky canopy
best ive done so far is inquisitor to 16% idk how you guys are healing through the mind rends
feels absurd to me
but im sure i just have to play better lol
deep steppe
I get to about 20% pretty consistently and then it just falls apart
mighty valley
took me a few attempts to realize i was getting a stacking stamina debuff, lmao
mostly things are fine and then i get punted off
dusky canopy
ive been getting the hang of Victory rushing after every kill to catch up my health whats been getting me is when theirs 2 infernals and the 4 shadowfiends spawn
i either die to damage taken or i get caught by the infernal yeet lol...
deep steppe
yeah I feel like theres just so much going on near the end that my brain just decides to drop something
and thats what'll end up killing me
compact laurel
are any of the legion trinkets really strong for tanking?
tame jasper
Maybe I didnt see it: Is there any legion m+ gear (scaleable to 246) we need from m+?
mighty valley
It's the top pin right now
tame jasper
Ah nice, thx
lusty ember
i can make it to kruul with like four infernals up and then i just go squish
struggle town
frosty holly
Can you still spell refl Twisted Reflection on Kruul?
shut summit
yes
frosty holly
Cheers
cinder nova
I'm just smoothbraining it and holding potion and drums for Kruul
mighty valley
I tried the prot one a couple times then just did the fury one instead
Might come back to it but my brain gets tired and I get knocked off
ionic fern
That's why i liked the VDH one..i could ignore knock backs.
Just fly back on platform.
rotund thicket
did they nerf dekanter? it does like no dmg now xD
sweet summit
SD decanter in TW?
rotund thicket
but now it hits for 46 dmg
ionic fern
Ofc they nerfed it. 👀
cinder nova
Isn't TW M+ overtuned?
jagged pier
Yer they nerfed decanter a long time ago
cinder nova
I wish HT was a little longer range
jagged pier
@ionic fern when we doing legion KSM?
jagged pier
I have friday off 
chilly brook
best ive done so far is inquisitor to 16% idk how you guys are healing through t...
The mind rends are negligible
The purple adds are really what hurts
strong forum
And overstacking the aura
jagged pier
If u dying to mindrend u are for sure over stacking the aura and using cc or light to stall
cinder nova
I mean you can only sit on so many of the bombs. They wont stack past 3.
rotund thicket
well im dying to not enough dmg in p2, kruul had 19% before he oneshotet me through alars x)
ionic fern
The purple adds are really what hurts
Are the Purple adds not dying in like 2 seconds anymore?
rotund thicket
Are the Purple adds not dying in like 2 seconds anymore?
you need at least 2 TC + Spellreflect if you have crit luck
rotund thicket
not really
ionic fern
If it's like it was on PTR then you can pretty much ignore them as they get cleaved down in a few seconds.
rotund thicket
on ptr i oneshotet the challange too but now they have so much more hp or we deal way less dmg
rotund thicket
i 11% from kruul with drums + potion
ionic fern
Looking at Sense's kill yesterday they still die super fast.
jagged pier
I remeber thos adds dying in like 2 hits on PTR
ionic fern
Just like me when i tank.
torpid saffron
Good morning, guys!
Between 252 item and 239 with dom socket what should i choose ?
strong forum
Dom socket unless it's your 5th
jagged pier
Yes for the first 4
torpid saffron
Do you have any idea if this applies to dps classes aswell ?
jagged pier
The 5th gem is kind of meh
ionic fern
jagged pier
This is where the secret is tho if u run crit buold u can run zed in slot 5
sweet summit
||leech||
ionic fern
I swapped so much of my gear out yesterday for crit.
👀
So now i'm at 25% haste and 22% crit.
sweet summit
👀
torpid saffron
This is where the secret is tho if u run crit buold u can run zed in slot 5
I don't even know what to prioritize on my stats anymore 😄
But thanks for the tip!
As a tank you can't just sim
torpid saffron
I will try, thanks!
Out of all the discord communities, i think prot warr is the best.. having all the titans actually helping
Cheers, guys! ❤️
cinder nova
I'm honestly shocked I just killed it.
ionic fern
I'm honestly shocked I just killed it.
Gratz.
cinder nova
And of all the kills it was just facetanking and ramming every ounce of rage I could into revenge and Execute while rotating through my stalls on Annhilate.
jagged pier
cinder nova
Like the most Cro-Magnon strategy
ionic fern
Sounds about right.
lusty ember
still at it. will try hyperaggressive
cinder nova
That's what I did. I set a weakaura to roar at me when my D&D stacks fall so I can immediately start in on Inq again until I get to 5-8 stacks depending on what's going on (usually less the more damage going out).
Pretty much just brute-forced through P1 and then tried to clear the board of Infernals before Kruul so I could have as much calm uptime on him as possible. Lust, pot, just poured all my damage into him and saved my coolies for the Annhilates I couldn't clown. Remember to SR Twisted Reflections.
lusty ember
how many infernals can you go into p2 with do you reckon
i'm consistently going into it with 2 down, 1 up
slim pier
how's the mage tower
undone pilot
spicy
strong forum
how many infernals can you go into p2 with do you reckon
2-3, with the 4th it gets omega spicy
lusty ember
yeah cool, it feels like i'm just on track. now to not miss twisted reflections D:
cinder nova
It's ideal you get Kruul right after cleaning up psychic adds.
That way you don't run the risk of one of their melee attacks eating SR and cucking your pull.
lusty ember
that is literally what just happened LOL
cinder nova
Weapons-grade Oofium there, bud
undone pilot
wait are you able to sr the kruul's green slam thing?
undone pilot
oh
cinder nova
Which is just great
cinder nova
Git gud nerd
cinder nova
Kruul is the hard part, aye. Inquisitor feels like an exercise of patience.
Just beating your dick on him for 3 minutes before you get to the important part.
lusty ember
holy hell i just died at 4% on kruul with an orb up
lusty ember
it was not
strong forum
You only need to complete one of the challenges to get the set, right?
cinder nova
Yuh
ionic fern
You only need to complete one of the challenges to get the set, right?
Are you actually coming back?
jagged pier
fathom spindle
Don’t forget the heirloom trink boys, helps alot
undone pilot
that was so stressful but its over
jagged pier
honest plinth
What do you think about haste trinket from dark heart thicket?
blazing condor
Why are you as a warrior doing mage tower?
strong forum
Yeah should do the warrior tower!
agile comet
hay might be a odd question but anyone know how the prot mage tower thing compares to the difficulty of other challanges i heard some ppl tell me that our one was easy when it old them i did it and idk if they where being serious or not?
strong forum
Matrix + aegis
tardy sequoia
TY
strong forum
The absolute amount of copium im hearing about the challenges left and right
It's so funny
"I've done 10 tries and I still couldn't beat it? Overtuned...."
"wtf this is overtuned, how is a casual player supposed to beat this?"
short apex
im just inhaling the salt from these people
cant wait to bash my head against magetower after work tonight
hope i dont die from sodium overdose from reading these whiners complain
strong forum
It's actually insane
They get a bit of challenging content and they whine that it's too hard
But also then complain that there's no content in wow
:pepega:
short apex
ive waited for this far too long
started wow late 7.3 and only got to complete original havoc
mellow gorge
autumn pendant
There is one but not worth sweating over it
short apex
sadly dps downgrade for me at 246, id have lived farming for it tbh
jagged pier
"I've done 10 tries and I still couldn't beat it? Overtuned...."
Do u not remeber the ppl in legion that couldnt do even after 100s of trys
Even ppl with full mythic clears couldnt do it
Just dont be bad and challenge is done
So im never getting it done
blazing condor
i have 0% fail rate on mage tower
because i've never done it
jagged pier
pls i am 10/10 mythic what wrong
Press buttons there answer
sweet summit
GO AGANE
blazing condor
Thank u felix
sweet summit
gg go next
brittle owl
goddamn blizzard
jagged pier
sub ran out <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Unluck
blazing condor
just have it on recurring forever and forget to turn it off
strong forum
Blizz shill
hollow sun
Guys, do you need any archievenents to get into mage tower and to fight the boss? I literally only want the trasmog but my warr is very low on il
hollow sun
And I have never been there lol
strong forum
You don't need anything because you will be downscaled to ilvl 50 or smth
It'll just be base class without legendaries or covenants or anything fancy
It is challenging though, so you will need a few tries or a hundred
Not a pushover unless you're very experienced
hollow sun
Hundred?o.o
strong forum
Yes
foggy fractal
Anyone got any heads up on the prot mage tower?
I'm fine getting to p2, but it's the annihilates that trash me.
I can shield wall one, trinket the second but he hits me upwards of 15k (I have 11k hp) if I have ignore + shield block
hollow sun
I am pretty good with my warr and I like challenge so I welcome it
But archievenent wise?
strong forum
Anyone got any heads up on the prot mage tower?
I'm fine getting to p2, but it's...
You should be able to live 4 annihilates
hollow sun
Need something?
strong forum
No
foggy fractal
You should be able to live 4 annihilates
Through what method
He hits me for more than my HP pool thru ignore + block
strong forum
Planning your CDs
strong forum
SB for the first one, Demo + SB for 2nd, SW + SB for 3rd
Rally + demo + SB for 4th
LS as you need it
hollow sun
Can you use legendaries?
strong forum
No
brittle owl
nop
jagged pier
Anyone got any heads up on the prot mage tower?
I'm fine getting to p2, but it's...
Why are u using cds on the first 2?
foggy fractal
Should I not use CDs at all on the first 2?
strong forum
No
brittle owl
why would you cd the first 2 when the dangerous ones are from 3 stacks onward
strong forum
^
brittle owl
you can prob live thru the first one nekkid if you're at full hp
foggy fractal
ohh does he do more damage the more stacks he has?
lofty widget
you get a debuff
foggy fractal
Alright gotcha
brittle owl
110%
hollow sun
Competing Bosses on different specs gives you different rewards?
strong forum
No
You get the set for completing any of the challenges
You might get different achievements?
But no additional cosmetic rewards afaik
hollow sun
Oh well
Even if you are scaled down it would still be good having decent thinkets I guess
brittle owl
at least 0
tardy sequoia
well im at 12, still 1st phase
jagged pier
It toook me 6 on PTR will probs be around the live on live ill find out today
brittle owl
first phase is just not getting knocked and keeping velen alive
jagged pier
And around 100 back in the day
brittle owl
i did it in 10 in legion but i was 960 
blazing condor
strong forum
If you know what you're doing it's possible to do it sub10, but I don't expect alot of people besides sense to do that
brittle owl
was in mulgore leveling when mt was current content
jagged pier
If you know what you're doing it's possible to do it sub10, but I don't expect a...
Challenge accepted
strong forum
Good
brittle owl
there's alot of people doing it in just a few pulls
jagged pier
Gunna take me like 100 though lets be real
brittle owl
if you did it before then you only have to adjust to the tuning and base class
tardy sequoia
there's a lot going on on the screen
hollow sun
I gotta say that I fell for this trap, haven't touched wow in like 3 months...
jagged pier
strong forum
there's a lot going on on the screen
Yeah is not easy if youre doing it for the first time
hollow sun
Someone tried on guardian druid as well?
brittle owl
vdh more so granted
jagged pier
Its literally the same but your a druid
hollow sun
I mained Resto but the bear seems cool
tardy sequoia
Yeah is not easy if youre doing it for the first time
fun thing I did it in legion lol
strong forum
Week3 here
brittle owl
people were still crying about it even in 7.3.5 
strong forum
Lmoa
strong forum
It was piss easy in 7.3.5
strong forum
Yes
brittle owl
ye
strong forum
That's the point
brittle owl
^
jagged pier
Yes but ppl still couldnt do them because it was in them
brittle owl
not even
autumn pendant
Yes but ppl still couldnt do them because it was in them
Go to forums now
And enjoy the ride
brittle owl
just awareness
jagged pier
Even mythic geared ppl couldnt do them
brittle owl
apparently using cyclotronic is a gamer move
hollow sun
Who is still pushing keys here?
jagged pier
🤷
blazing condor
not hardcore
if i got time back id try some keys for rio but im not looking to hard push anymore
that puts me on suicide watch when done with pugs
tardy sequoia
prot pala easier?
strong forum
Don't think so no
The easiest is vdh
The rest is pretty challenging
With bdk being the hardest
tardy sequoia
but if i do the challenge on a different spec id still get the appearance right?
for example hpala
frail oar
Do we use a particular set of talents for the tower? I saw sense videos and it seems he wasn't using ravager
strong forum
I can't say I agree with ITF over Ravager but besides that, just run what he did
strong forum
but if i do the challenge on a different spec id still get the appearance right?
Yes you get the armor set from completing any kind of challenge for your class
jagged pier
Do we use a particular set of talents for the tower? I saw sense videos and it s...
No set talents i used rav on PTR and ill probs use rav when i get a chance to do it this evening
brittle owl
no talents magetower go
jagged pier
frail oar
And since we don't have any legs, booming voice over BSC I suppose
frail oar
ok thanks 🙂
strong forum
Broken shore
Also, just thought of it, vulpera is gonna be insane for tank challenge
jagged pier
Its alright
strong forum
ebon geyser
How's the tanking one for u guys
mellow bridge
just did it on my dh alt in 4 tries
had to learn the mechanics again
but DH is a cheater spec on that lmao
just completely ignores the knockbacks
gonna try warr later today or tomorrow now that I know the mechanics again
strong forum
Vdh is just omega
Fel dev + magic mit + glide
GG
The only way to Die is by fucking up the adds or getting too many stacks
mellow bridge
one try I lost because I fucked up the kick on kruul
I kicked and at the same time walked into an orb for the heal
so he got disoriented, I kicked nothing and then he recasted it again
strong forum
F
mellow bridge
one try I lost because I simply underestimated annihilate dmg
and the other try I just messed up
Had to do it with phial and matrix, goddamn matrix is useless
did 2% of my dmg
brittle owl
use cyclo
brittle owl
😉
mellow bridge
I only had aegis matrix and phial to choose from
strong forum
Then you just got unlucky matrix procs
mellow bridge
actually I dont have cyclo on any char, didnt play when it was relevant
lime urchin
So is the mage tower fun to do or is it just nostalgia for all the old farts here?
strong forum
It's fun tbh
Well I haven't touched it yet
But once I beat it in legion I was kinda sad that I couldn't do it again
Challenging content that not everybody can just faceroll with half assed play (atleast pwar)
mellow bridge
it's fun if you like a challenge
rotund thicket
i got a few 4% wipes and just killed him with a lucky orb spawn
strong forum
Yeah that would be the chance I was speaking of grats!
rotund thicket
idk how sense did it so easy, be barely dropped in p2, i got almost oneshot with wall up
blazing condor
it's sense
strong forum
He dropped to 1.8k hp on the 4th annihilate
That's pretty close
There were a few close calls in there
mellow bridge
it's sense
Just did a few tries on my warr, def harder than my vdh
but now I got class
rotund thicket
He dropped to 1.8k hp on the 4th annihilate
yep and he played with 1 defensive trinket, so he could just anhk there. i dropped almost the same with double offensive
i was hoping to skip the 4th annihilate, since it killed me the last pulls
dusky canopy
I beat ptr version no problem live version is kicking my ass lol
rotund thicket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFBFqJnHYS8 if someone care
jagged pier
Why u puting your ilvl in there your scaled to 50 🤔
autumn pendant
🤔
dusky canopy
What can we shield block in the challenge besides auto attacks?
dusky canopy
Is annihilate physical?
wooden radish
@ionic fern 
wooden radish
Is annihilate physical?
yes, its physical and blockable
rotund thicket
Why u puting your ilvl in there your scaled to 50 🤔
true, didn't thought about it xD
sick sentinel
i placed a link to my youtube playlist of wow dungeons that is commentable and public now in my discord profile
and i record mostly everything now, but im in bad need of about to have to do a mass deletion
up to nearly 4 tb limit on the HDD, sitting around 3.0tb raw footage right now
its been recording since about september regularly now, so i can have a full 3-4 month "season" or maybe every 6 months i delete excess or what wasn't uploaded for reasons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqyf4GW8ezw&list=PLh8JbyYtwSXDmiJiaJFyXj2S3elsi7KXI&index=1 starts at a BFA one, but its one of the survivng pieces of footage from that time
strong forum
How much did matrix do @rotund thicket
rotund thicket
9,9k
sick sentinel
how is that, the enchant is broke? ptr testing?
strong forum
Mh I then what did 1shot some of the eyes?
strong forum
how is that, the enchant is broke? ptr testing?
Not everything is always scaled down properly
sick sentinel
L-TW m+?
strong forum
Na you legit 1shot an eye without touching it
sick sentinel
ONLY reason i would go is trinket
sick sentinel
didn't play any legion, only played rogue, paladin and boomer shooters like duke nukem until BFA
so, all of this legion crap has to be a huge pass for me unless i try it and get lucky AF
strong forum
I guess
sick sentinel
i'll just end up with less gold, less consoooomables and less hair
fuck that, already struggle with 15s and 12 torghasts, why give my self any added stress
rotund thicket
Mh I then what did 1shot some of the eyes?
i just checked it, lightless force did 343 crit on the eye, but it had like 550 hp, so must be matrix then? since its the only thing that procced
strong forum
Ah could be
rotund thicket
its hard to say how high the average crit is, since the eyes get 100% more dmg while the orb is active
i know, its in german but i guess its self explaining with the icons
sick sentinel
at least nomer can read that he knows russian as well
thankfully i know what the icons are
brittle owl
RACHE 
strong forum
Yeah I totally know Russian 🧢
sick sentinel
u had it on a kings rest video stream >.>
strong forum
Yeah my friends were Russian, but I can't speak Russian, they just meme in Russian sometimes
sick sentinel
i know this for fact it was some not english looking language possibly chinese asian language
ohhh
and when i say "not english looking language what i mean is, the default fonts look like heiroglyphics or ancient caveman drawings and 1 letter can be a whole word or 3 words maybe 2", not like, how the letters are arrange
strong forum
:soup:
brittle owl
fish runes
strong forum
Knife runes
strong forum
Ah my mistake you're right
sick sentinel
bunny hopping rocket jumping is the fastest
MFW when my dk or paladin friend shows me thier ui,
rotund thicket
that looked like a life image of my writing Pog
sick sentinel
even though i am on discord with them for 3 years and we play together on voice
i STILL have NO idea how dk or paladin truely actually works
rotund thicket
pala is like rogue with healing, right?
sick sentinel
its like a warrior that goes to curch every sunday
rotund thicket
press buttons until you have enough combo points, and then just release it
rotund thicket
its like a warrior that goes to curch every sunday
blasphemy
brittle owl
paladin is combo tank now ye
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43d8fICz6gM please just humor me everyone who runs m+ and watch for me, so you can understand some of the things i am thinking about doing the content i do
no different to what we do now, record the footage or log files, upload them and see if we can do better than someone else or try to assist others with doing better
rotund thicket
i got a 16 cos but im scared to deplete it D:
sick sentinel
the longer you think about it the more you will overthink it and fuck it up
forgetting about or overlooking some crucial part worrying about something else
just go in and do it bring someone who can talk you through it
rotund thicket
i mean i was bdk main back in legion, just swapped to warrior in sl x) its not like i dont know the dungeon but im scared of the scaling after i saw how little dmg i did in the tank challenge
strong forum
Well legion m+ isn't scaled and you get all the borrowed power back
People have done up to 24s already in legion m+
I think you'll be fine
rotund thicket
wait i can use azerit / corruptions etc.?
rotund thicket
so just domination shards?
strong forum
Ye and your covenant and such
rotund thicket
and my kyrian stuff?
strong forum
And your legendary
rotund thicket
ah, okay
pallid hamlet
Do warriors have an active mitigation that is supposed to be up for 100% of incoming hits, like paladin SotR?
sick sentinel
shield block for physical attacks
strong forum
Shield Block, but you can't get 100% uptime
chilly brook
Are the Purple adds not dying in like 2 seconds anymore?
No they do, you just feel it when they melee
sick sentinel
IP for magic, but casting IP is pain because its only 50% absorb
modern brook
Do warriors have an active mitigation that is supposed to be up for 100% of inco...
No
Warrior does not have a sotr equivalent. We keep block up when taking blockable damage
That's about as close as you get
pallid hamlet
word, looking at a warrior taking several 40k melee smacks in a row on H guardian and trying to put it in perspective
modern brook
He's probably not blocking them :)
chilly brook
word, looking at a warrior taking several 40k melee smacks in a row on H guardia...
Sounds like bad
strong forum
Well... He's supposed to block them
sick sentinel
warrior has shield block, spell reflect and IP, and SW if you have anger management cuz it reduces the SW cooldown quite some
modern brook
You can share the log if you'd like and we can point out errors
pallid hamlet
so it is reasonable to expect him to block those? new to having a warrior in the raid and learning how to play with it. will grab a log rq
sick sentinel
i don't raid so i'm less useful in this conversation, but if its melee based physical attacks he NEEDS to have shield block up,
these guys yell at me same thing
modern brook
so it is reasonable to expect him to block those? new to having a warrior in the...
Yes
sick sentinel
very reasonable
brittle owl
in a regular bossfight with 50% tanking uptime he should be blocking every hit
chilly brook
Not sure why it wouldn't be expected to be blocked
brittle owl
when the boss goes smack prot woyer go 🛡️
modern brook
50% not enough, 70% required, 90% wanted, and 90% blocked hits rather
No block%, tanking uptime
Ie you're tanking only half the fight cause of your cotank in raid
sick sentinel
again, i don't raid so im not as valauble to the conversation so, but this is for mythic + thats true, you want 70% uptime on SB and 90%+ up to 100% blocked attacks
brittle owl
nah, you tank half the fight because devs are scared to make 1 tank bosses agane
brittle owl
north yarrow
grabbed these logs in anon mode. Guardian wipe 2
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:kGYJ7VpfWDbcQBHF#fight=15&type=deaths
I misremembered it was 30 & 35k unblocked melees that killed him with the other unavoidable raid rot and damage
just tryin to understand if it was him or the healers at fault before I approach. I feel like he's been dying more than I want, generally. But also too I'm trying to retire from tanking so trying to be fair and not presume I'd have done it much better
modern brook
this is Bobbo?
I'll dig in a second in a meeting now
I'm sure Nomeratur will answer everything faster than me anyways 😠
strong forum
Of those 14 melees he tanked, he only blocked half of it
That's an incredibly bad metric for a fight this short
north yarrow
yeah i'm bobbo
strong forum
He also got hit by standing in shit he's not supposed to
Playing reprisal but isn't using charge or intervene at all
Might aswell not equip a legendary
sick sentinel
I have to figure out how to get/make a weak aura that: just puts, 1, 2, 3, 4, etc on screen each time i'm in combat and a block occurs, and then this resets after each combat
then, if i see i only blocked 8 things pulling 8 guys, instant feedback
strong forum
He's pumping 100% of his rage into Ignore pain which is absolutely useless
Almost 8 casts of IP per minute holy fuck
jagged pier
strong forum
Yeah that's just poor play on all accounts
north yarrow
alright well sounds like he's got some misconceptions about warrior tank play, I think I'll probably need to send him here. Slotted him in coming from Hpal where he banged on DPS and HPS; I figured he'd know what was up and maybe he assumed too much too
sick sentinel
hpal is FOTM fwiw too
north yarrow
to his credit he was kyrian not venth, w/r/t dps
sick sentinel
dunno what w/r/t dps is
lime urchin
Well I have a solution for all your ignore pain problems!
modern brook
unbind the key.
lime urchin
#showtooltip ignore pain /cast revenge
north yarrow
haha
lime urchin
Y u laugh
sick sentinel
i am considering trying doing keys 1-6 qertfghv, f1-f4 s1-s4 and removing uh, y z x b for keybinds 1 sec
lime urchin
Deadserious!
north yarrow
bc IDK nothing about warrior so it's all memes to me
modern brook
to his credit he was kyrian not venth, w/r/t dps
venth war doesnt do damage
north yarrow
I believe you though
modern brook
on any spec to my knowledge
north yarrow
I meant his H pal dps
modern brook
alright well sounds like he's got some misconceptions about warrior tank play, I...
this is from your 4 minute kill
modern brook
lmao
stone knoll
on any spec to my knowledge
does fairly well for fury actually
modern brook
yeah i kinda agree
Hes opening with clap instead of slam
which is very weird
and neither of these really are like "oh this is why hes underperforming" but they're telling mistakes that show he's struggling with the fundementals of the spec this expac
strong forum
Doesnt use his leggo, doesn't press button except ignore pain, stands in bad
jagged pier
modern brook
sub 50 cpm
strong forum
Thus doesn't generate rage thus doesn't deal dmg or have enough defensives uptime
brittle owl
just bad lmao
strong forum
Needs to press everything alot more 👍
Except ignore pain
I've never seen such high usage of ignore pain
distant crystal
it sends a message tho
i wonder if shockwave is bound to a button he's used to pressing
like a sprint or smth
modern brook
wait he's playing 4endurance pellagos and doesnt have the LAst stand conduit
blazing condor
gonna go blind into MT for the first time ever. See how this goes
blazing condor
im just built differently so i wont 😎
modern brook
yeah have u tried being better
blazing condor
i died
sick sentinel
top is what im using, bottom is proposed, blacked out is literal never touch in combat ever
blazing condor
theres no objective best way to bind keys
play what works for you
i move with mouse and use 123qweasdzxc + shift + alt
works fine
uneven river
so hows mage tower for prot ?
last oracle
does SR on kruul's twisted reflection still heal him or no?
jagged pier
does SR on kruul's twisted reflection still heal him or no?
It heals u
burnt pawn
any tips on how to live kruul long enough to kill
jagged pier
sub 50 cpm
burnt pawn
tried the double cheat trink but the shitty fate one didnt work
brittle owl
you should
jagged pier
Plan your cds correctly
brittle owl
itemize for damage
and plan cds in p2 for 4 annihilates
optimized properly you shouldn't see the 5th
sick sentinel
Doesnt use his leggo, doesn't press button except ignore pain, stands in bad
i know this isn't about me but it is too accurate to not be me as well
burnt pawn
sick ill just bash my head against it until it dies then
brittle owl
use cyclotronic if you have it
burnt pawn
whats that
brittle owl
bfa trinket
sick sentinel
bfa trinket does a fuck load of burst
like, crazy huge amount was still used in 9.0
its super easy to get if you don't have it but did some of the BFA line, its in the early sections of when you visit mechagnome island
sick sentinel
@burnt pawn
brittle owl
whodda thought the solution to the tank mt was dps 🙂
sick sentinel
the green line of text, cylotronic blast
jagged pier
whodda thought the solution to the tank mt was dps 🙂
It always was a dps check
U had to do enough dps while living which is how your supposed to tank
If it was just survive for x amount of time it would be too easy
Like far to easy
sick sentinel
how do you even go to run the mage towe i have no clue
distant crystal
fly to deliverance point from new dalaran @sick sentinel
burnt pawn
<@!162574358584360960>
ya even with my current setup i think i can kill it on third annihilate
if i execute hard enough
do u drums p1 or p2
distant crystal
go to the busted tower with a million people in front of it
distant crystal
maybe? i think unlocking the broken shore is pretty quick
modern brook
Mark of the hidden satyr is severely underperforming
sick sentinel
i don't know where any of this shit is
and, this is the character most likely to have done any of those quests
jagged pier
apparently gland trinket from raid is bugged
But u then loose unscaled stats if u drop below 50% with base class thats a yikes
urban portal
That's what iv is for
distant crystal
But u then loose unscaled stats if u drop below 50% with base class thats a yike...
blessing and a curse lol
40% haste at 51% hp, 2% haste at 49%
and yep, can confirm, 132 mastery on my boomy in MT
blazing condor
you could definitely make a vid of all the copium outside mage tower
everyone is crying about how it's too hard and that its way overtuned
just git gud
sick sentinel
sanguine bursting strat undead side when blizzard?
or, better yet, they come up with some new affixes, replace some
distant crystal
oh actually, when you drop below 50% the ocular goes back to scaled stats
sick sentinel
sounds like a hot buggy mess
blazing condor
bro wtf is this SMS authenticator stuff for LFG lol
cant even make keys nowdays smh my head
jagged pier
Work over soon and i can finally try the challenge 🙏
blazing condor
ngl the tower do be maging rn
inland raft
War was pretty easy cuz i gave a nice tw set
modern brook
Best part of mage tower is the big virgin energy outside it with everyone complaining its hard
sick sentinel
are there malders who start screaming upon being ejected from the tower raging
inland raft
Pally ive been struggling hard on with just sl gear
sick sentinel
i'm going to look now for my self
brittle owl
pally should be able to just stomp it with dps tbh
inland raft
I was doing like 20-30% more on war with full socket/legacy enchant then doing on pally
Pally doesnt have dps trinkets either though its pretty new only made it a couple weeks ago
chilly brook
Work over soon and i can finally try the challenge 🙏
It honestly feels harder than Legion
brittle owl
keep in mind
chilly brook
Damage check seems a lot more prevalent
twilit jay
what talents has been working out for mage tower
chilly brook
you were a worse gamer 4 years ago
Probably not actually
brittle owl
oof
inland raft
I just ran my usual raid setup idk if theres a minmax bulld
jagged pier
It honestly feels harder than Legion
I did it on ptr, it wasnt compared to when i did it in legion
brittle owl
das the one
sick sentinel
are you sure, he killed me instantly
i mean, not really but thats how i interrepted it
twilit jay
i did the same yogi
inland raft
The health buff on live vs ptr is noticeable im kinda betting it gets nerfed in a few weeks after its not available anymore, but ya its perfectly doable
twilit jay
just gotta learn the mechanics
brittle owl
go agane
strong forum
It's not a simple fight
sick sentinel
i didnt turn on any buffs at all
brittle owl
die, learn, go agane, die, learn, go agane
jagged pier
U need to learn it first
twilit jay
time walkling gear make a sizeable difference?
jagged pier
Its not easy if u havent done it before
strong forum
time walkling gear make a sizeable difference?
Well it's 5 sockets vs 20 possible sockets
sick sentinel
but, im going to do alot of runs at this with not many buffs going until i am 200% sure what i am doing
strong forum
That's the difference
inland raft
Eh cheesing with tw gear just simulates doing it with legion borrowed power change my mind
mellow bridge
You can have a shit ton of extra sockets that give you a sizeable boost
strong forum
Eh cheesing with tw gear just simulates doing it with legion borrowed power chan...
Not cheesing it wit tw gear means you do it the way jakey and I did it in legion
chilly brook
I did it on ptr, it wasnt compared to when i did it in legion
It's more of a "why the fuck is he still alive" feeling
mellow bridge
Which in turn makes it pretty lame imo
sick sentinel
i saw he casted a bunch of shit, put purple shit on the ground adds come out and that was about as far as i got
wait
inland raft
Best bet is read a guide watch a video then just start doing it dead souls style
chilly brook
Damage output feels super low
chilly brook
Either that or health seems too high
blazing condor
i will say the first dude takes a long ass time to get down
inland raft
Watching lazels video from initial launch and comparing it to live it seems pretty much in line
sick sentinel
i didnt have any knowledge or expectations or buffs or try at al
so, it went about as expected
strong forum
From what I've heard this mage tower challenge is easier than back in the day
blazing condor
23 second WR kill Pog
twilit jay
i think i will move away from BSC for BV
chilly brook
Wait lmao
sick sentinel
i just went in and attacked the boss lol
chilly brook
They added 30k to the p1 boss
strong forum
First boss has 78k hp
chilly brook
strong forum
Yes
chilly brook
No wonder this shit feels like a slog
sick sentinel
i didn't try whatsoever and he was standing in the purple crap, make it possible to dps him
i think you gotta kill adds to stop purple cloud
inland raft
You get to x number stacks depending how comfortable you are and get out and clean up trash while stacks fal off
Repeat
sick sentinel
something about green lasers too
chilly brook
i think you gotta kill adds to stop purple cloud
You dps boss until 4-7 stacks
inland raft
While dealing with the other mechanics
chilly brook
If you see a laser you face it
Dont stand in stomp
Kill eyes while waiting for stacks
inland raft
Ive started pushing 8-9 stacks on pally since a lot more comfortable now
chilly brook
Pick up adds and kill the adds
inland raft
War i did 5 stacks
sick sentinel
i didn't watch any of this at all
chilly brook
Rinse and repeat until p1 boss dies
jagged pier
Ive been say 8 stacks all day
sick sentinel
this is the asmonsmash thing right? bashes head into desk
chilly brook
Then DPS race on Kruul
strong forum
Yes
sick sentinel
fml;
twilit jay
do you think ravager or Into the fray for mage tower?
strong forum
This when asmon got his head injury
inland raft
I wouldn’t recommend 8 til super comfy though get one shot by single tick of infernal or melee from little adds if mess up at that stack
strong forum
4-6 is the safe space
inland raft
I ran raid talents so itf on war
jagged pier
Dont stream till i get home
jagged pier
Might not do it now 
strong forum
I'll be home in like 40min
twilit jay
i feel like i fall behind on dmg a lot
sick sentinel
this will be entertaining i promise
inland raft
On pally ive literally been sticking to boss on pull til first adds and then just eating first orb cuz at 10 or so stacks when they come out then after that saving all the orbs i can and beint more careful but that initial burn is pretty free
sick sentinel
probably wrong reasons
inland raft
Been getting him to 65ish before first adds that way
sick sentinel
should i change conduits or trinkets?
inland raft
Conduits are disabled
acoustic ocean
hats off to people that have done this.. its pretty tough
sick sentinel
hmm, anything i should change?
inland raft
Trinkets play what comfy with decanter from sd is broken rifht now to do unscaled damage if want to cheese a bit
But i just ran phial and ows
Bss is supposed to be pretty good too i gurss can effectively delete a set of adds and also can use it to soak an anni
But didnt try it myself so idk
uneven river
i cant get through p1 in mythic gear with dps trinkets or tank trinkets im probably a shitter but seems nuts lol
sick sentinel
2nd attempt
jagged pier
Trinkets play what comfy with decanter from sd is broken rifht now to do unscale...
No they fixed it
inland raft
O did they?
jagged pier
Yes a long time ago
modern brook
Trinkets play what comfy with decanter from sd is broken rifht now to do unscale...
Hymnal over performed for me
modern brook
SD decanter was dog for me too
inland raft
Imagine if could get a 252 hymnal for parsing raid
modern brook
Ended up running phial hymnal
sick sentinel
so, i made it to a green rock dude
modern brook
Mark of the hidden satyr is super trash in my experience idk why it's listed as the best
sick sentinel
i have an idea whats going on but not really, have to stop the spell casted at one of the 2 guys
inland raft
I ended up just running hoa
ebon geyser
Fuk kruul
modern brook
Sub 2k total damage over 3 minutes Zzzz
inland raft
Pretty solid stats
sick sentinel
sorry, never said i was good, i don't have any idea how this fight works
modern brook
I'm running prydaz cause of triple stats and scocjet
jagged pier
sorry, never said i was good, i don't have any idea how this fight works
And we cant really tell you, u have to figure out how to deal with stuff yourself
inland raft
Ya i didnt play legion past en sadly
tropic gorge
I made about a dozen attempts yesterday. Side note, first repair bill I've had In a couple months lmao.
I made some progress
tropic gorge
In gonna keep trying until Saturday. If I don't make enough progress for my liking, I'll check out guides
Mt first Mt pull, I died in like 20 seconds lmao
First time that's happened to me in a while. I'm liking the difficulty
It's hard af
inland raft
I did war pretty quickly looking forward to getting home and trying more on pally im pretty happy with how been progging since never did this in legion
brittle owl
it's less difficult than you think
tropic gorge
The official wow forums are full of people saying Mt is over tuned and hard.
As a personal note druids crying about how hard it is cracks me up
jagged pier
Its only hard if u havent done it before
brittle owl
once you learn the mechanics theres an "oooooh" moment
modern brook
MT being hard is literally why its loved
people just sad they're being outted as sucking
jagged pier
The official wow forums are full of people saying Mt is over tuned and hard.
As ...
Yes ppl said that back i legion when they weree 2 tiers higher because they couldnt learn how to do it
Its literally learn it and it easy
But u have to learn it for yourself
brittle owl
roses are red 
magetower is hard 
crying about it makes you look like a retard 
jagged pier
And how to deal with it your self
sick sentinel
give it a few more goes
inland raft
I just have friends word to go on but they saying its def tuned higher then they remember but ya def is doable since i did it on war in less then 40 tries and never done it before but i admit to timewalking gear cheesing, pally i almost have it without cheesing though
modern brook
only disc i see people crying rivers is dreamgrove <a:keksquad:76669059863504489...
it turns out bear players arent good at bear, bear is just overtuned
jagged pier
Its not tuned higher
inland raft
People just shouldnt expect to do it first day
modern brook
who woulda thought 🙂
jagged pier
Nust most people did it in antorus so it was undertuned then
tropic gorge
What I find odd is that lots of people ask for more difficulty in the game. Blizzard seems to not make terribly difficult content for the most part.
Then they do a Mt type of difficult content and the water works is turned on
uneven river
how many people here managed to finish it so far ?
jagged pier
A lot
tropic gorge
it turns out bear players arent good at bear, bear is just overtuned
I personally think bears are extremely powerful to the point of a good bear tank can carry a lesser tank through a lot of content
But, I've felt druids are extremely op for almost 10 years now
modern brook
tanks more than any other role suffer from FOTM Rerolling imo
inland raft
Bears been super strong forever but seem to cry the most
tropic gorge
A fotom reroll for a tank, unless you have a guild you can do the role in, is probably a very bad idea
inland raft
Tbf its the hardest tank in the game to play, its rough trying to stay awake while playing it
modern brook
Tbf its the hardest tank in the game to play, its rough trying to stay awake whi...
"the sleeper has awakened" -- any bear doing progression content
humble tundra
Is the flail from MT, or was that something else?
tropic gorge
On the shards I got put in, u probably saw over a dozen bears last night
dusky canopy
I ran in on my greens geared guardian and the second the first set of 4 adds got to me they melee’d me once and I dropped dead I was like yeah ok maybe I should min max tw gear for next time lmao..
tropic gorge
Over the course of the few hours I tried mt attempts
About the tw gear. I guess if you're in quest stuff it's probably a decent Idea. But I don't personally think it would help much
A hunter in my guild is convinced he needs to farm socketed tw gear to do it
inland raft
Dont need to it makes it far easier though
Cuz can stack meta gems and main stat gems
last oracle
you don't even need to put that much work, the crafted dreadful set is more than enough
and still gives a fair amount of sockets
last oracle
if you know a crafter that played in mop, full set will cost you less than 5k
modern brook
Is the flail from MT, or was that something else?
Flail was Mt, you can't get it by doing this though
inland raft
Peoppe selling the speed on kill food for 6200g a piece on my server
uneven river
managed to get variss to 53 % then i just get overwhelmed
tropic gorge
I kinda wish my vial wouldn't get removed when I zone in. I understand why it does, and it's cool
uneven river
its fun tho
humble tundra
Flail was Mt, you can't get it by doing this though
Sad face. I was playing my monk back then.
dusky canopy
On prot I’ve made it to 12% p1 I keep getting caught by one of the infernal yeets when I’m focused on killing the 4 adds
tropic gorge
But holy shit. Over shadowlands I've gotten to the point of depending on it
twilit jay
is this easier on other specs?
uneven river
good shout
tropic gorge
I tried to heroic leap when I was getting beamed off yesterday. I either missed the timing or I can't do that
Big ol yeet into the abyss
last oracle
is this easier on other specs?
vdh is the easiest
modern brook
is this easier on other specs?
Fury probably the wasiest
last oracle
^ fury is prob easiest warrrior
inland raft
Ya fury i hear is insanely easy (in relation to other specs)
last oracle
just don't be bad at placing pools and its free
twilit jay
vr?
blazing condor
did my first key in 2 months of not playing
timed it and got +1 rio
modern brook
So the fight is basically just pump damage and dodge rocks
inland raft
Vic rush