#protection
blazing condor
sick sentinel
will take like an hour to render both and then like 4 more to upload to YT
tame jasper
lol like those guitar games for mouses xD
inland raft
Thing about osu is you dont click the mouse
You use keyboard for clicks and just move the mouse to keep your hand relaxed
inland raft
ionic fern
I played Hades recently where you start from the beginning if you die and one of my young cousins was watching and was surprised "Wait, you die and have to start from the beginning??? Where's the auto save???" π¦
This generation spoiled by auto saves
Smh.
inland raft
Fn zoomers
ionic fern
holy shit youre old
No you.
ionic fern
tepid trench
Hoy
Do you think the giant ornamental pearl could be a interesting trinket from legion timewalking?
modern brook
brittle owl
weebs out
blazing condor
nam
mellow bridge
that's crazy
modern brook
Hoy
Do you think the giant ornamental pearl could be a interesting trinket from ...
it looks like scale
and scale is barely interesting
mellow bridge
what the
sick sentinel
and IV icon is only up as a hold out from when i use it in meme content torghast farm or somethin
modern brook
we dont have much over eu but we sure do hae legion again first :^)
modern brook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_YwkdEakcs
you give back to the pig guy for literally the first 12 seconds of this pull
sick sentinel
but, if you have questions about why i do things way i do, just ask
tepid trench
Oh, I thought scale was good
ionic plank
it is, but better exists
modern brook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_YwkdEakcs
on first boss you're doing a lot of really weird intervenes to ranged - specifically during quakings that is making me clench. you're often using it to charge back in -this isnt how you want to be using reprisal. You have a DH. intervene him, hold the bosses, use the revenge. leap charge during a mortal strike/cast
sick sentinel
i removed the electric SR sound thought it would help, might? more annoying than not so its off
modern brook
also no ones kicking anything which is making this fight way more cringe than it needs to be
modern brook
i removed the electric SR sound thought it would help, might? more annoying than...
Thats good cause in that 4 minute first boss u used SR exactly 3 times so it wasn't helping and god knows it was going off
sick sentinel
probably be 3 hours + but i got 15 top this week and 16 halls uploading right after
modern brook
First LT you leap to the ground (honestly swag) then intervene a ranged then charge the LT
just charge the Lt
and intervene your dh after the revenge
forest meadow
Sometimes leap is just for a heroic entrance.
modern brook
minor nit pick you go to xan first and focus down the conscript not the arbalest. People do this all the time. the guy that can randomly one shot your dps should be a higher priority than the guy hitting your tank like a wet noodle
sick sentinel
if you notice i tend to over tab target in panic sometimes
modern brook
I mean if you had to pick one thing to fix 100% and never have again
modern brook
you give back to the pig guy for literally the first 12 seconds of this pull
iwould like for it to be this one
your DPS can take responsibility for the rate at which things die
as long as you stop trying to tank things with that juicy dumptruck
trashcan fight coulda been cleaner but honestly no issues
ok
@sick sentinel this is the exactly wrong way to gather the spirits
You clap the close ones, get aggro on them and they IMMEDIATELY punch your ass, and begin chains on you
THEN you get he far ones
sick sentinel
poor execution there yes, its better executed in coming video
modern brook
LEap clap the far ones, charge the close ones, get to your LOS
Precast Spell reflect
Im linking this because i think it really exmplified everything that you're struggling with
- you give back building density
- you're forced to commit 3 cooldowns to a 0-cd pull
sick sentinel
maybe its something better if someone takes all the worst clips and makes a short video with voice or like video edits text on screen at the part that matters
modern brook
If i fast forward to the soulstorm guy
I'm really excited to see your healers mana bar
causeits going tob e fuckin empty
cause you just have nothing on that fight now
you're going to be forced to do him and the LT seperately
which is just burning time you dont need to be burning
modern brook
maybe its something better if someone takes all the worst clips and makes a shor...
I can do that later if you really want me to but im at work now
sick sentinel
entirely at your leisure
beside kliea potion on the 15 top uploading only other major flub i can think of is i pulled the bridge golem ambush pack and i had him shoot the front attack like 90+% of the bridge. but it wasn't a wipe
sick sentinel
no, uploading now is 15 top and 16 halls
how about, i keep doing what i'm doing, ocassionally upload, until one of you sees some bullshit i did where you say no more this can't stand
modern brook
how about, i keep doing what i'm doing, ocassionally upload, until one of you se...
yogi we've been saying this for weeks lmao
sick sentinel
main fuck up i can think of on halls is we just abandoned the first LT
so, lost, 30 seconds to nothing
oh, and sanguinate a few dudes
blazing condor
yeah not to try and discourage but the mistakes your making have definitely been addressed many times :/
Best is if you can spot your own mistakes when reviewing your own vods
sick sentinel
and so, don't care and then i just do whatever i guess?
ionic fern
What they are saying is that you are still making the same mistakes that you made previously even after we have pointed them out multiple times.
sick sentinel
everything else i avoid standing in but i love to stand in sanguine apparently you guys will see shortly
blazing condor
question is - can you spot your own mistakes?
thats kinda where the real learning and improving will come from
that's kinda all we can do. We can give you the tools and pointers for what you should look for when analyzing your runs
but then its kinda up to you to actually learn how to look at the runs yourself
sick sentinel
hard to evaluate that kind of thing as its happening live because you will always be biased in that moment
and then if something went wrong can't have been your fault
modern brook
hard to evaluate that kind of thing as its happening live because you will alway...
thats what you sohuld be pulling from these conversations though
ocean reef
Its when you'd look back on it afterwards too
When you're not in the middle of a dung it's easier to analyse what went good and what went bad
twilit jay
is there a point where we just have too much haste?
modern brook
When you're not in the middle of a dung it's easier to analyse what went good an...
exactly this, you can set a mental bar of how soemthing should be going
modern brook
is there a point where we just have too much haste?
not really
40% is 2nd break point for stat DR*
Ilvl>haste will get you there
twilit jay
awesome thanks
ocean reef
As a dps player looking back on my vods, I've many times seen some moments in my rotation I should've done way better but didn't notice middle of the pull at all
In general a clearer mind let's you notice the good and bad easier
sick sentinel
see i had a problem where i played vanilla paladin (all specs) and then rogue, till panda which all have like 0.5 apm
and it was hit 1 and 2 repeatedly sometimes 3 and 4
come back in bfa and not used to actual indepth rotations being requirement
chilly brook
When you're not in the middle of a dung it's easier to analyse what went good an...
Unless it's one of those special days where your mental clarity and awareness are just next level
I wish that was every day
I'm legit cracked out of my mind in games when that happens
ocean reef
I OD on caffeine the same days it goes decently well for me
So maybe there's something to it
distant crystal
the trick is adderallll
chilly brook
Legit there are days in games like siege where I'm just processing things before they happen. Like I'm doing something and I'm just predicting what the other people are thinking in response to it and it's the easiest kills of my life
sick sentinel
giga brain
sick sentinel
yes those days are good mental clarity and have good group days
sick sentinel
vault time
modern brook
Maybe what I'm actually missing is a better gaming chair
I played on a stool for a while
Now I have a 9 cent racerx knock off
weary lodge
Arms main here.... building prot sets so I can tank, currently ~2200 RIO for M+ tanking. Need help on a vault decision.
modern brook
It's about the same
weary lodge
modern brook
Lmao
sweet summit
scale stinky
aegis owns
modern brook
No you dont
sweet summit
take shield
weary lodge
Already have scale and shield at 246.... but I'd be stupid not to take scale, right?
weary lodge
btw, I don't have Aegis (yet)... 5/10M and first 3 are on farm so it's a matter of time I hope... Is BSC really bad now? I thought this was like top-tier, especially for m+?
modern brook
- aegis exists 2) prot doesnt really need more defensive cooldowns 3) shield ilvl is like ~ 2% overall DR upgrade on its own
jagged pier
- BSC is still the best talent in m+
sweet summit
also
weary lodge
best served cold has never been more alive
meant blood spattered scale, not BSC lol
sweet summit
heroic/normal aegis would beat scale in most key situations
modern brook
i think BSC = Blood Splattered sCale here
sweet summit
okay that is very confusing
modern brook
ESL andy over here
weary lodge
i think BSC = Blood Splattered sCale here
yeah, i wasn't thinking lol
sweet summit
esl what
modern brook
English (as a) Second Language
sweet summit
i hate americans
modern brook
π¦
sweet summit
modern brook
but yeah @weary lodge Scale is good
Its not losing a 252 shield good
you would replace a 252 scale with better trinkets
namely aegis
you wont replace a 252 scrit haste shield
sweet summit
assuming you're not extending you could take scale and grab a shield from tarragrue if that makes you feel better
but scale would get replaced by aegis as soon as you get one
strong forum
is versa crit good for arms?
For m+ yes
weary lodge
assuming you're not extending you *could* take scale and grab a shield from tarr...
I was assuming that would be an easier thing to do than replace scale with another trinket, but both the shield and aegis have eluded me so far
So If I'm going shield here. Out of my available trinkets (mostly DPS trinkets) what would you guys recommend going with?
modern brook
bird in the hand bro
weary lodge
sweet summit
ows/decanter(raid one)/gland/phial are great + matrix
modern brook
pmatrix > phial=ows >ocular > winds imo
sweet summit
ur trinkets kinda cracked (except for the fact that no aegis)
modern brook
scale if you're struggling to live
weary lodge
252 organ and OPC
246 Phial and OWS
239 decanter, Occular gland, matrix
sick sentinel
scale does some damage too
modern brook
252 organ and OPC
246 Phial and OWS
239 decanter, Occular gland, matrix
phial matrix, phial ows, phial scale Matrix Phial, Matrix ows, Matrix scale
all probably fine
Im sorry
replace all phials with matrix
replace all matrix with phial
sick sentinel
i don't even know what the hand cuffs one is supposed to be
weary lodge
i don't even know what the hand cuffs one is supposed to be
PVP
sick sentinel
ah
cinder nova
Do you guys know where I can get conduits on the PTR
sweet summit
korthia 
weary lodge
Do you guys ever see people run Scale + aegis? double on-use seems annoying, but powerful
modern brook
u can
cinder nova
I mean, you can, it's just not ideal.
modern brook
You dont want to avoid stack defensive cds so the global 20s cd doesnt really matter
sick sentinel
can't stand the maw
modern brook
1) aegis exists 2) prot doesnt really need more defensive cooldowns 3) shield il...
Kinda goes back to 2) here
prot warrior has nutty mitgation baked into it
so you can really afford to push damage on your trinkets comparatively
until such a time where having the extra defensives is a necessity at least
sick sentinel
cinder nova
Any items we should be looking for during Legion TW?
jagged pier
no
modern brook
Any items we should be looking for during Legion TW?
COS ring is basically a strict upgrade forma regular ring
jagged pier
not really
sick sentinel
was the didn't have kliea potions summoned is why i am saying i died
cinder nova
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFDqmlOQ8qs
Died to back hits.
jagged pier
its like 1000 damage over an entire boss fight
modern brook
its like 1000 damage over an entire boss fight
its also a crit haste ring π€·
sick sentinel
anyway this video is from literal less than 48 hours ago
jagged pier
yer but 252 high haste ring probs better
weary lodge
until such a time where having the extra defensives is a necessity at least
Maybe I'm just getting some shit healers, but I've been feeling pretty soft in the 18 key range, especially on fort weeks.
jagged pier
u can literally do the math on the ring its like less than a SS if u get that extra gcd by playing better u will do more damage
cinder nova
Oh man, I forgot how robust Legion was.
modern brook
Maybe I'm just getting some shit healers, but I've been feeling pretty soft in t...
I'll blame your healers
but if you want actual advice, logs and videos help alot with identifying where isuses arise
jagged pier
if u are feeling weak in 18s your probably doing somthing wrong
cinder nova
10 dungeons on release and we got 9 dungeons closing on the end of an xpack.
I wonder why it's such an outlier.
modern brook
probably because illidan was in it
blazing condor
hard to evaluate that kind of thing as its happening live because you will alway...
Just to respond an hour later but thats why you look at your own vods after
I dont expect you to do analyse it during the run
red cave
any good legion mythic+ loot to farm this week?
jagged pier
no
fervent axle
I'm not seeing SR damage on the mage tower for mindrend, I thought it was supposed to be reflectable
fervent axle
I'm talking about on inquisitor the first guy
Maybe I'm misrembering but I thought SR reflected it on ptr
cinder nova
Yeah, I mean I don't think it was reflectable in Legion.
wild hemlock
Maybe I'm just getting some shit healers, but I've been feeling pretty soft in t...
fort weeks suck tbh. im 251 and still get slapped below 20s lol
shut summit
Maybe I'm misrembering but I thought SR reflected it on ptr
dont believe so
you reflect the debuff from the little dudes auto attacking
cinder nova
Damn I must be terrible, I can't even get past 50% on the miniboss
shut summit
lol
jagged pier
took me at least 100 back in the day
shut summit
π¬
cinder nova
What stacks would you recommend
cinder nova
I feel like if I get sweaty I could probably tear down the inquisitor if I kinda just cleave adds ambiently
jagged granite
fort weeks suck tbh. im 251 and still get slapped below 20s lol
I've been doing 20-21s this week, all you gotta do is kite in your mitigation windows..
pulsar wedge
for agatha any gear swaps yall using?
jagged pier
well i would recommend equiping 2 2hs
jagged pier
no conduits
mellow bridge
and scaled ilvl so theoretically I could use any shit alt I got?
jagged pier
no old leggos
tardy sequoia
i've been recording some logs
twilit jay
is it worth using the kyrian lego?
jagged pier
and scaled ilvl so theoretically I could use any shit alt I got?
u can literally just wear what u have on now
mellow bridge
i mean
can I use any other random alts to get their sets as well
or do I need some gear
shut summit
scales you
jagged pier
u all get scaled down to the same ilvl
jagged pier
run Storm bolt, BV, rav, AM
cinder nova
Bolt? Why? I feel like getting around is my problem atm.
cinder nova
Should I just ignore the eyes and face them when they beam
jagged pier
u just heroic throw them
jagged pier
okay but what r u doing when your at high stacks and there are no arcane mobs?
just doing nothing?
u can just ignore them
but u should kill at least one for get VR
deep steppe
I think I need to manage my damage better, cause I get to like 6 mins on the first mini-boss and just get clapped π₯Ί
cinder nova
Yeah it definitely feels like this goes a lot slower than Legion
I think my Legion kill was a little over 5 minutes
jagged pier
6 minutes on the first boss
π
????????????
he should take half that even less
jagged pier
u can literally go to 10 stacks and use the light
deep steppe
I also think I spent too much time zooming around after the adds
jagged pier
u should be actively using that thing
deep steppe
I never had 2 light things up at the same time
jagged pier
yer i dont know what your doing then
inland raft
Only took like 2 goes at it cuz gotta go to gym but i was just waiting til adds spawned and clumped up and just stepped in the light and pumped
jagged pier
meh will have to see if its changed tomorrow but i was just watching my PTR kill
modern brook
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Pdv86gqhfx4ZXbtY/ <@!238357283996696576>
checking
jagged pier
i dunno I was going to like 8 stacks all the time
inland raft
They buffed the damage output, on my protpal i was going to like 6-7 or so comfortably though
cinder nova
Trinket suggestions?
jagged pier
whatever u like
modern brook
@tardy sequoia How often did you wait for stupid deaths
jagged pier
I ran phial and sack
shut summit
yea i think the cast from 1st dude got buffed from ptr
it did feel slightly harder in p1
modern brook
its kinda hard to check cause of how the log cut up the dungeon
But the biggest issues i see are 11 deaths to avoidable damage
and a slightly weird route
Routing probably cost you like 30s overall, deaths cost a minute in tax alone
shut summit
ptr was 753 mind rend, live is ~1522
tardy sequoia
route is mechagon add, then clear all ardenweald, backtracking to mechagon, then hakkar and finally mueh'zala
isn't that standard route?
jagged pier
ptr was 753 mind rend, live is ~1522
slightly worse then
tardy sequoia
that's what i did...
if you see 2 mobs after ardenweald boss
it's because i forgot 2 mobs for % and immediately did them before going to mechagon
modern brook
OH i see what happened
jagged pier
i dunno how u can see anything from that log tbh
modern brook
It marked Varruth as millificent casue it caught her doing her rp casts in the background
modern brook
i dunno how u can see anything from that log tbh
i have special eyes
jagged pier
π€·
modern brook
im also not looking for anything specific
tardy sequoia
i dunno how u can see anything from that log tbh
I just used /combatlog before starting the key and again at the end when over
modern brook
just things that would kill a dungeon by 3 minutes
tardy sequoia
is that right?
jagged pier
oya wowhead posted it <@!179993058186625025>
yer i read it yesterday but didnt think it would be that big, but then again on PTR i didnt even notice mind rend
so i guess this makes it noticable
jagged pier
i mean it kinda is
strong forum
Yes
tardy sequoia
also i would like to know if i did something wrong in the mitigation department
cause i took a shitton of damage, didn't know how the heck I haven't died once
strong forum
You're really making me wanna do the challenge
strong forum
I suppose
I was just now thinking "maybe I'll just do it now cuz I feel like gaming"
But lmoa is US only rn
jagged pier
nome returning :POG
modern brook
But lmoa is US only rn
nomreturn
jagged pier
kruuls the hard part
jagged pier
with base class
chilly brook
But lmoa is US only rn
Go NA servers duh weirdo
jagged pier
that dps check for kruul is way harder
strong forum
Idk
jagged pier
did u do it on ptr nome?
strong forum
No
jagged pier
cause i did
strong forum
Only real legion
chilly brook
I member Kruul being the easy part back in Legion
chilly brook
Same
modern brook
also i would like to know if i did something wrong in the mitigation department
this seems low
jagged pier
same on my second warrior
strong forum
this seems low
Check hits
chilly brook
Mage tower was brutal for warrior without Antorus set bonus
Then everyone who did it when Antorus set dropped just omegalul bursted through it
modern brook
Check hits
im not sure what im missing
tardy sequoia
this seems low
i casted shield block when tanking, maybe casting at wrong times?
strong forum
im not sure what im missing
You're hovering over dmg taken, not over hits
modern brook
You're hovering over dmg taken, not over hits
lmao oops
strong forum
If you're hovering over hits specifically it shows actual block%
tardy sequoia
i tried to keep its uptime the most
chilly brook
I did mine in between ToS and Antorus but I didn't raid in ToS
modern brook
stil llow
strong forum
Yeah 67% is omega low
chilly brook
And I had just started Warrior
strong forum
That's block% when you're not running reprisal or HR
modern brook
well
strong forum
Aka naked
tardy sequoia
fun thing
modern brook
im actually at work
tardy sequoia
i'm using reprisal on CD
strong forum
Doubt
modern brook
tardy sequoia
isn't it possible to check it on logs?
strong forum
I got to 69% blocked hits in mists with running seismic and anger management
strong forum
So the fact that you're only having 67% blocked hits with reprisal means you're not using SB and or reprisal correctly
You should be around 80-85% if you were
mighty cairn
any op prot warrior strats in legion timewalking
modern brook
@tardy sequoia this is kinda hard to show ina screenshot
but top is your SB uptime, followed by charge, intervene and sb usage in melee
the last bar is whenever you were taking melee damage
modern brook
this is specifically from your first lust pull
where you had again ~ 67% blocked hits
modern brook
SB uptime or _effective_ uptime?
effective up time == blocked hit %, essnetially
strong forum
any op prot warrior strats in legion timewalking
Kill eyes for victory rush procs
Kill the ether guys insta if you can
Reflect drain life
Enter p2 before you get 3 infernals up
Safe orbs for p2 if you can to interrupt Kruul and heal Velen
tardy sequoia
effective up time == blocked hit %, essnetially
OK thanks
So what should I do to patch this up?
or you can continue, i'm interested to know if there's anything else
like ignore pain usage etc.
modern brook
So what should I do to patch this up?
in that first big red rectangle, you should sb there
tardy sequoia
but maybe if i Kited there it won't usage blocks, right?
tardy sequoia
in that first big red rectangle, you should sb there
ok but translated ingame mechanics?
modern brook
I'm not sure how else to say "you let sb drop when you were taking blockable damage, and the remedy to this is to use SB earlier to avoid taking more damage"
you have the charges
cinder nova
In other words, keep a closer eye on your block usage.
tardy sequoia
ok i'll try this thanks
modern brook
^
I also think you missed a bunch of intervene casts
wrt maintaining reprisal efficiency
tardy sequoia
wrt maintaining reprisal efficiency
got it
modern brook
yeah 2
deep steppe
Kill eyes for victory rush procs
Kill the ether guys insta if you can
Reflect dr...
I dont think you can reflect drain life
it also doesnt always target you
cinder nova
Kill eyes for victory rush procs
Kill the ether guys insta if you can
Reflect dr...
Can't reflect drain life.
tardy sequoia
that is the first or second pull?
deep steppe
Can't reflect drain life.
I think im just a smooth brain now, I just cant seem to get past 30% on the first guy
strong forum
Can't reflect drain life.
literally can
twilit jay
man that mage tower is pretty rough
deep steppe
literally can
I've tried it a few times and it doesn't seem like its reflecting
strong forum
its not reflecting no, but it also doesnt do anything
so hes just standing there doing nothing
iirc
almost certain that i always used reflect on drain life
or was it save kick for drain life
then reflect mind rend?
cinder nova
literally can
It's literally healing him.
You still get the debuff and he still channels.
cinder nova
No, neither.
strong forum
??
cinder nova
You reflect twisted reflections.
strong forum
thats in p2
cinder nova
Right, there's nothing to SR in p1
shut summit
yea only thing reflectable in p1 is autoattack debuff from lil dudes
strong forum
dafuq
cinder nova
I'm literally staring at Variss as he drains my life after casting Mind Rend through SR.
Neither ate my SR buff. It fell off naturally.
strong forum
then i must remember incorrectly
twilit jay
it might just be doing the 20% dmg reduction and not actually reflecting like a missile?
strong forum
you never want drain life to go through ever
shut summit
yea it reduces dmg but you just kick/stun drain
strong forum
man i wish i had the vod of my pwar challenge
but i only have my VDH one where SPB was beyond broken
so i did it in 8 tries with 888 ilvl and 1 leggo 
cinder nova
Waiting on the debuff to fall feels like agony
wraith grail
In legion I had to use the triple jump boots to do the prot challenge. Now I gotta do this like someone who can't jump 3 times. RIP
jagged pier
bracers leggo basically cheating
chilly brook
chad here with less than 900 ilvl
I want to say I did it at 910?
strong forum
bracers leggo basically cheating
i didnt attempt the challenge without those
strong forum
was legit impossible without it at that ilvl
jagged pier
i didnt attempt the challenge without those
i did it on my alli warrior with leapers
in about thje same ilvl
fuck i wanna do the challenge
have to wait till after work
π¦
modern brook
asmae
chilly brook
look at this
Degenerate female draenei player smh
chilly brook
Oof
modern brook
look at this
i personally cant believe you went out of your way to get that font in your game
modern brook
nauseratur
chilly brook
Ok name address and social
modern brook
^
strong forum
no reason 
strong forum
LOL
chilly brook
I want to know why you have a bow and arrows
modern brook
poor griff
jagged pier
can we get an F in chat for griff
modern brook
F
strong forum
OH shit my alli warrior still wearing the gear
7 more artifact levels, invalid, also better trinkets
and antorus cloak
DENIED
chilly brook
strong forum
want me to stream it just for u Nome so u can cope?
yes
chilly brook
can we get an F in chat for griff
Big facts tho mythic sylvanas prog is a bitch
strong forum
stop with this bloodelf alliance propaganda
HOW
can void elves look like bloodelves now?
chilly brook
Because
strong forum
so you can look like a bloodelf as voidelf?
chilly brook
Yes
strong forum
neat
chilly brook
I almost went human
jagged pier
Big facts tho mythic sylvanas prog is a bitch
can stream my raid afterwards
chilly brook
But my lock is Dark Iron
modern brook
u ever pay 15 dollars a month to play human
jagged pier
stop with this bloodelf alliance propaganda
high elf
chilly brook
can stream my raid afterwards
Honestly I should probably record some of my pulls, I'm rusty as a tank
Been dps all tier
jagged pier
and slyv is the only boss that hurts
modern brook
any magetowerers confirm if SL or Legion or Both legendaries work
strong forum
nothing
chilly brook
and slyv is the only boss that hurts
She hurts like a bitch
modern brook
does it workin m+ at least?
jagged pier
does it workin m+ at least?
the mythic + is scaled up to u
your scaled down for mage tower
from what i know
modern brook
smh
jagged pier
so u cant use legion leggos in the m+
mellow lintel
He's trolling, set bonuses have been shut down even in timewalking for years.
jagged pier
but u can u cov and stuff
jagged pier
π€
ionic fern
i wanted to use my Legino stuff again
Some legion legendaries are worth using if you're trying to "min-max gear" as they have 3 sockets.
strong forum
^
jagged pier
i thought they comfirmed all of these wouldnt work before hand?
ionic fern
But honestly..there is 100% no need for it.
strong forum
i thought they comfirmed all of these wouldnt work before hand?
according to Catha, this person is memeing
jagged pier
π€
strong forum
but a great image
modern brook
so u cant use legion leggos in the m+
jagged pier
strong forum
mellow bridge
jagged pier
me every time mwahi wants to do a key
strong forum
me everytime
ionic fern
Legion Timewalking Information
Mage Tower resources
Generic guide for the Tank Mage Tower challenge: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/the-highlords-return-a-legion-timewalking-mage-tower-guide
Useful WeakAuras: https://wago.io/YBa2GlIu5
Video source from Sense: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS870EP7jNM&ab_channel=Sense-Nurfed
Legion Timewalking Dungeons
Routes & general information: https://raider.io/news/318-legion-timewalking-dungeon-paths-and-tips
Noteworthy Mythic+ gear
Writhing Heart of Darkness from Darkheart Thicket
Jeweled Signet of Melandrus from Court of Stars
Windscar Whetstone from Court of Stars
Faulty Countermeasure from Vault of the Wardens
jagged pier
okay spam much
modern brook
yeah thats a good pin but im mad about it too
strong forum
let people suffer like i have
jagged pier
150 attempts, 16hrs per day
ionic fern
okay spam much
Idk Jakey. Stop spamming.
strong forum
ohno
jagged pier
π
jagged pier
yer but my cadence is wack as fuck
strong forum
:worry:
strong forum
Should mute you for like a year.
thats 40k messages
sense is only emotes
he no talk
jagged pier
sense doesnt need to say anything
strong forum
hes the one who made 
ionic fern
We here discussing Mage tower while Sense already killed it.
shut summit
π¬
strong forum
and that doesnt tell me ANYTHING
jagged pier
mellow bridge
Sense the Godfather of Protection π
shut summit
ionic fern
I heard Sense can block attacks that are coming from behind.
jagged pier
sense literally a few weeks ago mwahi was looking at the Sfs IOs then he was like oh sense is doing casual 24s or somthing
shut summit
10.0 feature
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwwaU0X_tZ0 16 halls, few really shit pulls before the first boss but we made timer
ionic fern
π
shut summit
same
ionic fern
I remember being the highest io SF here in BfA and then Sense did a night of keys and overtook me.
jagged pier
I remember being the highest io SF here in BfA and then Sense did a night of key...
thats how it works u think your on top then sense just like ah ill do a few casual keys
sick sentinel
it gets bad towards first boss but it smooths out
strong forum
yeah you get hit in the back alot still
youre not kicking or spellreflecting
rippy
your first death was entirely preventable
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFDqmlOQ8qs
this is TOP 15 if you didn't see that one, didn't summon owl for kliea strategy i told hpal about
strong forum
F
tame jasper
I like Sense mythic sod vids π
sick sentinel
like, one thing i know is whenever a monster casts a frost bolt some or better example a curse, he wont do that again for X seconds
modern brook
I like Sense
sick sentinel
but i never know how long the monster stops casting that particular spell for
strong forum
depends on the cast
modern brook
but i never know how long the monster stops casting that particular spell for
recast times are generally 12s with some exceptions
sick sentinel
and i seen some people have timers for that, but don't want to complicate
strong forum
generally you need 2 regular kicks to fully lock down 1 mob
modern brook
^
strong forum
or a shaman
modern brook
or a shamana yeah
strong forum
some bosses / mobs although cast only once per kick CD or just barely below it
modern brook
for example HoA 3rd boss will recast font every uhhh 20s? i think
but tank can always get it
mellow bridge
I like Sense mythic sod vids π
When I was still progressing, I looked at his vids to see def cd usage
modern brook
which lets your DPS just kick the things you try and spell reflect :^)
strong forum
hoa 3rd boss you only need a SR and 2 kicks
strong forum
good healers change everything
not even funny
if you know you can rely on your healers to actually heal the tanks, its such a breeze
sick sentinel
good hpaladins are demigods
they do a ton of damage and healing and can serve as ermengcy tank with shield, not a great option
DK warrior paladin is the boys, extremely hard to go wrong with group like that
strong forum
You really don't want anybody to take a single hit on mythic
They get 1shot
In m+ they can live an occasional hit, sure
wild hemlock
DK warrior paladin is the boys, extremely hard to go wrong with group like that
youre wild
give me a frost mage anyday for the slows
modern brook
i dont even bother making comps
strong forum
i like underdogs
modern brook
I just invite the first 3 dps that arent mages or hunters and the first healer that apply
strong forum
^pmuch that
modern brook
if its quaking i try not to take two melee AND a hpal
but thats about the extent of my composition creating
sick sentinel
its more like am i wanting melee group or magic group and which type gives the buffs i need to finish dungeon easier
so, if i want magic, i'm looking for dh + mage/elesham X X
ionic fern
You are min-maxing a +15 key wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too hard.
But what ever works for you.
sick sentinel
if i can do everything to stack it in my odds i will
leads to arrogance
its like, when your in doom or some other game, and your at final boss, why would you ever want to go in as less than full health/armor/ammo and as many upgrades as you could
ionic fern
My point was more towards that you should be more focused on improving your own play rather than trying to cover for it via buffs etc.
sick sentinel
was my pokemon strategy, lvl one guy (golem) up to 100 and then 1 shot elite 4 over and over
somebody once mentioned my movment, its common with people who play FPS games we dance and have certain ways of moving to indicate without speaking, or just to get a gameplay advantage
growing up played a large amount of shooty shotgun gun boom games, you're just always moving incase have to get out of way mach 10, funny thing happens in games like that plasma gun could be best one room and then rockets best for next, even though damage doesn't change
mellow bridge
funny thing is
sick sentinel
always swapping to some new weapon :S
mellow bridge
a lot of ele sham dmg on packs is actually physical
so getting a dh for them doesnt do thaaat much
sick sentinel
i'm not tryin to be 3head but like, i mean u have to figure that enhance is the * more * melee based build
ele i think lava and earthquake, enh i think WF and storm strike
sick sentinel
from the DK server
lime urchin
well, a bit late to the party, but we finally managed to align our schedules and the first +20 timed in le pocket!
much fun!
ionic fern
lime urchin
but I did not expect these affixes to be such a timesink!
strong forum
450 per attacks is actually not bad?
thats quite large even
for 100% uptime
actually thats fucking massive
@ everyone, if you can get me a log with that trinket equipped, would be greatly appreciated
tropic gorge
holy shit the mt is hard
sick sentinel
its m+ and you tanked m sylvannas as prot warrior
no way you can't just spam it out lol
tropic gorge
im getting wrecked 30 seconds in. quite a curve
strong forum
if you dont know what youre doing youre gonna die really quickly yes
but once you know everything its quite enjoyable and a neat challenge
but shouldnt prove too difficult
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WChHqaO5SeI me entering mage tower
never played legion, bad at wow
RIP me
strong forum
yeah i reckon its gonna be quite frustrating for some
jagged pier
βοΈ
lime urchin
I cant wait to give it a try!
strong forum
once i beat it i was sad that i couldnt do it again for fun
modern brook
Prolly stacks with aegis
strong forum
na bull, since its a debuff, it could reduce the outgoing dmg from the mob, way before any calculations are done on your end
lime urchin
wait, you cant do it again after you complete it?
lime urchin
oh ok
jagged pier
true
quiet crane
Jesus kruls dps check is a bitch
Just double checking you canβt use old legion legendaries can you for the timewalkimg!
jagged pier
no theyve all been disabled
strong forum
you cant use anything besides trinkets and normal gear
they made it future proof
and past proof
quiet crane
Might have to get some socket gear
jagged pier
no u dont
strong forum
its doable without fancy gear
quiet crane
I dunno how to get that last 5% before the 3rd annihilate
strong forum
??
jagged pier
??
strong forum
you can live like 5 annihilates
inland raft
5 maybe 6 ya
strong forum
SB on first, SB+Demo on 2nd, 3rd LS+SB+Demo, 4th SB+SW+Demo?
quiet crane
Wtf I legit die even with them up
strong forum
throw in a defensive item if you feel fancy
quiet crane
Only way I survive 3rd hit is if I use every CD avail
strong forum
you should be able to live 4
jagged pier
nome its different to legion
strong forum
ya but still
jagged pier
4 is gunna be hairy as fuck
strong forum
bears also have to live 4
jagged pier
trust
jagged pier
but u can literally stall the cast
quiet crane
I legit canβt survive the third hit without full CDs
quiet crane
Iβm talking stacking em
strong forum
hm
sick sentinel
id be interested to see nomer try writhing heart and mythic decanter endless howl
giga crit
jagged pier
well as decanter does nothing it would be shit
quiet crane
Iβm not a shit tank either I tank 24-25 live
inland raft
I disnt play end of legion but watching videos it def looks like its harder currently then then but on my pally i was taking a couple with nothing more then sotr but ran out of time
jagged pier
u have to stack crit to get use of that trinket
sick sentinel
giant crit stick
quiet crane
Iβll run scale, that should easily make the diff if I can just get by that third hit
jagged pier
i mean how big is the shield even gunna be?
quiet crane
Should be enough hopefully with SW
inland raft
Ive been told its pretty strong
sick sentinel
so like 250-290 crit from having maxed hod and howling decanter
shut summit
i lived 4th hit with demo / rally / shield block
quiet crane
What legit how
ionic fern
4 is gunna be hairy as fuck
HMpf, Sense lived 4 with a swivel of HP with only SB-Rallying/DS. π
quiet crane
I throw down all CDs just to survive the third but I carked that pull and died
jagged pier
π€· on PTR i killed before 4 so
sick sentinel
should i public and playlist the mythic + runs so its easier access
shut summit
when you reflect twisted reflection try not to waste any rage on ip at all
legit just spam rev/execute cuz it heals you
ionic fern
Fix your damn WA tho Sense.
strong forum
you played ITF? hmmm
ionic fern
tropic gorge
welp time to take a break from that
ionic fern
No point playing Ravager. π¦
strong forum
youll hardly have uptime on good haste tho
tropic gorge
i'm getting way too annoyed
strong forum
UF? :POG?
ionic fern
On last phase you will probably have like 2-3 stacks minimum up constantly with ItF.
shut summit
ya BS wa sayin i didnt buff velen
ionic fern
Velen and the other dude count for Itf stacks iirc.
strong forum
ya but tanking kruul next to velen is yike cuz of his shit jump zone
jagged pier
Might try ITF then but not gunna lie having rav was nice as base class gens no rage
strong forum
sense was legit 50% after 3rd annihilate with just SB + SW
ionic fern
JEah, and the 4th he lived with 1.8k HP
shut summit
you can queue for it after beating it fyi
strong forum
you can queue for it after beating it fyi
neat
shut summit
Velen and the other dude count for Itf stacks iirc.
ya they do
strong forum
yeah seeing spear ready 24/7 made me anxious
jagged pier
U didnt even finish on PTR because if that if i remeber correctly @ionic fern
jagged pier
π€
jagged pier
Base class
strong forum
actually 1.5min slower
shut summit
ya this was a terrible pull too, havent played wow at all lately
meager locust
is so hard to do tanks...
strong forum
tank one is probably the hardest magetower challenge
healer isnt all that easy either
jagged pier
It really depends on spec tbh
strong forum
yeah
jagged pier
It was
strong forum
you can see by my horrid performance how easy it was
1 leggo, 888 ilvl, bad fucking play
took me only 8 tries
hollow bolt
Bear was good 2
strong forum
i heard bear was hard
jagged pier
Did bear without luffas
If u had luffas it was a piece of piss
As u could stand outside the circle on the first guy
strong forum
wasnt bear zone literally twice the size
strong forum
As u could stand outside the circle on the first guy
ah that would do it
jagged pier
Didnt matter
jagged pier
Not gunna lie tho the druid one is actually hard u dont do any damage but moonfire
sick sentinel
here i made a public list of keys that i managed to edit and save
theres like 10 from shadowlands and few from before
bunch of old weird UI's
all the weak auras from the BFA video are lost to time now and i never saved em not sure they worked
delicate saffron
wtf do i take, i already have a scale/defense matrix, but a 210 weapon
sick sentinel
is the weapon haste
delicate saffron
haste/verse
delicate saffron
itfeelsbadman, but i think the weppy is bigger
strong forum
its defo bigger
sick sentinel
no regrets on the trinket?
sick sentinel
its a good one, he could do raid though get a heroic or mythic weapon
sick sentinel
you guys are in favor of killing melee first boss TOP this week?
tropic gorge
gonna try this one more time and if i die in 2 minutes its break time
chilly brook
healer isnt all that easy either
I think healer was definitely harder than any of the tanks I did back in Legion
But I also did it on MW
tropic gorge
ah 45 seconds. welp break time
mossy ferry
Well, I realized I'm not as good at this challenge as I was the last time I did it.
Was kind of hoping to mostly skate through it with all the experience I got from the hundreds of attempts I did in Legion.
Nope.
mossy ferry
Sense's ability to just casually knock it out, back in Legion and now, is endlessly impressive.
viral garden
I remember the first time I beat it pre-nerfs in Legion. I kept dying over time because I didn't have the bracers to heal myself. I got lucky and they dropped for me the last day the mage tower would be up. I stayed up until almost midnight with minutes counting down until the tower would deactivate. I got to my last attempt because both the time was almost out and I only had enough shards to do 1 more attempt. Somehow I managed to beat that fucker and I remember screaming in the middle of the night announcing my victory over Kruul.
My wife was not happy about the noise.
strong forum
yeah
i pulled 16hr sessions when i did it week3
i didnt even dare to attempt it without bracers cuz of low ilvl and no friends/guilds/raiding to get gear
chilly brook
I remember the first time I beat it pre-nerfs in Legion. I kept dying over time ...
I remember doing something similar with The Chosen
With a group of pugs
Literally sat there for a very very long time practicing on alts
strong forum
i was in a chosen run
but i accidentally died on odyn so i didnt get title on helya kill
was such a stupid death too
and it was the very last reset of legion
chilly brook
My DH is the only one I was able to successfully do it on
And that was my lowest geared tank
mighty cairn
does the legion m+ key scaling feel weird to anyone
+15 ok but party getting blasted on 17s
compared to the 15 -> 17 diff on live keys
autumn pendant
but i accidentally died on odyn <:sadge:820202363359854633> so i didnt get title...
unfortunate
mighty cairn
do you need to register or do something to get your legion m+ runs to show up in r.io
i can't find the place in their disc channel
sick sentinel
no
u have to wait a few hours for it to check unless u pay
it can take up to 3 days for a key to register that you did it
strong forum
pay?
sick sentinel
yes
mighty cairn
yea i ran a bunch of legion keys earlier today but don't see anything
my live keys usually update faster
sick sentinel
u can pay raider io to push io updates through PC app
i saw it advert'd on the pc app
100% real
sick sentinel
yeah, its real, u pay for a year or somethin
mighty cairn
faster updates
strong forum
idk man
mighty cairn
i guess they got to make money somehow
sick sentinel
i did the pc app because it was slightly faster io updates not alot faster
mighty cairn
yea mine are usually fat
fast
just the legion ones aren't showing up
but i see other people's runs on the leaderboards
sick sentinel
i would get denied from a 15 key that i was farming cuz i had like 7 other keys on time but not that one