There are currently some issues that the 2p is not working correctly(you wont get any buffs) and you need to re-log for it to start working again.
#protection
ionic fern
runic sparrow
buff looks like this
sand pebble
chat log shows me getting buffs but nothing on buff icons
strong forum
You got some kind of blacklisting?
sand pebble
nope ptr is pure default ui
strong forum
Guess then it's just racism
mellow bridge
I guess Pally/Priest needs even more raid dr lmao?
(only usable in heal spec so no prot pally abuse)
ocean yoke
wonder if it has an icd or just yolo lowers it with everything
mellow bridge
it's basically an AMZ that blocks all kinds of dmg
instead of just magic
and only pally/priest can reduce the CD
runic sparrow
https://imgur.com/a/zplVyUP
still less damage reduced than a single press of aegis : ]
100% total and not per player
mellow bridge
mh that's probably the total
strong forum
Then it depends on how low you can get the CD
On its value
But probably really good nonetheless
mellow bridge
like no matter if it will end up being good or not
I'm just confused why the DR healers are getting even more DR
while druid/mw are still sadge
strong forum
Well in m+ every healer can use it
In raid yeah only pally and priest
Real nice classism
mellow bridge
I guess but even then priest/pally would get even more casts out of it
just weird idk
strong forum
Real subtle blizz
mellow bridge
o well maybe there's another one for nature healers lmfao
strong forum
Real subtle
mellow bridge
that looks like an Anduin drop 100%
and it fits for his thematic
but just make it a fixed cd or smth
sand pebble
ok a complete logout fixed the buff icon issue!
only doubles the slow but triples the rage gen and damage
doesnt actually do anything to ignore pain
sick sentinel
generates 15 rage and 5k non crit to all targets sounds good to me
deft vortex
"tHis WiLL heLp KeEp thE BonUs'S pOweR fRoM sCaliNG oUt oF cOntrOl"
chilly brook
I'm not sure they can give it much of a heavier ICD without it feeling crappy in raid
Although who knows
dusky mica
I don't think the tank that does the most damage needs to be doing more damage.
mighty cairn
how does prot paladin double legendary synergy look next tier
i don't know anything about the class
tardy sequoia
How do you up conduits to 252? mines still stand at 239
mellow bridge
how does prot paladin double legendary synergy look next tier
Very good
mellow bridge
How do you up conduits to 252? mines still stand at 239
Korthia grind
Although rift farm is pretty fast actually
lucid bough
"tHis WiLL heLp KeEp thE BonUs'S pOweR fRoM sCaliNG oUt oF cOntrOl"
Not like prot warrior didnt dominate bfa. And little was done to balance it. And its not like pala dominates SL m+
deft vortex
Cant argue with you there
tardy sequoia
Korthia grind
Do i have to switch engineering and buy the toy?
i did a rift without macro nor toy but i got only 1000 rep
sick sentinel
3/9 on venthyr story so far
then i got 7 other toons at lvl 50 or more i can try out
mellow bridge
Toy makes it more efficient but it's not required
And you are probably low rep tier right?
You gain more the higher you are
chilly brook
Not like prot warrior didnt dominate bfa. And little was done to balance it. And...
In fairness 8.3 kinda made it irrelevant
mighty valley
it's much faster than it used to be if you're doing dailies and killing the rares you see along the way, then you can start grouping for the big rift guys
sick sentinel
adversary soulbind looks interesting in venthyr
you do 3% more, they do 15% less first combat target
mighty valley
yeah, that's the raid default
chilly brook
And I honestly wouldn't even make the argument that prot needed a nerf or that current prot paladin needs one. What they need to do is to buff everyone else to that level. Although that being said, tank balance is incredible rn
sick sentinel
possibly on m+ tyranical if we see any venthyr
like bosses that have more than 1 thing, say first boss of spires, and theatre
urban portal
nah
sick sentinel
so, you charge and hit the target you don't want to kill you, get a nice 15% rrdection against him
mighty valley
it's 1.5%
viral flume
yo, is stat prio something like haste = vers / crit / mastery?
M+ terms specifically
Trying to figure out which stats to put on reprisal
ancient pasture
haste/vers
viral flume
ty ty
sick sentinel
mastery is dead last basically
but yes haste into versa/crit/mastery
cut off points are 1050 and 1200, 30% and 40%, up to 40% is strongly encouraged to try to gear towards at those values, you will lose 10% from stats and then 20% from stats, % like power infusion from priest, conduits, or blood lust do not factor in since they are % gains
agile pumice
does that affect stuff like old warriors soul as well?
sick sentinel
if it says "123 haste rating" its taxed
agile pumice
damn
1050 and 1200 are just for mastery and crit arent they since haste and vers scale different
sick sentinel
In short, after reaching 30% received from gear of any secondary stat, it takes increasingly more rating to increase another % of that stat from your gear.
This means that if you have, let's say, 40% haste before the change was implemented, with it you'll only have 39% haste.
sick sentinel
80 versa for 1% rrduction lol, i swear i had heard 1050, maybe was for something else
mighty valley
we don't really need to overthink it til deep next patch
sick sentinel
yeah but chad on mdi useses +27% verrsa so you should too
viral flume
another question, im NF currently and running korayn. Do i pick up first strike for threat gen, or is a third potency + damage reduction from face your foes better?
mighty valley
You got this
crystal iris
that was actually not terrible!
modern brook
another question, im NF currently and running korayn. Do i pick up first strike ...
U pick up 1ststrike for damage not for threat
I think Niya is the generalist play
viral flume
hmm, okay thanks 🙂
cinder nova
So with the PTR apparently up
Does our 2p/4p "200% effectiveness" equate to extra rage?
shut summit
yes
cinder nova
That's actually pretty stonks
What about the TC slow
and it is reactive with talents?
e.g. does HR get 3s over 1s per SS
Or does using The Wall give 9 extra rage etc.
sand pebble
and it is reactive with talents?
tc gets a 40% slow, triple rage and damage
baseline tc*
wary raft
Does the tier set work with heavy repercussions
sand pebble
anyone seen what 50% more effective ip means? the tooltip doesnt change and i didnt see it making a larger absorb shield past what normal usage does
sand pebble
nothing in tooltips changes from 50% dr
cinder nova
I mean, that's probably not going to happen.
You can just test damage intake off it.
dense tree
How much hps is decent? Trying to get the hang of tanking on warr, haven’t done much since 8.1. Ending keys with 1.8-2.3k without tank trinkets and key level is just 15s to get the hang of it
cinder nova
HPS is a really weird thing to focus on, but it's not an indicator of survival.
Warrior is always going to be low HPS anyway since it's only got Indom, Kyr, and IP outside of trinkets. Lots of tanks rely heavily on healing to actually survive where warrior relies on mitigating enough damage to make it healable externally.
modern brook
Does the tier set work with heavy repercussions
The tier set does not currently work with hr or the wall leggo
cinder nova
I forgot Alex Baldwin blew a dude's head off on set.
strong forum
Ok
tawdry dirge
anyone else facing the issue that unstoppable force is dead as a talent?
on ptr that is
jagged pier
It will always be a dead talent
strong forum
That talent has been removed in SL pre-patch
Always had that empty space there on that row
jagged pier
Well changing the value of 0 is still 0
strong forum
Well do you have avatar activated?
strong forum
blazing condor
opal swallow
blazing condor
more buttons 
fierce widget
gaining the 8th stack of outburst with IP breaks the ability to gain stacks
strong forum
Yup
fierce widget
still better than monk 4 Piece bonus that does nothing not even working
strong forum
Well they are reworking that set
And all the sets are giga buggy rn as they're apparently not properly implented yet
uncut juniper
still better than monk 4 Piece bonus that does nothing not even working
Yep. What Nomeratur says: https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-reworking-brewmaster-monk-tier-set-4-piece-in-upcoming-9-2-build-325147
forest meadow
Monk 4pc does nothing even if it worked correctly.
gaunt dawn
graceful cobalt
what is better 246 haste/versa bracers with socket or krit haste 239 with domination socked
blazing condor
dom socket
if youre doing m+ you could make an argument to use the 246 bracers granted the shard you were gonna use for the dom socket would be bad (like the leech one or speed)
but just take the dom socket either way tbh its good to have
graceful cobalt
ok so than the same with gloves versa/haste 246 change to 239 with versa/mastery and dom socked.
if i get the rep by arch rang 6 i buy the 239 with hast/versa dom
blazing condor
dom socket > ilvl > haste > vers > crit >= mastery is a general rule of thumb
cant go wrong with that
graceful cobalt
ok thx
graceful cobalt
one question we socket haste right?
blazing condor
Yea
unless you already have 40% haste
which is where you get diminishing returns on the haste
ebon geyser
Morning fellow ragers
blazing condor
😡 👋
strong forum
sick sentinel
Prot warrior is crackhead for haste up to 40% from stats whatever we can get from %buffs
blazing condor
so how do you tell if the %haste you get from something gives you DR or not
as in
OWS counts as "true" haste right?
but other things dont
modern brook
If it's haste rating it's affected by dr
If it's haste % it's not
Same with every stat
strong forum
^
Game don't care bout hitting %, only the actual value
So like, 990 haste is when the first tax sets in
Then >1287 haste is the 20% tax
sick sentinel
There is no such thing as "true haste"
35%+ 0 haste rating from lust still equals 35% haste and having 35% haste from stat value and then getting lustywusty35% still puts you at 70% (maybe lust is 40 or 30 , I get confused, the "fake lust" aka drums gives a lower % and is generally not as preferable as its also using a gold consumable.)
sick sentinel
So, even though the spell blood lust gives you a fuck load of haste, it isn't being counted as taxed
strong forum
So you get x1.3 haste from bloodlust, not flat 30%
Haste is the only stat that works like that
sick sentinel
I mean true, but let's not even pretend like we understand how critical block works fully, for example lol, don't want to co fuse the poor guy too badly
strong forum
Well it's really simple but ok
blazing condor
If it's haste % it's not
oh yeah now i member thanks : )
sick sentinel
Too long didn't read new guy keep stacking haste until you see at least 30-35%haste and slow down around just shy of 40 %
blazing condor
forgot stats were actually numerical as well 🙂
sick sentinel
Out of combat ungigabuffd haste
I wouldn't go lower than 30% haste or higher than 40% stats me personal
33% now with out crafted neck
sick sentinel
I was desperate need of crit and it was 249 crit versa neck in vault 2 weeks ago
blazing condor
haste crit build with seismic is the shit
sick sentinel
Also works for m+ arms and I don't have to wear a stupid blue item
230, but it's a blue quality, smh
wooden widget
Hey guys I saw the pin re multispec arms/prot. Is that still relevant with zero energy cost to conduit swapping?
Like if I remember should I be swapping the right side for a diff prot potency?
blazing condor
its still relevant
i use mikanikos and have right side for prot and left for arms
works really well for me
wooden widget
Cool beans. That’s what I’d like to do on my alt I appreciate it!
strong forum
It's only irrelevant if you're willing to run to fucking bastion anytime you change specs
And lemme tell you, that trip ain't worth just for 1 or 2 conduit
sick sentinel
change covenants
lose hearthstone and conduits path
change back, same fucking shit
wooden widget
So if it’s convienent or I’m willing to go to bastion it’s better to use the first potency as prot?
sick sentinel
WHY
i don't think it should remember quests and stuff, bu your soulbind paths, and hearthstone, yes
or better yet, in 9.2 have an auto swapping covenant hearthstone, takes you back to main base of whatever covenant you are on and triggers regular HS cd
blazing condor
So if it’s convienent or I’m willing to go to bastion it’s better to use the fir...
Ashen Juggernaut is a good potency for prot (especially raids) so you don't really need to switch for another potency
since you'd want unnerving focus regardless you'd probably not really switch off anything anyway
but thats just my opinion maybe there's actually more merit to doing so
i dont really see the point
wooden widget
Okay thanks
sick sentinel
i didn't mind the trip back so much because there are telport pads all over bastion that take you right to home base
- the bird beside spires of ascension dungeon that is a free 10 second taxi to and from spires and base
spiral mason
just fly though?
blazing condor
not to mention you can also call on a teleport from your steward
but yes
just fly
sick sentinel
so, i now have fairly intimate knowledge of the spires dungeon, as it also has my fucking trinket still 😠
my ""poor mans OWS; AFE""
inland raft
Just do hc sylv its a joke at this point even in most pugs you’ll get ows eventually
If not comfortable tanking it just go as arms or fury
cinder dirge
D'you guys feels like we'll have to go back to use thunderlord legendary + unstoppable force / booming voice / anger management with these set bonuses?
blazing condor
no
TC damage is still ass
like from baseline
you always run anger management already though
unless you do 25+ keys in m+ which i assume you don't
blazing condor
play what you prefer it's not a bad talent to run
but it's not needed at the same time until you hit those thresholds where the extra % of block uptime actually is crucial 🙂
modern brook
D'you guys feels like we'll have to go back to use thunderlord legendary + unsto...
tclap w/ outburst bonus is still less damage than shield slam on ~ 5 targets with out UF
UF doesnt actually synergyze with the set bonsues at all
strong forum
You get 1 or 2 empowered claps per avatar
How exactly does that line up with UF?
Seriously confused why people ask about UF when TC is a terrible button
strong forum
You mean 5
strong forum
Yeah im doing alot of playing yep, yes, uhuh
modern brook
I think people are just looking for an excuse to 👢 🍵 👏 agian
blazing condor
sir you have a yellow name
modern brook
since thats whta prot warrior is to most people
plush tendon
So KT about dead, and I got to decide.... Prot War for Slyv or back to the Blood DK
Co Tank is a VDH
My mind is telling me BDK but my body is telling me Prot War
plush tendon
strong forum
Bdk is the best tank for sylv tanking
Pwar is better soaker than vdh
Rest is up to you
plush tendon
IKR
modern brook
i wish i liked DK
im not gunna lie
conceptually the calss is radas hell
and then i play it and it just doesnt live up to it
blazing condor
modern brook
yeesh thats way truer than i want it to be
every day i spend all work wishing i was playing my warrior
then i get home finally turn the computer on press tcalp in elysian hold 4 times then do something else :/
15 dollars a month great value
plush tendon
we'll find out
blazing condor
if its possible to stack that is
plush tendon
100% possible to stack
blazing condor
sick sentinel
modern brook
is it better to stack or chain ashens?
im pretty sure you can just pull half the dungeon w/ first boss, dump 5 ashens then wait 4 minutes and do it again
and still be on pace
blazing condor
yes cus then it'd only take 8 minutes to clear the dungeon 🙂
modern brook
+3rd and 4th boss timer yeah
sick sentinel
5/9 on venthyr boys, and then i just have to pick up my final soulbind for NF
blazing condor
well if you pull half the dungeon on the first time then second half on the second then there's nothing left 😦
modern brook
like im imagining hoa be a triple pull in the sense that you pull all the shards together
then triple garg the boss
then do 2nd boss
then pull everything into 3rd
like theres no world where that doesnt awork
sick sentinel
i have problem in HOA and SD this season where i forget that that LT exists in the room with the mobs
so i run right in
blazing condor
after 2nd boss?
sick sentinel
yeah and before 2nd sd
blazing condor
that pack is pretty nice to just pull outside anwyay in HOA
los on the door and HT the dog
make them all come to you
lines them up nice
sick sentinel
sometimes i just, forget that it is a thing i charge in, see it and, well fuck
blazing condor
also doesnt matter which you start with if you do that strat cus the tormentor wont pull
sick sentinel
thing is doesn't matter if i forget to process in my head he's even in there to begin with
we're either about to use all CD's or wipe, or both
blazing condor
unless it's changed from before reprisal rework its Devastator/any/booming voice/indom/ravager/bolster
ionic relic
Aww I need to wait until Upper Reachers for the best M+ leggo right? 😦
blazing condor
you can run twisting corridor and defeat the boss of the Upper Reaches layout to get it
but it gotta be TC layer 3 or higher iirc
ionic relic
Interesting. Never done TC 😄
blazing condor
so just reset TC until you get the right layout
ionic relic
Reset means walk in and walk out right?
blazing condor
yep!
blazing condor
yeah pretty much : )
ionic relic
Great. Appreciate the help
I find that without demo shout or avatar, I can get pretty energy starved.
Will the leggo help with that, or could I be doing something wrong?
With TClap and shield block on CD, sometimes I want to mitigate but have no rage, or way to build rage to do so
blazing condor
The leggo will help you with rage for sure
since you implement charge-weaving and intervene in your rotation
you get free charge and a revenge proc (+ shield block) every time
so you get free rage + rage that doesn't have to be dumped into SB/Revenge
modern brook
rage gen shouldnt be an issue rn
its likely you're either a) not pressing enough or b) not using it efficiently
ie: shieldblock is not used on cd its used as needed but thats enough of a semantics im not trying to call you out on it
logs / videos help alot with identfiying pain points in things like that
:^)
ionic relic
No it's helpful. Am I really expected to know when to shieldblock on every pack in every SL dungeon though?
modern brook
yes
ionic relic
oh damn.
modern brook
i maen its easier than it sounds
but like 70% of tanking in general and 90% of this spec is homework
mellow bridge
tbh 99% of the time it's
modern brook
^
mellow bridge
have SB up if youre getting melee hit
lime urchin
Just play often and you will be fine!
mellow bridge
if you dont have it up, dont facetank
lime urchin
Raise your shield and hail to the thunderlord!
modern brook
If you're taking blockable damage you want to keep sb up
mellow bridge
the only exception are pure caster mobs/packs which are really rare
modern brook
If you're taking blockable damage you want to keep sb up
people read this, and interpret it as "If i am actively tanking, i want to keep sb up"
and thats wrong
ionic relic
My way of thinking is, if SB is on CD, use IP
modern brook
theres a million scenarios where you're active tank and not currently eating blockable damage
ionic relic
Is that right?
modern brook
My way of thinking is, if SB is on CD, use IP
IP should be used to prevent rage capping and thats about it
lime urchin
Unless you use this macro:
ionic relic
It's that bad is it?
modern brook
any defensive benefit it provide is secondary
mellow bridge
IP does not replace SB, not at all
lime urchin
#showtooltip Ignore Pain /cast revenge
ionic relic
LOL
modern brook
It's that bad is it?
IP is not good, no
modern brook
"only" but yeah
modern brook
but like 70% of tanking in general and 90% of this spec is homework
which is why prot warrior requries a strong understanding of the encounters
ionic relic
I say only, because it's on CD ALOT when I need it. But that goes back to not using it correctly
ionic relic
yeah I'm like 208 doing +11's
mellow bridge
not having reprisal will do that to you
modern brook
^
ionic relic
no leggo, no soulbinds etc
mellow bridge
you should probably focus on just getting reprisal atm
even at just 190
doesnt matter
the power it provides is ridiculous
ionic relic
Will do - at least I know what I am doing wrong and how to correct it. Very helpful. Thanks!
ionic relic
Appreciate that 🙂
chilly brook
IP should be used to prevent rage capping and thats about it
And unless you're on sylvanas
This bish hurts
modern brook
oh yeah i should qualify all my advise is for dungeon tanking
mellow bridge
there are some scenarios where you should probably be pressing IP even in dungeons
but you'll learn those as you go
modern brook
Raid tanking i unno just take like 50mg of caffine and try and stay awake till you get to the 1 boss per tier that matters
ionic relic
The blockable/reflectable sheet in pin
Is that blockable = shield block
Reflectable = spell reflect?
modern brook
yeah
you can also block things outside of shieldblock
but its rng and shouldnt be relied on
mellow bridge
The blockable/reflectable sheet in pin
Is that blockable = shield block
Reflecta...
yea
and a deflect means you dont take damage but the spell doesnt actually get reflected back to the caster
kinda like an immune
modern brook
^
modern brook
you get used to it pretty quick tbh
mellow bridge
if you see a cast, just press reflect and see what happens
modern brook
I'll give you till the 12th before you're back here complaining about how your gorilla dps only kick when you pop SR
mellow bridge
you'll learn it quickly
ionic relic
I'll give you till the 12th before you're back here complaining about how your g...
haha
ok hold on
So in spires...I can only shield block 1 thing?
modern brook
unmentioned is "melee attacks"
which are universally blockable
and generally accounts for around 2/3 of damage intake in a dungeon
sick sentinel
i'll have this venthyr shit done by tonight
ionic relic
ah right ok
modern brook
its honestly pretty rare for tank buster abilities to be blockable
because block Dr is actually insane
ionic relic
So generally in spires, I can use SB when I am taking hits to the face and only really save it for Overhead smash on the first boss?
tardy sequoia
During high damage pulls, when/what CDs do you use?
modern brook
So generally in spires, I can use SB when I am taking hits to the face and only ...
so this kind of goes back to what i was saying when i said "people interpret it as when im actively tanking i should have sb up"
on first oss spires
you should have block up while the angel is down
and not use it when shes flying around
it should naturally cover the overhead slash used like that
modern brook
During high damage pulls, when/what CDs do you use?
Defensive CD usage is generally very pull dependent
so its tough to say "use this always here"
ionic relic
makes sense.
tardy sequoia
For example almost every first pull in dungeons
ionic relic
you mean something like HoA first lust pull 😄
tardy sequoia
Because during fortified weeks this is what generally happens
odd tree
The blockable/reflectable sheet in pin
Is that blockable = shield block
Reflecta...
it's kinda crazy how many mechanics we can cheese simply with spell reflect. that doc is a godsend
tardy sequoia
I charge in, gain aggro, health drops to almost zero, pop shield wall or Last Stand (depending on how much hp I have)
ionic relic
Yeah I love my DK for the cheese with AMS. Glad I can do similar with Warr
tardy sequoia
Almost nothing changes, CDs are gone, I die
modern brook
I charge in, gain aggro, health drops to almost zero, pop shield wall or Last St...
are you using reprisal
modern brook
K then youre either way undergeared or are leaving some steps out, and I'll say as always logs and videos allow us to provide way better advise; but on the whole, using hoa as an example, first pulls can be done with only commiting Last stand
for the rage gen in Ravager to revenge spam w/ block up
mellow bridge
how about you give us more info
modern brook
its really possible you're giving back
mellow bridge
what is your first pull
modern brook
again videos and logs 😦
tardy sequoia
Next time I’ll post log but now I’d like a light clarification
modern brook
what you say happens, how i interpret that, and whats actually happening are often 3 very different things
mellow bridge
in HoA specifically youre probably getting clapped i nthe back while pulling more shit and getting blasted by dog bleeds + wicked bolts
tardy sequoia
Let’s stay first pull in SoA or DoS
mellow bridge
there is no light clarification on how to use CDs for M+ realistically
modern brook
DoS pull is ass
modern brook
you'll likely need to commit SW to it as well
but everything else you should be able to just demo + LS +damage cds
and keep a block up and be fine
tardy sequoia
Ok let’s say I charge in right? Shield block and intervene etc
blazing condor
first pull DOS you only really need demo + last stand to live it
then you kite if you dont get soothe on big guy
tardy sequoia
Then I pop last stand because I notice health starts dropping low
Ok I survive the damage
When the cd falls off I like get crumbled to pieces
mellow bridge
that shouldnt happen on a 20 except for rare scenarios
tardy sequoia
Exactly
lofty widget
in that particular pull the skeletons do magic melees which cant be blocked
tardy sequoia
so get us a log/vid
Right that’s always the right answer
modern brook
When the cd falls off I like get crumbled to pieces
if the CD falls off and the pull is still threatening to you
mellow bridge
well yes
modern brook
You should commit another
mellow bridge
we cant tell you what is going on, without seeing it
tardy sequoia
Because I’m getting really tired of high fort keys ending like this
modern brook
If that one falls off and the pull is still threatening to you
mellow bridge
cant read your mind
modern brook
you need to readjust the route because your DPS cannot handle this one
tardy sequoia
is it happening specifically this week by the way
On fort keys almost
Route is almost the Petko ones
modern brook
honestly if SoA first pull lasts longer than 20-30s your dps are trolling you
they have lust
they have everyhing
mellow bridge
and/or way too many casts are going through
tardy sequoia
Well I mean
mellow bridge
there's no magic trick
if youre getting trucked hard for no reason
your mitigation is lacking
odd tree
and/or way too many casts are going through
this usually bricks SoA keys, too many casts on the 1st pull
tardy sequoia
On enrage/bolster/necrotic that’s what happen
Btw next time I’ll record logs, hopefully I’ll sort this out
mellow bridge
youre supposed to kite at the end of a pull with those 3 affixes usually
anyway need to afk for a bit
modern brook
Btw next time I’ll record logs, hopefully I’ll sort this out
this will probably help you the most theory and practice are often very different
tardy sequoia
Because almost always
“Ok hp goes down, put last stand” nice for the secs remaining
“Oh man hp still going down, pop SW!”
Nice
“I’m almost dead, pop scale”
And/or rallying cry
Mobs are still live, cds have gone to hell
I die
This is the story short
Btw thanks again, I’ll record some logs next time i log into the game
modern brook
👍
modern brook
Could it be that I have all conduits ilvl 239 still?
probably isnt your problem but likely isnt helping
modern brook
juicy as fuck
this the one that has a dps mode that we're never leaving?
chrome falcon
One thing I would say is that popping SW because you're low and still losing hp is not the ideal way to use the CD
You want to anticipate high incoming damage and pop it before you get low
chrome falcon
Yeah probably @modern brook but if that comes from the raid the ilvl scaling for the block might be nuts
Hopefully it's not some garbage world drop or quest reward that doesn't scale ilvl
lofty widget
you dont decide which mode the shield is in it just alternates every time you use it
chrome falcon
Uh
modern brook
you dont decide which mode the shield is in it just alternates every time you us...
🤔
chrome falcon
That sounds like you do decide
Because when it's in the mode you like you just don't use it...
tardy sequoia
Originally I would pop SW at the start of the pull but then I’d notice then when it ends I have no cds for the end of it or next pull
lofty widget
yeah but i t's not like you can keep it in dmg mode for an entire dungeon
chrome falcon
Why not
modern brook
yeah but i t's not like you can keep it in dmg mode for an entire dungeon
🤔
watch me
lofty widget
well sure if you only want the thorns effect
modern brook
nothing can stop me
modern brook
well sure if you only want the thorns effect
jokes aside it hugely depends on if theres an icd for the thorns effect
but napkin math has it as a huge dps loss to use it for the single target
even at a more conservative estiamte
shut summit
🤓
modern brook
based on tooltips it looks like it'd be less than 1 event every 3 seconds for it to break even (plz note napkin math is fake and should be taken with all the salt in the world)
sick sentinel
which thorns
modern brook
modern brook
which thorns
mellow bridge
yea it's new this patch
tardy sequoia
Lol aren’t the schools of magic 7+1?
Physical, arcane, frost, fire, holy, shadow, nature and chaos?
shut summit
lol
sick sentinel
do i also have to be 80 reknown and finished the final soul bind quest to have it on all my characters
i did all the NF quests but theres one i have to turn in at tree, assuming its final SB quest, and that ones like 60-70 reknown, and im 49 on this one
can farm rekown in an afternoon torghast
explaining prot warrior to your friends: how they hear it
modern brook
@ionic fern do we know the k value for 9.2
my algebra is no longer that of a young man
modern brook
thats geometry lol
pallid isle
agile pumice
(-b±√(b^2-4ac))/2a
blazing condor
we have a different formula here for what you wrote plk
we were taught this one
modern brook
using p and q is weird
but yeah thats the better one
orw ait no its not
the better one is x^2+Bx+C = (x-R)(x+S)
wait no
i was right the first time
that simplifies into yours
distant crystal
Physical, arcane, frost, fire, holy, shadow, nature and chaos?
there's a ton of multischool "schools" already, cosmic is just a new one
modern brook
Spell schools are a relic tbh
urban portal
Only one that matters is being vulpera for painsmith
modern brook
schools matter a lot for pvp
oh thatstrue i forgot how kicks work
i was thinking purely froma damage intake pov
urban portal
schools matter a lot for pvp
It's only the spell cast right
Like a spell can be chaos but the damage is shadow flame or something
modern brook
Like a spell can be chaos but the damage is shadow flame or something
the only instances i know of is the reverse, where a spell doesnt do damage but has a school still
ie: polymorph
i dont think there are any examples of a spell having a school but doing a different type of damage
urban portal
I don't play pvp so idk
But I thought everything destro has is chaos
So if they kick a shadow flame move you keep blasting with chaos bolts?
mighty valley
idk if it's up to date, but this wiki says that both schools in a multischool spell have to be locked out for the spell to be locked
but if your chaos bolt gets kicked does that lock all of the schools? idk
ok yeah, if a chaos spell is interrupted, all schools are locked - don't know if that's relevant in many places
mellow bridge
It's only the spell cast right
idk, I'm honestly not a big pvp expert/fan lol
modern brook
But I thought everything destro has is chaos
the like layer 1 destro strat is fear spam
becuase its fat CC and baits Kicks to lock you on shadow school
so you can hard cast a chaos bolt
so yes
Layer 1 being "I played destro lock to 1200 and watched 2 whole videos on it so im kind of an expert" 💪
proud niche
block damage reduction is calculated with the k value, but is there a formula for calculating block chance?
strong forum
mastery and shieldblock
proud niche
ok so the shield block value does affect it?
strong forum
no
block value affects how much dmg a block reduces
block chance is just mastery / shield block
strong forum
yup
proud niche
so why is it not worth gearing for mastery then?
dusky mica
Does stat DR still kick in at 30% or did they raise it?
plush tendon
so why is it not worth gearing for mastery then?
with SB we have 100% block chance, mastery just gives chance to critical block and attack power
Haste is more valuable for faster CDs, more rage, more globals etc. and then Vers for def cause it covers our weakness which is damage that cant be blocked
Not to say mastery aint good, in fact for gearing purposes its mostly haste>everything else
modern brook
so why is it not worth gearing for mastery then?
Because Shield Block exists
and effectively nullifies the block chance from mastery as mattering
plush tendon
I mean increases chance to critical block
plush tendon
but at that point, you sort of doubling down on being better against blockable attacks when block is good enough in most cases
strong forum
Does stat DR still kick in at 30% or did they raise it?
why would they raise it?
modern brook
but if we assume a fully geared char picking between secondaries
plush tendon
why would they raise it?
because they learned the error of their ways and are bringing back reforging
strong forum
good one
plush tendon
modern brook
you can opt for mastery and get a slightly higher off cd block chance and more crit blocks, or you can opt for haste and get more of the "you dont take damage for fucking ever" button
then other stuff comes into the equation and it just turns out
plush tendon
yea, assuming equal i level its usually haste>vers>=crit>=mastery for me at least
modern brook
slightly more stuff is better than slightly better stuff 🤷
dusky mica
they raised it a bit post launch, it kicked in at 25 originally, just checking if that's changed again
modern brook
i go haste crit because big number :^)
strong forum
they raised it a bit post launch, it kicked in at 25 originally, just checking i...
not post launch
plush tendon
I like to have a nice distribution on stats other then haste
spread the love around
modern brook
smh BIG
strong forum
at best they changed it very early in beta
modern brook
NUMBER
strong forum
but as far as i remember its always been 30-40-50-60
with absolute maximum at 106%
ultra hardcap
plush tendon
but I also play arms more often now, so I got these crit items now : ^)
dusky mica
nah its 126
strong forum
huh
interesting
i thought it was 106
ah well
not like you can get more than 40% anyway
LOL
so its entirely pointless
dusky mica
I don't know how to query it in the ui
strong forum
theres addons
dusky mica
they're all done from tables, not from direct query, ie they dont know
this is why I'm asking in here
dusky mica
I know all this, I write addons
dusky mica
There's no way in game to tell if a stat is DR'd other than to get too much of it and reverse math it.
dusky mica
parry will tell you on the ui for example
strong forum
just gotta know how much mastery is 30%
dusky mica
haste seems not to
right now it's not a huge deal, but it will be in the next patch I think
strong forum
yeah idk what you want the game to tell you, if youre above 990 haste, youre getting a 10% stat tax, i guess the game should say "you earn 10% less haste per point now" ?
like actually tell you that info i guess
dusky mica
yeah, I'd like to get the info from the game, not sure if it's possible. The math must exist in their ui stuff.
strong forum
wow and tooltips
an ongoing battle
but good point, blizz actually doesnt tell you ingame that the stat tax exists do they
dusky mica
WoD had giga tooltips. They used to update dynamically for everything. Then it all went wrong.
modern brook
There's no way in game to tell if a stat is DR'd other than to get too much of i...
u can just piece wise funcion it
worldly plume
hey everyone, im wanting to get back into warrior, more specifically protection. Main focus in mythic+ was wondering how well prot preforms? thanks!
modern brook
hey everyone, im wanting to get back into warrior, more specifically protection....
well :^)
it requires more dungeon knowledge than other tanks imo
and we dont have cool cooldowns like other tanks
but the spec has no issues with any content well into the high 20s at least
so
dusky mica
Prot Warrior is about the game play at this point. It's not overpowered at anything so you won't see streamers crowing about it.
strong forum
well yes
modern brook
and those points are converted to %
its the same thing as the other stats if u consider the other stats give [stat] points that convert ona 1:1 ratio
strong forum
but people dont magically know how much mastery equated to getting to the hidden "%" value they look for
agile pumice
Wow also doesn't tell you how much % you get from each mastery point
worldly plume
ahh okay, none of the other tanks really excite me lol idk why. thanks for the replies
modern brook
but people dont magically know how much mastery equated to getting to the hidden...
All Dr is done by rating though isnt it?
so 35*30 for everyone?
or am i missing the larger point here
graceful cobalt
wich conduits we used as Tank?
strong forum
All Dr is done by rating though isnt it?
yes but how do you know its 35 without being able to check by equipping and unequipping gear
ykno
modern brook
OH
strong forum
haste crit and vers are static for everyone
modern brook
got it
strong forum
so you know by testing how much increase 66 haste is
modern brook
so the conern is the accuracy of the number
strong forum
ye you wont likely find out that 35*30 is needed to hit the first threshold
dusky mica
can anyone hit 1200 of any stat with their gear? does the UI mention dr at all?
agile pumice
And you wouldn't even know this system was in place at all unless someone told you about it
strong forum
can anyone hit 1200 of any stat with their gear? does the UI mention dr at all?
stat dr is not mentioned ingame
anywhere
strong forum
And you wouldn't even know this system was in place at all unless someone told y...
exactly
dusky mica
my gear only gets me to 1093 haste
modern brook
wich conduits we used as Tank?
P: Covenent>AJ>sof=aaf
E: UF=SG>thegenericone>
F: IP=safegaurd
roughly
strong forum
its possible to reach over 1200 haste yes
agile pumice
can anyone hit 1200 of any stat with their gear? does the UI mention dr at all?
I can get to 11xx haste with HC/252 vault gear
dusky mica
I mean does anyone HERE have that much and is logged in 😛
modern brook
i mean if you limit your sample pool enough you can convince people of anything
fact is its possible to get over 1.2k at current gear level
and it will be easier to do so in 9.2
also no the DR is not mentioned at all w/o addons
which from what im half reading is what we want to avoid comparing it to?
dusky mica
Not really true. Hover over parry. So DR as a thing in their brain does exist in the UI.
modern brook
Sorry i should probably catch up first
agile pumice
Not really true. Hover over parry. So DR as a thing in their brain does exist in...
That's been there for years though right? And stat DR is only from last year
strong forum
yes
dusky mica
Yes. I'm saying they DO talk about DR in their tooltips. Just not on all the stats. Even thought they are DR'd.
modern brook
yeah
strong forum
yes
strong forum
wow and tooltips
^
strong forum
an ongoing battle
^
distant crystal
mitigation DR was their way of trying to make it more linear
dusky mica
Next patch we will be dr'd on haste easily.
modern brook
likely in the first or 2nd bracket no question
distant crystal
stat dr is a lil different motivation
strong forum
they want people to be discouraged and actively pushed away from stacking 1 stat into oblivion
aka vers stacking
aka mastery stacking firemage
but they kinda forgot
that you cant get anywhere near those levels without corruption
modern brook
aka vers stacking
i think it was more to address the fact that BFA Shadow priest was dropping like
40-50 ilvls for haste
and less to do with "Corruption was stupid"
move
distant crystal
40-50 ilvls sounds sus
modern brook
smh
strong forum
they were only good in EP
modern brook
40-50 ilvls sounds sus
yeah thats why it was addressed
distant crystal
I mained shadow for a couple tiers in bfa lol
maybe on like
the worst statted ring
but even that you prob wore the 40 ilvl better one lol
modern brook
the goal was to make 1) ilvl be a stornger indicater of item power and 2) flatten out some of the absurd leaning classes had on various secondaries
strong forum
yogi wasnt all caught up eh? 
distant crystal
sick sentinel
sometimes i scroll up and then decide to go back to game, so it doesn't scroll down with me
dusky mica
BACK TO THE GAME
sick sentinel
because i'll be reading some shit someone said lurking
i already completed my venthyr, what do u mean lol
i got like 54 and 58 RK on both
dusky mica
Doing the Night Fae stuff is cringe. Was hard work.
sick sentinel
thats why i did it as fast as possible
dusky mica
No flying Venth is worse tbh.
sick sentinel
bro, start of the day i was at story 2 NF i was story 9
by like, 3 pm lol
zooooom
mighty valley
Night Fae campaign was the worst one... couldn't pick characters to care about
strong forum
gaming
modern brook
Night Fae campaign was the worst one... couldn't pick characters to care about
I've done the NF campaign 3 times
I still dont know who korayn is
mighty valley
they killed off the character from the night fae intro cinematic and like... barely even registered
dusky mica
Yeah, she turns up at the end. Hi, new soulbind mate, whattup.
modern brook
I also thought dream weaver was uhhh lady moonberry?
i think?
Iunno
Niya a homie though tbh
Niya is a cooler Pellagos
dusky mica
Mushroom god is the only fun guy.
mighty valley
eyyyyyyyyy
mighty valley
nadjia had a strong introduction in the venthyr zone story and then they just dropped her
let me hang out with the cool sword lady who is also the best soulbind
modern brook
have huhhh
you palyed her story
😦
its cringe
and she doesnt stop talking
and i want her to stop
so badly
mighty valley
i haven't finished necrolords, i liked emeni's intro
sick sentinel
unless i do pvp arms/fury i have no idea how i'm going to be able to stomach farming RK for venthyr
modern brook
i haven't finished necrolords, i liked emeni's intro
do u play with sound off?
mighty valley
love a lady who murders her nemeses
sometimes i'm blasting music and turn off dialogue and forget to turn it back on for a long time
so maybe i missed out on her being super chatty
modern brook
for the record
uh oh spagettio was emeni tier when i started it
but then i remembered pellagos existed
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ih7LuhAU7k vid related
mighty valley
pelagos is alright in theory but he's really just constantly like "oh no!! oh geeze!!! eek!!! what if i'm not good!!! eek!!!"
chill out dude
modern brook
i have nothing against palagos as a person i wish him well
but if i dont even wanna hang out with you
why would i bind my soul to you
thats pretty uoso to me tbh
sick sentinel
i can 1000% see my self turbo leveling through NF RK farm
is a good ability, even without the legendary
condemn prot feels awful
sick sentinel
i hate it, didnt do any torgy or raid or m+ as venthyr or nf just the campaign
modern brook
let go of fear, press the irresponsible button
isnt condemn more efficient thatn ip
mighty valley
last i checked it's like ~75% of the damage reduced / rage of IP
sick sentinel
i understood something like, if you do this, you don't have to unlock the story for alts maybe? could have just been wasting my time
mighty valley
i know venthyr is the worst by far yadda yadda yadda
but when i switched to try kyrian, execute feels like a tiny button for babies
and i can't use it on pull? miserable
mighty valley
i understood something like, if you do this, you don't have to unlock the story ...
yes, once you've done the campaign on one character, other characters can unlock all soulbinds without doing the campaign
sick sentinel
cuz at least then i can pick the right conduits, or more conduits
mighty valley
getting conduits on alts is now the worst part of the process
catching up in every other system is pretty easy
sick sentinel
as long as i had filler ones 145 green blue whatever at least of a few of them i wouldn't care
and then just figuring out whch of those are trap
modern brook
catching up in every other system is pretty easy
doms ocks :^(
mighty valley
just leech off your better geared guild ezez
modern brook
just leech off your better geared guild ezez
my main doesnt even have a full upgrade on socks because i joined on their prog
sick sentinel
haven't touched rogue whatsoever yet but plan to give it ago
modern brook
havent done a reclear in 3 months 😦
mighty valley
oofa doofa
on one hand it was cool to have something in raid i wanted after getting max ilvl from m+ almost immediately
but dom socks are way too far
urban portal
isnt condemn more efficient thatn ip
According to wowhead it's around 1/3rd of ip
1.2 ap vs 3.5 ap at the same rage
modern brook
condemn sucks lol
dom sockets suck
IDK if i hate them more than benthic gear or the garbage 8.0 implementation of azerite armor
but dom sockets are not good
and i hope they nver go back to them
brittle owl
dusky mica
I dont mind special gem sockets as long as there are lots of gem choices that could alter game play. The domination set nonsense was just bad design. All the power is from having 3 gems, the gems themselves are 90% shite.
ionic fern
90% useless and 100% boring.
dusky mica
They bring over the shit parts of diablo design and not the good ones.
I'm sure Diablo purists say the same in reverse though.
mighty valley
According to wowhead it's around 1/3rd of ip
according to my tooltips in current gear it's 8311 IP vs. 5699 Condemn
total damage reduced
and condemn refunds 20% of rage spent
modern brook
90% useless and 100% boring.
mwahi
ionic fern
Hi
modern brook
do you know 9.2 k value?
ionic fern
Ugh
modern brook
:^))))
ionic fern
I vaguely remember seeing them somewhere.
modern brook
i was trying to figure out the DR delta on the stance swaping shield
dusky mica
Condemn is useless though
modern brook
between having the block vs having way too much fucking damage from thorns
and i took up 2 note book pages trying to fucking generalize the equation
dusky mica
If they added Sudden Death to prot then maybe it would see some action
modern brook
and im just too old to be doing math like this when i can just do it with real numbers instea
mighty valley
condemn isn't useless by design, venthyr used to have a niche in st damage back in 9.0
then they just went bonkers on soulbind balance
and buffed base execute
urban portal
Dauntless duelist is also really good in a vascum
Just not if you actually play the game
ionic fern
and im just too old to be doing math like this when i can just do it with real n...
I'll check later. I surprisingly got into a key on my druid that has 0 keys done so i'm abusing this chance.
mighty valley
go forth and make that one bear noise a lot
modern brook
I'll check later. I surprisingly got into a key on my druid that has 0 keys done...
respect - #protection message this is the relative start of the discussion if you care to go through it and disprove my shit ideas
spiral mason
Has anyone noticed tier set proccing once then not proccing at all the rest of the dungeon?
ionic fern
Yes.
modern brook
Has anyone noticed tier set proccing once then not proccing at all the rest of t...
its bugged
restart game to fix :^)
spiral mason
figured it was bugged
agile pumice
Inb4 it goes live like that
cinder nova
I mean, it wouldn't be the first.
People immediately thought the 3-set bonuses were overtuned and said so on the PTR
They changed nothing, and tried to walk back the rollout and nerf them, which everyone got shitty about since it was already knee-deep into the WF tier.
agile pumice
Classic blizzard taking the most controversial approach to solving problems
chilly brook
between having the block vs having way too much fucking damage from thorns
I mean thorns>block value
sick sentinel
shield + blade kit + gargoyl stone thing, cursed builds
i dunno what happens if u put on the stone and then activate banner, i assume it just gets removed, i think i tested it once
dreamy wedge
Is the thorns shield good? I’d be too lazy to use the active on CD ima be honest
sick sentinel
scroll up but sems like no
dreamy wedge
Hmm shame. The block chance version will probably be good for Palas though
urban portal
the shield only gives block not block chance
so its technically better on prot wars than palas
mighty valley
block value is pretty great defensively, it's why we value shield upgrades so highly
but it will be hard to give up enormous thorns damage
blazing condor
idk if we have the choice of more defense or more damage most of the time the answer is damage
mighty valley
sorta, we're not all playing all crit + seismic all the time though
but it's all pretty theoretical til tuning + someone smart does maths
blazing condor
im not advocating for full on glass canon damage builds
but just
if you play correctly you shouldnt need "extra" defensives
what you got + the talent choices is enough
lofty widget
100 block is rougly 2 % DR on blockable attacks in m+, seems too minor to give up thorns
mighty valley
it's pure upside though
maybe on some high keys you switch modes for dangerous high physical packs
and spend the rest of the time on thorns
and if not, sick, we got a shield with thorns
blazing condor
yeah for sure its a cool thing
dreamy wedge
When I was trying it on PTR the defense mode upped my block chance not the block value. Have like 6-7%
mighty valley
sounds like a bug, since the tooltip reads block value
dreamy wedge
Could be idk. It’s kinda funny that the way it is now makes it better for Paladins but if they change it it’ll be better for warriors
urban portal
Block chance is rly useless most of the time
chilly brook
Could be idk. It’s kinda funny that the way it is now makes it better for Paladi...
Idk about that
Its pretty good for paladin as well if that's the case
Something something 60+ % block chance on top of being able to block all types of damage
ionic fern
$pb 240005122489319424
true pawnBOT
Done.
sweet summit
ty
runic sparrow
my god the set feels so awful in raid
dreamy wedge
Something something 60+ % block chance on top of being able to block all types o...
Yeah more block chance helps them more relatively speaking than it does us, since they get more benefits and we normally have 100% block chance anyways most of the time
ionic fern
my god the set feels so awful in raid
"my god the set feels so awful in raid everywhere".
Fixed it for you.
runic sparrow
they seriously need to remove the ignore pain part
even if it wasnt so buggy
using 80% of them on ignore pain or delaying half your kit for 3 seconds is just
wtf
ionic fern
100% remove IP or make it passive.
chilly brook
Yeah more block chance helps them more relatively speaking than it does us, sinc...
No I mean having block block more is great for them, just as good for them as it is for us
dreamy wedge
Hell the extra value on IP isn't even useful half the time because of the cap on it; there's plenty of times in M+ where if I'd cast it it would literally not do anything as it is
ionic fern
Were you actively trying to play around it?
E.g use Avatar when you had 0 stacks so not to waste any? Cause that's another level of stupidity.
runic sparrow
nah ended up just completely ignoring it
wasnt working half the time anyways
but apparently fury warriors are happy. they have 100% banner uptime too now
agile pumice
pretty sure thats only with lust in execute
tardy sequoia
Is there any advantages in casting both charges of SB when actively tanking large packs of trash in dungeons?
And then when both charges drop you cast intervene or leap/charge back? (Using Reprisal)
mighty valley
So long as it's not going to overcap on time, or waste duration when you're not being hit, it's fine
You just want to have shield block up when it matters and don't overcap on rage, that's all
tardy sequoia
For large packs I intend for me as a mortal.. 2/3 packs for example first pull in dungeons
ionic fern
But there really aren't any "advantages" to it. You'll chill there and think : "Sh*t i just wasted 60 rage in the beginning of a new pack".
Just get 1 of the charges rolling and don't sit on 2 and you'll be fine.
mighty valley
Yeah if pressing it a second time causes you to miss a cast of revenge, you fucked up
tardy sequoia
Is one cast of revenge that important when not gaining aggro?