i mean we've been saying that for weeks
#protection
modern brook
only reason not to go necro currently in raid is cause u lose reprisal
distant skiff
Poggers
modern brook
and also theres probably a bunch of fights that EM dumpsters it on
now that i think about it
distant skiff
i love banner
jagged pier
well and aoe fights
modern brook
yeah
jagged pier
banner only really works on pure ST
distant skiff
Do we time banner around dps cooldown or just on cd ?
jagged pier
with tier set and rep your gunna loose a lot of value holding onto it
strong forum
The important part is having banner ready for execute
strong forum
Close
You will start slowing down after the 2nd use
I reckon
Yeah it will depend on when you can get LS weaved into it
Either save LS for 3rd banner or use it during your 2nd banner
modern brook
Do we time banner around dps cooldown or just on cd ?
fuck your dps
If you have dps smart enough to take advantage of your banner window
they dont need your banner
whoever gets it gets it
distant skiff
Seems fair
runic sparrow
it's worth it sometimes atm. timing your first one with boomie cooldowns can be net dps gain.
but delaying every banner is yikes
modern brook
it's worth it sometimes atm. timing your first one with boomie cooldowns can be ...
arent boomies ramped by like 10s into the pull anyways
runic sparrow
nah its at 25-30 sec ish
plush tendon
I think the sim wants banner buff at 20 seconds in
runic sparrow
they start doing damage
plush tendon
just tell em to go NF and then theyll get banner π
or give it to the fire mages demo locks
distant skiff
And Necrolords 9.2 is likely to be used in m+ aswell ? Glory+reprisal ?
plush tendon
And Necrolords 9.2 is likely to be used in m+ aswell ? Glory+reprisal ?
probably not a bad pick, but NF and Kyrian still probably pretty good
jagged pier
probs not
plush tendon
think of it this way, need a Necro for your key it wont feel terrible to be Necro now
or get that second necro in a PF
distant skiff
Yea i guess 4pieces + avatar + spear legendary is godtier
plush tendon
I timed a 24 PF yesterday π
modern brook
vut everyones like "HAHA TIME TO GIMMICK THE SLIME
plush tendon
granted, as Arms
modern brook
like bro its a fucking 15
plush tendon
but still
modern brook
just hold w
plush tendon
yea, in a 15 doesnt matter
specifically for push keys, having the slime haste buff is huge
modern brook
i had a tank pull everything 1 pack at a time and gimmick the slime cause "its faster"
plush tendon
granted, no need to kill it on the boss, just kill it where it is and bring it with you
modern brook
JUST PULL π
plush tendon
Also, Spell Reflect first boss is stonks
modern brook
oh?
plush tendon
the plaguestomp
modern brook
I have to get back on my spell reflect degeneracy
plush tendon
can be reflected back
modern brook
SR on 3rd boss SD is so spicy bro
modern brook
can be reflected back
real refelct? damn
brittle owl
no
plush tendon
real refelct? damn
its huge; 2k DPS in a 24 Fort
brittle owl
just dam 
distant skiff
isn't it a deflect ?
modern brook
just dam <:yep:703420923625078804>
imagine knocking the boss back lmao
plush tendon
Globgrob is reflect; you still take the physical stomp hit, but you reflect the dot
and you have to charge back
but the dot is what trucks
distant skiff
and you have to charge back
reprisal pog
plush tendon
and you have reflect for every stomp
plush tendon
reprisal pog
Yea, charging back good
but if you aint spell reflecting plague stomp first boss in PF..... do it
distant skiff
anyone is degenerate like me and still use Heroic Leap between pull and missing it for reprisal proc ?
i'm new to tanking but god i feel good to jump and charge everywhere
- being a turbochad facetank
modern brook
heroic stomp?
distant skiff
nah the baseline spell that just jump. I'm using it to quickly moving from pack to pack
but i think it's a bad habit
modern brook
with reprisal probably
strong forum
Moving quickly from pack to pack is only beneficial when the rest of the group can catch up
Usually there's no reason to rush from pack to pack ASAP
sick sentinel
was 8/10 keys last night was going to get 2 done for 10 and do torgy whatever
nobody but ragnaros players applying or joining that are even worth while, dk and rogue dies a bunch to mystery damage, and almost to ring part of SD, dk dc's
drop group hearth immediately log off
the fucking 227 hunter i invited out dps'd a 242 rogue and 230somethingdk >.>
runic creek
Mentally preparing for the affixes next week, for necrotic do I just use scale on pull? Or do I save it for high stacks
modern brook
use aegis instead
if you have to use scale use it on pull its shield is reduced by necrotic
sick sentinel
wait are we necrotic rn
haven't even gone to vault
lol versa but its 1000x better than versa mast
runic creek
I don't have aegis yet :(
I've only been doing 20s, I haven't even bothered with raid in a while
plush tendon
yea, inspire quaking
inspire can be annoying, but its Tyran so not nearly as bad
so, good push week
π
sick sentinel
if its necrotic wake im literally just not playing wow at all this week most likely
do a completion at most
quaking not so bad
plush tendon
necrotic got nerfed
sick sentinel
this will be first time we see it since it got nerfed right
sick sentinel
people dying it grevious wounds and nothing else in my pug, dk first death grevious due to trap
plush tendon
And only every other hit from bosses applies it, right?
yea, but bosses and necrotic is lols
sick sentinel
and then far as i can tell nothing but greivous death
plush tendon
Its a player skill problem then
Greivous didnt feel so bad last week
but Spiteful is such a time lost; still awesome in SD for big urns
sick sentinel
dk died to thrust immediately after first death.... nobody gettin hit by melee, dk gets hit with melee once
wracking soul and hungering drain is where it says they were taking damage
only 2 hits with melee and they were both ghosts >.>
modern brook
are you controlling your thrust placements?
sick sentinel
is that a simple points in tanks direction?
modern brook
the current cast is directly at you
and it echos every location you've been in
so you side step and then restack where u just were
and they all go on the same spot
gets kinda π¬ with traps
but you should have like a 180 degree arc where you can put them sfely without endangering you or your group
jagged pier
thats why u just stack it down the wall
modern brook
^
honestly 99/100 your dk is a neanderthal whos never seen a keyboard in his life
But its still your job to keep it clean so you can call him a neanderthal
sick sentinel
i saw 1 thrust that was badly pointed at group but it feels like those things just go everywhere
so, this instead? this was the pack that got rogue, even still it feels like a personal responsibility thing, and so in TBC if you couldn't learn to side step the boss as rogue, you'd not get invite back :S just clearly some bigger picture i'm not grasping
mellow bridge
necrotic sanguine on the 30th, yea
you control where the thrusts go yogi
if they are going everywhere, it's because you pointed them everywhere
you can keep them incredibly stacked
point at wall, sidestep thrust, move back to same position, sidestep, move back again etc
sick sentinel
i wish i could stream it here since relevant people could see it
really tempted to just stream my next key try to figure out whats going wrong, video don't work i think, type talking about it seems to take a long time
maybe should i learn to play as something complete opposite of tank, some kind of dps or try healer for fresh perspective that i'm not seeing?
distant crystal
and you also create a perfect little suicide station for melee that decide to stand in the stacked frontal
leaving the rest of the area safe
sullen tangle
whats everyones take on the prot warrior set bonus?
blazing condor
Its boring asf
But good for us sure whatever
But mega sleep
Wake me up when wow is worth playing again
modern brook
Ring ring
sick sentinel
Wake me up when wow is worth playing again
it's all a dream take teh blue pill come live with us in copium land, warrior is fine and wow is doing great π
blazing condor
2 yil
strong forum
Late hit 13.8k this week
distant crystal
Kungen hit 13.9K last week
jagged pier
π€
blazing condor
He tanks all
jagged pier
that man couldnt even do damage in 9.0
jagged pier
he couldnt do that ither
sick sentinel
what if we were wrong about necro and it turns out to be siesmic reverb + glory
modern brook
what if we were wrong about necro and it turns out to be siesmic reverb + glory
A conduit is going to need to out damage an entire ability for that to be possible
chilly brook
For m+ you're gonna want to play Kyrian or NF in 9.2
Definitely not necro
At least in m+
Maybe necro with a coordinated group and you're funneling to specific people on their specific CD windows but even then
Way too much effort for probably not even close to as much payoff as Kyrian
In raid I could easily see glory+rep
strong forum
Uhm
strong forum
Kinky
modern brook
the joke is that I'd even consider raid tanking lol
strong forum
Will you come to my glory wall
modern brook
i feel like it doesnt count as a glory wall if we know who owns it
like dang really wonder whos on the other side of Nomeratur β’οΈ 's glory wall
somber sky
Will you come to my glory wall
yes
strong forum
somber sky
chilly brook
julor said it and i believe him and then i dont have to play reprisal
I mean I guess it'd be nice for the consistent rage generation buuuutttt
Pretty sure charge weaving with rep is more rage
Which means longer banner
modern brook
ionic fern
ΛReally easy guys.
How many SS's do you fit into a Charge CD?
chilly brook
That's assuming that the shield slam buff applies to rage generation though
modern brook
u cant trick me matt
chilly brook
Because set bonus doesn't do anything rage generation wise
modern brook
My glory wall will be impenetrable
chilly brook
My glory wall will be impenetrable
I'll penetrate your glory wall
sick sentinel
spires 13
first boss, first overhead, KNOW i have to block it, don't, die, major fuck ups, still time 10 seconds
SB now on button 3 for experiments
modern brook
With my sinful surge
bro imagine if sinful surge extended the part of last stand we cared bout
that would be honestly so pog
chilly brook
bro imagine if sinful surge extended the part of last stand we cared bout
Honestly just imagine if condemn could cleave
sick sentinel
you know what i actually got hit with the chains LOS pulls trash today top of stairs 3rd boss
modern brook
Honestly just imagine if condemn could cleave
just activate sweeping strikes 4head
:pepesad:
sick sentinel
can't recall a time that its ever happened since i learned how
chilly brook
you know what i actually got hit with the chains LOS pulls trash today top of st...
Taunt/heroic throw and LOS
modern brook
what chains
sick sentinel
yeah, i just fucked it up this one time
chilly brook
I'm assuming he means he got gripped
modern brook
what grip
sick sentinel
yeah, just bad LOS
chilly brook
By soggy balls
sick sentinel
never ever get hit with double whammy there but this time some reason
paladin was super glad to leave at end i think, left fast, warlock said "you nailed it gunna have to show our tank these moves"
i wish i could advise him against it
imma make a guild and call it never scale afe
jagged pier
we dont want ither of those trinkets tho
inland raft
Aegis ows gang
sick sentinel
i got KSM on my mind, still aint on that yet
jagged pier
i no world do u need those trinkets to get KSM
jagged pier
yogi please stop u link your trinkets like once a week they are fine
just go do the content
sick sentinel
the raid?
jagged pier
no just go to 15s
sick sentinel
going for it
unkempt palm
anyone is degenerate like me and still use Heroic Leap between pull and missing ...
You can heroic leap to a mob and have a mob selected and charge mid air and get your reprisal
The animation looks funny but it works
soft agate
is into the fray decent compared to ravager in m+?
strong forum
It's worse but playable
sick sentinel
itf in keys should be illegal but its not
the problem with it is you lose a ton of aoe dps
dark lark
I wouldn't say it's a ton
It's good for initial snap agro on pull but it's up for like 8 seconds on a 45 second CD
Whereas ITF is up the entire time you're in combat
strong forum
That's a poor argument
dark lark
Rav is def better but I've definitely pushed keys with ITF on accident post raid just fine
strong forum
Ravager provides more dmg and more rage than rav can
In aoe
In pure ST, yes itf wins for dmg there
dark lark
Nobody is disputing that, but it's not a TON
strong forum
But for m+ rav just wins in all categories besides maybeeeeeeeeee ultra high tyra bosses
Ya not a ton
But it's noticable
To not have ravager up for every pull
And be able to spam revenges because of it
safe thistle
i play witn booming voice just cause im lazy but BSC sure does more dmg overall
any youtube on the warrior prot set theorycrafting yet ?
signal plover
But for m+ rav just wins in all categories besides *maybeeeeeeeeee* ultra high t...
You win in the "cutest" category
mighty valley
uwu wavagew π₯Ί
sick sentinel
oh nice i picked up the haste/crit shield from some dungeon i did, so now i got another parry set piece
sick sentinel
i still never cast SW ever, because i'm never certain when a good time to is
so i end up holding it way too long. with AM
mighty valley
Might as well just press it on cooldown if you're really unsure
But start of big tough packs or during tankbusters are the general places to do it
sick sentinel
so, and if there is a bunch of attacks that hit for 3k 5k 7k, and then theres one that hits for, 35k, it's always going to hit for more in keys yeah so i should maybe try to learn those spells and use it then for sure?
mighty valley
Just... when am I gonna be taking a lot of total damage in the next eight seconds
sick sentinel
cuz i know they all scale up with 15's and more, some like the green guy in TOP you can't avoid his aoe dmg, but it hits like a truck,
so, at what point is it better to just stand out rather than stand in and defensive
so, its going to be for an unavoidable attack, probably melee one? those seem harder to avoid
mighty valley
Perfect example is the second big pack in DOS
You can control a lot of that damage but you're not going to catch everything, so SW while it gets under control
sick sentinel
my goal on that pack every time is charge>SS>interupt purple guy first spell, Ip reflect stuns whatever, run out, get heal then finish it
mighty valley
You can stay in and do more damage if you do all that but also shield wall
sick sentinel
so like, what are we trying to wall on that pack, and why
and how can i apply it to other things
mighty valley
It's just overall a high damage pack - the bone guys have an ability that trucks you, in addition to the Shadowcore casts that your pugs probably won't interrupt all of
Think about tankbuster moves from bosses too, like the dot from the last boss of HoA
Also anything that does high group wide damage, so your healer can stop caring about you and keep everyone else alive - thinking the Rage cast from the big trolls in DOS
sick sentinel
i try to stay as far as humanly possible away from HOA, i used to hate plague fall, but now i hate that place
from trash and design point really bad
sick sentinel
no, i hate that place, there is just so much trash
mighty valley
I love that you're basically done with trash before the first boss
sick sentinel
whoever populated that dungeon WAY to many mobs
and not enough inside area, god, already getting flash forwards to next week necrotic
ocean yoke
Alright seismic is crack this is gonna be hard to give up
sick sentinel
having a full crit haste set with Srev would have be so nice last week for keys, SD
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RiCoISn5fg this is run i was mentioning, 2chest on 13 PF with glory necro IV (clown noise is turned off now)
dusky mica
halls is only bad because the casters don't get spell locked on kick, if they didn't just chain cast everything it would be tolerable
mighty valley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RiCoISn5fg this is run i was mentioning, 2chest...
Video private
modern brook
bro warrior gaer is pog
sick sentinel
You actually have bracers, I only just got some bracers this week and they were good haste versa socket 249
I think the video is set to unlisted now and its not what I'd call good play, rogue pumped some reason
inland raft
Should do the slimes all at once and pop defensives, not just from time perspective but also dps will actually pop cds and kill the whole pack faster then they killed each smaller pull
sick sentinel
Was a bursting week and pug is my perspective, not to mention its drat is route to pull 10 and then 10 again every week
This was from Nov 13th, slimes is least of sins I'd say
inland raft
Ya just saw that right off, back when i used to do keys id do that pull even at higher levels though bursting isnt really an issue if it all applies at once, only if it gets staggered
Immunes/dispels/cds
sick sentinel
I still might have the macro I used to spam at group in bfa cuz 4 +stacks of bursting could be wipe for any group, pug especially, learned to wait, still haven't fully learned it can't be removed
inland raft
Bursting now is a non affix so long as dont roll it for most part even for most pugs
Other than that though main things i saw just from watching random tidbits if the run so not whole thing is just mainly positioning and use if cds, but big one is shield slam sitting off cd for pretty long periods of time sometimes
mighty valley
Throw Ravager before you charge in
Basically a free GCD
You forget to use intervene for really long stretches
Try turning your camera sometimes to look at important things, like knowing how far away the globgrog slimes are
You just walk up to packs a lot... why not open with charge
inland raft
Rav into a charge ss is a lot of rage to generate threat and get damage engine rolling
Rav takes a gcd to actually start ticking so always first
fathom meteor
hey fellas quick question, was told never to hit thunderclap and to spam devastate? am proper new to prot
mental scarab
We dont use devastate and we spam all our dmg abiltys 
SS prio dho
And in execute phase you tell the healer to focus and just dump all the rage on execute 
ocean yoke
@fathom meteor generally you run devastator now so no need to worry about devastate. you still press clap for the rage gen and bit of aoe but its less prioritized than things like shield slam
fathom meteor
okay thanks π
ocean yoke
np, its a very fun spec to play and just takes a sec to get used to
mighty valley
who on earth told you that
fathom meteor
some dude in my raid that was blowing up about the tier set bonus because apparently prots never hit clap anymore
mighty valley
it's not BFA clap any more and we'll almost always use the procs on shield slam but devastator is good now, so
ocean yoke
sounds like a classic overreaction to old talent changes from someone who doesnt play the spec tbh
certainly still hit it, its just not the free ticket to fat deeps it was
strong forum
And the SS reset chance
jagged pier
well simmings not gunna help just going to show u whats more damage which will be crit
just go for the 2 with the cimbined highest haste
chilly brook
some dude in my raid that was blowing up about the tier set bonus because appare...
Thunderclap is kinda like the button you hit when everything else is on CD and you're trying to generate rage
chilly brook
There are better buttons to push like shield slam, or a free revenge proc, or revenge or execute if you need to spend rage
But it's still a valuable button to press
jagged pier
jagged pier
yer but
chilly brook
The avatar bonus is nice
chilly brook
And the huge shield slam crits are gonna be juicy
chilly brook
it was we SS everytime we block
Calm down DK
urban portal
its ok
ocean yoke
now that would be fucking phat jakey
jagged pier
I know paladin dont block everything but they gunna get a lot of judgements
ionic fern
We gotta get @sullen valve to implement the tier set in WoWAnalyzer in the way that "If you press literally anything other than SS when you got Outburst proc you failed as a prot warrior".
jagged pier
basically infite holy power
jagged pier
We gotta get <@!177194644994654208> to implement the tier set in WoWAnalyzer in ...
TRUE
chilly brook
basically infite holy power
They're probably gonna get hit with an ICD
The blood set has one
chilly brook
Yes but their block is considerably worse than ours in fairness
chilly brook
No I mean from a mitigation perspective
sullen valve
We gotta get <@!177194644994654208> to implement the tier set in WoWAnalyzer in ...
I can do that uwu
i just need logs to test on... so if you provide me yours it should be pretty good
ocean yoke
flat block is pretty nutty
chilly brook
Their block is only ever going to be the 30-40% dr
Or w/e the k value is now
Ours is that and more
Cuz crit block
Not even just because we get to control it and have high uptime on 100% block chance
Still from a damage/overall gain perspective prot pally is definitely the winner for tier set at least in multi target
Probably won't be nearly as good in single target
ionic fern
Don't judgments also provide them holy power? (I don't play paladin. π¦ )
urban portal
yes it does
chilly brook
Yes
urban portal
thats why its infinite holy power
also im looking at a 27 log (same affix), a prot pal is only taking on average 10% more damage per hit than prot warrior
ionic fern
NO WAY - could it be because their mitigation lies elsewhere?
ionic fern
π
chilly brook
10% more per hit adds up quick tbh
ionic fern
I know that @wooden radish has even done some math regarding various tank DR's..and the "paladin taking SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much more damage" doesn't hold up.
ionic fern
The reason you play paladin : "Avenger Shield is fun"
The reason you play warrior : "I like the boink sound my shield makes"
ionic fern
ionic fern
I'm easy 1.5k on my MW btw @sullen valve . It has nothing to do with Jakey carrying it in +15's tho.
jagged pier
you dont need me to carry u your a big 2.3k player now
ionic fern
"big".
Meanwhile your average 2.3k DPS'er does less DPS than a good tank and stands in everything they can.
jagged pier
sullen valve
Jakey is nothing compared to the BIG mw
IF you were any other healer jakey would be hard carrying
ionic fern
Jeah, all his damage is coming from my 5% monk buff.
jagged pier
true actually
brittle owl
"big".
Meanwhile your average 2.3k DPS'er does less DPS than a good tank and sta...
that's called healer QA
urban portal
10% more per hit adds up quick tbh
It's around 600 a hit
And they have self healing from wog
Which more than makes up
And being able to block magic damage makes them better at rougher pulls
BTW my data is from sang 27 on bursting week
ionic fern
Ok? π
ionic fern
blazing condor
Vampire build
mellow gorge
DH prot
wooden radish
I know that <@!222898004598849536> has even done some math regarding various tan...
Hi 
ionic fern
jagged pier
wooden radish
<:catman:769917539835969587>
Hello friend. Whatβs new in skyhold?
ionic fern
Nothing. π¦
echo canyon
is leech good on prot warrior?
lofty widget
it's not bad, but dont sac ilvl for it
echo canyon
i pref dmg reduction idk..
wooden radish
Cuz crit block
you may have crit block but:
-you don't gear mastery
-paladin does gear mastery
-paladin has a higher block chance than you have crit block chance
paladin should have 65-70 passive block chance next tier
its going to be fucking disgusting
floral solar
Question is will it have all the modifiers like help/harm/nodead stuff baked it or is it back go macros for that?
teal swift
@sullen valve xoxo
inland raft
Question is will it have enough functionality so that my wog can only cast on myself unless i mouseover party frames when im playing pally
sick sentinel
Question is will it have all the modifiers like help/harm/nodead stuff baked it ...
so, its extremely basic right now for the mouseover part, the main focus seems to be here whatever the click part is, they added way more shit into that one and listed it first
and it would affect me as i have the g600 from logitech if i decide i want an extra 20 buttons, but as of current they are not programmable in default ui
distant crystal
but will it let me bind mouseovers to mouse buttons
can't even do that functionally with macros rn
tender tulip
is there any point you want to stop prioritising haste as prot and go for verse? or do you just stack haste until the cows come home?
sick sentinel
fucking versa man, i don't have it on me but there is is a simpsons lisa on the bus "don't make me tap the sign" "it's not your versa" image somewhere here
tender tulip
hmm, ok thanks π
sick sentinel
but, you only gain 90% through stats, after 30% haste, and 20% from stats after 40% haste, and 40% haste is about where most of us quit chasing haste
thats 1050 and 1210 ish raw stat
tender tulip
sat at 33% haste atm without any stacks of old warrior soul
1098 raw stat, so i think in combat should be about the right amount with the stacks. but only 13% versa
sick sentinel
i need more crit and less vers, 13% versa bleh
inland raft
Ilvl above all, haste if same ilvl, difference between stats is extremely minimal
Stats are never the issue
tender tulip
that was mostly my understanding yeah, but wondering what i should gem
sick sentinel
the 233 haste crit shield i have in bag out hastes my 242 mastery haste one already >.> so soon as its 242 is unless i want to do more necrolordboy shit, 750 valor is 5 minutes away practically (when talking about normal items i'll always try to phrase them like that, whatever the biggest stat is first, i.e. last bulwark Haste Mastery)
lofty widget
gem haste unless youre very very close to 40 % already
sick sentinel
if we frond, afe, ows or worthy (trinkets that give haste stat) and it goes above 40%, are we then incurring 20% loss while trinket is active
lime urchin
I wish I played at a level where stats matter π¦
inland raft
Heres the secret, they never do, you can do 30s with whatever stats you have in your highest ilvl gear if you play right, sure some stats make things smoother to play but they are not the reason for success or failure
lofty widget
if we frond, afe, ows or worthy (trinkets that give haste stat) and it goes abov...
yes, however the tax isnt incurred with % buffs like itf
sick sentinel
its not, much but its a start, been trying to record what im able to save for anybody that's been following along feel free to leave comment (like and subscribe and ring the bell buy my merch!! JK) with time stamps where problems arise
hasty cedar
Anyone have any hint to the eye mythic fight, is the brutal vitality conduit good in this fight ?
sick sentinel
i'm still not certain than BV will ever be good in shadowlands
modern brook
Vitality will be good when ip is good π€·
sick sentinel
you'd have to have some giga mastery versa build to make IP build work, this is madman territory
50% absorb = 100% never happening
ip is just innately worse because its 50% that 2 set could have addendum: "if IP is active while this is triggered, add 1 second to IP", because it seems like the 2 set stack to 8 part does actual nothing at all and just waits for 8 stacks
hasty cedar
I think because in the eye IP is our main mitigation, right ?
We barely don't use SB
sick sentinel
before or right before i met you guys, some healer in waycrest manor told me "do you never hit IP???" or something to that effect (9.0) stuck with me, since this was the first time playing wow in like, 5 years
so, i figured, he must be right
modern brook
I think because in the eye IP is our main mitigation, right ?
your main mitigation is cooldowns against it tbh
sick sentinel
one thing i will say is you are beefy AF when you do necro bubble, can't be cc'd and 20% red, garunteed 40% hp bubble if u channel
modern brook
like yeah you'll spam more IP than ususal since you cant block it but that doesnt make vitality worth while
ultimately the major thing you need to do is have cooldowns for deathlink available
jagged pier
yes its our only mitigation, says me with 10 casts of IP on the eye
sullen valve
@teal swift xoxoxo
modern brook
jakey cheats tho
sick sentinel
that must be some mighty strong dps to only need 10 ip's
boss die very fast must be part of strategy
chilly brook
yes its our only mitigation, says me with 10 casts of IP on the eye
I suck
modern brook
ur break made u a coward π¦
lime urchin
I cast ip a lot to
hah, well I am here to rescue you with this amazing macro
#showtooltip ignore pain /cast revenge
hasty cedar
Good, I will use it a lot now
jagged pier
that must be some mighty strong dps to only need 10 ip's
no as we keep saying IP really doesnt do much at all
chilly brook
#showtooltip ignore pain /cast revenge
lime urchin
\o/
chilly brook
What a Chad move
chilly brook
that must be some mighty strong dps to only need 10 ip's
IP is kinda just there tbh
hasty cedar
The demo shout and SW as much as possible ?
I think the eye has too many taunt swap than I have CDs
I use aegis too
chilly brook
The eye doesn't really have any blockable damage
Outside of the Kyrian add
Just tank and let your healers heal you
You honestly don't take much damage outside of the actual tank buster hit from the eye
Which you have SR for every time
hasty cedar
SR works on deathlink ?
jagged pier
well aegis is aweful on all fights but slyv
and deathlink is phyiscal literally your base armour is enough
patent osprey
tanked slyv for the first time yesterday ^.^ aegis is indeed nutty
jagged pier
aegis works on lots of concistant hits like heartseeker or the dots on slyv but most bosses melees to slow to make aegis useful
hasty cedar
and deathlink is phyiscal literally your base armour is enough
Really ? Never try this
jagged pier
theres also only like 4 deathlink casts so u can use an IP before hand
hasty cedar
Good
mellow bridge
deathlink is super ez to deal with
you have demo for every single one
demo + 1 IP = 0 dmg
hasty cedar
One more think aegis absorb the damage on intermission phase ?
strong forum
Alot of casts for a 14, but the ratio of IP vs indom is normal
lime urchin
uptime for what?
sick sentinel
IP maximum up time
lime urchin
why
sick sentinel
goal being to only use IP whenever its at less than like 3 seconds remaing, if theres damage
lime urchin
I think you are overcomplicating
modern brook
Tracking ip is a legion thinf
Just send it when ur going to rage cap from a Cd or shield slam and block isn't useful
strong forum
I never track uptime on IP
sick sentinel
if i can figure out how to know when and what to wall globally will help alot too, this bar is to prevent over casts, not so i can keep the buff going nessecarily, some times gets eaten quickly
inland raft
Ya i have a weakaura that shows the absorb/time left but itβs unnecessary just a throwback to older days
Its totally pointless nowadays
blazing condor
π€·ββοΈ i dont see why not
its like a small ass box amongst the other small boxes
wild sandal
is BV/UF more vialble than ravger built with the un cap changes
mellow bridge
nope
in fact the only thing that got buffed with those changes was ravager in the first place
so it's even better now
wild sandal
alright thanks for the info
strong forum
We didn't get any changes besides ravager getting stronger with the "uncapping" TC was always "uncapped"
vocal geode
upgrade soulrender shoulders to sylvanas shoulders then upgrade worm smasher to 246 or replace worm smasher with 252
taking sylvanas shoulders 
wild hemlock
goal being to only use IP whenever its at less than like 3 seconds remaing, if t...
just do it when rage capped
wild hemlock
if i can figure out how to know when and what to wall globally will help alot to...
yogi are you NA? im an experienced warrior tank with an ele shaman main. I will dps some keys with you to give you pointers
sick sentinel
i am on a52 na
wild hemlock
would you like help
sick sentinel
could try it some time
wild hemlock
Please just say yes and we will get you ironed out in no time. your stories about failed keys are starting to pain me
sick sentinel
well, the one i got currently is 13 PF, and i doubt you'd be interested in it since your probably doing like 20s
if you'd like to, i'm interested
wild hemlock
i got a 15 on my shaman we can do
if you are able to dps i can also tank so you can see a different perspective
i wil lbe on later tonight. shoot me a dm on here
wild hemlock
remind me what RDM is lol
mellow gorge
reactive defence matrix
mellow gorge
since i found it really handy when i take alot of frequent dmg
wild hemlock
but i just run that on low keys
sick sentinel
thats a huge bridge to 40% haste that AFE
wild hemlock
hiher keys i would for sure take defensive option
mellow gorge
i want OWS but i need to do raiding and stuff π¦
sick sentinel
and its great cuz it just puts down a blot and you either get the haste or not
wild hemlock
9.2 im gonna use natures fury with OPC and phial for fun 15w lmao sooooo pumped for deeps
wild hemlock
i mean i will too but we can switch whenever
itll be super fun on like mist fortified and shit
ancient aftershock just blastin
wild hemlock
ah ive always been nf on my prot
wild hemlock
i just think necro will be really fun boosting banner and then getting fleshcraft
mellow gorge
ye
i might handle losing spear
in favor of banner better w reprisal
but atm spear is just too good for me
then again EM and seisemic is big dmg
wild hemlock
yeah seismec/natures fury will be fun also
real excited for prot with 9.2
so many very viable options to have fun with
we can go 3/4 covenants for m+ itll be a blast
shrewd steeple
Hi Tank fellows, currently i am running 23%haste and 12% Versa should i go more on hoste so i get to 30% or more focus on versa (Currently doing 22+ keys )
jagged pier
haste
strong forum
Fast
ionic fern
No, i am speed.
You don't have to worry about increasing your mitigation up-time with haste if you can just run away from the enemies.
Leaper gang rise up.
karmic plinth
distant crystal
haste should give movespeed change my mind
if it can make my hands attack faster it can make my feet move faster!
strong forum
Fast
brittle owl
No, i am speed.
brittle owl
why stigma haste?
strong forum
The government
strong forum
modern brook
whos steve jobs
strong forum
Ligma balls
jagged pier
i want to stigma
strong forum
Sigma grindset
jagged pier
stigma mah balls in your mouth
chilly brook
@jagged pier have you seen that new anime Mind Goblin?
jagged pier
i am not an anime enjoyer so no
sick sentinel
why leech
mellow gorge
Why not leech?
sick sentinel
is it stonks healing
sick sentinel
oh, i have none
strong forum
i am not an anime enjoyer so no
Mind goblin on this dick
jagged pier
Mind goblin on this dick
please
strong forum
π³
sick sentinel
if i like to steal life on attack i go play d2r tbh
mellow gorge
d2r?
sturdy sable
Diablo 2
mellow gorge
Ah
chilly brook
i am not an anime enjoyer so no
Mind goblin deez nutz
jagged pier
Mind goblin deez nutz
please
modern brook
I see Nom stole my thunder while I was working
Working dis dick
sweet kayak
So Merciless Bonegrinder works only 5 sec for prot but 9 sec for arms? π
sick sentinel
i thought spell reflect was supposed to be only the first bolt-ish spell or debuff that hits you some guy here did 2 million reflect in spires
distant crystal
it can do multiple if they're sync'd up
ionic fern
If you sync the worms cast it reflects it all.
ionic fern
So Merciless Bonegrinder works only 5 sec for prot but 9 sec for arms? π
Roughly 6-7 jep.
sick sentinel
"sketch key" priest barely timed +12 spires RN
sweet kayak
i thought spell reflect was supposed to be only the first bolt-ish spell or debu...
Shock wave birds then SR, also @ third boss you can spell reflect Stomp each time SR is up (Go near a player to trigger it then when he cast it go away so you wont harm anyone)
echo canyon
how much haste is good/ enough for prot warrior
i have tons of rings and dont know what is best right know
strong forum
Ya I had the same idea
mellow bridge
i always wanted to be a taller than a building mecha
sweet kayak
π€£
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
how can you not say this is cool as fucking shit
sick sentinel
when ur 8 years old yeah
better than most kids shows today too
you guys didn't watch power rangers?
sweet kayak
Dude I watched them in 1993
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQKDM13Il1s i got this game for a birthday or christmas or something
boy oh boy let me tell you about dissapointment and let down
steel mist
like keep the face hidden and have glowy eyes
sick sentinel
id mog it
strong forum
its a scuffed primal elite glad set
sick sentinel
rip
modern brook
hey dad i missed the bus
waxen orbit
DUDE THAT WAS LITERALLY THE SAME JOKE CONCEPT I SENT TO ANOTHER SERVER
modern brook
π§
waxen orbit
modern brook
honestly that helm would be sick af ithey black it out
waxen orbit
Yeah like the Trial of Valor helmet
modern brook
yah
sick sentinel
fathom meteor
how can you not say this is cool as fucking shit
it's dope
somber sky
gonna save this as a screenshot
waxen orbit
gonna save this as a screenshot <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
Go for it chief.
keen fiber
whatre the best soulbinds for ea covenant for protection?
is there a resource showing that as well as ideal pathing
waxen orbit
whatre the best soulbinds for ea covenant for protection?
Night Fae:
β’ Single Target: Niya
β’ Multi-Target situations like M+: Korayn
Kyrian:
β’ Single Target: Mikanikos
β’ Multi-Target situations like M+: Mikanikos
Necrolord:
β’ Single Target: Heirmir or Marileth
β’ Multi-Target situations like M+: Any of the three (to my knowledge)
keen fiber
ty
analog burrow
Kyr also has the self cleanse with pot. This effect can have powerful plays in dungeons
waxen orbit
Kyrian is the best option for raw damage output and survivability beyond a doubt. Night Fae is a close competitor, though.
Necrolord is support oriented and definitely has its points of strength, too.
Meanwhile, Venthyr
urban portal
I love getting 1/3rd of an ignore pain per cast of execute
uneven river
I feel flesh craft makes Necro way more survive than kyrian maybe that's just me
It's nice to have another 2 min cd so you can pull agressively
waxen orbit
Def just you chief
Itβs nice but at high key register itβs negligible if you have either Scale or Aegis
uneven river
How high we talking
uneven river
Yeh that's true
sick sentinel
lets not forget to add that during necro bubble channel you take 20% less damage, and don't take CC, it's 40% of your max HP garunteed, and with abomb soulbind you can use it while moving and jumping which means while going to a new pack in m+
uneven river
I use it for the 20 % on tyran bosses mainly
Flesh craft us just a nice absorb to pair with ignore and shield for more overall tankyness
sick sentinel
mini magic SW, 40% for 6 seconds
uneven river
I perform better as Necro than I do as kyrian but it's probably just covering a weakness in my play tbh. Not doing much above 22-23 at the moment.
sick sentinel
i dunno what for sure goes well with the mastery buff besides warlock, fire mage, probably rogues, shaman maybe? dh? as for healers i'd guess resto druid for sure, and probably disc priest or monk
uneven river
I run with a disc priest and a dh works well for them
urban portal
Monk and disc priest isn't so hot with mastery either
Basically no healer wants mastery in m+ because it doesn't help with damage
sick sentinel
well, shaman i dunno, paladin is crit, i know disc priest is some haste, holy priest is just weird but can be incredible strong healer
sick sentinel
oh, they don't do the thing where you fish for low/free casted heals?
spam 1.5 second heal over and over till you get a free,
sick sentinel
i really enjoy flesh craft while moving, not that it ever hurts to not
just, yeah is such huge nice QOL
urban portal
Someone needs to confirm if you can block during flesh tho
chilly brook
Necrolord is support oriented and definitely has its points of strength, too.
Idk dude the execute damage from necro is funny af
sick sentinel
how is this not some how busted for tank
set up something where you take 85% fall damage on purpose and then you have a huge bubble,
sick sentinel
that legs thing stacks with versa too
chilly brook
how is this not some how busted for tank
Because what situations do you actually have reliable fall damage when you'd want a DR
sick sentinel
i mean, there are tons of geomtry points you could totally make it happen, AD jump off a ledge or something to get to rezan example, there is also the belt attachment that gives you the giga move buff, (like 400% i think), or can send you into air where you take fall damage if you can't leap/charge, makes it so that failure on the belt attachment is perhaps not a fail, you could use it before boss in hopes it may happen, DOS final i think may work
dealer
urban portal
That's barely any fall damage
And it's not a net HP up
Because you lost the HP in the fall
sick sentinel
if you get fall damage and get the bubble and then are healed, do you keep the buff as a buffer?
urban portal
Yeah yo ydi but why not just not take the fall in the first place
sick sentinel
someone in comments says it has no CD and is triggered by lava, it just simply resets to 30s duration
sick sentinel
i legit never leveled a NF or venth
i was going necro for mage but the damage was atrociously bad
i got 60 mage 50 monk priest dk hunter paladin i could level
waxen orbit
Okay but how low was the DPS in that group that you pulled off a 27 cast execute phase 
waxen orbit
<:seanbee:836829660016803860> <:ratge:890357732543168594>
RIP
chilly brook
Okay but how low was the DPS in that group that you pulled off a 27 cast execute...
Why assume its low
sick sentinel
i might try it one it 2 times in content
chilly brook
Not the same log
But just because you get a lot of execute casts doesn't mean group dps is low
waxen orbit
Whatβs your haste at
chilly brook
Especially since banner is a lot of rage influx especially with last stand up
chilly brook
Mine is like 30% haste
waxen orbit
I can see that totally working tho Griff thatβs pretty baller
30% with or without ITF?
waxen orbit
Goddamn, that rage gen from banner with last stand be bussin then
I gotta give that shit a crack
chilly brook
I had banner up for almost 50 seconds on soulrender
Which is what my screenshot was from
It's like 4 or so rage per second
sick sentinel
i need to upgrade my shield 1 time to 242, pants 3 times (RIP FUTURE VALOR) and blade kit to 242 cuz memes
sick sentinel
carvers eye right?
waxen orbit
i need to upgrade my shield 1 time to 242, pants 3 times (RIP FUTURE VALOR) and ...
Blade kit is big stink
sick sentinel
i run dungeon every week for afe and scale
crystal iris
Just went necro this is great
also I just ran HR in a raid and what the actual fk
why did none of you tell me this talent is so easy to use
Ive been leaping around jumping all over the place getting my little extra 2s of SB this thing gave my more rage than i could spend and more SB than i could spend lol
urban portal
do you mean the wall?
crystal iris
No I mean heavy reprecussions
urban portal
because you said leaping around
but anyways HR isnt needed most of the time
its very little damage
unless its mythic raid where you are getting blasted AM is plenty fine
crystal iris
Ive been running the standard Anger management - reprisal setup so yeah its a bit of jumping around
I run much more M+ and struggle a bit on higher keys (for me) in the 17-20+ range on fortified weeks
urban portal
if you are running rep you have to jump around regardless of AM or HR
crystal iris
I agree that reprisal and AM is the optimal way to play
but sometimes idk i dont want to work so hard for my SB and HR seems like a solid increase to tankiness no?
yes yes its less damage
I think what ill miss the most is the CDR on shield wall though
crystal iris
yeah but in M+ fort when the packs live forever
I still have a lot to learn. Ive been submitting logs and got my block% to about 80% with the standard build but idk
I think HR is a good way to learn the tanking pulls and have to focus less on interveneing and weaving in and out so that I can focus more on whats going on in the pull. Plus its a nice way to just chill and lazy tank no?
crystal iris
of course
could probably run seismic at that point
or the wall I guess
I see that the wall is way less dps and effective rage
but idk for someone learning to tank. The reprisal build was really tough for me. I was tanking on pally like this shit is easy compared to everything i need to do on warrior
I like the reprisal playstyle but not all the time
feels like a lot of work/stress
like not intervening on a melee thats on the other side and eating 20 hits in the back
chilly brook
No I mean heavy reprecussions
Because HR isn't worth playing in raid
Reprisal is just better and AM is 100% the play in raid
chilly brook
could probably run seismic at that point
Seismic is useless 95% of the time in raid
Have to hit 3 targets to proc it
chilly brook
like not intervening on a melee thats on the other side and eating 20 hits in th...
Just move next to a melee, none of these bosses cleave except for nerzhul beam
crystal iris
im talking about M+
just mentionned raid because i ran it in raid as a test. i agee its useless in raid
nice def option in M+ it seems. going to try it with reprisal in this 19 see how it is
chilly brook
Even in m+ using reprisal is even easier
sick sentinel
yeah
time for ragnaros blocker addon lmao
you guys are right, have to start pre-filtering out ragnaros connected players,
crystal iris
Just move next to a melee, none of these bosses cleave except for nerzhul beam
Yeah i had a lot of rage
and usually im spamming revenge bc I get a lot of rage from ravager
and i would already have so much rage and SB uptime then need to hit SB to extend... was a bit overwhealming
stuck scaffold
I want some prot warrior infinite shield block solo tanking shenanigans
mellow bridge
Most bosses sadly force you to swap via debuffs
mellow bridge
Spell reflect the pain
mellow gorge
Ignore pain the pain
urban portal
I want some prot warrior infinite shield block solo tanking shenanigans
unfortunately you arent blood dk
blazing condor
You also dont own an air fryer
brittle owl
air friers are overrated don't @ me
median timber
@brittle owl rood
brittle owl
ain't rood if it's the trooth
median timber
Lies and slandor
mellow gorge
it clearly looks like you don't own an air fryer
autumn pendant
π€¦
ionic fern
π€¦
brittle owl
lime urchin
this sunday the boys and I gather up after a looooong time
to see if we can slam some 20's for the first time
does pressing w still do the trick there or is some sort of organization worth to do
we overgear the content a lot now
ionic fern
Jep, 20 is literally press w.
lime urchin
looking forward to it
strong forum
Lots of people don't look where they go
lime urchin
I just tab charge and see where I end up π¦
brittle owl
chad move
oblique garnet
I just tab charge and see where I end up π¦
Just hold W till you reach first boss and thats the first pull done
ionic fern
@oblique garnet what was the highest DPS you managed? Was it that 13k?
oblique garnet
Ye
ionic fern
Mists?
oblique garnet
Yup
ionic fern
oblique garnet
8-9k is reprisal numbers
ionic fern
^
ionic fern
For Seismic you would pull more frequently onto bosses i'd guess for keeping the 3+ enemies up.
oblique garnet
Pretty much
mellow gorge
Hmm,
oblique garnet
Anything below 3 targets is bad for you if you play seismic
mellow gorge
Just dont get what I'm missing out to deal alot of dmg
ionic fern
Too much IP?
oblique garnet
I dont press ip and i have charge + intervene always on cd
oblique garnet
- i do dumb pulls
mellow gorge
True true
I think i need to swap my trinketd
And get more crit
To do big dmg on prot
Until then the max I can achieve is 7k
oblique garnet
Then again im also 256 ilvl
jagged pier
u can hit 9k with like any trinkets
oblique garnet
^
jagged pier
and stats
mellow gorge
Never
oblique garnet
Cant play defensive trinkets if you dont have any
jagged pier
ppl really really seem to blame stats and gear before themselves
if we broke down a late log and one of your logs
jagged pier
we would probbably see a huge difference
oblique garnet
Think downtime affects it the most
mellow gorge
Hmm, we'll see, ill log a key tonight and post it
ionic fern
π
oblique garnet
if we broke down a late log and one of your logs
Honestly idk if you could say my pulls anything special its just that basically on every boss i try to have adds with boss except the first one
ionic fern
Doing bosses alone really trucks your overall DPS. π¦
oblique garnet
Pulling anything alone kinda fucks your overall
teal swift
Ragnaros/azralon players have broken me, never again lol
Do the 4 day ksm challenge, where you soloQ without mains IO to ksm
I found it fun
sick sentinel
I might try another key or 2 but I'm getting really discouraged anymore
I'm getting to point where it's actually not fun, wiping and depleting to things i/we shouldn't be
teal swift
Even the best teams deplete
sick sentinel
Just pugs
teal swift
I got my first 20 in a pug
sick sentinel
Group of like 230-240s ilvl this last run and someone was saying "druid healer doesn't know mechanics
inland raft
I took my alliance alt to ksm starting at ilvl 196 and ending at 220 without linking and most groups had az, rag, quel players in it