They're all the same size
#protection
chilly brook
sick sentinel
near untargetable? run around like that in pvp, tiny unkillable gnome kekw
chilly brook
I kinda want to be a Kul'tiran human ngl
sick sentinel
bitch slap
chrome falcon
I just can't get over the "mum said it was my turn to use the XBOX" energy in this tier set
it might look kinda sick on a kultiran tbf
chilly brook
The more I see the warrior set
chrome falcon
i'm HOPING those boots will work well on tauren
chilly brook
The more I feel like we got jipped compared to everyone else
sweet summit
I just can't get over the "mum said it was my turn to use the XBOX" energy in th...
dude
fuck that
mage tower owns
chrome falcon
oh yeah i'm not wearing that shit
mage tower 100%
i'm just saying the tier shoulders are hilarious
sick sentinel
I just can't get over the "mum said it was my turn to use the XBOX" energy in th...
as meme was looking at trying xbox controller for wow just now, but nah
chrome falcon
wait what tier is this
chrome falcon
tier... 29?
sweet summit
chrome falcon
fuck i have no idea
sweet summit
what
chrome falcon
antorus was t21 right
strong forum
29 or 30
strong forum
Or 28
chrome falcon
28
chrome falcon
i wouldn't counting CoS
chilly brook
You know I think the warrior set would be wayyyyy cooler if it wasn't an open faced helmet
sweet summit
antorus was 21
strong forum
You know I think the warrior set would be wayyyyy cooler if it wasn't an open fa...
Or would look like a Lego block
chilly brook
Like if it had the rogue mask effect for this upcoming tier in the gap
sweet summit
so next tier is 28
sick sentinel
i would want to go as mechagnome or dwarf if if i was alliance again
sweet summit
yeah okay
chrome falcon
antorus 21, uldir 22, BoD 23, EP 24, Nya 25, nathria 26, soD 27, this shit 28
sweet summit
yeah
strong forum
Your mum? 69
sweet summit
nice
strong forum
π
chrome falcon
all i'm saying is that this system better be back for good
sweet summit
Prayge
chilly brook
Or would look like a Lego block
This effect in the gaps where your face is currently being shown would improve the aesthetic a lot
It just kinda looks goofy as an open faced helmet tbh
sick sentinel
chilly brook
Especially since the concept art isn't open faced
lyric relic
as meme was looking at trying xbox controller for wow just now, but nah
Tbh Iβd play on controller if I didnβt have to worry about intervene targeting
lyric relic
itβd be nice if controller support was better, similar to ffxivs (where I tank on controller)
chilly brook
So either a black void with glowing eyes or something like the rogue effect would really make it pop
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdpcUPxPiqk
attempting shut down...... it's not..... it's not shutting down!
torpid saffron
Is there a soft cap for versatility and haste ? How much should i get of each ?
I currently run with 25% Haste (841) and 15% Versatility (601)
modern brook
yup!
on your jewelery you can drop some ilvl for better stats
but it frankly doesnt really matter
torpid saffron
So between 252 legs with haste-mastery and 246 legs haste vers
Should i keep 252 haste-mastery ?
torpid saffron
Ok, got it!
modern brook
so its a moot question
torpid saffron
Got it on my boots cuz it was cheaper π
torpid saffron
Legs on Elysian Might, right ?
modern brook
yeah Legs for basically any leggo that will allow you to
High stat allocation + no dom sock
although as alluded to
In 9.2 i tihnk they said Set pieces will be chest head pants gloves
but thats a ways off
so grains of salt
mighty valley
the covenant legendary will be on belt next patch
so if you're just crafting one to prep for 9.2, hold off
strong forum
It can be on any slot
Or well, not specifically stated if on any, but it's not just belt
mighty valley
Oh damn didn't catch that
Very cool, glad they're cutting down on reserved slots
Maybe I'll actually get some vault shit past the first month this time
modern brook
Maybe I'll actually get some vault shit past the first month this time
π
ionic fern
ionic fern
π
distant crystal
if it's not just a belt, why do they even announce it as a belt lol
chilly brook
literally will be me
Saaaammmmmeeee
Honestly they should release that covenant swap lego now
Like right now
oblique garnet
@jagged pier We got em
jagged pier
chrome falcon
I think the idea is that you get the belt for free
or you can use the legendary crafting system to put it on something else
i may be wrong but that's the only way i can understand why they'd refer to it as "the belt"
jagged pier
i concede @oblique garnet im never getting to that XD
blazing condor
12k damn
oblique garnet
Still got it
strong forum
it
/Ιͺt/
See definitions in:
All
Sex Β· Informal
Alcoholic Β· Dated
Computing
pronoun
1.
First strike
"an OP fucking conduit"
2. 256 ilvl
"its not that much"
dark lark
<@!179993058186625025> We got em
Seismic Reverb?
strong forum
yes
oblique garnet
Yes
crystal iris
what level key lol
oblique garnet
Only 18
oblique garnet
Was mists
strong forum
nw weapons shows on details as seperate window
so no more NW overall cheese unless youre using an outdated details version
oblique garnet
Feel free to try to do the same π
crystal iris
damn an 18 without reprisal scares me haha
chrome falcon
No need to be scared of mobs when you do 12k dps just kill that shit real quick
crystal iris
the first 2 pulls i find extremely difficult as prot
crystal iris
not sure, i just take a ton of damage
ionic fern
Are you Spellreflecting the 2 stacks of the debuff?
sick sentinel
i just gotta double check, so you said best possible options to skip the trash i was wondering about in mists is use warlock gates or priest mind soothe (so the whole party can get past with no invis pot)
crystal iris
probably only one stack
sick sentinel
need the whole party to be 100% sure won't pull
crystal iris
is it the one caster that you can interrupt that puts the stacks? I dont think so right?
ionic fern
oblique garnet
Can reflect that
crystal iris
it cant be interrupted righ?
chrome falcon
it's instant cast
your best bet is to back up a bit from them so they both have it off CD and then reflect+charge in
or throw out a well timed shockwave to line them up
crystal iris
how do I know when hey cast it?
oblique garnet
11k in dos aswell π
crystal iris
ahh
chrome falcon
could probably find/make a weakaura for it too but
crystal iris
Usually its so hectic trying to survive and group that I dont see it. As a healer i usually just dispell instantly
chrome falcon
best bet is to just run into the pack on +0 and see when they cast it
normally i just pull the pack, stun them both asap then back pedal a bit, as soon as the stun ends pop reflect and charge
and it should work
crystal iris
do you pull the little spiteclaws too?
oblique garnet
Yeah
crystal iris
I dont know that I trust pug healers to purge them
chrome falcon
depends on the week and the group but it's a good timesave yeah
oblique garnet
The 5 smallies i purge myself because im belf
chrome falcon
^ having belf is good
crystal iris
alliance has a rough time of it
chrome falcon
as it should
icy gyro
guys do we know raid drops yet?
chrome falcon
uhhh they datamined the whole dungeon journal
so maybe?
wowhead hasn't posted them
crystal iris
is that the only magic damage going out that pull? If the caster gets interrupted?
chrome falcon
should be yeah
crystal iris
then the little dudes need to be purged so priest, shaman if hes quick and druid?
ionic fern
LOL.
Jump off from a city in the sky in Bastion - Kyrians catch you and carry you back
Jump off inside the training dummy area in NL - Necrolords let you die.
π
This is what i call dedication to lore.
crystal iris
you guys are nuts haha seismic reverb in an 18
I guess if team is stacked then ya π
sick sentinel
tropic gorge
lol
sick sentinel
so he hit you for effectively around 325k
tropic gorge
big ol enraged hit in mythic
sick sentinel
276,863
distant crystal
smh shoulda pressed ignore pain
mighty valley
sounds like someone needs more vers
strong forum
yeah sounds like a vers issue
sick sentinel
where do i go if i want to do fake simulations
i want to do fake simulations with gear i don't have
values?
blazing condor
That sniper FUCKS
tropic gorge
Goddamn
modern brook
That was both a Triple Bestial Smash thati ate all 3 of, and also the last time i had fun raid tanking :^)
modern brook
triple smash was possible with DRs to tank
This was no externals iirc
Or at least I didn't call for any
it was definitely w/ SW up though lmao
strong forum
well yeah and it overkilled by 350k
modern brook
well yeah and it overkilled by 350k
i lived
blazing condor
Obomu
modern brook
the good news is i dont raid so it shouldnt be hard to find a log form 4 fucking years ago π
blazing condor
π³
modern brook
yeah wrong pull my b
strong forum
π
blazing condor
Barack Obomu
modern brook
oh man you remember when i provided value to thisc ommunity @strong forum
I cant find this fucking b value now
im pissed T-T
strong forum
oh man you remember when i provided value to thisc ommunity <@!19274314427662336...
yeah totally
strong forum
nothing should change
just gotta updated the characters and wcl/api should find it on their own
some characters get bricked, idk how
distant crystal
I think if they swap twice before getting refreshed or something
strong forum
bro i need to find this now
just go through your kills?
strong forum
the person who uploaded the logs either made them private, deleted them or they got corrupted
modern brook
dont fucking gas light me waat
I WAS COOL
FOR ONE FUCKING PATCH
NOT EVEN
ONE FUCKING FIGHT
distant crystal
you were actually out doing drugs and having sex
strong forum
well shadowlands is prolly gonna retcon all of bfa and sl
distant crystal
while we progged mythic raids in BFA
distant crystal
rateg
strong forum
a drunk confessor
blazing condor
At the end of the jailer encounter he wins and he resets the world. But what actually happens is that we wake up
modern brook
smolfango
blazing condor
Its ICC
distant crystal
I used to read Word Up magazine
modern brook
i found this which made me laugh
modern brook
its all videos from people w/ sub 200 subscribers on YT blowing ppl up w/ double combust from 2019
distant crystal
I almost killed pikaboo and his viewer in 2s on my fire mage
but he barely survived then rekt me
blazing condor
Iβm- IβMβ¦ Oh Fook iβm COMBOOSTING
distant crystal
blazing condor
Shoutout to that one fire mage named βGonbustβ that carried my mists key in 9,0
modern brook
Gonbust coming back in 9.2 if that set makes it to live
tropic gorge
i found this which made me laugh
lmao
modern brook
wat warlock shit matt
chilly brook
wat warlock shit matt
distant crystal
they're changing the klan hat appearance for warlock tier
chilly brook
Literally if they didn't have a set color scheme for this tier it wouldn't have even been given the time of day
chilly brook
they're changing the klan hat appearance for warlock tier
Might as well change Malthaels model
blazing condor
Evil skyhold be like: stack vers
lavish oracle
How many targets would it take to be worth pressing TC over SS with the new set bonus?
jagged pier
its not
lavish oracle
How's the scaling past 5 targets work? Is it capped at the 5 target damage spread across all new targets?
Or is it square root scaling
With square root, it should be worth it at some point
I guess even that's capped at 20
odd tree
i'd assume it's not unless you're worried about threat, which you shouldn't be
cobalt garden
Do we know if the tier-set means we get both more Damage from SS and more rage gen?
lavish oracle
i'd assume it's not unless you're worried about threat, which you shouldn't be
I'm talking specifically for damage, how many targets does it become worth pressing TC for
modern brook
Do we know if the tier-set means we get both more Damage from SS and more rage g...
the effective word is likely just to duct tape in ip
expect it to only affect their damage
happy surprise if its rage gen
cobalt garden
gotcha
modern brook
How's the scaling past 5 targets work? Is it capped at the 5 target damage sprea...
All of prot scaling (except whirl wind) is really weird
lavish oracle
Man, if I affects rage gen, I'm gonna be rage capped like a motherfucker on pull
ionic fern
cobalt garden
o_0
cobalt garden
well that's kind of cool
strong forum
by 200
modern brook
@lavish oracle
odd tree
oh wow, that's interesting
modern brook
prot target scaling
strong forum
<@!107299379173453824>
thats old
modern brook
is it?
cobalt garden
so if i want to lighten my GCD usage to free up rage spenders, does Devastator make sense?
(sorry ST only)
strong forum
you always play devastator
modern brook
it was changed before SL launch
game sucks
strong forum
in 100% of situations
and technically TC wins over SS on... 6? targets in raw dmg
but then given that TC resets SS, and that SS is 3x the rage of TC
you always wanna prio SS
lavish oracle
I have a feeling we're not gonna be rage starved by any means in 9.2
mighty valley
if the rage is confirmed boosted by outrage, think giving up 60 rage vs 15 rage isn't gonna be the move ever, yeah
lavish oracle
Seems kinda stupid to always prio rage
mighty valley
ah yeah, i'm living in the past
strong forum
and TC will hit like crit6-7k and SS will hit like crit20k
cobalt garden
Just want to confirm our only significant dump is Revenge (or Execute)? sorry for noob questions
mighty valley
IP off GCD, revenge (and execute) on gcd
strong forum
execute ( on 3 targets or less ) > revenge > SB > IP
modern brook
Just want to confirm our only significant dump is Revenge (or Execute)? sorry fo...
IP is off GCD
cobalt garden
cool ty
modern brook
and you will use it to burn off rage you would other wise cap
by doing your rotation
modern brook
most of your rage should be dumped into good blockusage and revenge
and sub 20% u just execute
strong forum
and on ST if you can execute, you never press revenge again
or IP
all the rage goes into execute and putting up SB once you can execute
modern brook
if u can rage cap with execute available ur a champion tbh
mighty valley
except the free ones when you're not rage capping
cobalt garden
are the free Revenges still on GCD?
mighty valley
yeah
modern brook
yes
cobalt garden
kk
So I read these changes as a very strong buff for a raid that wanted Execute damage from the Tank role.
mighty valley
depends on any tuning... as is prot paladin is so far ahead and their damage gain from set bonuses also looks very strong
strong forum
pally has more execute dmg
π
cuz their execute button hits twice as hard as ours and is a generator for them
and is usable earlier iirc
cobalt garden
yeah, i guess they get it in wings too or ashen
blazing condor
Let outrage affect execute
modern brook
omething something give prot fury Execute
strong forum
anywho, our execute will be stronger given that we will be able to play glory+rep
blazing condor
With onslaught
modern brook
and also sudden death as a talent
strong forum
which is a huge execute pump
prisma obsidian
let revenge! allow free revenge or execute xd, would be busted thou
modern brook
but keep it at Arms scaling :^)
blazing condor
With condemn mechanics
modern brook
Prot warrior should be best excute DPS spec
blazing condor
To protect u must make sure no one can harm you
mighty valley
holding my breath to see if they rip off a band aid and make any changes to the biggest dmg + healing cooldown on the planet
hard to imagine pushing prot paladin out of the way while ashen stays as it is
modern brook
mighty valley
we have ashen at home
lavish oracle
We run AM for sure with set bonus, right?
strong forum
incredibly likely
unless the synergy between glory and bolster outweighs getting more avatars
for some reason
lavish oracle
What's the glory bolster synergy? Sorry, I have been like 100% ignoring necro because I don't like it
sweet summit
2 minute last stand cd with glory and with unnerving
lavish oracle
Ah
strong forum
yeah its doubtful
modern brook
or actually probably 10 theres a lot of variables there
strong forum
and in m+ its a no brainer to run AM
modern brook
which is less doubtful π€·
no nvm
Just run am
lmao
shits busted
avatar is our cool button
get more
brittle owl
member when woyer didn't need a cd to be cool
brittle owl
pepperidge farm members
distant crystal
i'm not just a member, i'm also the president
modern brook
mr president get downs
im reporting this joke to the CIA
Youngstuffe was a fuckin hero dude
mighty valley
remember when our cooldowns were half an hour
inland raft
Guys i made a prot pally, and its kinda fun
chilly brook
2 minute last stand cd with glory and with unnerving
Can't wait to play necrolord next patch
chilly brook
Guys i made a prot pally, and its kinda fun
I feel like I said this during the prepatch and everyone was like
inland raft
Prot still more fun to me, warrior is life but i can see myself playing this for a tier maybe
chilly brook
RIP BFA prot
sweet summit
patent osprey
^
jagged pier
^
patent osprey
LOL
sick sentinel
oblique garnet
Only dorks play paladin
What did you say
sick sentinel
i did more dps but i didn't time the key
sick sentinel
inland raft
@patent osprey its still called prot and if i squint hard enough it looks brown
sick sentinel
this is damage from key
strong forum
spear and SS should be higher
sick sentinel
i think what happened was just, didn't pull big enough
i don't like pulling LT with trash packs, or combining, unless i know we have cds/pumpers
inland raft
Smaller the pull size the more ss is gonna move up on overall compared to revenge though, im sure your missing some slams
spiral warren
modern brook
<:Pepexecute:595606525272391710> What did you say
I said where my lunch money dork
sick sentinel
fine by me
chilly brook
<:Pepexecute:595606525272391710> What did you say
You're a dork
oblique garnet
I said where my lunch money dork
No u
modern brook
late rampart
anybody thinking about how nice synergy would be in m+ with tier set + reprisal (rage generation) + necrolord w/ glory legendary (rage gen/spend)?
sick sentinel
i caught why the gate keeper pulled this time at least and seemed to be the patrol that goes in that area
maddening
modern brook
EM is still way more pog than glory in M+ imo
sick sentinel
more crit is more parry more parry is more SS
modern brook
it doesnt give crit
sick sentinel
would be the mantra
modern brook
π¦
well i guess more accurately it doesnt give parry
since its crit damage and also non-rating crit % doesnt give parry % anyways
mighty valley
it gives the weak minded the excuse they need to build all crit
which gives more parry
teal swift
Isn't crit one of the highest DPS stats prot has??
sweet summit
crit is very good for damage yes
mighty valley
the strong minded are already there
cinder nova
Imagine stacking anything but crit/vers
sweet summit
based
sick sentinel
9.2 plan is glory rep, 1050 haste crti 650 mastery for 400 from infinite banner
Tax evasion tank ( no Stat tax) 0 versa
modern brook
Ur nuts for counting that out bro
true sparrow
Does mythic sylvanas just really hate warriors?
sweet summit
I think she hates everyone
urban portal
i thought bears with the barkskin legendary is just invincible
urban portal
no one uses ufr in raid
median timber
when we dont use ufr its draught for raid and thats for st situations
median timber
oh yeah i would even argue that night fae lego for druid sylv is better than barkskin
urban portal
so idk about no one
urban portal
read two lines above you
modern brook
Honestly talking about bear outside of m+ is cringe
jagged pier
cringe
brittle owl
jagged pier
yer that makes sense
oblique garnet
Basically just trying to always have atleast 3 targets
Next season will actually just get out of hand on how much damage prot will do
urban portal
What about heroic dungeons
I got kicked for pulling the entirety of nw into first boss
In heroic
It's sad
oblique garnet
Real shame i was healing in actuality on prot pala
mellow gorge
Ngl it is juicy to pick up a spear
And throw it across the entire mobs in nw to the boss
brittle owl
Hey i got kicked from normal dungeon for that
can't you like, solo normal dungeons?
oblique garnet
can't you like, solo normal dungeons?
Pretty much yeah
But on a freshly leveled character from 1 not having mythic nyalotha gear kinda makes it harder
brittle owl
yeah that could do it
oblique garnet
I mean i still could solo pretty much every dungeon but its alot slower if i dont have anyone else dpsing
brittle owl
just tick the "experienced player" box, be party leader ez
blazing condor
Is there any dungeon in SL not soloable?
Like maybe broker or milhouse can be hard in DoS if youre solo
blazing condor
True
You can just heroic leap the exile if youre good enough 
Then you have a solid minute or whatever to kill boss before you die
brittle owl
yes but usually when you're just 1 person itll force cast ir
assuming logic from other similar mechanics from the past apply
strong forum
Ye
We did a 4 tank 1 healer run
Didn't cast exile
Same is with yazma in atal
Doesn't cast the spiders thingy on you
There's a few bosses like that I reckon in SL
sick sentinel
Yama if you weren't fucking stupid and knew how to move during giant glowing dpiders you'd be fine and could tunnel bess at start location
By just watching where the damn spiders were and not being near them when it was about to go off
Seen far too many spider and then instant death on that boss
Block one attack, interrupt one, don't be near any adds ever and people still find way to fuck it up
Swing lots of pugs die to random affix ghosts this week
sick sentinel
Can remember a bunch of groups where everyone would botch and moan that ohhh the tank didn't interrupt wracking pain, despite that anybody can interrupt it
And that was last time to knowledge ever played with my dk paladin friend, weren't really getting along and then he some how roped me into doing 16 ad, and by end told him to fuck off, so that's a boss I remember quite well but hate
Troll boss was a lot of pain too absolutely had to get stench cast on first tick
blazing condor
Tbf tho wrecking pain is a tank job
Thats literally all you had to think of on that boss besides moving it around
sick sentinel
Well, those big glowing spiders would be small glowing spiders in p1, and you could avoid ever spawning a void zone if dps weren't near a spider as it transformed
But the spider would still be spawned if you were able to not trigger it by standing on it
The idea for my strategy in that boss is keep it there long as possible till 50% hp and then start kiting around room when it gets worse
And I'll never accept that some spell cast that anybody can interrupt and isn't primarily aimed at tanks is "the tank job" sorry I just don't see it that way
blazing condor
I agree to some extent that yes anyone who is capable of interrupting should do it if needed
But depends on the situation
When you gotta leave the ads and kill them on that boss youβd expect the dps to be more focused on those rather than the boss
Same way youβd expect the tanks to deal more with explosives during burst phases than dps
inland raft
Best part is that the cd was long enough that any 15 second kick class could cover it, no reason to not see multiple kicks go out
sick sentinel
not nessecarily, mage and ranged kick was 18 -24 seconds
but it was instant range interupt
mellow bridge
wasnt wrecking pain very often cast when dps had to run out to drop ghosts tho
at least some of those were the tanks job
sick sentinel
yeah, i'm talking about the dickheads where i go into that boss and i try to get kicks off dps steal 3 of the kicks just a milliseconds too slow(WTF TANK CANT INTERUPTS LUL), or i do like, 5 or 6 and miss 1 and someone dies and starts giga raging
even made a /say macro that just spammed a "something should be interupted here" message, want to attach it to whenever it's on CD, or possibly, if it hit nothing, but that could trigger groups
chilly brook
So just messing around with banner
It doesn't feel horrible
The rage influx feels good actually
sweet summit
it's only horrible when you min/max it for group damage
chilly brook
it's only horrible when you min/max it for group damage
I'll make that everyone else's responsibility to try and min max it if necro is actually the play next patch
sweet summit
:v)
chilly brook
I'm sure someone has made a weakaura that tracks banners CD
I'll just link anyone who cares that WA
rose furnace
Has any math been done with banner uptime with glory+reprisal? Juicing it up with unnerving focus and how many stacks of the setbonus you can get?
Can banner hit close to 100% uptime?
jagged pier
well unvering focus doesnt effect glory rage
strong forum
once UF works, theres a very good chance that you can keep up Banner for longer than its CD i reckon
rose furnace
Is it bugged or intended
rose furnace
strong forum
like the raw rage gain you get from reprisal is absurd
so it would catapult banner uptime by a bit already
rose furnace
Yeah giving up reprisal for Glory is a hard bargain but having both is π
And that set bonus looks crazy
strong forum
not as crazy as others
rose furnace
The VDH one looks pretty silly
strong forum
vdh one is broken
rose furnace
With the growing inferno conduit and kyrian lego uptime
I wonder how big the prot paladin is gonna be
jagged pier
like actually considering gearing all my tanks to mess around iwth the tier sets
but i fucking cba
mellow bridge
*a significant ICD
the tank sets are kinda weird
VDH is just weird, BRM is horrid
and then you have stuff like guardian and pally which are really insane lol
but I like our prot one
jagged pier
what VDH isnt weird is gunna be a huge dps increase
mellow bridge
well
Making it so that recasting immo aura is a huge dps loss is quite weird imo
they should at least change it so that you dont lose your GI stacks if you recast immo
strong forum
BRM does literally nothing
rose furnace
BDK sounds interesting
rose furnace
Will there be crit stacking for parry chance tho
mellow bridge
you dont need more parry chance with drw up
strong forum
na
mellow bridge
I wonder what the 2nd drw from the 4p will actually do exactly
mellow bridge
but yeah bdk looks good too
Every time I want to play BDK because I love their deathstriking, but then I cant main it because I just cant deal with having 0 mobility permanently
rose furnace
βΏ
mellow bridge
with wraith walk it's okayish but you need dnd slow in M+
strong forum
what about having literally 0 dmg buttons?
sick sentinel
NF seems good but i only played with it for like a dungeon
strong forum
i heard they might go NF
sick sentinel
NF dk that is
strong forum
but i dont really keep up with other tanks
rose furnace
The BDK discord is cringe
sweet summit
lol why
mellow bridge
what about having literally 0 dmg buttons?
bonestorm does damage okay
rose furnace
Back in 8.3 they told me I had a reading comprehension issue and bullied me enough to the point Mandl PM'd me and then updated the BDK guide because I was right about azerite power procs
sweet summit
yeah but red thirst owns
rose furnace
Mandl being the blood guide writer
sweet summit
very not epic
strong forum
im kind of an expert on BDK, ive played like 15 BDK keys in bfa s1
so im kind of a big deal
sick sentinel
15 keys or a +15 keys
sick sentinel
i knew a dk doin +15 keys, we were both pepega though
mellow bridge
Back in 8.3 they told me I had a reading comprehension issue and bullied me enou...
that sounds very r-word by them
strong forum
RRDUCTION
sick sentinel
RRDUCTION is my favorite
rose furnace
Yeah I was like, super not in a good place mental health wise so on top of that I was pretty upset about it
rose furnace
Left the discord and never went back
rose furnace
Only discord that I've found is good is warriors
sweet summit
skyhold owns
mellow bridge
VDH can be helpful but sometimes theyre just all dicks too lmao
depends on who you talk to
mellow bridge
lmfao
strong forum
dont go anywhere on DH discord but VDH section
mellow bridge
I dont really look at anything past the spec channels that I play
rose furnace
The hunter discord has a F-1 racing channel that is alnost more active than the survival spec channel
strong forum
well yeah my old guilds discord is only alive cuz of F1 at this point
strong forum
and your occasional "LOL wow is dying"
sick sentinel
gutys driving around wrong way in traffic 100 mph they shoot out his back window try to pit manveur gets away like 4 times
finally they got liek 8 cop cars around him he cant get out, turns out hes special ed
strong forum
american car chases are weird
what the fuck are they thinking
theyve got fucking helicopters, you think youre just gonna outrun that
:haha
sick sentinel
i didn't pay attention after they arrested him, but he was on the phone extremel angry about something, said he had a knife
mellow bridge
America is a wild country in general
as a European, I cant believe half the shit that goes on there LOL
sweet summit
tru
sick sentinel
"he could use this car as weapon against the police car right in front of him!!!!" (car has flat tires all sides, broken window doing top speed 15 mph)
rose furnace
I have my small corner apartment with my two cats, manage to get by working weekends at the local hospital with all weekdays usually off. I try to avoid the news and current events, pretend the world is fine and ignore as much as I can
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
theyve got fucking helicopters, you think youre just gonna outrun that
i mean, helicopters aren't fucking magic, they still have to obey the laws of physics runs out of gas or can't travel fast enough to keep up with it, GG, also, if the car goes into a shopping mall or underground section, low visiblity,
chilly brook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPkfrQw-RZo
This makes me miss Legion and speed sets
strong forum
A helicopter can travel several times faster than a car, so that really doesn't apply for fuel, sure they can't go as long
chilly brook
The problem with helicopters is they're just a way to keep an eye on someone they're not going to be able to stop the person
Overall just don't break the law and don't run from cops and your life probably will be fairly easy
strong forum
It really is that simple
blazing condor
say "cops" without your lips touching
strong forum
Cops aren't your friends
idk about that
Murican cops, sure
but european should be fine
chilly brook
idk about that
In general you don't really gain anything by talking to them. At least here in the states. You can talk yourself into getting arrested but you can't talk yourself out. Any lawyer will tell you just don't talk to them.
sick sentinel
well, a cops job is to arrest you, if you've done something illegal or you piss him off enough if you become a substantial threat to yourself or others
rose furnace
Wait with the 4 set bonus will it be possible to drop into the fray for unstoppable force, bigger claps
I know you ran than in 8.3 because of VoP procs
And now with glory+reprisal spamming rage even harder for anger management
I really miss 8.3 prot warrior
inland raft
Tc still dog poo poo
Wont want to waste the proc on tclap generally, maybe with high enough target count
rose furnace
I wonder if the free revenge procs will still count as "rage spent" for outburst stacks
rose furnace
The paladin holy power freebie talent that can proc counts as using a spender for other things
So it exists for some things like that
inland raft
I hate to admit how much fun having on pally alt
First time ever playing pally ever after all these years so maybe thats part of it
strong forum
Wait with the 4 set bonus will it be possible to drop into the fray for unstoppa...
no, UF is dead until they buff either TC or the talent
the 200% stronger TC is only once every 30-40seconds
and its only 1 TC, not all TCs
sick sentinel
even with am reducing ava cd
i think you said it was just over 1 minute CD with AM play on ava, and when you pop that, you get a free instant TC, that will be good for fort week trash
i want to say you could get like, 2 outbursted TC's/minute
sick sentinel
its very doable CT UF AM build
strong forum
doable but very bad
sick sentinel
~4khit/8kcrits(+30%ava+20% if booming, +%50 UF demo etc) on all targets in range when its up (base just ap buff 244 ilvl
inland raft
The haste from itf in raid and rav in m+ just still better
Both grant more avatars by generating rage for am as well
sick sentinel
ITF in keys is like inting imo
inland raft
Not really rav is better but itf can work andybrew is by no means a bad tank and prefers itf
So its not intint its just suboptimal for most scenerios
strong forum
i mean
he played pwar for like 2 weeks
its not inting no
but rav is just better
inland raft
Whcih is what saying, difference between being suboptimal and inting
inland raft
I messed around with both and its no brainer that rav is better but my overal was fairly close
inland raft
Id say rav is like 1-200dps overal increase
Main benefit to it is more aoe threat and also the burst rage gen
Overa damage is close
ocean yoke
it also looks cool
inland raft
Id go so far as to say rotationally itf feels better, you basically have drums 100% uptime but ya rav is the play
But itf is perfectly fine
inland raft
I did it for like a week straight to give it honest shot, i didnt mind it
Much happier when went back to rav for sure but it was fine
I did the full turtle way with itf hr and honestly felt like reprisal was kinda wasted, prob could run a diff leggo with that setup had such high uptime on block anyways, only real downside is its more braindead then tanking already can be
strong forum
well you cant play HR without reprisal
you need a baseline high SB uptime for HR to work
inland raft
It was 9.0.5 when i did it and with itf i was at like 42-45% haste or something like that if i just charged a group for initial block and didnt use reprisal rest of pull could get like 75-80 uptime with decent rng not as good as using reprisal fully but solid
rose furnace
With the 4 set bonus I don't see taking anything besides AM
inland raft
Next to no reason to maybe the absolute highest keys still want hr but prob not
rose furnace
Avatar having a 10% DR added onto it; I don't see why you wouldn't want more avatars
inland raft
10% dr isnt gonna change much main benefit is its a stronger offensive cd
Am def the play for 99% of content but good chance the pinnacle of pushing will still be hr which is same as now anyways
Should be using am anyways already
rose furnace
I'm a casual andy getting my KSM and dicking around with +15s
HR is nice for learning the spec and helping with block uptime but AM is for pumping
inland raft
Hr is when you need literally 100% uptime which isnt til mid to high 20s
I say that as someone who runs hr most of the time out of laziness even though stopped doing high keys in season 1, just never think to swap back since barwly play anymore
Get on when people ask me to or to mess around with other specs like prot pally right now
urban portal
Avatar having a 10% DR added onto it; I don't see why you wouldn't want more ava...
Because AM doesn't help you live that pull
It helps you pull more aggressively
inland raft
Im living example of ill give right advice while playing wrong myself out of laziness/apathy
urban portal
Do what I say not what I do
inland raft
Pretty much, sometimes ill just open up talent tree and click random ahit and thats what i play
I just get on yo help guildies wither do their 15 for week or get then their portals so 15-20 range
Doesnt matter what i do
But for a while now its just been hr build
blazing condor
what would yall say is best healer for grievous?
im thinking pala or sham but idrk
sweet summit
shaman always has healing
pala has healing during cds
easily shaman in a vacuum
but also player > spec
urban portal
Hpreist xd
strong forum
Druid
mellow gorge
Every healer
strong forum
Druid is probably the healer for grievous
urban portal
I thought their don't clear griev stacks fast enough
strong forum
Neither does shaman
Shaman sucks at getting people over 90%
Druid has an omega easy time with his hots
inland raft
Problem is fees like a lot of the good healers arent playing druid so most druids feel rough
mellow gorge
I like MW healers most π
strong forum
Not as stressful as shaman
mellow gorge
Druid healers don't even heal me π¦
strong forum
Shaman is omega stressful cuz he's bound to hardcasting heals
blazing condor
it has been possible forever π
its easy to fuck up though if you got dumb people
hollow berry
any recommendations for a new Tauren Proto Warrior?
mellow gorge
do not die
hollow berry
i try lol its hard im still getting used to this game
mellow gorge
practice makes perfect
sick sentinel
do not die
and do fair dps while doing it
mellow gorge
knowing where and when to use shieldblock is handy
managing your rage to do dmg or survivability
there's quite alot to do to effeciently play prot
hollow berry
is shield and sword the most effective?
sick sentinel
yeah that NW skip is way too touch and go
mellow gorge
one handed + shield is important yes
sick sentinel
i brought group there to try to practice it again and still failed, fuck that never attempting again
hollow berry
which one handed is most effective you think?
sick sentinel
well, i was going to do that skip right
mellow gorge
but if you're gearing it doesn't matter
hollow berry
what about like early leveling? i just hit lvl 14
sick sentinel
so, i said okay, what do we do instead? "the normal way" ... what does that mean like this? yup
and it is so much better
mellow gorge
what about like early leveling? i just hit lvl 14
there isn't much you can do there, just play the game really and try to get a good feeling of shield block
hollow berry
oh ok, what level is shield block unlocked?
sick sentinel
point your character at the monster, point the monster facing out of the group, and then put up your sheild block
hollow berry
is it in the warrior training skills? or talent tree?
sick sentinel
no its a core ability fundamental, unsure first level you get it
level 10, so its in your spell book
hollow berry
oh?
hollow berry
theres only bloodrage there
sick sentinel
page above it warrior
hollow berry
fury?
sick sentinel
p for spell book
hollow berry
yeah i did that
sick sentinel
and at the top right, there is book sword shield icons, it's under the sword
hollow berry
i have general, arms, fury, and prot
livid igloo
hollow berry
yeah im on classic sorry
sick sentinel
ohhh sorry
hollow berry
oh ok im sorry about that
sick sentinel
classic is just have fun man
hollow berry
yeah i have a warrior on retail but i felt like it was too easy so my friend recommended classic
but its like sooo much different
sick sentinel
only thing you need to know about classic warrior is stack str and agility
sick sentinel
stam if u want to tank but u get tons of stam from classic gear anyway lmao
classic pwar is NOTHING like today pwar
hollow berry
oh ok well then i suppose i'll just try and feel it out
sick sentinel
except for last stand
strong forum
classic anything is nothing like retail
sick sentinel
slice and dice practically never changed
strong forum
all you do in classic is press 1 or 2 buttons and wait for auto attacks or mana
sick sentinel
my god snd is busted, attack like crazy speed
is it really that much different from retail but sped up? we press 4 butons and wait for CDS we have some long ass CD's if we gunn die
strong forum
m8
your auto attack speed in classic is 3.6s
you arent even close to GCD capped
like you press 15 buttons a minute
total
sick sentinel
i want to say more like 1.6-2.4 speed weapon since ur talking 1 hand and shield
sick sentinel
shield in retail
sick sentinel
i seem to remember all the warriors wearing shields to tank when it was 2004/5
strong forum
yeah cuz they dumb
in classic, not vanilla, every real tank played fury
and tanked like that
because it generates alot more threat and is a billion times more damage
dmg intake is low enough so that it can just be outhealed
sturdy sable
Yeah survival isnt an issue and your main limiting factor when it came to how much damage can a dps do was threat
sick sentinel
more like, because the boss does 2 spells, 1 he only does at 30% hp and its a channel for 3 minutes that you interupt because it wipes the group and the other is a frost bolt
strong forum
basically
sick sentinel
so its not like you really have alot to mitigate or worry aout
sturdy sable
You play it because the gameplay is so I engaging you could probably play a 2nd game while you raid
sick sentinel
people playing runescape 16 hours a day while they do day job,
strong forum
i dont understand the appeal of playing a game that has no gameplay
like i wanna press buttons
sick sentinel
half life 3 augmented reality VR nylon suit
turbo realistic experience, takes place in building and its done like total proper
cant lose, charge people 10k for the day
hollow berry
so then what about Season of Mastery? would you say that one is a better experience?
strong forum
very very likely to be a better experience
mellow bridge
it's better than normal classic for sure
torpid saffron
Hello, guys! I've been lately trying to push above 20 keys with a group of friends and 1-2 pugs.(arround 2500 RIO all of us). I'm not the best Prot Warr, i still suck at using my defensives, but i get better day by day. I learn new things every now and then, and i always try my best. All my friends (especially the healer HPally and one of the dps Havoc DH told me to reroll to a Guardian Druid cuz it takes no damage. I know it's good, that's why pros use it. But i think i should be able with a decent comp to get at least to 2700 as prot aswell. Am i wrong ? We are under no circumstance a coordinated group, we still fuck up interrupts, the dps gets one-shotted by frontals, and somehow the healer thinks we could push easier if i was a Bear. I know all of Prot Warr's strengths and weaknesses, and i know that Bear just laughs in front of magic while Prot cries. Can you please share any thoughts? Thanks, and have a nice day!
chilly brook
Hello, guys! I've been lately trying to push above 20 keys with a group of frien...
Something something plka
calm obsidian
War is fine at the 2700 level. You guys will be 1000% better off learning to play better. You'd probably be inting the season trying to gear and learn bear at this point
It can be easier sometimes for sure, but it's not a free ride
chilly brook
Literally plenty of wars above 2700
Including up to 2950
Playing bear won't save you from things that are killing you in 20s because your team is doing something wrong or you are
Also bear doesn't really do much better against magic than we do
torpid saffron
I thought Bear is better against magic than Warr
sweet summit
other than being literally immortal during incarn they're fairly even
torpid saffron
So, i should be able to get to 2700 and even higher with a coordinated group, right ? π
sweet summit
oh for sure
torpid saffron
Awesome, thanks! Cheers, guys β€οΈ
patent osprey
Play what you love :) a passionate prot warrior will >>> a new bear any day
torpid saffron
Lovely, thanks for the motivation @patent osprey !
patent osprey
Trust @torpid saffron I went on my 202 Bear the other day and my team Def prefers my 255 Prot war :p
torpid saffron
202 Bear ? ahahahaha, i mean ofc they prefer your Warr. But if the Bear was 252 would they still prefer your Warr ?
sick sentinel
im only 1900 score my self
torpid saffron
I know you're one of the best Prot Warrs and theorycrafters out there, and i don't have near 1% the skill that you do.. but it seems to me that people just don't get it what is good about Bears. Outside Incarn Bears seem like a normal tank to me. With a bit more utility ofc, CR, Typhoon, Entangle, Soothe and so on.
patent osprey
I know you're one of the best Prot Warrs and theorycrafters out there, and i don...
Every tank has their positives and negatives. Sometimes the dungeons favor a certain tank or meta. But none of that matters as much as good solid play. There are all tank specs above 2900. Meta oy matters at the top top end of play and even then it's like maybe 1 or 2 keystone levels max
torpid saffron
Every tank has their positives and negatives. Sometimes the dungeons favor a cer...
Just the response i was looking for. Thank you from the deep of my soul! Respect and keep up the good job! β€οΈ
sick sentinel
yeah, its a journey man
if you truly want to get better, have to stick to your guns and try to take emotion out of the equation
your better than i am though currently
torpid saffron
if you truly want to get better, have to stick to your guns and try to take emot...
I'm trying to.. but everytime smth bad happens and it's not my fault
They keep saying that i should just reroll to a Guardian cuz it would make things easier
I even switched to my Hunter and pugged a Bear only to show them that it's not as OP as they think it is.
sick sentinel
sometimes, all you need when your stressed is just log in later that day or next day sleep on it
strong forum
They keep saying that i should just reroll to a Guardian cuz it would make thing...
Those people we call "beta cucks"
torpid saffron
Haven't heard about that term, but sounds funny tho π
strong forum
What's the point of reaching X goal with something you don't enjoy?
Ykno
Like I don't understand the mindset of choosing smth else just because it's perceived as easier or better
In no situation
sick sentinel
there are 2 tragedies in this world: Not gettting what you want, and Getting what you want
torpid saffron
Yeah, like that's the reason i'm playing Prot Warr, i even told them that i don't want to switch to Bear only cuz it's "good". I love everything about the class, and always did even when it was bad. I won't be a pro, i won't get to MDI, none of us will. We're just trying to have some fun and get some score to prove ourselves that we have the skill to achieve it through hard work.
strong forum
It's a video game, and especially right now every single tank can perform well into 28s
chilly brook
I'm trying to.. but everytime smth bad happens and it's not my fault
Sounds like your team is fucking up and blaming your class lol
strong forum
^
sick sentinel
prot warrior is the definition of "if you do it right......"
chilly brook
Them fucking up will get you killed even on a bear in 25s
sick sentinel
right now
teal swift
We are all guilty of playing suboptimally
sick sentinel
me i am playing bad
teal swift
We will brick keys. But that isn't out class.
torpid saffron
I guess it's about my pride of playing a not so "meta class" and proving myself that i can still do quite good.
strong forum
I've never died in a video game
teal swift
I like my bdk a lot