10.0 when
#protection
wild hemlock
strong forum
2023
wild hemlock
barf
pallid musk
2023 to be sure
inland raft
10.0: realitys edge we return to realize we were in a nzoth nightmare
sick sentinel
inland raft
The story twist being that wrve been trapped there aince cata
strong forum
10.0: realitys edge we return to realize we were in a nzoth nightmare
That is a real possibility
That theres gonna be a huge twist 10.0 of 11.0
sick sentinel
what if jailer takes over oribos and sends all the maw souls through oribos to icecrown thou?
blazing condor
i mean he took over oribos
ionic plank
the jailer already peaced out to korthia 2 though
blazing condor
he literally ganked the arbiter
ionic plank
i mean zerith mortis sorry
chilly brook
Hmmm
sick sentinel
icecrown just explodes set on fire ICC is totally demolished and dalarn is attacked or destroyed
chilly brook
I might be returning to being a good old prot boi
sick sentinel
the whole of northrend gets totally fucked up
that's something i'd be interested in
strong forum
I might be returning to being a good old prot boi
Save yourself while you can
sick sentinel
"Perhaps they'll come to their senses and run away as fast as they can!"
Turn back while there's still time!
inland raft
Its how they get our power back to basics thens out everything was a dream and out power level was just our mental fortitude growing as we fought against his influence
blazing condor
we wake up and we just got out of frostmourne during the icc encounter
bout to kill the lich king
rinse repeat
sick sentinel
well, if the jailer comes to azeroth and gives life to azeroth titan, corrupts it. erm, what then?
strong forum
Who knows
ionic plank
maybe the jailer unmakes reality and wow ends
blazing condor
:prayge
strong forum
The sword is still inside azeroth
So there must've been more happening besides just "lol azerite popped up"
jagged pier
Theres a sword inside azeroth?? No that was be a big polt point
blazing condor
azeroth got circumcised 
strong forum
Azeroth jewish
quaint rune
im pretty sure magni needs more azerit champion
blazing condor
since planets are basically titan-wombs does that mean blizz is pro-choice???
sick sentinel
sword = cocka
strong forum
uwu
inland raft
I mean real question is why are so bent on protecting the titan inside azeroth when its birth means death of every species on the planet?
Jailer is the real hero
sick sentinel
because a new titan you could shape into anything
ionic plank
I mean real question is why are so bent on protecting the titan inside azeroth w...
does it's birth mean that though
sick sentinel
and it has near unlimited power
blazing condor
honestly big possibility
sick sentinel
whatever happened to those doomsday end of the world south american volcano nuts from a few months ago???
inland raft
Hard to believe ahe isnt at least partially corrupted or even just gonna be a traumatized individual who lashes out
sick sentinel
did that settle down yet
blazing condor
that bitch has had more plagues on her than ur average hooker
inland raft
How much shit has ahe gone through?
blazing condor
old gods, sargeras, and dumb boomies
strong forum
She literally got torn a new one
strong forum
So she very well might have Sargeras essence inside her
Would be annoying to have legion 3.0
inland raft
Actually likely
strong forum
But realistic
inland raft
No way sword was just a last stab, that isnt blizzards way
strong forum
So he might be imprisoned
inland raft
Def more to it then that
blazing condor
we kinda just fucked off with the whole azerite thing tbh
like
the sword is still there
and she's still bleeding
blazing condor
did we?
strong forum
Yes
strong forum
We used the heart of azeroth to heal the wounds
inland raft
We basically cauterized the wound with foreign object still stuck inside
strong forum
^
inland raft
Pulling it out would mean reopening it
blazing condor
smart 🙂
inland raft
Bfa 2.0
strong forum
The beam we kill nzoth with is from the heart of azeroth chamber
The intermission phase during nzoth fight is inside the chamber to fend off corruption
strong forum
Well there was loads of times where we fought off corruption inside the heart chamber
inland raft
Azeroth at this point is as pure as jeff bezos
blazing condor
azerthot
inland raft
strong forum
But yeah, there's defo something unresolved with the sword
They can't just leave it lol
blazing condor
slut titans from pantyon
waxen cradle
lmao
strong forum
iirc it was also said that Azeroth is an immensely strong titan
Even if not even born
blazing condor
yeah im pretty sure its canon that she's like the boss
idk
dont recall
but basically thats why she can't be corrupted either cus then its gg
inland raft
I faintly remember something about sword being resolved in ahadowlands, plus that photo of jailer showed a azerite beam in background
strong forum
Photo?
Him chillin at the beach with sunglasses on and a drink in hand
Azerite beam in the background
Haven't been keeping up with lore
Like basically all of SL
inland raft
strong forum
Hmm
blazing condor
the jailer is so edgy lmao
blazing condor
this man used to be the arbiter or whatever thinkin he so cool with his skulls
eternity's end?
inland raft
When 3 year old draws the villian
strong forum
Eternitys end is the name of the patch
blazing condor
o
strong forum
The raid is I believe sepulchre of the first ones
blazing condor
dumb ass name
blazing condor
oh yeah we're 10/10m in SotFO
inland raft
Ya sepulcher
ionic plank
inland raft
Its practically guaranteed that zereth mortis is on azeroth at this point everything points to it
blazing condor
👽
waxen cradle
yeah timegated to tell the story.... "adequately" 
jagged pier
Looks like azerite behind him
blazing condor
D:
inland raft
Ya thats what said thats 100% azerite unless they are going to whole new levels of laziness with reuse of assets so quickly
blazing condor
its actually sepulcher-beams
strong forum
Achcychually it's reality essence
waxen cradle
🛡️
waxen cradle
sorry bro had to block it
slowly and carefully step away from the banner covenant and everything will be fine
otherwise we might have to prepare a intervention
sick sentinel
hell yeah
waxen cradle
uh.... incredible hulk but without the hulking out part ?
ionic plank
necro is fun :)
inland raft
Honestly of all cov abilities necro prob has most chance of getting added to out kit, given weve had banners before
And ya i actually do like necro
chilly brook
I gotta get that sick execute phase damage with banner
sick sentinel
i'm going dual rank 8 glory/rep for at least a few dungeons when 9.2 comes out and nobody can stop me
chilly brook
i'm going dual rank 8 glory/rep for at least a few dungeons when 9.2 comes out a...
It's a very real possibility this is going to be the meta tbh
sick sentinel
NF also i guess, kyrian, i hate venth though
sick sentinel
get healing, cd reduction, and (party?) buff uptime.
just for rage dumping, so the big problem will be how do we generate enough rage
BE torrent gives rage as well is a potential option
sick sentinel
yer, but to keep the banner going as long as possible
waxen cradle
the thing I am most interested in is to see how they rework or tune the covenant leggos to make us want to use them besides well having to do so to wear a second one
sick sentinel
it will really shine on tyranical with huge bosses
i dunno all the bosses like final bosses u lust at execute phase, TOP comes to mind when you go to shadow realm with charge ghosts
thought i heard banner was 6r/s
ionic plank
4 i think
mellow gorge
that's uh
strong forum
If you play Bolster
strong forum
But im not certain on that statement
sick sentinel
so, yeah, that's what i'm saying, you got whatever 400 mastery is for block value uptime through banner and rest of melees SB are crit blocks
then you take zero damage from melee and tunnel boss
strong forum
Well 400 mastery isn't gonna magically gonna make you critblock that much
mellow gorge
it's deffo not 100% crit block
strong forum
400 mastery is like 10%
mellow gorge
ye
so you get like, 30-40% depending on your mastery w banner
the upside is the AP increase from mastery
so more consistent dmg
sick sentinel
which was complaint i heard before, "hits like wet noodle"
median timber
anyone enjoying non kirian covs
or we still very keen on being spear bois most of the time
ionic plank
I think people like nf :)
crystal iris
NF is nice
inland raft
Ya i really like nf
mellow gorge
i enjoy kyrian too much 😦
median timber
why in comparision are prot peeps using nf over kirian
crystal iris
I used to hear "kyrian spear is nice because it helps Kite" but we always use spear on pull
median timber
and what soulbind yall using
inland raft
12 second lockdown and big dps if taking korayn, solid dps and super tanky if take niya
crystal iris
Korayn gives you first strike which boosts crit by 25% for 5s when damaging a new enemy
mellow gorge
you see
crystal iris
and ya the AA stun over 12s is niceee
sick sentinel
there is no soothes in mists right? pretty sure
sick sentinel
i think maybe the bugs at end?
mellow gorge
flurry bois in the maze
inland raft
The beauty of prot is both kyrian and nf are top notch choices
crystal iris
what about necro? xD
sick sentinel
yeah, well, those are just "don't stand in that" guys
mellow gorge
oh ye
crystal iris
as the tank i think you have to stand in that lol
mellow gorge
dedicated groups will have necro prot
crystal iris
you guys in the mood to look over a log?
sick sentinel
100p skrilla on a stack, only reason im going venth is cuz they got a shield i need
sick sentinel
i'm about to push 14 mist
crystal iris
After your help yesterday ive been practicing a bit. ran a 17SD. first 2 pulls were rough i wasnt paying attention to shield block but after that I think i did pretty well. Didnt take much damage after that
crystal iris
yeah prot warr kyrian since monk is necro
inland raft
Looking at top groups doesnt tell whole story
chilly brook
did you get bit by a simp? i heard it's contagious
I'm just preparing for the reality that we might be playing Necro next tier
ionic plank
it's nice to be able to play multiple covs when you pug
brittle owl
:weirdge:
ionic plank
free invites when you say you have the cov they need
crystal iris
anything stand out as really bad?
chilly brook
If we're being honest Glory is probably the most powerful covenant legendary
chilly brook
anything stand out as really bad?
Let me look
inland raft
5 second look says kinda a lot of ips
crystal iris
Ive been working on recording but I was a bit embarassed by some of my gameplay there. Ill find one where I do well so that I can focus on improving things im not aware of
ionic plank
you could cast reflect more and demo shout very slightly more
crystal iris
IpS?
ionic plank
also you only used scale 4 times
by the looks of it
even if you dont need it defensively it does good damage
crystal iris
yeah think so
ionic plank
should use it as much as possible
crystal iris
I think I need to use SW and scale more often
i tend to forget about scale until Im low HP
hell i should use LS more too even just for offense
sick sentinel
us necro glory/rep pwar, ret paladin, nf https://www.wowhead.com/spell=337638/vanguards-momentum
ionic plank
scale is nice snap aggro too
sick sentinel
probably monk and rogue/hunter/dk
ionic plank
does a big chunk
you can charge in, revenge and pop scale and you're chilling for aggro p much
sick sentinel
execute buff bros
ionic plank
IpS?
ignore pain#
not how you wanna be spending your rage unless you're rage capping
usually
ionic plank
so i guess cast everything more apart from ignore pain, cast that less
other than that looks good
xd
crystal iris
here i was trying to hit it only when i had literally too much rage gen to dump with revenge
chilly brook
@crystal iris 78% blocked hits seems like it could be a lot higher
crystal iris
yeah I think the first hallway i ate a lot of hits
ionic plank
I feel like around 80% is p good without HR
crystal iris
and the last gauntlet i didnt bother with it when it was just the 2 dogs on me
ionic plank
but always the higher the better
sick sentinel
i went back to using HR for keys, i just like it more atm
chilly brook
I feel like around 80% is p good without HR
Could definitely be higher than 80% with reprisal
lofty widget
damage taken, and then hover over the "hits" category for melee
ionic plank
shows 78.01 to me
jagged pier
Someone yesterday showed 90% with just rep, its do abke but far to much effort my best was 88% if your 80%+ with just reprisal u are doing it right
crystal iris
oh i was hovering over amount
jagged pier
Nah u hover over hits
crystal iris
cant block a miss haha
crystal iris
I much prefer intervene to the whole leap out charge back in
inland raft
I use both, or even just tclap and move out while targeting mob in the back, can usually get charge off while barely moving the pack
crystal iris
but with spitefuls i found i could charge to a far spites easily
chilly brook
Even if you're not blocking with it, you should hit it on CD for the free damage and rage
lofty widget
you can also use shockwave/stormbolt to get some distance to mobs
crystal iris
wouldnt it be nice to be able to run stormbolt haha
I feel like I need the charge charges
chilly brook
You should
sick sentinel
i was sold on bolt in BFA but not in SL
lofty widget
you can
blazing condor
DT gang
chilly brook
Depending
sick sentinel
i hate storm bolt now
chilly brook
If your group doesnt have a lot of prio stuns, stormbolt is super valuable
crystal iris
i just imported pikas bit intervene WA haha
does it show how many pulls I did?
44 casts of intervene has to be more than 1 per pull no?
chilly brook
Charge casts could definitely be more but I'm not going to harp on that because it's harder to do depending on the situation
chilly brook
44 casts of intervene has to be more than 1 per pull no?
44 casts means you kept it on CD for 22 minutes of the dungeon
lofty widget
does it show how many pulls I did?
27 pulls, click the "bosses and trash" at the top to get a dropdown of all the pulls
jagged pier
Intevene cd is 30 secs u can get 2 a min
chilly brook
And it's a 36 minute dungeon
crystal iris
yeah if pulls last 1 min each though?
chilly brook
So 14 minutes of it being ready and not being used
crystal iris
But i get the idea I should have made better / more use of reprisal
chilly brook
It's not an exact measurement but it's also basically not being used 1/3rd of the time you're in there
lofty widget
you can use intervene at the start of a pull to get it on cd and get 2-3 casts off in a 1 min pull
chilly brook
^
crystal iris
ahh
thats a good tip actually because generally i was saving it to bridge gaps
so i would hang on to it until my charge/regular charges of SB were used
whats the max time on SB? just so I dont overcap
lofty widget
18 seconds
crystal iris
kk
jagged pier
Sir
crystal iris
more defensives, more scale, more charge and intervene
strong forum
10% overcapping is bad
crystal iris
never said that haha I coudnt revenge fast enough in there
jagged pier
U should also be casting SW and LS far mpre often
strong forum
Ya you didn't but loads of others have
crystal iris
I was spamming the shit out of it and apparently lots of ip haha
strong forum
Where they felt rage starved and stuff like that
crystal iris
yeah haha
crystal iris
between spear, ravager and the free reprisal procs with chargng and intervene on pull i literally couldnt revenge fast enough
lofty widget
is cpm calculated over the entire dungeon? so also when youre not fighting anything?
sweet summit
start to finish
crystal iris
once ravager runs out i was taking it easier on the revenge spam, and boss fights
strong forum
Keep in mind revenge can also reset SS
crystal iris
thats cool to hear though bc less IP and more revenge means more damage and i was pretty happy with 6.5k compared to yesterday
I dont have time to use SS until after ravager finishes anyway right?
for that 11s im mashing rev
jagged pier
U can use IP to dumb rage to SS
Just dont go below 30 rage when SB is about to fall off
crystal iris
should i be SS if there are more than 3 mobs?
chilly brook
thats a good tip actually because generally i was saving it to bridge gaps
Get it on CD
strong forum
Because of the constant chance to reset SS with your next button press again
chilly brook
You're adding to your active shield block time
In a key theres not a whole lot of "wasted" shield block casts
crystal iris
fair point for the intervene thing
chilly brook
So just smash it on CD
crystal iris
its kind of a balance then?
like you could either blast revenge or SS but have to use IP to not overcap
chilly brook
Try to keep shield slam on CD
Slam the fuck out of revenge in aoe and when you have huge influx of rage
crystal iris
I was leaving it to cast more revenges to not overcap eith SB and IP up already
crystal iris
so its better to SS but have to dump with IP than to just revenge?
chilly brook
It depends but kinda
crystal iris
I guess theres always a priority target anyway
crystal iris
alright thanks for the help again
Ill practice some more and send a video im happy with at some point
crystal iris
well like the one I just ran
I deleted the video because i knew the mistakes I was making first pulls by forgetting SB haha
I as too focused on grouping idk i was late on it
then bron pulled the room with incinerator that was spicy
Ill find one that im happy with because then you guys can give me advice that I dont already know youknow? If i finish a fun with 4 SW casts and 1 LS i know to use them more. If i do a good run in my head thats when I want the pointers that I cant see for myself 😛
chilly brook
👍
sick sentinel
is bron social or nah
like, what if he decides to go after some caster patrol, just tanks him where it over laps in another patrol, GG, (NW bonestorm guy maybe)
blazing condor
he wont really attack stuff on his own thats not in the pull
but mobs can pull on his presence
sick sentinel
haven't had that key yet but i'm reading major stonks in SD with the venth jars
oblique garnet
Bron doesnt go on invis
so bron needs to be cancelled
Bron can also fuck up some kicks
odd tree
i've learned that the hard way. skipping the lubricators in mechagon wing and having bron heal me mid skip was nice
lofty widget
Is there some weakaura you can use to dismiss bron? Similar to totems
odd tree
must be a macro
sick sentinel
so, you can't do lock gate in mists any more and if monk does incap rop that puts you in combat?
is what i was told and then key depleted
lofty widget
Lock skip still works
sick sentinel
the lock told me it was patched out
hes apparently maybe 2kio, says "so." "you can't portal here anymore"
odd tree
i did it twice yesterday
lofty widget
Would have to have been patched today then
sick sentinel
then i said okay banish, cuz i know that works, monk did incap rop hunter went beserk about its going to pull in combat so we argued about it i pulled and deplete
monk was telling him he didn't know how to think
odd tree
doesn't monk have to cc then ring of peace it away?
idk, feel like i always have a DH or lock in there
lofty widget
Yeah but if they hit the ring badly they get combat
sick sentinel
mellow gorge
paralysis*
sick sentinel
this is the moment they were all bitching about
sick sentinel
so, who is the idiot in this case
mellow gorge
the hunter
worst case scenario you pull the pack
and don't need to do one in the last area
this isn't prideful season
sick sentinel
i know banish and mind sooth both work fantastic
odd tree
you had a priest?
sick sentinel
that's so strange to me that we had all the meta things brez nightfae and all and still couldn't skip it
sick sentinel
picrel happened and hunter went apeshit
pull it now its going to aggro combat were in combat
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
he called us imbred monkyes
mellow gorge
but here's what's dumb
it's not a necessary skip
just do the pack, and skip one before the third boss
it's a bit dumb how they think the routes are now non flexible
sick sentinel
every mists key ive ever done always skipped that pack
median timber
can someone hit me up with their niya soulbind tree
sick sentinel
oh well, thats too funny
mellow gorge
prideful made people PTSD of routes
1 thing goes wrong
bam, they think key is gone
oblique garnet
thats the wrong place for gate
oblique garnet
Is there some weakaura you can use to dismiss bron? Similar to totems
Just cancelaura on the buff
sick sentinel
yeah, i know, its right after you kill the first 2 small packs
you point it into the y the tree
this spot
distant crystal
nah it's fine
if you do it properly
hunter traps, walks by first, gets in combat
everyone else runs after
hunter feigns
sick sentinel
hunter did ice trap and we walked max distance, still came
distant crystal
yes, you did it wrong
but...you had a priest in there too so you can just soothe and walk by normally
distant crystal
if a mob is cc'd with a fake cc (not sap/imprison) then they will get in combat with the first player that gets in range
but none after that
so you can sheep, mage gets combat, rest follow after, mage invises
or trap, hunter gets combat, rest follow, hunter feigns
sick sentinel
okay, so, then which are the S tier skips for this pack
distant crystal
same principal as the old sap/blind skips
sick sentinel
i want the skip that never breaks
distant crystal
priest mind soothe, rogue/dh sap/imprison, or warlock gate through the wall
those are the most foolproof
but they keep building better fools
primal hearth
I’ve done the monk and warlock skips in there 100 times, def work and priest is probably the easiest… just funny that you had 4 classes capable of skipping and it was rip’ed
sick sentinel
well, oh well, monk was super madge about who the hell knows
distant crystal
is the monk skip just, incap + RoP to push it out of combat range?
distant crystal
that works but it's kinda time sensitive
primal hearth
Yes, but you have to place the rop correctly
distant crystal
since the guy bounces a few times then goes back to his spot
and yeah you have to RoP it far enough away
distant crystal
center of rop should be basically on top of where the mob spawns
just slightly to the right
but yeah i'd never use that in a party with a priest
primal hearth
You can like put it in top of the mob, the edge of the ring should be on top of the mob after you paralysis
distant crystal
cause mindsoothe is too free
gaunt dawn
hunter did ice trap and we walked max distance, still came
Hunter skip doesnt work like that
a CC'd mob goes in combat with the first person in range
this should be the hunter
so, the hunter traps
the hunter runs past
the group runs past
the hunter feigns
nobody is in combat
same works for mage poly + invis
distant crystal
you can also do this with any combo of CC + nightelf
used to do it often with incap + meld on my monk
modern brook
so, you can't do lock gate in mists any more and if monk does incap rop that put...
gate works fine
sweet summit
yes
sick sentinel
or monk knew what he was talking about, just gunna go S tier skip next time
sweet summit
well, the gate is not supposed to go there as Late pointed out
sick sentinel
it seems like lock got way too close to wall, needed to back up and thought it got patched
modern brook
so, the warlock going first here screwed us?
yeah thats not the gate
the gate goes over the wall that has OAKEN ASSEMBLY over it on the map
i believe we can also heroic leap there and let the DPS figure out how to get across without pullin
spiral warren
That’s a tight leap
sweet summit
not really
modern brook
That’s a tight leap
honestly you're probably looking at / im probably describing the wrong spot then
I can grab a screen shot of it later
strong forum
the leap is fine, just gonna zoom your camera
spiral warren
Oh you can leap that side ?
strong forum
and angle it
distant crystal
if you're like facing the wall that you run along to the left for the normal priest/rogue/dh skip
it's to your right
spiral warren
You can leap those mobs tho too right?
That’s what I was thinking about
I did not know you clean leap the gate spot
sweet summit
sec
spiral warren
Like the mob you soothe / imprison I thought I remember reading / watching a video where you can leap on that side and not pull aggro but it was right
modern brook
i mean
spiral warren
I may be remembering wrong but 🤷♂️
modern brook
You can also leap on that side the same way you can walk on that side
still requires a CC etc
spiral warren
I might be misremembering then. Cause I swear I remember reading / hearing that you can leap that mob without a Cc along the wall it’s just tight
sweet summit
warlock gate works at the exact same spot too
mellow gorge
ah ty
sweet summit
can't be better than that smh
modern brook
like the one to 2nd boss NW too
i thought hat was a big invis-o-wall
mellow gorge
wait you can leap to the 2nd boss in NW?
strong forum
you can jump from the pillar
mellow gorge
what kind of leaping magic is this
strong forum
and then leap
sweet summit
you can leap from the pillar over to the boss area
strong forum
midair
sweet summit
yeah
sweet summit
if you fuck it up you will pull a pack tho 
mellow gorge
by having people piggyback on a mount
mellow gorge
sad
strong forum
people fall off
you cant passengermount over the wall anymore
afaik
you used to be able to on the goliath
sweet summit
not in NW i think, no
modern brook
the spires mount piggy back is a 2head thing tbh
strong forum
but they kinda fixed that
passenger mount is safer than somebody being unable to jump
modern brook
the games rated t for teen and these fuckers cant jump smh
strong forum
this game isnt even rated for teens anymore
have you seen the fruit
FEMALE BODIES
ARE ILLEGAL
HIDE EVERYTHING
strong forum
yeah
modern brook
them scouring boobies from the game just makes it more realistic for its player base 😏
modern brook
WTB ONE (1) TIDDY [chinese letters]
strong forum
okay watching this key makes me wanna troll only a tiny bit in keys
but im like 10ilvl behind jakey so i cba too
ionic fern
What key?
ionic fern
Haha,that's a good picture.
jagged pier
That is a good pic KEKW
sick sentinel
look at this quad charge tho
mellow bridge
Yeah
On the other hand, the data mined brm one is horrid
2p decent effect but incredibly boring and 4p legitimately worthless
sweet summit
no
patent osprey
2 pc - Thunderclap does BFA damage
4 pc - AM becomes Baseline and affects Last Stand Again
knotty vortex
sweet summit
:/
ocean yoke
Protection Warrior Tier Set Bonuses in Patch 9.2
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Protection Warrior Patch 9.2 Tier Bonus Outburst
- Consuming 30 rage grants a stack of Outburst, upon reaching 8 stacks of Outburst your next Shield Slam or Thunder Clap are 200% more effective, or your next Ignore Pain is 50% more effective.
- Avatar increases your damage dealt by an additional 10% and decreases damage taken by 10%. Avatar instantly grants 8 stacks of Outburst.
mellow bridge
Interesting
sweet summit
200% increased SS damage
mellow bridge
I like the 4p giving Avatar defensive value again
urban portal
does thunderclap actually do damage now
mellow bridge
And actually having a choice of what to do with the procc is very nice
I think I like this design
I have no idea about the numbers but I like the idea
sweet summit
idk
minor helm
wait
sweet summit
seems like you just press SS over TC anyway
sweet summit
the 4set is very nice though
ocean yoke
mucho slam
urban portal
brew's set doesnt do anything offensively
unless im missing something?
while ours is pretty offensive
with a minor defensive on avatar
well not minor
lofty widget
Soo is it fair to assume "more effective" also affects rage gain?
late rampart
what kind of uptime on avatar do we get in m+ with CDR talent. Anybody know?
sweet summit
Soo is it fair to assume "more effective" also affects rage gain?
rage gain and TC slow
yeah
(i assume)
proven tartan
brews 4 set is also ass probably gonna tune it alot
mellow bridge
what kind of uptime on avatar do we get in m+ with CDR talent. Anybody know?
You have it about every 45s
sweet summit
what is it 20% base?
lofty widget
Yeah, 30 with talent. So 60/90%?
shut summit
🤢
oblique garnet
does thunderclap actually do damage now
No
patent osprey
AM looking kinda lit
deft vortex
Prolly want to take anger management now in M+ with that 4 set bonus
patent osprey
rip 100% sb uptime :(
oblique garnet
wait what else would you play in m+ lul
oblique garnet
yeah but who does high keys besides you 
patent osprey
sadge
bright jolt
deft vortex
bright jolt
banana= prot .....monke = high keys
oblique garnet
might become cringe high key pusher next season when prot will be fotm
sweet summit
not going for title this season Late?
oblique garnet
had irl stuff to do so got replaced
deft vortex
deft vortex
Blizz: let's just break incarnation morr
sweet summit
huh?
oblique garnet
looks fucking nuts
The big dam prot tech incoming next season 
sick sentinel
IP +50% ns
sweet summit
no
sick sentinel
you don't want to run around with 200k worth of shield as necro?
viral garden
I'm going to be sad not using Heavy Repercussions in 9.2. I'll miss the high shield block uptime.
oblique garnet
idk you will still have high sb uptime with reprisal....
sweet summit
Isn't bark like 30s CD with the talent and conduit?
ish yeah
mellow bridge
32s CD atm apparently
And conduits will for sure to up again next patch
So a bit less than that
sick sentinel
well, and i think its more about blocking large hits rather than blocking little hits
mellow bridge
That's nuts
Meanwhile VDH one is basically just more aoe dmg on a class that already has very good aoe and lackluster ST
With negligible defensive gain
sick sentinel
i mean, block time up all the time and you get hit by overpower and it deletes you don't really matter that you had 95% uptime/blocked attacks
inland raft
who at blizzards main bear cuz seems to be the winners here, but ours isnt terrible at leat the 4 piece
viral garden
I just preferred the playstyle more, I like buff management
sick sentinel
warrior fine
oblique garnet
warrior broken
mellow bridge
Idk
Pally and guardian ones look busted
Ours looks strong
VDH weird, brew is crying rn
So basically the best (in m+ at least) are just getting stronger as it stands right now lol
sick sentinel
i think warrior will be fin tank
mellow bridge
All tanks will be fine for almost anything
oblique garnet
dont think any tank will come close to warriors damage in m+ next patch
even if pala and guardian have better set bonuses
mellow bridge
Both VDH and pally will do more at it stands currently pretty sure
The infinite immo aura is nuts for dh
mellow bridge
What
oblique garnet
seismic broken
sick sentinel
might only get like 30% ap from having 1050/1200mastery instead of 71 i was thinking
tender imp
noone will run seismic on serious key level
mellow bridge
Okay sure if you're talking about meme keys where you can play seismic lol
oblique garnet
you can play seismic in 20s
sturdy sable
oblique garnet
also reprisal is still ahead of pala and vdh in damage
and gives our tankiness
that paired with kyrian or nf lego
potent anvil
oblique garnet
nop
ocean yoke
that blood dk one looks like it could be really nice
sick sentinel
lame, have to spend 240 rage
thats like, a ton of globals and SB ip
ahhh SS also
mellow bridge
I don't think you understand how busted the VDH one is rn in pure dmg lmao
It gives you a permanent 10 stack GI immo aura
Immo aura alone will do more dmg than everything else they do combined
sick sentinel
thats feelsbad that they are like "oh fuck prot" and then we get a kinda meh generic filler thing LOL
urban portal
With negligible defensive gain
it keeps your immo aura up to spread fiery brands
thats the difference
mellow bridge
You can't spread fb continuously anyways
It's capped
The increased immo aura duration doesn't change anything
It does allow one to take fb spread with spb builds however since you don't need to take fallout anymore
urban portal
then yeah its 0 defense
sick sentinel
if you take 10% hp out of the equation, what is the issue that stops NS from being better than indom, bubble doesn't last long enough or protect enough?
urban portal
if you take 10% hp out of the equation, what is the issue that stops NS from bei...
by the time NS becomes good, the fact that IP only mitigates 50% cucks you really hard
im fairly sure if 10% hp is gone from indom you would take iv for survival
ocean yoke
yeah if youre that low a slightly bigger IP wont be saving you
urban portal
and IP isnt very big in the first place
sick sentinel
i see it for around 16k usualyl
sick sentinel
i want to say thats the biggest i've seen it in a dungeon, but probably 20 some k
mellow bridge
Well it's 0.1souls/s per target
Even with blind faith that's just not a whole lot lmao
sick sentinel
so, i dunno if that would stack, and you'd have to be waiting on 8 OB (outburst) stacks or ava and lowhp to get some triple IP crap aint worth it
ocean yoke
definitely gonna be better to go for more effective shield slam
sick sentinel
with giga buffs in combat in dungeon
urban portal
i would rather spend it on tclap for sure
ocean yoke
use the extra rage to ip anyway smile
oblique garnet
wont catch me pressing ip unless im about to cap rage
sick sentinel
it might not be 16k , i could be imagining shit 100%
ocean yoke
im assuming it is since it just says more effective
urban portal
my weapon is dogshit tho
ocean yoke
i figure if they meant just damage it would just say damage
oblique garnet
1.5x iirc
urban portal
it stacks 3time i think
oblique garnet
maybe they changed it in sl
sick sentinel
i dunno, there is something very basic and simple about "guy with sheild and sword"
it just fuckin works
urban portal
yeah 2x
sick sentinel
any game type or whatever that guy is usually a total chad
maiden ravine
So Anger Management forever?
sick sentinel
trying to figure out how to delete something on wago so i can upload new
cinder nova
Unless you're doing high mythic raiding or 23+ keys
median timber
So what do we think about the tier set
ocean yoke
shield slam go brrr
obtuse monolith
Ava + BV + Outburst is going to be strong single burst every minute or so. Plus EM.
If Prot PVP were a thing it might be fun there too
viral garden
Do is the consensus that kyrian will be the default still?
urban portal
Don't see why not
obtuse monolith
I don’t know what the consensus is, but if soulbinds aren’t changing and we’re dualing cov lego with normal lego, it’s what I’d lean to.
Glory? Sinful? NF? Doesn’t have the strength of something like EM + Seismic + 4P
mighty valley
gonna go back to being a suboptimal venthyr prot warrior hipster, at least no one can say sinful has literally no defensive benefit now
mighty valley
can't imagine reprisal getting beat, except for meme m+ dps
would have to be some real tuning changes
obtuse monolith
Wall grants extra rage, right? Might synergize a bit with AM and Outburst. Been a bit for me
mighty valley
The total rage gen + savings from reprisal kinda blows it outta the water
tender imp
in m+ reprisal is just better
urban portal
Wall grants extra rage, right? Might synergize a bit with AM and Outburst. Been ...
So does reprisal
Reprisal is 20 rage per charge and has benefits outside of it
obtuse monolith
Right now 💯. But 2P and 4P are based on rage spent. Rage saved on block from Reprisal can only be spent so fast without IP dumping
tender imp
charge gives rage
and the revenge proc should count as rage spent too (not sure on this one tho)
mighty valley
if revenge is free it won't count as spending rage
mighty valley
but rage dumped into ip is still rage spent
yeah, i like the idea of blocking and throwing a revenge hammer
not enough to play paladin, but still cool
tender imp
pala one is nutty, u will get so much more holy power and stuff
i think personally the warr one is pretty meh defensively
offensively sure but ye
10% dr u wont notice
chilly brook
This is better than I could have hoped for
tender imp
on avatar
chilly brook
i think personally the warr one is pretty meh defensively
who cares about survivability
we don't need more
tender imp
i care
mighty valley
avatar uptime is really high with am, 10% dr is honestly a lot
ocean yoke
the dr is nice but just a small little cherry on top of our damage and presumably rage gen
mighty valley
you don't "feel" armor gains either but they're an enormous part of why ilvl gains are good
tender imp
yes thats the idea of sets, u get stuff for free
ocean yoke
me gusta free things
tender imp
pala one is far better defensively
ocean yoke
assuming they get holy power for the free judgements in dungeons theyll crank pretty hard
no idea about the defensiveness other than all that block chance is pretty fat
chilly brook
pala one is far better defensively
paladins are blocking around 33% of hits rn
so you bump that by 12%
so charitably we'll say it goes to 45%
chilly brook
u already have 45% block right now as pala
looking at logs
so this fight on the nine it's only going to be like 7 holy power
ocean yoke
sounds like itll be a lot better for them in m+ compared to raid by a lot
chilly brook
it'll scale in multi target for sure
ocean yoke
just from sheer number of blocked hits
tender imp
obviously the set is a lot weaker on a single enemy boss
sick sentinel
avatar 30% dmg and increases first SS by 100%, fuck yeah, i can live with that
set bonus or no
ocean yoke
our set seems kinda better than the other warrior ones tbh
chilly brook
our set seems kinda better than the other warrior ones tbh
Fury one is huge
Arms seems meh to the max
timber cloud
venthyr fury going to actually have 100% reck uptime i feel
ocean yoke
oh hell yeah
ocean yoke
when in doubt em with the thicc shield slam
chilly brook
Especially considering Fury got a buff to Hack and Slash meaning lots of Raging Blow resets
And more reck feeds back into that
ocean yoke
the arms in my group has already said he might look to go fury or class swap lol
he also swaps most tiers anyway
chilly brook
Arms one just seems super weird
sick sentinel
just be that one guy
1h shield arms signet,
pull 8k dps during burst windows spam slam
sweet summit
did u see the destro one lol
fast knot
A lot of the DPS classes have pretty solid bonuses
ocean yoke
the destro one could be bonkers lmao
urban portal
venthyr fury going to actually have 100% reck uptime i feel
They already do
chilly brook
did u see the destro one lol
seems like nerf bait
urban portal
Its like 90 something with am
sick sentinel
Hunter (Beast Mastery)
2-piece – Your Kill Command critical strike chance is increased for each stack of Frenzy your pet has.
4-piece – Kill Command critical hits increase the damage and cooldown reduction of your next Cobra Shot.
bro,
urban portal
Within some variance it would be 100
sick sentinel
did they even play BM hunter, this shit is stupid change lol
sweet summit
it's already 100% during condemn windowns with AM
sweet summit
urban portal
Last time I played venth it was on 15 haste
ocean yoke
speedy boi
sick sentinel
just trust me when i say, in 8.3 at least, all you ever do as BM hunter is a few moves and KC was one of them
chilly brook
The blood set is so underwhelming
sick sentinel
cobra shot was definitlely another and they both hit pretty hard from what i can recall
chilly brook
in keys ye
I'm just thinking it doesn't seem to help them much in the damage department
which is what they need
sick sentinel
yeah, thats your entire move set for BM hunter: cobra, kill, barbed, wrath, multishot
urban portal
I thought the heart strike on parry is insane
sick sentinel
i don't know nothin about dk really
i wonder if MDI will take advantage of gnome warrior because it can have 110 rage, when this all comes out
urban portal
nah
if you never cap rage then the dfiference between 100 and 110 rage doesnt matter
and theres no excuse to cap rage
sick sentinel
its that or BE for torrent,