Good luck guys!
#protection
ionic fern
patent osprey
I tried ITF last night and Mwahi called me a traitor T_T
mellow gorge
tbf
near perma 10% haste
is not bad
but ravager is fun and i like my swirly mug
sick sentinel
Why does no one like to interrupt in keys 
In almost all my keys, I'm doing 3x the amount of interrupting than everyone else
jagged pier
thats about normal for pugs
strong forum
cuz dps be big dumbo
sick sentinel
And if I miss 1 important interrupt it cripples the group
lofty widget
it doesnt add to their dps
sick sentinel
Its so cringe
jagged pier
it doesnt add to their dps
it does if they a dh
strong forum
it does if you pick the anime power
ionic fern
I tried ITF last night and Mwahi called me a traitor T_T
You are a traitor. 😦
lofty widget
demon hunters c ant read
sick sentinel
2 button rotation
urban portal
every class has a 1 button rotation if you know how clickable WAs work
strong forum
brittle owl
that's the most beautiful 1 head thing i ever saw being written
brittle owl
rekt
strong forum
i can find his forum stuff tho
his famous quote is "mitigation only makes you harder to kill, it doesnt increase your survivability"
mellow bridge
mitigation only makes you harder to kill, it doesnt increase your survivability
god bless his soul
strong forum
Don't drink the mushrooms! They bite!
jagged pier
blazing condor
modern brook
"Finally"
mellow gorge
ok that is true
brittle owl
his famous quote is "mitigation only makes you harder to kill, it doesnt increas...
but that dude is just retarded
he's like that comboosh kid in bfa
tropic gorge
ugh its so annoying the decanter of endless howling keeps appearing in my vault as prot spec
sick sentinel
i got the lfr one, never used it, have a few other trinkets that give healing, both on demand and random
autumn pendant
his famous quote is "mitigation only makes you harder to kill, it doesnt increas...
I got you fam
sick sentinel
if i can manage to render if would you guys be interested in watching where i 2 chested a 13 PF with glory pugs?
it stil has the clown noises, but those are gone as of like, yesterday this weekend sometime i ditched them
teal swift
Anyone here able to help with something addon related?
sweet summit
if there is anyone with more screenshots it will be @autumn pendant
mellow bridge
do it
autumn pendant
Anyone here able to help with something addon related?
Ask away
mellow bridge
please
tropic gorge
lol post more i would like to read that
autumn pendant
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Arcana The Wise? I thought not. It’s not a story Skyhold would tell you. It’s an occupational therapist legend. Arcana was a fury warrior, so powerful and so wise he could use his narrative feel to determine what was best for the arms warriors… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even mitigate the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the warrior is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his friends at Skyhold everything he knew, then they ganked him when his mitigation was down. Ironic. He could mitigate others from death, but not himself.
sweet summit
KEKL
mellow bridge
LMAO
modern brook
Narrative feel is such a vibe tbh
sweet summit
i will allow you to post two more
teal swift
Ask away
Aight, so
Is there a way to allow ELVUI to share keybinds with another addon?
If i bind it for my addon, it unbinds in elvuio
unless i use local key=
but then i cant customize the bind in game
autumn pendant
I am not aware of that, sorry, i dont use elvui
But if nobody will reply here try #ui-addons-manager
teal swift
It conflicts with any keybind in general
Only reason i want to do this, is so that others can use the addon, cause as of now, its set up for my keybinds in the code, which isnt very kosher for sharing
distant crystal
I don't follow
distant crystal
do you just need to make your addon stop hijacking people's keybinds? should be able to just not set them by default and make that part of the initial setup?
tropic gorge
that is amazing
lofty widget
does anyone know if the last boss in halls has some hidden threat reset? had a melee dps die randomly after the second ritual of woe
blazing condor
does anyone know if the last boss in halls has some hidden threat reset? had a m...
nope it doesnt have any of that, check the death log or details
either they got hit by statue, frontal, aoe circle or healer couldnt heal the soaks
mighty valley
or misclicked taunt lmao
blazing condor
granted i haven't played wow in 2 months so maybe there's some bug right now i wouldnt know of
but ive never experienced that at all
lofty widget
it just sucks since it cost us the key with 4 seconds 😄
lofty widget
i did
trail bramble
He intervened the tank like 4 seconds before he died
lofty widget
yep, im an idiot
snow path
I just made a warrior I plan on playing arms but I’m powerleveling through dungeons atm as prot is it easier to build rage as u get higher level?
I have a hard time just getting the beginner rage to start aoe for agro
It’s only lvl 14 atm though I mean obviously not the best rank
blazing condor
I just made a warrior I plan on playing arms but I’m powerleveling through dunge...
It gets easier with level especially with higher haste. When leveling you can take War Machine to get more rage
snow path
alright
sick sentinel
what is the rage gain from autos anyway
snow path
bad 😄
sick sentinel
2 rage
so instead of 2 rage per auto i can make 3..... zzzt, movement speed nice for leveling, feels like that should be 5 rage per auto for being talent? but what do i know
dusky mica
they should remove it and bring warbringer back
cinder nova
Is there any reason healers are struggling this week? Greivous feels like a non-affix if your healer is good and an absolutely nightmare if they're bad.
snow path
Not gonna lie even in the low dungeons I’m running my warrior in full tank heirlooms and healers are bad atm lol
Leveling mine up atm
plucky ember
I still had some scuffed moments, but got the M Sylv kill. Thanks for the critiques and tips and I've been digging through your all's logs to plot CDs all of last 2 weeks.
woven laurel
Is there any reason healers are struggling this week? Greivous feels like a non-...
i agree greivous does feel extra hard this week for some reason
woven laurel
how do i see SB uptime in logs?
chilly brook
pog
woven laurel
nvm found it
distant crystal
a better thing to look at is dmg taken melees blocked %
urban portal
i agree greivous does feel extra hard this week for some reason
grievous week is hard for tanks that have it easy on nec weeks
except bear
they broken
urban portal
it is
but they have it slightly harder on nec weeks
they are basically opposite of each other
nec vs grievous
unless you play on a custom server that ran both affixes on first week
in classic m+
woven laurel
a better thing to look at is dmg taken melees blocked %
ok cool thanks
urban portal
disturbingly unplayable
woven laurel
could anyone review this log for me and tell me how i did and if there is anything i can improve on?
distant crystal
69% block rate
nice...but also a little low
I think you can get in the 90 range
but from dmg meters it looks like you're using a lot of rage on revenges 😏
woven laurel
lmao
gotta pump the damage meters
feel like sometiems its still on cd what shoudl i do then?
ocean yoke
I still had some scuffed moments, but got the M Sylv kill. Thanks for the critiq...
hell yeah get it brother
mighty valley
feel like sometiems its still on cd what shoudl i do then?
it's just about maximizing reprisal and making sure you aren't using a lot of block uptime when you're not taking hits
woven laurel
ok thanks
glacial flint
no OWS and no scale.. but at least the shard... but sooo many trinkets 
glacial flint
Complaining about not having ows/scale while having shard/matrix.
after 18 hc clears + vaults ?
ionic fern
Yes?
brittle owl
why would you want scale to begin with
jagged pier
☝️
distant skiff
Hello i'm in a dilemma :
blazing condor
What you got rn
distant skiff
i've the same shield in 236 and the scale with 242
both can be upgraded with valor
blazing condor
Take shield
sweet summit
do you have access to tarragrue mythic
distant skiff
do you have access to tarragrue mythic
i dont do MM raiding so i guess not
blazing condor
Shield is gonna be bis rest of patch where as scale is usually replaced with other trinkets
sweet summit
take shield
distant skiff
even if it's crit vers ? haste mastery is the same ?
distant skiff
well thx for the advices
blazing condor
Big shield
mellow gorge
already got a 252 one w leech
pallid musk
I never tanked in Grievous as warrior. Any good advice how to survive this? Execpt SB uptime
mellow gorge
eat food after each fight
try to not take avoidable dmg or else grievous stacks will hurt
that's about it
sweet summit
healer affix 
pallid musk
Thanks, i’ll restock with shit food then
sweet summit
not much more to do. mage food op
but also
don't wait 30 sec between pulls
that's cringe
pallid musk
Nah, 3-5 sec at least is my lowest downtime 😂
mellow gorge
the only time i wait is when some dumbo got slapped and had to be rezd
blazing condor
Tldr help your healer
ionic fern
Run that sweet-sweet IV to get rid of stacks.
But ngl..i don't do anything differently on Grievous weeks. 👀
blazing condor
Yeah you dont have to actively think about anything or play differently
Just realize healers have it tougher and will need to drink more
Some bosses become kinda ass
ionic fern
Well, it's fortified so w/e.
ionic fern
It was. 😦
smoky wave
What is the best non-mage health food atm? I love wintersveil for the fruit cake that does %hp
tardy sequoia
Guys I still have the majority of conduits at 239 ilvl while one of them is still 213.. he insisted in saying that if I had all conduits at 252 ilvl my survivability would improve, is heright? Isn't the emphasis put on how we play more than everything?
ionic fern
Theoretically he isn't wrong. Higher ilvl conduits provide more..e.g the healing from Sphere etc.
Practically..you probably won't even notice it. 🙂
Survivability is still 99% proper play.
Pretty sure i still got most conduits at 213.
tardy sequoia
Thanks Mwahi, just the confirmation i was waiting to have! Also he told me he calculated all respective Vers% in comparison to other stats in order to have the perfect stats setup, he was a bit resented when I told him he wasted his time lol
sweet summit
ionic fern
Thanks Mwahi, just the confirmation i was waiting to have! Also he told me he ca...
What the hell. 😂
jagged pier
Thanks Mwahi, just the confirmation i was waiting to have! Also he told me he ca...
eh?
tardy sequoia
I think he completeley misunderstood the class
jagged pier
ionic fern
Is he a warrior?
tardy sequoia
yes
jagged pier
sweet summit
wait what
jagged pier
get him in here
tardy sequoia
tardy sequoia
Is he here?
i think so but he doesn't understand english very well I think
jagged pier
HR has no value without rep
tardy sequoia
i prefer to have the maximum uptime on shield block
jagged pier
if u want block u go bolster
so bolster would do more for him
as hes not running rep
tardy sequoia
and I told that "use reprisal!"
he answered
yeah but then i would have to move, charge etc.
tardy sequoia
i use reprisal too it's a phenomenal legendary
jagged pier
🤔
tardy sequoia
oh so he changed
jagged pier
ionic fern
having 53% on The Nine.
jagged pier
yer he aint got m+ logs from what i could see
gaunt dawn
jagged pier
ionic fern
Your paint writing skills are way better than mine Panth, wtf. 😦
gaunt dawn
i have many years of experience
ionic fern
oh so he changed
Jeah, seems like he's doing things his own way.
Good thing you came here asking.
Unfortunately i do not think we can help him if he does not want to be helped. 😦
jagged pier
☝️
tardy sequoia
Yeah I always come here for feedback, it's my rule #1
gaunt dawn
just looks like theyre hitting shield block on CD
lots of casts without being the active threat target
😦
jagged pier
thats for damage 
ionic fern
Most of the casts are awfully low tho. 😦
gaunt dawn
ionic fern
10.5 for SS, 12.5 for Revenge.
jagged pier
🤔
tardy sequoia
what's a good casts number?
sweet summit
🤔
gaunt dawn
I'm kinda proud of that drawing ngl
jagged pier
the fuck panth that drawing is perfect
ionic fern
^
sweet summit
it looks great
jagged pier
can we have as emote please
tardy sequoia
like how's a good uptime on shield block, ignore pain and SS casts per minute?
ionic fern
like how's a good uptime on shield block, ignore pain and SS casts per minute?
SS should be higher also, like ~14-15
gaunt dawn
idk, i aint a cringe warrior main
ionic fern
like how's a good uptime on shield block, ignore pain and SS casts per minute?
80%+ blocked hits.
Ignore pain = No one cares
SS = ~14-15+
tardy sequoia
how do you check SB uptime?
gaunt dawn
buffs
ionic fern
You don't really care about the up-time.
You care about the effective blocked hits.
sweet summit
untick shield block
tardy sequoia
%
sweet summit
and mouseover the "hits"
tardy sequoia
pallid musk
You can see when boss attack you and then keep SB up
tardy sequoia
i'd like you to correct me as well, now that we're talkin xD
pallid musk
I’ll on Arms with my Warrior But in case i would be happy know IP best situational using on raids
pallid musk
I often do try stack Spell reflect with IP on The eye of jallier when stacks is high and Die by the Sword
Ire and Scorns before execute is Very good to press one IP / Spell reflect and then i do Die by the sword and Rallying before we stack to Eye of Jallier after intermission to help healer
We going to progress on Soulrender tomorrow.
pallid musk
Malaachi, they have answered you in up message.
I’m not expert in warrior tank but my last expereniced in raids you’ll have 2 tank to work together
And in a few fights allow to share with co-tank when your SB need recharge and pass the taunt to another tank and let him use his own defensive
Like ”The nine” with Skyiga has a debuff that ticks and taunt swap give you a free space to recharge your defensives and remove debuff
devout pewter
sorry, one question!
but the legendary that the shield wall has 2 charges and extends its effectiveness to all members of the raid party how does it work? does it give it by itself to those in my raid group or does it extend it to 5 people at random?
pallid musk
How bad to vs Shield Wall / Reperisal?
jagged pier
also it may give 2 charges but that basically means u get 1 extra charge
pallid musk
I dobut 2 charges can be ok on Painsmith mythic with double weapon throw
But Shield Wall leggo and bash can quick reload the cd timer
jagged pier
u dont need a defesnive leggo on painsmith the fight is a joke
he hits like a wet noddle and has no hp
its just if the raid can live
pallid musk
SB may be ok?
mellow gorge
Out of curioisity
Does anyone ever use the double wall charges
For raiding
Also quick question
Dps wise, is phial worth taking with RDM
Or do I stick w scale RDM for now
lime urchin
I finally managed to find time to log in again! And the first thing I did was say goodbye to stupid blue bois, and kneeled for the Primus!
As we all should.
Hail Maldraxxus!
mellow gorge
NL?
lime urchin
I don’t see any reason not wanting to play NL after visiting their home base.
pallid musk
Necrolord
Glory / banner + Represial with venthyr boomie / Affi / destro lock / Frost dk. All got benefit by mastery
lime urchin
You crazy
mellow gorge
Glory / banner + Represial with venthyr boomie / Affi / destro lock / Frost dk. ...
Ntm the buff can last up to like 45 seconds if not more w reprisal glory, so its alot of dmg considering it'll be on a 2 min or 1 min cd
lime urchin
But in all seriousness, we gonn try to push some keys soonish again and our demon lock bribed me into trying NL
ionic fern
I still want them to make it so that if no one is in range i get all the mastery.
ionic fern
YES
lime urchin
We have mastery?
mellow gorge
Honestly
1200 mastery
Or 1600 w glory
Alone on us
Would boost attack power by i think 100%
ionic fern
Good old BoM times.
mellow gorge
BoM?
ionic fern
Bastion of Might
"Increases your mastery by X for 20s when using Avatar".
And you could stack it to x3
ionic fern
Alllll the crit block and juicy dps.
mellow gorge
Arms
ionic fern
🤷
mellow gorge
But ye more bleed dmg
Im enjoying the RDM aswell
300 or so dps
And gives a good survivability chunk
Better than anima field emitter
Now i only need shard
ionic fern
I need back/wrists and i'm good to go.:(
Imagine having your Legendary as the lowest ilvl.
sick sentinel
Yeah, when you can literally buy a token and get it to 262 instantly
More like 1-6 hours including on waiting on token sale and traveling, but yeah,
sick sentinel
It's infinite farm now, EZ, just set it to a 8-11 go with party
brittle owl
Imagine having your Legendary as the lowest ilvl.
orange pp small
sick sentinel
Back in 9.0 were still capped, no ash mailing to alts, no tower knowledge, of your team fucked up they'd send a literal one shot guy after you
Fuck
That
ionic fern
Still not enjoyable for me now.
So i'm just gonna wait until i have enough ash from weekly chests.
Not like the legendary ilvl is actually going to change anything.
😂
sick sentinel
Toughest is very enjoyable for me in current state
At least I don't feel made to cram maw and toughest into Monday sunday
Part of what makes a game like runes are so much more chill, you just log in at 3 am and start chopping maples trees till your bored with that, might be a minute or hour or even a few weeks
You just log in and do whatever the fuck you want, progress doesn't reset on activity quest simply cuz its tuesday
sick sentinel
Yeah, play only what's on meta unless all 5 players are 200 in awake
And in 9,0 artificially time gated by reknown and ash grind
That to me doesn't feel like I'm doing whatever I want
sick sentinel
If you really want to know fun, play doom eternal and put it to nightmare (not ultra NM, that's iron man you're dead, you're dead)
Only thing stopping g you in that game is your reaction time
sick sentinel
And it's possible to get through that in a single day, you just log in go to the good part
Doom guy doesn't farm reagents for crafting skill he has to level up to craft rockets and shells
And if you screw up, you go again
blazing condor
ionic fern
Idk, i also got confused.
jagged pier
sounds like your trying to compare 2 complete different games with completely different designs etc etc
it doesnt work
orchid frigate
when skipping to pack with tormentor in mists, do you use BL in that pull or hold for boss?
blazing condor
Yes they invis skip to the first tormentor and pull that with the pack
orchid frigate
like this: https://keystone.guru/i0ewMzc
blazing condor
You dont BL
You have all CDs at that point
So you just send it
Some weeks people will CC someone in that pack to make it more manageble
Maybe a bit tough for the healer this week with grievous but idk
Should be fine
orchid frigate
kk
lofty widget
i'd say BL depends if you think youre gonna 1 phase boss, otherwise you dont gain much usingit on the boss
orchid frigate
im just a bit scared this week going into that pack
blazing condor
Or you kinda just lose all the time save the skip did
blazing condor
Just make sure you land the spell reflect on the soul split
sweet summit
kinda wanna reflect all soul splits
if it's still executioner there
idr if it changed
lofty widget
that involves kiting ew
orchid frigate
eeew
lofty widget
it's the fire guy this week
blazing condor
What key level u gonna do?
Like the skip is nice and all
But not at all needed really
orchid frigate
20
blazing condor
Unless ur really pushing for the timer
20 is 1000% fine not to do it
Especially on fort
sweet summit
and there is a timesave in pulling executioner through the wall before doing first boss
blazing condor
Try it if you want! The skip is good
lofty widget
the dps who pull through the walls always do it so late...
lofty widget
you end up standing there for a minute just waiting
sweet summit
if you're doing no skip you need to lust first pull if you want 3 lusts
orchid frigate
can try the skip on a comfy key
sweet summit
else you'd be sitting on lust for like 7 minutes
mellow bridge
playing the bleed guys at the start with griveous is pretty shit tho
i'd skip this week
cc one caster, play 3 guys with fire
assuming your group knows how to do the skip in the first place
orchid frigate
also afraid someone (probably me) will mess up the skip with going to close the mob with clear sight 😄
sweet summit
you (warrior) can heroic leap over the wall
skip is a lot easier if you have a warlock
they can make a gate through
orchid frigate
aah right the leap
sweet summit
like here ish
orchid frigate
mhm
jagged pier
me and mwahi doing it last night and the other member just standing at the wall instead of running round
KEKW
ionic fern
😂
orchid frigate
hehe
sick sentinel
im drawing this from memory as a test, and also having never tried it
but im pretty sure the rogue skip looks alot like tha
interesting thing i'm noting from this keystone gurusite about mists is apparently the shrooms heal to 100% instantly, wonder if you could have NF open it early and then you pull LT + 4 and the other 2, just rotate all the purple shrooms out first
strong forum
That is what people have been doing
Not all the shrooms, but atleast the tank every now and again
sick sentinel
id love to see some MDI shit where they pull all 3 Lt + 6 trash into that room
strong forum
That's just suicide
sick sentinel
it could be done with LOH shrooms +10 stam tho lol
strong forum
Na, not 3 lieutenants
Healing reduction, ticking firedmg, 4 kicks, slow + dodging
Even on +15 this would be omega hard
sick sentinel
maybe need earth ele + taunt pets but im sure its theoretical at least
you could do it in TAS
strong forum
It's possible if you go low enough, but by no means efficient
Tas, probably
But you need everything to be down to tas, even the mobs
sick sentinel
tool assisted m+ you could run +57s
strong forum
Na, 1shots will come way sooner
Like you'd need to rig all form of rng to line up defensives at the correct time from the correct player same as proc usage
sick sentinel
all i can remember for sure at end of 8.3 mdi was pulling like 3 floors of TD at once
strong forum
well yeah cuz you abused cannons to kill those adds
sick sentinel
yeah, and thats after they got nerfed to 5 ammo
strong forum
you only had 5 shots, so youd have to line up all adds
and in the ultimate end it wasnt even that much faster than others, even when echo did 70% in 1 pull
sick sentinel
before 8.something you had infinity shells, but we didnt' use it to my knowledge
strong forum
we had infinite shells until 8.2
sick sentinel
that was a good mechanic the 8.2 10 affix
all the dead ghosts bum rush you and you have to avoid purple and greens
inland raft
Ya i quit in 8.1 and i was doing most of my % at cannons
So def was being abused well before then
Even had like rogue getting out to tricks tank and hopping back in to help ensure could keep everything grouped properly
distant crystal
the double rogue groups
that were using like double sap or double sap double blind double vanish, plus shrouds, to skip eeeeverything inside the jail
inland raft
Yup
distant crystal
and then pull backward to the cannons
and pressing spell reflect when you have to go out and manage the mobs/get them grouped for a shot
just in case the rogue decides to shoot you 😏
inland raft
Plus if you angled cannon right you could aggro things to make them run through a bunch more and not ever have to go get them
distant crystal
i still have a screenshot somewhere doing jes howler
where i also pulled the last boss through ceiling
on my bear, p sure i thrashed his feetsies
inland raft
Always fun td and waycrest both had major issues with floors
sick sentinel
i was super fond of jes howler and later on the bandages from mkinda
gigantic absorb button, could just pop it and totally absorb a full hit from jes los thingy
inland raft
We found ways in waycrest using a boomie where could reliably aggro shit underneath and jump up on fountain and snap them to us even
Would be done with trash other then last boss room before ever going down
sick sentinel
my dk friend at the time he was running a +10 key for some famous-ish rogue and i was tellin him go get it
they fucked up somehow and had the snap similiar to what you said in courtyard
cuz i was watching him discord stream it
inland raft
Waycrest was always fun
sick sentinel
except for grevious witches
inland raft
I dpsd bfa though for the little bit i played, i was a filthy havoc main
Only expac i didnt tank, maybe thats why i burnt out and quit so quickly idk
sick sentinel
every single grevious week, i'd get to witches and it would be instant wipe, WM also felt like "if top left door opens with key, we win" too
inland raft
Was the easiest route but waycrest was pretty simple no matter which door got
sick sentinel
bottom right and top right could both be complicated there was a room with a solo mob that you NEVER ever went in at the top
inland raft
Favorite pull was always the hallway around the fat boss forgetting name right now, but would do the pat from courtyard and whole hallway at once and as a dh with eyes of rage azerite trait id get like 3 eyebeams in a row
sick sentinel
i remember on the left only thing was the bullshit was not knowing if you went down hallway or up stairs to get to witches if it was those routes
and, basement 1 matron was a real bitch and a half, group deleter
many times i would try basically suicide pulls on fatty boss room
sweet summit
"hits" not "amount"
distant crystal
ohhhh
sweet summit
ofc you take more damage with block down
distant crystal
69% of his dmg taken was blocked hits
sweet summit
nice
distant crystal
math checks out
crystal iris
I need your guyses help taking my prot next level
I can tank 15s no problem even up to 18s on tyrannical week but I feel really squishy on fort weeks. Im running the standard build with AM, BSC and reprisal so Im looking to min-max my gameplay and stats
mostly I think my biggest mistake is using IP as much as I can. My number 1 focus is keeping SB up as much as possible but once that is done Im also trying to keep IP up as much as I possibly can just to help with damage intake / dump rage
I have no idea how to reduce intake further than that in higher keys
lime urchin
Log some runs and/or make a video of some runs
crystal iris
thats a good idea
lime urchin
Then the mighty Skyhold Community shall come to your aid
Untill then, my only comment is
#showtooltip Ignore pain /cast revenge
crystal iris
haha wait seriously?
inland raft
Ip is simply a way to dump excess rage
So its become a meme to tell people to do that if they are over pressing it
crystal iris
I would think its huge though if i can keep it up all the time its like a shield wall no?
stuck scaffold
costs a lot of rage for a little absorb
inland raft
It has its legit uses like when taking heavy dot damage it can be helpful for your healer but 99% of the time its “im about to or am capped on rage and between gcds”
jagged pier
if your struggling in 15s u are playing the class wrong there is no if and or buts, there is no reason to struggle at 15s in like 210 ilvl or higher
patent osprey
Ok Friends of Skyhold! Im tanking Raid for the first time this tier 😉 Any tips esp on sly?
stuck scaffold
well he said hes fine in 15s
crystal iris
if your struggling in 15s u are playing the class wrong there is no if and or bu...
I have no trouble in 15s I have tanked up to 18s
jagged pier
Ok Friends of Skyhold! Im tanking Raid for the first time this tier 😉 Any tips ...
u 🙏
nah in seriousness most things do like no damage
guaridan if u have externals is easy if not take the wall then u can do ever soak
and slyv
crystal iris
I was under the impression that IP just absorbed 50% of all damaage taken from the tooltip 😒
inland raft
Old ip was good cuz it was thiiicc
crystal iris
Well usually if i dont have problems with aggro ive got it near cap
inland raft
Problem is now ip is high rage cost for little return
crystal iris
like In M+ I usually have enough rage for SB and a bunch of revenges and IP sitting at like 15k
jagged pier
Ok Friends of Skyhold! Im tanking Raid for the first time this tier 😉 Any tips ...
on slyv u 🙏, run AM And rep and aegis and matrix and plan externals for p3
inland raft
Better to do more damage so mobs stop hurting you
crystal iris
my goal is to be more tanky
stuck scaffold
cant get hit if you hit them first
crystal iris
In my usual runs ill get away with like 5k overall DPS
inland raft
M+ is about being juust tanky enough to live while doing damage
strong forum
on slyv u 🙏, run AM And rep and aegis and matrix and plan externals for p3
HR? That's a nice typo
crystal iris
So HR and bolster arent good picks? even if I want to be more tanky?
crystal iris
im not talking about lower levels
blazing condor
Hr has its place at 25+ keys
jagged pier
HR has a place in 25s and higher
crystal iris
Im talking about tanking the highest keys ive tanked
blazing condor
And even then isnt a nececity
blazing condor
Go AM
jagged pier
u go am
blazing condor
Never bolster with reprisal
inland raft
No need for hr go am unless you just really like hr for some reason
blazing condor
And HR is for top keys
inland raft
But am is the right answer
blazing condor
redundant for lower keys
crystal iris
yeah i think i tried bolster once and it was wierd. too much SB uptime lol
blazing condor
Reprisal fills the need for bolster
chilly brook
apparently you get a banner for timing two 15s on TR
Tf is TR?
blazing condor
Am is good cus it gives you more shield wall and more damage
strong forum
If you're struggling in 18s-ish
Then it means someone is doing major mistakes or utilising your kit inefficiently
sweet summit
tournament realm
blazing condor
Hr just doubles down on what rep does for you. Better to cover base and go for what it doesnt do for you
crystal iris
yeah putting aside damage i think i would miss the reduced Shield wall uptime
strong forum
And given that you said you're doing around 5k dps, that means you are doing mistakes
chilly brook
Is it free to copy your character on tournament realms?
Cuz if it is
Lemme go time two 15s
crystal iris
5-5.5k ya
crystal iris
because im dumping more into IP than I should probably, trying to keep it up all the time
strong forum
Yeah that's quire little, which means you're doing rotational mistakes
chilly brook
because im dumping more into IP than I should probably, trying to keep it up all...
I almost never touch IP tbh
blazing condor
Nothing particularly wrong with keeping IP up as long as you get the use of it
strong forum
Which in turn means less rage, and thus less defensive uptime
chilly brook
Unless I know stuff actually hurts
blazing condor
Its a feelycraft thing
chilly brook
And or I just need to spend rage faster
strong forum
I have on average 30-40% IP uptime in legit every key unless I play seismic and I go for big dick dps
crystal iris
I charge in SB IP revengeproc thunderclap
chilly brook
I charge in SB IP revengeproc thunderclap
Shield slam before revenge tbh
Ravager>charge>covenant ability>shield slam>revenge
Dump rage into IP to not cap in that situation
crystal iris
usually after opener im just hitting whatever comes up honestly
crystal iris
i try to prioritize shield slam then thunderclap
chilly brook
Good
crystal iris
revenge if im gonna overcap
strong forum
Eh
chilly brook
Shield slam is 100%>thunderclap
strong forum
You revenge as long as you won't run out of rage for your next SB
crystal iris
yeah
strong forum
Otherwise just slap away revenge
chilly brook
After opener you start making the decisions on IP or Revenge
strong forum
Cuz it does have the 30% SS reset chance so use it
chilly brook
Only reason you'll pop IP during opener typically is so you don't cap rage
crystal iris
yeah exactly
since revenge is free, ive used only 1x SB and i have ravager going then use shield bash and thunder clap yeah i need to dumb rage
crystal iris
Shield slam before revenge tbh
only ready i use AOE first in opener is bc rage isnt a problem and i need aggro
chilly brook
only ready i use AOE first in opener is bc rage isnt a problem and i need aggro
Yes but that's what ravager and your covenant ability give you
And you can always spend more rage
More rage spent in the rage burst window is good
Faster avatar CDs
More shield walls
You're just delaying your cast of revenge by 1 gcd anyways
Its not going to be the difference in keeping aggro
inland raft
And ya griff i signed up for the push simply to go do 2 15s cuz why not
crystal iris
ok what about stats? I main fury and im sure you guys are all gonna tell me stats dont matter go with ilvl
But im 250 and have a bunch of high level rings and gear so I might as well play with stats a bit
This is what Pika had in his 9.0.5 vid. I dont think ill be able to get that much vers but I can definetly afford to lose some crit and mastery since im higher on those
inland raft
Stats are extremely minimal but if same ilvl prio haste>vers>crit=mastery
chilly brook
Stats aren't going to matter much tbh
Outside of maybe high keys where you'd probably want to go more vers but that's outside of 99.99999% of players purview
chilly brook
Stats are extremely minimal but if same ilvl prio haste>vers>crit=mastery
This
inland raft
Knowledge of class and your route is 99.9999% of the job i made alliance alt started doing 15s at 180 something
crystal iris
see I told you youd all tell me stats dont matter
How much haste is too much?
I can get 30% no problem
inland raft
160% or something lie that
chilly brook
30 is great
inland raft
But realistically around 40 is when can start actually lookint actively at getting others, but again its minor
crystal iris
Maybe it depends on the class but I find secondary makes a difference. Maybe less so with tank but On my resto shaman the difference between shit stats and 20 crit, haste and vers was like a 1.5k diff in dps
inland raft
Unbuffed
crystal iris
ok so haste is fine, I usually run OWS with blood scale
crystal iris
I guess I dump as much mastery as I can then?
inland raft
Wouldnt actively look to dump any stat they all fine, just prio haste if same ilvl
strong forum
Just stop worrying about stats altogether
inland raft
Literally ilvl above all and then put haste on and forget it
strong forum
Pick ilvl, socket haste until you think you have too much
inland raft
Such a non factor
strong forum
And youre good to go
chilly brook
Maybe it depends on the class but I find secondary makes a difference. Maybe les...
Stats on a deterministic tank that 100% comes down to your own play on if you live or die is an overall fairly minimal impact
strong forum
Then just max out haste + whatever other stat you like
chilly brook
I'm just replying to your statement
crystal iris
so I might as well... I mean i dont think my rotation is that fked up if im tanking 19s
its not 25s sure haha
modern brook
Yall crazy tbb
crystal iris
but I do like tinkering around
modern brook
How are you supposed to do necrotic weeks without 60% crit???
strong forum
modern brook
I'm sorry :(
chilly brook
How are you supposed to do necrotic weeks without 60% crit???
Nah dude I do it with 60% mastery because crit block
modern brook
Crit/mast is what champions build
chilly brook
Mastery is just the best stat because its block chance, critical block AND attack power
inland raft
Gotta get those fat 10k ips instead of 9k
sweet summit
psure that was a meme
modern brook
No
chilly brook
No
sweet summit
oh
modern brook
It's a difficult truth
chilly brook
There was a legit dude who argued with us for like 4 hours
strong forum
I think it was moreso the idea of stacking mastery to stop needing to use SB for 100% block chance
crystal iris
as minimal as it is, there must be a pretty big difference between running 5% vers and 30% vers as a tank
modern brook
as minimal as it is, there must be a pretty big difference between running 5% ve...
Eh
strong forum
Not rly no
modern brook
You have a shield
chilly brook
as minimal as it is, there must be a pretty big difference between running 5% ve...
Ehhhh
modern brook
And the shield makes you never die
sick sentinel
what if its true though, what if we stacked mastery and ran glory, spam hell out of execute/revenge
chilly brook
You're a DR tank
crystal iris
assuming monkey dps letting spells go off left and right
sweet summit
12.5% passive dr difference
strong forum
Because you give up other stats to get vers
strong forum
It's a good stat to have sure, but it's not a massive difference
sick sentinel
here's what i get confused with concerns to cooldowns, how the hell am i supposed to know if a SW is better or LS
inland raft
Ya that 12.5 dr comes at cost of less crit block and parry which while minor chips away at that 12.5 its higher value stat but its not a golden goose
modern brook
assuming monkey dps letting spells go off left and right
Making macro decisions like gear based on the assumption the people you play with aren't going to play the game is a flawed idea
If you're willing to min max stats
chilly brook
Even worse if you crit block
strong forum
here's what i get confused with concerns to cooldowns, how the hell am i suppose...
SW is better in almost all situations
inland raft
Stats are meh
modern brook
You should be willing to min max the dps you play with
sick sentinel
only time iknow for sure LS is better is when you got tons of melee adds on u
sweet summit
last stand is a dps cooldown 
inland raft
Facts
sick sentinel
and you have to be blocking
strong forum
Well you don't play Bolster, so you don't get block from LS
chilly brook
You get hit for 100 crit block 80% or w/e cap is now remove 12% from 20 damage
strong forum
And yeah, last stand is a dps CD in most cases
Unless you don't have SW ready and you know you will take heavy dmg soon
sick sentinel
no, but i mean that you would probably want SB while u had LS up, SW you might not need block
strong forum
Then it's a nice buff to self healing and rage gen
modern brook
Last stand is just a personal rallying cry
strong forum
You still use block if you use SW
modern brook
Use it for rage Gen unless you need the health
strong forum
You however sometimes use SW to cover block gaps, same as LS can help in those situations
sick sentinel
i am master of sniper saving ppl in keys with rally
strong forum
That's what it's for
modern brook
Oh nom I meant to ask this 18 months ago
strong forum
Anogus
inland raft
Last stand plus rav equals revenge goes brrr
distant crystal
is this you proposing marriage?
sweet summit
yea
modern brook
With demo shout uptime cut significantly from 8.3, and BSc being used over bv, is it worth it to demo on cd or should it cover block downtimem
strong forum
He has told me he loved me before, so... 😳
chilly brook
TLDR is that vers is nice @crystal iris but if monkey DPS let spells go off left and right you're dead regardless
crystal iris
TLDR is that vers is nice <@255798240153305090> but if monkey DPS let spells go ...
Yeah I just pug a lot
strong forum
With demo shout uptime cut significantly from 8.3, and BSc being used over bv, ...
Technically you'd wanna use it still on CD
modern brook
Specifically in the case of using reverb to absolutely tool on noobs
strong forum
Its just not as much apparent value, and feels pretty bad to use without BV
strong forum
Yeah I just pug a lot
If you take 50k from a wicked bolt or 45k, you're still dead if 2 go off
Ykno
inland raft
I still want to make nf leggo to mess around with but i cant be assed to do torg for memes
chilly brook
I still want to make nf leggo to mess around with but i cant be assed to do torg...
Just do layer 9
Speed run super quick
You'll have enough soul ash in like 25 minutes
At most
Or cinders or whatever they're called
I might start leveling my necrolord
inland raft
Thats 25 minutes of plauing wow though
sick sentinel
i know that you don't, and wouldn't, but you'd lose alot of value from LS picking not indom it would seem too
chilly brook
i know that you don't, and wouldn't, but you'd lose alot of value from LS pickin...
Not really
sick sentinel
cuz you only get more HP, and then you miss out on 10%
inland raft
Its a dps cd
chilly brook
Then they gave us a talent that updated it for the modern game
And then they nerfed it
inland raft
Hp is just side effect
chilly brook
sick sentinel
i think LS and avatar should be combined personally, or you can only use LS at low HP, and it grants leech
modern brook
I still want to make nf leggo to mess around with but i cant be assed to do torg...
Honestly layer 9 speed running has been the most fun I've had in this game outside of group content since mage tower
chilly brook
I think bolster needs to be removed as a talent and just baked into the ability
Otherwise it's a useless ability that's literally stuck in vanilla game design
modern brook
Got mine down to 105 seconds
modern brook
Otherwise it's a useless ability that's literally stuck in vanilla game design
Ls as is is twice the cd with half the affect of vampirism blood
sick sentinel
+10% hp for tanks talent should not be a thing, it should be a base thing is what i'll say
modern brook
Its absolute dog
chilly brook
Ls as is is twice the cd with half the affect of vampirism blood
And 0 interaction with the classes way of staying alive
sick sentinel
as a tank type pokemon even, by far one of your best stats in any game as a tanky character is raw HP to simply survive a hit or 2
modern brook
Tank type must be new
crystal iris
If you take 50k from a wicked bolt or 45k, you're still dead if 2 go off
Thats why I mash ignore pain haha. anything under 20 DPS holds kicks for the curses
modern brook
Mash revenge they won't get the 2nd cast 8^)
sick sentinel
i stop playing pokemanz after i beat gold
inland raft
Anything below a 20 i count myself a failure if i dont outdps at least one pug dps
sick sentinel
and i took, plant and water in first games, along with yellow pikachu edition ran that
inland raft
Revenj goes brr
sick sentinel
in gold i took the fire pokemon though, because it 1 shot everything
crystal iris
Ill log and record a run with an action tracker up
I have the streamer details plugin but what is the one that scrolls the ability pictures? that a WA or an addon?
sick sentinel
is there a point where you get hit with mastery tax as well similiar to lose 20% from stat after 40% haste
i think its around 1500, thought about trying to go giga mastery see what happens
inland raft
Pretty sure its samw as others but calculated off the bonus not raw character sheet so gotta hover over your mastery but dint quote me on that
strong forum
is there a point where you get hit with mastery tax as well similiar to lose 20%...
1210 or smth like that
thats the "10%" tax
crystal iris
ok last thing I just swapped to kyrian
Pins seem undecided between pelagos and mikanikos
mik for damage im sure but lets say im a wimp
strong forum
no, you 100% go mikan
modern brook
its based on Mastery points
re: secondary diminishing returns
first break point is a raw mastery rating of 1050
sick sentinel
okay, so thats 51.5% added passive random block chance at 1210
modern brook
Yeah sure
median tulip
We don't really rely on random block chance, so that value is fairly irrelevant
sick sentinel
and im at 15.6 % ap with 265 mastery, so, say 71% ap
(math for ap was divide my 265 mastery into 1210=4.55xcurrent mastery (15.6)
sick sentinel
critical block whenever sheild block is up
60% less melee dmg,(crit block effect) which is 60% of dmg from dungeon trash, 2011 comments, i think its stated block x2 now, still alot, but would have to be mathed out
ionic fern
What are we mathing out?
sick sentinel
we get DR'd on block % too?
ionic fern
Huh?
sick sentinel
so, how is that, 3 and then nothing, am very confused now
sick sentinel
+0.5% Block Chance (Before Diminishing Returns)
+1.5% Critical Block Chance (Before Diminishing Returns)
+1% Attack Power
strong forum
if you block, another % chance to crit block
strong forum
+0.5% Block Chance (Before Diminishing Returns)
+1.5% Critical Block Chance (Bef...
2011
2011 is 10 years ago, almost 11
block has been reworked numerous times since then
ionic fern
What are you trying to calculate.
sick sentinel
hmm, is it possible to put fake stats into sims
strong forum
yes
ionic fern
@sick sentinelWhat are you trying to calculate?
sick sentinel
dps for one
because youd get a ton of AP
and how long before random trash starts hitting for over 3000 unblocked, which you could crit block near full block
strong forum
i dont know what you just said
-but in 8.3, if you wanted 100% mastery youd need around 4.1k mastery to achieve that, which is now ofc impossible
-there is no actual DR on how often you can block an attack back to back to back
-a critblock blocks twice as much as a normal block, with a capped reduction of 85% (can only be increased through block value, not chance)
the aforementioned mastery stat tax only means how much actual increase in mastery you get for any additional mastery points
aka from 30-40%(hidden value) i think 1090+ points, you only get 0.9 mastery for every 1 point of mastery
from 40-50%(hidden value) you only get 0.8 mastery for every 1 point of mastery
sick sentinel
whenever 9.2 drops i'm going glory rep dual rank 8, 102% uptime shieldblock, tough call between AM HR
ionic fern
I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish.
You can already get close to 90%+ SB up-time~effective blocked hits with HR/Reprisal depending on the fight.
jagged pier
with out HR u can get 90% on like half the fights
ionic fern
If you mean "I'm going to get 100% block chance by going full on mastery" that's also..questionable. 🙂
ionic fern
13500 .
strong forum
close enough
sick sentinel
hmm
lofty widget
would you guys take a 246 death gods signet or a 239 oath of the nine?
oblique garnet
@jagged pier Today is the day
jagged pier
🙏
strong forum
would you guys take a 246 death gods signet or a 239 oath of the nine?
Probably, they're both haste/mastery right?
lofty widget
yeah, 239 has a bit more haste though
lofty widget
true, cheers
jagged pier
ancient monolith
<@!179993058186625025> <:deswind:533073964096946176> Shouldve played nf this wee...
wow! how do you get to 10.5k overall??
seismic?
jagged pier
step 1 get gear
ancient monolith
and mika?
sweet summit
poggars
ancient monolith
seismic ye
nice
ionic fern
im not even that geared tbh
Is that "Not even that geared" Like Jakey's? aka "Oh, i'm only 254"
ionic fern
I'm 248. 😦
scarlet wedge
Guys can i ask you something? what should i go for gearwise, im basically full 252 geared, but im sitting at 974 haste atm and only 671 versa and im wondering if its worth changing out 196 haste for like for 177 versa and a bit of mastery?
im just wondering if its worth dropping a bit of haste to be closer to equal amount of haste and versa
mellow bridge
do you do 26/27 keys
scarlet wedge
nah 20's but i suck xD
mellow bridge
then the answer is no
strong forum
That 170 vers is equal to 2% damage reduction....
.....
...........
Is it worth losing 5% haste for that? I think not
Actually 6% haste
sick sentinel
maybe 9.2 i do the tax evasion build, get everything to just under 1050, never pay stat tax, except versa, no versa
cinder nova
I got a 239 dommie sock or a 252 non-socket. I'd be losing the unholy shard - do you think the stats will make up the difference?