protection

[blazing condor]

Deafening Crash

azerite traits from BFA

big part of the whole TC spam rotation we had back then

[jagged pier]

yer but even if we got them back

[blazing condor]

yep itd suck

cus we aint got UF

and stuff

[jagged pier]

TC would still hit for negative damage

[sullen tangle]

ah ok, i only got serious about tanking this patch but i did hear about the crazy TC spam here and there which is why i mentioned it lol

[jagged pier]

and not everything is on AM

[blazing condor]

nop

DC was op cus you had TC every other GCD together with the BV on Demo shout

and it just kinda went infinite

(in 8.0)

[jagged pier]

8.1

[sick sentinel]

you mean, bastion of mastery

[blazing condor]

naw wasnt that the case in 8.0 ?

i member they nerfed the demo shout thing

so it would only extend up to like 8 seconds

or something

[strong forum]

They nerfed dc with 8.1

[jagged pier]

we didnt have Bom in 8.0

[strong forum]

But 8.1 introduced bom and 2nd azerite ring

[jagged pier]

☝️

[blazing condor]

i never said anything about bom

[strong forum]

Which catapulted us

[blazing condor]

just DC and demo

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel im on lunch looking more, on first boss. Some quick notes:

1. you ravage to open, thats good and you should do that basically every time ravage is up between pulls

2. you let that poor warrior stay in opprotunity strikes for its full duration desptie him being right next to you - coulda just int shouted and got him out asap, turned and bolted/shockwave etc. Really a failure on the team but anyone coulda done it it was so clsoe to the stack

3. I think you missed spear on the 3rd guy in your opener? mostly a nitpick

4. nother nitpikc : a couple of times you leap out to charge for reprisal, but at least twice you charge to a guy that was already out of melee from before your leap and you coulda just charged him.

5. your an absolute madman not having damage meters

6. you let block drop a lot; which wouldnt be a huge deal if you didnt panic stack your CDs in the previous pull

7. Intercept was never used

[blazing condor]

but it was definitely better with 3x BoM

i just didnt really play that much in BFA tbh

wasn't as nerdy as i am now

[strong forum]

I've lost some nerd

[blazing condor]

it's contagious

you're finally free

it's like when a ginger kisses someone

it transfers

[strong forum]

Wish me QT ginger gf

[jagged pier]

i wish one for u if u wish for me to get one too

[blazing condor]

gingers are either incredibly pretty or mad ugly

[sweet summit]

wtf

[sick sentinel]

crazy as well sometimes

good and bad crazy

[plush tendon]

GFs are dangerous; there is a direct correlation between having a GF and your IO

[sweet summit]

get a bf instead

[blazing condor]

gfs arent real you loser

[sweet summit]

double testosterone

[plush tendon]

cant get that drip if you got commitments

[blazing condor]

you gonna tell me a loving father is real next as well? grow up

or maybe you literally are 12

[sick sentinel]

could always pull a chrischan and become the GF

[blazing condor]

honestly yeah i guess it kinda hits home on all bases

1. you become the gf and get a gf who is also your loving mother

2. profit

[strong forum]

Hol up

[blazing condor]

if you know you know

[plush tendon]

[blazing condor]

if you dont

you dont want to know

[plush tendon]

you need some jesus

[modern brook]

On the ghost pulls, Your goal is to tap them with revenge or clap, then get to LoS, on both splits you stop to do damage while they clump, this is a great way to get mauled by chains. If your DPS start damaging stuff before they're safe its their fault they died.

int still hasnt been used

skipping ahead to the elemental pulls in bonegirl's zone, you hold Shieldblock until the soulstorm channel starts. I'm 90% sure this isnt blockable, and everything esle in the pull was chain casting at the time. This woulda been a great time to dump rage into revenge and IP, and let the SB cd roll for your next pull

SB uptime is actually a recurring theme in these pulls

where you're either letting it drop for long periods of times, without a CD to compensate, or you throw one up when you're not taking blockable damage

on the platform w/ the tornado boys, for example, you shieldblock 1 mobs channel for the tornado

to clarify "oh i blocked when i shuoldnt have" isnt a huge deal. but what it does is it takes away your uptime when you need it. 90% of the time one or two mistakes like this wont have an impct, especially with good reprisal play, but we're at minute 14 and Intercept is still off cooldown - and this is like the 4th or 5th time its happened

in otherwords the mistakes your making on previous pulls are coming back to haunt you elsewhere

your healers done a good job compensating for this so far, but hes a priest and he lives for this kinda shit.

[jagged pier]

its his weaksuras im telling u

they sound if hes in range and hasnt got IP or SB up

[modern brook]

no sound on this one so no comment

although thats probably bad 🤷

[sick sentinel]

find it difficult to track some buff that keeps changing place in buffs row

[modern brook]

You have a wA for the buff though

unless thats not your uptime

[sweet summit]

that's what you have a buff bar weak aura for

[modern brook]

pardon the 144p

but this one

[plush tendon]

If you only have 1 weakaura, the best thing to have is one that tells you SB is up and its duration

[sick sentinel]

desia last is a choice for me, i tried it once killing melee mob and didn't work out well

[modern brook]

hang on

[sick sentinel]

always works for me to kill mages first on the boss

[modern brook]

On first pull, you missed SB for 40% of it

and that caused you to stack SW and Last stand

Which in turn made it so that you didnt have these Cds for the mortal strikes you ate without block up during first boss

your first boss fight was actually pretty ok

but it was the mistakes you made in the pull before it that made it have problems there

rewatch the first 5 minutes or so of the key and see if you can see what im talking about here

https://youtu.be/J3LZ9Zls60o?t=906

[jagged pier]

i havent watch it but yogi has mentioned these WAs so many times and every time he does i telll him the same thing

but he ignores every time

[modern brook]

This is the exact moment you first press shieldblock on bone girl

dont press play

just tell me why im linking this

@ebon sun im an idiot sorry

oh no

@sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

i tried to tidy up weak auras some time this week, but didn't get rid of sound thats comin, put up skada since it can show blocked attacks% live

[tropic gorge]

I wish details would

Well if it does, I don't know how to enable it lol

[sick sentinel]

some plugin maybe, there is an avoidance tab window, but it seems bugged

[mellow bridge]

details cant do stuff like that

need to look at logs

[sick sentinel]

logs will show specific hits blocked, skada is showing % blocked (step above details that shows nothing about blocked hits), and full absorb/dodge too, i think i'm happy with that, wish i could weight it with/agianst total damage in-taken

[strong forum]

Well it probably can its just that nobody has made a tool to view it in details

[modern brook]

I mean let's be real here you don't need a bar to say yes you are using sb

[plush tendon]

Does anyone actually look at their meters during a dungeon/raid except to see how you died?

[sick sentinel]

its a case of i think i have sb up, but i don't

[modern brook]

Damage meters with me locked at the top :pepehug:

[plush tendon]

They are fun to look at, but they provide 0 purpose during a encounter

[modern brook]

You don't have it up because you're wasting your charges when you're not taking blockable damage

[mighty valley]

these UI choices are weird to me... core rotational stuff is way off to the left? I can't even find SB & IP on here

[blazing condor]

make your own UI

[mighty valley]

i'm very lazy and make do with default

i'm an old man

[blazing condor]

as long as it works

you dont need your own UI

[sick sentinel]

the skinny bar is IP

red at >8 yellow at >4 <8 green at <4 (stop light so i'm not as tempted to use it too early, let it run out clock more)

[mighty valley]

i still think the main thing you should work on is just pressing your core rotation buttons more, basically every GCD you should be pressing a button

[inland raft]

I just use both my shield block charges at start before key starts then swap to arms and play arms with shield

[blazing condor]

1h arms with shield

[sturdy sable]

^

[blazing condor]

chinese letters

[mighty valley]

the molten core build

[sick sentinel]

you means asmongold spec

[sturdy sable]

Im still waiting for them to let prot use a 2h and a Shield

[sick sentinel]

that literal what he did

[sturdy sable]

Not alot of peeps went deep prot in classic

[inland raft]

It was doable on alliance

But horde no chance

[modern brook]

yogi this is a picture of your SB WA straight not working

[inland raft]

People min maxed classic so much you werent gonna hold threat ever on horde

[sturdy sable]

Nope

[plush tendon]

Classic lel

[sturdy sable]

Had to DW tank undergeared alot in classic

[cinder nova]

Why am I getting pinged

[mighty valley]

amogus joke

[cinder nova]

The what now

[inland raft]

Only thing want back from the old days is heroic strike

[plush tendon]

but why

[cinder nova]

Whats amogus

[blazing condor]

say it backwards and you'll probably recognize it

[modern brook]

AM OG USA LETS FUCKIN GO

🇺🇸 🎆 🦅 🎆 🇺🇸

[cinder nova]

Dude I feel old, all these zoomie gen vidya

No idea what's happening anymore

Playing my boomer sub mmo

[inland raft]

Dont worry i don’t understand either

[chilly brook]

Was that you in the MrMattyPlays stream?

[cinder nova]

https://tenor.com/view/who-gif-4519872

I don't watch streamers, so probably not.

[chilly brook]

So that's just some rando with the same picture

[cinder nova]

Yeah, I wouldn't be caught dead simping so hard for a streamer that I'd pay ten bucks just so he can read a sentence or two.

The only time I watch any streamer-related content is if I need to see their UI and what shenanigans they're pulling off so I can emulate it to clown.

Which was mostly watching Hansol during MoP for the burst combo with AT + DF

[sturdy sable]

Id love a single target rage dump

[cinder nova]

It's called Execute.

[sturdy sable]

That i can use outside of 20%

[cinder nova]

It's called Condemn.

[sturdy sable]

Damn didnt type that fast enough

[cinder nova]

https://tenor.com/view/blazing-saddles-fast-draw-cowboys-gun-gif-17264250

[modern brook]

Honestly it's called revenge

Shit slaps

[sturdy sable]

It does but i want something to hit harder than it in single target lmao

[cinder nova]

Truth.

I'd suck toes for a ST rage dump.

[inland raft]

If was able to type heroically you would have typed fast enough

[cinder nova]

Oh, you know what'd be good?

If they made Revenge do more damage when it hits one target.

That'd probably be elegant.

[sturdy sable]

https://c.tenor.com/vkpCnKNg7UkAAAAM/mind-blown-amazed.gif

[modern brook]

I like that more than a st rage dump

Bear has that and it's zzzzz

[sturdy sable]

Yeah but bear is zzzzzz

[inland raft]

You mean spamming thrash isn’t engaging gameplay loop?

[cinder nova]

Well, hitting Maul feels weird ngl

[sturdy sable]

Well prot just spams revenge lol

But its a different kind of spam

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but playing bear half the time I'm like "oh yeah maul"

and then press it

[oblique garnet]

I have the worlds most simple solution on how to fix bear

Dont play it

[inland raft]

And make sure you have that thrash/if macro on your spacebar for your incarn window

[cinder nova]

No reason to add another button to the bar if we can just make Revenge ST and AOE

[modern brook]

Pog

Not playing bear is a serotonin hit ngl

[inland raft]

Ngl though wish all tanks had a cd like incarn

[oblique garnet]

🤔 gonna tank a key on warrior now do i stream or just cba

[cinder nova]

I doubt Blizz will do anything that elegant, though. I need to see more of this new design philosophy before I can even consider approaching "They aren't absolute dogwater" again, as they seem to handily ignore almost ALL of the player feedback in the beta for prot.

For like... 2 xpacks in a row now

[modern brook]

Bear doesn't even have a cd like incarn it just has a stupidly way over performing leggo

[sturdy sable]

I wish wll tanks had immunes like in ffxiv

[plush tendon]

I think BDK needs one....everyone else has something

[cinder nova]

I wouldn't say everyone. Warrior can still fall over behind SW because they just have no healing to speak of, at least with Incarn you can stack armor so high you're basically unkillable. Armor + block + wall pretty sure doesn't reach the same level of bullshit after considering how the % factors DR

And it's not like bear doesn't have a dual-charge wall either

[sturdy sable]

Well and bears massive hp pool

[cinder nova]

Yeah

They got a lot going for them.

[plush tendon]

I was thinking about incarn more as a dps CD

[cinder nova]

It's a survival CD in M+.

[sturdy sable]

Yeah tanks need dps cds baseline

[cinder nova]

You can pull like a baboon

[sturdy sable]

Like dks have DRW at best

[cinder nova]

Warrior has DPS CDs, though. We got that in Ava and BV if you spec.

[inland raft]

And last stand kinda

[cinder nova]

And the fact that block is a 📈

[inland raft]

With the conduit

[sturdy sable]

Yeah im just saying not all tanks have dps cds

[cinder nova]

Yeah LS is DPS bump with conduit for rage

I open pulls in raid encounters with LS on lust

[sturdy sable]

It feeds execute spam

[cinder nova]

And yeah during 20%

[inland raft]

Last stand more like last push

[sturdy sable]

More like why is this still considered a tank cool down

[cinder nova]

I call for PI, line up spear + Ava + BV + LS and pound my Execute button so hard that it makes my gf jealous

[inland raft]

Im assuming they thought we would spend it on ip

[sturdy sable]

Lmao

[cinder nova]

Ashen Jugg to the finish line

[sturdy sable]

Ignore pain? More like ignore that button

[inland raft]

Ashen+last stand

Gotta pump

[oblique garnet]

Warriors atleast do damage outside of their cds where as guardian might aswell be a pet

[inland raft]

True

[cinder nova]

Yeah you gotta be catweaving to make it count outside CDs

And not every encounter is save to catweave

Plus it's a massive cock and a half

[oblique garnet]

In m+

[cinder nova]

Oh in M+ lol

Nah yeah you're like "what's damage"

[inland raft]

Bear is only time i have threat issues when i play dps

Luckily i have dbts when i do that

[cinder nova]

Agreed.

Oh man DBTS is such a great defensive

Being able to man-mode with it is cashmunny

[modern brook]

it really is

full parry and 30% dr

lets fucking go

[inland raft]

Look at me i am the tank now

[cinder nova]

Nothing gets me quite as hard as facetanking M Tarra as arms

[inland raft]

True

[modern brook]

Warrior rules dude

[cinder nova]

But it also makes me a little disappointed because 85% of my raid was like

???? how are you alive

[inland raft]

Except fury, im too old for that spam

[cinder nova]

Which made me sad because it reminded me most of them have no idea how interclass shit works

[modern brook]

Fury aint my jam either but i respect it

[modern brook]

two possible responses: 1) Cheatin' 2) I just pressed buttons

[cinder nova]

I swear it was buttons

(the cheat button)

k e k

[inland raft]

I just turn on my god mode obviously doesn’t your class have that?

Fn noobs

Or when tank is panicking in m+ and just dbts intervene them and they just like “how am i alive?”

[cinder nova]

Yeah, that's always good.

[oblique garnet]

need to save dbts every time you pop cds

[cinder nova]

I've definitely never accidentally intervened the tank mid-pull and gotten vaporized in one global.

[modern brook]

It's a movement ability

[inland raft]

Nope never

I am far too skilled to do such a thing

[cinder nova]

Honestly, I can't wait for Zereth Mortis.

With the new Bonegrinder changes as Arms... could you imagine SR + EM?

That's violently disgusting.

[oblique garnet]

i have yet to play with a tank who can hold aggro from me when i pop cds 😦

[cinder nova]

Really? Honestly I never struggle with it as prot.

[modern brook]

U ain't never played with me

[cinder nova]

But I'm also Kyrian

one slap with my spear and it's permalocked

[inland raft]

Only tank i have issues with is bear

Unless dumb enough to go ham before tank even spends a gcd

But thats not their fault

[oblique garnet]

0 counter play when everything comes

only way to live is with dbts

and pray they get aggro back

[modern brook]

Just gotta end the pull before dbts

Shouldn't be hard you're in cds

[cinder nova]

I really hope the warrior tier is as chunky as I hope

Oh wait nevermind I saw the in-game models

[inland raft]

It is pretty bad imo

[cinder nova]

Wow that looks disastrous compared to what the art showed

[oblique garnet]

warrior both tank and dps will be disgusting in m+ next patch

[modern brook]

2pc is ip immolation aura,4
4pc is no cd ss on avatar

[cinder nova]

WAIT WHAT

[modern brook]

I made that up

Sorry

[inland raft]

Lol

[cinder nova]

You fuckass

[modern brook]

Would be pog

[cinder nova]

I was gonna be like "oh, we have a REASON to push IP?"

[modern brook]

Fire cloak ip is def on my wishlist of things

[inland raft]

Hey i have reason to press it sometimes

Between gcds when capping

[cinder nova]

I really hope it's not another tier bonus that only works when IP is up

The last tier set that had that was dogshit

[inland raft]

I would be ok with it, if its really strong

[cinder nova]

It wasn't last time.

[inland raft]

I know

Just saying not against it entirely just depends what the bonus is

[oblique garnet]

i wouldnt expect anything more than something that enhances your covenant ability from tier sets

[cinder nova]

That sounds so shitty

I hope not

[inland raft]

Conquerors banner also provides 25% vers

[cinder nova]

Meanwhile the entirety of SL...

We don't want more borrowed power
[spear is top damage in M+]

[plush tendon]

well spear is awesome

[inland raft]

I like aa as well

[oblique garnet]

Wrong revenge is

[plush tendon]

Some of the cov abilities are good enough to be talents soon

[oblique garnet]

People dont know the secret tech

[cinder nova]

Not as arms it ain't

[oblique garnet]

true now its whirlwind

[cinder nova]

Nah, still spear.

WW is second though

[jagged pier]

bonegrinder is not secret tech

[modern brook]

yeah this is likely the easiest route from a dev stand point

[inland raft]

I i havnt played with the bone grinder setup uet cuz stopped playing months ago and now been messing around with a gnome prot alt

[cinder nova]

Not as prot yeah, if it is a bump, it's barely worth the effort and usually wont be

[jagged pier]

its actually quite big

[cinder nova]

As prot?

[plush tendon]

WW does some good damage

[cinder nova]

??? I'm so confused. When I was crowing about it right after 9.2 I was getting told it was still dogwater

Now it's imba???

[plush tendon]

they buffed it by a decent amount and uncapped WW

[inland raft]

Id assume beats our other options by a good amount given prior to this show of force and aaf were out best non cov potency

[modern brook]

i distinctly remember you asking us to tell you not to

[cinder nova]

Yeah what the fuck changed

[modern brook]

some one probably did the math 🤷

[cinder nova]

I'll beat someone's ass

[sweet summit]

mine

pls

[modern brook]

[inland raft]

[cinder nova]

You'll probably like it

[sweet summit]

😳

[inland raft]

Look at S promising us all a good time

[cinder nova]

S T O P. My guild DPS already do that uwu shit at me mid-raid relentlessly.

[inland raft]

I bought half my raid the cat mount just to annoy one person

[cinder nova]

Commitment.

[jagged pier]

they uncapped WW

[cinder nova]

I KNOW THAT'S WHAT I SAID WHEN I WAS TESTING IT AFTER 9.2 DROPPED WEEK 1 REEEEEEE

[jagged pier]

i mean its dogshit to play

andu wouldnt use it in push keys

not a point

[cinder nova]

Yeah it feels terrible, but it's definitely a DPS bump. Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it worth pressing ST after Rav?

[modern brook]

Is it really a gain

Revenge has always been Uncapped

and its scaling is less shitty than 5 target sqrt

[cinder nova]

Yeah, it hits harder than revenge because the three ticks are almost as hard as an individual revenge.

But it's also a fuckton of rage

And it has no synergy

It's just DPS

Revenge feeds the engine, WW empties the tank

[inland raft]

Its a bigger gain then our other second potency options is all thats being said, but at cost of being a pain

[modern brook]

oh

[cinder nova]

^

[modern brook]

ok

so

Bonegrinder better than shitting in your ice cream confirmed

[cinder nova]

It's a DPS* bump.

*Probably not viable in pushing content, but great for wowing scrubs in 15-19s

[jagged pier]

its about a 200 dps overall

increase

[cinder nova]

Plus it's still in the "number go 📈 " mantra

[jagged pier]

ive done 9.9k without

and 10.2 with

[modern brook]

thats 300 jakey smh

[inland raft]

I was top dps in a 14 on my alliance 213 ilvl alt the other day

[cinder nova]

What the fuck were you doing? I can't even peak 9K.

[modern brook]

french ass education

[jagged pier]

I JUST PRESS BUTTONS

[inland raft]

Between that and a nf pally feeding me buffs

[cinder nova]

Was that in 915 or 91

Like, was that this patch?

[jagged pier]

this week

[cinder nova]

Huh... are you going siege?

[jagged pier]

ive done like 9.5 and stuff before 9.1.5

[modern brook]

drop the Jakey pug stomper plz

[cinder nova]

Or are you doing barb

[modern brook]

im tryna copy

[jagged pier]

its the des stomper

standstill

vers

press revenge

with siesmic

[cinder nova]

Yeah, that's what I'm doing.

[jagged pier]

obvs not pressing buttons

[cinder nova]

I use OPC, Siege, bulwark

[jagged pier]

:shurg:

[cinder nova]

With SR and spear

[inland raft]

I think my best was around 9 before i quit a few months back but disnt even have a 252 weapon or a lot of other gear at time

[jagged pier]

OPC

[inland raft]

Just gotta press buttons

[jagged pier]

KEKW

[cinder nova]

Do you go BV or BSC

[modern brook]

BSC

[jagged pier]

BSC

[modern brook]

no Q

[cinder nova]

And I assume rav

[jagged pier]

yes

[cinder nova]

???? what the fuck

What's your trinkets

[jagged pier]

sack and phial or matrix and phial

[cinder nova]

Is phial that big over OPC?

I have a 226

But my OPC is 246

Am I cucking myself

[modern brook]

maybe ur just not doing jakey pulls

[cinder nova]

Maybe??? How big are your pulls, Jake

I usually do double/triple where able

I feel like I gotta scope one of jakey's runs so I can try and emulate what he's after

This is what I was talking about, I just look at VODs/streams for visual learning

Then I try to execute

[jagged pier]

i dont over pull

like i just do standard mists

and thats where i get the 'metrics' from

i know its different groups and lvls

but its as close as i can get

how about i stream the keys that might happen tomorrow or not see how i feel

[oblique garnet]

You finally surpassed me

Now i will try and set a new record

[jagged pier]

just for proof thats the benchmark

[oblique garnet]

as NF

[plush tendon]

I like the Necro Frost

pretty cool

[oblique garnet]

What key was this

Or what level

[jagged pier]

mists 18

[jagged pier]

yus koryan is busted

[oblique garnet]

An 18

Guessing you played with 2x potency

[jagged pier]

u do with koyran

[oblique garnet]

Ye

[jagged pier]

AA and bonegrinder

[oblique garnet]

Bonegrinder 🤔

[jagged pier]

yer

effects ww

[oblique garnet]

With reverb?

[jagged pier]

yus

[oblique garnet]

Do you get it from ravager ?

[jagged pier]

yer

[oblique garnet]

Oh

[jagged pier]

this is a 17 or 18 mists with bonegrinder and just seismic tho

[oblique garnet]

Adaptive armor fragment instead of DR really ?

[jagged pier]

I did under play bonegrinder sometimes 6 wws sometimes 2

[jagged pier]

The AA one

I dunno what its called

[oblique garnet]

Only have 226 tho

[jagged pier]

Ez to get the new one

[oblique garnet]

Yeah i just got to exalted yesterday

[jagged pier]

And i only had that empowered

Im not max renkown yet

[oblique garnet]

Now i just have to finda bind for whirlwind

[jagged pier]

i just bound it over devastate

[oblique garnet]

I had execute over it

[jagged pier]

[oblique garnet]

Wtf since when did prot have hamstring

[sweet summit]

9.0 prepatch

[jagged pier]

sorry this was the none bonegrinder one dont know why it shared the same pic again

[jagged pier]

alpha

SLs

[oblique garnet]

Lmao havent used it once

[sweet summit]

same

don't need it

[oblique garnet]

I just bind it over stormbolt i never use it anyways

[potent anvil]

Bonegrinder prot owns

Remember when I said prot bonegrinder will own? I member

[oblique garnet]

Should wait for spiteful week and play it with war machine tbh

[jagged pier]

it does damage

but it sucks to play

[potent anvil]

The price to do big dam

[chilly brook]

This sounds horrible

[potent anvil]

Its better as NF anyway

[chilly brook]

@jagged pier y u do dis

[jagged pier]

i was interested

[oblique garnet]

Got into a key

now i will beat it

[jagged pier]

but the pooling rage at the end of rav kinda sucks

[oblique garnet]

Think you just pop ravager early Into aa around half way

that way you should have enough rage

[jagged pier]

should use rav to engaage the pack tbh

[oblique garnet]

Ye

[jagged pier]

by the time u get there its nearly dropping off

[mellow gorge]

kads

lads

is the tormented rack fragment

good ?

[sweet summit]

nah

[jagged pier]

is what?

[sweet summit]

painsmith trinket

[jagged pier]

i used it when i had nothing else

it wasnt bad

🤷

[sweet summit]

it't not good tho :/

[jagged pier]

i never said it was i just said it wasnt bad

KEKW

[sick sentinel]

back to kyrian for now

shame i cant stream in this discord

[jagged pier]

u can

u join the general channel

and u stream

[oblique garnet]

@jagged pier I couldnt do it the group turned out to be bit of an bait

[sick sentinel]

"you can't stream into this channel"

[jagged pier]

:Sadge:

🤷

[jagged pier]

nearly top dps tho

[oblique garnet]

I dont think merciless is the play tho

Revenge is just infinitely better damage per rage

Crit of revenge is 3K ww is 2K

@potent anvil Thoughts?

[urban portal]

It's not like prot has good potency

You aren't losing that much if you run grinder

[blazing condor]

Do we even use a spec-specific potency

Like what

SoF?

[oblique garnet]

nah but like you want to play the AA conduit and then AAF

With korayn

[potent anvil]

Bonegrinder ww should still be more dpr. The only bottleneck is rage. So 1:1 casts, ww is better. This is why I think NF is better because rage gen.

[oblique garnet]

i did play as NF and still it just didnt do more even with having rage to dump out during the entire duration

Like the damage of ww just was really bad

How much is the % at 252 conduit tho ?

[potent anvil]

Like before empowered?

Should be 180% or something. 200% empowered

[oblique garnet]

Ye dont think thats enough to push it over revenge

[jagged pier]

as i said its close

10.2k vs 9.9k

[oblique garnet]

i will go do another hopefully with less scuffed group

[jagged pier]

just remeber to pool rage

[potent anvil]

According to my tooltip, at 180% ww is 127 dpr vs revenge's 94. Not including revenge! procs, so that is also a consideration.

This is with BSC, too

[oblique garnet]

how is your revenge dpr that low

@potent anvil

[jagged pier]

how the fuck is yours so high?

[oblique garnet]

idk this is with veinripper too

so im not even getting strength from weapon

[oblique garnet]

is that with bsc?

[jagged pier]

oh no

2220

with bsc

[oblique garnet]

ye

[jagged pier]

mwahi did the sims btw apprently veinripper is less dps

[oblique garnet]

vs 259 weapon ? or 252

[jagged pier]

252 i believe

[oblique garnet]

its doing 3% of my overall in keys

[jagged pier]

yer but u loose a bit of strength over 30 mins that adds up

🤷

i dunno i dont have veinripper

but i do have 259

[oblique garnet]

ye idk

i did 9.5k without bonegrinder in mists

could do more with kyrian probably

just because spear damage > AA damage

[jagged pier]

I do more more dps as NF pretty much cause of koryan

And if u rav and pull extra stuff in u can get the buff for WWs with bonegrinder

[oblique garnet]

if you could chain it alot and continously keep the first strike then yeah

[urban portal]

why tf are yall using veinripper

is that new meta

[jagged pier]

I dunno like the most i could do with kyrian was 9.5k that was without bonegrinder but like switched NF and like insta 9.9k

[jagged pier]

Maybe maybe not but TC procs it

[oblique garnet]

And deep wounds

[urban portal]

is that 3% of the damage really worth losing str

[oblique garnet]

🤷‍♂️

[urban portal]

im assuming yes because yall did the test

[jagged pier]

🤷

[oblique garnet]

We dont really know since im probably only one with veinripper

[jagged pier]

☝️

[oblique garnet]

Gonna go try kyrian in 18 mists

[jagged pier]

I dunno whats more or less ive had a feeling 10k as kyrain is doable but im still a fair ways away where as NF its like a certainty u can

And tell me how its goes time for

[oblique garnet]

i will post results in 30 minutes or so

[potent anvil]

That still shows bonegrinder ww to be higher dpr.

[oblique garnet]

Ye but not by that big margins

And to me executing the bonegrinder 100% optimally vs just going ook ook with revenge will in 9 / 10 cases end up being more damage

Spamming revenge doesnt rage starve you as much so you are alot safer imo

[urban portal]

i agree

revenge also gives slam procs

and deep wounds

[oblique garnet]

^

[urban portal]

and doesnt cost a conduit

no matter how shit our conduits are

[oblique garnet]

The conduit thing is w/e

[potent anvil]

You spam revenge/ww > shield slam in aoe if you wanted to min/max aoe dmg anyway

[urban portal]

you still cast slam off cd

so you can feed the rage into more revenges

if its not that much different may as well slam

i mean revenge

[potent anvil]

I just prio revenge over shield slam in aoe. Pretty sure it's more dps. I remember Mwahi mentioning a similar priority, not sure.

[distant crystal]

if you're not capping rage it's kinda the same result right

i guess you can push some revenges earlier in the pull before target count drops

[potent anvil]

Also, if you were to bonegrinder ww spam during the window, the deep wounds debuff lasts the whole time. So, you don't really need to refresh deep wounds either. But I suppose the original argument is just the dpr of ww vs revenge.

Whether it was actually feasible, since rage is the bottleneck anyway, is another thing

[oblique garnet]

@jagged pier 9.6K with no monk debuff

Kyrian lines up alot better in the key

[ocean yoke]

its been 2 days of playing a dps alt and im already about to have an aneurysm from having other people tank in my dungeons

[cinder nova]

Nothing gets me softer than seeing a tank do baby pulls while I'm holding coolies for a triple

[ocean yoke]

it causes me so much pain watching it

like this is going fine why do we need 30 seconds of eye contact with the next pull

[modern brook]

Gotta letter know

[ocean yoke]

Damn you havoc being so fun so I do this

[neat terrace]

Hey guys what kind of uptime are you getting on shield block

[urban portal]

look at %hits blocked

doesnt matter what your uptime is if you dont have it up when mobs are swinging

[neat terrace]

Can you do that in details?

[urban portal]

upload it to logs

not sure if you can in details

maybe check it in damage taken

[sick sentinel]

skada does for sure % blocked/missed/parried/absorbed dmg

but not specific blocked hits i think, (the order in which the attacks were blocked or parried)

because we were discussing it today about how details claims it can show that but then doesn't

[urban portal]

details sucks

but who uses skada lol

[sick sentinel]

when i'm Pwar and it shows how many blocked hits i did because thats actual the job

[urban portal]

well you job is to time the key

sometimes you doing more dps is a part of that

[sick sentinel]

our meta game revolves around blocking and parrying auto attacks and using cds to survive magic or tank buster

[median timber]

how we going today

do i need to swap off prot loot spec for much these days if im not raiding at all

[sick sentinel]

i woudnt dare complain about but only 220 research 2hsword, thats kinda dead spec for me competively lol

competes with prot weapons i could loot in vault so

[oblique garnet]

@jagged pier highest i could push

Was as nf tho

[sick sentinel]

Em if you want my real answer about why I don't raid itsbecause of well the best way I can describe it is you meet them and you think you guys get along then one of you or both become raging genghis khan in voice chat, or your got the .... yeah you gotta trade that away it sims 3% better for boomy, one raid.eader took things super serious likespe ific people for specific interrupting this order,.... blehhh

[urban portal]

i mean

you should be able to pug at least the first 6 without comms

in heroic

[modern brook]

Noob furry

[broken nexus]

Which defensive trinkets do y'all prefer for M+? Scale, Aegis, Defense Matrix? Which 2?

Don't have Old Warrior's Soul yet unfortunately

[mighty valley]

I'd do aegis + matrix

if i had a matrix

[oblique garnet]

Scale

If you play defensive trinkets

Its always scale

[mighty valley]

i'm not a fan of two on-use and aegis is busted

but aegis + scale is good if you're using them both enough

[oblique garnet]

🤷‍♀️only use ows and phial

[mighty valley]

the dream

[oblique garnet]

Cant remember the last time i used defensive trinkets in m+ on warrior

But then again i dont really push highest keys

[jagged pier]

Still far higher than a lot of ppl

[jagged pier]

In m+ its always aegis and matrix no question

[oblique garnet]

Defo couldve done higher on kyrian but had to go to bed and cba pugs

You get so many more uses from spear vs AA

[jagged pier]

That doesnt mean its more damage like koryan is just busted

[median tulip]

For M+ I run only one defensive trinket (Shard of Annhylde's Aegis) and a DPS trinket in the other slot.

[oblique garnet]

On mists the biggest difference comes from which maze you get

And if you can pull mobs on top of 2nd boss or not

Theres couple of things ill change from my route without going over count and i should do atleast 10k

[autumn pendant]

Did those two warriors sleep or were undergeared?

[oblique garnet]

Alot of floorpov

[autumn pendant]

[jagged pier]

But thats the thing i do nither of those things

[oblique garnet]

🤔im curious as to what makes the difference then

Was it fortified week?

[jagged pier]

🤷

[oblique garnet]

[ionic fern]

Maybe the bosses died faster? 👀

[blazing condor]

Maybe hes using cheat engine

[ionic fern]

Probably.
Jakey's got that SF buff while Late has the Val'Kyr handicap. 😦

[blazing condor]

[brittle owl]

just scum pulls lmao

barely time the key, cuck every single dps in order to improve your own

your boomkin druid wants to delete 3 packs at once? no problem, just pull one at a time in order to handicap his overall

[ionic fern]

Who are the best ST classes but being really bad in AoE at the same time?

👀

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

Enhancement?

I don't know what they do anymore.

😦

[brittle owl]

a man of culture

solving the problem by rigging the start

[ionic fern]

Can't be a "Problem" if there is no one causing the problem.

[autumn pendant]

Feral

[urban portal]

Ass rogue mediocre aoe?

[ionic fern]

Okay, so..MW healer for the buff..Assassination Rogue / Feral..and 1 more DPS for ST and shitty AoE

@oblique garnet we got you a 10k squad.

[urban portal]

Need a luster

So enhancement shaman

Fhere

We got it

[median tulip]

If you're taking a Mistweaver to pad your damage over the DPS, don't take any melee DPS

[ionic fern]

But we need good ST DPS and shitty AoE DPS.

Idk which range has that.

[urban portal]

1/3rd of ass rogue is magic

[median tulip]

Afflock?

[urban portal]

So is 1/4th of enh shaman

[ionic fern]

Good ST to make Tyrannical bosses take less time.

[urban portal]

Affleck is absurd in aoe rnc

[ionic fern]

😦

[urban portal]

Their st is bad

Sorry auto correct

[median tulip]

Is it? IDK my guilds afflock quit when 9.1 dropped due to the changes

[urban portal]

The only thing worse than aff are shamans

[brittle owl]

demonology

easy to cuck aoe too

LoS

[urban portal]

Oh true

But you need enh for lust

So you lose the rogue

[pallid musk]

Not here to argue anyone but feral druid/ Unholy DK with Army or frost Breath with physical bonus dmg in breath can do 1 million dps in 2.3 min windows

[brittle owl]

that may be true

but it is also true that they can not do that

[pallid musk]

I played unholy in Tyrannical weeks to bring that boss damage. The annoying thing if we wipe so 1 Army pull with lust is wasted and key deplate for sure

[brittle owl]

🤔

how is a wipe a key deplete

unless high key

and by high i mean higher than 20-21

[pallid musk]

A key deplate can depends on many scenarios. For be sure if you play with a skilled unholy dk i can do 1 million dps in 2 min with Lust/ IQD trinket

[teal swift]

Oh, the best of memories

[pallid musk]

But after that, unholy vs feral = feral druid will go straight ahead

Or have 3rd class for execute/soul reaper/kill shot from 35% to 0

[strong forum]

Or just get a venthyr boomkin

Do 0 dmg for 3 minutes

Then 1 dmg bukkake

And 0 dmg for 3min again

[brittle owl]

trade offer:

i get top dps

[pallid musk]

Good ye. O dmg and boom on Tyrannical affixs to a toybox

[brittle owl]

you get 1 dmg bukkake

[strong forum]

Sounds like a good deal to me

[pallid musk]

How about mists ?

There 2 boss with downtime/ cleave

[brittle owl]

there is no downtime

just pull more

[strong forum]

Mists is the best dungeon for overalls for us

[pallid musk]

I though SD was, i might had wrong here

[brittle owl]

it's a great dungeon for overall for any short cd aoe burst classes

[strong forum]

SD is also good

But the dungeon is so much longer

[jagged pier]

but lanterns

inflate damage

[strong forum]

And that ye

Mists is unhindered, unbuffed raw class dmg

[jagged pier]

☝️

[pallid musk]

True

[autumn pendant]

So is DoS

👀

[strong forum]

Yeah but DoS doesn't offer nearly as good pack sizes

And 5 vs 3 bosses

Actually on 4 bosses

[jagged pier]

and its long

[strong forum]

But it feels like 5

[ionic fern]

DoS would be fun if i could do 100% of trash in Ardenweald and skip the rest of the dungeon.

[brittle owl]

@ionic fern why are you an angry meesix

annoyed rather

[ionic fern]

Because i'm annoyed.

[brittle owl]

ok

why meesix

[ionic fern]

Because i like the color blue.

It's the Jerry situation but instead of trying to teach people to golf and fail i try to teach people to Protection Warrior and fail.

[blazing condor]

Then why orange

???

[ionic fern]

What orange?

[blazing condor]

Name

[ionic fern]

Also blue. 😦

[strong forum]

Blorange

[blazing condor]

Orue

[brittle owl]

cursed

orueorueorueorue

[blazing condor]

Jojorange

[brittle owl]

jojo's retarded cousin, DoDo

[strong forum]

dodo

[brittle owl]

dodo

[mellow gorge]

Tbf, how much % total can you get

From ardenweald?

Since I think you need to do the hakkar part to open the door either way

[strong forum]

You can get like 63% from ardenweald

Up to 80% I think, but that's unefficient

I think 63% when leaving ardenweald (if you do it first) is a popular way to play DoS nowadays

[strong forum]

You can do DoS in any order you want, nothing unlocks other parts

[brittle owl]

it's a circle

[blazing condor]

Yea take any

Route changes up a bit depending on tormentors

[ionic plank]

you only need to do the last pack in hakkar hallway

to open the door

can skip rest

bit spooky though without urn, people often skip first pack and play rest

[blazing condor]

you can entirely skip the first pack in hakkar wing by just walking left side

if you'd want that

unless thats been patched

[ionic plank]

last time I tried that it got pulled :( not by me

but probably does still work

but I used invis belt

I always do for that sorta thing just out of habit/for safety

[sick sentinel]

i swear they moved the gate keeper in NW (even with video for 2 of the runs, couldn't see what happened since i was facing camera away from that guy)

cuz i went 4 times this week, and 4 times it got pulled, only time i know for sure was hunter pet, and that was cuz he told me

[ionic plank]

bursting keeps your pet in combat and causes it to pull

Same with bron

I think

Smth like that anyway

[blazing condor]

yeah bron can pull

as long as people hug the wall it should be np

but sometimes it has pulled for me too for no apparent reason

[autumn pendant]

Just remove him to be sure

[mellow gorge]

Me and the boys finna skip the entirety of gnomeregan area

[blazing condor]

m+ should just be all bosses

no mobs

[autumn pendant]

Dismiss by removing buff

[blazing condor]

@mellow gorge you only need to kill the dog-pack rest is skippable

[mellow gorge]

Can you not skip doggy?

[jagged pier]

@ionic fern when keys this evening?

[ionic fern]

20 onwards should be ok with me.

[jagged pier]

👍

[blazing condor]

technically you can but you would need to re-skip it when you're exiting the arena

which is kind of wonky

so most groups skip first drill > kill dog-pack > skip

[teal swift]

I made an addon 🙂

It feels amazing

[brittle owl]

does it have big tiddy goths

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

the real question

[tropic gorge]

This is an extremely important question.
Plz reply

Gib tig bitty goth gf

[modern brook]

Smh it's November

[brittle owl]

i don't see a problem with that

[teal swift]

Quick cast with Indicator @cursor

instead of @cursor macro

[brittle owl]

ok

where booba doe

[jagged pier]

true

[brittle owl]

also get fucked @sick sentinel , cross server STICKERS work but no cross server EMOTES

oh fuck that's an actual dude

[modern brook]

Honestly his fault

[brittle owl]

you speak da tru tru

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-rick-and-morty-true-gif-18268523

[ionic fern]

What do you need keys on Jakey?

[jagged pier]

nothin

[ionic fern]

[modern brook]

oh is it 20:00 already

[blazing condor]

16:17

[strong forum]

4:18

[ionic fern]

17:19

[modern brook]

I'm moving to France soon so I'll be joining yall

[strong forum]

Hoho

I mean
Honhon

[modern brook]

🥖

[lime urchin]

Scary!

Go a bit more north and be happy in the Netherlands!

We have mills, and water, and wind

And tulips!

[inland raft]

Maybe he got a job as garbage pickup around the Eiffel Tower?

[modern brook]

i had an interview with 🦅 air force base in Damblain

so i expect to be declined by the end of the year :^)

until then i can pretend to be moving there

[ionic fern]

[lime urchin]

Must be a very busy job!

[inland raft]

Job with most job security

[modern brook]

honestly towers are scams.

[inland raft]

France is a scam

[modern brook]

yeah no argument

or hang on im NSAd now

[inland raft]

Netherlands is the answer, also would say germany but ive heard things gotten weird there lately, i moved away 10 years ago now so idk

[modern brook]

France is our ally and i love them because of their help in uhhhh

a war

?

[inland raft]

Social credit score increased by 5 points, congratulations citizen

[modern brook]

[inland raft]

I dis the bad life choice, i left europe for the US

Be a smarter man and do the reverse

[strong forum]

:prayge:

[modern brook]

The US is great because i can have the unearned confidence of an american

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHSjQRgB06A毛主席领导我们向前进 VERSATILITY 郑国恩是傻子 KEYS 台湾属于中国 VERS西藏属于中国 DAMAGE REDUCTION 新疆棉花最好 STREAMER 打败国民党 TANK 香港属于中国毛主席领导我们向前进 KITING 郑国恩是傻子 KEYS 台湾属于中国 SLOW POISON 西藏属于中国 BACK-PEDALLING 新疆棉花最好 STREAMER STRAT 打败国民党 TANK 香港属于中国

[junior bough]

Got the choice between 242 Pulsating heart and 239 Weave of Warped Fates, How good is weave?

[jagged pier]

nither of them are good

[modern brook]

Nice coin get tbh

[sick sentinel]

249 crit vers neck

[strong forum]

That's a rip in peace from me

Both are useless

[ionic fern]

Rest in peace in peace?

Wild.

[sick sentinel]

rip in peace my key

this is 200% dead key

[plush tendon]

yea, 13s are a dead key 😦

[lime urchin]

Y ded?! Oda Side much fun!

[sick sentinel]

is there any validity to immediately go into ardenweald route? as opposed to standard ring around rosie trash AW > gnome >hakkar

might give me a better chance to approach hakkar stair trash with full CD

[ionic fern]

Pretty sure people do it just for the tormentor powers

It doesn't really matter which way/route you do in lower keys.

[blazing condor]

what mwahi said

only tormentors you really care to get early is executioner and fire guy'

[sick sentinel]

okay, and is there a way to 100% prevent undying rage from going off

[blazing condor]

druid or hunter or rogue soothes it

[sick sentinel]

i mean the part where they don't die and still chase and hit you

not the ghosts, i know about them

[blazing condor]

ya

you soothe the buff

[sick sentinel]

how, do i stop that from ever going off, 12s of hell IMHO

[blazing condor]

you soothe it

[sick sentinel]

okay, so if we have him at 1hp and he has buff, hunter does tranq, he'll just die

[blazing condor]

if the guy is at 1hp he'll die once the buff is gone

ideally you insta soothe the buff so you dont have to kite

[sick sentinel]

well, he could be 1hp and not dying enrage chasing down any one of us

hunter not doing thing,, SOL

[blazing condor]

ya

cus hes not getting soothed

also he will only chase you

so if he chases someone else you need aggro

[worthy leaf]

Hey, just starting out prot warr, and I feel like reprisal is a bit clunky to use at times. Wondered if there was a macro I can use for intervene

[blazing condor]

theres a good macro that puts charge and intervene together

should be in pins or the guides

[sick sentinel]

#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge

[worthy leaf]

Ah mouseover intervene will make it 10x easier

I just had problems targeting my melee

then targeting my last target

[blazing condor]

just hover oover and spam

or click the party frame

[sick sentinel]

cursor charging is fine, but it can get really reckless and pull extra shit kinda thing

[timid bone]

Good morning all, I was wondering if i could possibly get a little input on a issue i am having

trying to find out the soft caps for haste and versatility as a protection warrior.

[slow birch]

How valuable is Reactive Defense Matrix on prot warriors in raid? Why would you use it when you can block and reflect attacks and spells?

[timid bone]

i am in kind of a weird spot at the moment. My haste is 27.15% Vers is 10.62/5.31% Crit is 22.235 and mastery is 24.305

[sweet summit]

does pretty good damage and is alright for a defensive proc trinket

[sweet summit]

there are no caps to worry about, just go with ilvl>haste>vers>crit=mast

[timid bone]

Erga do you know at what point we lose value from having to much haste ?

[jagged pier]

166%

but in reality

its 40%

[timid bone]

kool

[jagged pier]

and thats unbuffed

[timid bone]

i was reading a post from a Method prot warrior

it just kinda had me confused

they were saying gem Vers enchant vers

[brittle owl]

guides from top guilds are very bad at expressing general good practices

[timid bone]

but i had always been told haste was our bread and butter

[brittle owl]

since you don't play in the context they are describing

and you don't play with the limited info they are

[jagged pier]

well the only thing about geming vers is bloodlink does more damage but if u want damage from that u would go crit

[brittle owl]

in content where you compete for speed

[timid bone]

so here the final issue i got. i am rocking a 239 shield with haste47 /28vers i have loot vault option for a 252 shield haste32/mast49.

or

[jagged pier]

252

u dont drop ilvl for haste

exepct on rings and neck

we really dont care about stats that much

[blazing condor]

dom socket > ilvl > haste > vers/crit > mastery

[jagged pier]

shield is also the only piece with block on it

so more block is better

[timid bone]

I could swap belts my belt is a 239 crit79/ mast35 to get a new 239 belt with 75haste/ 39 vers

[blazing condor]

stats will never be the deciding factor

but go for it

haste/vers > crit/mast

[jagged pier]

u go for the shield

its 239 to 252

[blazing condor]

oh

didnt see it was for vault

mb

[timid bone]

this is the first time in a month i have had any real options on vault

[strong forum]

Block doesn't negate damage, reflect only reflects 1 spell (if it can even be reflected) matrix offers, as erga already said, good dmg output and a nice passive shield that can eat a few ticks of dmg

[ancient monolith]

Matrix is amazing

besides aegis and scale

[slow birch]

I know its good for most tanks but I was unsure about warrior since, ideally, you're reducing how much you get hit

[jagged pier]

i mean your talking raid here, u dont need any defensive trinkets till slyv mythic tbh

[ancient monolith]

would aegis be enough for Sylv? because it's amazing to use it in that fight

I mean Mythic raid wise

[jagged pier]

depends on how many externals u have

[slow birch]

regardless matrix is great for burst damage

[ocean yoke]

I've been running aegis/matrix for m sylv prog and aegis is a godsend

[jagged pier]

no its good for consistent samll hits

[ocean yoke]

Matrix is just really nice passive throughput, dps and hps

[jagged pier]

looking at logs u may as well go matrix over phial looking at rank 1 he runs aegis and phial im rank 3 and my matrix did more damage than his phial

[ancient monolith]

cool good to know

[slow birch]

Good too see that RDM is viable for warrior. It is by far my favorite trinket

[sick sentinel]

maybe not so much dead key

but, never scale gang

[chilly brook]

Why wouldn't it be

Afaik it's a good trinket for all tanks just depends on if you're looking for something passive that does some damage and has some defensive benefit or not

[jagged pier]

@ionic fern keys when?

[ionic fern]

5m

ANd i'm ready