But other than that always ilvl
#protection
chilly brook
median timber
what m+ lego we using these days
sweet summit
reprisal
median timber
also what missives yall put on them
sweet summit
haste vers usually
sweet summit
need aegis emote...
median timber
is the mikanos pic in pins accurate to what we wanna use even if we dont use arms
if not can someone send me a pic of what they use most of the time
sweet summit
that's more defensive focused
you could go double right and pick up armor fragment and spectrometer if you want more dam (replace anima sphere with Unnerving if you do that tho)
median tulip
Some people swear by the auto-pot. Others swear at it. I'm in the latter category myself.
sweet summit
not a huge fan of it myself
quiet crane
You want to control when youโre gunna use your pot
If you donโt even use it cause you BFF or get then youโre better off
Forget
median tulip
Yeah, I agree
ocean yoke
it drove me nuts when i had it on
dont need potency past the spear one really anyway unless you wanna go like ashen to meme pump
dry spear
for necrolord prot i either take mari or emeni right? the guide suggest heimir. i am looking for a m+ build i can run all the time
ionic fern
Emeni
dry spear
thank you!
orchid frigate
what are the first takes on the dual legendary thing in 9.2?
jagged pier
kyrian or NF for keys
necro in raid probs
maybe NF in raid
but for prog
like no reason not to be necro
orchid frigate
might as well work on necro renown then when i have nothing better to do ๐
jagged pier
like rep and glory has potential to be nutty
but so does EM and seismic
@ionic fern will go test and tell us the answers
orchid frigate
nice!
jagged pier
there was still no info on when it was coming or the ptr
so long way off still probs
dont worry to much
orchid frigate
i wont ๐
ionic plank
em +seismic mmmmmmm
ionic plank
what's broken?
ionic plank
game is not enough broken to get 2 leg ?
from my pov in pve balance isnt too bad rn
mellow gorge
I mean maybe they'll make the 2nd leggo have a lesser effect?
strong forum
^
brittle owl
gg wp gl hf
mellow gorge
Not as crazy as prot bfa :(
brittle owl
bfa prot wasn't even that crazy
strong forum
Ye
ionic plank
Well the double Lego system and the tier sets may wildly disrupt that
yes I agree but the dude said the game is already broken
strong forum
Pve is really balanced aside from frostmage and ww monk
ionic plank
yea
strong forum
And pvp is just oneshotty
Incidentally also cuz of WW monks
Raid damage balance is another thing but eh
It's not that bad is it
primal cape
btw it's only one cov leg + one leg ?
strong forum
Yes
jagged pier
yes
primal cape
hm
strong forum
But it forces you into specific covenants
jagged pier
but u can switch for free
strong forum
Same
ionic plank
it is kinda silly that theyve allowed free swapping but then made it even more impossible to balance covenants for themselves
primal cape
since day #1
primal cape
seismis + reprisal would be 9k overall on almost every key
strong forum
Warri is lucky that all 3.5 covenants are good
Even if you consider the legendaries
But other classes not so much
ionic plank
I feel like fury is gonna be mega busted
and maybe havoc dh too
both have cov legos that are really strong for them
but I guess there's a lot of that
ionic plank
rsham
strong forum
Kyrian druid
ionic plank
in keys
strong forum
Venthyr boomy
primal cape
time for hmonk to step up
strong forum
Unless hpal starts playing kyrian too.
Monk is not gonna pop off as much
Especially brewmaster
WW maybe, but brew not as much if at all
sick sentinel
i gave that dragon stone or whatever from halls to the monk last night
strong forum
But that's all tbd cuz "class tuning xd"
sick sentinel
i already have enough dog shit trinkets
sick sentinel
i had scale and emitter all of 9.0, its fate
dry spear
necro conduits for m+ is it save to go with veteran and adaptive?
mellow gorge
Tbf necro gives quite alot of strength buff w glory
Id actually be willing to go as necro next patch
sweet summit
infinite banner hack?!
tropic linden
Hey, i'm thinking about trying tank on 9.2. Is warrior a fun tank to play? I know all are viable, i'm between War and Pala rn
sweet summit
warrior owns
tropic linden
warrior owns
Why? hahaha
If you don't mind to elaborate ๐
errant dagger
sweet summit
block is epic and does big damage 
idk
some people dislike the reprisal playstyle
and fun is very subjective
whats fun to me is not always fun to you
and vice versa
but i do recommend you try it 
sick sentinel
Eonar best leggo, change my mind
inland raft
Got necro renown done yesterday so now ready to play whichever 3 turns out to be the play, just gonna ignore venth
sick sentinel
People keep talking about Necro, but isn't it highly dependant on your group to actually perform better than Kyrian/NF?
inland raft
You can get 90 second banners with glory, being able to use that on top of reprisal has potential of being pretty sick
Thats a lot of rage gen
sick sentinel
But atm I don't feel rage starved
Granted that on Execute phases it comes in handy
jagged pier
People keep talking about Necro, but isn't it highly dependant on your group to ...
no like pure ST hog for yourself banner is more dps
by like 200dps
inland raft
All 3 have arguments for them
inland raft
And we dont know what balance passes are coming
jagged pier
well in raid with rep it gunna be busted
inland raft
May as well knock out the renown cuz what else is there to do
sick sentinel
I'm assuming Blizz is gonna introduce new legendaries
jagged pier
๐คท
sick sentinel
cause if not, some specs are just gonna get BTFO
jagged pier
preetty much yer
inland raft
Well theres also item sets, potentially could use those to help a bit with balancing classes that benefit less or more from double leggo
But its also final patch
Its always crazy
sick sentinel
Hmmmmmmmmmm.... Been tempted to try out Necro since the start of SL. But man, Kyrian spear's CC, instant rage and the HP pot is just so good
jagged pier
your still likely to play kyrian or nf in keys
inland raft
Im more of a fan of nf myself tbh currently but i liked necro
sick sentinel
I dislike NF's aesthetics too much to even consider it kekw
inland raft
Nf leggo isnt terrible either makes it a 15 second lockdown on caster packs
mellow gorge
I mean in a dedicated group, necro w glory and reprisal might be better
sick sentinel
I know, NF is great for casters
mellow gorge
In m+
sick sentinel
Need to investigate further to see if its worth going Necrolord
inland raft
We wont know til close to launch due to balance passes
inland raft
But it has potential so no harm leveling it
median timber
what m+ anima do i want
jagged pier
i wouldnt worry to much right now we dont have any dates
u have timeto farm everything to 80
sick sentinel
I know, I know... I'm pretty hyped for this to be the last patch tbh
more because it means SL is over
jagged pier
seems like a pretty normal patch to me
blazing condor
i remember in bfa where top pvp players were just full green-geared
gaunt dawn
for the first week of season 1 bfa
sick sentinel
pvp is weird
mellow gorge
Lads
I have a question
The banner buff from necro
Do people have to keep sticking to me to get it?
sick sentinel
i am necro and i understand what your asking but im unsure
seems to have a 30 yard range, dunno if u have to stay beside warrior within 30 yards tho
Brandish the Conqueror's Banner,** granting (mastery+ ms) to you and your 2 nearest allies**, and preventing movement speed from being reduced below 100%. Lasts 15 sec.
sounds like its treated like paladin aura where you have to get close could be wrong
sweet summit
Do people have to keep sticking to me to get it?
no
they just have to be closest as you use it
then they'll have it for the full 15 seconds regardless of where you go
balmy coral
So Kyrian Prot warrior is about to start pumping, Reprisal+EM? GEEGEE
jagged pier
So Kyrian Prot warrior is about to start pumping, Reprisal+EM? GEEGEE
what u mean start?
jagged pier
wdym start?
we pumping in raid right now as well?
strong forum
Idk doing 2-4k dps less than Monk, druid or pally isn't exactly pumping
jagged pier
i thought top percentiles werent that far behind ?
mellow bridge
95th for all bosses
jagged pier
am i blind but there aint dps numbers on that
stuck scaffold
I think if they increased shield block to 8 or 9 seconds we could have the room to do a bit more damage
strong forum
Pally monk and druid at 9-11k
mellow bridge
highest pwarr parse on guardian is ~3k behind highest brm parse
as an example
guardian parses are kinda wonky since the highest parses are gonna sit in cat for the entire duration except the tank combos i guess
strong forum
strong forum
I think if they increased shield block to 8 or 9 seconds we could have the room ...
That's not gonna fix it at all
jagged pier
stuck scaffold
a bit more
median timber
I think if they increased shield block to 8 or 9 seconds we could have the room ...
why would that fix 3k dmg
stuck scaffold
a bit more
median timber
k
jagged pier
then need to buff SS and revenge damage
strong forum
We need better scaling of attacks
jagged pier
or let us execute out of execute phase
stuck scaffold
Being forced to play like a little bitch because active mitigation is pretty shit by default doesn't help
jagged pier
but then that would make our aoe broken
median timber
those guys getting rank 1 arent playing like a littl ebitch
they are getting full simped
and still falling liike 2-3 k short
jagged pier
โ๏ธ
stuck scaffold
I'm not making suggestions for getting 50% more dps
stuck scaffold
Obviously we just need to hit harder to do that
jagged pier
tbh most ppl need to just press more buttons to do more damage
stuck scaffold
Execute needs to hit at the Arms level
strong forum
I mean jakey, if you were a monk you'd do 9k dps instead of 6.9k
Our execute hits harder than arms
strong forum
It's just that arms has colossus smash
stuck scaffold
Are we comparing base value or actual average during a fight
strong forum
Which makes it seem like their execute is better
Actual value
Our execute hits harder than arms execute
median timber
execute isnt gonna get us there fam
strong forum
Idk what we need
Massacre would help
And or more SS dmg
TC needs to hit harder, but not hard enough to make UF a good talent
Sof needs a rework or severe buffs
Then we can start talking
sick sentinel
So Kyrian Prot warrior is about to start pumping, Reprisal+EM? GEEGEE
i think you mis-spelled Reprisal+Siesmic
balmy coral
i think you mis-spelled Reprisal+Siesmic
You won't be able to do that, it's a cov leggo+one other
sick sentinel
oh, you won't be allowed to do 2 normals?
still, my original new plan sounds great to me, rep + glory, hell yeah reduce m+ dungeon autos to hit for like, 37
median timber
they said a cov+one other
sick sentinel
i wont lie, when i read "2 leggos" my first and immediate thought was "oh god they added some new thing you have to get[bfa 8.3 cloak]"
distant crystal
i mean they did
it's just a different thing depending on which cov you're playing
they basically just buffed every cov ability to make the leggo baseline, with a little gold sink thrown in
safe thistle
well if they just make shield block and revenge cost less rage maybe we could do more dmg but were already spam a lot cant press more than we do right now.
buff thunderclap dmg again ๐
sick sentinel
critical shield slam only available after critical block, +25% dmg 40% chance to knock down target
modern brook
Idk what we need
Demo on am, bv baseline
strong forum
That would help a great deal
blazing condor
You can only press thunder clap where itโs cloudy
wild hemlock
pumped for natures fury+ reprisal
distant crystal
simp me papi
sick sentinel
venthyr next, is a specfic shield ned from that
modern brook
That would help a great deal
Honestly it's my fixall
Sore throat? Just put demo on am, and put bv baseline
sick sentinel
my problem seems to be opposite where i don't use demo at right time (after dmg cd for example), and SW is the button i press once a dungeon and forget it even exists, despite that i use AM now
modern brook
I mean the problem is that sw on am doesn't feel like anything
Because it's a 4 minute fucking cd
Am affecting rotational cds like avatar and demo a) feels better b) is more impactful
sick sentinel
like, 1.50~ish minute cd with AM and the conduit
modern brook
Sw could he a 3 min cd and not have am on it and no one would notice
sick sentinel
i take AM because it means i get more damage through avatar
modern brook
Yeah exactly
Am affecting sw is very low impact
In raid your sw casts are planned
In m+ they're also likely planned tbh
sick sentinel
i would say avatar should give armor+hp as well as dmg, turn you into a raid boss
modern brook
My prot warrior fix that involves absolutely no changes whatsoever to anything
sick sentinel
the outlaw talent increases your melee range by 3 yards feels so nice.
i feel like, its a do nothing button why would people pick it if its talent, or use it
modern brook
-
buff clap damage sizably i should want to use It over revenge in st
-
bv baseline
-
sw is no longer affected by am, sw cd 3 minutes baseline
-
putdemo shout~~ in its place ~~ replaces SW on Anger Management -
make ip a 5 second cd cost 60 rage, and is a 90% absorb worth ~1/3 your hp
mellow bridge
IP desperately needs buffs
strong forum
hire this man
mellow bridge
it's so worthless
sick sentinel
wtf do u mean
modern brook
but thats toxic and i hate it
strong forum
yeah put demo in its place
modern brook
๐ฎ
strong forum
show it where it belongs
sick sentinel
delete demo shout and IS is now demo
strong forum
make IP a passive, for every 10 rage you spent you gain a 3% hp barrier
sick sentinel
why warrior need weird absorb thing, warrior stronk, hide behind rock like smart person
modern brook
just in reverse
strong forum
idk i want stuff which promotes the rage cycle
median tulip
What I would actually like is for the Venthyr suppression effect from Condemn to be beefed up slightly and added to Revenge, so that we would have a uniquely interesting "suppression tank" mechanic
strong forum
reward aggressive offensive playstyle
median tulip
reward aggressive offensive playstyle
Yes, this is what I would like to see for Warrior. We should be the offensive tank
sick sentinel
reward aggressive playstyle, respect defensive style players too
median tulip
One of the reasons that Warrior was so satisfying in late BfA was that the core gameplay loop was offensively oriented
modern brook
๐ข ๐ต ๐
strong forum
getting more rage means spending more rage which means more cds which means more rage which means more damage which means more defensives uptime
โฟ
jagged pier
SB was basically a maintenance buff 
sick sentinel
i am very okay with never going back to having devestate on bars
strong forum
im also fine with that
modern brook
honestly
I would take having devestate on bars > having to compete with real talents for ITF
u never pressed it anyways
strong forum
you think you didnt, but you did
modern brook
and big stats are pog
strong forum
i have PROOF
modern brook
D:
strong forum
that you used around 160 devastates in keys
sick sentinel
we were all devestator spamming noobs
median tulip
Some of our talents (Indomitable) need baselining
jagged pier
you think you didnt, but you did
KEKW
sick sentinel
we had to
modern brook
noms outing me this isnt fair
strong forum
if you played optimally you in fact, used devastate alot more than you care to admit
that being said
i dont miss it
modern brook
strong forum
BUT
im used to both playstyles
so go fuck yourselves, thank you :bowsdown:
but i miss legion devastator
modern brook
Honestly though i dont think its a big deal
strong forum
+5 rage on auto
strong forum
it has no real impact on anything
median tulip
I'm old enough to remember when Devastate worked to refresh the duration on Sunder Armour
strong forum
๐ฅ
median tulip
And Shield Slam was a dispel
strong forum
i tanked only in cata (for brief moments) wod (for brief moments) and then starting in legion
strong forum
rav bloodbath was so much fun
modern brook
USC
jagged pier
i dunno PoE
strong forum
idk
jagged pier
is that beta over?
strong forum
lost ark ended yesterday ye
gilded tendonBOT
jagged pier
modern brook
u suck cocks? eyir
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZa0Yh6e7dw
after i had to unequip this trinket
easily my favorite of all BFA
i had both that and the circle damage trinket on heroic and it was good time
modern brook
waiting in @strong forum chat
sick sentinel
adventures in pepega land, i'll let you know how it goes
digital arch
for tank nf, the better is nya?
strong forum
korayn is more dps in aoe situations like m+
niya is better for single target dmg and a little bit more defensive
from what i know
distant crystal
prob p large defensively, gives a crapton of mastery and HP when you press AA
patent osprey
ye but if ur playing NF, u gotta make up the dps diff from nto play kyrian
sick sentinel
So what's our double leggo combos?
sick sentinel
Figured
sweet summit
it's all speculation anyway
tier sets could shake things up
might rework/add/buff other legendaries
sick sentinel
I really like banner. I wanna use it more, but tis just not good enough in M+
i tried the 14 as pic related, didn't suceed
hybrid ravine
Just a query folks. Can we talk logs?
Curious if anyone has insight into what is tracked for tanks. My example being - a portion of my logs a Prot sit grey. Yet my counterpart (druid) is up in the purple realms.
Does WoWlogs focus on DPS or actual mitigation/survivability?
stuck scaffold
If you are on the damage page you are ranked for damage
It defaults to damage, so Warcraftlogs is literally just ranking how much damage you did compared to others of your spec
chilly brook
Just a query folks. Can we talk logs?
Curious if anyone has insight into what ...
You can't rank survivability
And doing damage often correlates to survivability because your optimal damage rotation is very similar to your optimal survival rotation
If you're sitting in grey you're doing something very wrong and I would bet your survivability is suffering quite a bit as a result
@hybrid ravine overall can't help you without a link to the logs
inland raft
want to make an alliance alt for fun, no access to allied races what race to be?
chilly brook
want to make an alliance alt for fun, no access to allied races what race to be?
Hooman
ocean reef
Dward
inland raft
i was convinced by friennds to do gnome for the comedic value, toechomper is born
sick sentinel
Remember those stupid ass engineer bfa azerite goggles, beat option for ring is one them you get haste and shrink other was something else and grow in size
Well, I'm a Tauren, and we already have avatar, fatty fatty 2 by 4 can't fit through the kitchen door
lavish oracle
NF is like 100% the play next season in M+, huh
I guess unless you're short a kyrian dungeon buff or something
Too hard to pass up the AA damage with the NF leggo
mighty valley
i wouldn't speculate til we see some more changes and systems
lavish oracle
I mean, I'll just change my speculation when I see the new changes
That's the beauty of speculating
mighty valley
sure, just guess if someone's like "that's it, i'm resubbing and grinding up the renown and crafting the r6 legendary right now"
then maybe uh
there's a chance you'll be upset with yourself later
but hey it's something to do
lavish oracle
Oh, I'm still subbed, just reading through 9.2 stuff
forest fern
Hello, my guild is doing heroic Sylvanas Windrunner and i know and understand the mechanics of this boss. But I can't find the answer i looking for... hope you guys help me out.
In Phase 1, what is a good time to taunt? after 3 stack of Heartseekers, every Wailing Arrow? or 3 stack of Heartseekers and Wailing Arrow?
ember token
On heroic it was fine to taunt each WA
dark lark
If your co tank is really weak then just taunt on 3 stacks of heartseeker and/or wailing arrow. This applies to all phases.
If a tank is geared and presses their buttons properly, he can literally solo tank Sylv
Including gathering puddles
And at worst he'll annoy hunters with wild spirits
forest fern
you can solo tank her?
dark lark
Yeah
P1 she doesn't really move
In p2, there's no reason to taunt swap outside of high stacks of heartseeker which isn't that bad
P3 you can just drag her around to clear puddles, get dispelled in a corner
Then when you get wailing arrow, go clean up the next platform
Come back and get dispelled
Since during the P3 wailing arrows, she's just sitting there channeling her cast
forest fern
ah
dark lark
It's not gonna be as quick of a cleanup as having two tanks, but it's doable
forest fern
did not know she just stand there for wailing arrows
i may going test it.
Thank for the tips!
dark lark
I don't know if she's still auto attacking simultaneously, but it's not a big deal if you're geared and pressing your buttons properly
forest fern
right
dark lark
In any case, if you want to play it safe, just taunt when co tank gets 3 stacks or wailing arrows
forest fern
yea, my co tank is blood dk
dark lark
No reason to avoid taunting
modern brook
Wendy's just dropped my burger:(
jagged pier
brittle owl
Wendy's just dropped my burger:(
they drop borger, you drop nuclear codes
fair trade
blazing condor
Number 15 - Wendyโs floor burger
blazing condor
Thatโs the last thing youโd want
viral arch
Wendy's just dropped my burger:(
invoke 5 second rule and keep on moving
blazing condor
kinda getting the wow itch again but i know i'd have literally nothing to do
fringe folio
it happened again, why do ppl not understand u just need to press buttons
Sell them coaching and make a fortune ๐
blazing condor
"thanks for buying my coaching-package! Step one: press buttons. Thats it!:)"
fringe folio
Now pay me ๐
blazing condor
1231312312312312313 but correctly
sick sentinel
So, nf is other best one, was gunna do venthyr but that doesn't feel like it's gunna happen soon
Necro seems fun, but just that, only fun, dunno what it's supposed to be for kyrian set only 4300 Sim as necro
mellow gorge
it happened again, why do ppl not understand u just need to press buttons
How much dps was happening?
I ought to run seismic just to pump high
blazing condor
u can probably do 9-10k with seismic
sick sentinel
hes also full 252, so yeah
tacit gorge
as a new protection warrior for weekly keys, which talent/legendary setup is good? 246ilvl
blazing condor
as a new protection warrior for weekly keys, which talent/legendary setup is go...
granted you play with Reprisal you'd go Devastator/Double Time/Best Served Cold/Any/Indom/Ravager/AM
If you play any other leggo you'd probably switch AM for Bolster and BSC for Booming Voice
tacit gorge
nice thank u, i will craft reprisal with haste versa on legs right?
blazing condor
yep ๐
sick sentinel
wtf am i reading, are we even in reality any more, some arms dude trying to play prot as arms for dps?
blazing condor
chad
sick sentinel
does reprisal even require to be prot? might see some crazy arms builds in 9.2
sick sentinel
He speaks the tru
here's the thread: Xansion 32 posts
60 Worgen Warrior "i never played gladiator specโฆ my parents took the game away from me whenever i wasnt doing good in school at the time of wod i was youg now im alot older so i never got to experience it", his final post in the thread
ah, US
of course
sick sentinel
Well, I met a prot warrior the other day that didn't use charge
does he just not know protection exists?
he Heroic Leaped into mobs
autumn pendant
I mean he's having fun ๐คทโโ๏ธ
He is having fun and also lying
Ultimate combo
Kek
But at least he wont ever have to worry about pulling threat
strong forum
i wonder what frame of reference hes taking for "8.8k st dps at 207 ilvl"
1 burst window? :haha
mellow gorge
Whats weird is that I did try reprisal as arms w one shield and one handed
But it never gave me shield block :(
strong forum
i know that you cant get shieldblock with your 2h equipped
but i havent tested 1h
is prolly a different spell for arms
strong forum
sick sentinel
the op says he was using signet
blazing condor
sick sentinel
he's necro if u want the full effect
sick sentinel
@inland rafthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kWeB4IJ7sA
inland raft
Honestly though i half want to do a key like this, and see if at least can beat the tank, nothing else to do in the game besides fuck around while doing renown
Also make people confused
median timber
how much do i have to care about shield block and think about it
should i just press when getting hit
and itrs off cd
or should i try and be good about pressing when its almost over
blazing condor
you want as much effective uptime as possible
period
you could argue it's not as important if you're doing low content but who cares about that
mellow gorge
Best to get into the habit of using it effectively
Use it when you're getting meleed, try to avoid using it when someone is casting or not doing melee stuff
inland raft
It goes up to 18 seconds so no reason not to spend charges if available and if going to be tanking, if your going to kite then dont spend since wont be taking melee otherwise just keep it up doesnt take a lot of effory
median timber
yaa so comming from bear i should treat it like iron fur
blazing condor
In a single target environment don't dump it all at once because you may lose uptime if the boss casts or similar
in m+ you can kinda dump it imo
sick sentinel
is there a cap for our master where it starts to get the 20% tax like haste does from stat, i wonder if there is some huge necro stonks we been glossin over
waxen orbit
In a baby key? Sure. Iโd use it more carefully once you hit the 21 and above register
inland raft
If just starting out on warrior, focus on having it up as much as can when in melee range and then start looking for times you dont need it there
I mean with reprisal i have close to 100% uptime i just spam it as long as not kiting
Gonna miss reprisal
sick sentinel
i mean could get like near passive shield block
inland raft
#makereprisalbaseline
blazing condor
yep thats good
median timber
learning instinctivly the charge distance
inland raft
When i say close to 100% i mean effective uptime not gonna have literal uptime
waxen orbit
Ah you mean effective uptime
waxen orbit
Thought you meant overall and was finna say cap
sick sentinel
glory vs rep for necrogang keys and would you change anything if you were to run glory
inland raft
Right now you run reprisal
sweet summit
you would simply not run glory
waxen orbit
Why are yโall talking about losing reprisal?
waxen orbit
^
median timber
10.0 is over a year away
inland raft
Ya thats what talking about gonna be sad, hoping they do something to build it into our kit
median timber
closer to 18 months
inland raft
Even if just the block uptime without the rage/revenge proc
median timber
also 10.0 is probs cata2.0 so heaps will be different
waxen orbit
They wonโt Trea. I been playing prot for 10 years and if thereโs one thing I know, itโs that Blizz will take every expansion as an opportunity to drop a deuce on our class
inland raft
Been playing off and in since vanilla prot is my first love
sick sentinel
well, say i do want to try another run as glory leggo,
waxen orbit
sick sentinel
do i value from other talents in these situations?
median timber
can someone hit me up with a mouseover intervene macro
waxen orbit
Not at my pc rn but when I get to it Iโll slide it to you
median timber
๐
sick sentinel
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
sick sentinel
im reversing it to do charge first, since i have intervene bound, and way i put macro in this chat makes it prio the intervene, so you try to charge and it intervenes the hunter
median timber
ty @sick sentinel that proks perfectly
dark plover
Best raid trinkets?
blazing condor
Sack of terror + phial
for damage
if you want more defense you can choose a lot of different combos
OWS/Scale/Aegis/Matrix are all good
dark plover
Ows + Phial okay or for raid?
blazing condor
definitely
i never was arsed to get the Sack so i ran OWS/Phial
i can still parse 99s with that combo if that's what youre after
strong forum
10.0, you wake up in a tavern bed, sargeras just stabbed silithus
but we couldnt contain it with the artifact weapons
distant crystal
we both needed it too, ya love to see it
strong forum
distant crystal
Was still using 226 
mellow gorge
mmm, more leech
sweet summit
mmm
mellow gorge
i want to use this instead of my haste mast speed ๐ฆ
but i lose big chunk of haste ๐ฆ
sick sentinel
i ran pf+13 on time, pretty much perfect, final boss didn't see lock gate and triggered it trying to attack slime add, die, watch life flash before eyes, take rez do it, 2 chest even
ocean yoke
in all stats going fast af boi is king
sick sentinel
thats why i picked glory necro
ocean yoke
ill just blame the healer
sick sentinel
im not sure if healer was throwing shade but at end of dungeon they said "lol that was painful" 13pf
we 2 chested it
cinder nova
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/908952663280996372/unk...
Fuck you I'm like 80 PFs deep for that bastard
I hate you so much atm
sick sentinel
how do i check how many spires and pf i ran in s2
blazing condor
you can count on the RIO page
sick sentinel
13 times for PF, 7 times for spires, 9 dos times for keys at least, i am running the zeros
i used to really have and extreme hatred for PF but its not so bad any more
robust rover
239 RDM, 220 OWS, 246 Anima Field Emitter. I feel like I should always use the RDM. For M+ would you use the low ilvl OWS over Anima ?
tropic gorge
sick sentinel
i'll never be orange probably
urban portal
just go pug bro
strong forum
I'll also never be orange
jagged pier
Pink or gold
distant crystal
grey gang
light plinth
Is Whirlwind worth it with the Merciless Bonegrinder conduit, and Seismic Reverberations? as prot
blazing condor
๐คทโโ๏ธ
mellow gorge
you never use WW as prot
revenge is better
how are you gonna bladestorm
without signet? as prot
sweet summit
if you for some reason is running bonegrinder then yes it is worth pressing whirlwind during the buff
mellow gorge
ye, but won't work with seismic sadly
mellow gorge
it works on ravager?
sweet summit
๐
mellow gorge
well then
time to run a pure dps build
screw shieldblock
45s ravager pumping WW here i go
sweet summit
not using bonegrinder and just pressing revenge is better tho
mellow gorge
true
true
especially with seismic
i ought to try it out tbf
and see how big it can pump
sick sentinel
those traps in SD really hurt apparently
minimum 42k, yeah i never remember any of the mechanics from that place ever, cuz i never run that dungeon
sick sentinel
Stat comparison: would you rather have 10% vers or 10% crit for m+?
And ia it word going crit over vers? Cause i read crit is really good for m+?
sweet summit
crit for damage vers for defensiveness
sick sentinel
Crit gives parry right? Also defensive
sick sentinel
So is it worth it to go for 11% vers and 22% crit? Or 24%vers and 10% crit? Coordinated group
sturdy sable
Well
The vers isnt going to save your life
And crit is your best dps stat and has more value in keys than it would in raid (defensively)
sturdy sable
And ia it word going crit over vers? Cause i read crit is really good for m+?
Crits considered "better" then it would be in raid because of the shear amount of white hits you have to tank in keys giving you more opportunities to parry said hits
sick sentinel
Have to give this a try cause of it is true that crit is equal to vers i might be even more broken in keys
sturdy sable
I run 32% crit and like 25% haste and what ever is left is in mastery and verse but im gearing strictly for higher dps inside of raids as prot
And in keys i do mongo dps (but i only run 19s and lower)
So i can revenge spam pretty comfortabley
sick sentinel
You probably run seismic in keys i geuss :p
sick sentinel
With 10% crit and reprisal i run an everage of 6,5 to 7k depending in dung
And this will be ever higher if i go crit? 0.o
sturdy sable
Well vers is still a good dps stat crit just happens to be our best stat
But yes it would go higher
sick sentinel
Damn thnx alot gonna try this ๐
sturdy sable
Np man have fun
sick sentinel
What about trink setup? I run matrix and phial for keys
sturdy sable
If your getting ass blasted it does good damage
sick sentinel
But if you read the discription it only reflects a certain amount of dmg?
sick sentinel
So it shouldnโt matter if it is worn by a DK or monk
sick sentinel
1,2k ish reflect it says on 233 ilvl
urban portal
the tooltip is bugged currently
sick sentinel
What you mean?
urban portal
well anyways
i remember someone saying it earlier
but lemme explain to you
lets say its a 1.2k reflect right now
that means you have to take 12k damage to reflect 1.2k
dks on average take 9k per melee in a 27
prot warriors take 4.5k in a 27 on average
neither class is touching the cap
so prot warrior gets half the value that dks get
sturdy sable
Might be on a DK but warriors mitigate alot of upfront damage and codex scales with damage taken
sick sentinel
Codex does in raid on my DK (236 ilvl) avarage of 5 to even 8% of my dmg
sturdy sable
Yeah but comparing % class to class is a bad idea
sick sentinel
Yeah i know haha
sturdy sable
And your using codex on the one class that it performs well on
Codex doesnt jive well with mitigation tanks
sick sentinel
I just cant seem to get my hands on it on my warrior to test things
sturdy sable
^ this
jagged pier
jagged pier
mists
blazing condor
ez
jagged pier
ironically thought i would just hope into a 17 to test bonegrinder and bam 10k
jagged pier
well no
ive hit like 9.950 or something without it
and the game play loop on bonegrinder during thoughs like 12 sec where u want to hold rage for when rav falls off is kind of unfun
and u really want to minmax it otherwise its useless tbh
sick sentinel
Kyrian prot warrior, rare sight
blazing condor
jagged pier
and if your talking about the screenshot i was NF ๐ค
mellow gorge
ive hit like 9.950 or something without it
Which leggo were you running?
jagged pier
seismic
mellow gorge
Ah I see
sick sentinel
Very stupid question incoming but it is 90% my job to soak boss 1 orbs of SD?
I must've skipped over him on tank notes more concerned about final hallway and 2nd boss
blazing condor
Nah it's not really a tank thing
soaking the orbs do aoe damage to everyone
you soak your own
usually people run away to leave the orbs far away from the boss. If needed, the tank will kite the boss away from the orbs (since they move towards the boss) to give the healer time to top everyone and spread out the damage
so not all orbs pop at the same time and kill everyone and so the orbs dont touch the boss
sick sentinel
Might have to actually use showtooltip ignore pain /cast revenge, can't remember exactly but think it was dos 14 and it came out I had like 403 casts of ip
blazing condor
yeah thats a lot of casts
sick sentinel
Tried to put it to reset 3 seemed okay, then messed up macro somehow wasn't working
blazing condor
i had 157 casts of IP on the last DOS i logged and i probably cast IP more than most
sick sentinel
Didn't want to set it to a 75%+ duration reset like 8s of the 10-12 it exists, possible to put up ip and then it's instantly broken need new one but macro would screw me
the =part got deleted from it most likely
lime urchin
Meme?! ๐ฎ
sick sentinel
anywhere i put IP it seems on left side of alphabet side of KB finger is told mash IP
stuck scaffold
Is the whole showtooltip ignore pain /cast Revenge thing a meme or is there actually something going on I don't know? Lol
sweet summit
it's a meme
sick sentinel
when you have 400 some casts of IP in 14 dos maybe not so much a meme
sweet summit
no, it's still a meme
strong forum
in sd 17 i cast 181 IP
i was 230 ilvl tho so nowadays itd be less
i think
165 in soa 17 with 225 ilvl
strong forum
i cast 36 IP in mists 17 when i played seismiec
you dont have a current log uploaded
but in the 1 where i unzipped my omega havoc DH you also cast IP 36 times
jagged pier
That was a long time ago
sick sentinel
err well, you hav to get that 0.01 to put you to 0.5 which rounds it up
jagged pier
If i get slyv shield , and 252 trinkets might be 255
sweet summit
tanks are not allowed to get gear
jagged pier
well rip, all your ~10k dps runs invalid then
I mean it wouldnt have shown up as 10.2k on logs anyway
sweet summit
wth
strong forum
prolly gna get ows aswell
jagged pier
Have her unlocked now
For vault so can
Literally only things left are from her now
And legs to finish tmog set
jagged pier
MY QUEEN
blazing condor
sylvanas in p1.5 watching us get stunned for 30 sec
jagged pier
Just skip
strong forum
skip it and ship it
sick sentinel
this is supposed to be one of most piss easy weeks for keys outside of couple high damage bosses yeah?
strong forum
ye
sick sentinel
feels easy
strong forum
if you manage bursting, you dont have any affixes basically
sick sentinel
volcanic goes where it pleases and can appear in some nasty spots, but whatever
sick sentinel
i mean, tbf i am trying to run this as necro glory, don't want to crutch argument ther
rose furnace
How big is shield ilvl with survivability? I currently only have a 220 and I'm scared of feeling like tissue paper.
inland raft
220 is fine
strong forum
shield ilvl is the single most important thing
inland raft
Been doing 14/15s on my alliance alt that is 203 ilvl with a 163 shield
But ya shield is most important
strong forum
but with 220 you should be fine in normal content
inland raft
Though i did finally get a new shield last night, my alliance gnome adventures about to take off
sick sentinel
if you are running with uncordinated pugs just put on your BIS i'd say unless really confident
rose furnace
Last time I really tanked was the end of 8.3 when you were juiced with Twilight Devastation and so much stats+azerite neck that you didn't care
strong forum
well shield ilvl was just as important there
sick sentinel
pugs is a total different story with no plan or no communication lol
strong forum
but it got sugar coated a bit more
strong forum
yup
rose furnace
That axe from manor with the bleed effect/darkest dungeon flavor text
inland raft
My alliance goal now is to pass my horde tank on io, which wont be hard i havnt played in literal months and was inly doing low 20s then, long ago enough that at the time it placed me in top 20 prots
Only diff is im having to pug on alliance
strong forum
well it is their best stat
inland raft
Idk havnt played dk since was new, but assuming they want all the dr they can get to live initial hit so they can ds?
sick sentinel
in BFA i played with a DK, and he did alot of pvp, so he would never shut up about versa
inland raft
I mean all pvpers are vers whores no matter the class
sick sentinel
pally healer we ran with was all about crit
sick sentinel
what healer would benefit most from the mastery buff i can provide, dps as well as healing
inland raft
Give it to the dps
blazing condor
will theorycrafters need to re-test the banners when 9.2 goes live? considering the new Leggos n such
sick sentinel
there is zero chance that glory rep is not busted AF
i know for fact before even seeing it i seen far into future
inland raft
Nf leggo pretty nice too 15 second lock down on casters lines up perfectly with kicks but ya glory seems good
jagged pier
In pure ST banner is already better
sick sentinel
probably strong in fort raging/bolster as well, you'd always have SB up, and you'd have like, i dunno 60% crit block chance.
plush tendon
I think Kyrian, NF and NL will all be pretty good come 9.2
and hopfully for different things ๐
so constant swapping
sick sentinel
kyrain will be one of top contenders for fort weeks when combined with rep
plush tendon
I think NF could be baller to
as long as you can keep them in the Shock
but lets bring out the violins for Venthyr
sick sentinel
im very interested to see more lore behind maldraxxus in future with the primus
plush tendon
Maldraxxus is super cool
Necrolords are the coolest cov, have the best 'minigame' with Timmy builder, decent hall layout, and 3 good soulbinds
the worst thing about being Necro is that the training dummies are in a dumb spot
sick sentinel
the obvious conclusion to the current story so far is that the primus finds the haven place and gets his shit together and attacks and kills/hinders/traps/prisons whatever the jailer, thats the good end
inland raft
Keeping them in aa is easy since the constant stuns really reduce damage taken, all three will be fun i think
plush tendon
Also, banner CD time is sadge
inland raft
But ya pour one out for the venthyr bar major changes
plush tendon
just a awkward time for Warrior... a 2 min
sick sentinel
seems like you can extend the time alot by rage dumping
no idea on possible maximum time, but i want to say 30s
rose furnace
The last stand rage conduit
strong forum
the max duration of banner is over 70seconds
rose furnace
Idk if you can spend the rage fast enough
How fast do you get back last stand through AM while banner is up
sick sentinel
cast sequence SB, IP, rev, ?IV?
strong forum
cast sequence is execute execute execute execute
sick sentinel
that too
strong forum
otherwise just do what you have to do to not overcap but generate as much rage as possible
sick sentinel
70s awful long execute timer
rose furnace
this guy stuck in bfa
strong forum
opener is 64sec
rose furnace
No wonder I'm having problems
strong forum
current prot is harder than bfa prot
strong forum
2button spec
no wonder youre having issues
you played the worst VDH iteration ever
rose furnace
The utility was nice in some of the castle nathria fights
strong forum
dh? utility?
rose furnace
Mainly thinking of the birds on sun king
sick sentinel
mouse wheel down is only way im doing execute spam for 70s
rose furnace
Fuck those birds
inland raft
idk bfa vdh was even worse i think
rose furnace
Chains and sigils are pretty good
inland raft
at least at start, i quit halfway through
strong forum
bfa dh played spb, which is infinetely better than whatever dogshit theyre doing now
plush tendon
The issue with BFA VDH..... did no damage till TD and wasnt tanky except against Shadow of Zul
plush tendon
at least thats how I remember it
strong forum
nothing could touch you
sick sentinel
my issue stems from that in vanilla 2004 wow i started as ret paladin, 0 button class
plush tendon
my issue stems from that in vanilla 2004 wow i started as ret paladin, 0 button ...
well, lets be real. Vanilla specs are 1 button specs
rose furnace
Maybe I go back to Brewmaster monk
sick sentinel
and anyy attacks i did have long cd or use all my mana
inland raft
but ya im doing this alliance adventure for fun, took dh over thinking hey lets just play that aaand nope... boosted another warrior instead
fuck vdh
plush tendon
Once you go Warrior, you dont go back
inland raft
been warrior since vanilla, always come back, my longest time away was legion-bfa but that was combo of literally quitting the game for a while and then going on a dps stint