Then again fury gets same value but with 30sec less cd on bladestorm
#protection
cinder nova
Yeah it's 7s
mystic warren
Go away raz
autumn pendant
Cba
serene galleon
Hey guys. Fresh prot warr alt, need to farm torghast for cinders (guessing 9 is the play, it usually is) whatโs the most efficient way to do this as a warrior? Is it prot? Any particular talents or lego? Currently NF, need to speed farm for cinders and renown.
Ilvl currently 215.
cinder nova
Arms absolutely slaps.
cinder nova
Yer wut
jagged pier
I meam from what i saw 8.5k is still low damage for adding an extra button that does nothing your rotation just saying
hollow bolt
the one where if ww hits 3 targets it spins again
hollow bolt
oh yeah thats what its called!
cinder nova
It also procs off revenge.
cinder nova
Yeah
cinder nova
I meam from what i saw 8.5k is still low damage for adding an extra button that ...
I mean, that's the first time I did it, and I didn't have nearly the optics to make ideal use of it. The fact that I had less than 1/3rd the WW casts and did more than 1/3rd the damage of Revenge should tell you all you need to know.
jagged pier
Yer but ive done like 9k with rep alone
And 9.9k with seismic and just revenge doesnt seem worth it at all
Espeically as u get ss procs from revenge and its 20 rage and ww is 30 rage and does nothing
cinder nova
It hits harder than Revenge with Bonegrinder up.
jagged pier
Pretty sure the testing des did it showed it was about the same
For more rage
And no SS procs
Like it was 4 revenge casts vs 3 WW casts or somthing and revenge was still just ahead
hollow bolt
oh yeah question guys
what leggoes u all using
still using reprisal for keys higher then 15?
ive been memeing iwth banner but damn can those 15s slap
cinder nova
I don't put on Reprisal for anything below a 21.
jagged pier
I dont do anything above a 20 so i just have seismic
cinder nova
Like it was 4 revenge casts vs 3 WW casts or somthing and revenge was still just...
Are those numbers pre or post 915
cinder nova
Weird. Every dummy test I do WW is doing more than Rev cast for cast in AOE
jagged pier
Yer but casts for casts dont work
cinder nova
And that's with BSC
jagged pier
1 costs more rage per cast
cinder nova
Yeah, but you're not casting it over Rev, you're using it on a 7s window every 45s where it's a higher DPS output
cinder nova
I dunno, the math I'm seeing shows the 4 WW casts are still more DPS.
I'm using my numbers currently.
wait
hold on
Yeah.
4 casts at 1.21 GCD with no crits with bonegrinder is 5699 DPS
6 casts at 1.21 GCD with revenge is 4082 DPS
Also that assumes every revenge is a 50% proc with BSC
This is also assuming each cast triggers SR
Would I suggest anyone try this in higher keys? No, absolutely not. It's probably not worth it, even if you can pull it off with shit like trees running interference since you're dumping everything on offense and getting nothing back - no SS procs, like you said.
Is it going to make your 15/16s go faster for farming vault pad? Probably.
I can show my work if it fancies.
And this is also assuming a 239 bonegrinder. I don't even have a 252
That being said, the overall damage is less by about 1K and some change.
cinder nova
Actually, closer to 2K
pallid musk
Fae with AA stun / Soulshape do great in kiting
cinder nova
But that's also assuming a 4:6 cast/GCD ratio... assuming you toss in a TC and either a Rev or SS on the 5th and 6th GCD you're still doing more damage and more DPS than 6 Revenges.
pallid musk
I wonder why marco
#showtooltips Demoralizing Shout
/Cast Demoralizing Shout
/Cast Shield Block
Is not good? Can anyone give me a tip ?
And i had Survival problem when i donโt have rage for shield block
jagged pier
Macroing anything defensive together is bad practice
ionic fern
Good morning.
1)It doesn't show you the CD of SB since it's using DS tooltip
2)You don't want to DS when starting an encounter, you want to get SB up as fast as possible. Even if running Reprisal you would still SB as one of your first abilities to get the CD rolling and then dump the extra rage into Revenge for threat
3)Just using DS on CD is dumb in most scenarios as it's one of our abilities which also reduces magic damage, making it a lot more beneficial against some packs than others
4)You generally have SB charges for the start of the encounter but things get messy once they run out - using DS+SB at the start of the pack is mostly an overkill as SB by itself provides enough mitigation to get you through. You could save DS for when your SB runs out and get A LOT more benefits from it that way
Also since idk what talents/legendaries you're running but if you're using BV+Reprisal it would mean you are furthermore losing rage since
Charge+BV+Avatar = 110 rage.
pallid musk
BV?
ionic fern
Booming Voice.
ionic fern
So all in all - do yourself a favour and don't use that macro but rather use the abilities independently as the need arises.
pallid musk
Hm, i do Charge - Avatar / Banner (Necrolord ability) blood frenzy (orc) - Thunder clap - SB. Is that not recommend?
If i run Represial i would take revenge instead for TC
My aggro feel great. Had no issue with that. Just survival in late of fight with raging
ionic fern
Are you talking m+ atm or raids?
pallid musk
M+
ionic fern
Cause if you're talking m+ you should be using Reprisal regardless.
pallid musk
In most of scenario i working to gear my warr from DK that i master Very good. Yeah i found that shield Wall isnt good
Crafted shield Wall but now i went to Represial over it
ionic fern
Ravager -> Charge->Avatar+SB->InsertCovenantAbilityHere->TC->Revenge
If you know you will be hitting everything in the pack you can also Revenge->TC as it provides more initial damage.
If you're running out of CD's before the pack dies there are a lot of various possibilities:
1)Your DPS'ers are bad and the pack is tacking too long to die
2)You are not utilising SB with Reprisal properly (Intervene on CD, leap->Charge mid combat)
3)You are not using your other defensive CD's like Last Stand, Shield Wall, Demoralizing Shout to cover for gaps in SB up-time
You should be in the ~75+% effective SB up-time usage with Reprisal..and that's on the lower side.
pallid musk
Ah, it give a good answer. About shockweave / DS - should i use them when SB is on cd?
ionic fern
You can use Shockwave to help you kite and/or interrupt some casts if everything else is on CD.
DS alone is not enough to keep you alive in higher keys when you don't have SB available. You can stack it together with IP but that will only work in the lower key range also.
DS reduces ALL the damage you take making it a desirable CD for attacks that are not blockable.
And regarding the SB up-time.
Charge->SB->SB->Charge->Intervene->SB
That's already 30 seconds of SB up-time. ๐
ionic fern
TC is your rotational rage generator - you use it on CD.
Shockwave CAN be used to kite, it can also be used to interrupt things or sync casts for Spell Reflection etc.
You Shockwave according to the situation you are in.
If you are worried about kiting you just Leap away.
pallid musk
Going be fun to try Represial lego when i read your advice up
Havenโt tested and being running Necrolord. I dobut Kyrian spear is good or Even Night Fae AA for extra CD / stun on Raging
But thanks next week is bursting going demand more IP / spell reflect
blazing condor
Shockwave has way more value as an interrupt than kite-tool in m+
But some mobs (like gargons in hoa) is nice to use it just to create distance
tawdry dirge
how much of a defensive gain it would be switching from AM to HR i did see many of the big boys on rio run HR in high keys
tawdry dirge
you have SB way more up but losing the SW reducion
jagged pier
U dont have it up way more
It just allows u to get to like 95-100% blocked hits instead of 80-90
tawdry dirge
iirc with am and reprisal alone u have like 75-80 blocked anyway
fair play,.. and the extra rage gain can be dumpt into IP or isnt that much worth it
jagged pier
Well no 75 is actually pretty low with proper rep use
Like 75 is what i get when i dont bother tracking sb
They only take it in high keys because they want to extra blocked hits
And 2
They are usually shot calling and with HR u dont need to play around rep as much to get full value
So they focus less on rep and can call more
tawdry dirge
also how much worth is 5 HCdomslots vs 4 +one 252with socket
jagged pier
Well jas or zed dont really do much
So thats up to u
Personally i still ran 5 even with 252 options
tawdry dirge
thats what i did so far
strong forum
It's a tiny tiny difference
Not worth breaking your head over
Just run w/e you feel better with
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
252 piece or the 5th shard
tawdry dirge
well atm i am searching a bit for the ichy bit more cause i strugl now with 19/20s keys
but maybe my dpser just need to do more deeps ๐
kill things befor they kill u right
jagged pier
tawdry dirge
but thanks for ya inputs guys
teal swift
Heres hoping for RDM
wooden spruce
hello everyone! so after reading a bit (yes this warrior can read), i saw that kyrian=nf for prot. I'm currently kyrian, i also go dps and do some pvp so, its worth going nf? mostly because im tired of having all of my tanks (except my bear) going kyrian because its the best for them
strong forum
That's up to you. Kyrian is better in pvp aswell and preferable in m+, but NF is better in raid and just as good in m+
So as I keep saying, pick whichever shade of blue you prefer
jagged pier
I mean it really doesnt matter u can literally switch in 2 seconds
wooden spruce
ok, i will try out nf then and see if i litke it, thanks everyone
latent pier
How high we talking for HR? 20+?
lofty widget
i'd say closer to 25
mellow bridge
higher
25 sounds about right
altho imo in some dungeons you need it sooner than in others
or rather becomes more valuable sooner
sick sentinel
i've been trying out am+iv+NL, but it needs 3rd tree probably and RK
before i'll take it to content (n,h+raid/10+keys for me), still have mik 80 build ready to go any second, crafted 235 glory belt last night
steady linden
any special reason Kyr gem is so good in m+?
sick sentinel
im totally wrong person to ask, i have 239 chest from TWquest and 213 gloves from arms LFR
i couldn't even tell you what gems i put in for sure ones i get more heal, others im not sure
steady linden
Just curious, since other tanks recommend the Cor, Dyz and Bek gems for dps
lofty widget
kyr just amounts to a lot of healing of the course of a dungeon
sweet summit
well cor, dyz and bek are better for damage if that's what you want 
teal swift
How much?
steady linden
Alright so its simply a good defensive gem is all
steady linden
Righto, that makes sense and explains it.
I have been tanking alot as guardian, and noone talked about the defensive gems hehe
sweet summit
wonder why hehe
sick sentinel
steady linden
hehe
sick sentinel
this is what i got for vault
teal swift
I have 9/10h
steady linden
You got a 252, hope it will sumfin gud
teal swift
And 10 1t+
sick sentinel
have to find a way to silence that ignore addon too, i like it, but i can't stand that spam login text
teal swift
I ran like 33 keys this week
sweet summit
๐
latent pier
Fingers crossed for 252 helm
teal swift
Between warrior and dk, I think I'm over 55 keys
teal swift
Why not
sick sentinel
i really don't
teal swift
I want enjoy just running dungeons
sick sentinel
that sounds like far far too many for me lol
most i ever ran in a week is like, 20, and they sure as hell not 18s and 20's
deserve hero medal for run 50 keys in a week
sick sentinel
even people you get on with well it still is tought, i'd hav to have a rotation of groups i could go with
people i could trust and fit meta, but like not douchebags and one groups melee ones magic (me/dh/mage/lockorboomy/fill vs me/rogue/hunter/dkormonk/fill)
strong forum
Between warrior and dk, I think I'm over 55 keys
Do you not have a job?
Cuz... That's more keys than I've prolly done all of SL
strong forum
Naruhodo
jagged pier
but kyr is definitely the best defensive shard
Nah brah if i have the dps gem mobs die faster, mobs dont hurt when dead
sweet summit
well you see
jagged pier
I would do more keys of nome and erga actually liked playing with me and mwahi 
jagged pier
HEY OLDMAN im only 2 days younger than u
strong forum
jagged pier
KEKW
sick sentinel
nomer is very well composed and dosn't freak the fuck out is difference
i seen his streams, man is a madlad saint
strong forum
๐
jagged pier
๐
brittle owl
mellow gorge
i think the total keys i've done so far since i've started playing again is 50
or so
sick sentinel
i'd guess uhh, 150 keys since shadowlands launch, 200 including all the low ones
mellow gorge
yeah i'm just 50 total
blazing condor
Iโm a one def pure
strong forum
7-8k, but I didn't play much tank in s2
jagged pier
7.4-9.9 depending on leggo and dungeon
sick sentinel
depends on size of pulling too
strong forum
Well it averages out over the dungeon
sick sentinel
if you pull bigger you can do more dps, but you have to juggle more mechanics for that pull
jagged pier
Not really i never do outrageous pulls, as i pug a lot
mellow gorge
let's say, DoS and Mists
mystic warren
just only run sanguine and you'll feel like you do great dps all the time
or low mists
mellow gorge
just normal decent sized pulls
sick sentinel
like, if you combine the first 2 pulls of mists, you can kill that at once, but you have to actual interupt avoid and reflect n shit
strong forum
DoS my best was like 7.6k mists 8.2k
mellow gorge
I'm just confused since i can't reach those numbers
and i'm wondering what am I missing
strong forum
Buttons and gear
mellow gorge
hmm
strong forum
In mists you can pull 10k
mystic warren
probably not hitting revenge enough
mellow gorge
nah revenge is being mashed alright
mellow gorge
but i'm averaging at 6k ?
mystic warren
In mists you can pull 10k
provided you run seismic, would be very difficult otherwise
mellow gorge
not more not less
strong forum
Eh, late managed 9.6k in mists with reprisal
Don't underestimate reprisals dmg output
The rage gain + revenge procs are alot of dmg
mellow gorge
ye i'm using them every chance i get
making sure to charge weave/intervene on cc
just unsure what i'm lacking, might be the trinkets in the end
mystic warren
yeah but I'm very doubtful of a 10k mist with that, lower keys packs will die too quick and higher keys you don't get to use revenge quite as much as you like
mellow gorge
considering how i have scale/anima field emitter
jagged pier
yeah but I'm very doubtful of a 10k mist with that, lower keys packs will die to...
Ive done 9.9k twice this week in mists
mellow gorge
it might be what i'm missing
or that i need a better weapon since mine is sitting at 226
mystic warren
Ive done 9.9k twice this week in mists
with reprisal?
jagged pier
Nah but ive donr likr 9.5k
strong forum
Jakey is fucking 253 equipped or some bullshit
mellow gorge
what i might be lacking is as said a weapon
so hopefully i get that tmrw
since sitting at 244 and averaging at 6k is sadge
mystic warren
what trinkets jakey?
best mist I've got with reprisal is 9.2
but I did run aegis and matrix
strong forum
Also, the better your group, the bigger your overall
mellow gorge
i need to get PIed smh
strong forum
Having pulls die instantly is also a huge benefactor for overall dps
Just check mdi numbers for mists
Tanks pulling up to 13k dps
On a 21
Their pulls aren't any bigger than on live
But quick af
jagged pier
what trinkets jakey?
Phial and sack/ phial and matrix
My phial is only 246 as well
mystic warren
which of the 3 does more for your overall?
mellow gorge
sack?
strong forum
Sack does 300-350 dps
mellow gorge
but what is sack
strong forum
Sack of terror thingy from tazavesh
mystic warren
at 20+ I'm fond of aegis for dmg too, 8sec of spamming revenge without having to spend anything defensively can be a godsend on a lot of pulls
just very hard to get real numbers on it
strong forum
Sack generally does slightly more than phial in m+ but it doesn't have mainstat so it's less dmg than phial
Matrix can do just as much
So overall its not a loss unless your matrix procs are unlucky
jagged pier
which of the 3 does more for your overall?
Honestly on average they all do around the same
Like it is really down to procs i tend to keep phial and just swap sack for matrix when i go higher
sick sentinel
252 NW ring and shield but its 246, and wrong stats
i can upgrade shield i got i get 2k io
mellow bridge
you cant upgrade further than 246
sick sentinel
yeah, one i got now is haste mastery, 242 vs 246 crit versa
so, probably just go with ring,
mellow bridge
oh that's what you meant
sick sentinel
bursting and volcanic, i can live with that
digital arch
250 ilvl finally!
sweet summit
potent anvil
Crit prot owns
sick sentinel
9% crit here
lime urchin
Yall look at stats?!
blazing condor
Yall play the game?
strong forum
If it ain't crit haste, I don't want it
primal cape
strong forum
Very hated and critiqued
potent anvil
Crit ๐
sick sentinel
i could probably make rank 6 crit/haste rep again have a second rep
strong forum
Kleia padding
viral arch
Kleia padding
do we need to have that discussion again
if it exists, it's not padding
where's my wesmart emote
spiral warren
potent anvil
My prot set with decanter and gland trinkets
strong forum
where's my wesmart emote
I can see it
strong forum
Which one
modern brook
SD
strong forum
Ya is aight
jagged pier
yer its aight
modern brook
"fucks" == not absolute dog shit like ive been saying
strong forum
Should be like 250dps
modern brook
roughly yeah
burnt pawn
Is it worth playing the shield wall lego on mythic sylv over reprisal?
burnt pawn
okay
teal swift
I'll live with this
tame jasper
Gz. I hope to get HC OWS tomorrow
sick sentinel
where haste
way you guys talk about dk now reminds me of this
quake predicted future
cinder nova
Did DK get a major DPS buff?
strong forum
no
cinder nova
Why the talk of blood? I'm pretty blind to other classes
sick sentinel
Withering Ground (Night Fae Conduit) + Impenetrable Gloom (Venthyr Conduit) damage effect increased by 50%, kyrian shackle the unworthy up from 50% spread to 100% spread but 10% less dmg
viral arch
Withering Ground (Night Fae Conduit) + Impenetrable Gloom (Venthyr Conduit) dama...
none of those are relevant changes though
like, the real fun part was wednesday to friday when shackle would gain 3s per spread target
but that got fixed
sick sentinel
anybody else out there trying necrolord?
teal swift
Why the talk of blood? I'm pretty blind to other classes
Tank chats are welcome to all tanks
This is brewlounge 2.0
cinder nova
It's more of a "why the sudden uptick in blood DK speak? Did something change that makes them whacky?" kind of inquiry than a "fuck you, this is warrior chat".
cinder nova
Womp womp
teal swift
Top tier raid tank
cinder nova
Is it still dumpster DPS?
sick sentinel
whenever i would listen to my friends on discord doing a key (paladin dk) it would always be, "whoa! that guy hit me for a lot i'm low hp, deathstriking" "oh shit what was that that killed me?"
cinder nova
K E K
Yeah, I never see DK tanks and all the paladin tanks I see are paper.
Honestly, Prot Paladin in keys seems like it requires a bit of care and some thought.
They don't strike me as particularly robust.
Not like warrior, monk, or bear which can just eat damage pretty handily.
Or VDH who can heal and kite at much more regular intervals.
sick sentinel
3 more chapters and i get final soulbind
the plan for me is to do necrolord then venthyr
viral arch
It's more of a "why the sudden uptick in blood DK speak? Did something change th...
everybody wants BDK to be hot shit every patch
everybody ends up being a hot mess on the floor instead
the original floorpov
versed rock
What is the best def legy for sylvanas mythic?
cinder nova
Probably Rep or The Wall if I had to guess.
Lotta magic damage, so either could be worth it.
strong forum
Bdk has a huge amount of fanbois
viral arch
I mean, the archetype rings true for most people
strong forum
Always people hopped on massive amounts of hopium
viral arch
independent self-healing machine of doom
viral arch
shame it got hit so many times by the "we want healers to lift tanks up" that it's neither independent, nor machine of doom, and they'll likely come for the self-healing part after seeing high key logs
sick sentinel
is cinders farm uncapped now or just ash
viral arch
cinders also uncapped
sick sentinel
it'd be 90k gold for me to get the belt piece anyways, but, i want to get the 262 glory first
whenever i can, hopefullywithout gettin wow tokens, if its possible
strong forum
How are leggos still so much on your server
strong forum
Last time I checked a 262 was 30k
viral arch
we have a cartel of 4 people that cornered the entire leggo market
sick sentinel
just r 4/5/6 are cheap af
sick sentinel
and this is the non dom socketed slot right?
strong forum
Belt is, yes
Non-dom
Dom sockets are on helmets, shoulders, chest wrist and gloves for plate
sick sentinel
dom sockets could have been all expansion long, and in leggos by default
strong forum
Dom sockets are a mistake
They should only have the set bonuses
And only in raid
Period
viral arch
even that was a mistake
parasitic design at its best
"HEY LOOK YOU DO MORE DAMAGE"
and outside of the frost set there's no interaction
literally none
it just piggybacks
strong forum
Yeup
viral arch
frost set requires a tiny bit of thought
strong forum
"b-but it's just like tiersets!"
sweet summit
shut up nome i will ban you
sick sentinel
tier sets increased the power of my judgements
jagged pier
"b-but it's just like tiersets!"
viral arch
shut up nome i will ban you
surprised it's not done yet
you should've seen what he said last time he came to acherus
viral arch
sweet summit
LMFAO
viral arch
I met a BDK in alt +15s this week that did this
they then died and proceeded to go "why healer why????"
profile matches
sick sentinel
is that the equivilant of me going in and hitting nothing but revenge
sweet summit
literally me when i play bdk
strong forum
:Kapp:
sick sentinel
Revenge is a valid button to press
heres what i know about BDK they are emo AF, wear metal armor with skulls, and they like undead things
strong forum
So what you're saying is
I shouldve been a bdk
I hope Mandl teaches me well. Sounds like my time has come
sick sentinel
bdk seems like fun, have to remember i spent 8.0 to 8.3 with dk main
strong forum
From all my 2 keys I've done on bdk I can confidently say, I hate it's rotation
Where dmg button ๐
viral arch
From all my 2 keys I've done on bdk I can confidently say, I hate it's rotation
death's caress spammer
it's the death strike button
sick sentinel
prot warrior dk and holy paladin, ninja any gear we want lol
pallid musk
i hittig around 6-7k as BDK
viral arch
sick sentinel
and i can trade mogs to other ppl
pallid musk
in oponer
sick sentinel
good times
viral arch
But where is actual dmg
where's my shield of the righteous emote
strong forum
Illegal
sweet summit
revenj
pallid musk
back to point, BDK is really fun spec
strong forum
For others, I can see it, but I really didn't have a fun time when I played it
sick sentinel
i cannot do dk for the life of me
viral arch
it's like BM hunter, some people love it, some hate it
sick sentinel
i am too special ed for dk
viral arch
you just get used to your little blue second HP bar
sick sentinel
you get used to that, it feels weird but it's fine
strong forum
That being said, haven't played bdk since bfa s1 and that was the first time since wrath for me to play it
So I'm an expert
sick sentinel
just don't let your HP bar hit 0 duh
pallid musk
I was S1 Vengance DH - BDK and now learning prot
The tank spec i enjoyed most was actually BDK
strong forum
Bfa s1 was like "okay now im pooling runic power for bonestorm but almost die doing so"
sick sentinel
its opposite of what your doing on VDH then, you sit and take the hits as Pwar rather than kite and self sustain
viral arch
and then you go full skyrim and wake up in a cart at the instance portal
strong forum
"oh I'm out of anything, guess I sit here afk cuz no runes and no runic power"
sick sentinel
you rely on your party and healer to back you up
strong forum
sick sentinel
dk i played with seemed to do just fine dps in keys
strong forum
"just fine" is a broad term
sick sentinel
better than me when he did his keys could always time faster but whatever
pallid musk
yeah they do fine with dps in AoE situationals
sick sentinel
he'd get 2 or 3 chests and i could only really manage odd 2 chest of something
strong forum
he'd get 2 or 3 chests and i could only really manage odd 2 chest of something
M+ depends on alot more than just tank dps
Could be better routes, better group and or overall just better gameplay
pallid musk
one of my friend had 6.6 K overall as bear in SD 15+ there is easy to get high overall
strong forum
I always prioritised getting clean non-risky dungeons done to time them, even if they weren't the most fun pulls
Or big pulls
6.6k in SD is kinda low
pallid musk
and he took a bit risky pull, trusted team
strong forum
In SD you can get upwards of 9k
sick sentinel
if i ever start to make my keys on youtube a regular thing, you'll begin to notice i do the exact same thing in the exact same way until i learn something and how that functions
always stand in certain position for X pull is big one
strong forum
That's generally how m+ goes
And raiding
Do the same thing 400 times until you figure out something better or Experiment
The more muscle memory you get
The easier the encounter will be
Up until the point where you can literally play the encounter blind
Which is precisely why I think pve is easy
tough fulcrum
what is the best defensive talents for mythic sylvannas?
tough fulcrum
Is heavy repcussions something to play?
strong forum
No
Its terribly useless on sylvanas
And pretty much in all of raid pretty useless
tough fulcrum
how do you guys deal with magic dmg as prot warrior?
mighty valley
Aegis for big dots
tough fulcrum
what is aegis again?
tough fulcrum
oh
pallid musk
spell reflect does only deflect and she shot 3 quick arrows ?
strong forum
Sr also reduces magic dmg taken by 20%
tough fulcrum
spell refliect also decrease magic dmg
pallid musk
There is the most deadly tank mechinals
strong forum
Eh, if you're ready for her tank buster you should be fine
She does no dmg outside of it
tough fulcrum
i struggle so much to clean the piles in p3, do you guys find that hard to, or is it just me?
strong forum
What's your cotank
sick sentinel
i wonder if i could just take all the ID's of monster that "need/should be spell reflected" in the reflect guide and make a WA put image up any time i have one of those guys in combat with me targeted
tough fulcrum
dh
strong forum
Ah unluck
Yeah then you gotta plan CDs to clean platforms
From your healers
Aswell as play anger management + the wall
Makes it so you get SW on a 50-55sec CD
tough fulcrum
i off tank when main is gonne, and we has gotten to prog sylvannas, and its so hard to tank it as warrior
strong forum
It's hard as every tank if you don't know what you're doing
The entire p3 needs to be planned out for you guys
Cleaning pools is stressful
Unless you're talking HC
Then it's w/e
tough fulcrum
i have tanked remenant, the nine, eye, tarrague, pain, fatescribe and kt. Fate is easily the hardes according to me
since you gotta tank both adds in intermission
strong forum
I'm assuming you mean mythic right
tough fulcrum
yes
tough fulcrum
i have heard that prot is trash in the raid
strong forum
Then you've heard wrong
Trust when I say this, not a single tank is bad
In the terms of SL*
Compared to other expansions all tanks are bad but that's another box of Pandora
viral arch
uldir flashbacks intensify
strong forum
I enjoyed uldir
Except zul
That guy is nightmare fuel
3min of screaming
Until dead
tropic gorge
damn. not a super good vault day. max ilvl dungeon shield, which is the upgrade i'll take. the other one thats even tempting are the same belt i'm wearing, but with a socket
digital arch
guys! what weapon do i use? I have two 252, but one give me 1% haste and other 1% vers, what should i get?
strong forum
Haste
digital arch
ty!
sick sentinel
**** before 40% from stats
it doesn't stop being good, it just loses 20% from stats from 40 onward
tropic gorge
oopf wod time walking
i swear we had wod like 1.5 months ago
wtb vanilla time walking pst
sick sentinel
MFW
mellow gorge
Ashen?
Isn't there a better potency
Id argue that show of force might have more value than ashen
sick sentinel
what i've heard is that apparently this is an execute thing
mighty valley
You can sim it, show of force is pretty damn weak
sick sentinel
so, boss would get to 35% hp, and then you'd do avatar/flag/demo maybe last stand for more rage dump on execute, free damage from this capstone conduit
iron drift
you can still heroic leap over the balls on mythic painsmith correct?
slow lintel
sick sentinel
I was under impression that if you use leap over a poisoning circle your position is still counted as being on ground and thus you get hit with potion circle
From what I can tell everyone who was nf or kyrian went the opposite one, nf to kyr kyr to nf
I'm just doing necro warrior try it since nobody else will
sick sentinel
Reprisal legs hast first and either crit for dmg build or vers for def
It's very over powered legendary, used in all content, like 90% of scenarios
sick sentinel
Haste and crit or vers depending if you want dmg or survival
teal swift
im cringing so hard
people are saying overall parses are less important than ilvl
and like who the fuck looks at ilvl parses >?????
distant crystal
huh
cinder nova
Nobody seriously looks at tank parses, let's be honest.
mossy peak
ilvl parses are there for when you are on a severely undergeared alt so you can smirk and say hey look at that, 100 for item level
and that's about it
cinder nova
I mean, even overalls barely ever matter.
urban portal
sometimes its the best we got
im saying for dps in general
yeah tank parses actually dont matter
cinder nova
The difference between 90th-range parses and 95th+ is seldom enough to ever be a serious point of interest or import.
And 99th and 100th parses are literally just cheese and padding 9 times outta 10.
If your tank is green or blue parsing, yeah - that's probably something you can correct and get a little extra value from.
That said, I'm all in for big number shiny.
But I'm also aware it's only for me.
timber cloud
oblique garnet
Parsing is cringe
teal swift
If your tank is green or blue parsing, yeah - that's probably something you can ...
Parsing green / blue? Equip max rank blood set
ocean reef
mossy peak
tank is the easiest role on most fights, what are you doin' besides tryin to parse
browsing reddit on your phone
mossy peak
"ok" and then just go afk
orchid frigate
what do you guys think is faster on an alt. grinding rift for conduit upgrades (226 -> 252) or aim for raiding instead and get some 239 conduits first?
sweet summit
rift if you can find an empty shard and a group
orchid frigate
kk ty
sweet summit
it's apparently extremely competetive now, but you could have good rng 
orchid frigate
still need the friggin embers tho ๐ฆ
sweet summit
yea...
mellow gorge
shush
jagged pier
I mean thats a huge dps chest in terms of stats
sweet summit
banned
mellow gorge
atleast pawn tells me when it's an upgrade
when it's like 30 ilvls above my current one
sick sentinel
I just use ratings buster or convert ratings, is why all of my gear show 155 hast(x.yz%), and go for stats I'm told to go get
sick sentinel
I used to use pawn in 8.0 8.1 maybe
Cuz I was returning and didn't know any better
Some paladin from the alliance suggested it to me
Cuz I was also alliance back in those days before I learned how many horde players there are
teal swift
||delete pawn||
This
sick sentinel
its like anything though isnt it
the idea behind it was probably originally noble
and then it just turned out that the idea either sucked in execution, or it was never meant to be, just a pipe dream
strong forum
ๆฏไธปๅธญ้ขๅฏผๆไปฌๅๅ่ฟ VERSATILITY ้ๅฝๆฉๆฏๅปๅญ KEYS ๅฐๆนพๅฑไบไธญๅฝ VERS่ฅฟ่ๅฑไบไธญๅฝ DAMAGE RRDUCTION ๆฐ็ๆฃ่ฑๆๅฅฝ STREAMER ๆ่ดฅๅฝๆฐๅ TANK ้ฆๆธฏๅฑไบไธญๅฝ
ionic plank
I'd never translated the chinese bit...
ๆฏไธปๅธญ้ขๅฏผๆไปฌๅๅ่ฟ๐จ๐ณ๐จ๐ณ๐จ๐ณ
sick sentinel
sweet summit
ๆฏไธปๅธญ้ขๅฏผๆไปฌๅๅ่ฟ VERSATILITY ้ๅฝๆฉๆฏๅปๅญ KEYS ๅฐๆนพๅฑไบไธญๅฝ VERS่ฅฟ่ๅฑไบไธญๅฝ DAMAGE RRDUCTION ๆฐ็ๆฃ่ฑๆๅฅฝ STREAMER ๆ่ดฅๅฝๆฐๅ TANK ้ฆๆธฏๅฑไบไธญๅฝ
jagged pier
Ping him see if he replys
tropic gorge
Morning guys. Hope everyone had decent luck in their vaults yesterday
ionic plank
today!
mellow gorge
yeee
ionic plank
gm
ionic plank
I got 3 tokens of appreciation!
mellow gorge
bruhe
strong forum
Llarold is in I think every tank cord, why?
ionic plank
working from home because someone in my house has covid
strong forum
He's not very active here but he's here
ionic plank
morning vault ez
tropic gorge
I snagged a 252 shield. Made me happy
ionic plank
congrats
strong forum
Does Llarold hang around here too?
Why? What's up
solid sun
I had no idea prot wars can have 100% uptime on shield block now. ๐
strong forum
We can ever since 9.0.5
solid sun
Haven't touched Prot War all of SL
strong forum
So, roughly 8 months
tropic gorge
If you don't die, are you really trying?
jagged pier
I had no idea prot wars can have 100% uptime on shield block now. ๐
U can that doesnt mean ppl do
lime urchin
Why? What's up
Pure curiosity, nothing more.
lime urchin
I had no idea prot wars can have 100% uptime on shield block now. ๐
But effective uptime?!
violet violet
Hey guys Iโm tanking mythic sod for the first time tonight. Iโve tanked +20โs for reference, and have always dpsโed raid.
Is there a guide or list of tips for prot for each boss?
Or would anyone be willing to share tips for bosses?
Iโll be tanking first 6 bosses
lime urchin
Tanknotes!
strong forum
Tanknotes
lime urchin
HAH!
strong forum
I know you were faster
lime urchin
I am speed
strong forum
Cuz I started typing after you already sent it
lime urchin
Oh ๐ฆ
violet violet
Awesome thanks guys Iโll check em out
strong forum
Nanktotes
gaunt dawn
ThankNotes
jagged pier
But effective uptime?!
100% uptime would be 100% effective uptime but yes u can
lime urchin
No u
jagged pier
I dont play HR so imma press x
lime urchin
I donโt play at all ๐ฆ
sick sentinel
notethanks
jagged pier
I donโt play at all ๐ฆ
sick sentinel
might have to level up my belt smithing to rank 4 so (currently 2) so i can apply the +2 on a 4
have to get 2 belts 262 for glory and for arms
sick sentinel
thats another 262 i'll have to make some point 235 current
brittle owl
ๆฏไธปๅธญ้ขๅฏผๆไปฌๅๅ่ฟ VERSATILITY ้ๅฝๆฉๆฏๅปๅญ KEYS ๅฐๆนพๅฑไบไธญๅฝ VERS่ฅฟ่ๅฑไบไธญๅฝ DAMAGE RRDUCTION ๆฐ็ๆฃ่ฑๆๅฅฝ STREAMER ๆ่ดฅๅฝๆฐๅ TANK ้ฆๆธฏๅฑไบไธญๅฝ
sick sentinel
:S i dont get that meme really even after translating it and learning that taiwan belongs to china
strong forum
The meme is to not translate it
strong forum
It's moreso meant as an aggressive call-out type message
Like a preacher
But as meme and with little coherence
But some
sick sentinel
6.9420%
jagged pier
so how much vers do i need?
0% is the amount u need anymore is whatever
Mael u still pink boi?
brittle owl
so what you're saying jakey
is
ๆฏไธปๅธญ้ขๅฏผๆไปฌๅๅ่ฟ VERSATILITY ้ๅฝๆฉๆฏๅปๅญ KEYS ๅฐๆนพๅฑไบไธญๅฝ VERS่ฅฟ่ๅฑไบไธญๅฝ DAMAGE RRDUCTION ๆฐ็ๆฃ่ฑๆๅฅฝ STREAMER ๆ่ดฅๅฝๆฐๅ TANK ้ฆๆธฏๅฑไบไธญๅฝ
?
jagged pier
brittle owl
haven't played since december 2020
jagged pier
brittle owl
pink boi talents are for big brain smarty pants bois
jagged pier
True
brittle owl
smol brain poopy pants don't get em
sick sentinel
you know, i probably traded away a million BIS slot crap to random nobodies in keys
jagged pier
But doesnt stop then being arse to help
sick sentinel
there was some giga ring and skyhold malded when they learend i traded it to DH "he needs it for vendor spec"
lime urchin
And they are shiny!
brittle owl
bruh that's just light generated from the heat of ultra high testosterone production
lime urchin
bruh that's just light generated from the heat of ultra high testosterone produc...
Paladings have testosterone? ๐ฎ
brittle owl
prot paladins are nuclear reactors of testosterone
sick sentinel
i don't fully understand how banner works, all i know is it click a button and we get a giga buff
i thought we could plant it wherever, and there is some spell i have that i can just have the banner on my back, but it doesn't do nothin
lime urchin
Donโt play banner if you donโt have banner frens
sick sentinel
i'll make frens with an orc named bruce
and he can become bruce banner incredible hulk
lime urchin
Scary!
tropic gorge
Better than the prices on hyjal when I bought mine
I paid like 110k iirc
That was about a month ish ago
sick sentinel
i could get a belt for 50k to get the 262 glory today with token and either EM or the other CS effect leggo
sick sentinel
i have to go for remembrance day same time, but i'll watch that 9.2 video whenever i go home
sweet summit
letsego
tropic gorge
Booo no draconc defender/avenger. The MOG grind goes on
strong forum
the 2h axes?
the cool one is a rare drop from the big mobs
the boss drop one isnt rare
sick sentinel
belts down to 50k on AH but only got 20k raw gold ATM, might be able to get it
jagged pier
NANI?
modern brook
i remember i bought 262 legs for 300k
lmao playing the game really worth 300k to you thats nuts
modern brook
I know people want professions to matter again but this legendary system is stupid
I'll say it
blazing condor
naw i agree
only profession i care(d) about was archaeology that shit was kinda tight
but it was literally only cool for one expansion and that was cata
modern brook
Legion archaeology was dope
sick sentinel
dwarf racial makes it so much faster i'll never do it again
mighty valley
huh? deathwing was referenced constantly ever since warcraft 2
blazing condor
yeah deathwing has at least been very established
not to mention!
i loved how the image of deathwing was under cata
and like
that he'd actually fly around in the world and burn shit up
mighty valley
Deathwing was cool up until the final fight
chilly brook
Also I think a lot of the changes to the game from Wrath pushed people away
mighty valley
Running around stabbing his toes
chilly brook
Don't get rolled off!
mighty valley
God
Cool idea that made a miserable fight
Cata was really patchy, overall probably good that they revamped all of the weakest questing zones from vanilla but felt like they bit off more than they could chew
Plus coming off Wrath which was really cohesive into... underwater? the elements? indiana jones references in the desert? what is going on
chilly brook
I think that hits it on the head
Wrath was really cohesive
Cata was a little bit all over the place
chrome falcon
sylvanas easily the most disgusting mythic boss i've ever tanked
sick sentinel
would you craft glory with haste + versa or crit? considering to just make it with crit
chrome falcon
she veiled me 4 times in a fucking row
shut summit
lol
chrome falcon
including both times i had to go away for arrow
shut summit
not a fan of the fight either
chrome falcon
i literally only lived because when i was coming back from arrow
my ret paladin who had second arrow LoH'd me in mid air
and it's bugged and goes through the veil healing absorb
sick sentinel
haven't done any keys yet, only thing im afraid about is not having rank 6 and not having a dispel everything button
strong forum
235 is perfectly fine too
sick sentinel
would you suggest to scrap 235 h/v one and make h/c one 262? or just upgrade h/v one i have current
have to farm out some torgy, but super easy
strong forum
Scrapping is a waste of money
Literally useless thing they added now that cinders are farmable
Since you don't get anything back but the cinders/ash
Just upgrade whatever you have currently
The stats on it legit don't matter
sick sentinel
also 70 not 80 atm, but again, probably small barrier, easy farm
chrome falcon
does anyone know what would potentially cause sylvanas to cast wailing arrow on the inactive tank 10 seconds after a swap
happened to us twice tonight, and one time she cast it on a dps first, and we have no idea why
(in phase 3)
sick sentinel
any chance you logged the fight?
strong forum
Cuz you only take aggro at 110% threat
sick sentinel
if you logged it these guys can go in and see exactly what happened
strong forum
But the mechanic went off on the target that had the highest threat
chrome falcon
That's what I would assume Nomer but my co-tank is a Brm so i dunno how i would out-threat
Lemme see if I can find the pull
strong forum
Ah
sick sentinel
then i have to wear leather and use a staff and deal with stagger
chrome falcon
His blood link did like 400k more damage than mine on the kill
sick sentinel
not for me
strong forum
His blood link did like 400k more damage than mine on the kill
Cuz monks stack crit vers, so it scales alot more
strong forum
And it can prolly proc celestial somehow
jagged pier
happened to us twice tonight, and one time she cast it on a *dps* first, and we ...
depending on knives casts, if knives goes on main tank they cant get arrow
chrome falcon
THAT makes sense jake thank you
i genuinely don't think i'm ever going to de-tilt from that boss casting veil on tanks
jagged pier
โ๏ธ
strong forum
Shit loot
chrome falcon
preach it brother
strong forum
chrome falcon
just make banner+glory baseline and go next expansion ty blizz
strong forum
You mean spear
jagged pier
โ๏ธ
chrome falcon
nah man spear is cool but maintaining banner uptime is a fun minigame
strong forum
But spear actually fits
chrome falcon
the only thing that kept me sane through sylvanas prog was pushing for a 1:30 banner duration during lust
chrome falcon
it probably did
strong forum
I can't imagine pwar without spear
Easily the biggest loss once 10.0 rolls around
Besides the obv dumpster fire that we're gonna be after reprisal is gone
Nothing of value added
strong forum
They're gonna make it baseline but only affect avatar
And nerf avatar to 10% dmg buff
Just watch them
Fucking
Watch them
Or we get yet another rework
Cuz blizz has no fucking idea what to do with pwar cuz nobody besides Ceo of Blizzard sense plays it
chrome falcon
yeah it's really funny that even when we're in a good place they just keep firing off reworks
gotta totally change revenge's place in the rotation again pretty soon
blazing condor
borrowed power
blizzard should just pull the plug on the game and say "it aint getting better than this"
tropic gorge
can any macro kings tell me why this isnt working for me
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
strong forum
Cuz you wrote it wrong
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead] Intervene;Intervene
/cast[target=target,harm,exists,nodead] Charge;Charge
Don't do spaces before "/cast"
And do a space after"]"
That should do the trick
tropic gorge
ty
tropic gorge
no i copied that from icyveins
strong forum
Immortalis Vandal
chilly brook
Cuz blizz has no fucking idea what to do with pwar cuz nobody besides Ceo of Bli...
Sad thing is they could have just left the BFA design intact and just tune some numbers and buff dead talents and no one would be mad
I suppose getting reworked every expansion is better than never being touched for 4 xpacs and being severely tuning dependent as a result