its a delicate balance of positioning damage and how fast you can transition between fighting, not fighting and fighting again minimizing out of combat downtime
#protection
sick sentinel
if you place and pull the enemies right, you enable group to do more dps, which can make your key/raid easier
elfin pebble
If the boss is dead he cant hurt me anymore. Death is the best form of CC and mitigation all into one.
ionic fern
strong forum
That ain't brave
sick sentinel
ionic fern
That ain't brave
It is - saying that in a tank discord.
sullen valve
Can I link images in here?
sick sentinel
somebody learn this dude plz
sullen valve
What is there to learn? Tank is for tank
sick sentinel
put it in terms he can understand
sullen valve
I don't play a tank to outheal a resto shaman
sick sentinel
he don't get it, tank is hybrid kinda, i have shit dps too like 4k ish
on average key
sullen valve
@ionic fern what is the best stat to mit damage?
ocean yoke
haste
sullen valve
weird way to spell mwahi
ocean yoke
oh excuse me ill shut up forever
sullen valve
I'm kidding buddy
I'm just here shit posting hahaha
Mwahi is too much of softy to stop me
ocean yoke
what no one would dare shitpost in this proud warrior discord
sullen valve
warriors are dumb
ocean yoke
true tbh
sullen valve
Me swing sword
me hold shield
me get hit in face
ocean yoke
what are they gonna do cast a lightning bolt
strong forum
Banned
runic sparrow
lmao good one, we all know our only job is to press execute.
strong forum
uncut junco
Anyone know off hand the weak aura that says “don’t interrupt you have spell reflect”
Or something similar. I saw it in a YouTube video lol
ionic fern
/cast Spell Reflect
/Say Don't interrupt, i got Spell Reflect
uncut junco
Welp, I feel dumb. Thank you lol
ionic fern
sick sentinel
they nerfed coffin boy in KR
strong forum
Finally
sick sentinel
oh, its a solo mount farm thing
something in spires can be enraged dispelled? can't think of enragers off top of head
sweet summit
other than the affix, no
fervent smelt
so quick question, ignore pain in 19-20's should be approximately how much of my healing done, or how much total healing on average does it do for you?
dusky canopy
Mines usually
Leech
Indomitable
Ignore pain
In that order top down
fervent smelt
indom/blood barrier/accretion(rank 5), ignore pain. 714k at 11.6% healing done
I havent had great luck with leech gear
dusky canopy
Yeah tbf my leech is absurd
fervent smelt
sounds like it
dusky canopy
I wouldn’t worry to much about ips healing %, at least for me I pretty much only ip to not rage cap or if I played poorly and I’m without any other mitigations for a few seconds
Yeah if I run the blood shard and pick the leech power I’m at 19% leech lmao
fervent smelt
thats what I thought too, but I have a healer who runs 20s telling me to ignore pain more, but I dont think they understand prot war well
dusky canopy
I mean some of the brains here might have better incite but in my experience it’s usually a waste of rage to use ip you want to as little as possible
fervent smelt
raging is whats kicking my ass more than me not using IP
dusky canopy
I’m also doing 20s
Oh well dude easy fix don’t get autoed by enrage
Especially
If you don’t have block up
fervent smelt
block is up 100% or im gone
dusky canopy
Ok do you know more of what kind of enraged damage is killing you? Like if it’s casts going off then you need group assistance with that
Do you have a aegis?
fervent smelt
I do yes, run aegis and blood scale
I think our comp was like really good at even aoe and too many things were getting enraged at once, this was in sanguine, I ran a 19 spires earlier with a different comp and it felt much better
dusky canopy
Maybe just try staying out of auto range once mobs are enraged
fervent smelt
was couple bonehead moves by me not kiting or what not, but i didnt think i played it terribly, not by best run for sure.. I see where I went wrong and can improve, but pretty sure it wasnt the IP department
dusky canopy
Also if you’re not already, be sure to space out your mitigation
Yeah it’s not ip for sure
dusky canopy
Like you want as much mitigation as possible obviously just not all at once because then you’ll be a noodle for like 10 seconds
iron forum
so quick question, ignore pain in 19-20's should be approximately how much of my...
about 30-40% is pretty normal, not using IP probably isnt why most people are dying though. IP is the glue that holds your survival together, but how you use CD's, making sure youre stopping certain abilities and when you kite is much more important
lime urchin
Not this IP jibber jabber again eh?
mossy peak
ignore ignore pain
ocean yoke
would you rather ignore damage or do damage, easy do damage
mossy peak
killing the enemies faster means you take less damage.
sterile lava
Pretty new to tanking, how do prot warrior hold aggro for a grp of mob? Focus on one mob, thunderclap & revenge or do i alt tab to taunt some? I use challenging shout when shit hits the fan ofc
rose wedge
Im kyrian arms main, and have the 262 Spear boots. When tanking, is dragon roar going to be ok in keys?
I dont have the prot orange yet.
or is booming voice going to be better for charge into demo shout just better than a few dragon crits inside spear.
strong forum
dragon roar is to be avoided
it loses alot of value as soon as there is more than 1 target being hit
it wont stop you from doing keys, but its a severe dmg loss to play dragon roar
rose wedge
thx. Ill work on getting the reprisal one.
viscid prairie
when you pull stuff through the walls in the maze in mists, are you pulling extra stuff, or just stuff in advance you would have ran in to anyways?
elfin pebble
that depends on the situation but typically its to get extra% early so you dont need it after Tredova
viscid prairie
ok thats what i was needing to know
cuz its hard to plan that u kinda just take what u get right
and make it up on the back end if you dont get enough %
elfin pebble
yeah
Ive needed as high as 15% when getting to Tredova
the maze path really determines what you get in there
clear pawn
viscid prairie
do y'all go left on mikanikos for the 35% potion auto proc?
or is it better to keep control of it?
urban portal
does wasted ignore pain go into overheal on logs?
ocean reef
does wasted ignore pain go into overheal on logs?
Looking through a few Arms logs with Ignore Pain (assuming it works the same as prots), I had 32k overheal from a total of 93k absorb. I'd assume the overheal was unspent absorb
urban portal
it makes sense
ocean reef
Only reason I'd believe it's unspent absorb is because I had used Ignore Pain at moments to not overcap on rage
And not really at moments I'd need the absorb
pallid musk
I wonder how often protection warrior use ignore pain?
pallid musk
The biggest mistakes i made in S1 that i didnt use ignore pain and today i did a few Upper reaches 9 with more ignore pain in one of my main rotation and i noted i taking much less damage
jovial mesa
I wonder how often protection warrior use ignore pain?
That depends on the content you do, for high m+ keys you will use IP on average 5/6 Times per Minute
Uptime should be around 35-40 %
pallid musk
So when ignore pain not up i should go demo roar / shield block?
jovial mesa
Depends on the Talents you use
Most Warriors in High Keys run that talent setup
For Melee Heavy Comps
Best Served Cold can be replaced with Booming Voice
Into the Fray with Ravager
jovial mesa
So when ignore pain not up i should go demo roar / shield block?
And to Answer your Question Shield Block should always be up, thats why you go for Heavy Repercussions
IP is for Magic DMG and Other Sources not mitigatable by SB
lime urchin
Oh boy
lime urchin
I was thinking the same about you
jagged pier
true, i could, but its always nice to see other ppl say stuff actually see if the things me Nome erga and mwahi say rub off on ppl
brittle owl
i like strict answers to variable questions
brittle owl
true, i could, but its always nice to see other ppl say stuff actually see if th...
i'll rub you off
teal swift
true, i could, but its always nice to see other ppl say stuff actually see if th...
And did it?
jagged pier
😳
brittle owl
jagged pier
And did it?
i dunno that why i was watching roirin type
teal swift
lime urchin
i just press buttons
😍
jagged pier
ive done nearly 9k with rep
opaque hazel
i just press buttons
Funny what i say to but non in guild believe me think i stack some dps items......
obsidian sand
Hello, I want to lvl my warrior as a tank, is it good like prot pally? Cus I tested prot pala, I can solo any add or gather adds around me and self healing, especially in solo content like maw, korthia and what about dung for keys 15 or 16 max
lime urchin
All tonks are great to play!
mellow gorge
Well define good as prot pally
Prot warr is great against phys dmg, but has no self heal, its viable all around for korthia and maw, and is playable in 15s perfectly fine
lime urchin
And we clap thunder!
dusky canopy
If I’m not mistaken stats show every spec doing +25ish keys right??
strong forum
yes
dusky canopy
What a time to be alive
obsidian sand
Prot warr is great against phys dmg, but has no self heal, its viable all around...
Do you feel no self healing is weak point for warrior? As sometimes healing make mistakes and u can yourself or layon hand as for pally?
mellow gorge
Do you feel no self healing is weak point for warrior? As sometimes healing make...
It's not per say weak, but you just don't have a backup if you or the healer did something wrong, so you just have to be more careful since yeah can't just lay on hands for example
sick sentinel
sucks that IV just isn't viable cuz i like the ability personally, feels really nice hit a button and have a whole bunch of HP back, don't have to kill something to get it to reset, so literally never can cast non talented on bosses except like 1 time or add bosses that the group lets you have finishing ability
ionic fern
sucks that IV just isn't viable cuz i like the ability personally, feels really ...
Well, it's better than before. 🙂
sick sentinel
i'm playing IV in spires 0 rn for trinket farm
blazing condor
mellow gorge
the hell is IV
blazing condor
impending victory
plush tendon
Impending Victory: makes Victory Rush a CD that heals for a good chunk
mellow gorge
a shame it's on the same row as indom
tbf if i had to choose between that and speed boost after leap
it'd be a tough choice
plush tendon
yea, really cant choose anything over indom
mellow gorge
o yee
plush tendon
which was 
plush tendon
If it was, wouldnt need reprisal
plush tendon
Siesmic prob
or they would have to design new legos with the idea that warriors have 100% block uptime
could make a lego that increases blocks affect or something
maybe a % of the damage negated by block becomes a shield 😄
blazing condor
every crit block results bounces the amount blocked back to the attacker
mastery stacking new meta
sweet summit
maybe a % of the damage negated by block becomes a shield 😄
don't steal my ideas 
plush tendon
don't steal my ideas <:medge:869468644743200829>
plush tendon
I always thought that a talent row that has to do with Prot War armor would be cool
mellow gorge
i mean we somewhat have it w necro
plush tendon
Like could choose between damage on hit armor, magic damage reduction armor, or maybe a speed/something else armor
mellow gorge
serrated pauldrons
plush tendon
serrated pauldrons
yea, thats a soulbind conduit
plush tendon
depends on vers
mellow gorge
is 16% good enough
plush tendon
IDK, but that soulbind scales with AP and Vers
mellow gorge
ye 16% should be fine
plush tendon
I just dont know what it should be; I think on my DK it was like 4-5%?
warrior a little lower
mellow gorge
since i want to run nero
necro
and try it out
but on the other hand
i don't wanna hit like a bear
a wet noodle
plush tendon
its not a huge loss in personal DPS
Necro 100% viable
and worth trying with the 9.1.5 changes
mellow gorge
hm m m
but the issue is that i won't be running reprisal
since i'll probably take banner
plush tendon
your SB uptime will be garbo
No reprisal, No bolster
Obviously depending on key level you might not need it
mellow gorge
who needs SB when you have SW 🙂
6 seconds uptime on SB? pft just take SW with 8 seconds
plush tendon
SB super important in higher keys where you really need something up or else you shouldnt be tanking; otherwise, you can get away with no bolster or SB if the key you are doing is 'trivial' to you
I cant make that call, gotta try it out yourself 🙂
mellow gorge
nah i will just try necro in low keys
can't do high keys without rep
- i don't want to do torghast atm so i'll just try necro as is
stuck scaffold
If only avatar was a remotely defensive cooldown
sick sentinel
in warcraft 3 it was this
so, now its only the damage part pretty much lol
in BFA, you had some azerite thing that whenver you hit avatar, you'd instantly cast IP, and get a buff BOM bastion of might i think?
so, it was also a defensive ability as well as offensive, it was better in bfa
modern brook
If only avatar was a remotely defensive cooldown
I find myself wishing shield wall was an offensive cd
Imagine what we could do with a 4 minute dps coolsown
stuck scaffold
I am remembering it from BFA yes where it turned you into a literal wall from physical damage with the mastery
sick sentinel
i'll never forget using TDev to pull mobs in TD early from cages
cuz it would just clip right in and start aggro
deleted the only time you ever need a rogue ever
sick sentinel
protip: outlaw rouge has ALWAYS been busted
because, it attacks a million times a second with normal ass weapons 2 button specs
asssassa is mut mut envenom, and combat is SS SS SS pistol disp
mighty valley
outlaw has like... a lot of buttons
sick sentinel
killing spree is the only one you need
slice and dice helps too, not too complicated tho
rogue suprisngly good against caster mobs that get in melee range
mighty valley
DH is the true no-button spec
urban portal
Imagine what we could do with a 4 minute dps coolsown
jokes on you it'll become meta
not vdh meta
havoc meta
sick sentinel
do you guys always do stealth potion or belt for keys? (belt has like 10-20% fail chance iirc + 3s less duration)
sick sentinel
might be salvagable if i put together a weakaura that types a message in chat when my belt fucks up then
you turn literal bright gold, pic related
first try
mellow bridge
Let's not pretend like anyone in here actually dps pots in keys
Just use invis pots kekw
urban portal
I agree
sick sentinel
im gunna have to put together some kind of WA that makes it borderline impossible that i use stealth potion when i have debuff up or whatever
mighty valley
best solution: pocket rogue
dusky canopy
You don’t use dps pots in keys?
sick sentinel
Health potion maybe
Trying to keep flasks and consumables in banks don't use so many (jeeves)
ocean yoke
screwing around with the nf legendary and man it feels weird not using reprisal after so long
hollow bolt
Same im trying 2 use the glory legendary, debaiting using bolster untill i get used 2 it
ocean yoke
i love the pump though for the fae one
cinder nova
why is there a blademasters trinket buff ♿
mighty valley
Why the wheelchair emoji
blazing condor
lime urchin
Oh boy
limber temple
screwing around with the nf legendary and man it feels weird not using reprisal ...
I will miss Reprisal in the next expansion.... I think it's a great gameplay style. I wish it was baked into our toolkit. 😦
autumn pendant
I will miss Reprisal in the next expansion.... I think it's a great gameplay sty...
It might end up like that
Might not also but who knows
sweet summit
Razonko the Prophet knows
sweet summit
okay don't say that
limber temple
Want!
mellow gorge
You see
If its baselined
We won't have to talent into it
Easy
Tbf i won't see it as a bad change if they made it that you get a 2s shieldblock when you intervene/charge and get 30 rage total if baselined
Solely as a prot
sick sentinel
Bladekit bis?
mellow gorge
Or yknow what, 3 seconds is better since you have a delay before you reach your target
sick sentinel
That's my new excuse
mellow gorge
Tbf
Bladekit wouldn't be so bad
If you can apply the buff
And then remove it lmao
sick sentinel
I m gunna lose my mind if only play warrior
mellow gorge
Do it
sick sentinel
Purchased lots of the boa 59 upgrades
teal swift
Guess the class by the secondaries@mellow gorge
sick sentinel
I equipped bladekit cuz it reminds me of days using mithril shield spike on a vanilla paladin
sick sentinel
Back when nobody knew nothing about the game
sick sentinel
I'm joking, no I just got the stupid kit and it's been rotting in inventory till now
teal swift
xD
sick sentinel
This is true story at actual wow vanilla launch I was playing much wc3 at the time and favorite units was undead lich frost basted deals shit load of damage
That was my first char undead mage got to lvl 10 had to go in u density, barely made it out, had to go back in few more times around lvl 8-12, and something got really lost in uc and said fuck this shit
So, next on list was paladin and make him dwarf cuz of whenever mom would read hobbit with me try to get me to read more
Wasn't any good at the game then, still not, what can i say lol
strong forum
Guess the class by the secondaries<@!331516563943587842>
Paladin
teal swift
Bdk!
strong forum
sick sentinel
Arm/fury?
Oh..class.... could be druid
I dunno maybe he's got secret sauce way of playing versmastery pwar
brittle owl
<:weird:718676218500874320>
actually not a bad stat distribution if you wanna turtle as a bdk
strong forum
Part of what they healed through deathstrike they get as an physical absorb ontop
Smth like that
sick sentinel
Hot take I think there are way too many absorbs in wow as a whole enemy and player pvp and pve
I feel like you do damage and only very rarely should they have an absorb bubble on em
stuck scaffold
That is a hot take
strong forum
It's a take I didn't know existed
I only hate when bosses have immune phases
Other than that, don't rly care
ocean reef
I love immune bosses, I also love standing still in boss fights, I also love not pressing my buttons in a fight
sweet summit
autumn pendant
🔫
sick sentinel
47 seconds of forced RP scenes that you have to cross an arbitrary invisible line for it to even begin to trigger
and then once you pull the boss, the bridge falls out and the door locks, healer is locked out you wipe and when you release you get sent to the start of dungeon
blazing condor
ionic plank
blazing condor
At lot of dand-esque emotes
blazing condor
steel mist
I switched to kyrian now and I was wondering which legendary would be good as DPS for raids
I'm on farm now
jagged pier
reprisal
steel mist
Even on farm ?
jagged pier
yes
steel mist
Like is the kyrian legendary dogshit ?
jagged pier
yes
steel mist
Well that answers my questions thank you
mellow gorge
Guess the class by the secondaries<@!331516563943587842>
a boomer
lime urchin
Like is the kyrian legendary dogshit ?
Unless you like to slap stuff with a 2-hander
jagged pier
well if u have like 40% crit its alright but in general its not good
gloomy orchid
This was probably our best pull last night on mythic Sylv, but I could use an extra set of eyes to see if anyone sees any glaring issues.
it's worth mentioning that I am not the warrior, just the RL
jagged pier
why is he playing HR?
u 1 only play HR with repisal
which he isnt
and 2
u dont run HR on slyvannas at all
as AM is far better
because its 70% magic damage
plucky ember
I've seen some Necro with Glory use HR on M Sylv to smooth out sections where Reprisal would have covered you normally.
gloomy orchid
^^^ Tank from linked log
sick sentinel
which slot for glory
jagged pier
HR only works to fill out the gap in repsial
if u want more block and u are not using rep
sick sentinel
and stats, assuming i actually want to do that RN
jagged pier
u use bolster
jagged pier
^^
plucky ember
Fair enough
strong forum
HR itself doesn't grant enough SB uptime, you need the syngery from reprisal for HR to work
Otherwise you're wasting alot of HRs potential
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
Hence why bolster is better in the scenario of not playing reprisal
jagged pier
also in last phase like 90% of the damage is the dot
would u rather have like 4 walls casts or 1 in phase 3
cause that pretty much the choice between HR and AM
strong forum
And sylv is 100% an AM fight, even for parsing
Sure HR works, but AM is just better
jagged pier
u also dont see any externals being used on his defesnive buffs?
why u not giving pain sup and stuff to him
is the other tank using them?
like u have a pain sup sac and bark so use
plucky ember
The healers wanted us to call when we needed externals there and it's partly on me, not being fully certain where I'm good and not even with 10+ stacks.
I've taken the pathofserenity cheat sheet and tried to crib it into something for a prot war/vdh.
So the goal tomorrow will be to have pain sup or sac on me for the final bit of platform 2.
jagged pier
externals our tank cds
u are supposed to plan them in
i use PS sac etc at the same time
every pull
sick sentinel
asmongold after doing heroic sylv "omg, is it possible to have negative fun?"
gloomy orchid
normally we don't have a druid
jagged pier
and you warrior uses aegis once in final phase
gloomy orchid
2 resto shaman/1 disc priest/1 hpal
strong forum
I've seen a log where aegis does over 800k on sylv
jagged pier
^^
jagged pier
mine did 690k
strong forum
It's insane on sylv
jagged pier
for instance
sick sentinel
just have to collect SS and NF leggo essence and i got em all for warrior now
jagged pier
your guys did 209k
strong forum
Aoe dmg?
No
Just alot of dmg instances
Aka, dots
And sylv is only tiny hits
58047494 times
So aegis is the best trinket by miles
Even sylvs tank buster is 3 hits, not 1
mellow gorge
looks like i'll need to do raiding at some point then
jagged pier
in a 15 min fight
strong forum
mellow gorge
how is the tank even doing that mythic
jagged pier
does this guy just not like to stop damage
mellow gorge
actual pug tank
jagged pier
cast SR 4 times
strong forum
how is the tank even doing that mythic
Just because someone is raiding mythic, doesn't mean they're a good player.
jagged pier
when theres just constant magic damage in p3
mellow gorge
Just because someone is raiding mythic, doesn't mean they're a good player.
tank can't afford to be bad, a dps or two fine,
jagged pier
2 casts of SW
strong forum
tank can't afford to be bad, a dps or two fine,
No, especially tanks get a free pass often in raiding
mellow gorge
???
mellow gorge
mf i'm gonna sign up to mythics then fuck this shit
strong forum
Tanks are more often than not slacking alot in raiding
plucky ember
I usually use LS on pull, on 2nd Right platform in P2, and then am planning it for Platform 2 in P3 when I'm at 6+ stacks.
jagged pier
no use it on p1 in phase 3 so u get a second use
strong forum
You can stoneform the p3 dot
ionic plank
???
especially at this point in the tier where tanks have so much gear and can face tank a lot
jagged pier
as u will have them back for when they are needed in p3
ionic plank
you can practically do nothing defensively on some bosses
jagged pier
most
mellow gorge
you can practically do nothing defensively on some bosses
dude if i let one heroic boss slap me i chunk if i don't have defensives
what is this bs
which patch are you guys playing
jagged pier
but slyv isnt 1 of them
mellow gorge
let me in on this
strong forum
mf i'm gonna sign up to mythics then fuck this shit
It's very common for raid tanks to not properly play their class. An insane amount of mistakes can be covered by healers or external CDs
ionic plank
nah I've heard that sylv slaps
plucky ember
Platform 1, my plan was Demoralizing while grabbing Bane Arrows, then Aegis for HS before the Fury.
Platform 2 to use DS at 7 stacks, Last Stand at 10 stacks before Fury because I get very low there.
Then near the end of platform 2, Shield Wall at 7 stacks, Aegis at 10, and get Pain Sup after that until Mass Dispel on Raze.
plucky ember
Swap back to AM, abuse Aegis more (I've been sitting on it too much and holding it for specific Heartseeker sections), utilize SW more since it'll be up more with AM, fit in a LS around minute 3-5 so it's up for Platform 1 around the 8:30 mark, SR more for Bane? I normally use it on Heartseekers and get 6 casts by 10:30. Fully plan externals.
strong forum
Ohno
IV works, but it feels terrible to play when you don't have the CD ready
Especially in low content
sturdy sable
I still think IV should just be baked in for prot
strong forum
That's a whole nother box of pandora
Loads of stuff we have in the talents could /should very well be baked in
That's an endless discussion for alot of classes
Especially vdh, that class doesn't even function without fracture
sturdy sable
Aight guess ill just avoid class discussion in a class disc
strong forum
That's not what I'm saying
Victory rush and last stand are the 2 buttons that don't make sense in modern day wow
tropic gorge
I've been hesitant to post this, but fuck it. If anyone watches it, feedback is appreciated :
https://youtu.be/noESRS94uqU
sick sentinel
what spec would do the best if they could have all of their talents activated?
tropic gorge
I can also post the log from that run, if anyone is interested.
I have a question about logs for m+
If I get a purple rating in the mid to high 80s, is that Comparing me to other prot warriors on that key level?
sick sentinel
im just sort of curious to see what the effects would be if something like that happened and you were just totally over hpowered
ionic plank
because if it's for score, it's solely comparing the level of the the run and the time, to all other prot warriors
ionic plank
it doesn't take into account your damage or healing or whatever else
strong forum
M+ parses are a meme
mellow bridge
watching just the first 2 pulls already, stop clicking your stuff and bind it yuck
strong forum
Oh another clicker
mellow bridge
you dont need to open the first pull with demo and SW, that is just overkill
then you did not utilize SR on the 2nd pull at all
you can stun the two melee guys and reflect both soulsplitters at once
strong forum
If you pull that pack with heroic leap by jumping between those 2
They should line up naturally
Without the need for shockwave
But ye, lining it up with shockwave is easier
sick sentinel
@tropic gorgehttps://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/marking-bar-lives
this will save your life
mellow bridge
then there's some other small stuff I can see
sick sentinel
1 click markers and 2 click raid raid markers
mellow bridge
like you press SW and immediately shockwave all mobs
sick sentinel
BONKERS utlity addon
mellow bridge
so you are just wasting your SW duration for no reason
mellow bridge
on second pull you die because you waste all of your defensives early on
and then just die to raging because again you dont use SR properly
you NEED to reflect soul splitters
you cant reflect every single one, but you always need to either reflect them or have a big defensive up
they rage, you do neither and just flop
and for w/e reason you havent used TC in like 30s
the entire varruth fight you used TC once
that's such a huge waste of rage and damage
and please dont pick the stamina shroom 
ohh wait youre playing punish
what are your talents?
@tropic gorge
sick sentinel
he also took the stam shroom too i saw
cuz way i remember it is green is go/good/similiar, so i only ever pick green one
mellow bridge
I dont really feel like watching further but from what I can see
youre wasting a lot of globals because of your clicking
especially intervene every time
youre heavily underusing tc
youre playing wrong talents
jagged pier
please avatar before spearing
mellow bridge
it feels like you are randomly pressing your defensives; you arent really using them for specific enemy abilities
oh and as a last thing
you pick a magic dmg reduction power from soggodon in a dungeon that has almost no tank magic damage after the first 2 pulls
just pointless to take that
tropic gorge
watching just the first 2 pulls already, stop clicking your stuff and bind it yu...
I have most stuff bound, except what I click on
sick sentinel
vast majority of damage you take is basic attacks from some dude with a mace
mellow bridge
it feels like youre clicking basically anything that isnt devastate/ss/block/tc/charge
jagged pier
u really need to bind it, trust me i know its hard but wasting time moving your mouse to click rav then place it and again with intervene
is really really not worth it
sick sentinel
theres a few casters in the maze portion my plater profile colors them as interupt targets
jagged pier
u should also be ravagering before u charge to packs
sick sentinel
they do a heal and something else
tropic gorge
Rav is bound to alt + mouse wheel click. Those movements are me hitting the keys then finding the mouse on screen
mellow bridge
theres a few casters in the maze portion my plater profile colors them as interu...
those casters do not do any magic damage
sick sentinel
its just a heal spell and some buff spell right?
mellow bridge
its just a heal spell and some buff spell right?
yeah one is a very strong hot
and the other one is a small shield on one of them, if you break the shield with damage your entire party gets rooted and takes magic damage
both are must kicks/purges
but there are so little kicks in the entire maze, that nothing should ever get through to be honest
jagged pier
like in the first pull u literally intervene thrugh the mobs so u present your back to all of them
why?
like the hunters stood next to u the whole time
sick sentinel
i mean, theres 1000 things you could memorize about each dungeon
chilly brook
I have most stuff bound, except what I click on
You really need to bind everything that you use on a regular basis
Like I understand if you're a hunter and dont have a bind for every pet summon
tropic gorge
I think I'm gonna need an mmo mouse for that. My damn fps mouse is out of buttons
jagged pier
I think I'm gonna need an mmo mouse for that. My damn fps mouse is out of button...
i have 4 buttons on my mouse
and i have everything bound
chilly brook
Cheap and very good
jagged pier
and thats 4 including the main 2
mellow bridge
i have the same jakey
tropic gorge
The avatar before spear feedback is something I've been working on
I have no fucking clue why I do it ass backwards
chilly brook
You don't need one but it is helpful
chilly brook
And it's like $40
robust rover
I've been hesitant to post this, but fuck it. If anyone watches it, feedback is ...
Thanks for sharing. I'm in a similar key environment and this makes me want to record my own runs to better understand what I can improve as Logs can't show as easily my playstyle.
tropic gorge
Thanks, I've been working hard at improving block uptime
sick sentinel
logitech mice are perfect if you are in the camp of "use it for 2 years and throw it away get a new one" as well as cheap
chilly brook
So not a huge buy in for just raw benefits
tropic gorge
Useful block uptime I mean
jagged pier
your shield bloc kuptime seems fine btw mimic
it does cause in literally the second pull the dungeon its hardly up
chilly brook
logitech mice are perfect if you are in the camp of "use it for 2 years and thro...
All of my logitech mice have lasted at least 3x that length
mellow bridge
I tried an mmo mouse once when my brother got a new one, could not get used to it at all
jagged pier
and hes had intervene on cd for like the whole pull
mellow bridge
and went back to all keyboard stuff
chilly brook
I'm on my second g600 and the first one lasted about 5 years of hard daily use through college
tropic gorge
Using intervene to get block is kinda new to me. I'm working on using it more
chilly brook
My g pro wireless is on year 3
tropic gorge
You can tell when my brain clicks and I use it over and over lol
mellow bridge
it does cause in literally the second pull the dungeon its hardly up
true actually
sick sentinel
those really really old year 2000 microsoft white beige seethrough laser mice, now that was a fantastic mous
jagged pier
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mellow bridge
tropic gorge
Lmao I'm surprised it took yall this long to realize I use devistate lmao
mellow bridge
ohh wait youre playing punish
tropic gorge
Sorry. My name is antinus on hyjal. Using my phone atm hars to get links quickly
jagged pier
mimic why dopp u go through the entire second pull and not cast intervene?
also why are u spamming 4 buttons at once
tropic gorge
I don't think I'm hitting 4 at once. I dunno lol
mellow bridge
are those your talents?
lime urchin
Punish
jagged pier
I don't think I'm hitting 4 at once. I dunno lol
u literally are spamming 1 2 3 4 like all the time
tropic gorge
Ya those are my dungeons talebts
jagged pier
@strong forum u got the gif
strong forum
I had the gif
lime urchin
PUNISH
strong forum
Lemme look
jagged pier
cause he doing the gif
tropic gorge
Lmao
lime urchin
PUNISHHHHHH
chilly brook
Ya those are my dungeons talebts
Devastator, BSC non negotiable
jagged pier
like 1:08-1:20 u spamming like 4 buttons at once and never hit SS so its on cd that entire time
strong forum
tropic gorge
I ran BSc last weekend. Wanted to try booming for this previous weekend as an attempt to up my dps some
chilly brook
Devastate is a huge rage loss
strong forum
Found it
jagged pier
@tropic gorge u do this
chilly brook
I ran BSc last weekend. Wanted to try booming for this previous weekend as an at...
That's the opposite of what you would want to do to get more damage
BSC is the damage option
tropic gorge
In my mind the increase dmg taken from voice seemed a good idea with spear and ravager
jagged pier
no
strong forum
Not good enough
tropic gorge
I noticed that too in my logs
chilly brook
Ye so buff your top damage
sick sentinel
i had a thunk, if i spam hell out of IP no matter where i put it on bar why not take NS and use the conduit
tropic gorge
I was gonna swap it back this afternoon
lime urchin
How to tilt the Skyhold
strong forum
Bv*
jagged pier
this isnt a discussion about damage guys hes asking for feedback about his run we are going off topic
i aint even 2 mins in yet
tropic gorge
Gotta be honest I like devistate
I find it handy for lots of situations
chilly brook
It's not
tropic gorge
Ay I'll take all the feedback
chilly brook
Its legitimately worse damage and worse rage overall
tropic gorge
This week I've popped a ton of bombs with it
chilly brook
Just melee
jagged pier
literally when your pressing it there are other things u can do
chilly brook
They die in one hit
tropic gorge
Da
chilly brook
Or tell your healer to deal with it or a lock
tropic gorge
Not having devistate fucked my button spamming up
I've yet to try to run without it
*posts gif
chilly brook
Lock on explosive=big shard income
chilly brook
Not having devistate fucked my button spamming up
I've yet to try to run without...
Well if you're spamming any keys
It needs to be shield slam
Not devastate
jagged pier
literally this is how i fixed it myself
i put SS on my devastate key
felt the same
i had 2 bindings for SS for a while
sick sentinel
i tried binding charge to wheel up and intervene to wheel down for a while then i tried putting SS and exe on it for meme
jagged pier
okay so pull 3 and 2 are u trying to SR stack ?
sick sentinel
sort of works with execute
tropic gorge
I do try to time my Sr. I miss it quite a bit, or pug stuff where it'll get kicked and my Sr goes to waste
jagged pier
right okay so take pull 3 for instance
the soulcleavers u can SR there thingy on them
but u pop SR then stun them
so u stop yourself being able to SR it in the first place
if u group them then, shockwave, its usually syncs their casts
so u can SR both
also works with etherdrivers in SoA
tropic gorge
*makes a other note.
I'd thought I'd noticed stunning them lined up the future casts. But I wasn't sure
I did know about the ether birds being reflectable
jagged pier
also in pull 2 and 3 u dont cast intervene once
mellow bridge
I did know about the ether birds being reflectable
look at the sr sheet in pins
jagged pier
hes using SR on the correct mobs
sick sentinel
i could show you a more triggering +15 run if you guys wanted to see
jagged pier
i should probs start recording my runs again, but i fucking cba KEKW
tropic gorge
Thanks for the feedback guys. A take away I have is "keep practicing"
Also. Tech nerd note. That video is 4k 60.took 3 days for yt to upload and process
jagged pier
OMG PLEASE BIND AVATAR AND ZERKER RAGE AT LEAST
and just use the charge/intervene macro
so u can just mouse over ppl
tropic gorge
And yes I'll bind avatar this afternoon when I get home
jagged pier
instead of target them
youll probably use intervene more then
cause u hardly use it atm
sick sentinel
part of reason i'm not sharing the video i have is cuz it has clown horns when i don't do SB when shits in range and i got rage to do it.
cuz, that was a huge issue i had
jagged pier
but u dont alwasy want to do that yogi u need to get rid of that
sick sentinel
i could set it up if they werent casting shit in range and targeting me.
tropic gorge
I don't have an intervene macro atm because I mostly pug. In that video, the priest is the only person there that I run with often
jagged pier
i basically pug
and all the macro does is cast it if your mouse is over a friendly
its the same bind as charge
tropic gorge
I ran spires last night, had a dk in the group and clicked inteve, then hit them in the group list. Worked good for me
jagged pier
so u just hover over a frame a press it
tropic gorge
I'll give that a shot. I've haven't used a mouse over macro in probably a decade now
sick sentinel
if i post my video jakey is going to go mad
tropic gorge
Lots of updates for me to make today
jagged pier
if i post my video jakey is going to go mad
i watched the last one, but it was days after u posted it wasnt worth to give the feedback
jagged pier
Lots of updates for me to make today
why one the first boss do u use aegis when 1 your are full hp 2 niother boss is hitting u bot are casting u are legit taking no damage at that point
your also using revenge over execute
sick sentinel
its just as bad as the other guys video for different reasons
jagged pier
they are only 2 targets
press execute
both your videos, are that bad, but they arent that good ither, i have seen worse so dont worry it just proves you have a lot of stuff to work one. like im pretty sure ppl would see when i upload a videos, just hopewfully u have less to work on.
and im just putting down what im seeing when it comes up
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL1EyOMi-zs
Conditions for clown horn noise: in combat range with a target, don't have SB up already and have over 40 rage
ionic fern
It's fine Yogi.
They are ripping on me for sucking at Fury also.
tropic gorge
Feedback is feedback and I welcome all of it. That's why I posted it
ionic fern
sick sentinel
its bad is what i'll say
jagged pier
It's fine Yogi.
They are ripping on me for sucking at Fury also.
and u rip into me whenever i tank
tropic gorge
I knew I'd get ripped apart, and all my mistakes brought up.
jagged pier
tropic gorge
That's why I posted it lol
jagged pier
they are big mistakes just small ones but a lot of them
tropic gorge
Can't get better and improve while being in a bubble. Gotta get feedback from people thst see what I miss
ionic fern
Are you typing on your phone Jakey?
jagged pier
like at this point u havent casted intervene like more than twice
ionic fern
"both your videos, are that bad, but they arent that good ither, "
"hey are big mistakes just small ones but a lot of them"
ionic fern
😂
tropic gorge
Lol
sick sentinel
Are you typing on your phone Jakey?
if it auto punctuates and capitalises words like America Boston then hes on phone lol
ionic fern
We all are Jakey, we all are.
mellow bridge
spoken like a true warrior jakey
tropic gorge
Reprisal is new to me as of last Tuesday. Using intervene for buffs is new. I'm getting better about it. From when I took that video (Friday night), to Sunday night I was using intervene a lot more
jagged pier
We all are Jakey, we all are.
tropic gorge
So I've been making good improvements on that front
"I've been standing here a moment. Cna I use charge or intervene for more bkock?" started occurring to me more
I fucking love reprisal tho
urban portal
Is it worth wasting a renenge proc to get more blocks
Like intervene to a far guy and charge back
Instead of just intervening to someone close
ionic fern
That seems like a cut and dry answer.
Defensively-Yes
Offensively-No.
tropic gorge
I noticed also I was spamming revenge as I charged. Learned real quick that's stupid and am trying to stop being such a spammy button hitter
That's a hell of a habit for me to break. Cause as you guys know, the faster and harder you hit buttons, the better you perform!
:)
plush tendon
I've never died in a video game
yea, im just tasteing the ground
tropic gorge
Lol
strong forum
Testing if the code works
@tropic gorge that's what I do in mists
It's from way early s1 but still works
Notice the awesome spell reflect
On both
plush tendon
better option, just invis past that pack 😄
sweet summit
invis dn
plush tendon
In S1 you had to do that pack for pride yea?
sweet summit
yea
timber cloud
@runic sparrow you ever test bolster by the by?
runic sparrow
Planned to, but never got around to it. Only playing my warrior in alt raids now so my monk can get geared.
I do think it has potential though
timber cloud
I'm not super sure if the extra rage generated would fully offset the extra rage you get from more frequent avatars
especially since if you pop LS on pull, it might be overkill if youre stacking w/ lust and the like
runic sparrow
It is definitely a bit questionable, but on some kill times I suspect it would pull ahead. On fights between 2-3 or 4-5 min or if bolster allows you to get a extra execute phase with LS (for example on the nine) it might be better.
timber cloud
What determines the trinkets you run? Always OWS + .. IQD on specific fight lengths?
Also haste vs crit? I imagine haste helps w banner uptime but it seems like crit always sims higher
sick sentinel
might be fun to watch some mdi run with multi IQD
runic sparrow
I swap it around a lot tbh. IQD is great when it works and awful when it doesn't, just like on dps specs. And sims for necro are way off, I don't really trust them a lot.
timber cloud
Guess I'll just look at kill times and adjust from there
I've noticed in logs that I'm seeing less Satchels and more of the 15s DOT trinket
runic sparrow
I've been trying to get the trinket from DOS that arms runs for a while. Think that might be great with glory.
timber cloud
I imagine that 2 uses of IQD (on pull w lust, execute phase) might be better
But perhaps for longer fights that trinket could be useful
runic sparrow
Just hard to get stat proc on iqd in the middle or end of a fight. Much more likely to get something bad from it
timber cloud
Gotta love giving healers mana haha
tropic gorge
so i was looking around at the top ranked prot wars on raider io. it seems that there are some differences in how players take some talents. with one dude running bolster as the final talent row. i thought that was interesting
tropic gorge
yyeah ive noticed that as the first ranked korean dude logged out in arms lol
strong forum
It doesn't accurately show which talents they've run in keys unless you check their logs
tropic gorge
and i assumed some dudes are trolling
distant crystal
if the run got uploaded via the raider.io client from log monitoring I believe the talents and stuff will be accurate
distant crystal
i think most higher keys are from the client these days
strong forum
Not everybody has logs running
tropic gorge
well. talent swapped after the convos this morning. running devistator. moved thunderclap into its old possition on my ui aftger someone called me out for not using it enough
and fuck me running.
mucho gooder
distant crystal
you don't have to be running logs/WCL client
raider.io client will capture runs from logs now too, as long as you're actually writing logs to disk
distant crystal
ofc, it's just super common
would be nice if they put an indicator
that the run came from client vs leaderboard
strong forum
ic
runic sparrow
dark lark
Glory glory hallelujah
sick sentinel
need 500 more new soul stuff and some gold and i can upgrade to r6, lots to like about necro so far
teal swift
BDK!
sick sentinel
You guys know me, I won't leave protection warrior
Looking into leveling up other classes though 100%
sweet lantern
Looking into leveling up other classes though 100%
Just curious, what other tanks would you consider?
I've been thinking of leveling another tank myself now that there's time to 9.2
sick sentinel
Why would I give up on something that has stayed the course for so long and proven to work
I can't think of a ton of radical changes from what it was in tbc wrath
Not druid, or shaman, or monk, that's for sure 100% nope
Don't like shaman never have never will, seems really scattered class
plush tendon
teal swift
@modern brook can't relate
I just started my bdk like 4 days ago from illvl 213
And got my first 20 times. Prot warrior is in such a weird place
My warrior struggles to get into keys
BDK has no issues. Yuzu doesn't understand
inland mesa
I see the hybrid arms/prot soulbind in pins, is that the correct one or just if you're trying to do both with one soulbind?
teal swift
Yep
It's whyat I use
However
We have unlimited conduit changes
So you can likely grab a potency for some content
inland mesa
gotcha, my conduits are utter dog, I had to swap brew for this expansion so this guy is falling behind but I'm slowly gearing him in mythic raid as there's nothing else to do until 9.2
gotta get used to reprisal though, do people just macro a melee for ease in raid XD
teal swift
I am nearing 30 keys this week
I just love spamming keys
Get that valor and full bis at 246
Be a literal god
modern brook
Honestly the prot half of the split is pretty set in stone
Prot potencies are garbage
inland mesa
yeah and you get the haste talent instead of cc garbage
modern brook
Deep wounds is the only flex and the other options don't really matter
inland mesa
last time I took this character seriously pelagos was a thing
modern brook
Maybe if you want to take ip+safegaurd
I mean in total fairness pelagos and kleia are playable if you really can't stand the knock backs and/or auto phials from miko
He's pretty much entirely his capstone ability
ocean reef
You can circumvent the knockbacks with a /cancelaura macro
modern brook
Doesn't that remove Bron entirely?
ocean reef
You can do it it remove the stacks he has
Before he spawns
So it's up to you
If you know you need the knockback to not happen and you're about to proc him
Then a /cancelaura will remove the stacks and make him spawn later
modern brook
I wonder if no Bron miko still beats his competition
ocean reef
The only moments I really see the knockback be an issue is if you knock mobs into sanguine or just enough for your spear to not hit them
modern brook
I'll comfortably say I've never even noticed the knockbaxk
ocean reef
I have but it's not been an issue for me
modern brook
Yeah either it happens while you're gathering density and it doesn't hit too many things so it's resolved quickly or it happens when you have density and everything basically gets moved together
I've never had those like oh it knocked it out of my flame patch zzzz moments
Though I don't invite mages so maybe this is Confirmation bias
cinder nova
Uncapped Bonegrinder is pretty spicy ngl
Might just be copium, but it seems to slap after rav expires
And my optimization of it was pretty shoddy because I didn't have a WA made for it, so I was missing a cast almost every Rav
Although, that's with SR, so.
Someone tell me I'm an idiot for pressing WW.
modern brook
U dedicated a conduit and made rotational changes to make an ability that's functionally replaced by another usable - not better
That's all I got tbb iunno how true it is
urban portal
tbf
how many good prot potency conduits are there
and the goal of a 15 is to get out as fast as possible
cinder nova
U dedicated a conduit and made rotational changes to make an ability that's func...
idk, each tick (3 per WW) is doing like 3K or more.
That's ~9K per cast per target out to 8 before drop off.
I don't see 9K revs without A LOT up.
I usually can get ~3-5 per Ravager
urban portal
I think it has merits
The only downside is binding ww
Like you run your cov conduit and your armor frag
You can easily sub out armor frag for it
cinder nova
I think it's still a meme. It's probably worth in lower keys where you're just blasting damage, but higher keys it may not be worth the effort.
urban portal
I think so too
Depends on if it beats the nf conduit in dps
The only problem is that it's exclusively damage
Rage gen converts to survival
urban portal
Cov conduits in general ye
cinder nova
I run triple potency so I can have frag, grinder, and PV
Although I think you can only run double conduit w/o dreamweaver
urban portal
I think hammer is just better if you are blasting
cinder nova
Maybe. I haven't checked.
Oh, nevermind. I went MBG and PV for that.
So I have hammer for it.
mystic warren
7 I think
sweet summit
oh shit really
cinder nova
9
sweet summit
?!
sweet summit
it's supposed to be half duration with ravager
mystic warren
With bladestorm it'll say 9 yes but with ravage it's 7
sweet summit
or, at least shorter
sweet summit
yeah lol
cinder nova
well I'm at dummies lemme scope it