shield slam +clap for rage gen
revenge to expend it
keep shield block up as much as you can and ignore pain when needed
#protection
pale gust
ionic fern
I use oPie or w/e it was.
sick sentinel
i use lots of addons, but i try to avoid any of the ones that are severe memory hogs like all the things is the worst offender i can think of by far
WA can get out of hand if you have a billion
mystic warren
if you're not lagging yet you don't have enough WA
sick sentinel
nah, just minor screen flickering squares
bright flax
I just use an auto marker wa, might change the skull here or there if I need to
For world markers I have a macro that cycles over them and places it on mouseover
If im serious about a m+ run that needs marks im pretty sure I already discussed the nifty bits before we start
sick sentinel
i just love the ability to place a world marker anywhere and it sits there dancing
bright green giant bobbing arrow , hmm i wonder if thats a safe spot marked by someone
makes it real easy to communicate sometimes
stark thistle
shield slam +clap for rage gen
revenge to expend it
keep shield block up as much...
Olrayty thanks!
pale gust
Olrayty thanks!
it is a bit more complex than that, you can use ravager at pull, charge in, hero leap and charge back, etc.. but the core info you need it to keep shield block up, as much as you can
get reprisal also, it's very useful
ionic plank
if you're not lagging yet you don't have enough WA
if your game doesnt freeze for a solid 20 seconds when you '/wa'
you aren't doing it right
sick sentinel
this is my only real grievance with addons, you go into the file folder, and its got like, 14 different versions of raider io folders which is all one addon >.> same for dbm
bit daunting to go change addon stuff your self make coding changes to files
jagged pier
i literally have like 5 addons
ionic plank
you'd hate to see my wow directory
jagged pier
wtf do u guys need it for
ionic plank
just random stupid shit
sick sentinel
feels like defusing a bomb
ionic fern
Honestly 80% my addons are never used and are there as leftovers from previous expansions.
ionic plank
most of it i dont even use or rarely use
just accumulated over years
and I am lazy
sick sentinel
just to automate repairs and reminders to not die and whatever
bright flax
this is my only real grievance with addons, you go into the file folder, and its...
I dont understand
sick sentinel
am bad at game
bright flax
Get wowup
ionic plank
I use wowup, wowup good!
sick sentinel
again im in the dark now
ionic plank
it's an addon client
for downloading/updating/managing addons
avoids overwolf (which is what curseforge runs on)
or doing anything dodgy in folders
sick sentinel
im using curse one
bright flax
The only thing wowup is not managing for me is raider io, i use their client
sick sentinel
i go on curse and wago to get all my crap
ionic plank
curseforge is fine, they're near enough the same thing, I just don't like overwolf
oh wait you dont use the curseforge client?? just download the files from curse website?
sick sentinel
i like overwolf because it actually fucking records for free at 1080p+60fps with sound
ionic plank
oh you do
sick sentinel
yeah, i got all those
ionic plank
overwolf used to download all kinds of weird shit to my pc when I used it for things in early days
kinda put me off
I'm sure it's fine now
bright flax
They got a lot of backlash
ionic plank
it also randomly opens overlay in other games that I don't want
usually can just turn it off in the settings but everything defaults to on
and it is irritating
but if you only play wow then it's definitely fine
sick sentinel
curseforge, overwolf, outplayed and wago, and probably some logging stuff, i used to have raider io desktop thing installed for slightly faster IO updates
bright flax
My cpu is so old that I cant even use discord overlay so the less things I have turned on the better, be it windows programs or wow addons
sick sentinel
3700x so its not the best one but im not about to complain
handles anything i can throw at it just fine
ionic plank
I just rebuilt my PC so I'm sure I could manage overwolf, I just found it more hassle than it was worth
sick sentinel
i'll just wait until am5 and whatever is past RTX comes out and "oh my computer broke need new one christmas" in like 2-3 years
strong forum
Buy an overpriced one
ionic plank
I have a 3gb 1060 and wow is fine in any capacity
strong forum
I bought 3080ti on release for 2x its original price on amazon cuz I was tired of waiting
sick sentinel
won't be solid 60fps everywhere, but it will be 50+fps 1080p medium settings
ionic plank
yeah honestly, I'm eventually gonna cave and buy an overpriced one
ionic plank
I used to see
CPU: 90%+
RAM: 80%+
GPU: 60%+
every time I opened task manager
now it's
CPU: 2%
RAM: 4%
GPU: 100%
wow runs fine that's not an issue, but it'd be nice to play at max graphics again and other games at a decent fps
bright flax
I can play with max settings with my 1070 over 60fps easy, but if I walk to the world boss it becomes a slideshow
drifting oasis
what order do you take the last 3 adds in spires? (with a spear)
ionic plank
mm I'm on about 50-80fps with settings bang in the middle
bright flax
what order do you take the last 3 adds in spires? (with a spear)
I do middle, left, right
Spear on the right one. Kronos is his name I believe
mellow gorge
sad
sick sentinel
bright flax
If the group is feeling confident or im short on time i will double pull middle and left
drifting oasis
I've been doing right middle left; not sure why, but it doesn't seem a good order
sick sentinel
when i saw that movie, it was far, far too personal
bright flax
I've been doing right middle left; not sure why, but it doesn't seem a good orde...
When they die they pass their abilities to the remaining ones, at least thats how I read it
The best tip I received for those mobs is that you can see from their spear where the black orbs will go for
mellow gorge
when i saw that movie, it was far, far too personal
it do be hitting hard
drifting oasis
the orbs from the left one? Astro
bright flax
the orbs from the left one? Astro
Yes, look at the spear on the ground and where it is facing. Orbs will always go in a cross shape from them
drifting oasis
ah good to know 🙂
sick sentinel
I do middle, left, right
i personally do 3 1 2
as you are looking at them
spear final at 50%
drifting oasis
3 is right?
oh i see
i've been doing 3 2 1 but ppl complain; and it was pretty horrible last attempt
but should be pretty much same as 3 1 2
sick sentinel
sometimes you have to make group aware to be careful on pull cuz of first ones triple shot, they'll get cleaved there melee especially
bright flax
I might be wrong
sick sentinel
i don't know how it works for certain but if you pull 2 or 3 they buff eachother and it really hurts haha
bright flax
But the reason you want to leave the right one, klotos, for last is because his ability, a stacking dot on the group
And that is hard to heal
And it will transfer to the others once you kill him
mellow bridge
I've been doing right middle left; not sure why, but it doesn't seem a good orde...
because right one is by far the hardest
if you play it in that order, you have to play his ability thrice
since it passes on when they die
you should play middle guy first
mellow gorge
tbf lust on the last boss is kinda useless
mellow gorge
going middle left right
mellow bridge
and then right guy with spear
mellow gorge
is the best case scenario
mellow bridge
on fortified you lust the last guy
drifting oasis
i think it was because i was melee 9.0 and hated the expanding aoe thing from the left one, so i've being doing left last
drifting oasis
yes, crescendo
drifting oasis
yes, just found that out
mellow bridge
and they have nerfed that guy in 9.1
sick sentinel
nope, i do lakesis kloto astranos
mellow bridge
only 3 spears up at a time at max
sick sentinel
is this wrong?
mellow gorge
boooooooo
drifting oasis
i'd have thought spear on last one; as that will have all the affects from the other 2
mellow bridge
yes that's how you do it
You always do middle left right
spear on right
on fortified lust as well
their order is honestly not even debatable
sick sentinel
bright flax
On high fortified keys a single tick from the lines is a one shot, and the stacking dot also ticks really high. Really save everything you can for the last one
sick sentinel
i do, lakesis kloto, astranos wspear 50% every time
because, i saw 3rd wipe us once or twice somehow and then i just always used spear ever since
bright flax
You can carry lakesis and astranos just by placing the mobs right
sick sentinel
i have no idea wtf it is, but astranos does like black blots or some shit, 100% can wipe you
sick sentinel
"keep moving" add
mellow bridge
Yogi
bright flax
Orbs will come in a CROSS formation
mellow bridge
those black bolts come from the spear in the ground
you can see the way the spear faces
one orb will always fly straight from that
then just left right back, in a cross as kir4g said
It's on you as a tank to postion the mob properly so you can hit him without dying
mellow gorge
havel??
sick sentinel
mellow bridge
mellow gorge
i'm going to physically execute you
sick sentinel
this is probably partly why i don't like him
mellow gorge
made me think of ds smh
sick sentinel
If you're taking a lot of damage and/or your team is screaming at you, go into your graphics settings and crank up your "Particle Density" setting. You should see HUGE scary black doom-clouds, about the size of Taurens, exploding upward from lines radiating off the spears these guys throw on the ground.
This is the only effect in Shadowlands that I haven't been able to see with my current settings, so it's technically a bug IMO, but that's small comfort to your group if you fail to time a key because of it.
comment on the astranos spear ability
jagged pier
u should alway shave projected textures and particle density on
its always been that way
sick sentinel
is it another week of bolster?
crude notch
No
crude notch
Anyways there’s the real schedule, moving on.
bright flax
@sick sentinel
took a while to find a clip that clearly details what we meant
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxFPrh8hTo1nKXojsGOK54tSh5P5PjUByj
sick sentinel
ahh, i probably just move him a little bit out of the circle and forget about it
crude notch
@spice crystal these fine citizens were wondering if you could update the affix list on Tanknotes much love. 
crude notch
Did you join the discord and make suggestions to change them or are you just gonna sit there and make fun of the free website made by two people who are extremely busy?
sweet summit
oh shit they have a discord pog
strong forum
Ye, its tankchat
Panth took over and revamped it to tanknotes
iirc
Icould be wrong tho
sweet summit
ionic fern
It's separate afaik Nome.
strong forum
Ah, so I just left tankchat then
sweet summit
🔨 👀
ionic fern
Taking over tankchat is suicide.
strong forum
I joined tankchat after the fact
Didn't see any real activity
So I yeeted again
Only heard lots of bad stuff about it
sweet summit
i joined when i started playing prot but it was dead, and now i just stay for the emotes 🙂
ionic fern
it still also suggests 9.0 Pwar talents
Bolster/bv? It's fine for what the page is. It's dedicated to explaining tank mechanics in raids/m+..it's not ment to be a class guide,going over all legendary specific talent builds etc.The default talent build there is ok.
bright flax
Rng build round 4, mists 18, lego rolled EM
sweet summit
pog
bright flax
finally the game decided to not give me devastator
modern brook
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/880197667106471976.gif?size=96
This is pog
sweet summit
wickedflip owns
modern brook
I need that one tbh
modern brook
Dragons roar could have been great until they ruined it >:(
jagged pier
max survivable and max dps talent set up @ionic fern was told last week in a pug
modern brook
Lmao
ionic fern
Jep..healing pug tanks is a real eye opener.
strong forum
It could be worse
sick sentinel
i don't miss bfa spam devestate
strong forum
But you can guess how long the tank stayed
modern brook
i don't miss bfa spam devestate
You didn't spam devastate in bfa :(
jagged pier
i don't miss bfa spam devestate
what u didnt do that
modern brook
U just didn't take devestator cause it sucked
jagged pier
u havent pressed devastate sinces like uldir and before that legion first patch
modern brook
Or was competing with uf idr which
modern brook
I'm talking bfa jokey smh
jagged pier
yer same
modern brook
Not everything's about uldir >:(
strong forum
In uldir you still played UF
jagged pier
am i forgetting the talent tree
modern brook
Uf was always the move in bfa
strong forum
Devastator you started playing in raid
In bod
Devastator competed with booming voice
strong forum
Yes
modern brook
Good times
strong forum
I prefer the current playstyle but the feedback loop in bfa was much better
jagged pier
i dunno MoP and WoD i still really liked
tbf ive enjoyed all prot sinces vanilla so
modern brook
I started in legion t.t
strong forum
Baby
modern brook
👶
mellow gorge
if they are a baby for starting in legion
then am I a fetus for starting in late BfA
mellow gorge
farmed essences
that's about it
then never got to use it
by the time i unlocked them
jagged pier
i didnt take anything seriously till MoP
mellow gorge
yep
spice crystal
<@195389352866480128> these fine citizens were wondering if you could update the...
Oh shoot you right! I completely forgot about those, was doing them week by week for a while cause we didn't know the rotation yet
I can change it tonight!
mellow gorge
wooo
bright flax
easy rng run
bright flax
spice crystal
Haha honestly a decent amount of it needs an update with new things
I've just been hella busy
chilly brook
I've just been hella busy
I feel this
mellow gorge
I feel this
I second this
chilly brook
New job has been eating my free time
spice crystal
Do you like it though?
jagged pier
no i dont
chilly brook
Do you like it though?
Hard to tell really, just started last week. I'm going to like the pay for sure but kinda playing the waiting game for stuff to settle and get the full idea of what it'll be like
spice crystal
yeah first few weeks always suck cause you don't know what to do really
and then you're the "new kid" and don't know your coworkers and stuff
once you get into a groove with it will be better
stray hemlock
when would you ever use a 252 scale?
jagged pier
mythic slyv
strong forum
In most raid fights its better than aegis
jagged pier
even then i would take matrix over it
jagged pier
In most raid fights its better than aegis
u dont need it in any other fights
stray hemlock
Yah I realize I don't need it. I run phial and ows or matrix or meathook for raids at the moment. I had no good choices so I took it.
And never use it for mythic+ since 239 matrix is better?
So I should've taken the fragments instead outta vault =/ since I'm never doing m sylv
strong forum
Getting there!
dusky canopy
BUT.. NW is so much fun blasting 🙃
dusky canopy
LOL! I want to be a part of that group
I bet ergaw didn't I've seen that man's none nw overalls
strong forum
🧢
bright flax
Damn how come the pally wasnt healing in prot?
bright flax
Ah ye bursting would suck for it
dusky canopy
How did you guys handle bosses?
Spear 1, Orb 2nd, double spear 3, hammers last?
dusky canopy
I'll check it out I'm curious now haha.. I want to do a 4 tank NW now, the thought sounds like alot of fun!
brittle owl
just meditate twice a day, take cold showers, and find out your body type
erga defo endomorph
sweet summit
i don't know what that word means please stop it you are scaring me
brittle owl
cReAtInE
autumn pendant
brittle owl
strong forum
Ectomorph here ama
dusky canopy
brittle owl
"high proportion of fat tissue"
peak physical condition
sweet summit
x
strong forum
Seismic > EM
dusky canopy
Finishing my swap back to kyrian today should be fun
dusky canopy
blazing condor
modern brook
Whats going on here
sweet summit
@brittle owl bullying again
ocean reef
Not sure if I dare join the key
I look in Prot and I want to close my eyes and tuck myself to sleep half the time
sweet summit
@ocean reef keys in 25
ocean reef
<@!102464908976730112> keys in 25
👀
bright flax
Does the game usually algo give you the same key you already had before?
brittle owl
it's completely random
bright flax
With my meme runs I went from HoA to mists back to HoA now
brittle owl
rng gonna rng 🤷♂️
bright flax
Its just anecdotal cases Ig
brittle owl
we like to see patterns, even where there is none
timber cloud
@stray hemlock I'm late to the party but I would not recommend using Scale over Aegis for Sylv. The latter ends up doing far more damage absorbed since her bursts are many smaller hits, and it also helps with the dot
modern brook
<@!408281070409351168> bullying again
Nature is healing
jagged pier
<@108725216443703296> I'm late to the party but I would not recommend using Scal...
Eh? Aegis does thos thigs and literally better than scale
stray hemlock
yah, hes saying Aegis is better then scale.
blazing condor
Jakey ”too long didnt read but youre wrong” stormforged
jagged pier
I literally im in the middld of stuff and using would not instead of wouldnt in brain just doesnt work
blazing condor
strong forum
adhd is a requirement for SF
plush tendon
susforged
hasty cedar
wasted all my luck in one week
btw, i got ows, currently i was using phial + aegis, so ows instead of aegis is better ?
sick sentinel
Quick question about raiding and shards in general i miss 1 blood shard to get the bonus but done HC allready and world boss
Is there actually a chance getting them in a normal raid the same week?
sick sentinel
btw, i got ows, currently i was using phial + aegis, so ows instead of aegis is ...
Ows only gets better the more targets you have i believe
bright flax
btw, i got ows, currently i was using phial + aegis, so ows instead of aegis is ...
Youre comparing apples to potatos
Of those 3, the most defensive combo is aegis and ows
The most offensice is ows and phial
sick sentinel
For high parses go phial and the dps trink from giardian is max ST output
bright flax
Quick question about raiding and shards in general i miss 1 blood shard to get t...
I believe sylvannas always drops a shard, even in lfr, its worth a shot
hasty cedar
Youre comparing apples to potatos
Basically it's depends of fight
jagged pier
For high parses go phial and the dps trink from giardian is max ST output
No
Sack and phial are our best dps trinkets
If your necro its iqd and ows
sick sentinel
sack will be overwritten after certain ilvl of the guardian trink
mighty valley
sack is gonna be wild next season
jagged pier
Yep
jagged pier
Bloodmallet KEKW
bright flax
Bloodmallet uses a base character whose stats might differ from yours. And all they did is run simulations, so in the end just sim yourself if you're looking for dmg
jagged pier
Bloodmallet wasnt reliable in bfa, or the start of CN
U also shouldnt just blindly follow what something u dont understand is telling u
In fact dont blindly follow anything
sick sentinel
i am just asking cause i never heard any feedback about bloodmallet
blazing condor
Alleged ”free thinkers” when the iqd sims higher
jagged pier
Well yer ut always will the same way everything sims higher than rep right now cause the sim is borked with rep
How many ppl knew that do you reckon?
blazing condor
At least 3
jagged pier
Well 4 mwahi and the SFs know so h are correct there
Fyi add about 200-300dps if your simming with rep
bright flax
Fyi add about 200-300dps if your simming with rep
request pin
sick sentinel
2 complete trash options from vault werent even worth taking
probably needed the research anyway
sick sentinel
this channel discussing how to more dps as tank
blazing condor
Stupid lois
jagged pier
When we doing the weekly.
Is it 10 server time yet?
ionic fern
I don't know.
ocean reef
When we doing the weekly.
Erga already dragged me through one
Thought you were the WW monk with us
👀
jagged pier
Mwahi DPS ever????
jagged pier
Didnt u have like 200 ilvl wep tho?
jagged pier
jagged pier
Bane for tank just saying
Mwahis a great healer "after 10 melees i aint healing you"
jagged pier
Ive tanked for ergas lock it went fine
Just equip siesmic for the dps loss of bringing his lock
wild hemlock
ive done, at minimum, 4 keys on my warrior every week and still dont have a 252 shield LOL
wtb alt raid
jagged pier
Just join mythic pugs
wild hemlock
bout to
wild hemlock
Ive tanked for ergas lock it went fine
ill tank
tropic gorge
You guys should do a total meme run. Rng all talents, rng cov sockets, 4 warriors one healer. And go
jagged pier
I mean we did a 4 prot key
bright flax
My key to rng run is back to hoa 19. Sad full circle i lost the will to /roll 3
jagged pier
ancient reef
if i decide to really work an alt in .5 can i just ignore callings and korthia
wild hemlock
if i decide to really work an alt in .5 can i just ignore callings and korthia
ive always ignored hah and have 2 250 toons and a 240
ancient reef
i jsut wanna workup a heals
tropic gorge
I got a monk waiting for that very reason
wild hemlock
just pick up the callings that you can do a m+ to count for. tanks and heals are pretty lenient with borrowed powers i feel (might be wrong there)
ionic fern
Hei, that's almost what MW is like.
ancient reef
i also have a monk but this is gonna sound like crazy, i dont like ww brm/mw are fun
sullen valve
Whatever way you want
jagged pier
@ionic fern im rdy
ionic fern
Lets gooo.
jagged pier
interesting
bright flax
Tis fast
ancient reef
are mw any good in arena
ionic fern
🤷
jagged pier
jagged pier
☝️
sweet summit
true
vast nebula
hello, some help for macro for war tank? l need one for ignore pain with blocked shield
jagged pier
no
jagged pier
sweet summit
bright flax
I actually wanted to go in the weekly key
But someone asked me if I wanted to bolster a flesh crafter on a 15
We got it to nerzudah and then realized nerzudah has 1M hp and just proceeded as normal
mystic warren
didn't they fix bolstered fleshcrafter
tropic gorge
next week the affixes are getting "tuned", nerfed, whatever you wanna call it
bolster will have a timer (prob a good change imo)
distant crystal
yoo 2min cds will reset on wipe now
mystic warren
think they made that public in one of the first ptr posts
distant crystal
All cooldowns of 2 minutes or longer now reset at the end of raid encounters or when starting a Mythic+ dungeon (was 3 minutes or longer cooldowns). This does not apply to Shaman's Reincarnation or Warlock's Ritual of Doom.
sweet summit
link
distant crystal
Erga doesn't know how to find patch notes
sweet summit
i do not
distant crystal
sweet summit
i am blind as a bat
mystic warren
imagine how erga reacts when he finds out some abilities are getting uncapped
autumn pendant
Same reaction when pad found out heroic leap resets taunt cooldown
distant crystal
softcap, no cap
sweet summit
distant crystal
Kappa
mystic warren
or raz when he found out he can wait 1 sec into a pull before grabbing aggro
the floor has been lonely ever since
autumn pendant
or pad when he found out he actually has to have repaired shield to tank
mystic warren
I have mika for that
feral drift
are rings still driven by ilvl? I got a 252 crit/vers ring from the vault and its my highest ring
sonic tangle
Pretty sure with rings and necklaces youd want what gives you the best stats, since they don't provide str or stam
feral drift
feral drift
Pretty sure with rings and necklaces youd want what gives you the best stats, si...
they give stam
mystic warren
Death god's and sworn oath are probably your best options as prot
haste is kinda big
autumn pendant
Stam isnt that big of a dealbetween such a low ilvl difference
feral drift
aye. i figured. im in the bummer vault club this week I guess
sonic tangle
they give stam
Oh yeah doi. But as Pad said stam isn't a deal breaker. Definitely go with the stats before anything. High haste is giga 🍆
mellow gorge
aight
to everyone
good luck on the vault
cause knowing WoW's RNG, you rarely get an upgrade at this rate
sick sentinel
All cooldowns of 2 minutes or longer now reset at the end of raid encounters or ...
i still don't fully get why DH has to meta before start of dungeon, becuase from my understanding they dont keep the form or cd
i still let them do it
mystic warren
they do keep it and the cd does reset
sick sentinel
thats the only class i ever see need me to do it
sick sentinel
i just normally give everyone a nice 20 second countdown before dungeon starts
10 is a bit short, 30 is forever, can eat and buff on 20
distant crystal
venthyr moonkin has the most broken pre-key situation right now
mystic warren
you give them 2 seconds
if they manage to react, great
if not, natural selection
distant crystal
the cov ability lets you stack up a buff that gives crit/haste/spell amp with each stack
if you use it prepull, the cd resets, and if you use it AGAIN while you have the buff, it snapshots that stack count for full duration
sick sentinel
natural selection is un-ironically the name of the latest guild im in hah
distant crystal
so instead of like, slowly ramping up to ~32 stacks over the duration, you have like 28 stacks for the whole duration
it's actually insane dps
sick sentinel
i dunno about you guys, but i'm personally bad about knowing when a proper time to lust is or not
distant crystal
kinda not your problem lol
sick sentinel
so i get mages whatever asking all the time, don't really plan it out, just if we have it and its boss, sure
distant crystal
first pull and then as close to on cd as possible is a decent general rule, with some exceptions
mystic warren
you lust the difficult bosses, if there's any extra lusts you can fit in just try to use them sensibly so you can do something you might otherwise not be able to and save time
long as you use them on the bosses you gotta use them on and don't leave any spare outside of that you're almost always fine
sick sentinel
some dude lusted me on a +15 td fire boss 3rd boss at 40% hp and we failed the key because didn't have enough dps to kill final
distant crystal
also if you know roughly how long the dungeon will take, you can get an idea of how much you can delay lust for a good lineup (same with all cds really, and like for raid bosses)
sick sentinel
i will never forgive him
distant crystal
28min dungeon = you get 3 lusts max, and you can delay up to a total of like 7 minutes, so you have a lot of leeway
32 minute dungeon = you better be hitting that shit early and often or you lose a lust
crude notch
If people are winging lusts and you didn’t communicate where you want lusts that’s on you
mystic warren
a lust on that boss on 40% is pretty special though
if you knew how to dodge you could do that boss without a healer
sick sentinel
generally what i'm used to is first boss of a dungeon and then typically like last, depends i guess
distant crystal
if you're not lusting the first pull in HoA you're kinda trollin
sick sentinel
i hate that dungeon
distant crystal
first pull in spires is pretty good too but you won't have it for first boss
generally any time you can do a nice fat first pull with lust it's a good idea
mystic warren
don't really need it for that boss unless you plan to pull the pack in front of it with it
nothing ramps up there that makes you want to kill it quick
distant crystal
- it gets it on cd ASAP 2) all dps will have cds available 3) dh/moonkin will have bigger/longer cds than they'll ever have
sick sentinel
i'm not out to break the world neither, i just wanna do some keys have a nice time
band of adventurers called to aid stuck in a sticky situation and try to get out
late notch
Raid tanking for the first time in awhile. I have a few trinkets, but not sure what's the best combo to use.
252 IQD/233 OWS/246 Blood Scale/239 Weave of Warped Fate/239 Reactive Defense Matrix/239 Shard of Annhylde's Aegis/ 246 Phial
mellow bridge
Phial OWS unless you're gonna be tanking sylv
For sylv you def want aegis, second trinket is debatable
late notch
Thank you
dusky canopy
boys looking for opinions
for EM crafting haste/crit would prolly be best for multi specing?
modern brook
for EM crafting haste/crit would prolly be best for multi specing?
you wouldnt really use it as prot so whatever your dps spec wants likely some form of crit/X
dusky canopy
I went crit/haste 🙂
modern brook
sounds good
fervent kestrel
Just got back into tanking after years away. Do we have a “best” trinket or trinket setup for progression through M SoD?
ionic fern
What are you looking for.
Something offensive? Defensive?
Generally you should be fine with offensive trinkets as long as you play properly and call externals when needed.
jagged pier
Best trinkets are phial and sack until slyv then its aegis and scale or aegis and matrix
sweet summit
doubt it
sturdy badge
Hey first time playing warrior at all, and aiming to be prot. How is tank damage? FAQ says damage can be mediocre. I am really aiming to have a tank that does really decent damage. Is it comparable with prot pally for example? I know this is a super broad question admittedly
ionic fern
It really is a broad question. 🙂
Our ST damage can be mediocre while our AoE is really solid.
If we're talking about dungeons then 7k+ should be do-able pretty easily.
People are reaching 9k etc.
sturdy badge
That seems to be the norm with tanks as I understand. I was trying to see if prot warrior would be something I would enjoy playing. And yeah 7k is an insane number in my mind. Being that on my 2300 rogue I do like 9.8 ish xD
And yeah I should have narrowed my question to how it plays in m+ as that is the content I was targeting.
urban portal
You aren't going to beat a prot pally in damage most of the time
But prot warrior puts less stress on the healer so the overall dps of the group could be higher
sturdy badge
Jeezzzz.
primal cape
(it's a trap)
ionic fern
9k is not un-reachable tho.
Just play Seismic.
If you know the class you can easily get away with it in like the 18-20 range.
sturdy badge
And I guess my next question is, while night fae and kyrian are both equal, what is preferred?
Obvs kyrians phial is undeniably good
And blink is kinda useless.
ionic fern
Blink 100% is not useless.
ionic fern
It's one of the best kiting tools & helps you avoid a ton of things.
primal cape
i would say it's easier playing kyrian because of phial+spear, but means nothing
ionic fern
Or Charge weave.
sturdy badge
I see
ionic fern
I've played both and honestly in dungeons i think i SLIGHTLY prefer NF just due to the AA knockdown since PuG's can't kick.
sturdy badge
I always felt blink was something that was a cool short teleport but for high mobility classes didn’t add alot to the table
Yeah the night fae ability seemed really neat.
I’ve heard it does a bit more than spear in raw output aswell?
ionic fern
NF in general should edge out in the DPS department due to Korayn's First Strike being stupid strong in dungeons.
sturdy badge
I don’t mean to be asking just dps questions as a tank, but it’s an area of tanking I’ve wanted to get really good at xD
I see
ionic fern
Kyrian is the more "consistent" option since you get spear every 40 seconds.
Meaning you have spear/Avatar/Ravager for almost every pack.
sturdy badge
That makes sense
ionic fern
I would suggest you to check out both once 9.1.5 hits and see which one suits your playstyle better.
sturdy badge
It’s sad, the only real reason I’ve been shying away from kyrian is that it’s just the “meta” for everything.
Yeah for sure I plan on looking into both with those changes.
primal cape
play necro then 👀
sturdy badge
Fleshcraft insane
jagged pier
Necro's for padding ST damage.
Its not that far ahead anymore tho only around 100dps
sturdy badge
Like that on its own is a huge defensive
primal cape
lemme tank on my green bubble
ionic fern
Its not that far ahead anymore tho only around 100dps
Jeah but it has a ton of cheese possibilities in raids.
sturdy badge
Yeah call me selfish though, the banner for necro just isn’t as fun sounding xD
ionic fern
I still stand by what i said - if no allies are nearby provide the Warrior all the mastery.
BoM v2
primal cape
venthyr is the #1 choice
jagged pier
Then necro would be mandartory smh
primal cape
draven could be a solid option
jagged pier
Venthyr is trash and always will apart from mog
primal cape
but kyrian 80 i cant change rn
fringe folio
Hello. Question about talents. I see icy veins doesn't recommend heavy repercussions, however wowhead does. Also I see quite a few people running heavy repercussions. What is the trade-off here? Damage versus survivability?
ionic fern
Hello, generally you have it correct - the trade off is damage versus survivability.
I don't suggest HR in the IV guide as it's not needed for the majority of content your average player is doing - the base block in addition to Reprisal block will get you through most of the keys without issues so you might as well be more damage oriented with AM.
HR/ITF(or Ravager) is the build people use higher up in the key chain that's heavily focused on increasing your SB up-time significantly due to mobs living longer/hitting harder etc. It's not a BAD build by any means, it does what it's supposed to do and does it really well.
I do suggest tho that which ever build you go for take Ravager over ITF in m+ since it will help a lot with Threat.
fringe folio
Thanks Mwahi, very clear explanation 🙂
jagged pier
ionic fern
Be a real chad tho and play Seismic with AM/BSC.
Will teach you real fast how to play the class well if you're doing higher keys.
jagged pier
U told me to run rep
jagged pier
ionic fern
You all think Reprisal is the play?
WRONG - it has been Leaper ALL ALONG.
Leggo
ionic fern
No.
Leaper.
Ravager-Charge-Revenge-Leap out-charge back in-revenge-leap back out and kite.
Can't take damage when they can't hit you.
autumn pendant
TCs these days
brittle owl
ah yes
ionic fern
Jeah, also the play on the first boss in SoD during last phase.
brittle owl
the guerilla prot warr
ionic fern
👍
autumn pendant
I thought the play is, leap and hearth
brittle owl
tmog green pants and red shirt too
ionic fern
You might hear some DPS'ers go
"STOP MOVING THE MOBS"
But just ignore them - Run like the wind.
brittle owl
"TANK11?1 WTF?" is just internet slang for keep going
ionic fern
Jep.
PLUS - you can do GIGA pulls. Run in on your mount, pull half the dungeon and double leap away and kite 24/7.
Bonus points if you're NF for Soulshape.
jagged pier
ionic fern
NEVER FORGET:
"I know I sound pretentious and I guess I am a little but here's the thing most "modern" tanks don't get that an older MMO vet (I'm 35, playing since 17 every dammed day) has had drilled into their core: we as tanks - myself included - are not important. It's not your job to kill creatures or keep other people alive. That's for dps and healers respectively. Being surprised that the weight of keeping a tank alive is mostly on the healer is ridiculous. That's literally supposed to be their only job. (Not dispelling shit and moving people or any of that.)
You know what your job is? Hold the creature still and get hit like a punching bag. That's it. Interrupt things if you get bored but your only job is to make sure the DPS can do their job. The healer's job is to make sure the tank doesn't stop doing his job.
At least that's how it used to be. Now Blizzard has muddied the waters with things like movement mechanics interrupts and all kinds of non - essential shit. Back in the day, the cleric sat on their ass staring at their spellbook to get mana, the warrior went and got monsters to bring back (On your feet, here comes the meat!) to the group and held them still and the wizard burnt them to ashes. We also had these things called support classes that handled all this extra stuff like interrupts, buffs and slowing a creatures attacks. It was 6 to a group back then but I digress.
Point is, if you think you're ANYTHING other than a punching bag or maybe a big guy just holding the MOBs still (trivia: "MOB" is short for "mobile object") so your dps can do their thing then you're doing it wrong. Your DPS meter doesn't matter. No one cares what you've interrupted or taunted or not as long as it isn't hurting them. You're not saving the world or some superhuman. You're actually the least interesting part of the machine. You're the framework that holds the moving parts together, that's it. Learn that and accept it and you'll be a much better tank."
I love this copy-pasta.
brittle owl
wasnt that a legion pasta
ionic fern
Been around forever jeah.
jagged pier
NEVER FORGET:
"I know I sound pretentious and I guess I am a little but here's the thing most "modern" tanks don't get that an older MMO vet (I'm 35, playing since 17 every dammed day) has had drilled into their core: we as tanks - myself included - are not important. It's not your job to kill creatures or keep other people alive. That's for dps and healers respectively. Being surprised that the weight of keeping a tank alive is mostly on the healer is ridiculous. That's literally supposed to be their only job. (Not dispelling shit and moving people or any of that.)
You know what your job is? Hold the creature still and get hit like a punching bag. That's it. Interrupt things if you get bored but your only job is to make sure the DPS can do their job. The healer's job is to make sure the tank doesn't stop doing his job.
At least that's how it used to be. Now Blizzard has muddied the waters with things like movement mechanics interrupts and all kinds of non - essential shit. Back in the day, the cleric sat on their ass staring at their spellbook to get mana, the warrior went and got monsters to bring back (On your feet, here comes the meat!) to the group and held them still and the wizard burnt them to ashes. We also had these things called support classes that handled all this extra stuff like interrupts, buffs and slowing a creatures attacks. It was 6 to a group back then but I digress.
Point is, if you think you're ANYTHING other than a punching bag or maybe a big guy just holding the MOBs still (trivia: "MOB" is short for "mobile object") so your dps can do their thing then you're doing it wrong. Your DPS meter doesn't matter. No one cares what you've interrupted or taunted or not as long as it isn't hurting them. You're not saving the world or some superhuman. You're actually the least interesting part of the machine. You're the framework that holds the moving parts together, that's it. Learn that and accept it and you'll be a much better tank."
fickle tree
hello all, today i got the sylvanas shoulders. is it worth to wear them and lose 7 ilevel? (will be the first dom socket item i put on, i upgraded the shard of jas and all other bloodshards to max level) atm i wear 252 shouldres.
ionic fern
hello all, today i got the sylvanas shoulders. is it worth to wear them and lose...
Hello,
More than likely - yes.
You can sim yourself for damage with the appropriate shard equipped.
In m+ just drop the Frost Absorb Shard in and it's also better defensively.
fickle tree
okay, thanks for the quick reply
jagged pier
Yer i know he was actually being helpful this morning
ionic fern
Rude, when am i NOT helpful.
jagged pier
When your healing KEKW
ionic fern
Hurtful..but not wrong.
The amount of times i died yesterday to the frontal..big tank brain makes me ignore every mechanic.
jagged pier
U just used to being in front of mobs its fine
teal swift
Real reason to go venthyr
outer onyx
Hi, I just up my old war lvl 60 because I want to start playing tank but as I played fury to XP I don't even have a One hand weapon... What is the fastest way to get 1 to start doing dungeons ?
sick sentinel
Run dungeons as fury (ideally Necrotic Wake as you'll get your best-in-slot weapon from there called Enraged Worm Smasher).
Change your loot specialisation to Protection, which means you'll loot items specific to Prot Warrior.
@outer onyx
tropic gorge
If you guys can see it, Dune is really really good
uncut notch
I know it’s not the point, but what kind of dps are you guys pulling? Getting performance anxiety seeing my prot pally friends rip 12k with ashen hallow..
ionic fern
Raids?
M+?
Overall?
Boss?
uncut notch
M+ average I guess
uncut notch
Ilvl?
ionic fern
245
uncut notch
Hmm
How much of that do you attribute to covenant ability?
I assume you’re kyrian, does that cause big spikes?
jagged pier
In m+ 7-9.5k in raid like very boss dependant but high 6k on ST
ionic fern
Yes, i'm Kyrian.
I don't have access to logs right now so i can't tell you exactly how much Spear contributes.
ionic fern
I think he ment like burst dps.
bright flax
don't compare prot warrior dmg to prot pally mate. but 12k average in m+ he gotta be padding something somewhere
uncut notch
A prot pally doing 12k m+ overall dps?
19k spikes in certain spots
strong forum
Spikes, sure
ionic fern
Oh, lol
strong forum
But overall, no
jagged pier
I spike like 40k sometimes in packs
ionic fern
Show offs.
bright flax
my biggest spike on the pally was ST with everything lined up around 50k
strong forum
Mwahi you also did like 30k on the first pull in our NW meme run
bright flax
but the tradeoff in survivability is big
strong forum
uncut notch
Well it was more a case of trying to work out what average target I should be heading for
uncut notch
And it sounds like 7-10 average is the ballpark
strong forum
10 is really high
strong forum
Most tanks do 7k average, 9k when going really fucking ham
bright flax
that's on NW with some wipes but that's the ballpark and overall you can also get that with warrior
jagged pier
Thats like less damage than i did last night not paying attenton
ionic fern
That's cause you had my sick heals @jagged pier
bright flax
but for a pally 7.7k is lowish
jagged pier
Thats allow overall for NW
bright flax
while for a warrior it's highish
strong forum
For NW 7.7 is low
jagged pier
Ive been over 10k in NW
uncut notch
This has descended very quickly into dick measuring 😂😂😂
strong forum
No, it's facts
Most tanks do 7k in non NW dungeon
In NW your overall is always 2-3k higher
Because of weapons and orbs
ionic fern
^
bright flax
it comes down if you have downtime like wipes and shit but 7k is a good value to aim for any dungeon but NW
ionic fern
So what you take away from this is that we do less ST damage than Paladins but our AoE makes up for it.
Meaning the avg is roughly the same.
strong forum
^
ionic fern
I think all tanks do roughly similar DPS in dungeons , except for BDK's?
Haven't seen one in a while. 👀
bright flax
necrolord is a lot of burst for them, venthyr gives them a little more sustained dmg, if you really want to do damage you can talent into bonestorm and go for it
jagged pier
Haven't seen one in a while. 👀
More ppl play bdk than prot in 20+ keys
ocean reef
I've heard tales of Ergadk blood tank doing massive dps
ionic fern
strong forum
Bdk and guardian on average do less dps
In m+
But guardian can do good dps if they weave alot
Takes alot more skill tho
bright flax
For erga less than 10k overall is scrubs damage
ionic fern
What does ergaDK do then?
ionic fern
For erga less than 10k overall is scrubs damage
Erga lost to a Enhance Shaman yesterday on a couple of pulls. Make fun of him.
bright flax
Erga lost to a Enhance Shaman yesterday on a couple of pulls. Make fun of him.
Wasnt he playing on a lock?
bright flax
Yesterday my guildies were making fun of a feral, until we engaged in ST pulls
Was weird, 2 ferals in 3 keys. Both were guardians offspecing
jagged pier
Erga did like 12k overall yesterdsy
Also will i get matrix in ma box today?
Me and the shammy both didike 7.5k erga was very far ahead
ionic fern
Cmon Jakey, i wanted to bully Erga. 😦
jagged pier
Hes the bady of the SFs we cant bully him
He never lived in the xbox live servers of old he cant take bullying
strong forum
👶
sweet summit
ergawl did 4k overall in dos yesterday
strong forum
He never lived in the xbox live servers of old he cant take bullying
If you've seen twitter, you'd know that the generation that grew up with southpark can't take jokes anymore
It's real fucking sad
sweet summit
old man yells at cloud
strong forum
Nobody yellin at me
sweet summit
old cloud yells at man?
ionic fern
If you've seen twitter, you'd know that the generation that grew up with southpa...
How is that even possible??
strong forum
It's true...
jagged pier
If you've seen twitter, you'd know that the generation that grew up with southpa...
I havent seen twitter dont even have an account.... thank god
strong forum
Don't bother
jagged pier
Im not gunna bother dont u worry
strong forum
It's literally all just Internet propaganda and people being offended
And lots of porn
ionic fern
🛑
strong forum
👀
brittle owl
it pretty much filled the void left by tumblr
crude notch
Can’t have external emotes in this server but shitty takes on RL stuff we got that a plenty.
strong forum
There's a German comedian who's entire joke repertoire is literally just stolen from the Internet
But boomers wouldn't know
sick sentinel
boomers think a tv is "a computer"
i know from first hand non family boomer experience
crude notch
Boomers are 60+ so that scans.
jagged pier
Well tbf some tvs are pretty close to computers nowadays
restive grove
how exactly does armor interact with prots defensives like shieldwall? is it my 50% reduced and then shieldwall chunks off 50% of the remainder?
modern brook
how exactly does armor interact with prots defensives like shieldwall? is it my ...
All dr is multiplicative by source
bright flax
Well have you heard about that tech gadget with wheels attached that can drive you everywhere?
Teslas I believe they are called
modern brook
So If u have 50%Dr from armor and sw up you have 75% dr
strong forum
^
crude notch
So like he said
bright flax
The evolution of the integrated circuit was along the life of what you call boomers so its pretty normal for younger generations to just understand it better
crude notch
Yeah if you showed George Washington a car he’d be shocked by it, imagine that.
bright flax
The same thing will happen to us with some tech that we dont even imagine right now
crude notch
The same thing will happen to us with some tech that we dont even imagine right ...
Exactly
brittle owl
not really
if you're up do date nowadays
you're fairly future proof
more or less
crude notch
You can’t be up to date with things that haven’t happened
sweet summit
huh?
brittle owl
it's not about discreet stuff that can or has happened
strong forum
Hah can't happen to me, I don't age
brittle owl
it's the rate at which changes have happened
strong forum
😎
crude notch
George Washington was around 200 years ago you really think technology won’t advance another 200 years from now?
brittle owl
and we are living in the fastest developing period of hunan history
thereis a logarithmic trend to it though
sick sentinel
You can’t be up to date with things that haven’t happened
brittle owl
rn we're on the exponential
crude notch
Yes every period has been the fastest developing period
sick sentinel
kind of a shitpost video but that video does scare me on some existential level
bright flax
Shit started booming after ww2
brittle owl
nah
crude notch
Yogi I’m not watching anything you link because if your brain in rl works remotely like it does in WoW no thanks.
sick sentinel
cuz its like how often you hear about something changing but its always something that doesn't matter and eventually the whole story changes
brittle owl
internet literally made the development exponential
strong forum
No need to get aggressive
crude notch
You’re delusional if you think you could be shown a technology from 200 years from now and be like yeah I know exactly how this works.
brittle owl
i never said that
bright flax
Point is it wasnt the internet per se, but the basis of our computers is tech from the 60s
sick sentinel
it's like, oh we got this covid pandemic and trade wars, now on to an interveiw with this guy why he can't hold the cities dog fair next weekend because of funding and drama
strong forum
That's an unreasonable time frame
brittle owl
You’re delusional if you think you could be shown a technology from 200 years fr...
idk why you're being a cunt about this
sick sentinel
feels super dysptopian to me, i'm sorry
strong forum
The premise was, keeping up to date with technology development and trends to be able to work and understand them so a sufficient level
brittle owl
^
bright flax
We are in the age of information, and things in the eletronics fields and what it enabled are advancing at a rate we never seen before
strong forum
Not understand 200years in the future tech instantly
bright flax
But some other tech will appear
strong forum
That's a whole different world
crude notch
I literally said show George Washington a car and he’d be shocked. Someone else said same thing would happen with us. Mael said not really.
brittle owl
But some other tech will appear
it's reasonable to assume that we're very close, relatively speaking, to colonizing the solar system
crude notch
The time frame was exclusively responded to by mael
brittle owl
the next breakthrough would theoretically have to be in space travel
to enable another exponential growth
sweet summit
😒
jagged pier
How about technology that saves our planet first
brittle owl
I literally said show George Washington a car and he’d be shocked. Someone else ...
i didnt
i was referring to us being like majority of 70 yolds with regards to tech
when we reach that age
strong forum
His response was to the assessment that every current period is the fastest in terms of technological growth
And advancement
crude notch
Since you forget what you responded to
brittle owl
i mean
crude notch
brittle owl
really