Though does suck you only have a 2 week gap to get it
#protection
mellow gorge
mellow gorge
To be fair getting a bis ring locked behind a 2 week time walk is kind of bad
And never to be obtained again
urban portal
yes thats what i said
and blizzard seems to realize it
so they didnt put it in the loot pull
pool
sick sentinel
Is it normal for a prot warrior to put out 4,6k healing overall and 7,5k dps in a plaguefall 15? Ilvl 240
Our healer only did 4,7k healing overall
sand pebble
Is it normal for a prot warrior to put out 4,6k healing overall and 7,5k dps in ...
yes if they run kyr shard + spam ignore pain - if they are venth they also get alot of healing from condem
sick sentinel
The thing is i dont spamm ignore pain and i am kyrian mikanikos soulbind shard are the ones advices for m+ so increased dmg and the one that shields
mellow gorge
Im curious how the hell did you reach 4.6k hps
strong forum
I've never even seen a warri above 3.6k
mellow gorge
Also the new mythic affixes changes are nice
Bolstering at 20 seconds only sounds really nice for mistake bolster
strong forum
My guess would be full defensive trinkets for hps pad
mellow gorge
Aegis and scale?
strong forum
Matrix is more hps than scale
sick sentinel
My guess would be full defensive trinkets for hps pad
Having this alot to put out alot of healing, i run 252 scale and the heroic trink from guardian the tank one
mellow gorge
Ah
strong forum
Eh maybe not
mellow gorge
Heroic trink?
strong forum
Matrix
mellow gorge
Ah
sick sentinel
Yeah 239 ilvl matrix
mellow gorge
Sounds like matrix blasts
strong forum
It does
mellow gorge
Ought to get it
strong forum
300+ dps and hps
mellow gorge
Oh shit really?
strong forum
Yes
mellow gorge
Ye screw my anima field emitter
strong forum
It's an amazing trinket
sick sentinel
Dps is t that good but hella good defensive
mellow gorge
Time to raid
strong forum
Patch is still up for 5 months so ye it's worth getting it
mellow gorge
Sucked that last time i raided I got 2 dom gloves
mellow gorge
It do be like that
sick sentinel
You guys have any info on how this trink performs as 233 ilvl? Cant seem to find any info on this. M+ wise this is
mellow gorge
223 or 233?
strong forum
It's rly good defensively
50% uptime on 10% damage reduction
For bdks its also HUGE dmg output
I'm talking over 600dps for bdks
sick sentinel
And as prot warr? Still unlucky on both my warr and bdk to get this
mellow gorge
One could reach 1k dps on bdk through only trinkets?
strong forum
On pwar its much much less dmg
Cuz we don't take dmg
Bdks take literal boatloads of damage
strong forum
One could reach 1k dps on bdk through only trinkets?
Yes
sick sentinel
Running seismic so ill take some more dmg
mellow gorge
Time to roll bdk
sick sentinel
Bdk rules anyhow just run mastery for m+
mellow gorge
Before i roll bdk, I need to max out my prot
sick sentinel
Having my BDK from last raid tier when i mained it. Still blasts with the old trinks!
teal swift
@strong forum xoxo
mellow gorge
1946?
mellow gorge
Ah
sick sentinel
So it is worth keep on hunting for?
urban portal
nah
as i said prot has a hard time reaching that number
lemme find some numbers to back my statement up
strong forum
And thats just the 155 version
The 233 is like 3200 or smth like that
If not higher
sick sentinel
155 doesnt exist btw just wowhead things it is 226 or 233HM
strong forum
Ik
strong forum
It's going to be a meta trinket in 9.2 I reckon
strong forum
Ye it gets 3x+ value from bdks
For dmg output
But defensively it's still a very strong trinket
sick sentinel
DoS for blood is just trting to survive the first 2 packs tbh
sick sentinel
No issue there as prot
urban portal
theres so much magic damage flowing
idk how you are this much of a pumper
are your dps just god kickers
strong forum
Pwar is the weakest tank for those packs
urban portal
swirlies, phys, magic, everything
sick sentinel
Just put out 3 times 20k dps on those packs amd they melt
urban portal
ok how is that related to prot
sick sentinel
Works tho haha and i also put out an avarage of 15to 20k on these packs
strong forum
That's expected
urban portal
but that doesnt make prot easy to tank those with
sick sentinel
True
sick sentinel
But prot has way higher base defensives as bdk who can get globalled without cd’s
mellow gorge
Prot has physical defensive, but that warlord slap hards, 2nd pack has magic tank buster and magic aoe, prot doesn't have alot of magic defensive
Oh and first pack has lotus flower magic aswell
urban portal
Yeah so how is prot the best in this situation
sick sentinel
Not saying the best
mellow gorge
Prot struggles in first 2 pack always
sick sentinel
Just easier for me
urban portal
Clearly you are just too good
Not as good as the 2700 io guy who asked us how to get into 2800 tho
urban portal
Not an easy pack
karmic stream
use defensives on 1st then use speed pot to run from second lol
strong forum
blazing condor
i remember doing CM in MoP and thinking having invis pots and stuff was so odd
felt like i was an elite player
jagged pier
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fierce juniper
maybe he just fell asleep on his alien keyboard
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blazing condor
it's all fun and games until they hit you with the $pb
jagged pier
blazing condor
battle of wits.mp4
strong forum
yeah getting a new personal best is a serious thing
mellow gorge
What does the $pb do?
ionic fern
Bans.
mellow gorge
Ah
blazing condor
pb these nuts
strong forum
quite selfexplanatory
mellow gorge
Disappointed its not !execute :(
sweet summit
thought it was purge ban
blazing condor
purge these nuts
sweet summit
cloudburst totem my ass
mellow gorge
Bruhe
hollow sun
Hey guys, do you play wow by yourself? I mean, if you are without a group of friends or a reliable guild, do you actually enjoy pugging just for the sake of progressing keys? I haven't opened wow in a month, and after doing a few keys it just feels pointless
strong forum
i dont pug
ever
i rather dont play wow than play with people i dont know are capable or i just dont know
hollow sun
Yeah, it's just that somehow I am still hooked to the seasonal achievements even though I am not playing anymore. And doing them without friends feels like archieving something but it loses its charm after a few minutes. If they bring trasmogs to mythic plus rewards it will be sadge 
strong forum
for me its like this, seasonal achievements are only relevant to people who barely get them, or barely not get them
the 0.1% m+ score title sounds neat, but takes so much fucking effort and time to just play the keys so i wont bother
hollow sun
Yeah, but somehow it feels good
Ofc I won't get the mythic plus title, but if they introduce trasmogs for doing 23s it would be tempting
strong forum
it would give a reason
if its a good mog, i might consider subbing for it
and knock it out in a few wekks
sick sentinel
Hey guys, do you play wow by yourself? I mean, if you are without a group of fri...
that's fine, just have to find your on reason and meaning to play
jagged pier
Hey guys, do you play wow by yourself? I mean, if you are without a group of fri...
I pretty much only pug and i hate it after getting 20s i baiscally stopped doing keys
sick sentinel
tropic gorge
haha
holy shit i need that
just finished a pf17 with 5m 57s to spare
no super big or insane pulls (obviously with this weeks afix), but we never stopped until the last boss
sick sentinel
that's pretty good actually yeah
tropic gorge
some weeks i'll try to do the big mega, aoe everything down pulls. it works quite often. but on weeks like this week, i like to fast, smaller packs
ive had better luck in pug groups doing like that, instead of pound everything down
mellow gorge
Imagine not chain pulling on bolstering week lamaeo
And then wiping to a pack that has 10 stacks
Lameo
sick sentinel
bolster getting the giga nerf soon though
only lasts 20 seconds now instead of forever
if it refreshes with each death, it may still last for ever if you get it to 1s refresh, repeat
that'd be terrible if it was on some huge elite still
tropic gorge
lol
yeah the nerfs to the affixes are okay in my eyes
they arent super big nerfs that mean "you can now beat it"
had a pala tank last night that aparently forgot about it, or reallyy over estimated the groups dps. ran pf with him, he pulled half the slimes and one big dude. by the time the slimes were dead, big dude was bigger than my screen and had over 430k hp at like 45%
it was madness
pulling a bunch of slimes can work, but not with the big dudes lol
sick sentinel
paladin has baby sitter interupt shield, random burst damage, bubble and can block spells and can self heal for mana
i don't want to hear about paladin lol
crude notch
Self heal for mana. That’s what a take
Normally people don’t put that in the “op things” category.
tropic gorge
i like their final stand talent. that is super powerful imo
i finally got the time walking mount from pandaria. 5000 badges. took me fucking years to get
mellow gorge
paladin has baby sitter interupt shield, random burst damage, bubble and can blo...
Palla can do all that but one hit and they drop to 50% go lol
ebon geyser
robust rover
just finished a pf17 with 5m 57s to spare
I'm nearly to 17's again on my PWar coming from 18/19's on the BDK. For your PF routes, do you invis skip the start? Do you pull the red slime to first boss on Fort? Just curious as you had so much spare time I am seeing what might help with my route optimization.
tropic gorge
i pull through to the first boss. however today someone asked if we would skip, i didnt know that was a thing. id like to try it. where do you pull extras at along the way?
tropic gorge
same
strong forum
ever
tropic gorge
the first few packs arent difficult imo
gotta interupt and stun shit, but that aint hard
strong forum
people also sometimes just invis skip to get different CD timings
and kill first part anyway
tropic gorge
oooo
robust rover
i pull through to the first boss. however today someone asked if we would skip, ...
I pulled extra after first boss (to the left) and then picked up a little extra before 3rd boss
robust rover
gotta interupt and stun shit, but that aint hard
Yeh I think my recent groups just have sucked. Seemed like random deaths for no reason.
Then they agro on the run back somehow (IDK WHAT)
tropic gorge
lmao last night someone agro'd that flying roc at the start and kept running. when it got to us, it brought a lot of riends
the group rage quit after that
sick sentinel
but ive never invis skipped in PF
we invisd to first boss pf12 and ten healer died to ???? not sure even after review footage, druid didn't rez and now its 11 dos
pug shenanigans
hollow sun
Invis skip in a 12?
You are way more likely to finish they key if you do not try to skip anything fancy in that range of keys
jagged pier
i just pressed w pugging 20s
sick sentinel
Invis skip in a 12?<:copium:839076283467431956>
we had a 244 rogue in the qeue and he waited a while
i saw the MDT route and i figured give it a go
but, as i said, priest healer died to some mystery thing and we told druid to res, priest release and rogue stealthed priest back but it all went to shit
k, i see what went wrong, sorta, healer ran out of mana, investigating why now
mighty cairn
with the changes to sinful surge will ventyr prot warrior have rly good single target dps in raid?
i think that can be our new niche
ebon geyser
paladin 80 in renown, cant wait for nov 2
jagged pier
with the changes to sinful surge will ventyr prot warrior have rly good single t...
nope
mighty cairn
i see what kind of other class tuning is expected for 9.1.5
strong forum
Nothing
Lol
Dead patch
And yeah, sinful surge leggo will not do any good for our dps over other covenants
The legendary is now just "not entirely trash and absolutely useless"
minor hazel
Just a N Raider in Arms but trying to expand to cross spec in Prot as well, have pugged with a few patient teams in N, got mauled in one in H...is there value in just queuing LFRs in Tank for reps and experience? You know how those go, minimal communication with the other tank and always a different toon. Thanks in advance!
strong forum
It let's you see the fight from a different perspective, so I guess it is helpful.
In SODs case it's even that lfr, normal and heroic are almost exactly the same
Only the numbers are bigger
minor hazel
BTW, our guild team has a solid pair...normally DPS for them.
Yeah Tarragrue was just another soak...but the Eye has the extra add and that death beam moves a lot faster. Lol. Haven't seen H higher than those two.
strong forum
I couldn't honestly tell you what the actual differences are
Feels all the same to me
I wouldn't call an extra add anything relevant
Or death beam moving faster
urban portal
i guess if you are in a shitty pug group
add comes down on the phase
so one tank has to tank both
and if you arent experienced it could hurt
strong forum
Isnt that standard?
urban portal
if the group is really shit then the add doesnt die in time
strong forum
Free pad
A great resource to check for tank specific stuff is tanknotes.com
Has everything a boss listed neatly written up in text form
With strategies and positions listed aswell
minor hazel
Yeah..well that was maybe my 10th or 12th tank raid..may just find another and pair it on LFR, so at least we're in Disc. May work better as a consistent duo.
Will check out tank notes. Thanks! 👍🏼
urban portal
yeah if you have a friend who can tank
just host your own group
take some pumper healers
you can probably go until fatescribe just by following dbm
ebon geyser
i see what kind of other class tuning is expected for 9.1.5
9.1.5 is a bandaid patch, is only for mog and mount patch .
strong forum
It's literally the "should've happened in beta" patch
ebon geyser
yep, i mean wow will go big brain when they do the
- Everything account wide.
when i see those words i probably will cry
urban portal
Gear is now account wide
acoustic fjord
Accounts are account wide
acoustic fjord
We, the players, were too busy harassing the women in the blizzard workplace.
sick sentinel
i never have, but what is the purpose that we don't take dripping fang, broken mirror, brand, skull and i'd say horn, but ms on engage is meh
(m+ LT. drops)
ivory coral
You take broken mirror sometimes, like in halls where magic damage is heavy and the dot from last boss trucks
sick sentinel
can i add in information about mobs and spells they cast since it never got added (plater)
sick sentinel
For prot warriors, how do you best manage when enemies spread out/refuse to follow you? And taunts aren't enough? Particularly with casters, I've got a few examples I can think of that are kind of challenging for me.
teal swift
A great resource to check for tank specific stuff is tanknotes.com
With sunnier fucking kff
Tldr tank notes is best I got
Kinda wish someone would continue sunniers art of war
restive ice
For prot warriors, how do you best manage when enemies spread out/refuse to foll...
Just like any tank you try to los them around some kind of corner or you move on top of them instead
This is assuming you can't kick them into melee
You're probably thinking of something like scribes in sd or hurler guys in spires , ranged mobs that don't have an interruptable cast
sick sentinel
You're probably thinking of something like scribes in sd or hurler guys in spire...
Love that you picked up on the hurler guys, but yeah, I guess after the fact I've realised that a spear may be good at first, but after a while they spread out and I don't think it has to do with aggro. Or if I'm doing something wrong, I'm missing it. But would trying to LoS them work? I didn't think about that hm
sick sentinel
Just like any tank you try to los them around some kind of corner or you move on...
I also was thinking of Globrog and his two minis before as well, and a few casters in DOS.
blazing condor
Los is your friend
Usually everybody knows to los the hurlers to stack them up downstairs
Then you can ring of frost or do other things to keep them there
Spear works
Then if it gets super spread out i just go upstairs and los them all back there
sick sentinel
That's super helpful
The other one I struggle with in DOS is the casters, trying to get them to the urn.
In the inner ring
blazing condor
You can los them on the stairs behind the urn if needed
But its not necessary you can interrupt the shadowcore dude and the other people usually follow
obtuse hinge
I have been volunteered to switch to prot from my bear tank for my guilds mythic raid. So far we are at 4/10. I am convinced i wont have any issues with tara, nine and nerzuhl. But eye keeps me worried. The intermission phases are really demanding on my selfhealing. Im pumping like 6k hps as bear, even outhealing some healers. On warrior it is highly unlikely i will get up to these numbers. So do you have any advice on how to handle eye and the intermission in particular on warrior? Thanks for your support
jagged pier
it really doesnt hurt that much,
proud niche
might be a dumb question but is it worth using an agility weapon if it's a 54 ilvl upgrade
ivory coral
Never
jagged pier
if its the one from painsmith its not avtually that bad in M+ TC procs the damage thing on it @ivory coral
proud niche
Never
why not?
I lose like 18 strength out of 950
but I get about 40 secondary stats and 12.5 weapon dps
(plus an active in this case)
sick sentinel
What's the best guide to follow for SoD for prot warriors?
I've not yet run it and I'm nervous ;___;
mellow gorge
My healer hates me
Smh, what did you do this time yuzu?
mellow gorge
What's the best guide to follow for SoD for prot warriors?
Depends, SoD bosses or packs?
teal swift
Smh, what did you do this time yuzu?
Confessed
mellow gorge
Ah thats not bad
mellow gorge
Thought it'd be worse
Like pulling right at the end of a pack with bolstering
Twice
teal swift
I also got weird and over protective and jealous
mellow gorge
I also got weird and over protective and jealous
I mean, you are a prot warrior ahahahaaaaaaaaa
teal swift
I get it
But still, don't fall for your hesler
Then get friendzoned and rejected
Lol
mellow gorge
Lol, id fall off a cliff instead of sticking with my healer
teal swift
Unlike my pharmacist I can't just replace.
mellow gorge
Damn bastard keeps getting me killed
And ye fair enough
Healer is meant to heal you, not give affection
jagged pier
What's the best guide to follow for SoD for prot warriors?
just read tanknotes
wraith surge
hi guys, trying to tank again on my prot war but im kinda struggling on certain pulls
can some1 check this log and tell me if im doing some big mistakes?
btw i think that im kinda overgeared for a 16
blazing condor
Block uptime could be better. It's not bad but since you're running reprisal you should be able to get over 80% blocked. You should also try and get more casts per minute. You're kinda low on shield slam and casts in general. That's gonna cost you a bunch of rage which translates into damage/defensives.
Talent-wise you're running Booming Voice and Bolster which i wouldn't recommend since you play reprisal. Best Served Cold will make better use out of reprisal and the Reprisal effect gives you enough extra shield block so Bolster is redundant. You should swap it to Anger Management instead which provides more damage/rage as well as shield walls which help you defensively
I would also argue that running splintered heart of al'ar is kind of unnecessary but that's more up to you
maybe there are more things to check that some better log-people can tell you, that's just kind of what i saw at first glance @wraith surge
wraith surge
mhhh ok i see, thanks
man its always the same issue, even in s1 i was lacking casts per minute, i feel like im always pressing my shit
and imma change those as well, ty!
blazing condor
One last thing is to use intervene more since you want to procc reprisal off of it
looked like you had quite low casts of that spell in particular
intervene gives you rage, shield block and revenge which is free casts just from that
sick sentinel
tip: i like to use intervene with a @mouseover macro. So i dont have to target teamplayer and stay on enemytarget.
tropic gorge
Without a mouse over macro for it, you can miss the chance to use it and get shit on. I've learned that the hard way lol
sick sentinel
i figured out why no de other side spells in my addon, i have to run it so they can cast it so i can set options for it
it has to see the spells go off
crude notch
plush atlas
My healer hates me
I would never hate Uwuzu
also I think you forgot I'm also a part of this discord hun 😉
restive ice
uneven river
Depends on key level and your group comp
plush tendon
boys what would you do this week on TOP?
Depends on key level. Up until +20 you can time every key with a basic 'Press W' route. In this case, it would probably be best to just pull the front 4 at the start or even go for a 3-1-then boss strat depending if you have a enrage dispel. You might lose a minute or two in time, but at least you wont rip the key
violet violet
Does anyone know what kind of damage matrix does overall in a key on average? Phial does ~450k. Debating on which I’d like to use
plush tendon
Damage Matrix does very good damage; I only have it on my DK but it does about 8% overall for me
It also has a defensive portion to it
violet violet
Dang thanks dude! Phial is around 4% for me in comparison
Right, the defensive portion makes it a lot more valuable than just the damage value from phial. I just haven’t gotten the matrix yet to test side by side
blissful isle
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Damage Matrix does very good damage; I only have it on my DK but it does about 8...
it depends heavily on your own dmg, you should compare the dps of matrix instead of % or overall dmg
plush tendon
it depends heavily on your own dmg, you should compare the dps of matrix instead...
I was just going off from what I remember; and yea, its on my BDK so you know.... DK damage lel
violet violet
Thanks yeah phial does considerably more damage then
strong forum
Not reaaaally
Phial does like 250-300 dps
Matrix is a bit rng but it's 200-350 dps
and hps
It's just that phial is 100% consistent
unkempt palm
The other one I struggle with in DOS is the casters, trying to get them to the u...
Was watching plka the other day and he would be on the urn side of the packs and LoS at the bottom of the latter well that leads up to Ardenweald he hid behind the stair rail the very bottom of it is higher than the rest of the ledge, hopefully that made sense lol
blazing condor
yeah that's kinda what ive done as well
LOS them on the stairs that go to ardenweald
but it all fills the same purpose
sick sentinel
Was watching plka the other day and he would be on the urn side of the packs and...
I ran it last night and basically after clearing the small raptor on the left side, I just pulled the casters, once I interrupt the deathspeaker they seem a little more willing to move. Idk if that was luck but they moved pretty much directly to the urn. If that fails I'll try your way. Thanks for responding though.
lofty widget
is it worth dropping 6 ilvl for a 5th domination socket in m+?
teal swift
Yes
patent osprey
is it worth dropping 6 ilvl for a 5th domination socket in m+?
mmm actually debatable. So your 5th do socket is usually unholy aura or leech. and depends on your key level. But if your don't need the tiny amount of survivability it gives u, u can run no 5th Dom socket
IN M+
if it's raid 5th socket is worth it
mellow gorge
It's funny that DoS is in a love hate relation ship with me
first time I tanked it, i depleted it at 16, got scale
now i did it again at 16, depleted it as dps, got the crystal trinket
it's a lucky curse
patent osprey
It's funny that DoS is in a love hate relation ship with me
Depending on Affix Dos is the MOST CURSED DUNGEON but I'm kinda into it
mellow gorge
DoS is always cursed.
vast geyser
At least you know whether you're gonna brick it in 15mins
SD 1st 10mins, Mists 1st 10mins
strong forum
Depending on Affix Dos is the MOST CURSED DUNGEON but I'm kinda into it
so that's your kink huh
fallow bone
Is anyone using necrolord cov as prot? It seems like it would be pretty good. I’m curious as to if it would be a good choice for someone playing Prot/arms
mellow gorge
it seems good if you can coordinate ye
prot wise
spear of bastion/phial is a bit too handy to lose
arms wise, you stick to kyrian due to warbreaker + spear lineup
- mastery on arms is not as important as crit
fallow bone
Okay, yeah I’ve been seeing Kyrian is the way to go everywhere, but trying to be different haha. I am DI Dwarf so phial doesn’t have as much of an impact on me
mellow gorge
I mean, necrolord is perfectly viable, if you want to give it a go then why not? though it's probably better on prot than it is on arms most likely
fallow bone
Yeah maybe I’ll give it a shot. Thanks for the info!
patent osprey
necrolord is just not fun. It's viable but you lose any additional movement/kiting assistance and using banner just never ever works how you want it. Healer will get it 50% of the time and melee usually don't benefit too much from mastery other than fury warrior so it's usually wasted on them
it's really good with big cd burst classes like mage/boomy but hardly ever goes on them. Also if pugging it's a nightmare because you'll see their cd up, hit banner and then they will hold their cd for the duration of banner
fallow bone
Yeah that was only thing I was worried about was that when it comes down to who is getting the buff would be wonky
mellow gorge
A shame they didn't think to determine who gets the buff
fallow bone
I mean in a way I guess they did, but it’s just way more painful than it should be
mellow gorge
As in gives us the option to pinpoint which player gets it
Before using
Like a mini option bar
fallow bone
Why did they have to make kyrian so good lol
urban portal
As in gives us the option to pinpoint which player gets it
The easiest way is to make it affect whole party/raid group
And adjust values accordingly
mellow bridge
Why did they have to make kyrian so good lol
you can do NF as well
just as good as kyrian pretty much
runic sparrow
Is anyone using necrolord cov as prot? It seems like it would be pretty good. I’...
yes, necrolord is the #1 single target dps covenant and pretty fun to play with the glory legendary
dark lark
I was NF for Painsmith prog, killed him and went back to Kyrian and I already miss soulshape :/
ebon geyser
Something that I'm confused, if my pally is 80 can I go straight to 80 on my warrior
cloud dagger
the item is to 40 renown i believe
cloud dagger
haha nah 80 renown to buy the item to boost to 40 renown
cloud dagger
2 weeks is plenty to get to 80
ebon geyser
I mean if they were guaranteed in heroics
cloud dagger
as annoying as it is farming torg and doing callings is best but torg farm is n=mind numbing
jovial mesa
as annoying as it is farming torg and doing callings is best but torg farm is n=...
true did that the other day to switch to kyrian it felt like the jailer was chipping away my soul
ebon geyser
What u mean torghast
cloud dagger
Run torghast and at the end you get renown
oblique garnet
and then in 9.1.5 I'll play it all!
Even venthyr? 
mellow gorge
Gib root
jagged pier
join his discord 
brittle owl
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brittle owl
i didn't know you where a shill jakey boi
strong forum
Yeah I just got a dragon lore?! So lucky!
jagged pier
strong forum
And I'm in no way shape or form affiliated with it! 🧢
jagged pier
blazing condor
Maybe if i name my next character Plka cslottogambledragon.gamer maybe i’ll get more drops
brittle owl
i hate it when scam bots spam me with phishing loto sites. that's why i only use trusted sites that scan for giveaways like freenitro dot com!
use code nitroscam to skip the line!
sweet summit
use code shut up
brittle owl
shut up weeb
sweet summit
jagged pier
why scam sites wheres the sight that lets me find fit goth girls with thick thighs in my area
sweet summit
have you tried going outside for once
brittle owl
fit goth girls don't go outside
they teleport between the gym and wherever they do their cam show
sweet summit
jagged pier
restive ice
<:sadge:820202363359854633>
restive ice
🗞️
restive ice
autumn pendant
When not posting copium ofc
restive ice
I threaten you with wasted cat
sweet summit
restive ice
jagged pier
mellow gorge
k e t
sweet summit
a m i n e
strong forum
they teleport between the gym and wherever they do their cam show
Nice
teal swift
What do you guys do for keys?
Do you play purely in pugs?
Do you only group with friends?
strong forum
Loot
No
Yes
teal swift
Do you think it's possible to just pug to all portals?
jagged pier
pug but i also dont do keys anymore because the only upgrades i can get are from guardian KT and slyv mythic so zero need for me to do keys
sweet summit
definitely @teal swift
jagged pier
Do you think it's possible to just pug to all portals?
thats how i did them
sweet summit
didn't ask
teal swift
I'm worried, that without my healer I'll be nothing. But
brittle owl
didn't ask
ehm, excuse me, you have no right to tell me to shut up
teal swift
I still need to get my 20s even if they yeet me
brittle owl
weeb
mellow bridge
Do you think it's possible to just pug to all portals?
I've done full pug no voice 25 before
So yep
You def can
jagged pier
I've done full pug no voice 25 before
🤢
brittle owl
there is a catch with pugging "high keys"
brittle owl
after a certain keylevel pugs start getting more competent
sweet summit
make me
teal swift
NW is the important one
ionic plank
and the easiest :)
teal swift
Fuckers got a mount
mellow bridge
Be kyrian and you can port there anyway
strong forum
The absolute horror
brittle owl
also @sweet summit made you shut up 
sweet summit
when can i get raid portal
brittle owl
fuck
sweet summit
tired of killing myself
strong forum
- hearthstone + dala stone + the 400 cloaks + vulpera racial + garrison stone
ionic plank
kill myself every raid night
strong forum
when can i get raid portal
Vulpera
ionic plank
^
brittle owl
what does the vulp racial do again
strong forum
Vulpera gets a custom hearthstone
brittle owl
that's actually
sweet summit
no
brittle owl
fucking insane
sweet summit
die vulpera die
brittle owl
legit one of the best racials
strong forum
It is
ionic plank
idk I think goblin jump is bis racial
brittle owl
can live without gobbo jump
ionic plank
goblin jumping to the treasure outside keepers respite from the edge
brittle owl
just play better
ionic plank
makes it bis
brittle owl
it's very easy
gobbo jump is only really relevant in actual content, at a certain level, outside of which, just playing better with your positioning negates the need
having a tp to zoom across the map makes the game less tedious
infinite value
mellow gorge
Heroic leap having 3 charges should be baselined smh smh
sweet summit
ionic plank
barbarian honor talent baseline smh
mellow gorge
The wall baseline
brittle owl
the only use for gobbo jump that makes it absolutely worth
is kamikaze-ing your raid on painsmith
teal swift
engi + all 20s portals + portal to oribos in bastion
I want a 4th hearthstone.
Covenant hearthstone plz
ionic plank
teal swift
But it doesn't take you there
Next xpac there won't be ez travel
So nonone will go there anymore
T.T
sweet summit
why would anyone go there tho
mellow gorge
Yeah lol
What reason would you want to go back to Oribos in New expac
Tho I wonder what will the new expac be
sweet summit
if i wanted to go somewhere from previous xpac i'd go to skyhold
sweet summit
teal swift
What reason would you want to go back to Oribos in New expac
Getting to torghast
ionic plank
sweet summit
jagged pier
mellow bridge
strong forum
tropic gorge
So, over the weekend running 7/10 heroic and quite a few m+ clears I started looking at my per run performance from details!.
My highest shield block aura uptime was reported at 50 percent.
I've noticed a few things, as always your milage may vary:
The last stand talent was worth 5 or so percent on my block up time. Without reprisal, I am unable to get over 50 percent uptime. Rolling 2 or 3 (depending on haste) blocks into last stand and a full block cd reset is good, at least for me to push 50 percent.
tropic gorge
Reprisal should be crafted for me next week. I need to break down a couple old shits for mats
If I shouldn't be looking at up time why does everyone talk about the uptime reprisal grants us.
jagged pier
we talk about 'effective uptime' i.e blocked hits on logs
tropic gorge
Anyway. I think with reprisal I should be able to push really close to 100 percent. 100 probably isn't possible, but getting to 50 makes me pleased.
I wish the damn patch was tomorrow. I need freaking ash for max ilvl reprisal, and to remake my elisian might my dumbass out the wrong writts on
brittle owl
looking at details for defensive usage insight is probably one of the biggest traps you can fall into
jagged pier
because
- u can have the buff up and kiting so u are wasting it but it shows as uptime
- the boss is casting for 5 seconds
and u use it
shows as uptime
brittle owl
you're looking at it as a function of time
instead of looking at it as a function of hits recieved
jagged pier
- any other case were u have the buff up in combat
u can have 50% uptime on a boss fight in details and not block anything
jagged pier
logs
brittle owl
logs
strong forum
Blogs
brittle owl
no 🗞️
tropic gorge
OK, I just started using the option in dmb to auto enable logs, and I'm now uploading to wow logs. After I get a few days worth I'll start looking through to see where I can improve
brittle owl
most bosses have a 1.5s swing timer
some have a 2 s swing and very rare ones have a 2.5 sec swing
for most bosses optimal SB use means blocking ~4 autos with it (while not sacrificing uptime vs a boss special)
if every time you press SB you block 4 white hits, then that's 99% of your usage optimization
tropic gorge
In my defense with my incorrect assessment above: I wasn't using block just to push my percent higher. So on that front st least I'm not cheesing it
And yeah I try not to use it when I don't need it. I'm getting better about not panic hitting block lol
(that's my hardest habit to break)
mellow gorge
there is no such thing as not needing shield block
mellow gorge
warrior panic buttons?
rallying cry is about it
even then that won't save you for more than 1 second lol
brittle owl
if you dip <10% for more than 2 seconds, 9 times out of 10 you dead
mellow gorge
unless your healer is literally god's hand
tropic gorge
I know one that is the hand of god
brittle owl
you mean unless they waste a cd to save your sorry ass
tropic gorge
Lol
mellow gorge
you mean unless they waste a cd to save your sorry ass
yeah, what else is the healer for smh
i'm not gonna heal my own ass now am i?
bright flax
Id say warrior has no panic btns because they dont need them?
mellow gorge
true true
brittle owl
best panic button
mellow gorge
yknow i wonder
bright flax
Thats the rage btn
mellow gorge
why don't they give us howl
mellow gorge
Thats the rage btn
generates rage, so it's useful 👍
if prot had howl instead of hamstring, it'd be so much better
lime urchin
Maim?
mellow gorge
hamstring*
bright flax
Im thinking of randomizing talents and see how low I get with my key
tropic gorge
That would be fun
mellow gorge
run dragon roar
tropic gorge
Do a random build of the worst talents and see how it goes
bright flax
But really really afraid of the flaming Ill get from some chad warrior
mellow gorge
you don't care lol
tropic gorge
Lmao fuck em. So it anyways
tropic gorge
I miss big boy thunder clap
bright flax
Ill even random on a lego. Got enough SA to spare for 190s
mellow gorge
man i really want to make an arms legendary
but i don't have enough soul cinders
to spare for reprisal
tropic gorge
For a really good time run Elysian might as prot
Actually. That might be a lot of fun
mellow gorge
idk
jagged pier
not really
mellow gorge
the crit dmg increase doens't sound as useful
if it were crit chance for prot
that'd be more useful
tropic gorge
Indeed. But for a meme build!
bright flax
Its bursty fun if you have decent crit, not 12% like me
tropic gorge
Sorta off topic: I wish we had war banner mogs to carry with us
tropic gorge
With custom icons for shit. I'd love a banner with iron forge on it
ocean reef
but i don't have enough soul cinders
You dont need to make a 262 legendary immediately. Having a 235 is perfectly fine
jagged pier
having a 195 one is better than a 265 wall in m+ tbh
bright flax
I randomized the talents, not as exciting as I expected
so the only "new" thing is impending victory
the rest is very workable
strong forum
:haha:
strong forum
It does decent hps if you use it on CD
mellow gorge
Only downside is you need killcredit
strong forum
Between impending uses you are literally so helpless, it hurts
mellow gorge
Never surrender sounds like a better option ngl
strong forum
No
jagged pier
no
strong forum
Impending is better than never surrender
mellow gorge
Damn
strong forum
But it still feels like ass to play compared to indom
bright flax
I've inflated my ilvl as I could for main stat stack, only keeping aegis and matrix
mellow gorge
Ngl kinda wish impending wasn't on the same row as indomitable
mellow gorge
It do be b i g
bright flax
so I'm only taking the dmg shards with me
now I just gotta find a group for HoA 19 :>
mellow gorge
Oh lord
bright flax
ye zeds a bit shitty compared to cor
bright flax
Only going with 3, taking the 252 chest over the 226
bright flax
oh no sorry I was confusing the shards ignore what I said
I'm taking dyz cor and bek
mellow gorge
Pffft imagine running sockets lol
Doing raiding for mythic gear smh
what's next? doing PvP for mythic gear? fpffpft
tropic gorge
Sockets and enchanted gear is for try hards. Real players run without
What's a few percent between friends aye
ionic plank
bright flax
if I wasn't memeing I'd go with 5 shards, lurkers around pls listen to the decent players around here, not me
jagged pier
bright flax
considering how I hate to tank HoA if I get past 1st pull I'll consider this a success
and its over
8 mins
I still count it as a success for what I said before. Shards wiped the floor with us
impeding victory is the closest we have a panic btn, that thing healed a ton
brittle owl
you mispelled healthstone
tropic gorge
And phial
restive ice
Yeah they are
tropic gorge
Aegis is so good. I still don't have a damn heroic version
Kinda hoping ones in my vault
restive ice
What is "panic button"
jagged pier
we dont have a panic button
restive ice
Do you just randomly press scale for damage ?
jagged pier
u should always be plannig a head
restive ice
Do you just send aegis on cd ?
jagged pier
and use what u have accordingly
restive ice
Do you just wall on cd no matter what's happenning ?
jagged pier
if u waste any of thoughs for when u drop low u have then lost the reason to us it
tropic gorge
Lol
jagged pier
if u dont need wall for the next 2 mins till a big pull then u use wall
restive ice
If you plan ahead that well you'll never be in a situation where you'll need to click a panic button
jagged pier
we are all about mitigating the damage
bright flax
I misplayed quite a bit defensively. Forgot I don't have the auto-phial, definitely could have done better for myself
jagged pier
if u arent using your tools to mitigate that damage your playing the class wrong
restive ice
I don't understand what you're trying to say here actually
jagged pier
as a prot warrior u should never spike low
u should never panic
your hp should reduce slowly over time
as we dont heal back the damage we take
u should always being looking for ways to mitigate
if u hold one to x until u drop low from spike damage
restive ice
Okay
jagged pier
you wasted the use
restive ice
So
jagged pier
u should never take spike damage
jagged pier
^^
jagged pier
or shockwave stack
brittle owl
next question
tropic gorge
Either way, you'll get blamed for your death
restive ice
Sorry I guess you're all just perfect players 😔
brittle owl
just spell reflect
restive ice
I think I'm just bad sorry
bright flax
you should know in advance what cds you need for a pull and use them early not late
brittle owl
otherwise, shockwave interrupt for all 3, spell reflect 1, interrupt 1 yourself
ancient reef
i jsut crafted reprisal
brittle owl
that's aprox 10 seconds of just taking 2 spells, one after the other, in a staggered fashion
you can spice it up and intimidating shout them for another pseudo interrupt
if you feelin frisky
jagged pier
prot plays completely differently to other tanks u actually should activly be using your cds as part of your rotation
tropic gorge
Fear is great to interupt casting
restive ice
Gods I kneel 🧎♂️
tropic gorge
I didn't use fear for a long while because it was kinda bad. But it's legit viable
jagged pier
use fear its insane
restive ice
Do you have a vod of you playing?
I m curious now
I'd like to look at it and see what I do wrong
brittle owl
jakey has plenty of content
restive ice
Can you link me?
brittle owl
so does @strong forum
restive ice
Okay I just want to see you consistently use all your cds perfectly while controlling mobs perfectly and never spiking low to damage
Because that sounds impressive
To me at least
brittle owl
?
restive ice
?
jagged pier
right let me try and explain better
lets just take the case of SW
that is a 1:30 min CD
tropic gorge
Tone not Trasfering to text makes a lot of suggestions appear to be from a "I know it all position". It's important to try to keep yourself from reading others advices as being derogatory
strong forum
Henlo who ping
restive ice
Being realistic with how you play is a better way to improve than to imagine how you'd perfectly react to something
brittle owl
@strong forum
mellow bridge
hehe get pinged nome
brittle owl
that's the thing though epsilonee
mellow bridge
restive ice
"We have no panic button" and "you play the class wrong if ..."
brittle owl
this isn't a reactionary class
restive ice
Is some weird ass shit
jagged pier
we dont have panic buttons that isnt how the class is played
brittle owl
and with a reasonable amount of repetition you can realistically anticipate 80% of shit
restive ice
Oh man
jagged pier
u are supposed to plan ahead to stop the spikes
restive ice
Okay I understand what you mean now sorry :)
strong forum
The only panic button any tank has
mellow bridge
but when I go into a raid fight I basically already know how I'm gonna be using my stuff
brittle owl
and bubble taunt
strong forum
that's it
mellow bridge
and in M+ I can basically tell you what CDs I need for every pull
strong forum
Bubble taunt is actually also used for mechanics
brittle owl
but both are better used within a planned setting
strong forum
To fill gaps
mellow bridge
obv I still fuck up and misuse stuff etc
but if youre playing without a plan for your cds
youre just playing suboptimally
strong forum
Hey that's me
brittle owl
i mean
strong forum
I know what hurts, so I use stuff accordingly
brittle owl
"playing without a plan" is exagerated
brittle owl
you don't need to plan too much in most keylevels
mellow bridge
well obv I dont fully plan my stuff for shit like remnant or co
just send it at w/e
or dont
doesnt matter lmao
restive ice
"Okay so this pull I'll aegis , next one has a lot of dogs so probs wall, next pull is kinda big so I'll have to scale for aggro most likely"
brittle owl
just be aware of cadence of pulls and what mobs do
strong forum
"Okay so this pull I'll aegis , next one has a lot of dogs so probs wall, next p...
Yes
strong forum
That's exactly
brittle owl
p much
strong forum
How you use it
mellow bridge
but for stuff like guardian or sylv you should have a plan somewhat at least
restive ice
Because if this works out for you every single time
strong forum
That is exactly what's meant
brittle owl
it's half the equation though
restive ice
And you don't end up having to commit shit
jagged pier
but for stuff like guardian or sylv you should have a plan somewhat at least
what do u mean just get an external
tropic gorge
Planning for the next pull is always a good idea. Just don't sit on a cd too long
restive ice
Because somethkng happens
mellow bridge
what do u mean just get an external
im too lazy to talk sorry
strong forum
"do I need scale in the next 2 minutes or can I use it here"
restive ice
Then you're actually just god I think
strong forum
That's the logic behind it
restive ice
Or I'm just really bad
strong forum
Same with aegis
restive ice
Unfortunate
jagged pier
same with any cd Nome
jagged pier
do i need it in the next x amount of time
mellow bridge
"Okay so this pull I'll aegis , next one has a lot of dogs so probs wall, next p...
works over 90% of the time for me
jagged pier
no well may as well use it
mellow bridge
🤷♂️
jagged pier
if yes hold it
strong forum
"do I need it soon, or can I use it now/do I need it now"
restive ice
Ok so this pull your healer just stopped healing
strong forum
Shit healer
brittle owl
i mean
restive ice
Yeah true shit healer
strong forum
You don't plan around failure Epsilonee
bright flax
you need to plan for success tho