DoS has a couple pulls at the start, try the slowfall route
#protection
teal swift
mellow gorge
meanwhile i can just meme stuff in mists and still comfortably time it
sick sentinel
mellow gorge
DoS has a couple pulls at the start, try the slowfall route
the first pack is alright, not that bad, 2nd pack however...
teal swift
That's random
sick sentinel
thats the one
teal swift
the first pack is alright, not that bad, 2nd pack however...
Skip first pack with slowfall return with powers
sick sentinel
it's the percentile dps from PW in this discord i think
mellow gorge
I'll try it if i can find a competent mage
sick sentinel
and its saying people at the middle like me are raging about nooo you cant just X (kinda true)
mellow gorge
ye but which pack wiped you
and when you got knocked off, did that pack die?
and also what's that 2nd trinket you have
next to the aegis
plush atlas
and when you got knocked off, did that pack die?
Last platform ghost wing saved with earth ele If I'm remembering the same run
plush tendon
teal swift
Last platform ghost wing saved with earth ele If I'm remembering the same run
You are
💌
mellow gorge
Last platform ghost wing saved with earth ele If I'm remembering the same run
Yeah it's fair if the pack died afterwards, but if you wiped on that pack and all of you had to run back, that's easy roughly 1.5m loss
teal swift
It was a messy run
sick sentinel
teal swift
We had 2 pigs
sick sentinel
this trinket
teal swift
That's not the trinket
mellow gorge
thought it was good like gluttonous spike
teal swift
^
sick sentinel
teal swift
Wtf am I doing wrong in mists
mellow gorge
damn
teal swift
I find it on multiple targets frequently
mellow gorge
But SD feels loose
wanna swap places? i'll give you my easy mists for your easy dos
teal swift
I can't be bothered to use a 2nd onuse rn
teal swift
wanna swap places? i'll give you my easy mists for your easy dos
There are 3 pulls you need to nail in dos
First two pulls
teal swift
And the ardenweld pot pull
sick sentinel
i feel like it might be better for me to try to get 2 good automatic trinkets and 2 good on use ones
teal swift
If you get both of those, key is easier. S1 dos was nightmare fuel
teal swift
Timed it, then like 2 weeks later they added 3 fucking minutes
tropic gorge
I hate dos
sick sentinel
then i can always have a good selection of automatic + some other on use effect
tropic gorge
I think the route is dumb
The dungeon is dumb
Cheesing the last boss with spell reflect is awesome tho
mellow gorge
o ye
sick sentinel
2 on use trinkets is fine in theory, but in practice its dumb
sick sentinel
20s CD on the other one every time
tropic gorge
"oh"
teal swift
So my healer is explaining why our mists are so shit
- We two cycle first boss
- We bring shit dps cause it's "easy"
sick sentinel
and you can never wait for the automatic one to go off and then use second for more controlled dps
teal swift
God bless her soul
ocean reef
Yeah that double phasing of first boss mist is kinda bad on fortified
tropic gorge
Mists can be soul crushing
ocean reef
Should be able to no problem push him in one go
teal swift
Like I'm looking back at what we bring
tropic gorge
The Zelda maze is cool the first few times but my god
teal swift
If I bring hitters we have like 5 minutes left
sick sentinel
"No more fun?" no more fun indeed
ocean reef
It also comes down to if people actually hold their CDs for the burn
teal swift
I need to figure out how to 2* mists
tropic gorge
My easiest mists runs have had big dick dps that can one cycle the first boss. 2 cycles has always cost me the key
mellow gorge
to +2 mists
you gotta burst down the first boss
in one phase
that's 100% for sure
sick sentinel
there is something really soulcrushing about dying to mistweaver boss
tropic gorge
Yuppp
mellow gorge
and then get lucky with the maze rng and get the shortest route
mellow gorge
there is something really soulcrushing about dying to mistweaver boss
pattycake.
sick sentinel
you can practically see the other boss and shes playful
ocean reef
3 month old +2 on a 16 but yeah
sick sentinel
just feels awful to die to her
mellow gorge
i really wish we could spell reflect the pattycake
tropic gorge
I've probably had more wipes to the game girl after the maze than anything else
God me too
sick sentinel
that would make sense since it doesn't hit other players and only targets you
unless pc is an aoe
teal swift
tropic gorge
Oh yeah, can anyone else interupt thst? Or only the tank
ocean reef
Oh my
mellow gorge
you just need a healer warrior
teal swift
But that 249 mage smashed
ocean reef
That warrior with OPC and IQD
tropic gorge
When doing dps on her I can't recall seeing her cast pattycake
mellow gorge
When doing dps on her I can't recall seeing her cast pattycake
I once was too late to interrupt patty cake, had to pop all my defensive, and went down from 70k to 2k HP
ocean reef
It's still cursed but most likely not what they used for the key
tropic gorge
Yeah that shit will fuck you up if it goes off
tropic gorge
Lmao
sick sentinel
i think the worst part about her is if she gets that off, you lose aggro til your safe as though you've died or been bopped and if your stunned in ice its well..
mfw don't see fox and stunned followed immediately by pc
mellow gorge
don't even remind me
had a fox spawn on a dps i didn't see
immediately froze me
and i just watch patty cake cast
and slam me like a truck
tropic gorge
Lol been there
mellow gorge
other than that
2nd boss is easy peasy
i just learnt not to move, even when she has her illusion phase
until after i interrupt patty cake
tropic gorge
Or you fear /Shockwave the fox to try to get away and a hunter goes ham on it
mellow gorge
just freeze it and spare the dps on the boss
tropic gorge
I try to stun or fear and get away from it
mellow gorge
ye that's usually good enough if it spawned on melees
though if a ranged is there and didn't trap it
then kinda their fault
tropic gorge
100 percent
teal swift
who would want spell reflect to actually deal damage?
Temple of Seth says yes
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gJGcVhwu44 me making groups for +13's and depleting vs skyhold talking about 21 being easy AF zero skill any comp
mellow gorge
bruh
they all talk about high keys being easy
until they realise pugs below 15s are bugbrains
and anyone that is pushing high knows how to do it lol
jagged pier
what do u mean below?
mellow gorge
below 20's*
teal swift
I grab like 2300 Io players for 15s
crude notch
lol
jagged pier
what do u mean below 20s?
teal swift
Cause fuck pushing with 1550 andies
strong forum
The thing is, capable players don't do keys below 15 ever
jagged pier
^^
crude notch
Vespa out here thinking that 15s are harder than 25s. 🙂
mellow gorge
Vespa out here thinking that 15s are harder than 25s. 🙂
if the players are bad, even a +2 can be hard
crude notch
There's definitely bugbrains in 25s too
strong forum
^
mellow gorge
aslong as players are wack
entire key is wack 😦
bugbrains in 25 exist, but on a much smaller scale
mellow gorge
i do pug alot
sick sentinel
i just don't understand the drive to do more than whats required and what you get is more or less tangible
mellow gorge
i may be bugbrained
crude notch
am*
jagged pier
time to try mage tower on PTR
mellow gorge
nah
jagged pier
sick sentinel
after a 20 your just going for the high score to try to break the arcade cabinet into reading "anon- score: 9999999999"
is how i see it
crude notch
"Guys I don't get why all these keys I'm in with different pugs are getting depleted all the time"
Common denominator: You
crude notch
It's called paraphrasing
mellow gorge
Well that's still not what i said nor implied
crude notch
If you were good enough to not play with bugbrains, you wouldn't be stuck playing with bugbrains. 🙂
mellow gorge
Well you need to pug to find good people amongst the bugbrains
and then you gather a team and play well
you don't just have a team at the start of the game when you play alone?
sick sentinel
usually if i feel like a group did exceptionally well even in a lower key i'll still mention it at end of run
mellow gorge
yeah exactly
mellow gorge
If you were good enough to not play with bugbrains, you wouldn't be stuck playin...
though you mention that, i'd rather play with bugbrains than elitists
atleast i can reason with bugbrains, an elitist is always right no matter what
sick sentinel
like if shit was dying like it was supposed to and couple ccs here and there don't have to be asked to do shit only 2 deaths whole run, i'll give a commendation for that
and i'll say yeah you guys did good i'd go with you again
mellow gorge
Some people just need more time to get better, you can notice it quite easily
in low keys that is,
and yeah those people might be more open to do higher keys and can do way better than others with experience and knowledge
crude notch
Isn't it elitist to think they NEED to get better?
teal swift
I hate doing a key lower than a 15
crude notch
what if they're perfectly fine with mediocrity ?
teal swift
Literal waste of time
teal swift
what if they're perfectly fine with mediocrity ?
Judge then block.
sick sentinel
best reward you can get is from a 15 though
brittle owl
mellow gorge
"Holier than thou" status
crude notch
Yes exactly
brittle owl
semantic friday in skyhold 
teal swift
Idgaf what happens
crude notch
Isn't it holier than thou to think that people NEED to improve?
teal swift
As long as my healer and I are doin gyhe key togerher
mellow gorge
no
teal swift
I have fun
sick sentinel
you don't get anything beyond score and possibly a teleport, and a garunteed 15-16 key in vault for doing 17+
mellow gorge
not in WoW
crude notch
Why do they NEED to improve?
distant crystal
sick sentinel
it doesn't make your character stronger, doesn't give gear or extra rep
modern brook
Why do they NEED to improve?
Because I have things to do today
mellow gorge
Why do they NEED to improve?
an elitist doesn't think they need to improve, whatever they do is perfection in their own eyes
teal swift
People need to improve.
crude notch
No they don't
teal swift
Yes they do.
brittle owl
🍿
crude notch
It's perfectly fine if someone is okay with being only able to do 10s
There's nothing wrong with that
sick sentinel
people should strive to improve sure
mellow gorge
It's perfectly fine if someone is okay with being only able to do 10s
That's fine, if someone knows their limit it's nothing bad
crude notch
People play video games for entertainment for the most part.
mellow gorge
or is fine with those keys, it's nothing bad
teal swift
Personal growth is an important aspect to life. If you aren't learning and Improving. you best be having a learning disability or be developmentally challenged. And even then I'd push for then to self improve.
tropic gorge
I think it's fine to recognize people need improvement. The difficult part imo is letting them know without them getting offended and pissy
sick sentinel
yes, but there is a hard cap limit to how much you can improve
teal swift
If you're not changing Ang growing. You are not living.
teal swift
yes, but there is a hard cap limit to how much you can improve
I agree.
sick sentinel
you cannot beat literal machine perfection
teal swift
And while it may not be a primary focus.
restive ice
holy shit prot chat is great to read
tropic gorge
But why do anything if you're not trying to get better at it?
crude notch
So you're saying that people aren't allowed to just play the game for the sake of playing a game and that they must always strive to improve at the game?
teal swift
If you don't care to improve at any point. Might as well just grab some crayons, avoid eating them, and colour in their colouring books.
mellow gorge
I disagree with some aspects, for example sure you can push for higher keys, but you can also aim to just play your role better and time a key faster instead of higher
modern brook
you cannot beat literal machine perfection
pretty sure there was a teen titans episode about why this is wrong
sick sentinel
here, just watch and then after try to do a speed run any game, even a m+ key or raid boss try to beat it as fast as possible
there is ALWAYS something you could have done better on, some though pattern or diet you could have used
tropic gorge
Then enjoy it
Just don't get upset if people that don't have the same mindset don't want to do high end content with you
mellow gorge
if you enjoy the game, then there's nothing more to it, you'll be limited in some aspects in a multiplayer game, but you'll be able to do what you want
tropic gorge
Nobody is saying "do t have fun". People are laying out that for some of us, fun is getting better and pushing higher into more difficult stuff
mellow gorge
if you want to get better, however, there you need to improve
brittle owl
maybe you're born with it
sweet summit
brittle owl
maybe it's maybelline
sweet summit
wtf
tropic gorge
Lmao
sweet summit
is going on
brittle owl
shut up weeb
tropic gorge
Friday morning chat!
restive ice
keep going
mellow gorge
we are philosophising
restive ice
sweet summit
brittle owl
let it unravel
sweet summit
unravel.mp3
teal swift
God this cringe fuck
Actually makes this place like 10x more hostile and uncomfortable
crude notch
Nobody is saying "do t have fun". People are laying out that for some of us, fun...
Quite literally people were saying you need to improve to play this game.
teal swift
Can't you like hang out in the druid discord
If you're in this class discord, you should use it to improve your gameplay.
brittle owl
aw shiet
modern brook
chill dude wtf
mellow gorge
yuzu is mad D:
sweet summit
???
plush atlas
If you're in this class discord, you should use it to improve your gameplay.
I like hanging out to spy on uwuzu
brittle owl
shit's going down now
restive ice
I'm in this class discord to worsen my gameplay
mellow gorge
Yuzu is capping on rage
restive ice
get rekt
teal swift
Every time this fucker shows up, we gotta discuss shit no one cares about. Get good.
modern brook
I'm in this class discord to worsen my gameplay
i see u take my advice
crude notch
Who are you talking about?
sweet summit
who is this fucker
brittle owl
💢
mellow gorge
"He could be in this very room!'
restive ice
brittle owl
sick sentinel
restive ice
it's alright bro some people just don't want to improve
you know the saying you can drag a donkey to the river but you can't make it drink
mellow gorge
no
brittle owl
that's
mellow gorge
that's the first time i hear of it
brittle owl
a very obscure saying
restive ice
you can write an essay on how someone should get better and do the man talking to a wall meme
restive ice
but in the end if someone cba they just cba
YO I DID
ezclap bro
you underestimate my hands
brittle owl
clip or it didn't happen
crude notch
what am i reading
mellow gorge
bruhe
restive ice
sweet summit
@autumn pendant
brittle owl
@autumn pendant
sweet summit
🗞️
teal swift
you can write an essay on how someone should get better and do the man talking t...
We should get better
restive ice
pvp 🤢
autumn pendant
Only nice people
sweet summit
no you don't raz
autumn pendant
🙃
sweet summit
🤣
autumn pendant
I miss it though
sick sentinel
i remember ganking people with Twilight dev
brittle owl
brittle owl
no
restive ice
what I want
autumn pendant
Golden rule
restive ice
😳
sick sentinel
i always had WM on when i learned you could TD onto players
brittle owl
if you don't like what i like you're wrong
mellow gorge
nah man
sweet summit
mellow gorge
frost DK
plush atlas
Enjoy what you want
What if what I enjoy involves chains
crude notch
modern brook
What if what I enjoy involves chains
good expac for it then
mellow gorge
What if what I enjoy involves chains
Chains of domination Consent
teal swift
@plush atlas you're cute, maybe I can pass you around to these warrior chads, so they can have a ride. Before we plow some keys.
restive ice
then you can play a hunter and go farm the legendary bow raeshala're
and use the spell wailing arrow
plush atlas
<@201902870230990849> you're cute, maybe I can pass you around to these warrior ...
Plow before a plow sounds good :p
autumn pendant
What if what I enjoy involves chains
Idc
restive ice
to chain your enemies and forcefully silence them 😳
teal swift
And I blow your lock apart with my high powered pneumatic rod
sweet summit
where ergowl
level 1
mellow gorge
force? we don't do that in Blizzard
restive ice
mellow gorge
we say fruit instead
crude notch
uwu
mellow gorge
you know, i think it's rather rude we get hit by mobs without them asking if it's ok to hit us
a popup should always appear before we are hit to see if we are ok with getting hit
crude notch
Okay elitist
teal swift
Two of the best tsnns in world are furries
mellow gorge
tsnns?
sweet summit
teal swift
Tanks
mellow gorge
ah
crude notch
had a stroke
teal swift
Tokaine and Puro
mellow gorge
wait are they?
teal swift
Yeah
restive ice
who
sweet summit
who?
autumn pendant
teal swift
Tokaine and Puro tanked in pma, pma became like tmn, tokaine went to method
brittle owl
@sweet summit i'm holding you accountable for the state of this channel btw
sweet summit
mnm gaming uk
teal swift
My favourite furries
plush atlas
My favourite furries
What about meh
sweet summit
@brittle owl nah you started it
minor helm
sick sentinel
i think its a bit funny but also aggrovating when people have elitism helper "rogue got hit by cleave for 40k! (89%)"
modern brook
<@!165864577760755712> i'm holding you accountable for the state of this channel...
He's doing his best :(
modern brook
i think its a bit funny but also aggrovating when people have elitism helper "ro...
That add on is trash
teal swift
What about meh
You're my favouritist favourite
sick sentinel
i sometimes run that program but i only tell it to private report and then report after the key is completed
modern brook
It just clogs my screen
brittle owl
@sweet summit when i was regularily here i was bullying degens
mellow gorge
The current top 2 tanks are Cprogers and Skylarkedd
brittle owl
you let them run amuck
teal swift
Puro is supremely cute
mellow gorge
a bloodelf pally and nightelf druid
teal swift
The current top 2 tanks are Cprogers and Skylarkedd
Talking about raid
mellow gorge
oh
sweet summit
i was the degen you bullied wdym LMFAO
brittle owl
exactly
teal swift
i was the degen you bullied wdym LMFAO
How defen are you?
crude notch
Some of you lot need to touch more grass
teal swift
I dm you some wholesome shit earlier this week
restive ice
I can't touch grass 
sweet summit
weeb pfp = degen
mellow gorge
Some of you lot need to touch more grass
you guide others to a treasure you can't have?
restive ice
It's like from home to train to work to home
crude notch
Try better @mellow gorge
brittle owl
i'm extending my horizons currently
sweet summit
oh?
teal swift
What the fuck does "grass" mean
mellow gorge
Try better <@!331516563943587842>
i don't want to try better 😦
brittle owl
and expanding my list of potential bullying targets
teal swift
And where do I buy it
brittle owl
even willing to let weebs slide tbh
teal swift
Yo, @jagged pier how many stormforged are vulperas
jagged pier
2
minor helm
mellow gorge
that's 2 too many
crude notch
teal swift
Vulpera master race
sweet summit
^
sick sentinel
go outside dig a hole jump inside the hole and pretend to be a carrot
minor helm
got his ass
sweet summit
nvm wrong message got ^ed
sick sentinel
you'll feel alot better
teal swift
LOL
tropic gorge
i think its a bit funny but also aggrovating when people have elitism helper "ro...
That can be annoying, however people with that add on have helped me figure out my mess ups before
teal swift
Fucking pin that
minor helm
teal swift
sweet summit
no
brittle owl
this is why i keep telling you to shut up @sweet summit
sweet summit
@brittle owl ligma
tropic gorge
Lol
mellow gorge
<@408281070409351168> ligma
who's steve jobs?
minor helm
sick sentinel
That can be annoying, however people with that add on have helped me figure out ...
it can be almost toxic cuz it calls people out and they get really really low motivation after or raged
sweet summit
dn
sick sentinel
and it leads to early quits, DEFINITELY seen that when i let EH run without spamming everything
teal swift
Mwahi, why did you get rid of your glorious pfp
mellow gorge
it can be almost toxic cuz it calls people out and they get really really low mo...
there was an addon i saw that shows you at the end of a run the amount of failure damage you took
brittle owl
Mwahi, why did you get rid of your glorious pfp
prob so you cunts don't stalk him
mellow gorge
which i found to be better than getting spammed that you've been hit by something in the middle of a dungeon
sick sentinel
"rogue hit for 103%" rogue brezz'd "rogue hit for 82%, rogue hit for 49%, rogue has left the group"
teal swift
prob so you cunts don't stalk him
Who tf are you, and were you not around for the memeing of grandpa mwahi?
sick sentinel
that was what i did but i set it only ever to go off whenever key ended
modern brook
Who tf are you, and were you not around for the memeing of grandpa mwahi?
respect your elders kid smh
teal swift
Smhmh
brittle owl
Who tf are you, and were you not around for the memeing of grandpa mwahi?
shut up weeb, nobody asked you anything
teal swift
I'm also a furry
tropic gorge
it can be almost toxic cuz it calls people out and they get really really low mo...
Yeah some people absolutely do
teal swift
You forgot to add that
mellow gorge
yuzu is a raid boss
brittle owl
shut up furry doesn't roll off the tongue as good
teal swift
Either does ur momma
mellow gorge
oh no
teal swift
restive ice
shut up furry doesn't roll off the tongue as good
because the fur sticks to your tongue
mellow gorge
but it wasn't a spell
restive ice
very logical
mellow gorge
it was a physical ability
sick sentinel
it's super spammy a bit if you don't turn off some of the intial stuff, but i use something called RSA raeli's spell announcer
mellow gorge
you should've shield blocked it you fool
sick sentinel
what that does is you can set it to say "activated shield wall" and then when it goes away put similiar message up, and you can customize those messages
teal swift
Daddy, make me behave louder. UwU edgy fox noises
modern brook
what that does is you can set it to say "activated shield wall" and then when it...
i hate shit like this too tbh:/
sweet summit
plush atlas
Mommy pull my leash uwu
teal swift
Mommy pull my leash uwu
You know I will
mellow gorge
nOT WIHTOUT CONSENT
sick sentinel
it's not as bad if you tell it to put a message when you use something
mellow gorge
blizzard will censor us all
teal swift
I don't need consent with her.
ionic fern
Aight, that's enough of such topics.
plush atlas
I consent to everything :p
modern brook
it's not as bad if you tell it to put a message when you use something
just dont care about other peoples rotation. Spell reflect is the only thing i need to keep track of and interupt trackers do that just as well
teal swift
Sorry Mwahi. So why'd you delete your pfp?
ionic fern
Creating a Christmas special.
teal swift
Creating a Christmas special.
Exciting. /Hug
@mellow gorge reroll na Horde
We can key togerher
teal swift
With the fucking quality of these sperg dps
Would be oversll performance increase
I s2g
mellow gorge
sberg
teal swift
I have a lot of respect for Des, and I also am on the autism spectrun
plush atlas
Ooo more tankies for lift?
teal swift
But it gets the point across.
restive ice
With the fucking quality of these sperg dps
I swear I can do damage
please believe me
teal swift
please believe me
You're eu
restive ice
DEADGE
tropic gorge
3 dps warriors would be fun
plush atlas
I'd literally take 3 DPS warriors idgaf
We almost did yesterday
teal swift
Yeah then we didn't take hiky
tropic gorge
Shit would either get deleted, or wreck everyone lmao
strong forum
Yuzu is going off again huh
tropic gorge
What did the Naga ever do to you? Snek girls best girls
teal swift
Yuzu is going off again huh
🤗
plush atlas
I'll behave.
Lies
autumn pendant
Yuzu is going off again huh
Tbh, never stopped
strong forum
brittle owl
it's all your fault @sweet summit
autumn pendant
it's all your fault <@!165864577760755712>
Leave that guy alone
teal swift
You saw it earlier, but are you proud : 💕
brittle owl
Leave that guy alone
i did. look at what this place has become
plush atlas
why don't you reroll for EU
Cuz she can't abandon meh
brittle owl
smfh
teal swift
why don't you reroll for EU
I can't leave my healer behind
sweet summit
autumn pendant
i did. look at what this place has become
🗞️
plush atlas
Lol
modern brook
i did. look at what this place has become
its your fault then 😦
modern brook
<:sadge:820202363359854633>
smh the mael i know woulda just told me to shut up
restive ice
modern brook
you've changed.
restive ice
arms broken
teal swift
Depressing shadow priest
brittle owl
sweet summit
dmg hack
teal swift
I used to run keys with Razzu
mellow gorge
"Bubbleslut"
teal swift
(godly spriest)
tropic gorge
Arms is so fun and has such good output
restive ice
you fall off really quick in aoe when cds end
tropic gorge
Yup
tropic gorge
But usually shits melting by then. Or hopefully should be
restive ice
📈
strong forum
You saw it earlier, but are you proud : 💕
Getting there 
tropic gorge
Elisian might is so good
restive ice
yeah
kyrian arms with em is quite strong
you'll still get deleted in aoe by some degen aoe specs
or windwalker
but you have really good st as well
so 
strong forum
Si
strong forum
Won't change
Ravager grands 10 rage per tick
It ticks 6 times
Doesn't matter how enemies it hits
, well it needs to hit atleast 1 enemy
tropic gorge
Chaege, Ms, rend, then I war breaker and avatar and spear
Then the true fun begins
teal swift
I need thicc damage
How much more damage us seismic?
Idk how I'ma xonvixne my healer
tropic gorge
I also half jokingly try to snag a pi during sexecute
plush atlas
Out dosing people lol
Think you out dosed ppl last week and lost sense of time and place
teal swift
Omg
28g mushroom trip
I'm still recovering from that....
Still jumpy and prone to panic
tropic gorge
So I looked at icy veins last night and Mika is the best bind (kyrian) for prot and arms. I'm so torn
teal swift
Use the build in pins
tropic gorge
There is one conduit shared between both that has no cross over
teal swift
This
dim token
I don’t mind either as long as it’s done right, adding completely useless stuffs don’t do anything 🤔
modern brook
Warrior got plenty
Proy got execute and dps specs got ip and reflect
Like yeah ww had no business being "unpruned"
But the unpruning itself isn't bloat 🤷♂️
dim token
They’ve just been looping pruning and unpruning every expansion and market it as a feature everytime and this time it’s executed like crap
Like locks get corruption baseline which under no scenario you would click the button
modern brook
Corruption is dps neutral for non affli 🤷♂️
dim token
While mages get two really strong defensive CDs out of nowhere, they weren’t even weak defensively to begin with
modern brook
I mean 1) mages are the baby class that gets coddled always 2) warlock got baseline demonic circle which is huge
The only class that got fucked by the pruning was feral
And maybe shamans
I still know absolutely nothing about shamans
timid coyote
Primal strike!
dim token
Not sure about PvP but in pve feral was and js mainly fucked by bad numeric balance among their own toolkits, their rotational abilities kept pushing other rotational abiltiies out of the rotation
Idk what I feel about prot, maybe it would be cool if execute dealt a little more damage
Or actually have some defensive value
tropic gorge
Whirlwind needs some rework imo
When they nerfed the ww/ss combo (that was needed) it seems they forgot later on to tune ww
jagged pier
ww/ss combo?
tropic gorge
Whirlwind sweeping strikes
That combo used to be broken, ss would end up hitting one target multiple times. Good fun
I don't recall what xpack they fixed it in
balmy coral
I see some warriors run the wall in the top 100 parses, I feel most fights on SOD have enough movement to not justify it
tropic gorge
I use the wall. With am you can shield wall ever minute something
Like 1m 20 ish or so
strong forum
I see some warriors run the wall in the top 100 parses, I feel most fights on SO...
just them being wrong/lazy
nothing new
most of parses in 9.0.5 were still the wall in CN
because loads of people arent informed
fierce juniper
is prot warrior still best tank?
patent osprey
I use the wall. With am you can shield wall ever minute something
I respect your legendary choice ^.^ The wall legendary is what I recommended for everyone in S1 when everyone wanted thunderlord!
chilly brook
is prot warrior still best tank?
No
strong forum
is prot warrior still best tank?
always
tropic gorge
I do miss thunder lord
chilly brook
But who cares
jagged pier
Like 1m 20 ish or so
it should be around 1 min with am and the wall
fierce juniper
hmm getting conflicting answers here
chilly brook
The best tank is the one you're good with
chilly brook
Like it legit basically doesn't matter what tank you're playing
strong forum
technically same
fierce juniper
Like it legit basically doesn't matter what tank you're playing
wrong, the correct answer to my question was "yes"
tropic gorge
Lmao
chilly brook
wrong, the correct answer to my question was "yes"
That's objectively wrong though
tropic gorge
Best physical damage. Don't tell the druids
Silly bears think their invuln makes them the best
chilly brook
Best tank for m+ is definitively druid
sweet summit
you dare question odyn himself?
fierce juniper
look, i dont even play wow anymore. I'm just here to meme
strong forum
same
chilly brook
tropic gorge
I've had better luck with paladins than bears in m+
Last stand is so op
Er, final stand
Bubble aoe taunt
modern brook
I don't play bear
tropic gorge
I have thought since wrath thst druid tanks are way op
And since wrath when their hp pools were as deep as the ocean I've hated druids
strong forum
ability duplication hack?
they got it off of ebay, you wouldnt understand
modern brook
Ultimately: who cares tankings been a joke since 8.2 anyways
utility
Where all the bdk stans like " even if bdk is numerically bad it'll still be the beat cause of it sutility"
They're bears now
tropic gorge
Why bears have an invulnerability is beyond me
But either way. I've seen a lot of bad bears come through lfg pug raids, and in m+
jagged pier
u always do see the bad fotm players
strong forum
Where all the bdk stans like " even if bdk is numerically bad it'll still be the...
theres also the "the grass is always greener on the other side" thing going on
jagged pier
the other side is a dungeon
strong forum
whenever theres a new r1 tank
currently people are arguing about how good pally is
cuz andy is r1
its so stupid
tropic gorge
Imo dh aren't very good tanks. At least the ones I've seen in m+ and pug raids
tropic gorge
But all classes are basically in the same spot except damn druids
jagged pier
out of incarn they bad
tropic gorge
Put swipe on all bars and face roll to victory!
strong forum
the thing bear lacks the most is good dmg output
you rarely see a bear even break 6k overall dps
cuz you gotta do alot of weaving even in m+ to do good dps
regular bears that perma sit in bear will only do 5k dps
even when doing ultra pulls
tropic gorge
*laughs in shield block *
merry verge
Is it possible to write a macro based onthe amount of rage you have? I'm running Devastator and push Revenge when it isn't a free cast too often. I've been trying to unlearn the old school key jamming warrior playstyle, but have had limited success.
modern brook
Macro, no
That said you really shouldn't have dead globals even with devastator
So if ur having rage issues it's likely due to incorrect cd/reprisal usagw
mighty valley
What's your ilvl? It's been so long since I've had to be conservative with revenge
modern brook
Or I guess really low haste
merry verge
What's your ilvl? It's been so long since I've had to be conservative with reven...
238 ilvl.
mighty valley
Are you sure you're pressing revenge too much? What actual problems are you facing?
merry verge
Are you sure you're pressing revenge too much? What actual problems are you faci...
Not enough Rage to hit SB on cooldown, dead globals.
grave crane
i mean if you see its coming off cd then dont press revenge?
jagged pier
well that mis managing rage
but its also very likely u arent generating enough
if u are literally out of rage
grave crane
also if your running reprisal with bolster you can just intevene someone for the SB or pop Last stand but thats not gonna solve the issue
grave crane
i ran it when i was new not saying its smart but what i did
mighty valley
Yeah I'd look to 1) not maximizing reprisal like bullfango mentioned, 2) just not prioritizing rage generators, or 3) pressing IP too much
or maybe very very low haste
dead globals should be very very rare, even with pressing a whole lot of revenge
tribal pagoda
Guys, am I stupid/bad or are prot warriors the worst tank for sylvie? I got 250 ilvl and sometimes still die to HC sylvie if I get the tankbuster 2x in a row... I imagine this will become a bigger problem on mythic sylvie... Am I missing something big? Or is the secret to just use shield wall? 😄
jagged pier
they arent the best, but u should not be dying
if u are u are doing somthing completely wrong
grave crane
are you taking heartseeker strike two times in a row?
tribal pagoda
@grave crane yes
sometimes
My thinking is: Some tanks tank her solo in HC so I should not die if my co-tank fcks up a taunt
but throwing externals or huge CDs like shieldwall on such often-repeated mechanic feels wrong
jagged pier
i mean ive taking 9 stack on mythic without and issue
and SW is 1:30 what are talking about big cd?
grave crane
i know theres like one time during p1 where i would routinely get that twice but popping aegis and Necro shield did it?
tribal pagoda
how? shieldblock and spell reflect (if ready) and remaining rage into IP?
jagged pier
thats all u should need in hc
grave crane
Demo shout also helps
tribal pagoda
and SW is 1:30 what are talking about big cd?
For me its 3.3min? I play the NF legy 😄
sick sentinel
best way which there is almost no excuse with power of computers these days is upload a video to youtube
or logs
tribal pagoda
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3cwb2ktyxpTmzqdY/#fight=last even has a death by me
jagged pier
u had nothing up when u died
tribal pagoda
Ouf
jagged pier
and u are running the conduit and AM so how is your SW cd 3:30 mins
are u just not pressing buttons?
tribal pagoda
3.3 is shown in the tooltip 😄 did not think about in-fight reduction
jagged pier
why the fuck are u using the fate scripe trinket?
tribal pagoda
... because I tend to die in that fight 😄
jagged pier
i mean u ran aegis or scale that already better
tribal pagoda
Okay, so I will a) pay more attention to actually have stuff up when she hits me b) get aegis and c) use shield wall like a 1,5min cd and not like some 3+min "Oh shit" button
jagged pier
like u died with out having SB or IP or SR up and u hadnt used LS or SW in the fight
so u had thos cds to use
north rampart
whats the cd on sw nowadays with the wall+conduit+am?
tribal pagoda
yeah... gotta work on that... SB/IP + SR went into first combo -> no rage left I guess
jagged pier
whats the cd on sw nowadays with the wall+conduit+am?
1 min if that
tribal pagoda
Thanks for the help guys! 🙂
jagged pier
u waste a fair bit of rage as well
your wasting about a 5th of the rage u gain
by overcapping
tropic gorge
whats the cd on sw nowadays with the wall+conduit+am?
i can do it about every minue to minute 30 depending on shield slam procs
somewhere between 1m and 1m30 sec
i spam. tf. out of shieldwall
its so good
jagged pier
no with AM the wall and conduit it should be a mintue
in 9.0 55 seconds was the best possible time
with upgraded conduits
its less
so it has to be around 1 min
because with AM alone its 1:30
tropic gorge
yessir. to get 1m i need a few extra shield slam procs. at least that i think ive noticed
i dont have exact timers, just what it kinda feels like
but, its every pull for trash, and every big ability on bosses
sick sentinel
1minute cd on sw could be very silly
sick sentinel
something like 1/7th of time taking 40% less + extra effects from wall
some m+ keys feels like you put up wall/avatar and you become god
jagged pier
1minute cd on sw could be very silly
Its been at that since launch with the wall the conduit and AM
But u loose far to much block to make it viable
minor helm
You went to bed like 3 hours ago
minor helm
safe thistle
Sinful Surge (Venthyr Runecarving Power) now extends the duration of Avatar (Talent) by 2.5 seconds when Condemn (Venthyr Ability) is cast (was Last Stand duration extended by 3 seconds).
wouldnt it be good in raid with tank swap ?
hasty cedar
I am not the best to answer, but people said that venthyr you spend too much rage and don't have the AA or spear generator
mighty valley
I'm gonna try it on pump fights, it has absolutely no defensive benefit
But something fun to do with my dps leggo
I do already do a lot of irresponsible condemning tbh, so why not
miss the days when venthyr got to be the best st prot dps
grave crane
Doesn’t condemn still add damage that you mitigate from the enemy? There’s some small defensive benefit it isn’t really great
ocean reef
Venthyr prot is a bad time
If you can avoid it, you should swap to anything but venth
grave crane
Yeah I did most of nathria as venthyr prot, didn’t feel great but I also was pvping on my warrior so I didn’t want to switch off
teal swift
If you can avoid it, you should swap to anything but venth
When in doubt go nightfae
ocean reef
🦊
grave crane
Necrogang
ocean reef
Unfortunate, hope you'll find greener pastures somewhere
grave crane
Understandable the content is kinda dead. Find something else you enjoy
north rampart
yeah no point getting burnt out
violet violet
Subcreation says lots of people are using both scale and aegis in keys. Anyone here do that? I assume the double on-use is a non-issue since you just use one per pack
mighty valley
If you can avoid it, you should swap to anything but venth
absolutely refuse
I don't like double on-use, if you're mindful it's probably fine but I imagine it's hard to use both close to optimally
steel mist
guys do you need vers that much for m+, asking this for the raid leader who wants to tank on prot warrior
lofty widget
you dont
urban portal
Depends
Are you doing 27 where you just die to magic damage because it's impossible to kick every cast
sick sentinel
versatility helps hide mistakes, but its better to just avoid as many mistakes as possible
which comes down to dps, more dps you do and team less times he can cast tank breaker of rightous which hits for 125k unmitigated say
if he does that 10 times instead of 5, that puts alot more pressure on your group
there is no magic amount of versatility that will allow you to sit in fire and cleave all day long at a 15 or 20 key
mighty valley
if you're normal, don't worry about vers specifically, just go ilvl > haste > whatever
sick sentinel
yeah, if you are normie, just stack haste, "ravager/ss/rev/execute go brrrr i just press buttons haha"
tropic gorge
lol
sick sentinel
shares haste/crit gear with arms too is a possiblity m+, you get parry with crit as well as bigger damage, so if you know you won't be taking huge damage crit is actually really viable, resets our SS when we parry, and we got 4 guys meleeing us
strong forum
guys do you need vers that much for m+, asking this for the raid leader who want...
No
dark lark
For keys, would you use five 239 heroic slots with the five recommended shards, or all 252s?
Trying to see what the line is between ilvl vs r5 shard
teal swift
Depends
Do you want dps
% DPS is nice
But I like high ilvl
What level of keys you doing
teal swift
Oh nice! I do like the power of the shards.
jagged pier
Trying to see what the line is between ilvl vs r5 shard
U use the dome sockets
U use 226 dom sockets over 252 pieces
tame jasper
do we already know if theres any drop relevant from legion timewalk, maybe a 2nd live trinket?
( I havnt played legionm back then)
mighty valley
There was a ring that increased auto attack damage by 10%
Probably the thing most likely to be must-farm
mellow gorge
That doesn't sound very useful
urban portal
That doesn't sound very useful
its very strong
its a huge amount of dps for basically free
mellow gorge
I mean if im thinking right
If i did a total of 700k auto attack dmg at the end of a dungeon
With that ring its 770k
70k dmg overall doesn't sound very strong
urban portal
its weaker in AOE
however
theres no ring at 252 would give you that much damage
using the t27 data on simc
you can see that your autos do 1k dps
so thats 100 more
out of 6000
urban portal
1.7% dps increase
on st
theres not a single ring that can give you a 100 dps up
going from 246 to 252
mellow gorge
Though what about the haste trinkets? Like warrior old soul