protection

[urban portal]

yeah

[strong forum]

Welllllll

[urban portal]

its not like they are ever pressing maul

[strong forum]

That's every tank

[cinder nova]

Catweaving gives up survivability/utility.

[strong forum]

They are

[cinder nova]

Plus you can't always weave on fights where heavy dots tick.

[strong forum]

A good raid bear has quite a difference in parsing

The 1 tank

That chooses hardcore between parsing or tanking

Cuz a parsing bear is in cat for 90%of the time

[urban portal]

If you are on parse mode you go GG and press mail

Maul

Go cat

[cinder nova]

I don't think you ever drop GG

Unless you're getting bodied.

Or doing m+

I think tank parses matter up and until probably about 90th percentile, because the difference between 90th and 99 is like maybe a total of 400K damage on a 6m fight depending on what kind of fight it is. 400K is rarely going to be a deciding point for a kill unless you're barely breaking thresholds.

[urban portal]

between 90 to 99 is just people going parse mode

[strong forum]

Eh

I'd say

[cinder nova]

Right, and it's hardly a major variable.

[strong forum]

You'll get a 95 by just doing your stuff correctly

[jagged pier]

u can get 90 without trying

[urban portal]

when i was parsing cn i just stopped pressing shield block

since we were so overgeared

[cinder nova]

And yet we get people parsing blue, green, and grey.

[strong forum]

But SB is a dmg gain

[cinder nova]

ShB is a damage gain, yeah.

[jagged pier]

SB is a damage gain

[cinder nova]

I had to stop pressing it when my cotank has bosses on M prog atm because I'm taking more damage than I should be at current.

[urban portal]

on bear i stopped ironfuring

[cinder nova]

And I'm losing DPS.

Sometimes I can use one, but I prefer to go into active swaps with 2 charges.

[strong forum]

Ngl

Even when not tanking

I press SB on CD

Need my damgur

[jagged pier]

same

[cinder nova]

I can feel myself getting kicked around sometimes and my healers are loud whiners.

So I'm saving mongo for when we start farming fights.

[jagged pier]

why

if u can survive why not

i got rank 11 on my first guardian kill

[cinder nova]

Because my raid was wiping on Eye from DPS missing phase pushes.

Even though we one shot it for the last four weeks.

:^)

Speaking of, they also complained and asked if I was blocking on Eye

I told them "Yep"

Because I was smashing it on CD for that sweet, sweet DPS, but it matters not.

I hate how they made an entire fight where our AM is the only AM that has no interface with any mechanics.

[strong forum]

I don't take shit from healers lol

Like

I know I'm doing my stuff correctly, I'm rather

[jagged pier]

ppl take shit from healers?

[strong forum]

Asking if they're not doing X

Or w/e is happening

[tropic gorge]

I like to call it "critical feedback"

;)

[strong forum]

The feedback is, heal me

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[strong forum]

Legit

[tropic gorge]

I get my face smashed. You fix

Aaaaand pull!

[strong forum]

Well I know that I'm doing my shit

[cinder nova]

Basically.

My RL and our old healers don't care because our healers are actually pretty decent

It's the new guy that was whining about how tank DPS shifts burdens to healers entirely.

[spiral warren]

Yeah I will thanks for the advice

[tropic gorge]

This reminds me of my first day on this discord, a priest hopped in asking about block showing in buffs saying a pug war tank "never used block" lmao

[strong forum]

Also very fun to play around

[strong forum]

Yeah we had a guy a few weeks back asking in 9% block uptime is normal

🤡

[cinder nova]

I mean uptime is a useless metric what

[tropic gorge]

My God how is that even possible?

[strong forum]

9% my guy...

It was in fact a healer

Asking about it

Cuz they had a pug warrior that got destroyed

And yeah, using only 20 sb in an entire dungeon isn't exactly good

[cinder nova]

Naturally

But it's still a dookie metric

[urban portal]

uptime is a useless metric but 9% is too low

%blocked is best

[tropic gorge]

I've played my warrior since vanilla. The patch before wsg was added into the game. I don't really understand how it's possible to never ever use block

[jagged pier]

do u not remeber tthe person in CN who had cleared hc without pressing SB

[tropic gorge]

From a very low lvl its apparent how powerful it is

[mighty valley]

uptime can't tell you if you're doing really well but it can definitely tell you if you're doing dogshit awful lmao

[strong forum]

Stack vers and mastery, talent into never surrender

Only press IP

[tropic gorge]

Speaking of. Does details! Only use in combat time to determine up times %? I assume it does

[strong forum]

Only combat time

As soon as you drop combat it stops counting

[tropic gorge]

I thought that's how it would work. Ty for the confirmation

[mossy peak]

I had to swap tank for this week, am Kyrian, and... Thoughts on leaper for dps on painsmith? I don't have a way to get back after the hammers in p2 otherwise so I'm just sitting out there, I assume fae blink back on one of them. Would lose tremendous add damage without EM though. Survival is a-ok, reprisal/wall unnecessary.

Just thinking about the sheer uptime it would grant.

[urban portal]

Our initial prog our tank used leaper

[strong forum]

Need to kite raid bosses

Ok

Every boss is council of the blood

[mossy peak]

The boss is moving while I'm over there, folks certainly need to kill the ball and cross faster but till then I'm just sitting behind my spike wave with my thumb up my butt

[ancient reef]

any .5 release news

[mighty valley]

no

it'll show up in the news channel when we know

[dark lark]

I just killed Painsmith last night, and I'm the tank who dealt with hammers/balls in p2 and 3. Theres no point in leaper, you can get back with just stutter stepping back to the raid just fine, assuming the chains don't screw you and the rest of the raid kills the ball quickly.

I did go NF just for this fight. My raid comp uses 2 hpals, so for three p3 scythe hits I used two BOPs and a soulshape. It's easier to BOP leap through balls that are spawning close, and for the faraway balls you can leap/soulshape (the timing and positioning is tight so you should be careful and maybe have a cheat death of some kind while you're learning it at first)

[dark lark]

Boss shouldn't be moving lol, your co tank should have it then

[mossy peak]

He has it, by moving I mean, moving towards the balls, and with them.

[dark lark]

Yeah ic

Yeah there's no rush to get back. Just move with the spikes

And hope the chain players don't murder you

[mossy peak]

They do a fine enough job murdering each other, I'll be fine!

[dark lark]

Also, you should be going to the third diagonal square in, and you can then shift a little bit by two tiles based on where the balls spawn

Dunno if that makes sense verbally, but I can draw something if you'd like

[mossy peak]

Yeah I'm fine as far as actual tank mechanics go.

I died to every tank mechanic - once and only once.

[dark lark]

👍

[mossy peak]

Just trying to maximize DPS here as best as possible since it's very much not a survivability fight for tanks

Boss hits like a noodle outside of the hammer dot

[dark lark]

You can literally get away with just a demo shout/IP before leaping away

[jagged pier]

there is literally zero need to maximize dps on painsmith

[mossy peak]

Oh I have a need

[dark lark]

It's only a dps check if people are dead

But at current gear levels there's no need

[mossy peak]

I'm not worried about killing the boss, it dies this week

I don't want my logs tainted with a shit prot parse

[dark lark]

Best pull?

[mossy peak]

Last intermission, scuffed, it's literally just one mechanic killing people and as soon as they stop doing it the boss dies.

[dark lark]

P3 chain movement takes a while for the raid to learn

Not as long as learning intermission though

As long as you can cross the balls safely in p3 you'll be fine

[mossy peak]

Yeah I'm genuinely not worried progwise here, literally just trying to parse here. Parse on prog, that's the motto

[quiet crane]

yeah i wouldnt say guaranteed kill yet for you DP

p3 there's alot more damage from the hammers and shit speeds up

your raid will need to practice the movement to as its different from p2 and 1

[sick sentinel]

with this decanter (m+) is it shaped more like wedge or spike

[strong forum]

Spike

It's a rather narrow angle

I don't know the exact angle of it, but atleast the animation is rather narrow

[sick sentinel]

i see a red blizzard thing says connection issues login attempts, sounds to me like ddos

[strong forum]

Well

Today is reset

So there might just be overload

Cuz small indie company

[sick sentinel]

tuesday isn't it?

we wednesday today

[strong forum]

Well my guy

There's a whole nother world out there

[distant crystal]

it's actually 9.1.5 surprise release

[strong forum]

Past your borders

Wednesday is EU reset

Thursday is China reset

[sick sentinel]

ohh..

[strong forum]

You didn't know that?

[sick sentinel]

🍔 🇺🇸 🏈

burgerland > bongland imo

[plush tendon]

yea, not our fault you guys are a day behind

basically living in the past

[sick sentinel]

far as i'm aware every single store in canada prices reset on thursday very early am, and crackers goes on sale from 2.99 to 2.25 a pack

[acoustic fjord]

What's the future like?

[plush tendon]

Its meh, would not recommend

[acoustic fjord]

Rip

[tropic gorge]

Lmao

Mr popo, please teach me like you trained goku

[acoustic fjord]

Okie dokie

:)

Imma be real with you chief

[strong forum]

👀
👄

[sweet summit]

[acoustic fjord]

I never watched that show. I got this name because it's what my friends called me when I worked at the Sheriff's Office lol

[strong forum]

[distant crystal]

he's actually named after the lovable owlkin drug dealer in korthia

[acoustic fjord]

No he's named after me

B)

Yeah. I was a big deal for a couple of minutes 😏

[tropic gorge]

Lmao

Nom knows what's up

[sick sentinel]

rip wow

na cant connect

[acoustic fjord]

:(

I want to playyyy

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-annoyed-stuck-outside-open-the-door-open-up-gif-16568613

Let me in!

[sick sentinel]

7https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyL2DEN_1KQ

[strong forum]

Can't remember the last time I properly wanted to play wow

https://tenor.com/view/empty-brain-loading-gif-20731521

[acoustic fjord]

I personally still enjoy it. If I don't feel like playing any of my mains, I just level something I don't normally play.

[strong forum]

Fair

[acoustic fjord]

I see why people don't like it though. Sadge

[safe thistle]

heya guys

i tried to improve what ppl said, if you have anything else to tell me to imrpove on nerzhul M ill appreciate plz

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8w7Tz4DVYdbxXCjA/#fight=48&type=casts&source=5

we finally got to third shatter.....

[old flame]

silly question, if we extend a lockout and don't kill the boss (heroic) what happens if we want to go back?

do we need to start a new raid with a dif lead to reset or does reverting in the raid info tab set it back

[sweet summit]

you give someone with a fresh lockout lead, and they reset all instances

then you start from tarragrue

[old flame]

right, but the person who extended, they're locked?

for loot etc?

[sweet summit]

i don't know

i don't think so?

[fallow knot]

Yes they are

[sweet summit]

there you go

[old flame]

even if we don't get a kill in the extension? does killing say a trash mob basically lock the extension in till end of week?

[fallow knot]

Pressing extend locks them out

[old flame]

right but you can revert it in the info tab, I guess the question is can you revert after

[fallow knot]

Oh that's something I've not seen. Last I knew it was a binary thing with no chance to revert if you didn't kill shit. Can't speak to that sorry :(

[old flame]

all good

bossman Raid leader didn't want to have to clear KT before more sylv prog (we're doing M Tara and eye attempts for the first half) but he found a heroic tarra lockout anyway so we're fine. just curious at this point

[frosty crest]

This is probably a very stupid question, but does Glory extend Banner on the other people you buff with it, or just on yourself?

[sick sentinel]

Glory is the Necrolord Warrior Legendary. It causes Conqueror's Banner to affect an additional ally, and every 10 Rage you spend while it is active increases the duration of your banner by 0.5 sec. This extension does not increase the duration of the Conqueror's Banner buff on any allies.

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=353577/glory#comments

[cinder nova]

What's the GCD haste cap thingy

Like, at what point does haste become irrelevant because you're functionally bottlenecked by the GCD

[teal swift]

39% before buffs

Afaik

Is soft csp

[mighty valley]

It starts dropping at 30% but not massively, then the DR gets worse every 10% til 80%

I think 40% is a good casual cap to deprioritize it

[urban portal]

If you are talking about the gcd it's 100%

Like you don't get any gcd reduction at 100

[mighty valley]

So that’s kind of 70% plus bloodlust

Although I find the client struggles to keep up a little lower than that

[cinder nova]

Can boomkin hit the GCD cap with lust and venth

[urban portal]

I don't see why not

[cinder nova]

So hitting them with PI is functionally a waste.

[ocean yoke]

@safe thistle im not an expert by any means but im comparing to my own remnant kill from yesterday. Your block uptime was decent at 84%, you can get it marginally higher but remnant tank damage is kinda a joke anyway. the main thing im seeing is you should prioritize getting your shield slam casts higher. for comparison the pull you linked there you have 10.6 cpm of shield slam, in mine i was at 16.2. it looks like a good chunk of that may be from it looks like you had more downtime on the boss, probably from moving to the edge for the knockbacks

the slam casts will likely go a bit higher with the extra haste from lust so thatll help, but sticking to casting shield slam basically whenever basically will be the biggest play

[safe thistle]

i was an orb carrier

[ocean yoke]

ahhhh

ok

that definitely occurs for a lot of it then, with that in mind youre doing pretty well then

[safe thistle]

but thnx i always like those stuff im bad at logs

does it change anything been the first or second tank ? cause im the first one mostly all the orbs are mine to manage

[ocean yoke]

im usually first as well unless push timings change the pattern, afaik it wont change it much

[safe thistle]

k

your at how much cpm ?

[ocean yoke]

for shield slam? im not an orb runner but mine was at 16.2

[safe thistle]

ppl say i should be always over 60

[ocean yoke]

oh overall, looks like 69.3 for mine

[urban portal]

Depends

You can pad cpm really hard

With ip

But what if you don't need to ip

[safe thistle]

ahh normally i do spell reflect and 2 IP for the suffering it make it seems like nothing

[ocean yoke]

yeah you dont need much for it, i like to spell reflect during shatter too

[cinder nova]

Suffering doesn't really hit that hard tbh

Malevolence hits harder

[safe thistle]

oh yah ?

[cinder nova]

I mean, yeah - you're MDing two simultaneously

And even if you SR that suffering it'll overlap both the MD and the Suffer

[safe thistle]

i wonder if i should intervene a malevolance player to reduce is dmg if possible then

[ocean yoke]

using the conduit im guessing?

[cinder nova]

M Malevolence MDs is ~44K

[safe thistle]

ya

[cinder nova]

Suffer is 38K

[ocean yoke]

you could do that if youre using the conduit, would help slightly keep them a bit higher hp

but yeah overall id you say youre doing good, remnant is basically just get to 30% with everyone alive for the burn

we have just the one malevolence during p3 i think so its not too bad

[safe thistle]

ok

so now its ppl not dying to malevolance or grasp

[ocean yoke]

yep

[safe thistle]

eurg been 3 weeks on him

[cinder nova]

Wipe count?

[safe thistle]

over 150

[ocean yoke]

wew thats rough

[safe thistle]

always someone dying on malevolance and grasp still :/

or not facing the right way

[ocean yoke]

dying to the grasp is just not being aware at all

[quiet crane]

Just make sure that you MD the malevolence sim the final phase even if someone has to die

[safe thistle]

k

[quiet crane]

And make sure to get the dispell off quick enough to make sure you can get the chest plate for the third knock back

Use any wind rush or Druid roars and watch timers

[safe thistle]

cant charge that armor right ?

[cinder nova]

No, none of the armor that bursts off him is targetable.

[ocean yoke]

you just have to walk over right after knockback

[cinder nova]

^

[safe thistle]

i guess you start ignoring orb on second set after lust ?

[cinder nova]

Leap, charge, intervene.

And if you're NF you can blink.

TBH you shouldn't have mobility issues. This fight is really immobile for tanks.

[safe thistle]

ya as a warrior its even amazing for reprisal

[ocean yoke]

i think boss fell over before we bothered with last sets of orbs but i dont know that for sure since im not running them

[safe thistle]

k

cant wait for him to die i though he was easy but some ppl need more time to understand it

[ocean yoke]

youll have a wonderful time on painsmith lol

[cinder nova]

I'll be real, I'm running EM on prog

[ocean yoke]

ive been thinking about running em when we start sylv prog next week

but ill probably stick with reprisal just since im comfortable with it

[cinder nova]

I don't think I'll be using Rep until maybe Soulrender or Painsmith

[ocean yoke]

ive just defaulted to it at least in part cause ive been too lazy with torghast to craft more leggos tbh

[deep steeple]

what is the best tank warrior legendary for sylv prog?

[digital arch]

guys, how are u doing DOS this week?

the firsst and second pull always die a lot of dps at +18

[lusty ember]

Lust the first pack, save your CDs and healer CDs for pack two, shadowcore casts are absolute highest priority

Is how I've been handling it

Works pretty much every week without adjustment

[teal swift]

Slowfall first pack, lust second, come back to first with powers.

[sick sentinel]

soggodon placement this week with the LoS guy is annoying as hell

[honest plinth]

Doable only in 25+ pugs

[honest plinth]

Wdym

[sick sentinel]

I just learned you can pull him and LoS and he wont grip you in. never mind ^^

[honest plinth]

Ah oki. Ye you Just los him

[sick sentinel]

its my first bolstering week as a new tank. It sucks.

[honest plinth]

Just dont pull big scary mobs with 20 little ones :)

[sick sentinel]

in my rio elo hell

any mob can become scary

[honest plinth]

Well sure you cant big pull with aoe capped specs in your grp

[sick sentinel]

yeah I gotta learn to play around bolstering

[blazing condor]

only thing you can really do as a tank with bolstering is to know what youre pulling

if you're gonna pull a lot of mobs with different health pools it might be a problem

but at the end of the day DPS have a big responsibility as well to cleave them down equally

[honest plinth]

It is not possible if hp pools is too different

[sick sentinel]

in my keys I'd be happy if everyone could surpass me on the damage meter on big aoe pulls on my druid tank. Sadly thats not always an option

[blazing condor]

thats what i mean

then just pull smaller and more controlled

if you're doing keys that are <20 you really dont need convoluted routes with big pulls

[ionic fern]

^

I did a +18 SD yesterday which turned out to be a real mess with like 18 deaths and we still timed it.

😂

[sick sentinel]

SD's timer is quite lenient

[honest plinth]

Sd timer is meme

[sick sentinel]

not Necrotic Wake or Plaguefall kinda lenient

[blazing condor]

NW is the meme dungeon

[honest plinth]

Do it in mists

[blazing condor]

you can 20 death and +2 NW

[ionic fern]

DPS'ers+healer got gibbed on Soggodon's pull that synced with Quaking.

👀

[sick sentinel]

We had a full team wipe yesterday to quaking after somone messed up the maze and we all got spawned and insta died

[honest plinth]

Sogo sync is tank fail :)

[sick sentinel]

fun fun fun

[ionic fern]

I know.

it was funny.

[blazing condor]

dps go die die

[honest plinth]

If you have good route sure

[blazing condor]

thing is

you dont even need a good route

cus the dungeon is very linear

its like mists

[honest plinth]

Oh you need

There are so many routes in nw

[blazing condor]

when you're done with first boss there's really only like 2 ways you can do it

nah thats not true

you're right

[sick sentinel]

Cant pull big on 1st boss NW this week

[blazing condor]

but it still not much difference in the routes

[sick sentinel]

[blazing condor]

i just assume everyone goes and take goliath orbs and weapons - then there really isn't much more to do

[honest plinth]

I mean nw timer is ver dependable on route

[blazing condor]

guess i just have a good route then

[ionic fern]

You can "brute force" most of the dungeons sub 20.

👀

[blazing condor]

^

[jagged pier]

NW is a joke if u pick up all weps

[blazing condor]

thats what i mean

[sick sentinel]

it really is

[blazing condor]

and i assume people do

[jagged pier]

just go see 4 prots and healer do it

[ionic fern]

^

[blazing condor]

no

[honest plinth]

Im talking about a bit higher keys

[ionic fern]

JAKEY. Tank a key for me. I won't heal you if a mob gets more than 5 bolster stacks.

[jagged pier]

😦

[blazing condor]

i almost +2d my 21 tyrannical NW with like 15 deaths

[jagged pier]

but all my pulls are bigger than 5 mobs

[blazing condor]

21 isn't maybe the highest

but sitll

[jagged pier]

but okay

tomorrow i can @ionic fern

[ionic fern]

👀

[honest plinth]

The thing is i did 23 nw like 2 months ago with 5 min left with 1 route

And failed Hard with 2nd

So route has huge impact in nw imo

[ionic fern]

In my experience it's usually the healer/DPS'ers. 👀

DoS first pull:
One time you need to literally use EVERYTHING to survive.
Other time you barely need to use a defensive.

Smh

[jagged pier]

i have a lot of ppl not stand in melee with the goliath orbs

at like 20 lvl key

[honest plinth]

It was the same grp so:)

[ionic fern]

IT'S HARD.

[jagged pier]

🤔

[blazing condor]

knowledge gap

[honest plinth]

Thats coz 20 is trivial content now

[blazing condor]

especially in NW

[jagged pier]

this was at the start of the season

[honest plinth]

With gear lvl we have

[jagged pier]

when i did 20s

think i went higher after getting portals KEK

[blazing condor]

i got 7 portals in s1

[ionic fern]

You already had portals.

[blazing condor]

still havent been arsed to get my dos portal

[ionic fern]

It's called - teammates summoning you.

[blazing condor]

but i dont play the game anymore

[jagged pier]

i raid log and log for mwahi keys

[ionic fern]

[honest plinth]

Got portals in pre patch easiest portals in my life

[ionic fern]

I'd be more eager to do all 20's if they gave me dom gear.

[jagged pier]

imagine bliz being nice like that

[gaunt dawn]

id be more eager to do all 20s if i had people to play with

[jagged pier]

at least 9.1.5 is in release candidate now so can swap covs ez soon

[ionic fern]

[honest plinth]

This season is bad in that way. Its 1st time when you need to raid for keys

[blazing condor]

jakey nf?

[jagged pier]

may do for raid

[blazing condor]

this seasonal affix is just boring tbh they had good potential but literally everything you pick is passive

nothing you switch up playstyle for

[jagged pier]

even tho im starting to actually just do the same dps as NF warriors

[blazing condor]

unless you play siegebreaker which is what

[jagged pier]

so i dunno

[blazing condor]

stand still

fun

and tormentors are just lacking

[jagged pier]

see look at this im surrounded by NFs

[ionic fern]

Filthy.

[jagged pier]

exactly

[sick sentinel]

obviously if you are a ranged dps you stay in ranged. duh

[jagged pier]

un-ironically i was told that once

[honest plinth]

My dream is to play with ppl who know how to play the game and their spec

[blazing condor]

too unrealistic

[sick sentinel]

choose one

[jagged pier]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT, i can play NF and just be lazy there i am 73 CPM the NFs around me 60-67 CPM

i could just be lazy

wtf

[ionic fern]

Yeah, stop tryharding.

Just be lazy

[honest plinth]

Just be lazy with better parses :)

[mellow gorge]

Nah, just edit the parses to show big numbers easy

[blazing condor]

cheat engine

[jagged pier]

guess i need to actually lvl a NF now dont i

as 9.1.5 is a release candidate

[honest plinth]

I did 1-80 in 3 or 4 days

So its not that hard

Just annoying :)

[jagged pier]

yer i need to actually get a NF first

[sick sentinel]

lvl a bear

[blazing condor]

🤢

[strong forum]

Well I don't think you can get to 73 because you don't have reprisal

Reprisal is a huge enabler for higher cpm

[jagged pier]

i guess thats true

[viral arch]

pool RP before it - it's completely predictable

if you've ever tanked high tyr dazar it's exactly the same mechanic and the same handling

[teal swift]

Just bring a mage, practice the jump on m0 once then go

[honest plinth]

Just:)

[teal swift]

I mean, really think about it

Mage casts slow fall

You jump

Even monkeys can perform the strat

Just explain, and demonstrate on m0 before you start

[mellow gorge]

woah there, you're overestimating pugs

hitting spacebar is not part of the dps rotation, so they won't bother

[teal swift]

Realistically, I think you're underestimating pugs.

If you can pull the entire first pack with lust and not wipe

I assume they can jump

[mellow gorge]

you'd be surprised

i have had alot of people that can do big damage, but when it comes to skips

it goes terribly wrong

[teal swift]

For low keys like 16-20 just kill it, hit buttons and avoid avoidable damage

[mellow gorge]

fair enough

[teal swift]

Here's a video of people unable to perform the skip.

[mellow gorge]

nahh, this is a proper representation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN7SBXJj2pc

[teal swift]

If I had the skills

I'd replace the DVD logo

With revenge

And then tag mwahi, Jakey, etc

[mellow gorge]

i'd be guilty of revenge spamming aswell 😦

[teal swift]

Me too

[mellow gorge]

we all would

[teal swift]

This week I realized

Shield block = 1.5 revenge

Ignore pain 2 revenges

[mellow gorge]

oh no

[teal swift]

LOL

If I can be healed through it

I'ma hit revenge LOL

[mellow gorge]

who needs healing when you kill the mobs faster

honestly, browsing through some old pots, i found an interesting pot from vanilla that gives you 20/60 rage on a 5 minute cooldown

[teal swift]

Healers parse vetter

So they don't mind

[jagged pier]

u should still use SB, for instance in the rank5 on remenant i got last night i still had 92% blocked hits

[teal swift]

No need

On heroic

[mellow gorge]

remnant is ping pong right?

[teal swift]

On mythic I'm a lot more vigilant

[jagged pier]

again SB is also still a ST damage increase

[teal swift]

Does it make shield slam hit harder

[mellow gorge]

ye

[jagged pier]

yes

[teal swift]

So just take ignore pain off bar

[mellow gorge]

tbf, i wonder if punish is worth taking for raiding

[jagged pier]

no

[mellow gorge]

hm

[jagged pier]

its not hmm its not worth it

its less rage

less SS's

[mellow gorge]

true

true

[jagged pier]

makes the class mega shit to play

[mellow gorge]

devastate should be baselined smh

wait no

devastator*

[ionic fern]

A lot of things should be baseline. 😦

[gaunt dawn]

you tryin to tell me

default talent choices should be baseline?

[jagged pier]

yes

[gaunt dawn]

so talent trees have more expression + playstyle creativity within them

ur on crack m9-1

[ionic fern]

It's crazy i know..but maybe crazy enough to work?

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

imagine devastator and AM baseline

HUGE

[gaunt dawn]

id say contenders for baseline on warrior would be

Rumbling Earth

[jagged pier]

i swear we used to have that

[gaunt dawn]

you did

[jagged pier]

or was that a glyph

ok im not crazy

[gaunt dawn]

Best Served Cold

and Impending Victory

AM is a weird one, i dont think it should be baseline

its more of a lego effect imo

[jagged pier]

but it is pretty much a base line pick

thats the issue

[gaunt dawn]

Devastator kills the play of warrior imo

as it removes your filler

[jagged pier]

if u play without it u dont have the gcds to press devastate anyway

and its a rage gain loss anyways

[gaunt dawn]

id argue it should lower the % of resets

and devastate should have it baseline

invert the flow

if you want to free GCDs you lose %

[jagged pier]

devastate does have it baseline

but u dont get to press it

so u just loos out

like it has a higher chance than devastator to give SS

[gaunt dawn]

devastate doesnt have it on tooltip

🤔

[jagged pier]

its 30% no?

check SS tooltip

[gaunt dawn]

ye its on SS tooltip

id argue the case for devastate to do 40% chance

or even 50%

and devastator be 20%

so you get more freedom of expression on that row

[jagged pier]

but deva is 20%

[gaunt dawn]

ye, its not a big loss

but if deva + punish were the play

you'd have more skill ceiling

u kno

[jagged pier]

yer but it would also be slightly more clunky to play imo

[gaunt dawn]

that's fine imo

there's synergy

and opportunity cost

rn there isnt

well there's synergy

but the cost isnt there

u get me?

it's a pretty free choice

war machine is kinda weird tbh

you dont have rage issues

[jagged pier]

it also gives like 1 extra rage or somthing dumb

[gaunt dawn]

50% more rage

[jagged pier]

yer but it works out to like no rage

[gaunt dawn]

||on autos||

[jagged pier]

yer exactly we get like 3 from autos so its like 1 rage

[urban portal]

War machine would be good if we had slice n dice

But we don't

[jagged pier]

like WM used to be great on explosives when it proc'd off them and Victory rush

thos were fun weeks

[urban portal]

I know this because ascension

[teal swift]

Iike devastator

Makes rotation much easier

[urban portal]

-1 button feels good

Unless you somehow have a dry rotation as a result

[ionic fern]

Give me Indom instead. 😦

[teal swift]

Even then, devestate if used wrong will fuck you pver

I will take DPS losses if it means I can perform better. I zug hard on arms.

So I don't take rend, because I'm gonna fuck up refr shing it too early, or letting it fall off, or mismanaging rage

So I take the 3% DPS loss and perform better because of it

Question @ionic fern

What ilvl does matrix compete with h a 246 scale

[jagged pier]

226

[teal swift]

Oh damn

I have 239 aegis, I really want a matrix

Gonna beg my gm to let us kill guardian before sylv prog tomorrow

[ionic fern]

50% on Devastate is crazy + it doesn't really have a "place" as a filler in our current rotation.

[teal swift]

Keys are getting better. I timed a 16 dos and 17top.

I'm starting to learn I can do sick damage and be strongz but I need to pick good team mates.

[ionic fern]

Even if you did go the Devastate route people would just start default picking Punish instead of Devastator which leads into the same problem as currently..only that now you have a lot wonkier gameplay.

[gaunt dawn]

does it tho?

Punish has a higher ceiling to pull off

its like seraphim

if you cock it up you're at a loss

[ionic fern]

You still press SS on CD so it doesn't really change anything.

[teal swift]

One of my biggest issues I'm trying to fix

Isni hit the wrong buttons

[ionic fern]

No one would be like "Wait, let me chill for 2 seconds so i get full effect from Punish"

[teal swift]

Sometimes I tclap single target when I could've shield slammed.

I'm doing my best to Improve.

[ionic fern]

Unless i'm grossly misunderstanding you Panth.

[teal swift]

Or I'll revenge instead of thunderap

[gaunt dawn]

i mean the core issue is the whole talent row is bad

as well as the synergies between how warrior toolkit works

revenge and execute arent great rage dumps

but its all you have

[jagged pier]

but that has nothing to do with the talent row

[gaunt dawn]

so the end of the rotation flow isnt too hot

so lookign to the start of it

isnt helping

[rigid cedar]

Hi, is prot very squishy? Used to DH/guardian tanking, but yesterday got a little murdered in a +16

as prot war

[jagged pier]

no its fine if played correctly

[jagged pier]

so what u want is heroic strike?

[gaunt dawn]

heroic strike was good

but doesnt have a rotational hook tho

it was good for the time

[teal swift]

I kinda wish revenge cost 40 rage and did 2x more damage

[gaunt dawn]

which @steady karma might hate me for saying

🤐

[teal swift]

Or 30 rage and 1.5

Sometimes I struggle to rage dump fast enough with revenge alone

[jagged pier]

thats why theres IP

u should use that to dump as well

[gaunt dawn]

its not a very interesting rage dump tho

[teal swift]

Ip costs 2 revenges tho

[gaunt dawn]

the leech trait in bfa made it a little bit interesting

as there was incentive to have IP up

[jagged pier]

well what rage dump so u want? like any resource gainer spender class only has like 2 choices of what to spend it on

like what do u want

[teal swift]

Increase revenge cost

[gaunt dawn]

so i have dumb ideas on this topic

[teal swift]

By 1.5-2 times

[gaunt dawn]

i think execute should do more damage based on target hp %

[jagged pier]

but that has nothing to do with spending rage

it would still cost the same

[teal swift]

Make revenge like execute 20-40

[silk edge]

hey, i just swapped covenants and cant remember. The covenant specific conduits drops only from world boss ?

[teal swift]

Rage per cast

[gaunt dawn]

at 200 ilvl from old world bosses, higher than that you have to upgrade with conduit upgrade tokens from korthia/torghast

213/226 from Sire Denathrius Heroic/Mythic

[teal swift]

Can the weekly korthia quest droo it at 226?

[jagged pier]

rares and chest in korthia drop 226

[silk edge]

thx 😉 what a pain

[strong forum]

Henlo I heard panth hates devastator

[gaunt dawn]

I think revenge should leave a debuff making targets take more damage from subsequent revenges/slams

[teal swift]

@jagged pier thsnks for putting up with me bb. I keep trying to GTFO warrior. I can't. I love how prot warrior feel in keys

[gaunt dawn]

so you are wanting to greed more

[strong forum]

We should get a higher threshold for execute or the massacre talent

Imo

[jagged pier]

thats fien but it doesnt change the rotational flow like u said earlier the class would still play the same

u would still revenge to spend rage

maybe im just miss understanding what u want panth

[strong forum]

If you buff devastate to 50% reset chance you'd remove TC from the rotation outside of specific aoe situations and would then just spam devastate + SS, not even revenge outside of multitarget imo

[steady karma]

Depends on when you're talking about, plus I don't care about Prot

[gaunt dawn]

ye, but your choices after hitting revenge would shift

making it a rotational chocie based on context

[ionic fern]

Rude.

[jagged pier]

but u do that now

[teal swift]

What tank most plays like warrior

[jagged pier]

none

[teal swift]

Cause I've tried then all, and warrior feels the best

[steady karma]

Heroic Strike was fine (for Fury) in 5.4, the only problem was conflict with Wild Strike, but you could also argue that's where the engagement lies

I do agree that returning Heroic Strike now would not be a good idea, since it really doesn't have any place in the rotation aside from a simple resource dump or APM inflation, either of which can be accomplished in more direct ways

[teal swift]

Like it's disheartening, even my 236 Jotun bear

Doesn't feel as satisfying.

[steady karma]

Truth often cuts deepest

[strong forum]

It would be interesting to do smth about our ST, or get a little more depth

[teal swift]

Question for the boys

[strong forum]

But idk if devastate is da wey

[teal swift]

Is it better to spell reflect first or second reaper in top

I find when I reflect first, the CD is wonky. But I'm not actuslly sure if it's more DPS to reflect #1 or #2 then on CD after

[jagged pier]

look lets fix the base sb uptime first then we can fix the rest of the class @gaunt dawn

[gaunt dawn]

SB uptime is what

40%?

[strong forum]

Raw, ye

[jagged pier]

50% base where it should be 80%

we shouldnt need reprisal to fix that

[gaunt dawn]

should be between 30-40%

imo

block mitigation is huge

[ionic fern]

In raids, ok.
In m+ with our current toolkit/CD's? No.

[gaunt dawn]

and you have bolster to increase that more

[ionic fern]

See, that's a whole other topic. Block enchancing talents are horrible.

[teal swift]

Anyone?

[ionic fern]

They just force you to take them.

[gaunt dawn]

ye

i think DH has it in a good state

where spikes are a boon, not a must

but you weave that with your other tools

fel dev, meta, brand

[lofty widget]

i usually reflect 2nd and then on cd, i feel it lines up better, and you can have more or less full cds up for the first anyway

[teal swift]

That's what I'm thinking, but I just wanna reflect it for the dps

[gaunt dawn]

to have higher uptime on block

would mean the spec has to be weaker without

you cant have both

which turns it into a maintenance buff

(see: bone shield/shield of the righteous)

bfa made warriors too strong

[jagged pier]

no one is arguing with u there

but look at bear for instance base bear

massive hp pool

2 survival instincts

barkskin

the ability to heal itself

all the other utility

[lofty widget]

that would depend on your dps, how fast you can phase the boss etc

[jagged pier]

like warrior base with 40% SB SW and SL demo cant heal iteself

it cant compete

[gaunt dawn]

victory rush, ip?

[jagged pier]

IP doesnt heal

and disapears in like 2 melees

[gaunt dawn]

neither does frenzy

[jagged pier]

and victory rush u need to actually get the killing blow

[strong forum]

Pretty sure frenzy tops you

[gaunt dawn]

frenzy is 32% iirc

over the period

[strong forum]

The thing is, if you take away the legendaries, pwar is by far the least functional

Unless you count vdh

[gaunt dawn]

never count VDH

it was built with borrowed power

[jagged pier]

i dont count VDH

[strong forum]

You'd have to play like a vdh

Kite whenever sb isn't up

Cuz that's all you can do, the other stuff isn't strong enough

We can only compete because of absurd SB uptime

Or by having 700 Lego blocks to reduce SW CD

[teal swift]

I hope they make reprisal baseline. Minus the rage

4s shield block every charge / intervene

[jagged pier]

like lets be honest with rep SB is a maintenance buff like boneshield or SoTR

i dont see and issue turning it into one

u could make more intersting talents then

[gaunt dawn]

is it more interesting if it just becomes the talent?

[jagged pier]

it would be a mandatory talent

[gaunt dawn]

and mandatory either = unhealthy or baseline

[strong forum]

Baseline

[gaunt dawn]

in most cases i'd argue its unhealthy

[strong forum]

Remove block talents or give 3 different ones

[gaunt dawn]

as its covering a problem

[strong forum]

All of which fill a niche

But having 2 block talents and a dmg talent

Is just weird

[jagged pier]

well magic DR talent

[gaunt dawn]

nuke magic DR

[strong forum]

HR only works because of reprisal
Anger Management has nothing to do with block
Bolster is a neat idea

[gaunt dawn]

make magic equally punishing

[strong forum]

This

[jagged pier]

THIS

bolster is neat but not needed with reprisal at all

[teal swift]

Indomnfeels damn good

[jagged pier]

does it?

[teal swift]

Also, Vulpera warrior feels so good. Wish there was good shield mogs.

[jagged pier]

i literally dont notice it

[teal swift]

I feel good when I read details LOL

But warrior shits out damage there are pulls where I'm 10k+

[jagged pier]

thats cute

[teal swift]

15k+ as well

I havnt gotten to do giga pulls yet

[jagged pier]

thats cute

[teal swift]

Because fuckkknvg necrotic

Into boksterikng

[teal swift]

Fuck you, let me have my moment

[jagged pier]

no

[teal swift]

https://c.tenor.com/yg32qx65pcgAAAAM/pigeon-killpigeons.gif

Every fucking time

[jagged pier]

[teal swift]

Timed a 17 top, were moving into higher keys every day

Soon my goal of 20's will be done

[jagged pier]

[teal swift]

What I did: got better
Got better DPS team mates.
Kept the healer I simp for

[jagged pier]

she cute?

[teal swift]

Dtps went from like 7k to 4k in like 2 days

She's giga cute

[jagged pier]

can i steal?

[teal swift]

I'm already stealing

LOL

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/smooth-escalator-deal-with-it-mr-steal-yo-girl-shades-gif-4681907

[teal swift]

But yeah, she pumps

[jagged pier]

that you?

[teal swift]

https://c.tenor.com/wE4-fxPZGeIAAAAM/how-you-doing-hi.gif

More like this

[jagged pier]

XD

[teal swift]

But yeah, she's really strong as a healer, I spend like 12-16 hours with her

On Tuesday she called me to wake me up

So we could do torg together

[jagged pier]

🤔

[teal swift]

UwU she's also a vulpera main

She makes me wanna tank better.

She motivates me xD

[blazing condor]

[teal swift]

But yeah, I can see Improvement, and I'm more and more confident in keys. I took all the blame before. Keys require a team.

Not just a tank.

[jagged pier]

u should be motivating yourself

🤔

[teal swift]

Results are all that matter rn. I'm out here doing my best :)

[jagged pier]

nah but whatever gets the job done

[teal swift]

I'm hyperself critical

It's good to have motivation.

[mellow gorge]

Honestly, the highest so far i've done was a 16 HoA

that somehow was timed with 10 deaths

[teal swift]

I cried when I mispulled last week and broke a key

[mellow gorge]

It do be feeling like that

[teal swift]

HOA 16 is harder than like 18 top

[mellow gorge]

Was doing a 16 DoS, tight time, reached hakkar with 8 minutes

he pulls off a patented fuck you blood barrier at %1 with 4 sons

[teal swift]

HOA requires good team to not let you die

We killed 16dos hakkar in 45s

Was rediculous

[ionic plank]

shattering throw

[mellow gorge]

i wish shattering throw did something

[teal swift]

It does

[mellow gorge]

on tyra week it's just a tickle

[jagged pier]

its does

[ionic plank]

if you break the shield while it's growing

[teal swift]

It's like 18k damage

[ionic plank]

it stops

[mellow gorge]

while growing?

[teal swift]

Oh shit really?

[mellow gorge]

i thought it was instant

the shield

like scale

[ionic plank]

you can time it

to just insta break it

[mellow gorge]

hmmm

[teal swift]

What's the timing on dBm to hit it?

[mellow gorge]

but the downside though

it's a 3min cooldown

so only one bloodbarrier

can be popped

[ionic plank]

just the cast time of shattering throw

before the shield appears

[teal swift]

Our key comp rn is giga chad

Prot warrior, fury warrior, arms warrior, rshaman, fill

[mellow gorge]

if only there was a healer warrior

[teal swift]

We have lots of shatters LOL

[teal swift]

That's called a paladin

[mellow gorge]

ew

no i want a drill sergeant style healer

he shouts me and forces me to heal

[teal swift]

That's a mw monk

[mellow gorge]

damn

[teal swift]

But yeah seeing improvement is nice. My warrior is only 243.75

[mellow gorge]

speaking of MW, i haven't seen one in ages

[teal swift]

Wtb matrix

[mellow gorge]

my prot is only 236 D:

[teal swift]

Also not 220 shoulders

[mellow gorge]

honestly trying a key on bolstering after such a long time

is weird

did the first pull on necrotic wake, vanguard got 6 bolstering stacks

i proceeded to die

[teal swift]

Last season

Blizzard literally trolled us

Tyr, necrotic, bolstering, prideful

[mellow gorge]

How nice.

[teal swift]

Blizzard gave us the week off

[mellow gorge]

I saw that there was a necro fort sang week

Somewhere later on this season

[teal swift]

Next week is push week

Tyr, storming, sang,

[mellow gorge]

Oh

Thats very easy

[teal swift]

Like pull half the fucking instance

[mellow gorge]

Aslong as you dont spear the mobs in a pool

Should be fine

[teal swift]

LOP

Good point

[mellow gorge]

Though i wonder

In halls

Do the tiny manifestations still proc explosives

[teal swift]

Halls is one of my toughest keys

The trash fucking cripples me

[mellow gorge]

You see

[teal swift]

I really have to rely on everyone else.

[mellow gorge]

Being a dwarf

Means the bleed on gargon

Is a meme

Though that insta cast stone bite is a fucking cripple

[ionic plank]

do you mean in the room before last boss?

If so, yes

[teal swift]

Being alliance, are you a masochist?

[ionic plank]

The whole room gets covered in explosive

[teal swift]

People don't think about this..

Vulpera racial is a 40y ranged pull

It's so fucking handy

When tsunt and heroic throw are 30y

[mellow gorge]

Ew

Vulpera

[teal swift]

And throwing ravager for a 40y pull is dumb

Vulpera pretty decent.

[ionic plank]

What’s range on heroic throw? 🤔

[jagged pier]

8-30

[ionic plank]

I’ve never felt like I needed longer than that

[mellow gorge]

Tbf though

As much as i like horse

Horde*

Im too used to stoneform to let go

[teal swift]

HOA it let's you pull torment mob before 3rd boss

Without aggroing the room

[jagged pier]

mwahi did it so can u @mellow gorge

[mellow gorge]

What did mwahi change to

[teal swift]

30y is too close and aggros

[jagged pier]

horde

[mellow gorge]

Ye but what race

[ionic plank]

I always skip that one

[jagged pier]

orc

[teal swift]

But yeah, it's a really nice pull tool and nose for trouble is fancy. But real tslk

[mellow gorge]

Ew

[teal swift]

I'd be vulpera with 0 racials.

I love them so much UwU

[mellow gorge]

Honestly I might swap to dark iron

[ionic plank]

I'm goblin for life

[mellow gorge]

For that meaty strength buff

[teal swift]

Also look at this cutie

[mellow gorge]

We showint off transmogs ??

[teal swift]

Even had a degenerate bame

[ionic plank]

rocket jump bis kiting tool

[mellow gorge]

Aight

[jagged pier]

might go back to original jakey

[mellow gorge]

Gimme a sec

[teal swift]

Vulpera ears clip through everything so FlOWERS

[ionic plank]

vulpera ears are awful

ruin every head piece :/

even sunglasses

[mellow gorge]

gimme gimme a sec

[ionic plank]

look fucking stupid

[teal swift]

Except the small ones

[mellow gorge]

lemme log on

[teal swift]

Flower crown eorks

[ionic plank]

cos they go up over the ears

[mellow gorge]

so i can show my mog

[ionic plank]

like goggles

[teal swift]

And rsf hat works

[jagged pier]

no they dont

[mellow gorge]

D:

[ionic plank]

the way they go up over the ears

idk i just dont like it

[mellow gorge]

where do

the goggles sit

[ionic plank]

idk how else theyd work

[mellow gorge]

or glasses

[ionic plank]

but it just looks bad imo

[teal swift]

What set is that

I love it

[jagged pier]

its not a set

[ionic plank]

chest and belt are nathria

at least

[teal swift]

What's the glasses from

[jagged pier]

the vendor

in org

why has the armoury got rid of 1 of my shoulders

🤔

[teal swift]

I'm always trying to make cute mogs.

Let me try to see what I can find rn

[mellow gorge]

imagine not using the best weapon transmog

the mug

[teal swift]

dwarf/10

not dark iron

[mellow gorge]

nah

dark iron is cool and all

but eh

normal dwarf

o ye

i now remember

i went normal dwarf for the racial armor

[ionic plank]

goblin master race

[jagged pier]

ew

[mellow gorge]

is that even prot

[ionic plank]

not when I logged off

[mellow gorge]

D:

[autumn pendant]

I would say

I wont accept this even as fury

[mellow gorge]

It's not fury

It's mentally deranged

[ionic plank]

?

I dabble in prot

and fury

[mellow gorge]

but the tmog

the giant swords

are you sure aren't one of the old gods?

cause looking at you is driving me insane

but anywho that aside

the color pallet combination is nicee

[ionic plank]

u wot