if u want to send logs or a vod i can look at them
#protection
teal swift
And I don't want to wastr snyones time atm u til I sober up
teal swift
if u want to send logs or a vod i can look at them
I'll get a vod of the next keys I do on warrior
fathom dragon
I like my holy pala pocket healer, always nearby for a quick intervene
empty path
I usually running with monk helaer or resto dudu, but as has been spoken, it really doesn't matter what class healing you, always depends on players 🙂
blazing condor
Kyr shaman pumps rn
Mw monks are kinda neat
Palas are always disappointing cus the players are trash
Resto druid is a bit hit or miss too
empty path
pug druids are lottery...
sick sentinel
everybody here still at 78 reknown?
empty path
also I like priests, holy or even disci 🙂
sick sentinel
pretty sure 79 is max for this week, probably comes out saturday sunday
jagged pier
78 is max
empty path
78 renown is cap for this week
jagged pier
adamant vaults or teir 6 rep with the codex guy
sick sentinel
i got all my conduits 226, cept for pv
ah poop, need tower knowledge and gear for adamant
jagged pier
i mean 226 conduitd drop for korthia chests and rares
strong forum
I got most conduits 239
Except PV still lagging behind
And then I get the upgrade on the fucking VR conduit instead
strong forum
restive ice
jagged pier
mellow bridge
blazing condor
🧀
teal swift
I love you guys
somber sky
I love you guys
👉 ❤️
viscid prairie
Hey all. I see a lot that the consensus reprisal shield block uptime is 80-85% if you’re playing it optimally. Is that number measured by just looking at aura up time in details?
viscid prairie
Ok
Thanks
Wasn’t sure how to measure that. The best id ever seen looking at aura uptime was 70% even when I felt I was playing pretty optimal so
Good to clarify thanks
viscid prairie
That was an outlier, I mostly see 60-65% on aura uptime
strong forum
In my soa run with 57.85% SB uptime, I blocked 81.5% hits
But that's on logs
So on details the sb uptime will be higher
viscid prairie
Follow up question, I don’t log myself I just usually look at what other people provide
What do you guys use for that? And, does it tally up the blocked hits automatically or do you actually have to analyze?
Just warcraft logs?
jagged pier
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.
🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8
mellow bridge
^ might seem like a lot at first glance, but it really isnt
and to see blocked hits, you just go on damage taken, on your character and then hover over "Melee" with your mouse
teal swift
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that ...
Can u pin
jagged pier
no
jagged pier
☝️
ionic fern
ionic fern
😂
I'm too busy watching a video of someone saying prot warr is bad in m+ and BDK is godlike.
jagged pier
I'm too busy watching a video of someone saying prot warr is bad in m+ and BDK i...
u forget we can pin now 👀
jagged pier
I'm too busy watching a video of someone saying prot warr is bad in m+ and BDK i...
also link vid i want to watch
teal swift
Isn't BDK only godlike in Korea / china
Where they are obsessed with it?
And like work I possibly hard to make the tank decent?
jagged pier
Could be giga helpful
its only helpful for ppl that actually want to read logs/ log themselves thats not general enough for pins as a lot of ppl do not look at them or do them
teal swift
I just wanna improve regulsrly
Maybe Im wrong
But bdk has threat issues, doesn't do enough damage, and dies easier than most tanks, and requires giga effort to play at the topend. @ionic fern
dusky canopy
I mean if a person is here asking questions they must want to improve, And logging yourself / understanding your logs is basically a necessity to improve
jagged pier
☝️
sick sentinel
would you reccomend having a 2nd/3rd dps whos job it is to pick up the shield pick up in NW and save it for bad trash/boss casts?
ionic fern
But bdk has threat issues, doesn't do enough damage, and dies easier than most t...
Jeah, i was being ironic. There are a lot of youtubers looking for views and putting up videos comparing tanks etc while having almost 0 understanding on the class/role.
jagged pier
THATS NOT HOW U PLAY BDK
mellow bridge
ivory coral
im being made to tank a +25 key tonight please prayge for me
sick sentinel
why spend sanity points for that
ivory coral
i dont even know
sick sentinel
rep is 262, but i got gold to afford another upgrade and bit of soul ash, no cinder really
mellow gorge
Isn't there a covenant that buffs pot uptime? or am i mistaken
distant crystal
yeah specs who play venthyr mostly don't run that soulbind/trait
cause it's on the same row as tea time 😋
viscid prairie
Had to step away for work but I appreciate the thorough responses to my earlier questions 👍👍
torn cradle
Hey guys I played Arms warrior for 6yrs now and Im thinking about switching to prot and my question for you is what stats should I go for and what keys I can start doing now until I get my gear and leggo. Thanks :DDD
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>vers>whatever
key level depends on group, experience, personal play and affixes
torn cradle
I dont have a group rn I just pug everything
sweet summit
i'd just start on a 10 or something, seeing as you don't have a legendary or major experience
then after that just see how it feels and push higher as you get more comfortable
mellow bridge
just make a legendary
even r1 is worth it
one torghast clear would be enough for it
strong forum
reprisal
lilac sorrel
even for raid?
strong forum
yes
its just like lemillion, if you know how to use it properly, its really strong
jagged pier
why do ppl always ask that
torn cradle
just make a legendary
i have 262 legs already but I need soul ash and cinders for that
strong forum
a 190 reprisal is better than a ilvl 300 piece
lilac sorrel
but not much to charge into
strong forum
there is
mellow bridge
You can charge all the time in raid
mellow bridge
Taunt swaps
mellow bridge
lilac sorrel
lol
strong forum
loads of times where you can make good use of reprisal, but as i said, you gotta put in effort
if you wanna put in no effort, play the wall or natures fury
jagged pier
or EM
jagged pier
u just press buttons
mellow bridge
I can't seem to do it
mellow bridge
But
strong forum
press buttons better
strong forum
you do
chilly brook
Why can't you
strong forum
lol?
jagged pier
you do
chilly brook
Spear hits him
mellow bridge
And it misses every time?
chilly brook
If it doesnt
strong forum
it hits.
chilly brook
You got problems
strong forum
the line just doesnt appear
mellow bridge
strong forum
but it does damage
otherwise venthyr and necro would be the only covenants that could parse on it
chilly brook
mellow bridge
My combat text is kinda weird on the eye
chilly brook
mellow bridge
I already have some 
strong forum
yo das me
jagged pier
no das me
mellow bridge
Lookin cute griff
strong forum
nice hairdo
strong forum
chilly brook
I dont think I'm actually balding
strong forum
right in the feels
mellow bridge
OK but for real how do I big damage on painsmith
chilly brook
At least not that I've noticed
mellow bridge
I feel like starting P2 im perma stuck away from the boss
chilly brook
Use big dam on adds
mellow bridge
Thanks to the spikes
strong forum
have the other tank do all weapons
chilly brook
And cleave the ball
strong forum
or, most weapons
chilly brook
Painsmith honestly isn't a do damage boss unfortunately
mellow bridge
I just did him for the first time this week (skipped him and did the ones after first lol)
chilly brook
Isn't KT all gas no brakes now?
chilly brook
KT is too much add pad
That's what I like to hear
strong forum
na pad fights are boring
jagged pier
i might find out tonight
chilly brook
i might find out tonight
Same
strong forum
cleave and pure ST fights are the best
mellow bridge
Spikes do like no damage anymore
chilly brook
Depending on if we kill Fatescribe or not tonight
mellow bridge
But the dot once he puts up those ice aoes on the ground hurt
So you have to push fast
mellow bridge
Ah ye
mellow bridge
Yy
So now instead of afk, wait for spikes to explode and wait for CDs
You just push hard and only use a couple CDs every time for the spikes
chilly brook
I kinda wanna fuck around on fury for the rest of the tier instead of arms
strong forum
I kinda wanna fuck around on fury for the rest of the tier instead of arms
mellow bridge
Nome down bad
strong forum
violet violet
Trinket suggestions to pair with shard this week for keys? Phial, ows, idk what other options there are. I don’t have the guardian trinket😭
teal swift
Jeah, i was being ironic. There are a lot of youtubers looking for views and put...
We need the idiot proof tier list. Which tanks are the easiest to play out of the box in various environments.
teal swift
Yuzu's tier list based on ease of play.
S: guardian
A: DH, Brew
D: warrior
E: paladin
F: BDK
Poggy ezpz
Warrior gets the D
mighty valley
literally everyone should just pick the one that looks and feels cool to them and get good at it
well, world first raiders get a pass
teal swift
you literally press everything off cd
I found in raid, if I messed up active mitigation you could get globaled
My cotank on mythic huntsman
urban portal
but the thing with pally is that active mitigation on pally is a part of your damage
you should have your shield block up perma
on warrior you have to think about it
pally doesnt have to chooese between damage and block
urban portal
reprisal requires brainpower
teal swift
More importantly, let's focus on how awful BDK has felt since launch
wild hemlock
i just got one to 220 and they straight up feel like dog shit to play
like actual dog shit
teal swift
Remmeber all the hotfixed?
modern brook
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/895368625089818664/unk...
In what world is rogue sort of like warrior
teal swift
Like +50% threat, then +20% all damage
And it's still fucking awful
Damage profile that feels like your bdk just got prostate cancer
wild hemlock
rolling into a pack without resources literally feels terrible
do i want to do damage, die, or survive
pick one of the three
teal swift
It feels the worst on bdk, but that feels bad on all tanks but warrior
Because reprisal fixes it
teal swift
I have them all
Bdk at launch was unplayable
Like I'm glad they made adjustments
But it still feels shit
Tho if you give it a 2nd lego
Complete game changer
Super strain + brynwtf = damn near unkillable and infinite dearhstrike
teal swift
Its just damage + RP in the skin of "cool"
And the Bryn Lego is just rp
If you combine then you'll be RP rich af. I'm sure bdk is fine. People are insisting tank balance is super close.
urban portal
i thought you ran the dancing sword one
teal swift
Tank balance is pretty decent. But like why does bdk feel so unplayable
wild hemlock
wait what lego is bryn lol
teal swift
Rp refund on ds
wild hemlock
ahhhh
grave crane
I think warrior is one of the more fun tanks to play second being brewmaster. DH and bear are boring af
Also cotank in raid is a BDK lol he seems to enjoy it I think it’s his main
grave crane
It seems like it would be a decently fun one but grinding ash and leveling another alt sound terrible
wild hemlock
i have an necro ele shaman. cant wait to switch my berw to necro and blast with him
teal swift
I think warrior is one of the more fun tanks to play second being brewmaster. DH...
Bears pretty fun in raid
grave crane
Idk man I tried it and I have a feral I pvp on so when they need a tank for alt runs I go tank it for them on him and I find it just boring. What you like about it?
modern brook
Idk man I tried it and I have a feral I pvp on so when they need a tank for alt ...
in raid you get windows where you dont have to play bear anymore
so its pretty pog
teal swift
@ionic fern where does Vulpera racial dit into prot rotation?
grave crane
in raid you get windows where you dont have to play bear anymore
Oh yeah I went resto affinity and parsed a 100 on a couple fights for healing lol I forgot about that. It was kinda poggers as they say
modern brook
<@238357283996696576> where does Vulpera racial dit into prot rotation?
Bag of tricks?
sweet summit
when you can't press anything else
modern brook
^
cedar spear
Or when you want to pull from 40 instead of 30 yards
sick sentinel
that shits 40 y?
sweet summit
yeah
sick sentinel
thats pretty bullshit imo, but whatevr
teal swift
thats pretty bullshit imo, but whatevr
Vulpera have strong arms. We use them for many degen purposes
modern brook
Y is there trash behind u
ionic plank
not tanked anything this tier, about to tank a 21 halls, any big prot tips?
distant crystal
if someone kicks curse, kick them
ionic plank
ohhh good point
sweet summit
jokes aside
distant crystal
and kick all the bolts
sweet summit
kick bolts
distant crystal
and run away
sweet summit
abuse spell reflect
ionic plank
okok that's a good tip
sweet summit
dog bleed fucks
ionic plank
yep
ionic plank
also how big would 236 to 246 shield be? I dont think I have any upgrades for fury so can spend valor
distant crystal
big
sweet summit
big
distant crystal
shield upgrade is best upgrade
sweet summit
you can math it
ionic plank
ok I'll do that now
rest of my gear is already 246/252
so it's the only upgrade, just wondered if it was worth
sweet summit
no 😠
modern brook
dog bleed fucks
This sounds like a death metal band song
sweet summit
ionic plank
is the auto phial troll to take on necrotic?
yeah, right?
or do i go kleia for the immunity
sweet summit
i'd go mikanikos but not auto phial
ionic plank
and quad endurance*
sweet summit
modern brook
Isn't the goggles like a free 3%dps boost?
sweet summit
🤏
modern brook
U say that but it's worth like double any of our other potencies
sweet summit
true
distant crystal
but that just says more about yer potencies
sweet summit
the shield thing is kinda cracked tho
distant crystal
basura
blazing condor
Fuck autophial
Also the fall damage one can be kind of useful if you want
A bunch of spots in dos u can use it for
sweet summit
dusky mica
What's the falloff on dragon roar? Half damage to secondary targets upto 5?
Seems like it from looking at my log. They should un-nerf it back to beta power or add the stun back to it.
ocean yoke
dragon roar was fun af in the prepatch before the dropoff got added in
sweet summit
easy 😎
ionic plank
was very scary but holy priest with 1 min gs
is
very nice for when i dont have cds
mellow bridge
Dot ramps up over the duration
You can always have SR for the last few ticks
And then just rotate your stuff, starting with demo shout generally
ancient reef
anyone alt a healer
mighty valley
pretty casually, haven't really done high keys on it
ancient reef
leveled a monk to play mw and its not that fun
mighty valley
mw is really weird, it's all in the details
ancient reef
i got a resto and a disc, was hoping mw would be good so i could do brm/mw
i keep lookin at my 55 pally
like do i
mighty valley
paladins just get to cheat and never have to actually see a cast bar
ancient reef
shits all instant
so easy to heal/dps
cat weaving as resto is hard for my brain to figure out
mighty valley
yeah, you gotta know everything pretty good to know the times
that you can get away with it
mighty valley
dunno what healer has the fewest buttons... but druid gotta have most
although some are hidden in other form bars
manic grail
How does everyone deal with necrotic as prot warrior?
median tulip
How does everyone deal with necrotic as prot warrior?
Be Kyrian, kite some, and decent route planning
manic grail
yeah iu figured kyrian would be a big part of it hahahja
im guessing running the decreased heroic leap talent is a blessing also?
grave crane
Thunder clap and leap away or if your party has some slow/aoe stuns. Also ring of peace comes in handy
manic grail
yea i think majority of the time i forget its necrotic and use leap for mobility and not kiting
so ig et to around 50 stacks and go ok lets heroic leap out and its still on cd haha
grave crane
That’s understandable I’m still learning tanking keys, but doing it with guildies helps since im in voice comma with them and can be like hey jump away so I can intervene to you
teal swift
@ionic fern how much haste is too much
im at 33% without fray :V
My stats feel kinda weird
cinder nova
17% crit?
You disappoint me, son.
Also the answer is I think 40% unbuffed. That's when DR sets in, 50% is when it's really untenable.
Neets more crit/vers for 📈 DPS
clever finch
Got my fourth mythic boss down tonight as tank, been 14 years since I've raid tanked lol. Appreciate the conversations in this channel, it's been very helpful
dusky mica
Which boss?
ocean yoke
thank fucking god m kt down now
clever finch
Nerzhul
ocean yoke
i was gonna cry if we had another night there
dusky mica
did you tank first or second?
clever finch
We had prog on soulrender but we lost our dks so we went to nerzhul
Second, I dont want to fight the venthyr paladin for threat, but I did do orbs when it was swapped around
Grats on KT
clever finch
Yeah it was pretty neat
dusky mica
tanking second is usually chill mode unless your group does way too much damage then it flips around and weird shit happens
clever finch
Yeah that happened a few times
ocean yoke
yeah i had it first for my team and it got swapped pretty often from when we pushed
clever finch
We got one beam with no orbs up, so I had to do orbs for that pull
We was pretty consistent with the boss all night
dusky mica
most wipes occur when dispel is delayed for too long
clever finch
Yeah what I had us do was lust before 30% to skip a dispel
That really smoothed out that transition for us
ocean yoke
definitely good to skip one of those going into the burn
urban portal
I don't think most of us here is 2800 bro
In fact you are top 20 prot warrior in the world
strong forum
2.8 is top 7
jagged pier
☝️
urban portal
yeah im assuming hes like 2700
pallid hollow
Get a group if you don't already have one
But considering such humble brag you weren't really expecting to get any reasonable advice
strong forum
The difference between 2700 and 2800 is 1 key level of all keys, sometimes 2
That's alot
Huge
pallid hollow
What's your character name?
tame jasper
i just hit 2.4 and still missing dos 20 😦
regal basin
I'm struggling in M+ with prot ngl
so much to think about compared to raid tanking
props to all of you who kill it
mental scarab
Thats why m+ is fun
raid is so boring
tame jasper
Thats why m+ is fun<:yep:703420923625078804> raid is so boring
yep
and you depend on 15more ppl -_-
jagged pier
okay go do mythic
👍
and try minmax damage thats where the fun is
but im never going to win the arguement, i prefer raiding to m+ i dunno doing the same dungeon for the 1000 time just isnt that interesting to me
and yes the arguement can be said for boss, but i end up with far less boss kills that i do dungeon runs
lime jetty
Does prot have a haste softcap at all?
jagged pier
39% unbuffed
uneven river
whats the consensus for gem sockets right now ? im sat at 16 % crit 30% haste 30 % mastery and 10% vers im thinking vers ?
jagged pier
haste
jagged pier
4 messages up
blazing condor
and try minmax damage thats where the fun is
that is where the fun is for sure
like
imagine playing just to stay alive / get the kill
jagged pier
a lot of ppl do that
blazing condor
cringe!
jagged pier
very
strong forum
I mind raiding
jagged pier
we know that
jagged pier
I dont think me and Nome have ever disagreed about this hes a m+ player im a raider 🤔
sure we both do both aspects but Nomes always prefered m+ and me raid
I'd like dungeons more if there were CMS so i could just do them and forget that would be great
teal swift
imagine playing just to stay alive / get the kill
I do it while learning
Then I wanna parse lol
blazing condor
teal swift
My parses are fucking garbage anyeays
Before I finished my blood set. Will see next time I do heroic wtt I parse
strong forum
The only way is up
teal swift
Wowanalyzer
blazing condor
o
blazing condor
i mean if you can compare it to other shit youve done it can still show improvement
even if its out of date
but yeah
go become a log-champ 
teal swift
I suck at hitting thunderclap
And I'm wasting rage.
I'm also overusing revenge, but me trying to parse zlOL
teal swift
It doesnt
I just know inspam that shit
And it's cheap as fuck and it's hard to spend rage
Most of the time I'm shield slamming and spamming revenge
teal swift
jagged pier
i can tell from that u arnet pressing your buttons
jagged pier
go to casts
and link that
you probaby are pressing the right buttons
just not enough
jagged pier
57
teal swift
Yeahhh depression
jagged pier
so u are missing around 20 casts a minute
teal swift
I should go play chess or something
jagged pier
u are also wasting a but load of rage
jagged pier
u arent spending your rage
strong forum
jagged pier
i wasted this much and press IP tiwce more than u
and your kill a 1 minute longer than mine
strong forum
I have 9 IP casts
teal swift
:oof:
strong forum
Only wasted 53 rage
teal swift
Without using sb, and IP
strong forum
But 14cpm on revenge
teal swift
What's max casts per minute???
jagged pier
75-78 probs
teal swift
Because, I'm filling my gcds
jagged pier
some are lower depending on fight
strong forum
But there's concrete evidence
teal swift
How long is gcd
jagged pier
Because, I'm filling my gcds
well u obvs arent
strong forum
The fact that you have close to 20cpm less than me and jakey, isn't due to haste or other factors besides you not pressing buttons enough
Even when you think you are
gaunt dawn
theres a difference between spamming keys
jagged pier
like your SS and TC CPMs arent even that bad
gaunt dawn
and hitting stuff that's available
the action of hitting the key doesnt always equate to a global being used
u kno
teal swift
I believe you guys are being honest, just feels like a break in my reality. Maybe I'll record vod.
strong forum
Need to find it..
teal swift
I feel woefully inadequate. Will continue trying to improve.
jagged pier
Someone post my gif
?
jagged pier
That only shows ss cast lcik the other spell names
mellow bridge
well the very big gaps are probably the knocks no?
strong forum
With the buttons
strong forum
Record yourself playing normally
And look at your action bar when you check the video
I'm almost certain you'll see something interesting
teal swift
I wonder if I can make a weak aura
That flashes lights up when gcd is free and nothing is being cast
Because I feel like a massive retard. I mean I'm gonna start parsing purple a lot more now that I have full blood set
But still...
Parse feels good, doesn't mean shit when I'm playing like a monkey
strong forum
That's why I hated playing vers corruption in bfa s4
What's the point of playing, if I don't survive because I'm playing well, but because my gear/spec is massively overpowered
And let's me play the game with my eyes closed
teal swift
Like, I wanna Improve. My favourite aspect of the game is leading and decision making. It's why I love leading keys
Did a bunch on warrior today, was a blast
But being told I ain't hitting my buttons. And ik like wtf yeeee I am, but the numbers say differently
strong forum
polar radish
What is wow but pressing buttons
teal swift
Oh well, I'll see how I do next week
At the end of the day, I play like a 6/10m ksm player.
Which is a pathetically low bar.
Need to step up (and actually get said 6/10m kills)
Thanks for help, we'll try again next week
My computer can't log. It's a decently high end machine. I just get bad frame lag when logging. I wonder if I can conscriot someone to log me at a training dummy or something
mellow bridge
how exactly do you try to log
teal swift
It causes insufferable frame lag
mellow bridge
teal swift
Idk I havbt tried since like jan
Enable advanced logging
Type command
Start fighting Get massive lag
lime urchin
Even potatos can log
I can confirm. My 2013 macbook logs my runs easily.
teal swift
Wow and logs were on SSD
mellow bridge
that sounds incredibly weird
but idk enough about it to know what the issue could be
teal swift
Yeah same, I'm not terrible with technology
It's probably some weird conflict of some sort
I'll beg this cute girl to log more
Because I hate being bad at something
teal swift
then just stop being bad
teal swift
@strong forum I was in a sanguine 15.
I did the first hallway pull, everything but the big fuck
Into the urn
I went fucking splat. No logs
How tf am I supposed to do this pull ...
jagged pier
animated wep[s
jagged pier
and its necro this week so u probs had a lot of stacks
u press SR or stun the cast
the hit with magic damage
teal swift
Ah
So I had like 50 stacks pretty quick, purged them, blew all CDs and fell over
I wasn't sure what happened, but insssumrd there was a mechanic I got hit by, but there was so much shit I didn't know what it was
Thanks.
jagged pier
probably stood in a trap and got hit by echo thrust as well
strong forum
Anime weapons do magic auto attacks, the skirmishers cast or w/e they're called have to get stunned
teal swift
These big pulls are intense, I've broken the first room in necrotic into 3 pulls. Idk how to get it to 2 pulls.
I pull a bunch of shitz then I pull tormented with the 3 pack, then I pull like 3 packs with boss.
A lot of it has been, try the pull a bunch and see what cooldowns I need, and where to stand and when to leap.
I think this is a fucking garbage week to practice these pulls. I hit 99 stacks of necrotic on the first pull in nw...
lofty widget
in some ways its the best week, cause if you can do them this week you can do them every other week too
teal swift
I'm not doing these pulls next week
LOL
I don't trust my team
To manage bolstering that well
jagged pier
then its time for them to learn
craggy pilot
any news of 9.1.5 release date?
uneven river
Lol
jagged pier
November or December
on the PTR legion TW is showing in nov i think
but that doesnt mean anything
so
soon TM
jagged pier
its not the week after next
we usually get at least a few weeks notice
usually more
sick sentinel
this week is best week if you have paladin or hunter/monk friends
just bounding out while they do their thing or have paladin bop u and u instantly click/macro it off and rev/TC
jagged pier
i mean not really if anything this week is your time to play properly, with proper play u can go to liek 45-50 stacks everytime, and in like 15s that pretty much the length of time a pack takes to die
should need anything extra
median tulip
Necrotic is a non-issue in ToP
sick sentinel
i let the paladins know about the bop thing but it spooked me a bit cuz they did it at what i felt was some odd times, like i didn't get the left side group 1st pull nw till like 3 gcds, and paladin bopped me when lasts of ghosts was up
had said, "i'll kp the first one" 8 divine protections and 4 bops, 1 loh. 1 bop from other paladin
that, and i may have been confusing the bop animation with the kpotion animation
teal swift
Necrotic is a non-issue in ToP
There are like 3 rough pulls
ionic plank
what's considered decent shield block uptime over a key this week?
new to tanking as a warrior
jagged pier
there isnt one only thing that matter is blocked hits in logs
jagged pier
in logs damage taken > hover over melee->hit column
sweet summit
damage taken -> melee -> mouseover hits
sweet summit
hell yeah
jagged pier
with rep and AM 80-85%+
ionic plank
well mine wasnt close to 100....
jagged pier
with rep and HR 100%
sick sentinel
mine is honkler noise every 2 seconds that i am A within melee range and B have 40 rage (presumably for SB)
ionic plank
that sounds horrible
ionic plank
I've just got a small bar under my wa with the duration
but I think I gotta make it clearer
sick sentinel
wa for ip is sonar every like 3 or 4 seconds if its not active
ionic plank
does that not drive you insane
sick sentinel
that's the point, make those noise stop, cuz if i don't got IP and SB up, welp
jagged pier
wa for ip is sonar every like 3 or 4 seconds if its not active
why a lot of time u dont even need IP
and if it is up is disappears so quickly
that actually sounds horrible
ionic plank
I only had 20% ip uptime in that key I did last night
jagged pier
uptime of IP means nothing
sick sentinel
i think its more so i don't spam hell out of ip
ionic plank
can you see ip wasted anywhere?
sick sentinel
and then dump rage into nothing
ionic plank
I can see 700k healing but how do I see when I wasted it
jagged pier
can you see ip wasted anywhere?
its not wasted anywhere but it really doesnt do anything at all
mellow gorge
ey lads, why are the top prots running heavy rep as a last row talent?
jagged pier
like it stops a few melees
ionic plank
oh, well yeah
mellow gorge
isn't SB uptime more than enough w reprisal?
ionic plank
I was just pressing it when I was rage c apping
jagged pier
then that fine
ionic plank
or maybe a couple of panic presses
jagged pier
isn't SB uptime more than enough w reprisal?
not for the max keys u want the extra 10 % blocked hits to get you too 100% also they do a lot of the shot calling so they then dont need to think about what they are doing as HR and rep gives 100% with no thought
mellow gorge
alright
teal swift
I'm making the wall soon, reprisal is a bit too much for me in rsid
I'm prolly getting 5-10% effective use from jt
I think wall will be better
teal swift
It's not
sick sentinel
past 15's a basic melee attack from a boss with no mitigation on tyranical can really really hurt
jagged pier
it is
teal swift
Keys reprisal is easy af
sick sentinel
i can't think of any examples off hand but like, gold boss in AD
teal swift
In rsid it's extra steps
sick sentinel
she does a buff to her DW weapons and it does extra damage just wreck you no time flat if you werent playing right
teal swift
In keys it's pretty much automatic
jagged pier
In rsid it's extra steps
i mean its not there are plenty of casts and move away mechanics where u literally just charge back anyway theres also adds which u also charge too u can also leap and charge move out and charge just before taunting and intervene while tanking
like u do all the time in keys
sick sentinel
unless rep gets nerfed, (which probably should) anything besides SR is just not good
wild hemlock
they need to make reprisal base lane or a talent to remove the bandaid from warriors
jagged pier
then it will just be a always pick talent
sick sentinel
dragon charge baseline plz
teal swift
i mean its not there are plenty of casts and move away mechanics where u literal...
I'm not hitting buttons
jagged pier
doesnt fix anything
jagged pier
well u should be doing that in keys
ivory coral
one legendary will always be the best, nerfing reprisal just makes something else bis 🤷
teal swift
Random raid fight
jagged pier
if u arent doing it in keys you arent get the full effect of rep
teal swift
Like that reprisal usage
sick sentinel
i looked and it was only 73.5% sb uptime in my 13
teal swift
if u arent doing it in keys you arent get the full effect of rep
You sir need to learn the ladder.
You can't fix everything all at once
jagged pier
i know that but just going oh the wall will be better is just wrong
teal swift
Primary issue: I'm down like 15-20cpm, I am seeing gaps
teal swift
i know that but just going oh the wall will be better is just wrong
In raid for me it'll immediately be better
jagged pier
even with not proper usage of rep its better than the wall on most fights
u only need block to fill very few gaps
teal swift
The wall should generstr more rage
jagged pier
as u dont tank 100% of the time in raid
jagged pier
The wall should generstr more rage
but u already waste so much rage
u should work on spending that instead of generating more
teal swift
Again lots of prblems.
Step 1: hit buttons more
pale gust
unless rep gets nerfed, (which probably should) anything besides SR is just not...
Why should?
teal swift
- Stop capping rage
sick sentinel
it instantly destroyed all other legendaries?
teal swift
- Maximize
jagged pier
yes so getting the wall isnt going to fix that if you gunna be generating more rage
your just going to overcapp more
strong forum
Reprisal is one of the most broken legendaries in wow, its insanely offensive and defensive.
teal swift
I need to cast more ignore pains, and more revenges
strong forum
It's used as a bandaid to fix pwar instead of fixing pwar baseline
sick sentinel
im 100% pikachu shocked if its not nerfed to hell by end of SL
teal swift
They don't usually nerf unpopular shit
strong forum
It won't cuz it only allows us to perform the way other tanks do at the highest level, it doesn't outdo them
teal swift
They'll nerf some bear shit in ,9.2 instead
So if I had to pick one issue to work on for the next 7 days, to help me in a variety of contrnt
What would it be?
I'm assuming getting CPM up is #1
And reducing rage waste is $#2
ivory coral
whats cpm
ionic plank
casts per minute
teal swift
It won't cuz it only allows us to perform the way other tanks do at the highest ...
What does prot warrior need, to be on equal footing with other tanks post legendary systems ?
ivory coral
prot warrior is fine defensively with reprisal, what is lacking is utility other classes have like hard cc and ring of peace etc
teal swift
What is gaf orsee
strong forum
We need to not be designed around having mitigation gaps, that then get those gaps filled by a legendary
jagged pier
tbf tho Nome if we didnt have mitigation gaps we would just be busted right now
with vanguard and blck up 100% of the time
strong forum
Just give us achievable 80-100% block uptime through solid play
ivory coral
i feel like most classes are balanced around some legendary power at this point, which sucks but i dont know how you get away from it without making legendaries largely inconsequential
jagged pier
wasnt build around it
teal swift
Just give us achievable 80-100% block uptime through solid play
I'd like to see tanks be fucking tanks again. Give them all better mitigation. The fact that so much if m+ is just running away is stupid.
sick sentinel
i still want that taunting flag thing back
jagged pier
only in 25s and higher
sick sentinel
taunt banner was the best there ever was and ever will be
teal swift
It feels like they design a tank then kick them in the testicles and kill active mitigation so it feels like a fucking cripple. Then they loosen all the bolts in the wheel chair and hand you borrowed power.
jagged pier
but thats the same and challenging shout
ivory coral
there are some tank buster mobs you need to kite like the dogs in hoa but that's not the normal case
jagged pier
ill be honest ive stopped kiting them
sick sentinel
ravager does good job of it, but i like the old one that does taunt, do appreciate the all taunt we got now back
jagged pier
just go crit in hoa and parry the bleed
ivory coral
depends on key level tbh, on a higher fort key im definitely not face tanking them for the whole pull
bright flax
Worst is we will see double lego in some shape or form in future. Either freely or less likely, cov lego + other. By the end they will tune the classes for next expansion around the peak power
mental scarab
Be a dwarf and laugh in racial
bright flax
Missing the usual point of what is dragging the class behind
ivory coral
Worst is we will see double lego in some shape or form in future. Either freely ...
i dont think thats a given tbh
bright flax
Not just warrior, this is kinda global
teal swift
Bear druid tho
bright flax
But im with nome here, rather be able to get 80% SB uptime with better play than having to use a lego to get there
teal swift
With double lego
bright flax
It just gives me barely any choice in hard content
teal swift
Loofa and thrash
sick sentinel
Be a dwarf and laugh in racial
i just do something like this for necro and whatever was last week
teal swift
I'd like to see warrior stronger baseline. With a lower skill floor. But also have some room to really make it shine through skill. But close the current gap.
While an unpopular idea.
ivory coral
you can give bear 5 leggos and i still wouldnt go back to playing that sleeper spec 😄
teal swift
I'd like to see it make pwar bit easier, but also be rewarded for skillful execution of the spec. I'm tired of this corruption Lego shit
Legion did it right. SL legendaries feel like poverty legion artifscts. And fuck azerite and corruption
sick sentinel
i would buff the hell out of bdk and maybe monk? dunno if they are good, and everything else stays the same
teal swift
Blood deathknights needs like 20% damage reduction baseline
And like 20% damage buff
Might be good then lol
teal swift
Brew is actually playavle in keys
ivory coral
every tank is
teal swift
And amazing in rsid, solid damage and survivsl
Bdk makes me want to take a cheese grater to my wrists in keys.
The damage and threat is so abysmally low
Viable yes?
ionic plank
is fuelled by violence better than condensed anima sphere
teal swift
But mostly just for masochists.
sick sentinel
shield slam 2400 base line dmg tho
teal swift
Like bdk hit like wet noodle, and feels like it's wearing paper
bright flax
Bdk is pretty cool. All tanks are pretty fun in their little niches imo
teal swift
I admire the topmost bdks
I'm sure bdk is fine in raid
But in keys, them some heroes who master them
How does one even like play in keys
ivory coral
well they punch the mobs
teal swift
Threat is bad, damage is bad, survival is bad
ivory coral
bdk survival is super good what do you mean
bright flax
My guild considered taking my 227 bdk for mythic soulrender yesterday just bc we lacked 2 dks
I would be ok taking it, would not do it with my pally or warr at same ilvl
mellow gorge
wait so without reprisal, how much SB uptime can you get roughly?
sick sentinel
bdk has the best magic mitigaton in the game far as i am aware
it is even part of their lore
teal swift
bdk has the best magic mitigaton in the game far as i am aware
Outside of spellwaedijg it does
ivory coral
@mellow gorge i'm around 88-89% most keys, you can get more if you really try but it usually doesnt matter since there's a lot of time you are not getting hit
oh wait without
nvm me
mellow gorge
since i'm still running the wall, and i'm fresh to this season, i'm only getting roughly 40% raw with sb
so i'm wondering if it increased or not
sick sentinel
no, i played with a BDK main all of bfa and they can really survive some shit
bright flax
wait so without reprisal, how much SB uptime can you get roughly?
Depends I guess, overall id say 70%
But at that point you might actually start kiting to avoid hits when its down, thus maximizing effective uptime
ionic plank
as I've just been told, you should look at blocked hits rather than shield block uptime
which you can see on logs
mellow gorge
true
sick sentinel
lots of runs we'd end and he'd not even die once
ionic plank
80-85% blocked hits with reprisal
100% with reprisal and HR
sick sentinel
chad death strike everything and AMS, control undead
mellow gorge
wait how do i check the blocked hits on logs? where does it sit
sick sentinel
i don't like way dk plays though
ivory coral
just hitting some dummies with itf+hr you can get very high uptime without reprisal but that probably doesnt translate well do keys 😄
ionic plank
damage taken > melee > hover over hits
bright flax
wait how do i check the blocked hits on logs? where does it sit
@jagged pier has an awesome video on that and more
But what @ionic plank just said is right
teal swift
Yuzu is intoxicated. I'm going to bed gnight.
Tomorrow: more orot warrior shit
ionic plank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8&ab_channel=Jakeyplops
oo thanks this is helpful
I'm stepping up to push keys as tank instead of dps
a lot to learn
jagged pier
theres also far more u can do with logs that just that
but thats what we SF look at first when ppl link logs
and u can see like all the issues in thoughs 3 things
bright flax
Just make sure you dont go into a 20 with fucking EM equipped and 15% crit. Felt so bad
jagged pier
i mean EM is fine for 20s
bright flax
Also, with a build for rep, not even BV
jagged pier
i dont do keys
sick sentinel
yeah have fun with your 30's keys
mellow bridge
jagged pier
we established this, this morning
sick sentinel
giant pas lol
bright flax
It is fine, would be cooler with more crit and BV
ionic plank
this might be a dumb question: when looking at CPM in a key is it only counting in combat time? or overall time?
ionic plank
I thought so
jagged pier
but when actively playing 75-77 is good
ionic plank
so big runs in dos or big shroud skips would be reducing cpm
jagged pier
in logs yes
ionic plank
ty
teal swift
I just wanna time all 20s and idk if the skill is there but we be trying
teal swift
Jakey, I'm doing me best :) I have nearly no ego to protect. I want results.
teal swift
So trying to esrnt hememem
ivory coral
Timing 20s is basically just keep SB up and hope your group aren't being monkeys
And you're fine
restive ice
ivory coral
Epsi 
restive ice
Papper
bright flax
Timing 20s is basically just keep SB up and hope your group aren't being monkeys
True but id start to carefully select the monkeys I want in
Except for HoA, fuck those casters, hate them deeply, I refuse to tank there on warr
Its probably a trauma at this point
teal swift
Nini
bright flax
Its also very smooth on pala, even as vent
ivory coral
i still have severe trauma from fort raging halls
bright flax
But jeez, I think it was before wicked bolt got nerfed. Would go in there. 2 bolts, 1 curse on someone and boom wipe
I also have a hard time dodging frontals there, that dungeon just shows the worst of me
restive ice
You can make it so that deadly thrust the frontal from the darkblades there has a very noticable cast animation on the nameplate on plater
Because most of the time you don t even see them going out it just hits you
or just use a personal and eat that shit
Mess around with plater a bit , can do some really advanced stuff with it
bright flax
Its on pipeline for next patch, like to redo UI between major patches